Here Today... Gone To Hell!

If this is posted somewhere else, sorry.....

Why are you asking?


We don't have any numbers at this point.


Now I know some are quick to point out "but the shows aren't sold out". What they often chose to ignore is the number of shows GN'R has booked.

How often do you hear the "why are they playing in that place? They should just play in the bigger city and it would sell out" line? Like it's a given that thousands of people are actually prepared to travel on a week night to another city to see a concert (when they skip their hometown).

Like in GN'R's case, assumptions are made that everybody in Hamilton who bought a ticket to that show would be going to Toronto instead if there had not been a Hamilton show.





/jarmo

I for one am just happy too see GNR go on tour , I could care less how many tickets were sold , I bought myself one and am telling anybody who listens that they are going back on tour , besides .The live experience is what its all about not " they will never sale out a arena ".

Just to toss some numbers around Metallica tickets for DEC 8 TH arco arena went on sale 9 months ago and still haven't sold out , who cares buy a ticket and go have fun .Don't worry about the set lists , dont worry about who's opening , dont worry about what time the take stage , and party your Freaking arsesssss off .

Greatest experince i ever had with GNR was singing SCOM live right along with Mr. Rose

The last I checked Hamilton only had limited tickets available in the $90 range, $60 tickets and floors were sold out.  Most of the other venues GNR have shows at aren't selling quite as hot but still better than I had expected with five shows within a few hours of driving from the Greater Toronto Area.  I am only going to the Hamilton show.  It's not in the budget to do more unfortunately.

Agreed. I'm beside myself excited with the chance to see GNR! I couldn't care less how many tickets are sold.

GUNS N' ROSES: Korean Ticket Sales Break Records - Nov. 17, 2009

Kim Hyung-eun of JoongAng Daily reports that GUNS N' ROSES' will visit Seoul next month for its first gig in Korea.

"Tickets sales have already broken records set by other successful concerts we organized earlier in the year, like the LADY GAGA show this August," Yvette Moon, a manager at Access Entertainment, said on Monday.

Read the entire report from JoongAng Daily.

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its just talking points for the naysayers.   the people who are so upset that GnR is about to tour, they look for every little thing they can to call it a failure just so they can promote their own agendas.

Who the hell is upset about GNR touring?!  Def. not us in Canada!!!!!!  The shows will all sell out. IMO

this is laughable. the guy asked a question. im no naysayer and cd is my favorite album, but i would like to see how the shows are selling.

Theres no way of knowing though.

Because?

I'm curious as to why you need to know how the shows are selling?


I'd love to see every show sell out in a minute, but that's not something I "worry" about....

I get that some people want to know for legit reasons, like wanting to attend but have no money right now so they wanna know if it's gonna be sold out soon...


But then we have those who "obsess" over things like ticket sales (so they can point out how wrong GN'R is for playing in so-and-so place), what songs were not played (so they can point out what kind of set GN'R needs to play), how many people they saw leaving before the last song was over (to prove more of their non-existant theories) etc.

I'm not trying to piss off anybody who's interested in ticket sales for a "legit" reason, but I've seen the same shit happen so many times that it's not a surprise to me anymore.



Before every tour we get the same kind of posts from the same morons who "know better". They have already decided that GN'R's setlist isn't good enough... Seriously. How the fuck can you know before the tour has even started?

Not saying the thread starter is one of them since I honestly don't know....

But in the end, they're not going to the shows in Asia or Canada.




/jarmo

I'm very happy for you guys in Canada.   A little jealous too.  :P

I also think the shows will sell well, with a good number of sellouts.

sadly, there is a portion of the GnR fanbase who resents the band now and who look for any reason to bitch about anything they can.  You can tell they are pissed off that GnR is about to tour.   Thread after thread its bitch moan complain, and definitely assume the worst.  all under the guise of being a "realist".  (its not really happening here so much as the other gnr boards.)

I need to get on ticketmaster and look into a few of the Canada dates


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I think once they play in Asia, the Canuck Gunners will see that this is for real and gobble up those tickets.

That's my feeling.

i'm just saying it was quick jump of the gun and i understand where you are coming from, but the poster just asked a question. he doesn't "worry" as you put it.

that korean news is great news and it deserves attention. setting records in ticket sales is commendable.

all I know is it will probably very last minute for me to get to a show in Canada, and I sure as hell hope there is 1 tix at least when I can commit ...I have many friends, Ill probably meet up with, but end of the day its fucking exciting GNR are touring, and the next show will be my 20th, so come hell or whatever, I will find a way!

There are 3,000 tickets left in Seoul. This is awesome, as Koreans tend to leave buying things like concert tickets until the last minute. Billy Joel is huge here, and though he sold out, people were able to buy tickets on the night.

what is the capacity of stadium in seoul?

80% of the tickets sold, a few weeks before the show. This seems pretty good. Does it compare to bands like AC/DC, Metallica and Co in South Korea?

Wow, I was just asking for curiosity sake.  I just want them to tour the US, even if the shows close to me don't sell out.  ( ie: Philly, Baltimore).  I figured they were probably going to sell very well outside of the US.  So from now on I'll keep my curiousity  to myself.  I don't claim to be an "insider" just love Gn'R and want to see Axl and company out there. It is not an obsession just was wandering if anyone knew is all. Oh and as far as where Gn'R plays who cares, would love for them to play the Carpenter Center at the U. of Delaware. (Elton John has!) But anyway.....

All right.


So I guess you can relate to what I said. Imagine if they did play at your university and people were saying shit like "they should've just played one show in DC"...




/jarmo

Correct.

Since Jarmo was the one who originally posted the "Korean news" in the other thread...I think he gets that part. :)

I'm not sure if this should be posted on this thread or not, but be careful when buying tickets. A co-worker bought two tickets for the World Series at Yankee  Stadium. He spent $600 and it turned out to be fakes.

Jarmo, it is all cool man, no worries.......

You're right. It's got nothing to do with GN'R.





/jarmo

buy your tickets from legit sellers.  :yes:


well they seem.  :yes:

you can still get tickets beside the stage in the lower level in saskatoon. for one promotion for this show has been zero WTF bullshit. Two ticket prices are a little expensive for the average fan. Three who is guns n roses the average person still has no idea who is in the band, this band is fucking kick ass, for this tour world tour to be successfull we need promo in the form of radio internet new video NOW.

For this tour to be success in my eyes, I need to see it and I've got my ticket!
 :beer:

There's many things to consider when staring blindly at ticket sales.

A lot of people want to go but they need to figure out how. I'm not talking about how to get to the venue or who'll babysit the kids.

We're still not over the recession. That does affect things like ticket sales, no matter if you want to admit it or not.

That in addition to the above mentioned facts should be taken into consideration....





/jarmo

Yeah really.

I'm not kidding when I say alllllllll the stars had to align for me to be able to swing this London trip. That was the only thing holding me back and I'm so happy I was able to make the purchase.

I can't believe an innocent question turned into a thread about people wanting GNR to fail for their own "personal agendas". Who are these mysterious "naysayers"? And what exactly are their "agendas"? Paranoid much? Seriously guys, lay off the reefer  : ok: I think everyone here is happy to hear that GNR is touring again whether they can make it to a show or not.

The naysayers aren't so "mysterious" to me. They're all over the place. I'm not saying the Original Poster had ulterior motives for his question, but to act like a lot of people on these forums aren't negative is unrealistic. 

I will admit the mygnr forum is terrible for that. But that's why we're here and not there. Let them have their own little party and we won't worry about them.

Right, but you've been around a while. You know how it works here. I totally get what you're saying but I understand why the management here has to take the attitude they do.

They've made it clear how and what they want posted but people continue to post all sorts of negative stuff or still try to spin whatever they can into something negative. I mean... look at the  Donnington thread. You've got a person who asked if GNR might play Donnington this year and some how you have a people posting negative "reviews" and thoughts based on watching clips on You Tube from the last show they weren't even at last time.

All of that is just my guess on why some members (not the least of which, site management) gets defensive on some subjects.

youd think that'd be only @gnr forums but in reality it's not.

there're strange people who see the need to belittle anything possible in order to feel their miserable selves relatively better.
(i don't mean people here.)

online, i even saw some posts claiming fully packed shows as i saw to have been empty just because they weren't officially "sold out".

Great bands are recession proof. U2 is selling out 40-90,000 seat arenas with ease. GnR is a great band with a storied past that will have to work to become reputable with fans again. A consistent line-up of supporting cast members, as well as a promotion drive are keys to the future success. Something as little as lending a song to 'The Hills' or presenting an award at the Grammy's would do more for the image of Guns than any tour at this point. The US can't and shouldn't be ignored any longer.

I would say the tickets are selling exactly as expected under the circumstances; not bad.

only reason i am curious is cause im of mind that a us  tour could rely heavily on how well canada  does

That is true.  That's why I'm only going to one show instead of the five within driving distance.  And that's why one of the people I bought tickets for backed out at $100 a pop, she'd rather buy Christmas presents for her daughter than go to a rock show until 2:30am on a work night.

Exactly!

people think sales don't matter but they really do.  If the Canada shows didn't sell, i guess when it comes to Europe, they'd have to scale down. Right?
Or on the Flip side, maybe upgrade.

Very true.... I personally hope when they come to the US they do scale back and play smaller places...

Then people would be bitching they cant get tickets... That what i'd consider positive bitching!!

lol!  :beer:

i actually enjoy smaller shows better too!

I highly doubt whether or not a US tour happens is dependent on Canadian tour sales.  Unless you can come up with some quantifiable relationship between how a tour sells in Canada and how it will sell in the US, I don't see how you can draw any conclusions from how the Canadian tour sells.

Ali

I think there would be SOME indication based on Canadian sales.. If they sold less than half capacity shows, why would they do the same thing in the US??

The shows seem to be doing fine in canada, so there should be no worries about that... But they cant go @ it in the US w/ no promotion

Looking back to the previous tours...

2007:
Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan: Great.

2006:
Canada: Great
USA: Great, but with people whining about ticket sales
Europe: Great



Very simplified, but you get the point.

And now we got a bunch of (jealous ;) ) Americans asking how ticket sales are in Canada.


It's obvious the world outside the USA is more supportive of GN'R. As long as people keep focusing on the things that they should be the least concerned about (ticket sales etc.), instead of focusing on enjoying the shows, things won't change.

As long as people have that kind of mindset, don't be upset when tours start outside your country. Tour where people love you or tour where people whine about the shows before the tour has even started? Tough choice!


I guess some of the "true fans" who've kept whining about shit for years expect GN'R to just tour the USA first. There's a whole world out there that don't whine about the setlist before the first note has been played or whine about where the band plays. People who are excited about the prospect of a tour and hopefully they'll get to see the band play. Now that's a true fan.





/jarmo

I am truly thankful I live so far north in the US so I can skip across the border and catch one of these shows. I live in Southeast Michigan, so London is about a 2 hour drive. There's a place in Western Michigan called Grand Rapids that alot of tours come to if they don't hit Detroit. That's about a 2 hour drive as well and I've driven over there for many shows so when I found out that London was just 2 hours in the other direction I was delighted!

All my worries about ticket sales ended as soon as I was able to order mine!
 :beer:

Isn't it funny though?

When you're going to the show and you have that to look forward to, suddenly shit like the setlist doesn't really mean a whole lot.

Seriously, you're gonna see the best band in the world. If you were fortunate enough to see them in 2007, that was over two years ago. If you saw them in 2006, that was three years ago.

The album's out, we know the songs by now, DJ's in the band. It'll be a totally different experience to 2006 or 2007.

Can't wait!





/jarmo

The Disc Was x 3 Platinum In Canada and USA Sold 1 Million + 1 ... They say that our ticket sales are not good ??

Some are drunk seems ...

Well, I'm a little offended.  I don't think Americans are the only ones who complain about the set list or ticket sales.  I don't complain about either.  And the poor fans in South America have been asking for GNR since it was promissed back at Rio.  They were never refered to as jealous.  I don't think any one fan from any one country is a better fan than another.  We're all GNR fans.

Yep! Last time I saw them was November of 06. They were playing alot of songs slightly different by the end of the 07 tour (from the bootlegs I've heard) so I'm super excited for the whole experience.

I don't usually find myself complaining about setlists but I admit I'm leary of DJ. I really, really liked Robin. More so than the guy before him. But I'm sure I'll get over it and have a great time!
 :beer:

I'm afraid you missed the whole point.


I didn't say anybody was better and I also pointed out how I made a very simplified statement about the tours. Meaning it's kinda obvious that not everybody in USA or elsewhere are that way.

I thought it was obvious.



Maybe the South Americans aren't jealous because it's not a country and GN'R hasn't scheduled a tour north of the border? ;)



/jarmo

...because the only people who go to GN'R shows in America are obviously on your message board talking about ticket sales  ::)

Well you'd be one of them now wouldn't you.
 
:P



Many of them don't even attend any shows. Doesn't stop them from whining though....

So if you take a quick look at where people do appreciate GN'R, suddenly the USA doesn't top that list.

It seems to me that a GN'R tour is more welcomed elsewhere without the stupid negativity. Especially before a tour has even started.

That's my impression. You might disagree.





/jarmo

i think everyone on this site must like GNR.

But, because we're discussing the band all day, its ok to speculate on ticket sales, album sales etc etc etc etc etc.  Otherwise, i dont see the point in clicking the logon button.

As long as its in good will and not just someone just looking to get a reaction

I am a diehard American guns n roses fan since the very beginning -- i was 21 years old when the band came out and their music was the soundtrack of my twenties. I've seen every lineup since Appetite and look forward to each tour. As far as the U.S. not getting the tour first (or second, or third...), well, of course i would love for gnr to play the U.S. as soon and as often as possible, but it makes total sense to me that the band plays elsewhere first. It seems to me that outside of the U.S. people are more recpetive to the new music and don't have as much of the "it's not gnr without Slash..." bullshit. I love the new music, the new lineup, the evolution of the band. I'm looking forward to seeing DJ on guitar just like i was excited about Bumblefoot. If it was my band, i would play in the coutries where the new music was accepted for what it is -- great fucking music!!!  So am i bummed out that there isn't a US tour in the near future? Of course. Does it make sense to me? Definitely. As soon as the Canadian shows were announced, me and a friend of mine got tickets for the Toronto show. I've never been there, i had to get a passport for the first time in my life, most people i know think we're crazy to go to Canada just for a concert in the middle of winter -- and i can't fucking wait!!!! I'm looking forward to a kickass road trip and a rockin good time!

I could be wrong, but it seems like the UK press is even more brutal to Axl than the media in the US.

He is a pretty easy target for the media.

I got the impression that overall, the UK press were more hostile to CD than the American press. Classic Rock is the only UK magazine I can think of, off the top of my head, that gave it a positive review.


I'm not sure about this business of certain country's fans being more supportive. I don't think that's the kind of thing anyone can judge based on what they read on an internet site. :-\

Yeah.



It seems like people took what I said personally.

I thought it was obvious that it was a generalization and very simplified look at how things are.

Apparently not since a few of you feel personally targeted and insulted.

I'm sorry about that, I thought I made it clear that not all American GN'R fans are that kind of whiners.


But I see certain kinds of people only post when they got something negative to say. So there's a tour announced, they don't care. There's some good news that might not directly involve them, they don't care.

Unless they feel like ridiculing it.



The whole idea of this site is to not cater to those people.

I don't care if you're not attending shows in a country far away. It's unfortunate that you can't, but don't dare to ridicule it or try to bring down those who are excited/happy/attending/looking forward to the shows.

What kind of a fan site would make you feel guilty for being excited about seeing the best band in the world on tour? Not this one.




/jarmo

Jarmo - why not just delete this thread? by constantly berating those that do just want to be negative, you're making their voices even louder (and inadvertently alienating some true die-hards). 

there are plenty of what you would consider "A+" fans that are genuinely interested in ticket sales. who hasn't checked total sales of their favorite bands, whether it be record or ticket sales? we all do it.

we want to see them do well so that the GnR machine continues to roll on. if the tour starts taking off, it increases the chances of more good things down the road. but those same fans that do support the band don't care very much if ticket sales are weak. it's not a big deal.

and for anyone questioning the US' love of GnR....should we total up all the ticket sales this decade where GnR was actually a headliner? i think if we did, suddenly the US' support for this band looks a little stronger than many of you like to portray. also, that 5 million in record sales figure...i believe 1/5 of that is from the US alone.

No, I'm trying to make the silent supportive fans understand that the behavior they might see from certain fans isn't necessarily the norm.

The negative minority doesn't have to be the most vocal group.... That can be fixed.



Once again, somebody took what I said personally.

No matter how many times I explain it, it doesn't fucking register.

"You said something bad about USA! How dare you!".


Yes, the USA is a huge market, yes there are real GN'R fans in the USA, no not everybody is a whiner who knows what's best for GN'R.


And since some of you like to read what I post so you can make comments elsewhere, I have a surprise for you. Yes, I do have a mind of my own!

Surprise!

If I say something it's my opinion. Otherwise I would say so. Fucking conspiracy theorists everywhere.



Did I say the USA don't deserve a tour? No I didn't.

That would be moronic.

The fact that what I said gets this kind of reaction kinda proves my point. People don't like being called out on the shit they do.

Can you seriously say that since the last US tour, some people haven't been focusing on the "half filled arenas" instead of focusing how fucking awesome the shows were?

---

A short version of what I've said for those who might not have time to read it all:

I don't hate the USA.

I don't think all US GN'R fans are whiners.

I hope the USA gets a GN'R tour.

People should understand that negativity and whining isn't constructive.

My posts are my opinions and my points of view, nobody else's unless it specifically says so.

Do I think other countries seem more enthusiastic about GN'R or rock concerts in general? Yeah, that's how it looks to me. If that offends you as an American, I'm sorry.

If it makes no sense to me how you're whining about a setlist for a show from a band, that's supposed to be your favorite band, and especially if you don't even get the chance to see the band on tour every year, I'm sorry.




/jarmo

Whitesnake Without S. Vai, Not exist?

Ozzy Without R. Rhoads Not Exist?

Metallica Without Cliff Burton & Dave Mustaine Not Exist ?

Guns N' Roses Whithout Buckethead & Slash Not Exist ?

Please... This theme Is Old... Only Ignorants & No Fans/Haters Of GNR Can Discussions This. You Believe Sales Is Bad ??.. NAHHHHHHHH... Wait Moment, I Believe Canada Several SOLD OUT, And IF Not ?

NOT INTERESTED IN ME,  It Comes Amazing Tour, New Music, New Scenarios, Visual, Surprises, etc, etc..

GUNS N' ROSES AGAIN Kick Ass ?? Comming Soon... More Info Man.

 :beer:

guns n roses don't excist without buckethead?????
the most stupiest thing ever

BTW GNR still excist....

NO Jarmo - i didn't take ANYTHING you said personally. relax, bro. and stop being so paranoid.

you gave YOUR opinion (as did some others about the "U.S. negative BS"). i gave MY opinion. simple as that. i think it's ok for 2 gnr fans to disagree about something. no hard feelings.  :beer:
(and for the record, those comparisons do not make much sense because of all the factors involved. it's impossible to get an apples to apples comparison.)

and i also disagree with you about rock concerts in the U.S. what are you basing your opinion on? several rock bands are selling out venues of all sizes all over the U.S. (again, i'm not offended...just offering my opinion.  : ok:)

Yes, bands sell out concerts in the USA too.

I'm basing my opinion on the fact that it seems to me like the level of loyalty seems to differ between certain parts of the world.

I think a lot of people have noticed that crowds are different in different parts of the world. Maybe to you the US crowds are the most loyal and enthusiastic.

That's fine.

I might disagree with that.

It's not a question of who's the best, just pointing out differences.

All true GN'R fans are awesome!






/jarmo

I own a copy of Chinese Democracy and Jarmo just said i was awesome, now i can die a happy man  :smoking:

You had to ruin it. You just proved me wrong.

Fuck!  :'(



/jarmo

this day got even better, I proved jarmo wrong and he admitted it! now i'm gonna eat my bacon, cause bacon's good for me

Well no, I didn't say anything about ticket sales actually.  I could care less.  I'm just on your message board.


Actually, based on the almost 15 years I've been "trolling" your board in some way or another - though admittedly you'd know the demographics better than me - I'd say well over half the people who post aren't from the U.S. so i'm assuming a good percentage of whoever's talking about ticket sales don't live in America.

Personally, I bought the album and the vinyl, I go to the shows, I don't care how many people are there, I'd enjoy an altered setlist on this tour but I'll take what I can get.

Regarding going to countries other than the U.S. to start next year's tour, the truth of it is less "they don't want to play where a tiny fraction of their fanbase complains on message boards" and more "Chinese sold way better outside the U.S. where it wasn't confined to Best Buy".  Maybe you disagree.

Also outside the US (at least in my country which is in the EU) also a lot of people say 'it's not GN'R anymore without Slash and the other old members....
So I don't think this kind of 'idea' lives in the US only...

outside the us, don't they tend to be fans of particular music magazines and critics? 

I gotta say that I DO care about ticket sales....just as much as I care about GNR promoting themselves to help that cause.  Do I listen to GNR in my car or at home by myself and enjoy it not giving a rats ass if anyone else likes it?...yes!  Would I attend a GNR concert in a half empty building?...yes!  However, when concerts are sold out, or close to, it is a special experience.  The energy from the crowd not only gets in your veins, but it also helps with the band and they often feed off of it and produce more energy themselves.  This is why I hope that as time goes on, this album will continue to sink into peoples heads, GNR will eventually make some public appearances, make a couple videos, more singles, etc.  When they come back to the USA, I would love to attend the concert in a packed house and be able to say...GNR is back!  I want these new players to get noticed as much as possible, because they have done a hell of a job.  And when this happens, I can official say fuck off to all those people who can't get over the fact that Slash is gone.       

I also think that maybe those two are related. Maybe an album sells more in places where people might be more supportive and/or more open minded.




/jarmo

look, i'm an american and i love my country, but jarmo is right.  we are known for being very close-minded people.  especially when it comes to guns n' roses.  they're so quick to judge axl here and hold a biased opinion against him for not doing everything the american media wants him to do.  okay, american fans, you didn't like the VMA performance... neither did axl!  you didn't like the 2k2 tour... fine.  not nuts about the leaks, okay got it... but at a certain point you just have to keep an open mind and realize that just because you didn't like a handful of gnr's performances or songs, it's not the whole picture.  it's always way more complicated and there are so many things going on behind the scenes at all times that it's almost impossible for an outsider to understand what's really happening or why.  but all you have to do is just simply keep and open mind and have faith that axl knows what he wants and how to get it.  it's not hard for SOME americans to do.  but most americans are the opposite of jarmo.