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Title: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: bolton on March 26, 2010, 01:22:52 PM
After album and this amazing tour,there are so small number of people who are talking and beging for Slash

Unless,people can see all talents and great human habits...
These guys finally have a chance like all other musicians,and they use it...New band is amazing,and full stadiums and fuckin loud crowd are the best argument for it!!!


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: GUNNER on March 26, 2010, 01:30:43 PM
That's because Slash's stuff it's not allowed at the shows.



Just joking  :rofl:

This band rules so much :peace:


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on March 26, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
Thats because we have a new bad ass mate on board and its call DJ Ashba.Ron and Richard are very good guitar players too! but this guy has the pressence of slash and i actually think is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than slash.I hope this line up dont stop of making records!.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: AC on March 26, 2010, 02:22:45 PM
It's because Dj Ashba is better than Slash (IMO). Slash WAS great, but as of late isn't really all that he's cracked up to be. Too bad really.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: bolton on March 26, 2010, 02:26:18 PM
For me Dj Ashaba is much much better than Slash, and i like him more


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: zombux on March 26, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
Ron.Bumblefoot.Thal.is.the.fucking.best :love:


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: One.In.A.Million on March 26, 2010, 02:51:19 PM
I honestly believe all of the guitar players in GN'R right now are better than Slash. Why would people be shouting his name when they are watching guitar players that are in a different league. I too never heard any chants like that in Toronto either, which did surprise me but made me happy as hell.

Also I want to add, I'm not trying to belittle Slash for the sake of it. This is my honest opinion, it is what it is.   :D


Lee


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: alimari on March 26, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
I don't know who's the best. And it doesn't really matter to me. But my point is:

axl+dizzy+tommy+chris+frank+ron+fortus+ashba = my dream band  :beer:


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Mandy. on March 26, 2010, 02:56:37 PM
Ron.Bumblefoot.Thal.is.the.fucking.best :love:

Where's Slash? :crying: :crying:


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: bolton on March 26, 2010, 03:03:19 PM
Ron.Bumblefoot.Thal.is.the.fucking.best :love:

Where's Slash? :crying: :crying:
Axl Rose:''In my ass''


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Tatiana on March 26, 2010, 03:06:25 PM
After 17 years, people started to understand that Axl and Slash can have different projects, and we can enjoy both of them.  :peace:


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: bigcash2002 on March 26, 2010, 03:12:18 PM
i assume the where is slash remarks are more frequent in the US tour dates

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Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: bolton on March 26, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
After 17 years, people started to understand that Axl and Slash can have different projects, and we can enjoy both of them.  :peace:
I don't enjoy in Slash projects


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Tatiana on March 26, 2010, 03:18:26 PM
i assume the where is slash remarks are more frequent in the US tour dates



It's true.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Tatiana on March 26, 2010, 03:21:08 PM
After 17 years, people started to understand that Axl and Slash can have different projects, and we can enjoy both of them.  :peace:
I don't enjoy in Slash projects

Ok. Don't kill me. Haha.

My favorite one is Axl, but I enjoy the other projects too (vr, loaded). It's just music.   


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: bolton on March 26, 2010, 03:26:14 PM
After 17 years, people started to understand that Axl and Slash can have different projects, and we can enjoy both of them.  :peace:
I don't enjoy in Slash projects

Ok. Don't kill me. Haha.

My favorite one is Axl, but I enjoy the other projects too (vr, loaded). It's just music.   
I'm joking,I like one movie with Slash role :D


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on March 26, 2010, 03:47:22 PM
who's slash?


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: zombux on March 26, 2010, 04:00:52 PM
who's slash?
I heard it's some cypress hill guitarist


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Lady Ashba on March 26, 2010, 04:14:33 PM
This tour is just so amazing and this band fits together so perfectly that is hard to remember who Slash is, at least that's how I feel. I was only 5 when AFD came out, I lived GnR trough my brothers and while that was the best, this is just so awesome, this is a new era now but still is GnR and it makes sense, it just does!

When I left the stadium on the concert here in Uruguay people were saying that it was their best nights of their lives, and is true that none of them, at least what I could hear said anything about Slash. I'm sooo looking forward for the current line up to get into a studio and I hope none of them will be leaving anytime soon, or never!!


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Mandy. on March 26, 2010, 04:29:06 PM
Ron.Bumblefoot.Thal.is.the.fucking.best :love:

Where's Slash? :crying: :crying:
Axl Rose:''In my ass''

Yeah, I guess I had that coming. :hihi:


But, to be serious for a moment, I think it's really nice that people hardly ever talk about Slash (in a reunion sense) anymore. Unlike 2002, or maybe even 2006, I guess, this finally feels like a band to them more than ever. They all seem to be having a great time, despite anything that can possibly get in the way - from tornadoes to pathetic journalists. And that feeling has also been transferred to the fans.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Nikki_Sixx on March 26, 2010, 04:31:09 PM
Why can't we like both line-ups ?


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Deadlogic on March 26, 2010, 05:44:37 PM
Those who are saying Ashba is "better" than Slash, better how exactly?

Technically?  Well, there have always been Guitarists out there who were technically better (and "faster" - argh I hate that measure of a player...) than Slash, and there still is - I'm sure, just as there were faster/more technical players than Berry/Page/Hendrix/Clapton/Harrison etc over the years, but these players tapped into something else entirely with their use of the Guitar, and how it made people feel

Songwriter-wise?  Hmm, well - I haven't heard anything yet from Ashba in his other projects/bands that stand up to, or would stand the test of time in the way some of Slash's work has/will.  Who knows what he might contribute for the next Guns album though, so I'm not writing him off just yet in that respect.

That leaves us with influence.  One of the greatest measures of any Guitarist, popular or otherwise is his influence on those who listen to them, and in that particular area, Slash "wins" hands down - and it's an area that I feel Ashba will never be considered in the same league.

Slash is an Icon, much in the same way as the Guitarists I mentioned earlier in the post - and while I think Ashba is a very, very good player, he is at this moment in time playing parts that have already been created for him (very well I might add) much in the same way as any other top session player could/would.  The real test will be when he has to create for himself.  He seems a very likeable guy too, and I have nothing at all against him, but he'll never "replace" the top hatted one in my affections.

Good luck to him though, and I do hope he becomes a permanent member of the band, because I think we'll all agree - to lose yet another Guitarist would be beyond comical.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Lady Ashba on March 26, 2010, 07:46:19 PM
I agree with you, loosing another guitar player would be a disgrace. So far he's doing a great job on stage, the time will come when he can prove himself writing music for a future album. But of course, I think we all know here Slash is an icon, no argument there.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on March 26, 2010, 09:16:38 PM
Why can't we like both line-ups ?

of course you can! and i do! different lineups diferent behaviours and differents shows.During 90s where more explosive but i think now they are more musicians! love both.


And btw when i first saw an Ashba pic i thought "came on.....an emo for gnr?" and look now the guy has the feeling of the old guns with a perfect touch of new.Just perfect


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on March 27, 2010, 09:12:05 AM
Why can't we like both line-ups ?

are you insane!?

Choose. Choose now.

;)


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Albert S Miller on March 27, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
Always going to appreciate Slash for all his efforts regarding GNR, and will add that I think he is one of the greats of our time.  I am not so much a fan of the choices/projects he is currently working on or have involved himself with post GNR.  I appreciate the fact that he is still putting stuff out there for his fans and has not laid down and died.  As a musician he is entitled to test his boundaries and talents in more ways than one, I think he has sort of stepped off of the beaten path that we all used to adore, and believe he is indeed a gentle soul at times, and other times a "lil devil" lol. 

Regarding DJ, I don't think a better person could have filled Slash's shoes if they tried.  He is the man for sure.  I am enjoying having him as the newest member of the band.  So far his talents seem endless, and he is so so nice as well, very fan orientated, another plus, and he to seems to be enjoying his new job to the fullest.  He just meshes so well.  Thank you DJ :beer:.




Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: alimari on March 27, 2010, 12:12:20 PM

Regarding DJ, I don't think a better person could have filled Slash's shoes if they tried. 


I agree with everything you said except this part.
I think DJ kicked Slash's shoes away and set to do his own stuff.  :)


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on March 27, 2010, 12:36:46 PM
I agree with everything alimari said ;)
Even though I'm not sure about the "sometimes so gentle" part.. But then again I don't know slash at all ;)


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Albert S Miller on March 27, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
I agree with everything alimari said ;)
Even though I'm not sure about the "sometimes so gentle" part.. But then again I don't know slash at all ;)
I am regarding his nature away from R&R. He is soft spoken, and kind of a shy guy, not that I expect everyone to relate to my own assumptions, it is just the way I see into him, yet he also has the ability to say and do things that sometimes seem to display the betterment of himself.  Just my own thoughts and don't expect everyone to see them as I do ;).


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on March 27, 2010, 03:41:22 PM
I think he just does whatever thinks is best for himself (not his music). And of course there's nothing wrong with making some money/being famous/being liked, but it shouldn't be your primary goal. And I think Slash's main goal are those 3 things. I really believe the whole Slash & friends stuff is just a show off.

And exactly this is one of the things I appreciate with Axl. I mean he had Brian fuckin' May cut out of chinese democracy because of the record itself..

And don't get me wrong, I'm not a slash hater. But I'm defnitely not a slash lover either. Not as a person (as far as I 'know' him) or his music (recent - his stuff with guns was great).


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: One.In.A.Million on March 27, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
If I think back there wasn't much of "where's Slash" in the shows I went to in 2006 as well as Toronto this year. the only place you may find the odd idiot who says them things is at festivals, where there are alot more casual fans. I think people have excepted for the most part that Slash and GN'R are two different entities as of today. But like anywhere you will get the odd idiot, just like these clothing sites where you find Slash merchandise in the GN'R section.  ::)


Lee


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on March 28, 2010, 05:57:51 AM
If I think back there wasn't much of "where's Slash" in the shows I went to in 2006 as well as Toronto this year. the only place you may find the odd idiot who says them things is at festivals, where there are alot more casual fans. I think people have excepted for the most part that Slash and GN'R are two different entities as of today. But like anywhere you will get the odd idiot, just like these clothing sites where you find Slash merchandise in the GN'R section.  ::)


Lee

Next to me there where 2 people who asked each other which guitar player slash was. I first kinda ignored them. I figured this must be how it feels like to tell your children santa doesn't exist ;) But after a while I told them anyway. They we're cool with it though, they "liked the guy with the hat just as much - and the other dude, who's trying to break his guitar.. he kicks ass" ;)

ps: that was in Toronto


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: alimari on March 28, 2010, 09:40:59 AM
I forgot to say that I love and respect Slash. The same with Izzy  :love: and Gilby.
But with BBF,4Tus n' Ashba, I can't think of anyone else for GN'R guitars.


Next to me there where 2 people who asked each other which guitar player slash was. I first kinda ignored them. I figured this must be how it feels like to tell your children santa doesn't exist ;)

Poor kids!!

But like anywhere you will get the odd idiot, just like these clothing sites where you find Slash merchandise in the GN'R section.  ::)

Lee

I think this is so disrespectful to him. Slash deserves to be recognized/known as himself. At least as part of band he actually is...


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Jim Bob on March 28, 2010, 10:38:56 AM
the lineup of guitarists is about as perfect as it can get.   

and besides, most of the slash douchebags have given up on GnR.  theres only a few still trolling the forums.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Bodhi on March 28, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
I think people have excepted for the most part that Slash and GN'R are two different entities as of today. But like anywhere you will get the odd idiot, just like these clothing sites where you find Slash merchandise in the GN'R section.  ::)


Lee

aside from people like us who are on the boards and follow every detail of the band, Slash will always be considered Guns N Roses guitar player. Always.  He is on their most popular albums, albums that people grew up on and defined a generation and albums that changed the face of the music industry.  You will always see Slash merchandise in the Guns N Roses section, because most "average rock fans"  associate one with the other especially the older ones.  Most fans dont waste time arguing about who is in the band and who isnt, they dont give a shit.  Thats what we do here on the boards, but that not the way the "real" world works.     I always find it amusing that some of you waste so much time and energy being concerned with what people think of Slash, or Slash vs the New guys...its ALL Guns N Roses.  The sooner you realize this the happier you will be.  The only thing that pisses me off on this board is when I hear people say Slash sucks or he is a shitty guitar player etc... complete fuckin nonsense.  Some of you feel the need to piss on GNR's legacy in order to show what a "fan" you are.  I am able to respect and love the past and STILL realize the greatness of the current band, imagine that. :o


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: WTTJ_91 on March 28, 2010, 10:45:27 PM
I think people have excepted for the most part that Slash and GN'R are two different entities as of today. But like anywhere you will get the odd idiot, just like these clothing sites where you find Slash merchandise in the GN'R section.  ::)


Lee

aside from people like us who are on the boards and follow every detail of the band, Slash will always be considered Guns N Roses guitar player. Always.  He is on their most popular albums, albums that people grew up on and defined a generation and albums that changed the face of the music industry.  You will always see Slash merchandise in the Guns N Roses section, because most "average rock fans"  associate one with the other especially the older ones.  Most fans dont waste time arguing about who is in the band and who isnt, they dont give a shit.  Thats what we do here on the boards, but that not the way the "real" world works.     I always find it amusing that some of you waste so much time and energy being concerned with what people think of Slash, or Slash vs the New guys...its ALL Guns N Roses.  The sooner you realize this the happier you will be.  The only thing that pisses me off on this board is when I hear people say Slash sucks or he is a shitty guitar player etc... complete fuckin nonsense.  Some of you feel the need to piss on GNR's legacy in order to show what a "fan" you are.  I am able to respect and love the past and STILL realize the greatness of the current band, imagine that. :o

 :o This is impossible! :beer: Guns is Guns and Guns kicks ass.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on March 29, 2010, 04:42:51 AM
How can people argue that DJ is better than Slash? 

Cos he can play some other people's solo's on a stage? 

Lets hear what he can actually create before saying he is better. 


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Jim Bob on March 29, 2010, 06:00:05 AM
How can people argue that DJ is better than Slash? 

Cos he can play some other people's solo's on a stage? 

Lets hear what he can actually create before saying he is better. 

I know which one I'd rather see at a Guns N' Roses show.   

Watching a live performance has nothing to do with creating anything.    The sooner you accept that some people will be of the opinion that they prefer others to your lil hero, will put you one step closer to accepting the reality that its no longer 1991.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on March 29, 2010, 06:31:54 AM
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Watching a live performance has nothing to do with creating anything.


maybe im in the minority these days. But i actually like seeing the people that created the music playing it live. 
And i judge musicians on what they bring to the band, not how they appear onstage.
hence ill wait  to see what DJ contributes to the next GNR album or the next DJ solo album before i judge his talent.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: WTTJ_91 on March 29, 2010, 07:50:12 AM
How can people argue that DJ is better than Slash? 

Cos he can play some other people's solo's on a stage? 

Lets hear what he can actually create before saying he is better. 

I know which one I'd rather see at a Guns N' Roses show.   

Watching a live performance has nothing to do with creating anything.    The sooner you accept that some people will be of the opinion that they prefer others to your lil hero, will put you one step closer to accepting the reality that its no longer 1991.

Obviously everyone would like to see the current members of the band on stage. The sheer fact that you refer to Slash as "lil hero" and assume people are stuck in the past is a pathetic rhetoric.

A ) Ashba personally has NEVER created anything on the level that AFD/UYI guitar work was. ( Yes I know now we get to hear the bullshit that is "well your lil hero $la$h didn't even want to play NR or Estranged blah blah blah ) point is we are dealing with a guitarist who crafted the entire Appetite album , and pieced together Estranged and November Rain solos....Ashba is a very generic rock guitarist with some shred aspects...nothing amazing.

B ) DJ is a dime-a-dozen, no offense to him. But he is the weakest link as far as guitarist in the band go ( to be fair he's up a MASSIVE amount of talent ), I'm not saying he's the worst thing to walk the earth but that's the truth.

Just because someone is in the band does not mean I must somehow automatically think they are better than "X" former member. Drumming wise they have totally improved. I don't know why you can't understand the fact that some people prefer Slash to Ashba, doesn't mean we are stuck in the past or he is some sort of quasi-lil hero bullshit that you speak. I'm sorry but Ashba is childs play compared to Slash.



Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Bodhi on March 29, 2010, 04:14:09 PM

I know which one I'd rather see at a Guns N' Roses show.   

Watching a live performance has nothing to do with creating anything.    The sooner you accept that some people will be of the opinion that they prefer others to your lil hero, will put you one step closer to accepting the reality that its no longer 1991.

A guy can be up there completely butchering the song and you would still love it as long as it was not Slash, we all know this, we get it!  "Fans" like you are the only thing I hate about being a Guns N Roses fan.  You have turned GNR into a soap opera, like Team Angelina Vs. Team Jen...its ridiculous.  ALL Guns kicks ass.  Period.

You telling JacDaniel to accept other peoples opinions is hilarious.  You should make a deal, when you accept the fact that 95% of fans who are NOT on a GNR message board think Slash is always going to be the best guitarist for GNR, then JacDaniel should accept that there is a small minority of  GNR fans who think Slash sucks, and by small minority I mean you and like 3 or 4 other people on this board.  I'm not a reunion guy, I think GNR is fine the way it is, but the whole ripping on the past thing, never made sense to me.




But if we are going to bitch and moan and critique guitar players, DJ Ashba blows that guy from NIN off the stage.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on March 30, 2010, 11:24:22 AM
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You telling JacDaniel to accept other peoples opinions is hilarious.  You should make a deal, when you accept the fact that 95% of fans who are NOT on a GNR message board think Slash is always going to be the best guitarist for GNR, then JacDaniel should accept that there is a small minority of  GNR fans who think Slash sucks, and by small minority I mean you and like 3 or 4 other people on this board.  I'm not a reunion guy, I think GNR is fine the way it is, but the whole ripping on the past thing, never made sense to me.


hehe.  it just doesn't make sense to me how some people can prefer DJ over Slash.  Is it based on seeing DJ perform at a few live shows?
Most people hardly knew anything about DJ when he joined, and after a few live shows, he is better than Slash?
I can understand people preferring Robin and Buckethead to some extent cos they at least played on a GNR album as well as some touring, even if its not my opinion. 

Its like saying that Gilby Clarke is better than Izzy cos Gilby played most shows on the UYI tour, even though we all know Izzy was far more important in GNR history than Gilby.

Im not bashing DJ either, he seems like a talented player.  But, please PM me or update this thread when he largely contributes to a couple of classic albums. 



Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Jim Bob on March 31, 2010, 06:19:08 AM

I know which one I'd rather see at a Guns N' Roses show.   

Watching a live performance has nothing to do with creating anything.    The sooner you accept that some people will be of the opinion that they prefer others to your lil hero, will put you one step closer to accepting the reality that its no longer 1991.

A guy can be up there completely butchering the song and you would still love it as long as it was not Slash, we all know this, we get it!  "Fans" like you are the only thing I hate about being a Guns N Roses fan.  You have turned GNR into a soap opera, like Team Angelina Vs. Team Jen...its ridiculous.  ALL Guns kicks ass.  Period.

You telling JacDaniel to accept other peoples opinions is hilarious.  You should make a deal, when you accept the fact that 95% of fans who are NOT on a GNR message board think Slash is always going to be the best guitarist for GNR, then JacDaniel should accept that there is a small minority of  GNR fans who think Slash sucks, and by small minority I mean you and like 3 or 4 other people on this board.  I'm not a reunion guy, I think GNR is fine the way it is, but the whole ripping on the past thing, never made sense to me.




But if we are going to bitch and moan and critique guitar players, DJ Ashba blows that guy from NIN off the stage.

i do accept that some people like that guy over DJ.   

i made the comment i made because he said he can't understand anyone prefering DJ to his lil hero.   I can understand people having their own opinions, he has his, you have yours, i have mine.   

hate me all you want, I'm jus not interested in that guy.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: WTTJ_91 on March 31, 2010, 08:57:48 AM

I know which one I'd rather see at a Guns N' Roses show.   

Watching a live performance has nothing to do with creating anything.    The sooner you accept that some people will be of the opinion that they prefer others to your lil hero, will put you one step closer to accepting the reality that its no longer 1991.

A guy can be up there completely butchering the song and you would still love it as long as it was not Slash, we all know this, we get it!  "Fans" like you are the only thing I hate about being a Guns N Roses fan.  You have turned GNR into a soap opera, like Team Angelina Vs. Team Jen...its ridiculous.  ALL Guns kicks ass.  Period.

You telling JacDaniel to accept other peoples opinions is hilarious.  You should make a deal, when you accept the fact that 95% of fans who are NOT on a GNR message board think Slash is always going to be the best guitarist for GNR, then JacDaniel should accept that there is a small minority of  GNR fans who think Slash sucks, and by small minority I mean you and like 3 or 4 other people on this board.  I'm not a reunion guy, I think GNR is fine the way it is, but the whole ripping on the past thing, never made sense to me.




But if we are going to bitch and moan and critique guitar players, DJ Ashba blows that guy from NIN off the stage.

i do accept that some people like that guy over DJ.   

i made the comment i made because he said he can't understand anyone prefering DJ to his lil hero.   I can understand people having their own opinions, he has his, you have yours, i have mine.   

hate me all you want, I'm jus not interested in that guy.

I understand people enjoying Ashba over Slash but it really makes no sense....No one knew him when he was in BC , and their music was cheap rock n roll , no amazing guitar work/solos at all. Dime a dozen IMO. I guess being a Guitarist also makes me uber-critical of every guitarist in any band. Bumble < All lmao , it's the truth he's like Buckethead with out the fucked up weird shit.

It's perfectly understandable not to be interested in "that guy" but you the fact that you refer to him as "that guy" or "lil hero" is a little absurd, it's not like you have any personal relationship with Guns or any of their current/ex members...


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on March 31, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
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I understand people enjoying Ashba over Slash but it really makes no sense....No one knew him when he was in BC , and their music was cheap rock n roll , no amazing guitar work/solos at all.



i agree with this.  its not that i mind people liking DJ over Slash.   But it just seems like some people formed that opinion based on DJ playing a couple of live shows.  If thats the case, im sure any session musician could join GNR on tour and be better than Slash. (in some peoples minds).

Slash hugely contributed to GNRs success and to half the songs in the current set. (if not more).  He can play/create cool riffs, solos and songs and is always interesting to watch on stage.

Credit to DJ, he looks cool onstage and can definitly play the songs.  But he has a lot to prove IMHO before been mentioned in the same breath as that other guy.

If people prefer DJ, please let me know why and ill gladily your decision.  (as long as its not ridiculous)


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: One.In.A.Million on March 31, 2010, 01:23:10 PM
I think in the end it just comes down to personal taste.  :o

Do I prefer Robin over Slash?, for my own reasons, yes I do. I have nothing against Slash, he made some of the best music I have ever heard. I'm not a fan of Slash post GN'R, but thats my personal choice and I can obviously respect those who are.


Lee


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Ashba Rocks on March 31, 2010, 02:25:08 PM
I dont see how anyone can compare DJ and Slash, just look at the facts.

its obviously comes down to personal taste.

And as for the DJ hasnt done anything, yeah i havnt heard anything apart from "the heroin diaries" soundtrack he did with nikki sixx, and i thought that fuckin rocked, i think there is alot of potential for him to make a mark with GNR if he does original music with them down the line. and DJ totally has the image!

DJ, for me pisses over any replacement guitar player as far as "fitting GNR"


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Jim Bob on March 31, 2010, 08:10:53 PM
its all about personal taste. 

Robin Finck is my favorite guitarist ever.   Just my taste.   

I prefer the guys in the band now..


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Genesis on April 01, 2010, 01:23:27 AM
Well, we'll all just have to agree to disagree, since everyone has their own preferences.

For me, this is the best GN'R configuration since the original line-up. DJ fits in perfectly with the new band / GN'R's RN'R image and I can't wait to hear his and Ron contributions to the next album.

I feel Buckethead is better than both. However, his style and persona are probably not well suited to GN'R. A lot of GN'R fans think he's just plain weird. I hope he does some 'guest' contributions to the next album, although that's very unlikely.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Ashba Rocks on April 03, 2010, 12:10:02 PM
Well, we'll all just have to agree to disagree, since everyone has their own preferences.

For me, this is the best GN'R configuration since the original line-up. DJ fits in perfectly with the new band / GN'R's RN'R image and I can't wait to hear his and Ron contributions to the next album.

I feel Buckethead is better than both. However, his style and persona are probably not well suited to GN'R. A lot of GN'R fans think he's just plain weird. I hope he does some 'guest' contributions to the next album, although that's very unlikely.

If this was FB i would click 'like'

BH is an incredible guitarist and i loved his little shreds he didn, like in rio in WTTJ he did, but i dunno, just doesnt fit FOR ME personally.

Its like this, say, axl is the one who left GNR.... and i dunno, kid rock replaced him, i think kid is awsome, alotta people dont like him, but i think he is great, but not fit to replace axl


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: estebanf on April 03, 2010, 01:24:18 PM
nobody asks ''where is Slash'' since the 2006 version of Robin Finck. And Slash did everything he could with his solo career (forgettable albums, terrible guest appearences, pathetic performances like the last one at the Grammys, etc) to make that question forgotten / senseless.

If you ever seen GNR live in 2006-2007-2009-2010, you just CANT ask for Slash. The display of power and talent of the 3 current GNR guitarists is just enormous.



Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Ashba Rocks on April 04, 2010, 08:23:21 AM
nobody asks ''where is Slash'' since the 2006 version of Robin Finck. And Slash did everything he could with his solo career (forgettable albums, terrible guest appearences, pathetic performances like the last one at the Grammys, etc) to make that question forgotten / senseless.

If you ever seen GNR live in 2006-2007-2009-2010, you just CANT ask for Slash. The display of power and talent of the 3 current GNR guitarists is just enormous.



You CAN ask for slash, as much as i love DJ, every day of the week i would choose izzy and slash over the 3 in GNR now.

again, it comes down to personal taste


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Reckless Rose on April 05, 2010, 06:49:25 AM
For me Dj Ashaba is much much better than Slash, and i like him more

Really? You no fan of the old Guns music then?
 
DJ's presence is awesome. However, none of the Guns material they're playing was written by him, so no matter how good he can play all the songs, the question who is better becomes irrelevant (as long as his performance is up to normal standards). Unless, of course, you think his work on 'the Heroin Diaries' can be measured on the same scale as Slash's Estranged or Buckethead's TWAT.
 
Personally, I think the 'where is Slash' has at least as much to do with geography and Chinese Democracy as with the bands current performance. Fans in Europe and the US are much more prone to complain about about Slash's absence. I have always seen Asia and South-America as continents where Guns N' Roses with Axl is more than good enough, but that might be a prejudice.

We also have Chinese Democracy. Guns is no longer a band on tour that is solely fuelled by its legacy. We know they had to play their old music, because there wasn't enough (finished) material to go on, but I understand some people's disappointment. Another tour without an album was not an option, I think Axl realized that more than anyone. They might have been great in 2006-7, but the omnipresence of Appetite in the set list didn't feel right besides for those blinded by faith. These days, most people at least know there is an album. They know too that it is a different album, not anything on there is what you would expect if Appetite was in your cd player.

To say that Slash only did regrettable albums and pathetic performances is below the belt. He performed with many artists. The man is doing what he likes to do, and why shouldn't he? His last tour with Velvet Revolver actually came a little closer to the energy they brought along in their early days. Besides that, Ain't Life Grand is a splendid blend of blues and hard rock. I dare say most will be impressed with his life performances this summer. Most were halfway in the 90's with his solo projects anyway. His new solo work sounds good too. I don't particularly like the songs with Alice Cooper (too Motley Crue-ish), Kid Rock and several others, but those with Fergie, Kennedy, Stockdale, Cornell and the Maroon5 guy are fantastic.
 
I'll line-up next to JackDaniel: Notify me when DJ pulls off something that comes even close to what Slash has done (or, in JD's case, when he has written a classic). I wonder how many people - now rating him above the top hat legend- even knew Ashba before he joined the band.


 


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: One.In.A.Million on April 05, 2010, 06:44:02 PM
I think people are getting carried away with the phrase "who's better".

I think it's 2 different things thinking somebody is better because of music they have wrote, or thinking they are better because you like watching them live. For example if somebody said to me, "you can't like Robin playing Jungle better than Slash, because Slash wrote it". To me that is ridiculous, I do prefer Robin playing appetite more than Slash, because I like his style better and also I believe in this present day, Robin can play the songs better than Slash anyway.

It's like Axl singing 'I am sailing' at Wembley in 2006, I prefer Axl's version much better than Rod Stewarts, even though he wrote it.

Again, it's all about personal taste, you cannot say, someone is not aloud to like Ashba / Robin better than Slash just because you feel he has created more music. Some people just hate the fact that some people truely like other guitarists in GN'R over Slash.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 06, 2010, 05:28:05 AM
To me, writing is  VERY important in a band, and it seems to get overlooked by lots of people.  If a band had no good material, nobody would want to see them on tour in the fist place.  Their albums wouldn't be popular etc etc etc....

When i go to a show, i want to see the players that created the music playing it live.  Slash used to be like a man possesed when he played the AFD songs years ago.  He used to run all over the stage.  he cant anymore cos he is older and has a pacemaker. Running around wasnt Izzy's style.  But i never would of wanted a "Touring guitarist" just to look cooler or more exciting.  i go to shows to see the band!

Id hate to think of the future of rock music if a band made a great album, then got a bunch of talented, younger, more attractive and energetic musicians to tour it.  its almost like the pop industry were outside writers come in and write all the material for someone else to take credit for.

So IMHO, a musician needs to be judged on overall performance in a number of categories.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: wadey on April 06, 2010, 07:15:24 AM
i prefer Slash, just like i also prefer Duff, Izzy and Steven  : ok:
yes i also like the updated Guns and they are all very good musicians, but when you've had GnR in your blood for 20yrs then your bound to have more feelings for the guys that started it all off.




Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 06, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
when i say that DJ ashba is way better than Slash,im talking about RIGHT NOW,the present.Slash is no more Slash,and i think if he were in GNR trying to make an old GNR record,he would fail (THATS MY OPINION).BTW i respect and love the OLD SLASH,and remember him like the rock star he was.Now is just a hat with hair,its like a NIKE LOGO.But musically.........no more a rock star.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on April 07, 2010, 03:38:23 AM
Whahah "just a hat with hair", nice one :)


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 07, 2010, 04:01:55 AM
when i say that DJ ashba is way better than Slash,im talking about RIGHT NOW,the present.Slash is no more Slash,and i think if he were in GNR trying to make an old GNR record,he would fail (THATS MY OPINION).BTW i respect and love the OLD SLASH,and remember him like the rock star he was.Now is just a hat with hair,its like a NIKE LOGO.But musically.........no more a rock star.


So DJ playing a few live shows makes him a "Rock Star"?
But Slash recording an album with real rock legends makes him a hat with hair? 



Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: svdv22 on April 07, 2010, 04:19:35 AM
I think he meant slash' work with slash' snakepit/velvet revolver makes him a hat with hair. And I kinda agree with him. Not al the way though, it wasn't that bad. And his solo album actually not that bad at all.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 07, 2010, 04:31:41 AM
when i say that DJ ashba is way better than Slash,im talking about RIGHT NOW,the present.Slash is no more Slash,and i think if he were in GNR trying to make an old GNR record,he would fail (THATS MY OPINION).BTW i respect and love the OLD SLASH,and remember him like the rock star he was.Now is just a hat with hair,its like a NIKE LOGO.But musically.........no more a rock star.

Which is why people everywhere obviously know DJ Ashba not....oh wait  :rofl:

Ashba has more chops in a technical sense, but he ( judging from BC ) has no idea how to craft a memorable guitar part or melody. His stuff is bland and generic. If you take stabs at VR than you haven't heard BC. If Axl tried to make a "old" guns record he'd fail, if Zeppelin tried to make an old Zep record they'd fail, If Ozzy tried to recreate 70s sabbath he'd fail. Catch me drift, of course he can't make that anymore it's not who he is. I don't understand how people start drawing these divides with people IE I like old/new guns , i like old/new Slash. I really can't think of anything other than his ability to shred a bit in which is triumphs slash.

His clothing is generic, his guitar playing style is pretty much a tame zakk wylde, his tone is brash.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 07, 2010, 04:45:49 AM
I like Zakk Wylde and i actually thought that would have been and excelent replacement to slash even writting songs,so you nailed my tastes.And i didnt like the whole libertad album,and only one song in contraband(shiter).I think are pretty boring,and the singer sung without interest, i dont know how to say it in english,in spanish is "ganas,desganado".

And about DJ ashba songwriting,at least in wikipedia says he is co-writer in all songs excp one in Saints of L.A .And i REALLY like the album.Good sound,a mix of old and new.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 07, 2010, 04:57:49 AM
I like Zakk Wylde and i actually thought that would have been and excelent replacement to slash even writting songs,so you nailed my tastes.And i didnt like the whole libertad album,and only one song in contraband(shiter).I think are pretty boring,and the singer sung without interest, i dont know how to say it in english,in spanish is "ganas,desganado".

And about DJ ashba songwriting,at least in wikipedia says he is co-writer in all songs excp one in Saints of L.A .And i REALLY like the album.Good sound,a mix of old and new.

I'm not saying Wylde is bad but he just seems like a second-rate version of Zakk or Slash. Libertad was awful, but was also a Scott driven record. Every song of Contraband kicked hard ass to me. I'm talking about his actually guitar crafting skills, he's done nothing. You can't pin point a moment in his career and say now THATS DJ, he can't play a single note and you can know THATs DJ....


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 07, 2010, 05:31:29 AM
If you are looking for a trademark is Slash.But nothing more right now.And btw black sabbath couldnt sound Black sabaath right now......because Ozzy!.Listen to heaven and hell and you will realise

i want to say also that im listening again to the new Slash album,and ive got the feeling of listening a Japanise band.......i mean that when japanise try to copy european/american great bands,the copy them very very well......but its just that..a copy.

The album is Slash writting songs for Iggy pop,lemmy,ozzy osbourne etc... Not a bad album,but is like covering bands.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 07, 2010, 06:05:12 AM
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Not a bad album,but is like covering bands.


DJ covers a bunch of GNR songs at every show!
He's just playing what Slash, Robin etc wrote.   

For better or worse, Slash has always played his own music. 


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 07, 2010, 06:21:20 AM
If you are looking for a trademark is Slash.But nothing more right now.And btw black sabbath couldnt sound Black sabaath right now......because Ozzy!.Listen to heaven and hell and you will realise

i want to say also that im listening again to the new Slash album,and ive got the feeling of listening a Japanise band.......i mean that when japanise try to copy european/american great bands,the copy them very very well......but its just that..a copy.

The album is Slash writting songs for Iggy pop,lemmy,ozzy osbourne etc... Not a bad album,but is like covering bands.

How is Slash writing original material and contacting singers "like covering bands" and DJ playing Guns tunes day in and out he had nothing to do with NOT? You have a very wrapped mentality.

So you are sitting here telling me that you get a feeling Slash is trying to copy a bands style and sound and DJ is doing what ? Wearing a Top Hat and playing Sweet Child O' Mine? Seriously you're logic is very flawed....

EDIT: As I said earlier I understand that people can prefer DJ to Slash but some of the reasons that are backed up with that argument are beyond me. Honestly, no matter what Axl does with Guns I will always want Axl and Slash together. I won't vocalize it like some reunion freak but I think that together they make a sound that can not be replaced. I give everyone who has come into guns a fair chance, some I liked some I didn't but with DJ...it's not even a question.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 07, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
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As I said earlier I understand that people can prefer DJ to Slash but some of the reasons that are backed up with that argument are beyond me.


Thats my feelings too! 

if you prefer DJ's work with nikki Sixx, thats fine.   but please dont say cos he looks hotter or cooler onstage.

or because he doesnt cover other people lol! 


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: Judas Fuckin Priest on April 07, 2010, 02:22:34 PM
After 17 years, people started to understand that Axl and Slash can have different projects, and we can enjoy both of them.  :peace:

That's right.

Many years past. People got over and is resigned. Although, it doesn't mean most of people want old Guns n' Roses back.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2010, 04:48:40 AM
Its covering,he has made a song sounding like ozzy,sounding like motorhead,but because ozzy are lemming are singing.Theres a few songs where you can hear slash style.And i forgot to say,that the album sound in a few songs  COMERCIAL.

And about Slash trademark:YES i think when he plays with paulina rubio,marta sanchez,and the black guys of mtv,and he is with his hat and his guitar playing a solo (and sometimes a gnr solo ) is because of his  trademark.And he had used it during all this years.


And i think Ashba has fit the place of Slash,because he played the gnr songs,with his presence and his style and slash right now is not longer a the slash we love.Thats my point of view.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2010, 05:04:55 AM
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As I said earlier I understand that people can prefer DJ to Slash but some of the reasons that are backed up with that argument are beyond me.


Thats my feelings too! 

if you prefer DJ's work with nikki Sixx, thats fine.   but please dont say cos he looks hotter or cooler onstage.

or because he doesnt cover other people lol! 

no i dont say Ashba is better because dont cover bands!.I like Ashba because has fit well in GNR ,and theres no Slash nostalgia right now ( i think).But im explaining that all this people think slash would do a perfect job RIGHT NOW in guns and roses..........i think slash is not more a one of the best guitar players in the world.Even playing live.I dont think Ashba is the best in the world...ok? because i know you will say it.

Maybe the correct question would be " who would do better job right now in GNR Slash or Ashba"


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 08, 2010, 07:03:58 AM
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As I said earlier I understand that people can prefer DJ to Slash but some of the reasons that are backed up with that argument are beyond me.


Thats my feelings too! 

if you prefer DJ's work with nikki Sixx, thats fine.   but please dont say cos he looks hotter or cooler onstage.

or because he doesnt cover other people lol! 

no i dont say Ashba is better because dont cover bands!.I like Ashba because has fit well in GNR ,and theres no Slash nostalgia right now ( i think).But im explaining that all this people think slash would do a perfect job RIGHT NOW in guns and roses..........i think slash is not more a one of the best guitar players in the world.Even playing live.I dont think Ashba is the best in the world...ok? because i know you will say it.

Maybe the correct question would be " who would do better job right now in GNR Slash or Ashba"


I still think it would be Slash though.   Its not possible to get any worse at playing the guitar.   
If you seen the show that Slash did recently for LAYN, he kicked ass playing Paradise City, Out to get me etc.  He's still awesome at playing SCOM and Nightrain and he's been playing Its So Easy and Brownstone for years now too.

I know Snakepit, VR and the latest solo album are not as good as his previous work in Guns, but its kind of difficult to top being in one of the biggest rock bands of all time.

Im comfortable with the fact that Axl or Slash will never do better than AFD or UYI's.  Just like Metallica will never release a better album than Master Of Puppets. 



Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2010, 09:17:17 AM
Im comfortable with the fact that Axl or Slash will never do better than AFD or UYI's

So i am,but i think axl is in better mind state,than Slash.I really think slash has nothing to do with de old slash.Even his music taste has change to worst ( for me).And performance....when i saw him playing the november rain solo with the black guys i though IS OVER.Bad day or no reharseal ...I dont know,but if you are going to do that....do it right.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 08, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
Im comfortable with the fact that Axl or Slash will never do better than AFD or UYI's

So i am,but i think axl is in better mind state,than Slash.I really think slash has nothing to do with de old slash.Even his music taste has change to worst ( for me).And performance....when i saw him playing the november rain solo with the black guys i though IS OVER.Bad day or no reharseal ...I dont know,but if you are going to do that....do it right.


i agree, Slash will never be as good minus Axl.  At that show, he didnt rehearse and he was playing the solo in a different position on the guitar so it sounded a lot different.  He probably hadnt played it in some time either.

but i also think that Axl is worse without Slash.

its funny, i think Slash's work after GNR really misses Axls vision, lyrics and awesome vocals.
But i think CD missed some of Slash's cool riffs and solo's and overall RNR vibe.  Im not the biggest fan of CD guitar solos.   :)


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: kukol1978 on April 08, 2010, 09:45:27 AM
"Im not the biggest fan of CD guitar solos"-you dont need to tell me that ! LOL.

Of course i would jump and cry if theres a reunion tour ?who would not? but i really think the new line up could conquest the world AGAIN. with 2 more albums,and a PROPER MARKETING.Also a music video and interviews.For me is sad when i hear people saying? ah GNR? are they still playing?.On other time when a GNR album was for sale,there were a fucking collapse.Right now was a "light earthquake".The album is really good,the tour is really good......but the promotion is a fuckin SHIT.


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: jacdaniel on April 08, 2010, 10:17:41 AM
"Im not the biggest fan of CD guitar solos"-you dont need to tell me that ! LOL.

Of course i would jump and cry if theres a reunion tour ?who would not? but i really think the new line up could conquest the world AGAIN. with 2 more albums,and a PROPER MARKETING.Also a music video and interviews.For me is sad when i hear people saying? ah GNR? are they still playing?.On other time when a GNR album was for sale,there were a fucking collapse.Right now was a "light earthquake".The album is really good,the tour is really good......but the promotion is a fuckin SHIT.


Agreed  :)   but i just don't see Axl releasing 2 albums anytime soon.  or appearing in public to promote them. 
I think CD would have done much better in 2002.  not sure whether it was ready or not though.
Especially after the first show in 7 years and the hype from the VMAs


Title: Re: Did you notice...there are no "where is slash"
Post by: axlpwns on July 03, 2010, 01:10:21 AM
I like slash but i think he is overrated as a guitarist. The new lineup has great guitarists and they also had buckethead who is so underrated.