Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.amazon.com/Slash/e/B000APVSRE/ref=ac_dpt_sa_link

Slash keeps hitting it out of the park.

Wow..  I can't keep saying good things or I will sound like a total nutswinger.

QFT. Someone should probably consolidate all the streaming links and stuff lol... :hihi: into one topic. You know what I think REALLY helped this album the production value. Eric really hit the spot and knows how to produce Slash, you don't just hear the guitar and vocals you HEAR them if you catch my drift.

Not a big fan of this song, I don't like Ozzy's vocals.

Probably my least favorite of the bunch so far.  Good thing they didn't go with this as the lead single, whatever the reason was.  Didn't think it was a good idea when I heard it, and now that I've heard the song I have confirmation.

I like it. It kinda sounds like old black sabbath with  Ozzy's black rain voice.
I really do like it. :peace:

Edit: You know and it sounds like Slash 2.

Edit #2.

Check out these lyrics. At least as best as I could listen.
Fucking Epic.

The fire has started long ago
the flames burn down still embers blow
so charred and black there is nothing left to burn
to burn

We had the same dream live life to xtream
a loaded gun jammed by a rose

the thorns are not around your head
your ego curse you till you bend
you cannot crucify the dead
to me your dead yeah

The future is uncertain stone
desicions passive you alone
betrayed us all with your own selfish greed
your greed yeah

your soldiers now say that your back in command
recruits that are bought and payed by you

the thorns are not around your head
your ego curse you till you bend
you cannot crucify the dead
to me your dead yeah

we were like brothers with the world in our hands
you always have to much to say
one day you look back and you wonder why
you let it all slip away yeah

crucify the dead
crucify the dead


the thorns are not around your head
your ego curse you till you bend
you cannot crucify the dead
to me your dead yeah

Not bad. i love ozzy in general so hopefully it grows.  not as good on first listen as some of the others though.

didn't really like it at first, but it grew already on this second listen

as faldor said, it was probably for the best that they didn't choose this one as a lead single

saw some people debating whether the song was about axl or not. lines like "loaded gun jammed by a rose" definitely make it look like it could be.

Ozzy said the lyrics were what he thinks happened to GNR.  he said that in classic Rock.

It's a quite good lyric song.
if it's about gnr.
well there you have it let Ozzy tell the truth :P

Ozzy never did much for me, and for that reason I wasn't too excited about this one. It's pretty much what I expected from Ozzy. Slash has got some great moo building up in those guitars, though. Great guitar work as usual.

It does sound like he is talking about Axl:

"Loaded gun jammed by a rose"
"Your soldiers now say that your back in command"
"Recruits that are bought and payed by you"

Well...

it sounds like the lyrics are from slash's point of view even tho ozzy wrote them. "We were like brothers with the world in our hands"

^ They probably wrote them together.

The person that said Ozzy's voice never did much for them  :rofl:

I just can't picture anyone saying that. Ozzy is a god.

I think Duff put it real nice:
"We are all just lowly pretenders when OZZY enters the room"

This one is really growing on me :) :peace:

If Ozzy wrote those lyrics, then I say 'fuck him'.
If Slash had wrote them, it'd be understandable. I wouldn't agree with it, but he lived through it so he at least has the right to write about it. Ozzy doesn't.
The lyrics are good... but they're about a subject Ozzy should just keep his mouth shut about. I don't like people on here thinking they have the right to get involved in a petty fight that has nothing to do with us. But at least none of those guys are intending it for commercial consumption.

Have yet to actually listen to the song. I'm at work right now, but from what I've heard of it in clips, it sounds like a really cool song.

The song is decent, sounds like a middle of the album Ozzy song. Don't appreciate the lyrics especially coming from Slash.

No mention of visiting the house of the one who jammed the rose up the barrel of the gun?

I agree.

It perpetuates the myth that Axl killed the band.

Since Slash's name is on the album, he has to take responsibility for them. I am actually somewhat offended by what is being implied.

Slash - "this is an interesting one. He [Ozzy] wrote those lyrics.... I was sitting beside him in the studio when he was putting it together and it had something to do with a relationship he'd been in. I'm not going to specify with who, but it's one of those vocals that could relate to a lot of people. Which is kinda funny because it reminded me of alot of relationships I've been in as well."

from this months metal hammer magazine.

I hope this is factual and it is pure Ozzy, but the rose in the gun reference is too direct to vindicate Slash launching a shot across the bow of Axl Rose.

funny, here's what i found on mygnr regarding this song:


I'm a Ozzy fan, but this is a shitty fuckin move : ok:

Well Ozzy wrote the lyrics, not Slash. 

Well, we know this song was done at Ozzy's house and that Ozzy wrote the lyrics with his producer , not Slash.  I wonder at what point Ozzy told Slash he is actually writing a song about Slash and Axl?

They're just song lyrics, they can mean different things to different people. thats the beauty of music.   

Not like Axl holds back when he has something to say anyways.  :hihi:

Axl has every right to say stuff about slash, Ozzy has no business saying anything about what happened with Guns though as he has no idea what happened. Personally I think it's a shitty move on Ozzy and slash's part.

Big time.

A big F U to slash for putting it out.

what about "Sorry"?  and other things Axl said of Slash?
i guess he gets a free pass?

That's not the point being made. If Slash wrote the lyrics, that'd be fine by me (whether I'd agree with it or not would be a different matter)... but he didn't. Ozzy wrote them. It's a subject that has absolutely nothing to do with him, therefore he does not have the right to say it.

Most songs though are based on a number of things.  notice how he says its "kind of" about what he "thinks" happened with them.  but it also probably has other deeper meanings to Ozzy. 

It's far too pointed and specific to be about anything else.

Dude there is no way you can say it's about anything other than Axl when Ozzy comes out and says it himself. You know it's a shitty move and shouldn't have been done, just admit it.

It's lame that ozzy writes lyrics of what he thinks of the break up, like he knows anything, and that slash is alright with it, there's no way slash is so god damn dumb that he really he believes the lyrics are about some old relationship for ozzy, that's simply not possible

as for sorry, here's a quote "and for the idiots, no this song was not written about someone i used to know" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJBmxvf2Fc

No.
Axl said enough shit about Slash and vice versa that if one can do it so can the other.
Its juvenile i know, but it is what it is.  Especially with the media fueling it all.

Again... it is not Slash. It is Ozzy. Slash is not Ozzy. Ozzy was not there. END OF FUCKING DISCUSSION!

Although, Slash could be accused of hypocrisy, considering he's said many times how much he hates people who didn't have to go through it talking shit about Axl. But he appears to be supporting someone doing just that on his record. But that's another debate.

i think you're reading a little too much into it. 
If you don't like it, boycott the track by all means. or even the whole album.

I will agree that if they both sat around trying to right lyrics just to upset Axl... thats pretty juvenile.
But i can already apply the song to different situations ive encountered in life.

Wow, some of you take things so seriously. "He wasn't there! He doesn't know the truth! Wah!"
Lighten up. It's just Ozzy's take on things. Are you people seriously now telling Ozzy what he can or cannot write and sing about?

I don't think Axl will give a flying fuck. Just a bunch of people on message boards.

Reading too much into it? Ozzy said what it is about himself. It's not reading too much into it. ::)

And @Genesis Yes, I am. It has nothing to do with him.

I don't care about what axl thinks of this

it's a shitty move and it's discussed on message boards yes : ok:

It doesn't matter what you can apply the song to, it matters what it was written about. Ozzy has no business writing about what happened in GNR since he wasn't there and doesn't know what has gone on and what is now going on.

@Genesis The thing is people will listen to this song and believe what Ozzy is saying about things is true. That's the problem.

To clear things up before someone brings it up (and I know they will) - if Tommy Stinson was to write a song about how much of a dick Slash is, I'd be just as pissed off as I am about this. ;)

This is the same sort of discussion people had when 'Sorry' came out. Would it make people feel better if Slash said: "And for the idiots, no this song was not written about someone i used to know"?

Slash can say whatever he wants, Ozzy has already said its about Axl and Guns.  : ok:

And I wouldn't buy that for a second. We have Ozzy and Slash on record. Slash knew exactly what the song was about and let it go on his record.

Again, no mention of midnight visits to this target of this song's home seeking reunion?

but it was... only slash didn't write the lyrics

+ "loaded gun" "jammed rose" are you in denial? sorry seems to be about "know it all fans" and asshole journalists, there's no real reason to talk about it here : ok:

You people are making a big deal that it was Ozzy who wrote the lyrics. I guess that considering it's on the album, Slash is okay with the lyrics (whatever that means to him).
Would you all be happy if it was Slash himself who wrote the lyrics? Yeah, I'd thought so.


Sure. If Axl said so. I didn't say Sorry was about Slash did I?

you didn't, jacdaniel implied it though

If it was Slash himself who wrote them, I honestly wouldn't give a shit. It's his life, so he has the right to write about it, whether I agree with what he's saying or not (he'd know better than me what went on, after all).
It does get to me that Slash is supporting someone who didn't go through the situation in sticking his nose in, when he's said in the past that he hates people who do that, though.

Another thing I find interesting is that Slash in his book said he was pissed at Scott Weiland for releasing his statement calling Axl a "wig-wearing fuck" because he felt that Scott had no right to talk about Axl being that Scott had not ever dealt with Axl like Slash had.

Why doesn't the same rule apply to Ozzy?

Ali

And on top of all of that, it's not a great song. Definitely not what I expected from Ozzy... especially with the talk of it sounding kind of like Sabbath. It's enjoyable, but that's about it. I never thought I'd prefer a song with Fergie to a song with Ozzy. :-\

Well, if people are that bothered, they should ask him directly about the lyrics. The song itself is pretty forgettable anyway.

Exactly Ozzy can do and sing whatever he wants. He has earned it.

If it was Myles or Kid Rock or something, I think it would be a little different.

Also Ozzy isn't calling Axl names like a wig wearing fuck.
That's totally different, uncalled for and not true.
The lyrics in a song are art and can be interpreted in different ways.

All he really says in the lyrics are "to me your dead" and I think Slash probably agrees with that statement after being called a cancer.

That is quite a laissez-faire attitude towards a shit stirrer, which is exactly what Ozzy is doing.  Having a solid career doesn't entitle a person to promote ignorance and myth as fact.

Ozzy latched onto the public perception of the break up and deposited on Slash's 'solo' album. By putting it out there, Slash has given this his stamp of approval.

Slash says things about Axl.
Axl says things about Slash.
Slash puts a cd out with a song about Axl.
The ball is in Axl's court now.

It is the best soap opera going on anywhere. Lets see what happens next. Ususally when Axl does say something it is pretty harsh :rant:. I am just curious who he will say it to Ozzy (which probably want give a damn) or Slash.

Slash has been pretty nice in interviews lately about Axl. Hell he has been out right complementary. But he had to know the song would cause a shit storm. So why did he let it happen? JMO I think the cancer comment stung more than Slash will let on.

the song isn't about rose or gnr
Slash said that Ozzy wrote the lyrics were pointed to some men he worked with.
and Slash could relate to that...
so take it for what it was.

I posted an bit of info on the crucify the dead topic in the gnr threads but I can't find that bit of info anymore so.
it's up to you how to see it.

and not everything is about guns or roses...

yup, and ozzy also said what he had in mind writing the lyrics ;) i think it's a page back

yeah

for all people blaming Slash for writing this to Axl or about..

Slash - "this is an interesting one. He [Ozzy] wrote those lyrics.... I was sitting beside him in the studio when he was putting it together and it had something to do with a relationship he'd been in. I'm not going to specify with who, but it's one of those vocals that could relate to a lot of people. Which is kinda funny because it reminded me of alot of relationships I've been in as well."

from this months metal hammer magazine.

it seems you didn't check a page back;

Just quoting this post for gnrjanus to read. I think Ozzy knows what he was writing about more than Slash. ;)

The song is fucking horrible anyways so whatever

 Bet you didnt even listen to it.  You just clicked on the first song thread you could find regarding the Slash album and posted how horrible it was.

I don't think it's horrible, but it is my least favourite of the tracks I've heard so far. So I'll give Jim Bob the benefit of the doubt on this occasion, against my better judgment.

You know what I find funny?  People on this board are crucifying (no pun intended) Ozzy for doing the exact same thing that a lot of the posters on this board do on a daily basis.  That would be having an opinion on something they know nothing about.  A lot of people hate Slash and rip him to no end but they have no fucking idea what happened back in the GNR days.  Does Ozzy have a right to open his mouth about GNR? no.  But it is funny that some of the people ripping him are guilty of the same shit.  I know Slash was the first one to tell Weiland to shut the fuck up about Axl back in 2006.

I like the song it is not my favorite but I think it is a good song. And I am not upset with Slash or even Ozzy for that matter. And when it is all said and done it is just a song on a cd. :)

didn't know that quote or looked through it sorry guys!

no matter. I like the song and it's catchy

I understand what you're saying, but this situation is a little different.  First, Ozzy is in effect speaking for Slash by writing the song in the first person narrative.  He's literally pretending he was there and knows what was going.  Then, he's putting it in song form.  By putting this in song form, he's injecting himself into this feud right alongside Slash by singing these lyrics on Slash's album.  That's not the same thing as a bunch of people discussing it on a message board.

Since you mentioned Weiland, that begs the question, why is it o.k. for Ozzy to write a song bashing Axl and not o.k. for Weiland to bash Axl in a public statement?  I know I asked it before, but I've yet to see anyone come up with anything reasonable.  I can't either, that's why I'm asking for theories on that.

Ali

Just a theory for Ali;  Scott's attack was insulting and I thought mean. He really did not have anything constructive to say and just insulted and made fun of Axl's appearance. His remarks always reminded me of a mean kid on the school play ground. Most people do not like to here anyone made fun of especially when it is someone close. And even though they are at war with each other it is apparent that Slash and Axl still have some kind of feelings for each other.  Ozzy's song is not insulting to Axl. It seams to call to Axl and maybe it is what Slash would actually like to say to Axl himself. That is why he does not consider it a diss. It goes back to what I posted before Ozzy did write the lyrics but Slash knew what they were and let them be put on the cd. He had to have known also that everyone including Axl would know who the song is about.  Just my theory. :)

Guys, just remember that Ozzy has been through the same shit, so he knows what he's saying.

maybe he shoulda put "dark rest" into the lyrics :P

I understand what you are saying.  In all honesty, though, I do not see such a fine distinction as being valid.  To me, it's just splitting hairs. 

I honestly think that Slash should've just said "please stay out of this.  Whatever happened is between me and him.  Please don't get involved."  Either that or written the lyrics himself if that is the message or feeling or thought he wants to convey.

Ali

So Ozzy wrote the lyrics to that song?
I thought Slash had written all the lyrics and guitar riffs and the singers were just there to sing it

Have you ever taken a look at any GN'R / VR cd inserts , yeah.... awesome guitarist but not so much a lyricist in any sense  ;D

I do agree that Sorry's lyrics (though Axl acts like its not about Slash) are more attacking, but on Crucify the Dead, there is no attack, but more of "we had it all, we were like brothers" yada, yada, yada.. 

The 2nd part, its fucking Ozzy Osbourne, he is a legend to Slash, Slash isn't going to tell him how to write, or what to write about.

I'm with you, its not ok what Ozzy did.  Just like its not ok what people on this board do, which is assume they know better than people who were actually there. 

Well.. times change.  If someone calls you a cancer while your mom is dying from the said disease, im guessing you'd be pretty pissed, even if you didn't always show it.

Ozzy is also a rock god... he can have any opinion on whatever he wants to in the rock world.

In what way are Ozzy's lyrics not an attack? The message of the lyrics seems to clearly be the same shit people have been saying for years - that Axl's a dick who fucked everything up. Everything's his fault. And his new band are just a bunch of paid-for yes men. And to top it all of "you are dead to me". If that's not an attack, I don't know what is. Whether what is being said is true or not, I don't know... no one on here knows. But, Ozzy being the one to write it is bullshit.

And no jacdaniel. Having a strong back catalogue of highly successful music does not entitle you to go on about something he wasn't there for. You don't get a free pass, just because some people have labelled you a 'rock god'. And there's no way Axl could have known Slash's mother was dying of cancer... no one knew until she'd died.

i can see why you're upset but ive just learned to drown all the shit out.
There's too much good things going on lately with this album coming out, the tour and GNR on tour for me to listen to all the juvenile things going around them.

I have to admit to being upset that my initial post expressing my anger is what started this shitstorm. Because this is practically the only bad thing I can say about the album so far, and it might seem to some that I'm just being negative.
I'm not... it's just there's less discussion about the other songs at the moment.

nah, ive seen your posts and know you're not negative  :)

Im actually surprised about the lack of talk on each track. i guess its cos we're getting hit with so many and people wont properly start talking til they have the album and have given a few listens.  Feedback seems good so far thankfully.  Even on some neutral sites.

slash had nothing to do with the lyrics or vocal melodies; just arranging them intop the song

i would consider the lyrics as a  3rd party observer from someone who's been thru the same situation or similar situations and his opinion on it

Yeah, I really don't have a problem with Ozzy writing lyrics about the breakup of GNR.  He's free to have an opinion.  Obviously he doesn't know the truth and the reasons behind everything, but that really doesn't matter.  Axl explained how "Shackler's Revenge" was based on the senseless school shootings from back in the day.  Was Axl involved in those shootings?  I'm quite sure he wasn't.  So how can he comment on such a thing?  Easily.

Obviously, I don't care what Ozzy thinks of the situation but he's well within his rights.  And more importantly, this song is just not that strong and that's all that counts.  Subject matter, or not.

Axl didn't write Shackler's about one particular school shooting but about the general nature of the crimes themselves. There is abundant information on these events and their justifications.

Ozzy though wrote a song about the death of one particular band of which he bore no witness and assigned blame to one particular individual. 

Forgive me, but I prefer songs not based on the guestimates.

I hear what you're saying, but it still doesn't bother me because like I said before, I could care less what Ozzy thinks of the situation. 

i think ozzy has a paternalistic sort of attitude to the rockstars like axl and slash... and he can say whatever the fuck he wants about the situation. its not the same as tommy.. you forget that ozzy DOES know axl, and probably knows ALOT of what went on in guns' break up. Hell, his own guitarist (Zakk) was almost in the band..

i can't see ozzy having written lyrics, and slash saying "No dude, thats off the album. I wont have any BAD things said about a person who called me a cancer!"

but axl shouldn't take it as a slash attack; i doubt slash feels the way ozzy does, hes got well more complex emotions.

but im glad this came up, i relistened to sorry.. aweosme song!

As far as I recall, Zakk said that he loves Axl and the only bad thing about the experience of jamming with the band was when the management got involved. Not sure if his own guitarist's experience would have in any way influenced this track.

Slash: New song not about Axl

On Slash?s self-titled solo debut, in stores Tuesday, the legendary guitarist of Guns N? Roses and Velvet Revolver fame appears to have included a new song about his former GN?R bandmate Axl Rose.

But appearances can be deceiving.

It was actually Ozzy Osbourne, Slash?s collaborator on the track, Crucify The Dead, who penned and sang the lyrics that seem to reference Rose: ?A loaded gun jammed by a rose, the thorns are not around your head, your ego cut you ?til you bled.?

?It was an Ozzy thing,? said Slash, 44, during a recent interview during Canadian Music Week.

?He said the song represents the situation he?s had in his relationships with other musicians. Yes, there were some key lines in there that were very suggestive of my experience. But he said, ?No, this is just an overall picture of the issues.? ?

QMI Agency   

OZZY Says 'Crucify The Dead' Lyrics Are What He Would Say To AXL ROSE If He Were SLASH - May 28, 2010

Ozzy Osbourne was one of the featured guests on the recently released solo album from former GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Slash. The Prince of Darkness sings on a track called "Crucify The Dead" and as Ozzy told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, the legendary BLACK SABBATH frontman helped with the lyrics, too. In fact, Osbourne says the song is about what he would tell GUNS N' ROSES singer Axl Rose if he were in Slash's shoes.

"Slash sent me the music of it and I worked on the melody and some lyrics for him and what I did with the lyrics, I thought, what's always gotten me about the GUNS N' ROSES guys and I say to Slash all the time, 'Do you realize what you guys did? You'll never understand. You guys could've been the next ROLLING STONES, the next superband,'" Ozzy said. "And what I wrote in the song, 'Crucify the Dead', is if I were Slash, what I would send in a message to Axl.

"I've never met Axl but I would be pissed off and the lyrics are about that."

In a recent interview, Slash denied that the "Crucify The Dead" lyrics had anything to do with Axl, explaining, "It was an Ozzy thing. He says the song represents the situation he's had in his relationships with other musicians."

Slash continued, "Yes, there were some key lines in there that were very suggestive of my own experience ? but, no, this is just an overall picture of the issues."

"Crucify The Dead" lyrics (written by Ozzy Osbourne):

The fire started long ago
The flames burned out, still embers glow
So charred and black
There's nothing left to burn, to burn

We had the same dream
Lived life to extreme
A loaded gun jammed by a rose

The thorns are knots around your head
Your ego cursed you till you bled
You cannot crucify the dead
To me you're dead, yeah

The future is unset in stone
Decisions past leave you alone
Betrayed us all with your own selfish greed, your greed, yeah

New soldiers now say
That your beggars collect
Re-crucified and paid by you

The thorns are knots around your head
Your ego cursed you till you bled
You cannot crucify the dead
To me you're dead, yeah

We were like brothers with the world in our hands
You always have too much to say
Someday you look back and you wonder why
You let it all slip away, yeah

[Solo]

Crucify the dead
Crucify the dead

The thorns are knots around your head
Your ego cursed you till you bled
You cannot crucify the dead
To me you're dead, yeah

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