Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Download Festival 2010 will take place at Donington Park, Castle Donington from 11-13 June with Metallica, Van Halen, AC/DC and Guns n? Roses rumoured to be topping the organisers' headliners' hit list.

http://www.virtualfestivals.com/latest/news/7023/-/Download-2010-earlybird-tickets-on-sale-Thursday

It would be great and, considering Asia, Canada and "not-yet-announced" southamerican tour , it looks very posible.

Man, imagine having all of them att the same festival  :drool:

Hope so, the Isle of Wight Festival is the same weekend  :beer:

go on their myspace page, it's very much announed  : ok:

I don't see southamerican dates, do you?

This is just another rumor, I hope it comes to be but these rumors hit about the same time each year. Same bands as well (Metallica, VH, GNR). Surprised Led Zep, AC-DC, Pink Floyd weren't thrown in for fun.

Donington 88 (Opener) - 06 - 10

Good Idea..

 :peace:

acdc were in there though :hihi:

GN'R to play at the Oscars?
GN'R to play the MTV Awards?

Thanks Elvis the Super Bowl act has been announced.

this show must be for the downloading motherfuckers!! LOL


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They're hitting the road.  They could show up any where especially Europe in the spring and summer.

Isnt Donnington park a building site after its failed attempt to get the grand prix?

It was in this Festival where the band had some troubles with the crowd last tour? I remember, some people of the crowd was shouting "We want Slash" or something like that..

Yes... 5 Haters... Mas Info:

http://www.gunsnrosesonline.com/videos

 : ok:

The band didn't really have trouble with the crowd. Some people in the crowd had a problem with reality.

Obviously you got the usual assholes who throw shit at the bands. But that's always "expected".


As far as I remember, there were some technical issues early in the set and once they were fixed, it was like any other GN'R show. Amazing.





/jarmo

Ahh Ok. I thought the crowd was upset due to Axl Rose had arrived late at stage.

Yeah I remember this too, the stage was too slippery, early on Axl wasn't all too happy but later on that really changed and seemed to have great time as did everyone else in the audience.

Would love to see them play there again.

They went on before their set time as far as I remember....


I also remember the fact that the airplanes taking off from the nearby airport were louder than the music at times. But then it was fixed and GN'R sounded like they were supposed to.

Might've been the winds though....




/jarmo

Its the show where the crowd was pretty hostile for a while but Guns won them over after Axl got pissed and Tommy had a paddy.

What an AMAZING headlines!!. Metallica, GNR, AC/DC and VAN HALEN !!.
It seems the most perfect Festival ever.

to be fair Axl's voice didnt sound too good there, his voice was in much better shape at other 2006 shows. you can verify that and also Axl's mood swings on the unofficial monitor mix audio cd-set from donington floating around.
it was the longest european show setlist-wise and it was the 1st european'06 Izzy performance. also remember Merck took the hellacopters key so Axl can't "fly away" when he was pissed at donington/download?  ;D

And TO BE FAIR again, Axl was sick that day.

"It was also great to read how "Merck took the keys to the copter so Axl couldn't leave" Donnington like I'm James Bond or something. I did make him drive bk to London though!!  "




/jarmo

Wasnt it also the show where Axl nearly got killed in a helicopter accident?

^^any proof for that?
even if so it doesnt change the fact his voice overall was NOT on top there compared to other european shows. and that was part of the original intention of my reply: download'06 had some entertaining stuff to talk about - but his voice just wasnt was it "was supposed to be".

Axl ill and vocal problems since May 25 to 11 June

whatever nothing changes the fact that the crowd there was the worst compared to other shows in europe or to any 06/7 ones.

and it seems that dl crowds are always like that to any non heavy metal act.

Metallica threw bottles the night before

Wait, what?

I totally missed that!  Scary!

this line up would be a dream......I dont think i'd go to another gig after if i went to this.

I hope confirmation comes "soon".......

btw i wpoildn't pour cold water on just yet. Classic Rock mag said acdc would be touring europe again in 2010, guns n roses will be touring in 2010, van halen have been rumoured to tour europe since forever....

the only thing stopping it would be cost imo, after those bands, could the promoters afford anyone else?????? if not my band can warm up for one of them!  :hihi:

Yeah, he mentioned that on the forum-interviews. He gave good props to his pilot's skills avoiding an accident.

Monitor mix isn't really the best way to judge his voice. From audience shots, the Better vocal performance that day was one of his best moments in 2006 IMO. My Michelle from the proshot recording was also an outstanding performance.

I remember something about that, some other helicopter or something was coming from for the one he was in and they almost crashed I believe. Don't quote me on that but I believe that was how it went.

Yeah, I just went back and re-read the chat transcripts.  Axl saw the other helicopter coming at them out of the corner of his eye and yelled, "Watch out!"  The other helicopter wasn't authorized to be in the air, or something like that.

I wish he would tell us more about almost being kidnapped in Istanbul!  Dadgum them.

God Damn that nightrain on there is fucking awesome as hell!! Thats the first time I've seen that. Axl sounded spot fuckin on the entire song.

but you still can hear his voice in the mix....and the "not-for-fans-talking" backstage. also (comparing) the other audience download recordings i'm absolutely not rating his voice in top (for european 2006 shows) overall there. i totally agree on his outstanding vocal "michelle" performance at download, i disagree on "better" though its not bad....but as a comment was written Axl looks more like waiting on a bus than performing on stage during that song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOBBu2et_8k

With technical problems and all, the show was amazing...

 :beer:

People judging shows based on Youtube clips and bootlegs. Priceless.

If you weren't there and saw the whole thing, it's kinda pointless.



Besides, it doesn't have anything to do with the topic...




/jarmo

I noticed on NIghtrain how u couldn't hear Bumble's solo... was that just a bad boot or the sound at the concert?

I always wondered that about Inland Invasion. The streaming sound online was TERRIBLE mix. I assume it was much better in person.

Oh by golly yes!

implying that people are only allowed to judge (parts from) shows when they are there themselves is some out of line, Mr. Jarmo, and can end in very subjective results based on memories mostly only. i'm not saying that the whole live experience should be avoided, way not!! i'd rather support people seeing multiple shows each tour of their fave bands!! but still you can get some facts out of unofficial video and audio recordings. also keep in mind that there are multiple wayyyyy better quality recordings circulating (compared to that youtube-clip) but youtube-clipping is just so easy to use these days. as for the given youtube-clip above it was posted by me only because someone above was praising the "better"-performance vocally there: yes, vocally some ok to me. you can also see Axl there walking pissed, almost not performing opticwise. and if now someone "who was there" is telling me "during better he ran like a panther all the time" then....eh, just not true.
any yes, "nightrain" originally was put on the official gnr site and didnt had Bumble's solo for whatever reasons  ???

But nobody made any claims that weren't true. And yes it's funny seeing the same people who whine about the setlists are judging performances based on bootlegs... Both things have one thing in common, the person wasn't at the show. So if you want to continue the "review" of your "virtual Download experiene", I suggest you find another thread since this one's about a show that hasn't happened yet and we don't know if GN'R will be there for you to review.....



/jarmo

you did! Axl's voice at download'06 did not sound as it was supposed to.
lets hope for them performing at Download'10 with tv broadcast, official soundboard audio so that people going there have something nice to re-live their memories as others aint to judge  : ok:

i was at the barriers at Donny 06' and it sounded pretty good to me.
i admit ive been to better performances, but in general they gave a very good and very acceptable performance and if 2010 is only half as good then ill be happy

to be fair though ive seen the boots and they dont do it justice, the channel 4  pro-shots were fucking awesome though and i think most would agree :headbanger:

I remember Nightrain sounding one of the best songs of the night - for the whole band.  Only thing that might have made the sound a bit weird was a plane flying overhead (which was timely for the "flying like an aeroplane" bits) near the start.  Apart from a few technical problems at the start of the show (and they did start the show early) and a few dickheads in the crowd, this show really did kick in to be amazing - I recall Axl's vocals being in fine form from where I was standing.
If GnR were to do a festival in the UK, it would prob be Download or Reading/Leeds - though they have done both in the past (not Reading though).  Of course I'd go - but personally prefer their own gigs to a festival. 

I know this sounds bias because I want them to play here, but the Isle of Wight festival would be as close to doing an "own show" as any festival in the UK. The mix is so varied that by and large the people wanting to be there tend to watch the bands or they clear off. John Giddings, the promoter has done this as a deliberate ploy to create a great atmosphere and in the main it has worked. This is why I'd love Axl and Co come to Festival Island, you'll get the knockers whatever festival you go to, but the IOW is a holiday destination and people really do get into that mind-set, come on Axl you know it makes sense.

In regards to seeing them playing their own gig, I take that as read, most shows are more intimate in front of their fans, and the fans generally respond like-wise.

Read what I said instead of pulling stuff out of your ass. I was talking about how the airplanes overpowered GN'R and then it was fixed and it sounded like a proper GN'R concert again.

Instead of hearing airplanes, we heard GN'R.


Have you noticed that only people who weren't there are the ones making claims about the quality of the show?

As usual people who were there had a great time while others who sat at home are telling them the band or Axl wasn't on form.....  ::)



Like I said, your comments have nothing to do with Download Festival 2010.....





/jarmo

you can tell which members really hate that GnR are about to go on tour. 

I didnt attend any of the 2001-2007 shows.

with that said, all i can say about the download performance is from what I've heard on bootlegs.

My sensation is that Axl's vocals were irregular that night. We have two songs with the same high quality source: My Michelle, where Axl's voice is simply outstanding, and Paradise City, where Axl's voice is not in top form. I really dont think I need to have been there to realise this. Nightrain has a very low bitrate compared to these two songs, but you can still notice that Axl's voice is again in top form.

We have three pro-shot versions of ''It's So Easy'' in 2006: Roskilde, Rock Am Ring and Inland Invasion. Axl's voice was flawless in the denmark and the america shows, and not that good in Rock Am Ring. I think we can only precisely tell if Axl's voice is good or not if we are comparing the same song recorded in a proffesional way like these three were.

And you dont actually need to have attended the shows to notice that Axl's voice evolved a lot from 2002 to 2006, in the long term of 2006, and from 2006 to 2007.

judging a performance from a shitty audience recording is not the smartest thing to do, i know it. but sometimes (or ALL the times) its the only thing we can do if you're unable to attend the shows like it's my case.

anyway, Axl's vocals, even in their worst form (jungle/PC at VMA's, for example), are better than 90% of other rock singer's voices.

by the way: Axl's vocals are the only thing that can be improved from this band onstage. Instrumentally, this band is Brazil's football team from 1970... a truly dream team.

What you and others who like to point out the "form" don't realize is outside factors.

For example, playing outside where you constantly get dust that's kicked off the ground by the crowd blown into your face, is different than playing inside in an arena.

Now I'm not an expert, but I'd assume sometimes these kinds of things matter. Yet none of you ever consider these things, it's just "he sounded better here and there".



The whole "his voice wasn't on top form" is focusing on the wrong thing in the wrong thread at the wrong time (three years too late).




/jarmo

when there is a (rumour of a) show at the same location again - off course people dig out old memories and will compare with previous performances there, as they also did in this topic.
and off course there are often other circumstances responsible for different sound and/or stage performance at points or in general....but thats part of a live show and doesnt change its still the end result, the performance, people have all their rights to (partly) raise their opinion about.

peace out and thumbs up for a possbile Download 2010 return!!!  :beer:

Everyone has good and bad nights, and from song to song sometimes. Even Axl!  ;)

Bad boot, for sure.

You can hear the solo in the Axl's ear monitor boot

Not sure why everyone's arguing about Download 2006 in a thread about Download 2010 which is a show that might not even happen.

If you want my thoughts (and you probably don't): my money's on Gn'R doing Sonisphere next year. New touring festival that Metallica did last year. I think it would be perfect for guns...http://www.sonispherefestivals.com/

Wouldn't be surprised if they do a few other european festivals too (maybe Rock Am Ring or NovaRock) but for some reason I just don't think they'll do Download.

Guns N' Roses and several other bands are "favourites" to perform at these festivals almost every year. I wouldn't read too much into it unless we have concrete evidence.

its pretty obvious to me that download is only 3 days and they have mentioned 4 top acts metalica, van halen, ad/dc and guns
im pretty sure all of them wouldnt want anything less than top spot

Its hard to tell whether guns would get a better reception this time around. It depends on the days line up. Just look at MCRs 2007 reception, Korn had finished, n ithink Megadeth were on before them. They got raped by bottles as they came on.

The crowd was quite hostile at 2006, there were riots afterwards also. So it could of just been the crowd, rather than the actual performance. Ive seen a few pro shot clips shown on TV from that show n i thought it sounded like a good show. Considering the band were pretty pissed off. Imagine if Axl had done vocals like he did at that show where someone hit him with a coin at the start. Seen a bootleg of that, so fuckin funny when he half arsed the intro to Jungle then told the band to stop.

That's possibly because they're an emo band playing a metal festival.

GN'R isn't nowhere near that genre.




/jarmo

like i said the crowds at dl seem to be always rough on the most headlining acts.
however, what's exceptional and great about gnr's dl 06 gig is that they actually conquered the crowd in the end.
that was a drama of rock n roll.
and this should finish off the offtopi about 06.

i expect the crowd at Download 2010 to be rough again.

Yes, i am aware of the shitstream that MCR are, thank you.

My point was, it depends what bands are on, on the day. Cause that depends on the crowd. You put GNR on a line up that say, consisted of electronic dance bands. The crowd probably wouldnt be so open to guns.  So its the same principal as an emo band headlining above megadeth.

But Download is one of those festivals were rock fans go no matter who plays...

Sure, some go only when their favorite band(s) is/are booked...

But many go every year no matter what.

Chances are, they've heard of GN'R and maybe even like some songs.


That's probably not true for many other younger bands..... Like MCR!





/jarmo

Theres always gonna be sections of the metal fanbase though that hate GNR. You know how fickle and irritating metal fanbases can be!

They are dedicated hardcore fans of the bands they love, but anything else...they are mean bastards haha!

We know Guns N Roses are still a kick ass live band. But many people dont want to check them out with open minds! Which is what happened with 2006, fortunately Axl didnt leave n managed to win them over.  If the line up were more hard rock friendly...theyd probably get a warmer reception upon arriving onstage.

The trouble with Download is that its full of the "It ain't Guns n' Roses without Slash, Duff and (to a much lesser degree) Matt" knobs that surface here. Sad to say that causes much angst in the crowd, on here (and other fan sites) the whining isn't heard but get a group of 'em filled up with beer then it creates a bitch'n attitude to develop.  Those that have that mindset tend to be the vocal one's and want to throw bottles and consider it a job well done if it hits somebody, double bubble if hits a band member. To be fair many festivals are like this, but the (reasonably close) genre issue is intensified at Download.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, this is what makes the Isle of Wight so different. You travel to the Island in a holiday mood, the ferry journey starts that, then you reach a venue where the music is so varied that everybody remains chilled about the acts, because they can go elsewhere and see something they like. I honestly believe if the Band do the UK, they should do the Isle of Wight festival, its unlike anything else. Where else would you get KT Tunstall, Scouting for Girls, The Enemy, NERD and the Sex Pistols sharing the Main Stage? They couldn't be more different,  A real something for everybody festival where everybody is just having a good time.

If you're not "going after" the metal/hard rock crowd, wouldn't Glastonbury be the ultimate UK festival to play at?




/jarmo

Glastonbury is the only UK festival.

Interesting poster on the frontpage of a Finnish metal festival. Now they don't say anything about a certain band, but the imagery tickles a bit. Friday and Saturady still need a headlining band...

http://www.sauna-open-air.fi/

Very interesting.  Looks like a GN'R logo, but none I've ever seen.

Ali

That is of interest, the fact Sebastian Bach is also there means that there could well be a chance Guns N' Roses will be there. The image reminds me of this piece of official Guns N' Roses merchandise:

(http://img.hottopic.com/is/image/HotTopic/923264_hi?)

Selfmade maybe...

would be nice to see guns at there.  :yes:

Seems like GNR will play Europe next year... :peace:

do you know that the next year is just a month and a week ahead !!! :o

Yeah its great!!! ;D

But is it big enough to handle Bono's ego.....?

I have tickets for next year. I have never been the biggest U2 fan but its exciting nonetheless.

GREG

Nah, it always p!$$3$ down there....

What a ridiculous comment.

Another option in the UK if they do the festival circuit is Hard Rock Calling in Hyde Park.

Look at the facts. Glastonbury constantly sells out, it's a tradition, even the biggest acts play it etc...




/jarmo

People give a shit about that thing?

They could do stadium show here, or atleast few sold out arena shows, would be strange if they choose to play in crappy little festival (sauna open air) :P

an open air sauna? strange place for rock concerts :hihi:

Oxegen? It's not in the UK, but it's been voted best festival in the whole of Europe and it's only over the shore in Ireland.

Glastonbury SUCKS

Glastonbury does not suck. It is one of the oldest UK festivals.

I know the man who run Glast though, and I am not sure whether he would go with GN'R. Let's wait and see.

GNR would be a strange choice for Glastonbury - especially since U2 have been announced.

And yes, Glastonbury does not suck.

It would be pretty spectacular if Guns could headline T In The Park, the best UK festival  : ok:

Playing both Glastonbury and T In The Park would be an awesome combination though. Definently would love to see them play a general UK music festival though rather than Download, theres too many punk kids determined to ruin the experience for others.
T In The Park and Glastonbury sell out instantly before the line ups have are even close to being announced because people are happy in the knowledge they will be entertained no matter who is playing and what songs they will hear.

 most of the bands certainly suck. it maybe the oldest UK festival but very recently its been very poor and very overrated

im Irish and i hated Oxegen the time i went.  Usually full of shit bands that i couldnt care for.  actually, i hate festivals in general lol.
I rather just go to a gig were i actually like the band playing.

Why??

Axl & Bono have played on stage together & most any radio station that plays one, plays the other

Just to clear a few things up.

1) Download isn't a metal festival. Never has been, probably never will be. The organisers call it a rock festival, which it is. The line-up has become more and more varied as the years go by. Just take a look at the mainstage headliners for the past four years: 2006- Tool, Metallica, GNR. 2007- My Chemical Romance, Linkin Park, Iron Maiden (Thursday headliner - Scumface) . 2008 - Kiss, The Offspring, Lostprophets. 2009- Faith No More, Slipknot, Def Leppard. I have a feeling GNR will fit in much better nowadays.

2) Axl was awesome in 2006. I was there and really enjoyed it. Granted it was my first (but not last) Guns N Roses live experience but I'm sticking by my opinion  :P

3) Someone raised a very good point regarding the condition of Donington Park. It is indeed basically a building site, however Download was moved from the actual racing circuit to just outside it in 2008. They've since moved it again to abolish the hellish walk of death but from what I heard (I wasn't there this year, first time since 2006 I've missed it) this year's positioning was much better.

Not a fan of festivals either, but Oxegen is still the best.

Because Glastonbury usually has a range of genres for their headliners, unlike Download where it is a rock/metal festival.  Also, it would be rare for a band as big as GNR to headline more than 1 UK festival.  Usually it is written into a contract that they would not play another festival so that promoter has 'exclusive rights' to that live performance for that year.

For an outsider like myself, it definitely looks like Download is aimed more towards the metal/hard rock crowd than say Glastonbury, Reading etc...



/jarmo

when i saw GnR at leeds carling festival the line up was very much metal/rock

slipknot - offspring - prodigy - just to name a few........but i see your point about other festivals playing less rock

Was Aerosmith's only gig in England in over a decade. They do tend to draw in big acts aswell because tickets are around 50 quid or so for a day from memory when I saw Aerosmith, and people tend to pay that for the calibre of the headliner they seem to draw anyway alongside the other bands the rest of the day. Although it is the ultimate middle class day out. Even moreso than V Festival.

GNR playing Glastonbury just seems.... wrong. :P

I know they have bands and artist from different genres, but whenever I hear "Glastonbury" I can't help but hear "indie". Bleh.

Bruce Springsteen, Jay-Z, Neil Young, U2, The Who... Indie? ;)




/jarmo

Maybe it's just me, but in your list I only see one true metalband and that's Slipnot.
Offspring is a popular rockband, but for me..I call them 'kiddie rock'...the kind of pseudo punk rock you like between your 14 and 20's..
prodigy? That's dance! (maybe they have a rock attitude...but the music is not)

I see Guns as (the best) hardrock band, not a 'metal' band; and I have the feeling they are much more appreciated by the rock/metal fans scene and so also in those kind of festivals, than by the more 'alternative / pop rock /...' scene
At least that's what I experience during my festival visits and with the people I know...
 :peace:

Good point.

But I wonder if that's still true with the Chinese Democracy material.

It just seems to me like the kind of album that would also appeal to people who don't listen to hard rock/metal.





/jarmo

Could be... time will tell. Unfortunately,  CD is not very popular - or to put it in a better way 'known album' - in my country; so it's not very obvious which kind of music listners appreciate the new album more
As far as my friends go, it are still the real 'rock lovers' that are more into CD. The others ones not really...too bad for them ofcourse.

I think the tour can make things more clear. How will the band play the new songs, how will DJ Ashba doing...will Guns show some new or 'refreshed' attitude? We'll see.

One thing I'm certain: Great shows will attrack (a lot of) new fans from any genre...
 :peace:

I agree with this a million per cent. The new vibe could go down a treat at Glastonbury, but to play there, barring some major publicity in the UK beforehand, they would have to settle for a lesser slot than they could achieve at any other festival over here.

The thing about Glastonbury is that they have ALL kinds of bands there.  From rap, indie, rock to folk.  Thats the idea behind the festival - to pull down barriers.  There was a massive anti Jay-Z campaign when he played, yet when I saw the set on tv, 80,000 fans where lapping him up.  I can remember going to Reading 07 and listening to bands that I would never really think about listening yet going oput and buying there CD afterwards.

However, I still stick to my idea that as U2 seem to be the big rock act at Glastonbury next year, another rock act like GNR would be unlikely.  Maybe one for the future.  Plus next year is the anniverssary of the festival.  I would expect someone like David Bowie to headline the other night. 

It made one of the Finnish tabloids (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/uutinen.asp?id=1784915).

The headline says: Finnish festival accidentally reveals its headliners?

And then points out the guns and roses in the advert for next summer's festival....




/jarmo

The promoter now denies the rumour and insists that GNR is not coming to the festival. According to the promoter, the images of pistols and roses are common images used in hard rock mythology, like skulls and snakes and stuff, and they have no further meaning in the poster.

http://www.soundi.fi/node/9978/Guns/N%27/Roses/ei/saavu/Sauna/Open/Airiin

Good thing they made that clear!




/jarmo

to be fair to the prodigy, yes theyre more dance but they had a real rock sound on the night and they did impress me.  :peace:

over the course of the weekend the top bands included
Guns, slipknot, offspring, foo fighters, andrew wk, nofx, strokes, janes addiction, prodigy, white stripes, muse, ash, hives, and many many more
 definately a more rock insprired festival than most but not as loud as donny  ;)

but yeah the offspring are more kiddie rock  :rofl:

i think hard rock crowd and metal one differ a bit.
for example, metal fans don't like it when they can't headbang to the music.  :P

monsters of rock at donny 88' was more of a metal festival than rock but did you see the crowd go crazy when guns came on :headbanger:

edit - unfortunatley though i think they went too crazy   :(

I don't know what it is.... Maybe I think GNR are a bit... 'heavy' for Glastonbury. To me, they seem more suited to a festival like Download.

They may very well get a good reception at Glastonbury if they played there, I don't know. I'd hope they would....

i'm a metal fan, would love to go to download one day.. but i dig a couple of hundred songs i guess that i don't bang my head to  ;)

likewise, altho im not a heavy metal fan i dig some heavy metal songs to which i don't bang my head but maybe dance. :headbanger:


Brad, im sure
like they won over the tough download crowd a few years ago, they will pwn Glastonbury (if they play) :headbanger:

Thats why I loved Download 06.  That show showed all the signs of going to shit but from the moment NR was played it turned into one of my favourite GNR shows of that summer.

So true, for a moment I thought I was seeing the end of GN'R as we know it - then after Stinson's rant, Axl, the band, and the crowd went crazy, it was amazing  :love:

I completely agree, I loved that show - the band showed a lot of character and turned the whole thing around after a difficult start.  : ok:

I'm sure "Hired Guns" couldn't have shown the same determination and commitment  ;)

Yeah.

People can watch Youtube clips all they want, or read reviews... But unless you were there and saw the band turn that thing around, you have no real idea about how different the two halves really were.





/jarmo

exactly.  The sun was shining, the show was going to shit and then suddenly something got turned round into one of the most remeberable gigs I have seen.  I honestly thought that after Better the show was going to be over.  Showed to me just how good this band is.  And also how much of a team they are.

I wasn't there, but I think the bootleg gives a pretty good picture of how big of a turn around it was. I listen to it every so often and it's flat out amazing how different the vibe is (even on just an audience recording) from the beginning songs from the end ones.

i didnt get half as many bottles to the back of my head after NR was played  :hihi: :hihi:  it was fucking painful before hand  :)

Sure, you get a feeling for it that way.

But like with every show, there's things that a bootleg doesn't get across. That's what I meant.  :)




/jarmo

All I can say is that whichever festival Guns N' Roses are at, i'll be there.  But Download would be best, they would be most at home there surely.  That or Reading.  Reading always have rock/metal night which I think Guns would be good for.  And I would enjoy.

I agree with you!! Rock In Rio Lisboa is a perfect example...  :(

about 'Download 2010', it?d be perfect to GNR!!  :peace:
I can imagine a High Definition Pro-Shot bootleg!  :o  :o  :o

My friends that I went to college with went to Download each year, I assure anyone, they were not "Gn'R" fans...

Glastonbury or Leeds/Reading it should be for "Gn'R".

btw...

I don't think "T In The Park" would be appropriate  :hihi:.

Guess what, im back, its been a long time but here I am.

Anyway back on topic.

I am a very strong believer that GnR will be playing Reading and Leeds festivals in the UK next summer and I don't think they will be going back to Download so soon.

not sure if they'd be invited back to leeds after going so far over the time limit last time. the local council had to get involved and grant an extension.

And the point is?

The reason for going overtime was because of the delays further down the list having a knock on effect. The Prodigy went miles over the acceptable time for setting up their set (delivered a good show though) and this meant that when Axl 'n co got to set up their gear it was a good hour past its official start time.

So here's the rub, do they refuse to play at all?

Do they do a third of a show, causing the crowd to riot (and there would have been) plus then there would be legal issues about failing to deliver a full set and the payments through enforced closure of the gig for that night. The latter point not being in Axls mind, he said words to the effect " I've come to England to play a concert, I want to play a concert and I'm not gonna cop an Axl does this, Axl does that type deal. I suggest the organisers sort this, cause I don't want there to be trouble, I just want to play my show and for the people to enjoy themselves.

If anybody was at fault for the Leeds late start, it was the organisers not closing acts on time. The point being, if they can't set themselves up in good time, then its their set that get shortened....

I was there, camped for 5 nights. It was very weird, firstly Guns were on early! Axl seemed in a bad mood, a lot of people around me were booing and being pretty negative, looked like Axl might pull the plug early... then he just upped a gear the sun began to set and the guys just kicked everyones asses! It was an amazing turn around, you could just feel the mood shift in the people around. I think Izzy and Sebastian def helped. Big respect to Ron and the guys for stepping in for vocals on YCBM too.

If they are there again so am I !!

neva know man a one off gig and it be fucking hugh!

look at wot the main bloke has said about the yet confirmed headliner!

Download festival organizer Andy Copping has revealed that next year?s Download festival has a headliner that will become one of the biggest news stories of 2010. Who do we think it is?

In an exclusive chat with Metal Hammer, Copping has said: ?What you?ll find when we announce, there?s absolutely no question that we are going to blow people?s minds. I?ve never been more excited about what I?m going to deliver and one in particular is a huge, HUGE news story and there?s also a possibility of one, if not two, other bands appearing at the festival at the very, very top end which are going to shock people because they never thought it would happen. I?m very, very pleased with what I?ve managed to hook for next year?s Download and the story behind it is incredible.?

i was there and it wasnt Guns fault for a change though. most of the previous bands were late and it had a knock on effect,
slipknot had a drum issue and they were late on, offspring followed and they were about 25 mins over, then prodigy ran over their time slot
but Guns got the balme for being late on and the riots that followed  :rant:

Not sure what to do now. Been going to Donington the last 4 years but now fancying Sonisphere next year for a change due to Iron Maiden headlining & also The Cult playing. GN'R returning to Donny would indeed throw a spanner in the works ;D

I totally agree. I didn't mean to be stating otherwise.

Sounds like they've booked AC/DC and Van Halen then.

Well when you compare it to those festivals it would do. Fact of the matter is that the metal fans who like going to Download out of tradition are increasingly being dissapointed by the lack of metal acts on the bill and seek their metal injection from other festivals (Bloodstock, Wacken or Hellfest, usually). But overall Download has a very diverse choice when it comes to rock because it is exclusively a rock festival (although they are starting to branch out by adding acts such as Pendulum and The Prodigy) wheras Glastonbury + Reading/Leeds encompasses a wide range of genres rather than shackling itself to soley rock.

Either-which-way, the fanbase attending Download had evolved over the years. With classic acts like Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Whitesnake and ZZ Top all playing in the same year and being very well recieved I would say that GNR would fit in better with todays Download climate as opposed to 2006's.

However, I'm rooting for Sonisphere. Iron Maiden AND Guns N Roses? Yes please! ;D

I was expecting GnR at Sonisphere too but its Rammstein and Maiden. I think the extra day they've added this year is for campers only (similar to Isle Of Wight) and has Alice Cooper headlining. Hope I'm wrong though.

Well looks like I might be at least half right - http://www.nme.com/news/acdc/48931 (http://www.nme.com/news/acdc/48931)

Plus Metallica have a gap in their tour schedule for the Sunday of the festival (playing belfast the night before), so not a great leap of imagination that they could close Download next year.

Imagine, AC/DC, GN'R then Metallica headlining Download, doesn't get much better than that, esp as Metallica seem to be touring a fair bit with the other big 3 of heavy metal, Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer.

Hi all, sorry for beating this dead horse but I didn't want to start a new thread.  What with the first bands being announced (and what bands!) I was wondering whether there were any GnR/Download rumours at the mo?  It has to be considered, after all Download is one of europe's best rock festivals, and we already have AC/DC there! 

It looks like being a pretty rock n roll line up this year, with; AC/DC, Them Crooked Vultures, Motorhead, Wolfmother, and other decent bands as well.  Much better than last years Limp Bizkit rubbish.

With GnR's tour schedule, it looks as though they will be in Europe around that time as well, so I personally have my hopes way up. 

May I just add even if GNR aint on the bill go to anyway and see Wolfmother! Seen them last week in my top 3 best gigs of the last 10 years.

CELEBRATING 30 YEARS OF DONINGTON HISTORY

Meet the first bands lined up to play Download 2010 and discover the history of Donington?s rock heritage.

NOT GN'R.

What, GNR dont have a history with Donnington now?

GN'R Not Play 2010 Version.

There's only been like ten bands announced, and only one headliner.  Don't give up hope just yet. 

I would not be suprised if GNR dont headline the Saturday Night of Hard Rock Calling.

And you know this how?

Should do a show they haven't done yet, but warrents the Lords of Rock to pay a visit and join the legends such as Hendrix, the Stones, Bowie, the Who Dylan   :beer: (and Goldie Looking Chain  :rofl: ) It has to be the Isle of Wight.

If GN'R were to play a UK festival this year it would be awesome. However, (and this is just because I'm awkward!) I would prefer to see them at their own gig - where they can have as much time onstage as they want.

...and also it would be minus the haters...

Well last time they did festivals + solo shows, I think that would be the coolest.  Can't say no to as many opportunities as possible to see them, can you?

I agree, I was just stating a preference ;)

Major festival announcents due this Monday

United Kingdom United Kingdom | 12 February 2010

Monday 15th February is set to be a big day for the 2010 festival world, with highly anticipated headline announcements due from at least two massive events!

As revealed in a saga of Twitter messages, booker Andy Copping has revealed that Download Festival will be announcing seven new bands, including the two remaining headline acts (after AC/DC were confirmed previously), this coming Monday (February 15). Rage Against the Machine are strongly rumoured to be one of the headliners, with the festival taking place the weekend after their free London Finsbury Park show (announced today). Stone Sour, Billy Idol , 30 Seconds To Mars and Five Finger Death Punch are also expected to be confirmed.

The big question is - who will be the third headliner? There were strong rumours of Aerosmith but that looks increasingly unlikely with various band members rotating in rehab and talk of inter-band litigation flying. VF's spies heard that Nickelback were pencilled as a contingency, and we hope this was disinformation! Rumours more in-line with Coppings claim that his bill will blow our socks off would include a reformed Soundgarden and Guns N' Roses (if the latter does not play Reading & Leeds, which we are almost certain they will). Check back on Monday to find out once and for all!

Dance fans will be much more interested in finding out who is topping the bill at this year's Global Gathering (which returns to Long Marston Airfield on Friday 30th to Saturday 31st July). All will be revealed on Monday.

We will also be unveiling details of the most amazing competition ever devised in the history of festivals!

Have a great weekend and make sure you visit Virtual Festivals first thing on Monday to fill your trousers with the best festival news in the UK.

http://www.virtualfestivals.com/latest/news/7252

i think this would work well - pearl jam already confirmed for friday. GnR for sat or sunday would be great and its at end of June. my fingers are tightly crossed.  more so than for Reading/Leeds or isle of wight. but hey, any UK gig is fkn fine with me! not sure if they'd do Download again so soon after last time.
I'm THERE wherever they play here though  : ok:

Is that article suggesting GNR may be playing reading and leeds?  Rock am Ring would be cool that was the best bootleg of the 2006 tour.