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Title: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: SINSHINE on November 15, 2009, 03:16:27 PM
I can only find the platinum status listed on RIAA's site for CD...not the actual sales numbers thus far (coming up on a year). Anyone know where I can find the number of albums sold (total) for the year so far?


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: +Rocker+ on November 15, 2009, 03:41:32 PM
There's nothing offical, except RIAA' status.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: 1987 on November 15, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
did they ever release better as a single?  i still think song could have been huge.  sale would have been much better if they followed up CD with another single..   to me better always had that classic GnR sound.. yet it was totally progressive and sound nothing like anything i've heard before.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: faldor on November 15, 2009, 04:35:31 PM
did they ever release better as a single?  i still think song could have been huge.  sale would have been much better if they followed up CD with another single..   to me better always had that classic GnR sound.. yet it was totally progressive and sound nothing like anything i've heard before.
They did release it as a single, but it didn't seem to be picked up by every radio station.  Not sure why that was.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: HBK on November 15, 2009, 09:02:32 PM
5.5 millions ??


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 15, 2009, 09:16:53 PM
5.5 millions ??

He asked for American sales only.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: HBK on November 15, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
5.5 millions ??

He asked for American sales only.

mmm..

1 Million + 1


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 15, 2009, 09:57:20 PM

No.  Not even a million.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 15, 2009, 10:58:40 PM

If it isn't a million, how is it certified platinum? I thought RIAA certs were for U.S sales only...


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: GNR4L on November 15, 2009, 11:23:01 PM
did they ever release better as a single?  i still think song could have been huge.  sale would have been much better if they followed up CD with another single..   to me better always had that classic GnR sound.. yet it was totally progressive and sound nothing like anything i've heard before.
They did release it as a single, but it didn't seem to be picked up by every radio station.  Not sure why that was.

Cause radio stations were biased cause it was only Axl in the band.... politics of the music industry.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: HBK on November 16, 2009, 12:11:27 AM
did they ever release better as a single?  i still think song could have been huge.  sale would have been much better if they followed up CD with another single..   to me better always had that classic GnR sound.. yet it was totally progressive and sound nothing like anything i've heard before.
They did release it as a single, but it didn't seem to be picked up by every radio station.  Not sure why that was.

Cause radio stations were biased cause it was only Axl in the band.... politics of the music industry.

False.

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Special Guest: IZZY & Sebastian


Good Luck.

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Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 16, 2009, 12:34:40 AM

If it isn't a million, how is it certified platinum? I thought RIAA certs were for U.S sales only...

Yes, RIAA is for U.S. sales.

But it was certified platinum because Best Buy purchased 1.3 million units from Universal...they haven't sold all the copies obviously.  You can certify by shipping units, rather than selling them.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 16, 2009, 12:52:29 AM

If it isn't a million, how is it certified platinum? I thought RIAA certs were for U.S sales only...

Yes, RIAA is for U.S. sales.

But it was certified platinum because Best Buy purchased 1.3 million units from Universal...they haven't sold all the copies obviously.  You can certify by shipping units, rather than selling them.

Oh, right. The OP wants to know how many were sold. That number is hard to come by. I think Nielson Soundscan keeps track of that but you have to be subscribed to get the info.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 16, 2009, 01:27:43 AM

If it isn't a million, how is it certified platinum? I thought RIAA certs were for U.S sales only...

Yes, RIAA is for U.S. sales.

But it was certified platinum because Best Buy purchased 1.3 million units from Universal...they haven't sold all the copies obviously.  You can certify by shipping units, rather than selling them.

Oh, right. The OP wants to know how many were sold. That number is hard to come by. I think Nielson Soundscan keeps track of that but you have to be subscribed to get the info.

Dude, you wanna trip out on something?  You have to be a Billboard subscriber now too for their basic charts!  I remember being able to check out Billboard charts for free not too long ago.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: bolton on November 16, 2009, 02:24:00 AM
very stupid...they already sertificed as platinum
platinum in us=1.000.000 \copies


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 16, 2009, 02:34:15 AM
very stupid...they already sertificed as platinum
platinum in us=1.000.000 \copies

FOOL, did you read what I posted?



Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 16, 2009, 03:30:47 AM
The best numbers I could get using Google: At the end of April 2009, Chinese Democracy had sold 572,578 units. FWIW.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: SINSHINE on November 16, 2009, 09:11:49 AM
Thanks. Yes, I know CD's platinum cert verifies 1 million copies (shipped). This was official in February.

Long story short, I've got a bet going with a friend of mine that CD would sell (ship) more copies within it's first year of release than Contraband did. I OBVIOUSLY made this bet back when Contraband first came out...had no way to predict the complete lack of promotion for CD or a proper tour for it upon it's release.

We tracked down Contraband's first year sales numbers from RIAA...somewhere around 1.85 million (we rounded it off to 2 million). With less than a week left for CD's first year, I'm trying to find the actual number of units shipped via RIAA's resourses.

Anyone else have a way to track these numbers down?


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: falungong69 on November 16, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: FunkyMonkey on November 16, 2009, 10:13:33 AM
From May 15th...

"Chinese Democracy" was officially certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on February 3, 2009 for shipments in the United States in excess of one million copies. According to Nielsen SoundScan, the CD has sold 578,000 copies in the U.S. so far.

Blabbermouth.net


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 16, 2009, 10:14:54 AM
is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy. I'm sure Jay-Z is responsible for this. He must be afraid that if the true number of units sold are known,
he'd have to invite a rock-star to play on his next album. Must be that.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: +Rocker+ on November 16, 2009, 10:15:29 AM
No way. Don't be paranoid  :hihi:


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 16, 2009, 10:16:36 AM
From May 15th...

"Chinese Democracy" was officially certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on February 3, 2009 for shipments in the United States in excess of one million copies. According to Nielsen SoundScan, the CD has sold 578,000 copies in the U.S. so far.

Blabbermouth.net

That kind of meshes with the number I found. I'd say it has sold from 600,000 to 700,000 units so far in the U.S.
International seems to be in excess of 5 million.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: falungong69 on November 16, 2009, 10:18:15 AM
is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy. I'm sure Jay-Z is responsible for this. He must be afraid that if the true number of units sold are known,
he'd have to invite a rock-star to play on his next album. Must be that.

joke all you want, but anybody who follows gnr knows how the media loves to misquote and twist words to fit their anti-axl agenda.  so i wouldn't be surprised one bit if they tried to make CD look like a disappointment in any way they can. 

no, it has nothing to do with jay z.  you are a funny, funny man.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: HBK on November 16, 2009, 10:18:47 AM
Today ChinDem Sold More Of 1 Millions Of Copies in US.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 16, 2009, 10:19:58 AM
is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy. I'm sure Jay-Z is responsible for this. He must be afraid that if the true number of units sold are known,
he'd have to invite a rock-star to play on his next album. Must be that.

joke all you want, but anybody who follows gnr knows how the media loves to misquote and twist words to fit their anti-axl agenda.  so i wouldn't be surprised one bit if they tried to make CD look like a disappointment in any way they can. 

no, it has nothing to do with jay z.  you are a funny, funny man.

Nielsen Soundscan is not the 'media'. They make a money out of this, so their reports can be deemed accurate.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: falungong69 on November 16, 2009, 10:23:44 AM
is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy. I'm sure Jay-Z is responsible for this. He must be afraid that if the true number of units sold are known,
he'd have to invite a rock-star to play on his next album. Must be that.

joke all you want, but anybody who follows gnr knows how the media loves to misquote and twist words to fit their anti-axl agenda.  so i wouldn't be surprised one bit if they tried to make CD look like a disappointment in any way they can. 

no, it has nothing to do with jay z.  you are a funny, funny man.

Nielsen Soundscan is not the 'media'. They make a money out of this, so their reports can be deemed accurate.

well that settles it... if they got paid $, then whatever they say MUST be true, right?


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Genesis on November 16, 2009, 10:28:28 AM
is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy. I'm sure Jay-Z is responsible for this. He must be afraid that if the true number of units sold are known,
he'd have to invite a rock-star to play on his next album. Must be that.

joke all you want, but anybody who follows gnr knows how the media loves to misquote and twist words to fit their anti-axl agenda.  so i wouldn't be surprised one bit if they tried to make CD look like a disappointment in any way they can. 

no, it has nothing to do with jay z.  you are a funny, funny man.

Nielsen Soundscan is not the 'media'. They make a money out of this, so their reports can be deemed accurate.

well that settles it... if they got paid $, then whatever they say MUST be true, right?

Since I don't think anyone else tracks albums sales, it's the only number you get. I wouldn't say it's 100% accurate,
but I certainly don't think they are making any money by under quoting the number CD sold.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Loaded NightraiN on November 16, 2009, 10:28:49 AM
The best numbers I could get using Google: At the end of April 2009, Chinese Democracy had sold 572,578 units. FWIW.

From May 15th...

According to Nielsen SoundScan, the CD has sold 578,000 copies in the U.S. so far.


Might as well round up to 600,000 for your bet.... Well below the 2 mil for VR


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 16, 2009, 12:37:33 PM
Today ChinDem Sold More Of 1 Millions Of Copies in US.

Two people with reliable sources say otherwise.

Unless a million people rushed to Best Buy, knocking people over, to each buy a copy TODAY.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: oldgunsfan on November 16, 2009, 01:50:48 PM
The best numbers I could get using Google: At the end of April 2009, Chinese Democracy had sold 572,578 units. FWIW.

From May 15th...

According to Nielsen SoundScan, the CD has sold 578,000 copies in the U.S. so far.


Might as well round up to 600,000 for your bet.... Well below the 2 mil for VR

who cares how many CD sold or contraband?


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: FunkyMonkey on November 16, 2009, 02:49:53 PM
The way I look at it, it's still selling, and with the tour hopefully it will sell more.  :)


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: LunsJail on November 16, 2009, 03:56:43 PM
Thanks. Yes, I know CD's platinum cert verifies 1 million copies (shipped). This was official in February.

Long story short, I've got a bet going with a friend of mine that CD would sell (ship) more copies within it's first year of release than Contraband did. I OBVIOUSLY made this bet back when Contraband first came out...had no way to predict the complete lack of promotion for CD or a proper tour for it upon it's release.

We tracked down Contraband's first year sales numbers from RIAA...somewhere around 1.85 million (we rounded it off to 2 million). With less than a week left for CD's first year, I'm trying to find the actual number of units shipped via RIAA's resourses.

Anyone else have a way to track these numbers down?

I think you lost that bet. CD isn't anywhere near 1.85 million.


is it possible that the media is keeping this information under wraps because they don't want people to know how successful chinese democracy really is?

That sounds like a reasonable possibility.  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: SINSHINE on November 16, 2009, 04:19:14 PM
The best numbers I could get using Google: At the end of April 2009, Chinese Democracy had sold 572,578 units. FWIW.

From May 15th...

According to Nielsen SoundScan, the CD has sold 578,000 copies in the U.S. so far.


Might as well round up to 600,000 for your bet.... Well below the 2 mil for VR

who cares how many CD sold or contraband?

Just a friendly bet between friends that started when he made some kind of comment that Contraband was SO GOOD that there was no way a Slash-less GN'R could sell more in it's debut year.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: SINSHINE on November 16, 2009, 04:25:50 PM
The other thing is this...WHY was CD certified Platinum (more than a million copies shipped) in February, if, as some of you suggest, Best Buy never needed to order more copies after their initial shipment? If that was, in fact, the case, AND if Best Buy did order 1.3 million copies of CD in their exclusive deal, wouldn't CD have been certified as being "shipped Platinum" as the Platinum award recognizes albums shipped as oppossed to albums sold?

Either way, it definitely looks like I will lose this bet  :-\  Too bad...it's a MUCH better album than Contraband is and, if marketed right (at all) it would have certainly eclipsed Contraband IMO.


Title: Re: RIAA numbers for CD's first year?
Post by: oldgunsfan on November 16, 2009, 04:44:31 PM
The best numbers I could get using Google: At the end of April 2009, Chinese Democracy had sold 572,578 units. FWIW.

From May 15th...

According to Nielsen SoundScan, the CD has sold 578,000 copies in the U.S. so far.


Might as well round up to 600,000 for your bet.... Well below the 2 mil for VR

who cares how many CD sold or contraband?

Just a friendly bet between friends that started when he made some kind of comment that Contraband was SO GOOD that there was no way a Slash-less GN'R could sell more in it's debut year.

contraband outsold CD in the US; but they sold about the same globally i think