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Hot Tours

January 28, 2010

Rank   Artist/Event
Total Gross
Show Dates
Show Venue/City (Shows/Sellouts)
Total Attendance (Capacity)

8   

GUNS N' ROSES

$389,492
Jan. 25
John Labatt Centre, London, Ontario (1/0)
5,286 (6,475)

http://www.billboard.com/#/events/hot-tours-beyonc%C3%A9-george-lopez-lady-1004063258.story

total gross for what? january? ???

that individual show?

Billboard ranks them by show or a one night gross.  They won't tally the entire tour until the end of the year if it is one of the top grossing tours.

For GNR it looks like it's just that one show, but the other acts list multiple shows dating back to October 2009.  Not sure why they don't include all of the other GNR shows.  Confusing list.

I think what they did is use the information they had to come up with the totals. In Gun's case, they just had the one show (Jan. 25) so that's how much they grossed for that show. For other bands/people they had information from more shows. Eventually they might be able to get the tally for all the shows and have a total number. Or maybe they won't since it's not public information unless the show is being held in a government-owned facility (this is common for many cities and small venues so probably wouldn't include a GNR show) or a facility that recieves public funding - more common for newer buildings. (That info reflects my knowlege of US law only.) Hope this all made sense.

Nice pay day for 3 plus hours of work!!! :beer:

Not bad but I think they loose a ton of that to production costs, transpiration costs of all the gear and stage, the traveling sound guys, pyro guy, guitar techs, etc.  Sure they are making some good money but I doubt they are getting to pocket very much of that money themselves. 

Actually in most cases the band gets a guaranteed amount of money for themselves and there is another portion of guaranteed money for transportation/setup as part of the contract. 

It is the job of the promoters to generate enough revenue to cover those costs and turn a profit

I think you're right to an extent, but I remember reading an interview with U2's Boner and he was talking about a tour in the mid-1990s (I believe) in which the band actually lost some money. They had a pretty extragant set-up, etc. After that they got sponsors for the tour. I believe the interview was his reaction to some people complaining that the band "sold out" by getting sponsors. I figure the promoters probably guarantee a certain amount for the "extras" but the band in the end probably has to chip in. Anyhow, they're probably not broke. :peace:

In the past 10-15 years the concert game changed a lot.  Back in the day the shows had to sell a lot of tickets or the bands didn't get much if any money.  Nowadays big name bands almost invariably get a guaranteed pay day.  Touring, at least when it comes to major acts, has become the one part of the music industry where the money men get fucked in the ass by the artists and not the other way around

Not sure of the specifics of GNR's deal but they are probably getting between $250,000 and $600,000 plus expenses guaranteed every night depending on the size of the venue and the market the concert is in

Is gross just ticket sales, or ticket sales + concessions?  Also, does it include T-Shirt sales, which I think the band and management get 100% of?

I think the band would sell just as many tickets whether or not there was a big production with the pyro, lights, etc.  When you buy your tickets, you usually don't really know what the stage setup is, you're just looking forward to seeing the band play. Last time around, GnR's stage wasn't nearly as extravagant. I'm sure they could've done the same thing this time around and the cheaper cost would've meant more money for the band. And the way they are playing, the fans would go away happy. But the fact that Axl wants to put on a big (and more costly) production for the fans shows that he isn't concerned about making as much money as he possibly can --  he wants to put on a big rock show even if it cuts into his profits.

A little update: GN'R is #2 this week, counting 3 shows.

http://www.billboard.com/events/hot-tours-brad-paisley-guns-n-roses-tiesto-1004065184.story#/events/hot-tours-brad-paisley-guns-n-roses-tiesto-1004065184.story (http://www.billboard.com/events/hot-tours-brad-paisley-guns-n-roses-tiesto-1004065184.story#/events/hot-tours-brad-paisley-guns-n-roses-tiesto-1004065184.story)


Total Gross
$1,596,398

Show Dates
Jan. 13-Feb. 1

Show Venue/City (Shows/Sellouts)
MTS Centre, Winnipeg, Manitoba (1/0)
Bell Centre, Montreal (1/0)
Colis?e Pepsi, Quebec City (1/0)
 
Total Attendance (Capacity)
21,942 (26,952)

great news, the steamboat gaining speed : ok:

We should keep updating this thread throughout the tour.

Thanks for posting this, that's interesting to see.  The tour is going well.  :yes:

so total capacity of 3 arenas is nearly 27000 people, gnr sold nearly 22000 tickets, so the places were 80 percent full...That was great

and the three separate shows, from Billboard.biz (need subscription to watch boxscores):

Rank  Artist/Event  Venue  City/State  Event Dates  Gross Sales  Attend/Capacity  Shows/Sellouts  Prices  Promoters 
 
2 Guns N' Roses, Sebastian Bach, Danko Jones Bell Centre Montreal, Quebec Jan. 27, 2010
 $789,501
 10,657 /  12,392
 1 /  0
 $79.65, $65.51, $46.66
 Gillett Entertainment Group/Live Nation
 
10 Guns N' Roses, Sebastian Bach, Danko Jones MTS Centre Winnipeg, Manitoba Jan. 13, 2010
 $458,484
 6,087 / 7,896
 1 / 0
 $86.43, $47.80
 Live Nation
 
14 Guns N' Roses, Sebastian Bach, Danko Jones Colisee Pepsi Quebec City, Quebec
 Feb. 1, 2010
 $348,413
 5,198 / 6,664
 1 / 0
 $69.57, $50.89, $39.69
 Gillett Entertainment Group/Live Nation

It would be cool to know these stats for the upcoming south american tour.

So does Billboard have any data from South America?

I don't think so.  Saw this posted at www.gnrevolution.com a few days ago.

Hot Tours at Billboard this week

$1,677,431 gross
Jan. 24-31
Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario 
Air Canada Centre, Toronto 
Scotiabank Place, Ottawa 
22,505 sold (29,200) capacity for all 3 venues

 :smoking:

Guns N' Roses ranks No. 2 for the week based on ticket sales from four concerts in Brazil and one in Argentina.  Top-grosser was Est?dio Palestra Italia in S?o Paulo (March 13) with $3 million earned at the box office and 34,872 in attendance.  Another stadium date, Estadio V?lez S?rsfield in Buenos Aires on March 22 drew over 35,000 fans.  The five reported March dates on the band's Chinese Democracy World Tour grossed a combined total of $8.4 million.

http://www.billboard.com/events/hot-tours-metallica-guns-n-roses-coldplay-1004081618.story?tag=hpfeed#/events/hot-tours-metallica-guns-n-roses-coldplay-1004081618.story?tag=hpfeed

GUNS N' ROSES
$8,483,424

March 7-22

Gin?sio Nilson Nelson, Bras?lia, Brazil (1/0)
Mineirinho, Belo Horizonte, Brazil (1/0)
Est?dio Palestra It?lia, S?o Paulo, Brazil (1/0)
Gigantinho, Porto Alegre, Brazil (1/0)
Estadio V?lez S?rsfield, Buenos Aires, Argentina (1/0)
110,327 (125,785)

so we can asume chinese has been paid of :rofl:

35,000 in argentina?

Excelent Info !! Thanks

 :beer:

Nice, GNR had a higher % of tickets sold over Metallica for what it's worth.  87% to 71%.

Death Magnetic:

- Full Promotion
- Video Clips
- Interviews
- Tour

Chinese Democracy

- N O T H I N G

 :smoking:

New numbers are in, GN'R places #6 this week (a few South/Central America dates)

http://www.billboard.com/events/hot-tours-depeche-mode-metallica-glee-1004097385.story?tag=hpfeed#/events/hot-tours-depeche-mode-metallica-glee-1004097385.story?tag=hpfeed (http://www.billboard.com/events/hot-tours-depeche-mode-metallica-glee-1004097385.story?tag=hpfeed#/events/hot-tours-depeche-mode-metallica-glee-1004097385.story?tag=hpfeed)

^^Not bad.  8)

Rank   Artist/Event
Total Gross
Show Dates
Show Venue/City (Shows/Sellouts)
Total Attendance (Capacity)

GUNS N' ROSES
$7,093,524
March 18-April 11
Estadio Centenario, Montevideo, Uraguay (1/0)
Movistar Arena, Santiago (1/0)
Estadio Monumental, Lima (1/0)
Estadio Ol?mpico Atahualpa, Quito, Ecuador (1/0)
Pra?a da Apoteose, Rio de Janeiro (1/0)
Plaza Figali, Panama City, Panama (1/0)
Estadio Cuscatl?n, San Salvador, El Salvador (1/0)
120,022 (199,591)

Not really a realistic list though... They basing it on the reports they got, where some artists have 20 shows, and another one 2 shows.

Even so, Guns did very well in Latin America!  :beer:

The biggest place I ever saw GN'R was either at the Rose Bowl or the L.A. Coliseum. One of them had 80,000 in attendance.

Prestige speaking.... isn't it more prestigious for a band to land the big numbers somewhere in the U.S. rather then in one of the 3rd world countries? (yea yea I know some of these aren't 3rd world so relax). Its like yea Hasselhoff had some big numbers in Germany but, it's Germany. Michael jackson was planning a big tour in some other country but, couldn't get it together for the U.S.

I think its more impressive to get the numbers from the U.S. The Beatles. They said they knew they made it big, when they hit big in the U.S.

I know its more work but the rewards are certainly greater. Its just much much easier to play for these other countries. Maybe its because of the lack of any home grown stars to compete with. In my opinion and being a long time fan, this just isn't GN'R's way. Back in the day they use to say they considered themselves like a gang. And they would kick the shit out people, and other bands with their music.

Axl certainly still has the talent and ability as Chinese Democracy clearly demonstrates. I just hope its not a lack of that fire. I miss the fire sometimes.

Yeah, and the time frame they use isn't consistent, but I suppose it's difficult to compare tours.

But nice to see GNR made the list again and 7 million in one month on tour is impressive.

How could you be so stupid?
U.S isn't the world's center

Yeah, that would be the inner core, and it would be way too hot for GNR to have a show there.

Are you high? Excluding England, Japan, and China, what numbers from other countries can even compare to the U.S. entertainment industry. Run some numbers Christian. You telling me the U.S. doesn't have the most Stars, blockbuster films, musicians, and personalities loved the world over? Are you really that dense? Think dude, think.

If you're talking about quantity, sure, I agree. But if you're talking about worth and quality, I disagree 100%. I'm not sure prestige is the right word...media coverage and money, yeah, but not prestige.

Amen

It's the usual "my country is better than your country" bullshit.

Selling X tickets still means you sold X tickets. No matter where you did so.


I think it's great that GN'R are listed up there. Proves that people still care and that's great. But instead of being happy about that, we have some that try to twist it around because GN'R isn't playing in their own country.  ::)

That tour was unique in many ways. For example, people who bitch about GN'R not selling out every show often ignore the simple fact that GN'R played multiple shows in places where many other bands don't even go.





/jarmo

I am sure that with 15-20 dates in Us arena's gnr would have soldout shows...but gnr have more dates ,so some of them have small audience

No Jarmo. I don't think "my Country is better then your country." I was stating something as fact regarding the way U.S. made entertainers are received around the world, compared to other countries offerings. Its laughable when someone like Jackson was planning his comeback tour but had to do it in other countries. David Hasslehoff blows and is laughable but, in other countries, he is a megastar musician. That is funny shit. Michael Jackson having monster sold out shows in the U.S. is a much bigger deal although it is a much higher mountain to climb.

Fact. Its easier for a U.S. made entertainer to have big shows outside the U.S. for a reason. That was my point. And really man, you have known me for a long time here. When would I ever say something like my country is better then your county. That is bullshit, true. But that is far from what I said.

Here is a post by kukol1978 from another thread:

and I quote,
"In the scandinavian countries the rock bands and metal bands are gods like they use to be back in the 80s"

You go on and on about the same shit.

If this kind of news doesn't interest you, then stay out.

Whining about it is boring.


GN'R is headlining venues all over the world (outside the USA) at the moment, and instead of being happy about it, you like to take over the thread with your pointless whining.

I hope you're proud.



One of the most popular sporting events in the world is currently taking place in South Africa. Just because some of you Americans aren't interested, doesn't make it less important on a global scale. Same thing with GN'R. Just because these dates didn't take place in your country, doesn't make them less impressive.

It only shows your ignorance to the world outside of your own country.



/jarmo

God, what a dumb post.  ::)

Pow bang zing!

Pointless whining? Dude, I have never said anything bad about another country. Who said I am not happy? Your Illusions are getting the best of you today. I just thoroughly enjoyed watching the GN'R concert from Sao Paulo. I am proud of GN'R. Damn you got me all wrong. I am there biggest fan and supporter and was probably one long before you. Being critical of something you love makes me a real fan. Go to sternfannetwork sometime and see how hard on Howard Howard Stern fans are there. But they are his best fans, in the world. You are sorely miss guided here Jarmo, respectfully. Everyone has a bad day, so I won't hold this against you. Its now in the past but, don't pretend to know me or my intentions when you clearly don't have a clue. I respect you, and I always have. Whatever, have a good day.


oh and requiem156, go fuck yourself.

How come many others have reacted the same way to your comments?

You and your so called prestige.  ::)

You make it sound like people outside the USA are stupid because some actually like David Hasselhoff. So therefore it means nothing when GN'R plays shows for thousands of people at every show outside the US.

According to you, it's more prestigious to sell out shows in the USA where people like things like Poison, NASCAR, wrestling or whatever else they're force fed by reality television. Good for you!



If I had said something similar against the USA, you know what would've happened.

But for Americans, apparently it's ok to post remarks like you did about the rest of the world.... Ironic.


Next time you want to make close minded remarks about the world outside your own country, please don't bother.

All Americans who were hurt by my above comments, relax. I'm just making a point that not everything is so "prestigious" in the USA.




/jarmo

I speak for me. For me. I don't even pretend to speak for others in the U.S. I represent myself. If I say something that sounds stupid, Ironic, dumb, or whatever you or anyone else want to call it, just understand that I speak only for myself. I am not an ambassador. I know that is shocking but, its true.

For the record, a lot agreed with Hitler but, that doesn't make him right or justify his intentions. I have stood alone all too often. I know I say things using words that get misconstrued and taken the wrong way. That is something I have to work on. But, I was making a singular observation. Hasslehoff is a running joke here, all over the media, and with the sprockets connection from SNL its a running punchline with him. You like him, fine. But if you think I mean that as GN'R sucks, then that is psycho talk. I get into to many fights and have defended GN'R way to much for years to let you think otherwise.

I think you know my love for GN'R and GN'R fans. I have partied with many from here over the years. That is something I don't think many here can claim. And you know this. I don't even know why we are getting into it but, that last thing I wanted was to bring you negativity. But, if you are annoyed or something, I will leave. Life is too short and we are all so fucking lucky that we even exist at all. This is borderline ridiculous really.

METALLICA, GUNS N' ROSES, AC/DC On 'Hot Tours' Chart - June 10, 2010

According to Billboard.com, METALLICA ranks No. 2 this week on the Hot Tours chart based on box office totals from tours in Latin American countries during the first half of the year from promoters T4F and Evenpro/Water Brother. Evenpro/Water Brother handled the band's concerts in Peru (Jan. 19), Costa Rica (March 7), Panama (March 8), Colombia (March 10) and Venezuela (March 12). T4F's date was in Santiago, Chile (Jan. 26). The South and Central American shows were part of METALLICA's World Magnetic Tour that began in October 2008 and is scheduled to continue through November. Box office stats from T4F and Evenpro/Water Brother also helped GUNS N' ROSES and AC/DC land a ranking on this week's Hot Tours list, at Nos. 6 and 7, respectively.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=141386

You think I'm a fan of Hasselhoff?   :rofl:



A bunch of people took your comments that way.

Instead of "that's awesome!" it became "well it's cool but it doesn't really mean anything because it wasn't in the USA"....





/jarmo

And, Godwin's Law is in play. Why don't you just admit that your post made no sense and quit while you're ahead? As an American, I can say it come off as incredibly ethnocentric.

Maybe we could make that "some" Americans.  :)


Just to be clear...


And these tour numbers for GNR are impressive.  :yes:

UFFF... OMG, You Imagine Whit Video Clip BETTER

 :drool: