Here Today... Gone To Hell!

What's Robin up to now that NIN is over ? any new projects ?

he's probably resting after that long tour!   He hasn't changed his website since rejoining NIN.

Here's a really cool article from the LA Times written by Robin's neighbor...

Our neighbor rocks

October 26, 2009

We had our doubts when we heard a rock musician was moving in, but we changed our tune when we got to know Nine Inch Nails' Robin Finck.

In a man's lifetime, he finds he has little influence over two important things: growing older and choosing his neighbors. Usually these two items run separately, but on occasion they come together in unexpected ways. A little more than a year ago, my wife and I were in one of those situations.

We were in a local sports arena standing at the edge of the crowd when a security guard came over.

"Sir," he said, "no offense, but do you know where you are?"

"Sure," I said. "I'm at the Forum."

"And do you know what's happening here?" he asked.

"A concert by Nine Inch Nails."

He nodded, as if I had just passed a test.

"No disrespect, sir," he said, "but what are you doing here?"

I got his drift. My wife and I didn't quite fit the audience profile. She was wearing a plaid blouse and a denim skirt; I had on a Beijing Philharmonic Orchestra T-shirt. Pretty much everyone else was wearing black and was easily 30 years younger than we were.

"I have a pass," I said, showing my wristband.

"Where did you get that?" he asked.

"We are invited guests." I was getting a little defensive. "The lead guitarist is my neighbor. He wants us to see what he does for a living."

The guard's eyes grew wide. "No way!" he said. a

His reaction was exactly how I'd felt some years earlier when the agent removed the "For Sale" sign from the house with which we share a driveway. On paper, the previous neighbors had seemed like a great fit. He was in law enforcement, and she worked for a public utility; still, they turned out to be the neighbors from hell. When they decided to sell, we were overjoyed but apprehensive. I asked what we were in for next.

"Oh, you'll just love them," the agent said. "They're great kids."

Kids, I thought. How can kids afford to buy in an upscale neighborhood? "The gal is just great and so pretty," she enthused. "She was an aerialist with Cirque du Soleil."

OK, a trapeze artist doesn't sound too bad. "What about the guy," I asked.

"Oh, he's so sweet. You're just gonna love him."

"But what does he do for a living?"

"He plays a musical instrument in a group," she said, eyeing her car nervously.

"Which group?" I asked more pointedly.

"He's the lead guitar for the rock group Guns N' Roses," she said. "But you're gonna love 'em." She raced for her car and was down the drive before I could react.

I headed for my computer. Clicking on the Guns N' Roses website didn't ease my concerns. Maybe it's him, I thought, or it might be him. It turns out it was the tall, lanky guy with frizzy hair below his shoulders holding a guitar in a cocky manner. There were photos of thousands of crazed fans with hooked fingers pointed skyward, presumably singing unprintable lyrics.

It didn't take much imagination to conjure what was to come. The noise level would be deafening. Our block would be crawling with groupies carrying scissors to clip memorial blades of grass from my neighbor's lawn. They would camp in the street at night, while the odor of marijuana overcame the fragrance of barbecued ribs from my Weber grill.

On the day the new neighbors moved in, a small parade of vehicles came up the driveway. His family, her family and his and her friends. They weren't loud, boisterous or destructive, and the only smoky smells came from chicken and steaks barbecued for the celebration. So far, so good.

Several days later, the rock star came down the drive with a mailbox under his arm. In the spirit of neighborliness, I offered to help him install it. To my surprise, he was an intelligent, gentle young man, friendly and talkative, who had no problem working with his hands. He'd made his money for guitars and lessons by mowing lawns and doing odd jobs in his hometown in Georgia.

"If you ever need help," he offered, "just give me a call."

Praise be to God: a neighbor with tool skills, a work ethic and a willingness to lend a hand. I decided to overlook the hair.

Since that day, Robin Finck and I have helped each other on many projects. There was a trapeze to erect in their sideyard when his wife went freelance. (The unexpected benefit is we can watch her practicing routines while sipping wine on our patio.) One day, while clearing brush on my hillside, he announced he had joined Nine Inch Nails.

We've made only small adjustments in our values. Our taste in music still runs to the Three B's -- Bach, Beethoven and Brahms -- but we started to read rock concert reviews in The Times. a

At the Forum, the security guard was fascinated. "That's awesome," he said.

I'm not sure what he thought was cool, that a rock star lived in the suburbs next to neighbors who looked like us, or that the rock star would deign to speak to the old folks, let alone invite them to a concert?

"Thank you for explaining things, sir," the guard said, giving me one last careful once-over. Then he reached into his pocket.

"Better take these," he said, putting four earplugs in my hand. "You're gonna need 'em."

Boy, was he right.

The next morning, I went up the driveway to give Robin the earplugs, having burned the ends with a match.

"What happened to these?" he asked.

"That's why we had to leave early," I said. "They kept catching fire."

It's great to have a helpful neighbor with a sense of humor too.


Ray DeTournay is a retired television producer. Nine Inch Nails disbanded as a touring group in September.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-detournay26-2009oct26,0,3143713,full.story

robinfincktwits I can remember how upset we all where to not be permitted to film that 'our selves', and here it is. Applause applause.
about 15 hours ago from TweetDeck     

robinfincktwits Wow, I just watched that downward spiral:live video. Thank you TOIOU and all who invested their time and creativity in making that happen.
about 15 hours ago from TweetDeck

Really enjoyed Robin.  Wish he was still in GN'R.

Robin is amazing, i will always be a fan of his. Always

must say it would be pretty cool if he joined GNR for better if they visit a town he's in, just like izzy  :smoking:

yeah I wonder why they got Ashba if they knew a tour wasn't gonna happen til Dec-Jan.  Probaly thought it would happend this past summer... oh well.

i think robin was one of the reason we got no live shows sooner

Thanks Robin For You  :love: & Music For Fans, in my heart forever.

 :smoking:

I'll always miss Robin.

wrong guitarist :hihi:


"fuck off!" :rofl:

that's a nice humorous and heart-warming article.

here is my thing, and since he is no longer in the band i can say some of this


I don't understand why some people have this huge affection with this guy

guy fucking QUIT on Axl not once but twice


totally left him hanging during the biggest moment of Axl's comeback which was the CD release.


of course this thread is very small in posts, so i guess not too many do care.

I agree.  I thought he was cool when he was in GNR and had good tone, but Ashba is the much better choice.   I also never really liked Robin's stage presence, but he is still a great guitarist.  And, yea, it was kind of fucked up that he went back to NIN and kind of bailed on Axl. 

i liked Robin at RIR 3 but his playing just got sloppy and the whole quitting thing just pisses me off. seems he was chasing the highest paycheck.

I don't think he's that great. I've commented several times on how the guy brutally murdered some of Slash's classic solos, like SCOM and November Rain. I like the solo he wrote for Street Of Dreams though and Better, which is the only song on CD Robin has a writing credit for, is actually one of the best songs on the album.

Robin Finck is a session musician.
Robin's choices were either to stay with Guns N' Roses and possibly "never" go on tour with them again (=no money, no gigs no nothing) or go on a guaranteed major tour with NIN.

It's not like hes Axl Rose or Slash who have major writing credits and incomes, and even they have to do tours these days due to low record sales, but a guy with practically none of the above.
Though no one knows what kind of discussions the band had prior to CD release concerning the future of GN'R, but in my opinion Robins choice was understandable.

I agree with both points being raised.

I mean how come some people hate Slash so much for leaving Guns when he said it just wasnt fun anymore?  yet the same people are quick to praise Robin for leaving Guns on the eve of their comeback album.  Thats confusing to me.  I don't think Slash would have ever quit Guns if an album was ready to go. 

But on the other hand, one poster mentions that Robin doesnt even have writing credits so i guess Axl thought it wasnt a big deal to replace him, even if it did delay a few things.

Not sure about that. The guy is a musician, he wants to play. I imagine he just got tired of sitting on his ass waiting for the album to come out.

I dont think it was about getting a payday, I believe he was just simply fed up hanging around waiting on whatever the hold ups were for the last decade. When Trent came knocking it could just have been a choice of sitting around doing nothing for a couple more years or join his old friend on one of the spectacular tours in recent years. He made a choice and I dont blame him. I reckon GNR lost Buckethead, Robin and Brain mainly because they were frustrated with the never ending lack of progression.
I hope the next couple of years will prove more fruitfull, it is looking promising  :)

You don't know shit as usual, The first time Robin went back to NIN his contact with Guns had expired and there was nothing for him to do at that point in time (he said this in an interview back then), this time it's probably the same thing. We don't know why Robin went back to NIN this time, so for you to blatantly make shit up is fucked up. We all know you hate Robin, but spreading lies isn't right.

As for someone saying he doesn't have writing credits, he does on Better and go only knows how many other songs he helped to write that have not been released yet. Stop making shit up to try and prove your points.

oh so his "Contract" was up

thats horseshit.. he was in GNR when it was convenient, he took a gamble and it bit him in the ass this last time.

just don't understand why he gets a free pass


what has led u to believe that he is going to have so many more "writing" credits on other albums? Shit, he was with Axl 10 years and got one song on CD.

If Axl came out tomorrow and said negative stuff about Robin, this place would be so anti robin, it would be ridiculous.

Leaving Axl is bad enough, but then, when he doesn't even give a reason, that shows u he wasn't even classy or man enough to tell Axl on the phone or to his face he was leaving.

that is shitty

shame this thread is heading this way........................

not so sure D, if we'd compare the "finck love" with the "slash hate", that hate comes from the lies of slash, if robin would start talking bullshit (which is pretty unlikely since he's talking with the press even less then axl) then maybe you're right, but it wouldn't take away what robin has done in GNR, just like the hate don't take away anything from slash that he made in GNR

axl haven't always been positive about duff or izzy but the board haven't turned anti-izzy nor anti-duff

I think some of the "Slash hate" is also because he is so popular and successful.  If Slash was just like Robin, no one would care about him, but he is far more successful than Robin.

Id also like to see a list of these so called "Slash lies" if anyone has one? 

then start a thread in VR section and let this thread be about robin

Point taken   :beer:

Look in the VR section. I believe it's a big momma' of a thread called Lies a.k.a. Slash's book : ok:

But what do you care? You've said many times how you don't read a book for "truth," you read it for "danger" :rofl:

just sayin, he turned his back on the fans with no explanation.

dawg, keep slash out of this :hihi:

I couldn't find that topic with the search function and I tried twice to post a topic asking for a list of the so-called "slash lies", but they both got deleted. Oh well..forget it then.

i could find a couple of threads, if you wanna talk abour robin, do so, if not.. well

never said i didnt care about the truth, just said that i dont care for little things like getting a date wrong.

Some of you guys are proving what i said about Slash being so much more popular than Robin.

Why don't you answer the questions D raised about Robin instead of talking about Slash?

I think Robin is great. Finally getting to see him perform with Nine Inch Nails this summer was awesome.

But... it's true that leaving without any explanation was a pretty lame move. Think back to this time last year, when Axl was posting on here... Robin had already been touring for the last six months with NIN (and he was recording/rehearsing for about 3 or 4 months before that), and Axl still had no idea what was going on with him. They had to put something on the official website to tell people that they had had no communication from Robin about his plans.

Now, I do understand his decision, and still think he's a great performer. And I don't necessarily buy into this "he abandoned the fans without explanation" stuff. He didn't owe us an explanation... but his bandmates? The least he could have done was say "I'm touring with NIN for a while, and I'm not sure what I'm doing after that yet"... just to give them a head's up.

this is gonna be a first, axl could have checked with robin, communication should go both ways :P

This is true. But I guess it's the person who's leaving's responsibility to tell his band.

Anyway... other than all of that, Robin is awesome, and I'm hoping he does something else now that NIN as a touring band no longer exist, and he's not in GN'R.

Of course he doesn't know shit. He seeks for every Robin thread just to badmouth him. And it's always making shit up.

ok, show one thing in what i said that isn't the truth


did he quit GNR twice to run back to Trent?  YES    so u should apologize for not knowing shit

Did he leave Axl hanging with CD coming out without explanation? YES  so once again, maybe U should get the facts before coming in here looking like a jackass

U don't just jack a post of mine and spew some bullshit without backing up your lies with some truth.

so either prove me wrong or kindly STFU : ok: : ok:

Why don't you do your own fucking research if your beloved Slash's track record of dishonesty is so important to you.

You've been shown plenty of examples of his lies before by both me and several others, and chose to ignore them either out of systematic denial or poor reading comprehension. Everyone here is more than tired of your bullshit : ok:

U know what?

I'll apologize to the Finck fans

I ain't mad he quit, cause had he not we wouldn't have DJ

so to quote 2pac "I ain't Mad at cha" do your thing Robin

I'm sorry I even started this thread knowing it would come to this.  Then again the bashing doesn't surprise me... HEY GNR is on tour let's talk about that.  ;D

So you know everything that happened between Robin and the band? We just know what has been made public. So YES, once again, you're full of shit.

Wow, tough guy!

What you said is not the full story, period. We may never know what reasons Robin had, as much as you want to put him as this evil dude who left all behind - including his own work.

Your cheap shots at Robin in every single thread leads me to think you actually love the guy. :hihi:

And what about that awful solo in This I Love that Ashba brought us? ::)


Edited to add: not really a shot at the guy, I assume he's quite nervous to play those first GNR gigs. But then, don't come here talking about how Robin was "sloppy" and DJ is flawless, because this couldn't be more far from the truth.

The fact to me is that Ashba can't properly play Robin's solos, unlike Slash ones. Even on the old songs, I rather hear Robin's versions in the old songs than the copycat of Slash takes.

Well, he's probably not used to playing such a random, unmelodious solo. Hell, that thing is so random, it's hard to remember after even so many listens. The fact that a good guitarist like Ashba can't play Robin's solo as well as he does Slash's, IMO, says more about how poor the solo is than his skills.

Great guitar solos are not ambiguous. You don't have half the people who listen to it say that it is crap. If you say that the solos in 'Hotel California', 'Sweet Child O' Mine' or 'Stairway To Heaven' are not good, you either don't know WTF you're are saying or you're biased. Everybody agrees those are exceptional solos.

TIL doesn't even come close.

Jesus. What kind of heartless being do you have to be to not find the solo in This I Love one of the most beautiful things recorded in years? It's absolutely amazing!
Haven't heard DJ playing that song in more than a video with poor sound quality so far, so I can't comment on it. But of the solos I have heard in passable quality, I find it hard to believe he'd screw it up so badly.

he did

robin's TIL solo is my favorite solo on the record, so beautiful, it's as fragile, innocent and heartbroken as the lyrics of the song

Exactly! The only people who say the solo sucks are the same people who have been bashing Robin for years anyway, so their opinion means nothing.

Indeed. Those "half the people who listen to it and say its crap" are more concerned about it being very far from Slash's style than the piece itself.

to be fair, most "fans" did nothing but ridicule him while he was in the band.   And he has reached out and communicated to GnR fans in the past on his website.

He kept himself active.   He did what he wanted to do.  Axl had nothing ill to say about him in the chats last year, and Robin isn't the type to talk a whole lot anyways.

Ever played guitar?  Being a half step off on something you are trying to memorize can really get messy.  It's not the easiest thing to try and stay faithful to a solo you didn't write/play when you're a guitar player.  Esp. in Ashba's position where he hasn't had a lot of time to ingrain the parts and just feel it.  Look at Ron's solos so far these last two shows, nearly flawless, but 2 + years of working on it.


Way too early to say that.

This is a Guns N Roses forum.  This is not a Robin Finck Forum. So don't expect total praise for Robin Finck on a Guns N Roses board.

Who is Guns N Roses?

Axl
Dizzy
Tommy
Frank
Ron
Richard
DJ
Chris

Finck isn't GNR.  He was a decent player and played some nice parts on CD. 

So DJ butchered a solo of a guy that butchered hundreds of solos while with GNR. 

(Does my above post sound like the type of posts we have been reading for years about another former GNR guitar player?  I thought so.)

Ron had two weeks. Ashba had 7 months.

Indeed, it was. Just saw him screwing up his November Rain solo too.

I don't expect. But don't tell me Ashba is the best thing since sliced bread while taking shots at Robin because of a slopiness.


He probably will be on the second album just like Buckethead did on Chinese. He is out, indeed, but he will still part of the band in that matter.

DJ bucthered Sorry, November Rain, This I Love and Street of Dreams. Not just "a solo". Still, people rather comment on how cool he looks while saying Robin was the worst thing ever.

And no, this has nothing to do with Slash.

I'm sorry, but I know for a fact that Sorry and Street Of Dreams were not butchered by DJ. Far from it.
You prefer Robin, fair enough. But don't go making accusations like that, which are just ridiculous.

DJ and Robin, and Fortus are all around the same level in skill.  I wouldn't say they are "elite" players, but they are solid touring players for sure.  Bucket and Bumble are on another level. 

Once you start nitpicking this "who is a better guitarist", you start to lose out on what makes a great rock band.  These shows shouldn't be exams on technical skill.

What's the "rippin-ist" Beatles or Who solo??  I think Keith Richards put it best when he said it all becomes a "fastest gun in the West" mentallity when you try to compare technical soloing skill.

The original line-up had obvious chemistry while it lasted.  Time will tell with this group, but so far they seem like they are having fun and giving the crowd a great show.

Much like some people who like Robin regardless of how crappy he plays sometimes. Their opinion means nothing more either. I'll be the first to admit that Robin's solos / work on songs like Better, TWAT and the like are superb, but don't expect everyone to be as forgiving, when he botches up songs live or records a solo that sounds like a cat being tortured, let alone being "Fragile and Heartbroken".

i gotta start torture some cats, never liked the animal anyways and appearantly it sounds beautiful :P

It would if you like the TIL solo. ;)

 :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:

 I guess you'll have to torture way too many cats to get TIL results.

Or as one reviewer put it: "Like a cat being raped in front of an orchestra" :rofl:

Sorry, but he did. It missed the purpose of the original solos. In SOD he even wasn't able to play the bends as they are supposed and it sounded out of tune.

Funny is that I even liked his Sorry solo, even kinda fucked up.

I agree.

I'm not talking about technical skills. What I'm saying is both Robin and Ashba fuck up their live performances, as much as some people tries to make it like DJ is flawless.

IMHO, DJ isn't really the right person to play Robin's stuff. Still, he has a great vibe and does play and sound more like Slash (which makes some people wet their pants), so in a different angle, he does fit in the band, of course. I'd rather have someone sounding like himself (even if it's far from Robin's style), but oh well...

yeah, we get it, we got it the first time,
yeah reviewers kick ass, they have better taste in music then us and are more important than us

So you think that Robin's solos are random and unmelodious. Whatever, Axl seems to be very happy with them and he even said how much he liked Robin's TWAT solo - oh, wait, Ashba fucked up that solo as well and Robin played it much better in 2006! He fucked up a riff in Better after Ron's slide. He not only missed when to start playing but he played the riff ridiculously. Ron even tried to extend his slide to cover Ashba's ass but he couldn't play for him. Sadly.

Really? Funny, because to me TIL solo is at least as good - those solos are fucking overrated, just like the SCOM intro riff. Oh and there are plenty of people that hate SCOM's solo and they do know a lot about music.

You forgot Live and Let Die (At rehearsals)!

Ha, the funny thing is... everyone's talking about Ashba n' all, but he fucked up plenty of solos. Bumble and Richard did NOT hit any wrong notes or w/e. But no, we don't need Bumble and Ashba's the best thing to happen to GnR since Slash's departure.

I'll add... Better, Live and Let Die, TWAT and so on...

You are right. He missed the purpose of the original TWAT solo as well.

Ashba fucked up his live performances more so than Robin did in Rock in Rio or Las Vegas. The problem is that Robin doesn't try to sound like Slash so he's the bad guy.

Don't get me wrong, I like his playing style and all and I'm glad he's in the band now, his tone and playing really fits GnR nicely, but he ain't the 'best guitarist of the GnR's history' like some people said.

He's not as bad as you people are trying to say he is, either.
You can't write an entire post bitching about things that he fucked up only in your minds, and then go on to say "don't get me wrong, I do like his playing". You obviously don't. Either that or you're just trying to find anything to complain about.

We're not trying to say he's bad, we're saying that he in fact fucked some of his solos.

Only in our minds? ::) So you are tone deaf or just don't want to hear it.

DJ butchered his November Rain solo? Okay,fine. Heres Robin's version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lk8TCrTFNQ) and here's Ashba's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84b220T8Jas) version. Anyone who says Robin is better must be fucking tone deaf, but anyway, you be the judge...  ::)

I was talking about the TIL solo, not Robin's TWAT or anything else.


Don't let your lurve for Robin cloud your judgement. Those solos are overrated? Shows you don't know WTF you are talking about.


Oh? Who might those people be? You? I concede there might be plenty of people who don't like the SCOM solo but "Knowing a lot about music" doesn't form the basis for liking or disliking something.

I don't think I've shown any bias towards Robin here. But I do agree that This I Love's solo is one of the most beautiful pieces of music in the history of beautiful music (and the highlight of one of the best songs in years). You seriously have to have no soul to not find it beautiful. And whereas I don't think Hotel California, Sweet Child O' Mine or Stairway To Heaven are overrated, it's pretty clear that not "everybody agrees those are exceptional solos". Because that would be impossible.

You said that, not me.
So who doesn't like SCOM solo is biased and doesn't know what he's talking about. Shows how much you are biased and a fanboy.

I never said I wasn't biased at all. I'm not a fan of Robin's playing, that's quite well known. Liking the TIL solo has nothing to do with being biased, if it were I wouldn't like any of his solos.

He isn't as bad. He's not the second Jesus either and he's not fucking up "only in my mind". If you can't hear obvious fuck ups, then I'm done with you.

And yes, I'm not saying I dislike him. All I'm saying is that people who put Robin down because of fuck ups should just shut the fuck up because Ashba does the same thing, sometimes even worse.

Lame to search for a bad performance to make a point.

I prefer Robin's take on November Rain, for sure. Like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZaXpXmrR4

not too professional with those fuck ups, huh?

To me that sounds maybe not as awful as the other version, but still awful compared to Slash's or Ashba's version. I did not hear anything wrong with Ashbas version except maybe one missed note, but still Ashba didn't make my ears bleed like Robin did. But you have a right to your opinion and I'm not gonna argue over matters of taste.

The November Rain solos are not hard to play, but they to require the right feel and phrasing.  I think Fortus does good on his solo as does Bumble, but Voodoo is right, DJ has a couple of mishaps.

I would have liked to have seen Robin in the band again. I too prefer his style of playing. But in all fairness he was better in 2006/07 then he was in 2001/02. BBF sounds like he is playing better now then he was in 2006. So DJ deserves some time, I'm sure it ll seem he is playing better once the Canada shows come around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv1LCLKE6Qw&feature=related

imagine axl screaming on this song, would be so fucking heavy

I guess the thing with Robin can be compared to Metallica with Kirk Hammett and Dave Mustaine: I've heard some of the demos that Mustaine recorded with Metallica and after getting so used to Kirk's solos, Dave's solos sound so different from Hammett's that it makes it almost impossible to enjoy. On the other hand, Mustaine's Megadeth stuff is simply awesome. Same thing with Robin, a lot of us have gotten so used to Slash's solos, that when they're played so differently (so much worse) than on the albums, it ruins the entire feel of the song. SOD and TIL solos are awesome though and on the live version of November Rain, Robin plays are very beautiful backing guitar melody to the song, whereas the old lineup could really never get a good guitar melody going throughout the song live, as Axl's piano and Dizzy's keyboards pretty much dominated the soundscape, except for Slash's solos.

Your opinion, the majority of the fans would disagree with you there.

Majority of fans on this site?  Yes.  Majority of fans that used to attend GNR shows, No. 

Fans that don't attend fans anymore aren't fans.

Wonder why?  Finck was a 50/50 guy.  I think half the fan base loved him, half was "eh".

ROBIN was the best thing to happenin' to GNR!!
im sorry to see him out!!

my thoughts exactly

I don't know, I think that other guy's pretty good. Axl something or other.

I think we should edit that to "Robin LEAVING" was the best thing to happen to Guns n Roses ever! 

No that would be your hero $LA$H. Him leaving was the greatest thing that could ever happen to this band.

yeah...... ???  because he didnt help to write some of the greatest songs, riffs and solo's in rock history?

Think SCOM riff and solo, Riff in jungle or the soloing in November Rain.  Obviously a great idea to get rid of him!

its not like he is known to be one of the greatest guitarists ever hey!   : ok:

So tell me what Robin has done that makes him so fuckin special?

Robin has been in 2 of the best bands of the past 20 years. He has written some kickass songs with Guns and on his own (Ghost of Mars soundtrack anyone?). He has more stage presence and puts more soul and energy into his playing than anyone else. That's what makes him so fuckin special.

not to me or a lot of other fans

so we are really gonna head this way in this thread again? fucking great

I'll tell you why it was a good thing slash left, because both him and axl hated each other, they couldn't be in a band together, if he wouldn't have left there probably wouldn't be a GNR today, it would probably have imploded

saying that it was a good thing that slash left isn't taking away anything from the great music he wrote while in the band, it's just saying that it just didn't work anymore and it was for the better that he left


It's a damn shame that Robin left cause DJ haven't lived up to my expectations yet

Your opinion doesn't mean a whole lot around here, so its not a big loss that you don't think that way.

You're exactly right!  :peace:

I love him and wish him well with whatever he decides to do in the future.
I respect him since he has been a part of my favorite band and I'm grateful for his contributions.  :beer:

Wow, I've been gone from this board for a few years and the Robin hate still continues!
A lot of the times, when one is completely opposed to something, they fail to have the logic, or the want to understand something new to them.
This is the Robin I know:

"Sometimes I hate myself, sometimes I hate you. The difference is when I hate you I am truly just hating something about myself."
-Robin Finck

Blessings.

thing is Mustaine is 5 billion times more talented than Robin so that is a weird argument.


I know it is awesome that in 2009, i can watch my favorite band without cringing during the guitar solos and that is an amazing thing.

how exactly has he contributed to two bands?  Reznor writes everything, he plays it live and it isn't like NIN guitar parts are even remotely difficult to play

in GNR, I give him Better which is a good song but solos on SOD which is a good solo, bad solo on TIL and what other big time contributions do u have on that album?

I think the album suffers cause if Bucket or Ron played all the solos, i think it would be even a better album.

I understand you have a myspace music page and all but,
I still can't figure out where your guitar god complex comes from.

its come from being a fan of great guitar players

if my opinion and honesty offends u, perhaps u should stop reading?


I think Robin suffered due to being next to guitar gods like Bucket and bumble and it exposed him a bit.  when u listen to Bucket's TWAT, ITW and Sorry solos, it is just hard for anybody to compete with that.

my issue is i don't like his style, its nothing personal, hell I don't like Eddie Van Halen or The Edge either.. but when i am listening to my all time favorite songs and solos, I want true interpretations... why change what is already perfect?

it would be like someone covering John Lennon's Imagine and changing the lyrics or something.

if the holocaust bothers me, then I should ignore and not acknowledge it?

Unfortunately, every once in a while, I give in and and read what you have to say.

By the way, Honesty is the Truth, therefore can not be coupled with your opinion.

He wrote the music for 1 GNR song.  That's it.

He wrote 0 songs in NIN.

Say, wasn't Robin partly responsible for Bucket leaving, because the two didn't get along well? I remember reading that somewhere...


No, only your opinion matters, Enlightened One.

The funny thing to me is that most who dislike Robin seems like in need to come here and say how bad he is. And it's always the same shit, as he wasn't responsable for a single bit besides Better. Really, that's lame.

Again: so we can now discredit Slash for ANYTHING he has done without his name on credits, like November Rain and Estranged?

Seems like you missed Ashba's performance on This I love and SOD (or how one can keep missing tone in bends).

Funny is that you keep using your opinion as a fact. Even in another topics.

I don't think this was more than just a rumor. I know there was people saying the two didn't get along, but this never was mentioned as a reason for Bucket to leave.

The more guitarists that Guns employ, the more the arguements will continue by the looks of it.   :hihi:

nobody seems to mention the importance of Chemistry.  That can be seen on Appetite even though they  may not have been the most techincal players or graduated from music university.

i also thought that Richard, Robin and BH had a chemistry going for awhile and hopefully the new guitarists will gain that also.

Once you got a chemistry going, the players will complement each other more.  :)

You keep comparing Ashba to Robin, but the fact is that Ashba is playing his first tour with Guns and the videos you quote are from his first ever live performance. Robin's playing style hasn't more or less changed in all the years he was in Guns. I don't think it's quite a valid comparison that, at least not yet.

No, I was talking about the Tokyo video of This I Love, I'm not even talking about screwing up the whole solo (as he did in Taipei), but Ashba being unable to bend a note properly.

And I really didn't want to compare, but it is indeed weird how being sloppy is so bad in Robin while Ashba is being considered as the best thing ever.

Honestly, I think this is more about image and attitude than guitar playing. For what I've been listening, Ron Thal is the true key guitar element in the band right now and people keep ignoring him. Maybe if he looked as cool as Ashba...

I agree 100%.

It has always been that way in the GnR fantasy world, where bending out of tune (or not doing it at all), playing slow and doing drugs are the reasons to point someone as the best GnR guitarist.

No, he ain't doing Bucket's and Slash's solos justice - he ain't playin' most of them note for note - therefore he sucks.

Take it you're not a fan of DJ, Slash or Izzy then.  But seriously, Slash and Izzy deserve a bit more credit than "playing slow and doing drugs".
if people rated musicians on drug problems, im sure Motley Crue would be a lot bigger.
Slash and Izzy are not known as one of the greatest guitar duo's ever for their drug problems.  Their styles complemented each other more than people realise.
And i don't think anyone thinks DJ is the greatest GNR guitar player ever, but give the dude a chance, he's only played 4 shows.

i think Bucket and Ron are awesome players but they don't get the recognition cos they've yet to feature on a mega hit album.  maybe the tour will change that?


i think its important to mention that Slash also didn't play his own solo's note for note.  He made frequent changes on PC, November Rain, Its so Easy, Nightrain and even SCOM over the years.  its difficult to play faster solo's note for note every night.

Again, the image thing could mess this up. But I don't think they really need to be superstars to have some respect from fans who do know their work - yes, I'm talking about people from this board.

He did. But when Robin did the same, it was "messing up". :nervous:

i havent seen too much hate on Bucket or Ron but i agree with your point.  i think they're both extremely good players and probably deserve more credit than they get.  Will be interesting to hear Ron on the next album (fingers crossed) and see how creative he can be and what he can add to an album.  I think most of CD was ready to go when he came onboard.


As someone mentioned earlier, i think its a love/hate thing with Robin on this board.  and Slash.

I personally think the only reason people hate on Robin is because he replaced Slash. The guy came in and put his heart and soul into the band and each one of his performances. He played the songs with his own unique style and people hate on him because he isn't slash or isn't trying to be him.

Voodoo, it wasn't the different notes so much, but it was that he was flat out of pitch so much.  A band bend just is an awful sound on your ears.  Playing on such a huge stage though where everything is so loud, it is very easy to get lost and not be able to hear your pitch just perfect, but that was my biggest gripe.

I like Robin, but he left just like Slash,Bucket,izzy so out with the old and in with the new. I think D.J makes a perfect fit in the band and brings a great image and personality. he can work a crowed better than robin, and thats important.

The thing I think with Robin's playing is either you like it or you don't. I can't imagine how anybody would like the TIL solo, while there are people here who can't imagine how I couldn't but like the solo. However, I don't think there is any doubt about his playing style. It isn't just some phenomenon a few people can hear. He does play a bit sloppy at times and bend notes a bit weirdly, but again, you either find it annoying or you don't care. A lot of people say that the dislike towards Robin is because he 'replaced' Slash or simply because he doesn't play all of Slash's solos 'note by note'. I don't think that's true either. I certainly prefer Buckethead's Nightrain outro or his version of PC or some of Ron's work to the original versions laid down by Slash because I think those guitarists improve those solos a lot.

If you don't like Robin's solos, then those aren't any improvement over the originals and I'd rather hear them played note by note.

u are comparing my dislike of Robin Finck to the holocaust.......... dude, what the fuck

anyhow, I don't dislike RObin because I am a slash fan

that has absolutely nothing to do with it, if that were the case, I'd also hate Bucket,richard,Ron,DJ

My dislike of his guitar playing comes only from me just not liking his style of play..His style works well in a live setting for NIN. that style suits his playing.. but the melodic.bluesy GNR stuff doesn't IMO.

my problem is someone changing and adding their own thing to amazing iconic solos... it would be like Scott in VR at the time changing Mr Brownstone or Its So Easy or Patience's lyrics.. u don't do it

I know to most people, guitar playing isn't that big a deal but for me, guitar solos are just as important as lyrics and vocal melodies.

changing that, changes the entire song.

most people are lyric/vocal listeners, i am not accusing anybody here of doing that, but that is just the truth

i love guitar playing,riffs, solos etc as much as vocals/melodies etc

nah man, absolutely not.. I was pointing out how what you said was wrong

Robin is Awesome

$la$h $ucks! 

Stop reading here. If you see a problem with this, you must really think this is just a bunch of hired guns.

i like how u add the $ sign to Slash and its just retarded

if Slash were all about money, he'd never left GNR in the first place, he would've done whatever to stay in the band cause that was his ticket to making the most money

Robin chases the money... joins GNR, gets paid, then quits and goes to NIN to get paid, then once NIN are finished he comes back to GNR to get paid.. then when it seems GNR aren't doing anything he jumps back to NIN to get paid.

So maybe u should look a bit deeper into what u are saying.


its just bullshit.... I am a sellout so lets quit the biggest band in the world and form Snakepit............ cause everybody knows Snakepit will make way more money than GNR  ::) ::)

Don't have a problem if u ADD to the solo a la bucket in nightrain, PC

SCOM, NR are so melodic and iconic, u can't hit busted notes/bends or add stuff to it.. u can get away with that during fast/shredding solos but when the melody is something u can sing with, u don't do it cause it kills the vibe of the entire thing.

Jim Bob, I am tired of arguing with u... how Slash can suck even though he wrote the greatest riffs, solos in GNR just blows my mind.. u do realize there would be no jungle,scom,PC, etc without him right?

without Robin u wouldn't have Better... do we need to put those on the balance beams............ really?

Hey Jim Bob, can you post the link to that "Greatest Live Solo Eva" thingy you posted some time back?
We all just want to laugh at it again. Thanks in advance.

Great input there Jim bob, way to add to the debate!  : ok:

I don't think this kind of discussion will lead us to anywhere.

Sure you can. It's not like Robin made those solos unrecognizable.

Again, seems to me that all you want in this band is someone who can play note for note the AFD.

I'm being honest here... If DJ did the same with TIL or SOD solo, I wouldnt complain.

i edited my last post now to try and avoid provocatation  :)  Some people seem to ruin a bunch of interesting threads with provocative comments.

I don't think GNR have ever had a bad guitar player.  Some aren't as good as others but none were ever bad players

i want someone in the band who can produce the same quality ive grown accustom to over the years. Robin is an average guitar player for a band like GNR. Richard does great justice to the old stuff, so does bumble and DJ, Bucket as well.. once again, it isn't like im saying "i want Slash, he sucks"  If your ears think he is awesome, hey, im not trying to change your mind, all the best to u and your opinion, for me, it was hard hearing some of the boots from shows with him on those solos.

Hell even Axl said in a RS interview how with Robin gone, they could take the material further..... so what does that tell u?

My lead guitarist in GNR needs to be a Batman, not a Robin.. Robin was the 6th best of the new guys

1.bucket
2.Paul most songwriting credits of any guitarist on album
3.bumble
4.DJ
5.Richard
6.Robin

Robin doesn't do justice to the old songs? I like the way he played most of the old solos. He wasn't trying to play Slash's solos note for note and that's where a guitarist shows some of his talent. Ex.: everytime he played Sweet Child he played a really nice riff on each chorus that sounded much better than the AFD version. Even you, D, could play Slash's stuff probably. It doesn't make you better than Robin or Ron. I mentioned Ron because he doesn't play most of the old stuff like Slash. If Richard and Ashba are top players for you because they can play Slash's and Izzy's stuff almost note for note you should watch those YouTube vids and forget Guns N' Roses. That's where they cover the old Guns stuff. Lots of YouTube guitarists can nail Slash's stuff and most of them are average players at best. Richard does the old songs justice and he ain't playin' much on CD, is he? Robin doesn't do the old songs justice and he plays on every CD song. For most Ron didn't do old Guns songs justice and yet he plays on every CD song. That's where I call a guitarist creative - when they don't want to sound like someone else and add their own style to the songs they're being themselves, being creative and that's probably why Axl wanted them. Again, Axl probably wanted musicians, not cover guitarists. Hell even Richard could play most - if not all - of Bucket's stuff in Guns but Ron's a complete musician and that's what GnR is about - musicians, not cover guitarists, drummer, bassist, etc.

U can't change what is already perfect. That is my point.

it would be like someone repainting the Mona Lisa and giving her bigger tits or a prettier dress.

I dont know where this idea comes from that Slash's stuff is easy to play.  ive been playing guitar for years (granted i stopped practising much due to work etc) and i can't play a lot of Slash's stuff.

The outro's in nightrain, PC, November rain are all challenging.  Especially some of the solo's on UYI like Dont damn me, perfect crime, the Garden.

^ The point is: it's not about being able to play note per note, there's tons of guys who could pull that off on YouTube and cover bands.

Axl said the same about Buckethead.

For a guy who puts songwriting credits in such a high level, why would DJ be above Richard?

Anyways, it's all opinions, fine. But one thing is for sure: as much as some of you dislike Robin, he'll still be at the next album(s). And still proving how what matters most is his unique guitar playing rather than technical skills to reproduce 20 years old material without making it fresh again.

You think it's perfect? Good for you. Imo it is far, far from perfect and these guys made some of the solos much, much better. Ron's Nightrain solo is insane, Robin's Sweet Child lead is great, etc.

it's always like that, in sports are the best examples, when Ibrahimovic played for Inter, coach Mourinho said "Ibra is the best player in the world", when Barcelona bought Ibra and sold Eto'o to Inter, the coach immediately changed and said that Eto'o was even better than Zlatan

So, to sum up the thread, since Robin isn't doing anything, there isn't anything to discuss except the fact that some like his playing and his solos and some don't. The End.
Did I miss anything?

I thought it was pretty poor form of Robin not to say anything to thank the GNR fans for their support after he left.

Besides that, as much as I enjoyed seeing and hearing him in the band, I'd be lying if I said I missed him.

ok then don't.. i prefer not to argue with $la$h fanboys.

on topic, looking forward to seeing what Robin does next.

just you then, and one or two other Robin fanboys  :hihi:


You got it right Genesis.  looks like this thread is divided by opinion and i wont ever try to get someone to change their opinion.
Unless their opinion is ridiculous lol!


i also think that some people on this board REALLY underestimate the importance of writing.  Slash wrote some awesome riffs and solo's and had very good writing credits within the band.  and he was enegetic on stage.  Id take that over someone who looks cool and can play well but cant write for shit.

Again, that doesn't take us anywhere.

Indeed. But you agree that when you write a solo or guitar work and it doesn't appear on the writing credits, it's still writing, correct?

One of the things I like most about Robin was his stage presence.  I think everyone has to agree that the man gave it all on stage
between sprinting all over the place and then randomly trying to swift kick everyone else in the head when he got over excited.
I thought he was the most recognizable member on stage, besides Axl of course.

I also thought (My opinion, perhaps not the Absolute Truth) his playing was fantastic in the three shows I attended in 06.

Also, Robin did speak out many times to the fanbase. I clearly remember his apology for not being able to make it to the Cape when
no one else gave any information or words.

 I believe all Robin hate is derived from not being able to grow such a fantastic beard as he once did, damn, what a beard.

well you seem to care because you are posting in a Robin thread.  ???

and some people put too much emphasis on writing.  Its just a part of the package.

Then go start a thread to talk about that fucking guy. 

Well, in that case, you must lurve Slash, since you post in all the threads about him.
Just admit it, VR is your favourite band rite?

dawg, if you think JB is acting like a jerk or whudevah in slash threads, why act like him in the robin thread?

its just funny how he spends so much of his time in the slash threads and then he has the nerve to question why others are in a Robin thread. And on top of that, the guy never adds a single bit of decent input into a debate.  This is as far as it goes "$lash sucks". 


yeah it is still writing and deserves credit

theres nothing to debate with slash fans.   i lost interest in that many years ago, much like his hardcore fans should do in regards to gnr.

if you lost interest, then why do you continue to post in threads relating to Slash?
And when people are discussing Robin, why can't you add any useful insight?

Thanks. Now please tell D about that because he just believe what he read on the booklet and therefore Robin sucks because he has only one song credited (even tho A LOT of people praises Better as one of the best songs, as long as D doesn't like it, that means it sucks).

And of course, no matter how many times I say that, he still use this songwriting talk to backup his statement to disregard Robin.

Yes, I agree... Slash should have received some writing credits for Estranged for example.  Also November Rain, Slash took a piano piece and really messed with the arrangement.  I know Axl wrote the words, but without Slash, those songs wouldn't be anything great.

This thread has nothing to do with slash but I beg to differ. The pinao only demo of November Rain is better than the final product as far as I'm concerned.

You talking about the one that repeats the same thing for 6 minutes?  No, its not "better".  You may like it more because Slash isn't on it.  But that NR solo is considered to be one of the more epic guitar solos in Rock N Roll history.

No it doesn't repeat the same thing for 6 minutes and it has nothing to do with slash at all. Overall its much more of an emotional piece of music with just the piano and vocals than with all the other stuff mixed in with it.

Hogwash!  Axl Sings it different, what the hell does that have to do with Slash's solo?  Slash's solo, like him or not, SCREAMS emotion.  Slash perfectly matches Axl's emotions, just like in Estranged. 

What the fuck are you Slash fans babbling about?

Get the fuck out of this thread already!

Oh, and Merry Christmas.




/jarmo

HAHAHAHAHA, Merry Christmast to you to Jarmo!

It was the Finck worshipers that brough Slash into this.  Can't they leave that poor guy alone?  FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :rofl:

I wasn't talking about slash solo at all, you brought up his solo saying the song wouldn't be anything special without him which is FUCKING BULLSHIT!. As i said in my first post, the demo of Axl on the piano singing it is brilliant WITHOUT slash even being on it.

You're right. It's getting hard to stoop that low. There isn't anything interesting for me to talk about Robin anyway.

hold on voodoo

me not liking finck has nothing to do with his lack of writing contributions on the album, i just don't like his style of play

as i stated, there are many other guitar players i don't like either.. its just personal preference


Finck does a good job on Better *cept for the intro which makes my ears bleed* but his solo in it is great and his solo on SOD is great

other than that... I don't like his play.. maybe its cause Bucket is a million times better so when it comes to a Finck solo.. i just expect more cause Bucket kind of dominates the album everytime he touches a track.

I don't want to rock your world but...
sometime during your life, you're going to have to try and understand anothers opinion,
instead of flailing poor rhetoric and disregarding it.

Merry X-Mas Robin Finck

pd.

NOVEMBER RAIN:

Music By AXL ROSE

Lirics By AXL ROSE

WOW ! Robin sucks ? Makes me ears bleed ? LOL that guy was in GnR longer then your boy Slash....  NEWSFLASH Slash hated SCOM, November Rain, Hell he didn't even wanna do patience...  Robin was a great lead guitarist in Guns N' Roses and I miss him dearly and I don't like how people come here and disrespect him.  Guys like Jim Bob and voodo get shitted on cause they like Robin gimme a break, Robin put alot of work and time into that album.  He wrote probaly the best song and best single on CD so I suggest all of you just move on with whatever agenda u have.

I get you dislike his playing, but you said several times how he only had one songwriting credits and bla bla bla.

dont mean to provoke any robin fans, this is just my opinion and view


Im quite happy robin has left, with ashba in the fold, it feels that GNR are more complete than they have been since slash left. for me, robin never fit in, his look and style of play didnt fit in the band for me, and thats why im quite happy he's gone

Yeah, I got that in the other thread. I dunno why you had the need to post here tho.

Still, I get you dislike Chinese Democracy as a whole, since there's lot of Robin there.

Because its topic related, not everyone reads every thread.

I dont "dislike" CD, i dislike robins playing on it, the songs are good, but the style of play i dislike of him, IE his solo in TIL is awful, but its one of my fav GNR songs, cant wait till ashba gets on it

Robin is an amazing musician but i think we all got better served with Ashba  :P
Ashba is awesome like, i can't wait for them to come to Portugal! Ill be there front row! :peace:

No wonder your nickname.

Still, you already got Ashba playing a Slash-esque vibe on Better solo, soon you'll get that in TIL too.

Dj Ashba is the current guitarist, Robin Finck is a former, simple as that

I wonder if fincks work will stay on upcoming albums

did paul tobias and bucketheads work stay on CD?

Yeah but, you never know with axl. maybe he would want to reinvent guns again, who knows.

I am still a Robin fan and do wish he was still in the group but I think mostly because I hate to see the constant changing of the band members.  I would like to see a band keep the original lineup intact as much as possible but with GN'R that was gone long ago.  You learn to like the  members of GN'R the longer they are with the group.  Robin was with the more current linuep of GN'R for a long time.   I enjoy the current lineup and to say one thing about DJ is that he seems much more happy to be in GN'R than Robin did.  I always thought Robin could quit at a drop of a hat and that' s really what ended up happening.  So, the more I see Ashba the more happy I am with him in the band.

Robin and Slash were both actually in Guns for about 10 years.  Check the biography section man.  And Slash/GNR achieved a lot more in Slash's 10 years then Robin's.  5 albums to 1.  More hit singles, awards, tours etc etc etc.  Do i need to list it all? 

And i don't think Slash hated SCOM.  he said he hated playing it when he was drunk cos it was tough to pull off.  And he hated how popular it got. 
Do you play an instrument?
Ever find it frustrating when you can play 20 songs on guitar but your mom, dad or friends want you play Stairway to heaven repeatedly.  Gets annoying!

i also never heard Slash say he didnt wanna do Patience or that he hated november Rain.  I think maybe he meant he didnt want Guns to go in a more ballad direction.  On that note, its for the best that he left.

Now i appreciate all the work Robin done in Guns but for whatever reason, im just not that bothered that he is gone.

haters, I appreaciate that you want to keep this thread going, but spewing shit is not the way.. that goes to both sides that seems to wanna provoke the other : ok:

SoD or TWAT solo.. that is the question.

Both awesome!  Think i prefer SOD though.  love the way it gains momentum.

By the way, Honesty is the Truth, therefore can not be coupled with your opinion.

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Long time lurker here, had to create an account to applaud these two posts by Henson. Unfortunately it seems everyone else missed this.
At least someone has a level head, good job, perhaps if we all did we could have a conversation!

The Chinese Democracy guitar book:

The Shackler's credits seem to be identical to Rock Band's 2 booklet. So, that seems pretty much accurate to me, considering the amount of mistakes and missing info on the album's booklet.

So, looks like Robin helped a bit more than just writing Better, huh?

As I said before, not bad for a mediocre guitarist and bad composer. CD, Shacklers, Better, SOD, Catcher, Riad and Prostitute. I dunno, sounds good to me. I could be wrong though.

I can't wait until Robin's new website is open for bidnis.

I can't wait either. Here's to Robins new website and hopefully some new photos from the last gnr tour  :beer:  :smoking: 

and a kiss to my mods  :-*

I'll always love Robin and was sad to see him go. I loved the way he changed the solo's slightly but he always respected the original idea and never frayed too much. I also loved his solo spots where he dared to be different and play what came naturally to him. And his work on CD speaks for itself, with the writing credits to back it up.

I'm glad axl is still on good terms with Robin as this could mean an appearance sometime in the future. When I first saw his Sweet Child O' Mine solo from Madison Square Garden in 2002, I knew this guy was special. I never did quite understand why some of the fan base was against him. He had his own look, he played the songs as good if not better, and he was always cool to the fans (giving water bottles, crowd surfing, coming down to the floor during paradise city).

Maybe it was because he was so much different from previous members some people couldn't accept it but you've got to understand that is what Axl was going for.

Axl was going for a new direction around 1998 - 2002 and lets face it, it was leaning towards industrial (Oh My God, Silkworms, Chinese Democracy).

And Robin Finck from Nine Inch Nails was the perfect choice.

Lee

robin always seemed like he was REALLY feeling what he played

im not saying dj doesn't feel it, he just seems kinda nervous up there

which is completely understandable being the new guy with all that responsibility

That's one of the things I LOVED about Robin. Other people looked at his movements as "dumb dances" etc. But I always looked at it as an expression of what he was feeling.

Thats why i love robin  :love:  :drool:  :beer:  :smoking:

Anyone who hasn't should track down video of his blues solo before SCoM from the December 20, 2006 show.

As we are nearing the South American tour, it feels like the band has come full circle since the new lineup rocked Rio De Janeiro in 2001. The band will be returning to the place where they were born, the HOB show was before this but many people consider the Rio show to be where it all started, again.

I wanted to post this video of Robin playing Sossego. This is the only time Robin has ever sang during his solo spot, he also greets the crowd in Portuguese.

I also want to thank Robin for all the work he has put into GN'R, in the studio and live. And wish him the best in his future endeavours.


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5TWOSc5kjc

 :beer:


Lee

Here here...

Love it.  :beer:

I  may actually have to apologize to Finck fans :o :o

When I hear TIL solo on CD, I use to hate it.. now its ok........

when i hear DJ play it live though, I actually really like it..........


I think i just don't like Robin's sloppy kind of style

for me, I always feel like he tries to do more than his ability allows, so instead of just playing something straight, he tries to get too fancy and ends up tripping all over himself.

but those who appreciate that kinda nu metalish mixed with emo mixed with industrial mixed with blues type of sloppy style, i can see where u would get off on it.

Remember, anything about Robin has been strictly my taste and nothing personally against him.

I think that the better scom solo i've ever heard was played by Robin on RIR 2001.

I really love the man.

Yeah, he tore the solo a new asshole there.

another problem i always had with Robin

just way too inconsistent. I agree at moments I even thought he was damn good.. I loved Rock In Rio 3

but the other night my GF was listening to YT and she was watching NR

I had no idea where this was from.. could've been 92  2006 2010

all i know is, i heard the absolute worst NR solo ever..... and i instantly knew it was 2006

sometimes he nailed stuff but too many times he just completely butchered stuff.

worst NR solo ever u say? your gf was watching the grammys :hihi:

eL Oh eL

I love Robin's take on the NR solo. I think that and Patience are superior to the original.

Could anyone even hear that?  too low in the mix.  Remember Slash probably hadn't played that in 17 years also.
He had time to rehearse for the LAYN show and he nailed everything. 

GNR are rocking a lot more minus Robin. 

Couldn't disagree more. I just watched a bootleg again from December 20 2006 and was really reminded how much I miss the guy.

+ we could clearly hear the solo from the grammy's and it really did SUCK,

jacdaniel, i was making a joke with a bit of my and a lot of others opinion in it, if u don't agree, fine, but i don't think u need to debate about how slash had had time to rehearse or not :P

I remember back in 2004, I didn't have a computer then. I used to write all of the GN'R websites down so I could have a look at them at my friends house. I came across this video of Robin Finck playing the Sweet Child O' Mine solo at Madison Square Garden in New York 2002.

As soon as I watched it I was blown away, I was literally in shock. I loved the Sweet Child solo and thought it was really hard to play. And I had just seen Robin Finck blow it out the damn park, without even looking at his fretboard !!!!!.
From that day on I have been hooked on Robin, just watch the video and experience the magic.

I think everybody has to admit everytime a certain somebody played this solo, he was always looking down at the guitar. And now watch Robin playing the same solo 100x better without even looking at the fretboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMrxf4aW8g      :drool:


Lee

That's a wonderful video. Thanks for bringing back some memories mate!

Ya know as great as DJ is in the band, this clip makes me miss Robin so much. The guy played the songs so well despite what others may think and was shit on for YEARS by the "fans," yet he still went out there night after night on tour and tore the roof of the place with his energy and performances. I hope someday we can see him join the band again even if its only to guest on a few songs.

His 2002 SCOM solo at MSG was really awesome. Also loved his solo spot on Tokyo 2007, that was fucking beautiful.

Yeah, and its funny how the same people who loved to point out Robin's mistakes are the same who forgive the lots of fuck ups by the new guy.

its funny how a lot of fan's of Slash's playing hated Robin, now a lot of Robin's fans hate/dislike DJ;s playing. 
Wonder were we'll be in another 10 years  :hihi:

I wonder how he feels about the split.
It's a shame that none of the old members have talked about writing and working with this band and it's members of old past.

Josh didn't talk
Paul didn't talk
Bucket didn't talk
Robin doesn't talk
Brain some small talk(Not meant negative)

why is that..?

I would love to hear some of their art's and how they wrote certain songs for gnr and perhaps future work. and after the end of the nin leg of course

And I wonder what he is up to like today. or any other day since his departure with gnr

I imagine there are legal reasons for that like something they signed sworing silence

that's so wrong.

but none the less I'm currious:P

a band featering old gnr players :P

Josh/Brain
Robin
Paul

that's a great combination :P
put in bucket head and you'll have the band gnr once was :rofl:

I think Robin wants to settle down a bit.

Because lets face it, if Robin really wanted to do the tour with GN'R, he could have easily. There was a good few months in between NIN ending their tour and GN'R starting theirs. And plus Robin new all of the material including the arrangements like who plays what and where.

So in my heart of hearts I believe Robin just feels it's time to do something a little different and maybe relax a bit. And with him selling most of his gear on ebay, my theory could well be right.

I just hope on his new site, he has a way we can contact him. Because I would like to thank him for inspiring me and for touching my soul.  :love:


Lee

that's one way to put it And you could be right :)

Josh Freese did talk a little bit. There is a Modern Drummer interview somewhere here (I read the actual magazine) when he talk about working with Axl.

Also he worked with Robin on NIN.

In My Heart 4 Ever

 :love: R OB IN'

 :smoking:

Brain gave a great Chinese Democracy interview with Modern Drummer as well, Tommy did a couple of good interviews also with other magazines. I'd love to read an Axl interview where he is talking about the music, composing and the making of the album, rather than banging on about all his grudges.

x2

i hope ROBIN does come back, he deserves to be on this tour so much.....i mean, he really should be here today!!
 

Don't think he'll be back.

He was the longest ongoing member for the new era of gnr (1997)
and I think almost 10 years of doing nothing wasn't worth it.

and with NIN he could tour and do promo and go out and stuff.

but he is gone to hell  :hihi: 

As much as I like DJ I'd still rather have Robin in the band, just listening NR from House of Blues and the lead solo he plays is probably the reason, also he was just so different compared to Slash, but DJ is very talented and seems like a great guy.

Hopefully Robin, Bucket and Brain can do some appearances through the tour, Izzy also!


Edit: Forgot Brain..

I'd prefer to have Robin in the band because of his talent, but if I was him, I would have left a long time before 2008...I think he was brave enough to hang around enough as long as he did truth be told

Precisely

He was the replacement for Slash and that says alot.
Robin Put a great efford in gnr and I think we'll hear more of it sooner then later
And I think he did a very good job and became a great guitar player throughout the years in gnr.

gnrjanus, BumbleBuzz and Rockin' Rose, I agree with everything you guys just said. Robin to me is a true legend, who will be missed alot by his fans. It is a real shame he has gone, as I felt during the 06/07 tour people started to take notice of how talented and awesome he was.

Every show I've seen of GN'R he was my favourite of the night behind Axl, he totally shines in a live setting.

Robin we love you.  :love:


Lee

Just want to pile on to this sentiment.

I really enjoyed his work on the 02 tour but LOVED everything he did on the 06/07 tour. He had a big hand in creating my favorite GN'R song and he played my favorite GN'R solo of all time.

I really don't have anything against DJ Ashba but man... I so wish Robin were on this tour. It would put the tour up just another notch IMO. I can't even imagine how much it would rock to see Robin literally throwing himself into that TIL solo live!!

Having said that, I am still looking forward to whatever else he may have coming up. Would I rather he be with GN'R? Sure. But if he's not, I hope he at least has something going sooner than later.

I totally agree, as soon as I heard that This I Love solo, it was my dream to see Robin rock it live. I have since seen DJ do it in Toronto, and I have to say it was a really special moment for me, it was amazing. But I still dream of the day I can see Robin playing the best GN'R solo ever live, and rocking the hell out of it.  :love:


Lee

yeah thats because everyone thought he was a freak before then. :hihi:

i was absolutely  stunned when i saw his appearances from RIR III n' the 02' tours, his renditions of November Rain, Patience n' Sweet Child O'mine  solos where unfuckin'believable  :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :drool: :drool:
so much heart n' feel!!   n' his interlude solo's where awesome!!

i thought he was the absolute perfect replacement for Slash, he's a total individual n' he inspired the hell outta me!!

it was gr8 to see people showin' more appreciation towards him in 06' 07' 'cause he looked so cool n' he did, its just a shame a lot of people are so judge mental before when he looked like a 'freak' ::)
he looked fuckin' gr8 on 01' 02'!!     

yeah having Marilyn Manson perform oral sex on you while on stage(even for a few seconds or whatever it was) could give some people the wrong idea.. :hihi:  I remember watching the NIN home videos thinking this guy was out of his mind.  Then all the sudden he was in my favorite band.

I have no idea what happened with Robin and Manson, but this wouldn't change my opinion at all on the man. I loved Robins look in 02 as well as 06. The only reason I think people didn't like Robins look in 02 is exactly the same reason why they thought the GN'R circa 2002 was a freakshow. And that's because they looked totally different than what people where expecting from a Rock N' Roll band that originated from Los Angeles. They most likely was expecting typical Rock guys, with the typical Rock look. But when they saw Robin and Bucket they resented the change, even when there was nothing wrong with their look. In their individual territories, people had no problem with their look E.G Robin with NIN, Bucket with Primus.

And in addition to this people have to remember that Axl handpicked every single player, so this is what Axl wanted. So for people to try to belittle and be nasty about Robin or any other members is extremely cruel and uncalled for.


Lee

agreed.  I personally wasnt calling Robin a freak, someone else said that people thought he was a freak until he joined GNR, and I thought it was due to his "look" and some of the things he had done in the NIN/Marilyn Manson days.

I dont think its a shame only cause it was HIS choice

i think people tend to forget that he left under his own accord.

When I say "it's a shame" I'm referring to all that happened that made him make what seems like the wrong choice at the wrong time.

True, People thought i was being condescending but i was being sincere

u slave away for 10 years in a band.. and then u quit right before shit happens... its just unfortunate regardless of how i feel about the guy.

Of course, on the other hand, if he had been professional and called Axl and told him his feelings and that he was considering leaving.. maybe Axl wouldve had a chance to tell him what was about to happen

instead, Robin like a bitch, leaves without even informing his band members who also were loyal to him and exposed him to a much bigger audience.


Robin Screwed Robin.

Yes I still think it's a shame that Robin, who played on the album and also had alot of input on the record (backed up by the credits), isn't part of the tour to support the album. And I also disagree about Robin screwing himself, I feel it was just an unfortunate turn of events that led to Robin not being on the tour, and it involved everybody. GN'R was not touring for a good 2 and a half years, after the Asia leg finished in 2007. Robin wanted to tour, who can blame him, Bumble toured with Lita Ford, Richard and Frank did various small shows, Chris had Sextapes. Robin had an offer from his former band NIN, and he probably thought it was his best option at the time.

This is what I'm trying to get across the whole ' situation ' is to blame, not Robin.  :D


Lee

He didn't call Axl and tell him though.. he just left with no explanation....

so its his fault for not being man enough to call Axl up. If he had, maybe Axl would've told him to hold off cause shit was about to start.

You talk like you know exactly what happened. But well... you don't. Nobody here does.

It was his choice, we don't know what the fuck he thought, but it's still uncalled to throw shit at him. Again, it's not unexpected from you, as you're always trying to find excuses to whine about him and telling how you're just being "sincere".

Curious enough, it's weird how you're still ignoring his songwriting credits on the Chinese Democracy guitar book - your previous excuse to diss Robin.

I find it very strange how Robin left the band...  he was there for like 10 years or something and he left with no explanation at all.  I hope one day we find out why he left.  i really doubt that it was just cos he was on tour with NIN.  Surely someone in GNR or GNR management would have told him if a tour was on the horizon?

Maybe he got songwriting credits due to composing solos on the songs? Still yet, there are exactly 0 memorable riffs on the entire damn CD, so it isn't like he co wrote LZ IV

You don't remember the 'Better' solo riff? Or the 'This I Love' solo?

You HAVE to remember parts!

i give credit where credit is due. his Better solo is awesome. I like his SOD solo...TIL depends.. sometimes i like it, sometimes i don't.
The Better intro makes my ears bleed, just the worst tone I've ever heard.

I just think to no fault of his own, he has to go against Buckethead.... Most guitar players next to bucket are gonna sound mediocre.. so maybe the contrast is just too much on the album for me..

My opinion is, Bucket and Ron are such superior guitarists.. why not let them do all the solos?

Because your opinion clearly biased isnt shared by as much people as you think.

I love Bucket and BBF's work, but to say Robin's guitar solos like the ones in CD should be replaced is insane.

I agree, some people have a fixed agenda, and theres no need for it.

As I have mentioned before I believe if Robin really wanted to he could have still toured with GN'R as there was a few months between the NIN tour ending and GN'R's starting. It would have been easy, he knows how to play all the old stuff and he created Chinese Democracy, so no problem there.

But in my heart I believe all those people who were nasty about him constantly, played a role in him deciding it was not worth the hassle. After completing a successfull NIN tour why would he want to come back to people like 'D'. Robin is a very sensitive person and it must of upset him that he gave 10 years to GN'R, only to not be appreciated by a considerable portion of the fanbase.

I don't blame him for not returning if the Robin bashing was to continue like it did in 02/06/07.


Lee

But wasnt DJ announced while NIN was still touring?

I don't like Nickelback. And you know where I never go? Nickelback threads. I can't wrap my head around constantly going and looking in a Robin Finck thread when you don't like him.

In other news... Robin just tweeted this:

"I'll be joining Gary Numan on stage at Coachella. Come and find me there!"



I'm not a Gary Numan fan but I'm happy to see Robin will be doing something!

DJ was announced 2-3 weeks after NIN had finished their tour in Australia which ended March 2nd and DJ joined the band on March 21st. 

yeah, but they started touring in May again until September


however, as Russ said robin would join gary numan, I just found this http://thequietus.com/articles/02803-gary-numan-and-nine-inch-nail-s-trent-reznor-to-collaborate it's from september but still : ok:

well people !! for me robin was not the right choise for guns n roses !!!  idk... but DJ fits VERY WELL

But robin`s riff were aswesome !! thats for sure...

we have to wait for DJ`S

ROBIN FINCK JOINS THE BAND FOR U.S. SHOWS

(News date: Apr 2)

Very excited to show you this excerpt from the latest press release.

Robin Finck, guitarist with Nine Inch Nails and Guns N' Roses, will guest with Gary Numan for three American dates in April 2010. Finck is joining Numan's band for the forthcoming Coachella festival on 18 April, followed by The Fillmore San Francisco (20 April) and El Rey in Los Angeles (21 April). These latter San Francisco and El Rey shows will feature all ten songs from ''The Pleasure Principle'', the massively influential album that broke into the American charts three decades ago and includes the US Top 5 hit, 'Cars'. Finck and the British electronic pioneer first appeared on a stage together last year, when Numan guested with Nine Inch Nails on his own songs including 'Metal' and 'Down In The Park' in London and Los Angeles.

"It is my pleasure to now band together on his stage for these three shows. Each appearance should prove to be electric and I'm psyched" says Finck regarding the upcoming dates.

'I'm totally blown away that Robin is going to be joining us in America.' says Numan. 'I've watched him play many, many times and he's a truly unique and gifted performer. It's going to be fantastic.'

http://www.numan.co.uk/box/news.html

Cool. Hope some footage surfaces on youtube...

Brilliant news for Robin fans.

I am beyond happy that Robin has something coming up where he can perform onstage. I too, will be looking for any footage that surfaces from these shows.  :)

Great news to hear he is playing.. but who is Gary Numan?  ???  Never heard of him.

im sure you've heard this song before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw

he also toured with NIN for their Wave Goodbye Tour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_bMwq89LJE

I want to share a very special memory I have of Robin, I hope he might see this someday.

I attended both the Wembley shows in 2006 (29th and 30th july). And on the first date I made a connection with Robin that I will never forget. I was standing where I always stand at a GN'R show, which was right in front of Robin, so if you're looking at the stage on the right, I also had front row.

As many people know the Wembley dates were the last shows of the European and UK tours, and Robin got to know my face because I attended 13 shows in 2006. I was cheering him on all night and clapping right in front of him, showing my love. Then the first special moment came, during Out Ta Get Me Robin jumped right down from the stage and climbed over the barriers where he crowd surfed right on top of me. It lasted for about 30 sec and I could not believe I was touching and holding him.

After this happened I was so happy, that I made more eye contact with him and started to kind of gesture to him and I could tell he was enjoying it too. This is when the second special moment happened.

Robin was by his amps, drinking from and touching his bottles. He picked one up and started to walk towards the front of the stage.  Because I had attended so many shows at this point I knew what was coming, he was going to offer someone a bottle. I instantly threw my arms up in the air, letting him know I wanted it. So he comes right over to me, and nods at me as if to say "do you want it" and I nodded back and said "yes". He threw the bottle and it landed right in my hands, perfect throw, I still have it to this day and intend to keep it forever.

I just wanted to share and tell of, a very special night when I really connected with Robin.  :love:

I'm certain and very much hope that Robin remembers me as I was always in front of him. And if you ever read this Robin, thank you so much for making every show special.  :love:


Lee

Great story man! I never had a chance to see Robin with the band, but I can tell he's awesome. :)

 robinfincktwits
 
So, it looks like I'll be playing Eruption for 55 min at the Mohave tent. about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck

^ :rofl:

 robinfincktwits
 
I'm kidding. I am sad that Gary and band will not be making it to Coachella. about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck

awesome dude. similar to my experience at the LA Gibson shows. In the beginning of jungle he was bending down in front of me playing the opening riff and i padded him in the back and as he looks up im cheering and show him the shirt i am wearing and smiles. wearing a robin finck shirt. that night towards the end of KOHD he was playing in front of me and bends down to play the ending and as it down he extends his arm towards me to shake my hand and as shake his hand i noticed he was also giving me his pick :D As for the water bottle it was during a song had ended he came towards me and handed me a bottle while he just threw the other bottles into the pit. My sister ended up being jealous in the end...  :hihi:

They might not make their other two US shows either  :(

Check Out Robins latest tweets.

Later that same evening. DEVO! http://twitpic.com/1gj00q
2:29 AM Apr 18th via TweetDeck

Party for one. http://twitpic.com/1giywa
2:24 AM Apr 18th via TweetDeck

The latest tweet reminds me of when Bumblefoot was on Eddie Trunk in late 08, and he kept on saying DEVO. I also remember the talking metal hosts saying how Robin loved the podcast "Eating With Bumblefoot", so Robin might be referencing Bumblefoot here, from when he was on Eddie Trunk.  :)

Wonder if Robin still talks to the band. I mean, I guess he was pretty close to Richard back in 2006/07...

Pretty close? Didn't Richard say in some interview that they're neighbours? :hihi:

In new york if memory is right

L.A......

I agree, Robin and Richard seemed really close while in GN'R together. When they played the beautiful solo together, they would always laugh and smile at each other. I hope that Robin is still talking to all the band, I see no reason to think otherwise, even Axl has had nothing but good things to say about him.

Not 100% sure if it's Robin who plays that riff in the background during the first few lines of Prostitute, but it sure is awesome whoever it is :smoking:

Where-s R ob In ??

 ???

I think so, if you mean the Smashing Pumpkins Today alike riff. I've always thought it was him and Ashba plays it live, so I think it's pretty fair to assume it.

In Axl's ass  :o :rofl:

... IM KIDDING MODS... Hence the smileys  : ok:


he's probably still at home and hitting the studio making new music with NIN.

Does anybody else think that Robins solos before Sweet Child O' Mine and Paradise City in 2002 and 2006/2007, were amazing.  :love:

I have no idea how he came up with them, but they stick in your head like a bullet. I remember watching Rock AM Ring, and after the whole show, I had Robins solo before Paradise City in my head for a week.

He's all over the fretboard when he plays them, so I have no idea how he remembers. But they stick in your head like glue, brilliant guitarist.  : ok:

Love those. That bootleg from Universal Amphitheater in December of 06 has my favorite ever on it. He and Frank play this BAD ASS blues instrumental before SCoM and it's just awesome.

Yes, Robin only started to do those long solos with Dizzy and Frank playing with him, at the start of the North American tour in 2006. One of the first good bootlegs we had from that tour was New Jersey, and I remember everybody drooling over how good Robins solo was.  :)

IMO, his best solo spot ever was on Tokyo 2007. The Inland Invasion one was pretty cool too and it was the first time people saw Robin kinda shredding, lol. :D

Yes, his Inland Invasion solo was spectacular.

I loved the delay effect he used, and if you listen carefully when he's using it. It sounds like the vocal melody to Sweet Child O' Mine.  8)

Really? I don't really relate to SCOM on that one...

I do love the delay/envelope filter he used. I always wonder if he wanted to use some of those effects in the new songs.

Yes, it may be the way I hear it, but I can definately hear it if I try. Just as he starts the delay effect, you can just about hear the melody to the verse of Sweet Child, the vocals. Someone mentioned it on the forums at the time, and that's what made me hear it.

As I said, it may be just how I interpret it, but it's an amazing solo.

I love them long solos he did, during the NA tour in 06, and the Asia, Mexico and Australian tours in 07. He looked like he was having a blast, and he always smiled during them.  :)

Yeah, after a while, I finally found the YouTube video of the Inland Invasion (the person didn't put a logical keyword on that):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlY7EKlfcdg&feature=related

Yeah, the first part really reminds me a lot of the SCOM vocal melody. Then it suddenly things went crazy. :)

And, for those wondering about the New Jersey video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEBO0450OKk&feature=related

Damn, that really makes me miss him so much. :(

Haha, lol at this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo0oAf_1FMs&feature=related

I can totally hear the vocal melody to SCOM from that! thanks for posting the one from inland invasion, don't think i've seen it for years, reguarly watches the one from new jersey to get my finck fix :)

I miss him as well

Haha, I'm glad it wasn't just me who could hear it.  ;)

And yes, both those solos are amazing.  :love:

I came across this interview where a band called Oceansize, explain how they got Robins artwork on their album called Frames. I had no idea about this until I came across this interview, it is dated from 2007.

I'll just post the Robin/GN'R references but I'll provide the link to the interview below.

PB : How did you get Robin Finck (former Nine Inch Nails and current Guns N? Roses guitarist-Ed) onboard to do the artwork for 'Frames' ?

Gambler : He?s a hero of mine. We saw his art; it is pretty ambiguous and amazing stuff so just asked him if could we use some of his stuff.

PB : Did you meet him?

Gambler : No, we e-mailed him and he was cool with it. I mean if you look at his work. You cannot quite tell what it is. I think our music is a lot like that.

PB : You didn?t by chance ask him when 'Chinese Democracy' was being released ?

Gambler : We thought about it. But judging by the FAQ section of his website entitled ?When will Chinese Democracy be released? we didn?t think it was appropriate.

http://www.pennyblackmusic.co.uk/MagSitePages/Article.aspx?id=4478

I believe this is the Artwork.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_atKrCdoiKZ4/Sq6xwxy9daI/AAAAAAAADnQ/n1IEW3OnHSs/s320/Oceansize+3.jpg

http://img12.nnm.ru/f/8/2/9/8/f8298e605d6fda436e623ade37766e8d_full.jpg

Yeah, those def looks like something Robin-wan Kenobi would do. :)

I must confess, Im not a fan of his drawings, pics and even tweets. But I understand its just the way he is and thats part of his artsy life, which includes his guitar playing (totally wasted in NIN, I must say).

I mean, the guy has one of most unique approach on solos and guitar fills Ive ever seen, but with Trent all hes doing is some basic power chord riffs. IMO, hes there most because of his stage presence and crazyness.

Sorry for the little rant. :( 

I like his drawings and I also love his little poems and phrases, but I know this is subjective.

But I agree with you totally that his talents are not being fully exposed in NIN. I think GN'R was, and maybe only will be the best chance he had at demonstrating his talents to a wide range of people. In GN'R he had the chance to play in a way that he shined more than in NIN's. This is mainly because he was not just playing repetitive power chords. Also while in GN'R it was the first time anyone had heard him really rock a solo, and this became his hidden trademark.

But now he has gone back to NIN, he is not really going get a chance to solo, as I'm not aware of NIN's having any. This is a shame, as in my opinion he is one of the best soloists ever, and he seemed like he enjoyed it too.

I would love for Robin to release a solo album, like the kind of stuff that he did on 'Ghosts Of Mars'.

I just don't get the love.  Part of me wonders if he had a drug or drinking problem on the GNR tours.  He just sounds so sloppy and way out of pitch on many bends.  He has some cool ideas on some solos, if he would just work with a metronome, and his bends, he would be so much better.  He has a pretty weak picking hand it seems, his two hands don't seem to be on the same page, especially live.  In the studio he is a lot better, live, I just don't get the love. 

It wasnt that much different from what Ashba does in some bends now. The point is: of course Robin wasnt perfect note-by-note like Bumblefoot (Yes, Bucket always fucked up that November Rain bend, just like Richard in his last note of his solo on the same song). But Robin also delivered perfect bends - his performance was always fully charged with passion.

About his right hand, I just disagree. He always try to do some of this half-tempo things, but that doesnt make it wrong. I do understand his style (both visual and musical) may offend hard rock purists. That may explain why Robin had (and still have) such a hard time with fans while Ashba had a much warmer welcome and forgiving on mistakes.

Voodoo, you are right that it seems Ashba gets away with a lot more it seems.  Fortus is more spot on live than DJ and Robin.  Robin's magic came in the studio most of the time.  He is very creative.  And SOME parts of SOME of his live solos ARE amazing.  All players make mistakes, especially live when it can often be hard to hear, but DJ and Robin make a lot more it seems than Ron, Richard, and Bucket.

True. But that doesn't make me like him any less. What does makes me dislike something is reppetitive patterns and licks, tho, and Robin didn't seem to suffer much of this.

That's what I find most annoying is people saying that Robin makes mistakes, who doesn't.  :rant:

I think what people seem to not realise, is that just because Robin don't aim to be a bluesy old school rock n roller. People tend think that he makes mistakes, when in reality he is just playing in his personal industrial tinged style.

That is why I loved him so much in GN'R because he never tried to copy any solo note for note.

These are some photos of Robin at Cirque du Neon, at the Museum of Neon Art from 2 weeks ago. Robin looks cool as usual, and it's nice to see some recent pics of him.

(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy129/robinfinckstuff/Cirque%20Du%20Neon/cirqueduneon13.jpg)

(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy129/robinfinckstuff/Cirque%20Du%20Neon/cirqueduneon14.jpg)

(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy129/robinfinckstuff/Cirque%20Du%20Neon/cirqueduneon12.jpg)

(http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy129/robinfinckstuff/Cirque%20Du%20Neon/cirqueduneon.jpg)

more can be found here.

http://s784.photobucket.com/albums/yy129/robinfinckstuff/Cirque%20Du%20Neon/

There are also 2 videos of Robin performing with other musicians. He is mainly in the first video, in the second he appears towards the end.

Video 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUc7lMzCcg

Video 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRGKZmXQJm4

 :love:

Thanks man. I dont think anyone there - not even the other musicians - knew how special Robin is. The song was really lame. :P

But oh well, nice to see Robin playing again. :)

That was rather depressing to watch :(

I think it's something fun and entertaining to watch, for fans of Robin.

It's not done in a serious way, it's just something casual and on the spot. Robins just basically improvising a groove, and playing around with effects. Robin likes doing things like this, it reminds me of the LedZArial project he did.

I'm just happy to see him playing again, believe me I wasn't watching anyone else in those vidoes, just Robin.  ;)

I think its depressing because we miss him.

Well, that's more like the Robin we love:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv1LCLKE6Qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huwvPi1Lhj8&feature=related

:)

Yes, I love those, I think they demonstrate Robins sound perfectly.  :)

On a different note, I've always been interested by this photo.

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/robinbookjm2kp2.jpg)

I think everyone who knows Robin, is aware he is very spiritual. But it's interesting to see he was reading this book, and he seems to hold it in a high regard. I might purchase this book myself to see the kind of things Robin was interested in reading about.

Also, this was the same time period where Robin changed his look to a more, spiritual look (2006/2007). So I wonder if Robin has always been this spiritual?, and I wonder if he still is today?.

Jesus Christ at that video. WTF was that!!!!!!!!

damn, he quit GNR to end up doing this shit?

No.

I dunno, but he may have let it go kinda when he went back to NIN? I mean, by the end of the Japanese tour and the begining of 2008, he changed his look drastically again.

If you are interested in the book that Robin is holding I recommend getting The Infinite Way by the same author before attempting Living Between Two Worlds, as the former serves a more appropriate introduction.

And his look doesn't mean as much regarding his spiritual state, as long as his pendant is still around his neck.

WHERE'S THE ICE CREAM MAN?!!! :hihi:

Hilarious.

seriously, everyone knows im not a Robin fan, but even i don't want to see him doing this... and people shit on Slash for doing Ellen or playing with Fergie :hihi:

Robin is such a great guy...

just look what he became.

(http://www.guitarfxdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/finck.jpg)
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/17847/Robin+Finck.jpg)
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Some might not like the changes and say he's a poser for doing it...
like the NIN - gnr goth look. the 2006 gnr Rock look. and now the nin whatever look again.
I don't mind.

Robin is a unique guy who can do many things... and I like his passion for the things he loves.

For sure. It's such a pitty how a lot judge him by his look...

Excuse me, but being a media whore and playing with whoever makes buzz doesn't really compare to doing something low profile (and not promoting himself) like Robin did.

He changed his look. Big fucking deal.

Not everybody wants to go through life wearing the same clothes or hair style...

Some like to change, some don't.




/jarmo

I was more interested in whether Robin has always been as spiritual as he seemed in 2006/2007 dispite of his look. If I was to have a go at answering my own question, I would say he has. If his tweets, and photos are anything to go by, I would say he still is very much.

And to the poster saying " why did he leave GN'R for this ", I have to say get real. Robin obviously had his own reasons for doing what he did, and no one can judge him for doing so.

In the video at the Museum, he is obviously doing something really low key. Even more low key than the LedZArial project he did with his wife, something on the spot, that takes a few minutes to organise.

To compare that with Slash, who would do just about anything for media exposure, is rediculous.

Please keep Slash out of this thread, it's says Robin Finck in the title for a reason.  :D
 

What are you guys smoking? Like Robin could get media exposure if he wanted to. Like the media even knows who Robin is or could care less. You guys make it sound like the press is banging on his doors.
The only person who shuns the attention given him is Axl Rose. Nobody else has that sort of power.

what are you smoking?  :rofl: I didn't get that expression at all, you're a funny guy

yeah i am sure D had a mullet in the 80s
well maybe he still have it :P

Exactly. And wasnt me (or OneInAMillion or any true Robin fan) who brought Slash to this topic.

Funny how people get here just to throw shit at Robin at the very first opportunity, but when I posted good videos with him they were totally ignored by those people. Wonder if it falls in the description of trolling...

Thanks. Look it up.


No need for that. He does it well to himself in that video. Really, you guys shouldn't comment about songs put out by other ex-GN'R guitarists or even
the current GN'R Robin replacement, because the bar Robin sets these days is really low.


Those songs are from 2001 or earlier and you post them every time something about Robin comes up. 
The "Ghost Of Mars" thing is a little old now, don't you think?

What's next, your usual link to "Sossego"?

I posted his solo spots in 2006 before. Anyways, what's your point in trying to start shit here?

Go troll somewhere else with your Robin bashing and attempts to stir shit up.

Tsk tsk. Someone posted a link, I commented on it. Why are you getting all bent out of shape? If people like the 'Ice cream Man' song, that's fine by me too. :)

When you just commented the video, I didn't care at all as I didn't like it either. But wasn't you who came here all upset because of people talking about your favorite media whore?

The point is: this a thread dedicated to Robin Finck, so you would expect to get people who like him here talking about him. You and D only came here to stir shit up - and you keep doing that. If that's not trolling, I really don't know what it is.

ice cream man sucked, it's not robins song so no we're not getting bent out of shape.. i could care less about that shitty song, robin jammed a little with a friend
doh, my sucky english (confused expression with impression) i meant i didn't get that impression that the dudes here made it sound like the press is banging on his doors, hence why I jokingly asked what you were smoking :)

It is about time for the quarterly hijacking of this thread.

I just hope the rhetoric is better than last time's poor misunderstanding of Truth and Opinion.

As for the "bar" set by Robin these days it's fairly obvious to state that he does whatever he wants.
He completely disregards what Other People believe he should be and this is laughingly the main assault used against him.

I was honestly just floored when i saw that. kinda like when John Frusciante left the Chili Peppers and then that documentary came out and he was all dirty and strung out and poor and shit.

seeing Robin go from GNR to NIN to that really shocked me.

even though i not a fan of his playing.. i still wish him success and all the best.......

I didn't mean to upset people by bringing Slash up.. just for years Finck fans defending him by pointing to all the shit Slash did.. so now the shoe is firmly on the other foot, people now want to get all upset about it.

I think the point we are missing is he didn't "go to that" he merely did it.

I'm not sure how it's connoted that he does small shows with randoms for a living now.
As a matter of fact there's no connotation, just a stretching in order to present a poorly hidden self serving remark.

if u are in GNR and are doing stuff like that, it is acceptable..w hen u quit one of the biggest bands of all time and the next time someone sees u, u are doing that?

spin it however u want. it just shocked me how u can go from Chinese Democracy to the Ice Cream Man......

What part of low profile act didnt you understand? Are you assuming that it was anything serious just because it serves as mockery for you?

Its like assuming Slash would join Black Eyed Peas "after leaving one of the greatest bands of all time".

"if u are in GNR and are doing stuff like that, it is acceptable..w hen u quit one of the biggest bands of all time and the next time someone sees u, u are doing that?

spin it however u want. it just shocked me how u can go from Chinese Democracy to the Ice Cream Man......"


Logical observation 1: When he left Gnr he joined Nin

Logical observation 2: The next time we saw him was a sold out concert

Logical observation 3: He was jamming with friends. It's no big deal

Logical observation 4: You're the one spinning things however you want in order to make a misguided remark.

Wow, who knew that playing alongside your friend at a fundraiser for a non-profit organization was unacceptable unless you?re a member of a huge band? When Robin?s not on tour, when he has the time, he uses his talents to service the community, to share his passion for music, to connect with people, to enlighten them, or to simply entertain, not necessarily expecting anything in return. He?s not doing this to draw attention to himself. He?s a humble guy. Someone just happened to get this on video and it just happened to be found.

I?ve seen some pretty dumb arguments in here in the past, though I rarely lurk. I only felt compelled to say something now after I saw the link to this site in my Photobucket stats for the pictures on the other page, and some of the comments here are so ignorant I just couldn?t help it. 

Also, I don?t think he?s sitting at his house wondering if what he does in his spare time will be approved by GN?R fans (or any of his fans). He does what he wants and he doesn?t have to explain why he chooses to do things the way he does.

I agree 100 %, I posted the link to the ' Robin at the Museum ' photos and video, because I know alot of people are still interested in what Robin gets up to, because they his fans. I will always have a place in my heart for Robin, after seeing him live with GN'R 13 times.  :)

Some people just love criticizing something for the sake of it. Which is something Robin had to put up with alot from so called ' fans ' while he was in GN'R.

 

Wow, thanks for the pics and your words, it set things up for a lot of what people said here.

Also, I'm sorry you had to read through such comments, but I honestly can say he has a lot of true fans here. :)

soverysadaboutus

I've been here for 5 years and that was one of the best posts i've seen at this board :beer:

what do u mean so called fans?

I am a Guns N Roses   Axl Rose fan

U don't have to like Robin to like GNR.



My whole point of this was to show the hypocrisy of GNR fans.

when Robin or whoever else does something ridiculous, some shit excuse is made.

if its Slash, he is a $la$h or anything for exposure or some other bullshit response.

Guy turned his back on Axl and all of the fans. I don't understand why so many act like it didn't happen that way and like he is some sort of victim. He left Axl hanging and tried to cash in and it backfired.

So i hope he is happy being Trent's lackey or playing with the ice cream man.

He tried to cash in ? LOL on what ? exactly... it's truly amazing how some people come in a thread and make shit up.  GnR wasn't active when Robin left,  you must of confused Robin with Ryan Cabera who is trying to cash in on appearing on The Hills.  Robin if you're reading this im sorry.

D, I think you missed the point. But that's not surprising.

Prepare yourselves for a super TL;DR post?  I?m so, so sorry (not really):

What he was doing was not for money, not to attract public opinions, and not for his fans. It would be like saying he is ridiculous for playing ?Dust In The Wind? at your grandma?s house for her birthday. If you want to think what he?s doing is ridiculous, ok, you?re entitled to your opinion, but this has nothing to do with GN?R, nor the state of his career, and you can?t compare it to Slash. When people ridicule Slash for what he does, it?s generally over the way he?s chosen to represent himself in the media, the things he does for money, and the ?artists? he collaborates and associates with in public.

Nothing about Robin?s plans to leave GN?R backfired. Instead of doing fuck all in 2008/2009, he played on NIN?s album The Slip, did a North America summer tour, a few shows in South America, a North America winter tour, an Australian/NZ tour, a North America spring/summer tour, a Europe/Asia tour, and then 10 final North America tour dates. Plus, NIN?s LITS tour was a huge achievement creatively, and something that Robin was proud to be a part of. So, tell me, how exactly do you define ?backfire?? Also, as far as Robin leaving Axl ?hanging? (hahaha), let?s look at these points:

1.) Robin gave up contributing to NIN?s album The Fragile to work with GN'R on Chinese Democracy. The Fragile: released 1999. Chinese Democracy: released 2008.

2.) When Robin rejoined NIN in 1999, he did so because not much was happening on the GN?R front, and the album seemed to be going nowhere. Again, see: Chinese Democracy release date.

3.) Robin did want to tour with NIN in 2005, but in the end he decided to hold onto his gig with GN?R. You're all aware of this, I hope. Instead he waited for Axl to tour again after he'd already waited throughout 2003 and 2004. When did the GN?R tour start up? One year after he could've gone out on the road with NIN.

4.) When Robin rejoined NIN in 2008, Axl was doing nothing. There was no tour in 2008. There were only a few shows at the end of 2009. There were over seven months in between the announcement that Robin was back with NIN and the time CD was released. If Axl had any intention of setting up a tour in 2009, he had plenty of time to find a replacement, and to figure out if Robin was really out of the band for sure. Did you really expect Robin to pass on yet another touring opportunity with NIN, only to wait almost two years to get a chance to tour with GN?R again? See: all other points listed above. Then, imagine yourself in a similar situation, where you have to choose between two jobs. Which job looks more stable and gratifying?

Also, I am glad some of you enjoyed the photos. They are not mine, but I put them together in that album for easy Robin-fan viewing. There are a few others on the Museum of Neon Art's Facebook page, but the ones of Robin not included in the Photobucket album are mostly blurry or dark.

I know there are some awesome Robin fans in the GN'R fanbase, it's just a shame that it's also the home to a lot of people with a completely whacked opinion of who Robin is and why he does certain things.

Awesome post. Even when D tried to twist by making shit up, you still provided a lot of good insights on Robin's carreer moves. Thanks! :)

Alot of people who don't like Robin, hate the fact that Axl/GN'R still love Robin, and left each other on very good terms. Axl has said he considers Robin still apart of the GN'R family, and Richard still follows Robin on twitter.  :)

Axl even spoke highly of Robin when he said that Robin plays a Stevie Ray Vaughan solo on an unreleased song. And I'm glad that 'soverysadaboutus' has posted what she did, it makes perfect sense, and sums up the situation perfectly.

True. Also, I didnt know about Robin's choices back in 2003 and 2005.

As much as I miss Robin's talent for solos on NIN, I understand how he would chose between the two bands now. I only hope we can still listen to his guitar work (and hopefully more of his songwriting) in further GNR albums.

Axl also totally dismissed Robin's playing in that Rolling Stone interview when he talked about now being able to take the music "further" etc


Your post highlights it all. Robin has no loyalty. when it was NIN cash grab time, he ran off with them.. as soon as Trent was finished, he ran back to the GNR paycheck, when Trent was ready to start back up, he ran back with Trent expecting to be done in plenty of time to then head back to Axl's payroll in time for the CD release and tour. At least Slash when he did Snakepit decided to announce he was quitting GNR. he could've done Snakepit and then ran back to GNR, but he didn't. He made a decision and stuck with it. Funny how someone sells out by leaving the biggest band in the world. oh i can make a lot more money guesting on albums and doing a side band.... *Sarcasm* than i can  recording and touring with the biggest band on the planet.

When Axl shocked everyone by releasing the album probably sooner than Robin anticipated, he pretty much was already obligated to NIN's tour therefore Axl had to replace him and now with Trent off doing a new project, and the great DJ Ashba firmly in his chair, Robin is left with what?

bad career move in my opinion. If u "fans" want to try to convince yourself otherwise, be my guest, but in no way in hindsight did this turn out to be a good career move.

Talking about twisting things up. It's always like that with D. First, it was because Robin had no credits in the album. Now, it's because he's a "sell out".

Oh, you forgot that day when Slash desperatly tried to speak with Axl in order to a reunion - doesn't look like he really stuck with his decision, does it?

Also, Josh Freese left NIN while they were on tour (or in a gap), Robin could do the same to get back with GN'R when the album got released. Sorry to break it for you, but seems like he wasn't "obligated" to anything, he just chosed what he wanted.

Funny is that you can't just accept you're talking shit and keep twist things up. And then, we - the fans - are the ones who are trying to "convince" ourselves. Give me a break.

No u just make things up to justify your argument.

When NIN took a break and Freese left, didn't GNR already have Ashba by then or am i mistaken?

No, he left in late 2008. What else am I making up?

Robin Left in 2008 but DJ was named what in May 2009 or something?

when did Josh Freese leave the NIN tour end of 2008. Maybe Axl after hearing of Robin touring with NIN that Summer didn't let him come back? Possible?

my problem with Robin is how he just left with no explanation. maybe he derailed a CD tour and hurt the album release?

D, you're completely hopeless and rarely factual. I sincerely hope anyone reading this thread knows that. You clearly know very little about Robin's relationship with NIN, what he went through with NIN/GN'R, and you're living in a fantasy land where Axl can do no wrong. I have no interest in further debating you.

 robinfincktwits
 
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point out one lie?

Did Robin not leave GNR and go to NIN THEN come back to GNR only to leave without saying a word to anybody to go back to NIN?

The band, Axl no one had any idea what happened. U don't do that to someone who put u in an all time great band, took u around the world, allowed u to create your own art and paid u very well for it. U just don't up and leave without saying anything.

so what part of any of that is false? Don't come on here attacking me without proof of anything im saying being hopeless or saying things i say are rarely factual.

I think u Finck fans can't handle the truth and the fact that he turned his back on Axl and each and everyone of u without a word as to why he did so.

Highly unlikely and I just can't see how you came up with this unprobable possibility with zero indication:


It really is what it is. No decisions have been made by either him, I or us that I'm aware of.

(...)

It's more about seeing where things are when Guns decides it's right for a tour and if we're able to make agreements we both are comfortable and can live with at that time.

Source: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=55296.0

That's what Axl said in December 12th 2008. Seems like he didn't really have concrete plans for a tour back then,  but still counted with the possibility of having Robin back.

That's pure especulation from you, trying really hard to find a fault on the album release/promotion/tour.

Don't forget how DJ was announced in early 2009, but the tour only took place in December.

I just think it's funny how you demand explanation from him when you dislike him so much.

When you assume things like Robin was just trying to cash in, it's basic a lie.

YOU assume he didn't say anything. After all, seemed like Axl was aware of what Robin wanted to do back in late 2008, when the album got released (see quote above).

I can't find the quote but from the Axl interview with Del James, he even said that Robin wanted to tour, but no decisions were made.

You don't provide any proof, just expecting the worse from anything related to Robin in Guns N' Roses - from songwriting credits to his relationship with Axl and his career moves. That's hardly the truth.

Oh, that's your "truth". Funny how Axl didn't seem to share your point of view in those quotes.

For a musician standpoint, to be waiting doing nothing for years - just waiting - doesn't seem like someone who didn't care at all.

Really, your attempt to bash Robin in any way shape or form is getting old. You have way too many posts in this thread trying to attack him - that says a lot to me.

robin is good!

Maybe u have an inside GNR track but in my Chinese Democracy Booklet Robin gets 1 song credit.

now i realize that ASCAP etc does things differently, but at the time, i only had the booklet to go on.


Axl's statement is in no way positive. it is what it is and on the statement on the website it sounded like they had no idea what was going on.

My whole point has been pointing out certain hypocrisies

Robin does things and it is forgiven or supported whereas Slash has done similar things only to be blasted

This is Robin at the NAMM show this year, and also his signature guitar.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1068/4597279193_4fd06f318a_b.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1162/4597280463_275487a9fe_b.jpg)

Photo Credits : Ken Yonekura

Robin basically left and kept his mouth shut, Slash spew shit for years, yup that's similar and finck fans are hypocrites

Thanks mate, awesome Jaguar with Brigsby bar. Not really my style, but gorgeous indeed. :)

No, at the time we talked about how Estranged and November Rain were credited only as an Axl song, but still had important - and obvious - Slash writing with AT LEAST the solos. But you kept ignoring.

When the Chinese Democracy Guitar Book was released, you were still bashing Robin like the only one thing he ever did in studio was to write Better - which, not surprising, you dislike (even tho its a favorite of the new ones for A LOT of people).

They may had some confusion at the time, but by the time the album was released it seemed like they had a pretty good idea. And his further nice comments on Robin's work (like that SRV-esque solo he mentioned and his guitar work on TWAT) weren't negative at all.

Really? How a private and low key gig for a friend is similar to Slash's appearance on broadcast TV and pretty much anything and anywhere? And you keep ignoring what soverysadaboutus told about the years Robin dedicated to Axl and the waiting.

Also, I don't know what the hell does Slash has to do with all this. I can speak for myself that I never bashed Slash on the VR section nor did any comment on his solo album. Why? Because I have no interest in his work (although I kept checking and listening some stuff), so I don't see the need to stir shit up (with lies or whatever misguided POV of things) with people who like him. Unlike you, who keep posting here and in the GNR main board just to badmouth Robin.

:hihi:

These pictures are also recent, being taken on April 11.

It shows Robin at a NIN screening, where there was also a Q&A session as well.

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/Robin1.jpg)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/Robin2.jpg)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/Robin3.jpg)

Photo Credit : sleepydoll



(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4514248684_41afd1d9d2_b.jpg)

Photo Credit : erikhustad


There are a few more as well, just go to Flickr and search ' Robin Finck ', and then click recent.  ;)

Wow, he looks so different.. Kinda older too, hehe.

Thanks again for the pics! :)

Here's 2 nice videos of Robin meeting fans in Chile.

Robin shows alot of patience and seems to enjoy the company of the fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYbJ0g-jEjc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlYsINeublk

In the second video at 5.40, I love the way Robin looks at the guy who asks for a photo for the second time. After also taking a while by asking another person to take his first pic. As I said Robin does well to keep his patience, especially in the second video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo0oAf_1FMs

Funniest shit iv ever seen :rofl:

Yeah, I posted that earlier.

Seems like he's a nice person with fans. I remember a girl talking about how nice he was in the Leeds 2002 backstage. Also other people talking nicely about him in the 2006 tour...

i didnt wanna step into this argument until i read this!!     Dude, YOU dont even know what the truth is so how the  hell would u know??   Nothin' has been officially said about it and u go n say things like he turned his back on everyone!! ::)        maybe he had enough of Axl and WAITING since 97' to release material, that must of been frustrating as all hell!!

Robin was the best thing that happend to GNR!!   :beer: :beer:

cheapjon putting slash fans in their place!

great pics btw

I just came across a Robin shirt that I've never seen before, as well as the Robin/GN'R one.

http://www.buyrocktshirts.com/robinfinckspinetee.aspx

I wish there were more Robin shirts out there, I'd certainly buy them.

Great design. Simple and well made.

Pretty sure they sold those on the 2002 & 2006 tours.

I'm certain they never sold that design or the GN'R version at the 2006 shows, I would have seen them. But I can't be certain about 2002, and if they did, why wasn't it on the GN'R merch site that sold stuff from the 2002 tour like the Buckethead shirt?.

I would just love to buy a shirt with a picture of Robin on the front, in an epic pose.  :)

I'm not 100% sure but I believe they were only sold on Robins website.

I missed out on the 2002 tour, but I definately remember seeing the "spine shirt" on the 2006 tour as I almost bought one.

The spine one was sold in 2006 but i only saw it for Sale in the NY shows. I dont remember seeing them in the LA shows. In 2002 I didn't attend any shows but i remember the gnr store online had one that said robin finck across the chest with his silhouette in the middle. I had that one too... kinda missed that shirt :(

I honestly thought no Robin shirts were sold in 2006. I went to shows in Europe, UK and even Vegas, and I never saw one once.

I have 2 Robin/GN'R tees, I like that spine design too.

As I said earlier, I just wish Robin had more shirts with different designs on sale.

I bought the spine shirt in Las Vegas in 2006 so they were selling them there also.

-= izZbO =-

how I didn't see them shirts I never know.  ;)

At Vegas I brought the shirt with the Blue ' Las Vegas ' writing on the back, and also the white one where the womans crossing her legs.

I'm so tempted to go to a site like spreadshirt and put my fav image of Robin on a shirt and buy it. I know they sometimes don't look right, but I need a Robin shirt with his image on the front now!!!.  :)

It was, I bought mine from there!

I'm not on about the Robin shirt where his name is across the chest and GUNS N ROSES is on the back bottom. I'm on about the shirt in the link, the SPINE version.

Again to my knowledge only the Robin shirt with his name across the chest was on the GN'R merch site, and not the SPINE version.

I also brought my Robin shirts from the GN'R merch site but only the GN'R version, if the SPINE version was on there I'm sure I would have got that too.

You're right! I like the GN'R version, it's a bit worn out though...

AMAZING MAN... I LOVE ROBIN

 :'(

I was doing my daily routine check of Robins' Twitter, and he has posted a few messages, the first for a while. I have to smile when I read them, God knows how he thinks of these little poems and phrases, I love the man.  :)

tied fast with fresh tangle and drool. Thank you for your letters while I was at a distance. Over.
1 day ago via TweetDeck

did the jig with Cee-Lo and Tommy Lee, and affectionately fashioned a few folders fusing longing with readied expectancy,
2:03 AM Jun 25th via TweetDeck

Alas, I've successfully squeezened through a breach in the chassis. A charge of remembrance flares I, built an enormous vegetable garden,
2:02 AM Jun 25th via TweetDeck

Initially, my 1's and 0's were in a whirl, leaving daisies for chain. 800 lasso strained from reach as I was, mislaid to current.
2:01 AM Jun 25th via TweetDeck

Luminous electro steadies careening to no end. I couldn't get back to the port from whence I'd arrived.
2:00 AM Jun 25th via TweetDeck

Dear Twitter, I was trapped inside a hard drive for an interminable term. The stay was, at times, cold and frightening.
1:59 AM Jun 25th via TweetDeck

 : ok:

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1733/roba.jpg) (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/roba.jpg/)

Dude .... What's wrong with him?

Nothing wrong with him. You just need a Robin translator to understand it.

Appears that he just installed the Windows 7 OS in his computer. :hihi:

I've just came upon these videos of Robin at a NIN press conference.

Well I have never heard Robin talk so much in all my life, at least not his speaking voice. For any Robin fans, check out this video(s), where you get to hear Robin talk for lengthy periods of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN0NiBjqwyk

I will only post this part as the others are down the side, I think there are 10 altogether.

 :)

Great find, thanks! He looks (and sounds) way more "normal" than when he's on stage, haha.

I wonder what's up with him right now, if he would at least watch a GNR show with Ashba...

I too wonder what he's up to.

I think he would be fine watching a GN'R show with Ashba, I think he would find it intriguing. It's so nice how Ron recently said he is probably closer to Robin now, than ever before. And Ron also stated he has seen Robin with NIN.

In my view Robin is still very much apart of the GN'R family, just like a distant relative.  :)

I hope he still is part of the family, as I would love to hear his guitar on the next album too.

I was listening to the Brisbane 2007 bootleg and man, he was so good. Even fucking things up, haha. I miss his energy on SCOM and that awesome rhythm guitar work on Patience.

Hope the same too.

There was something in him and in his playing that I really miss, DJ is good but Robin was something else.

I loved his melodies throughout November Rain too, you could really hear them.  :)

My feelings as a fan is that he will definitely be on the next GN'R album in some form. Axl complimented Robin on one of his solos in a new song, so we have that to look forward too.

Regarding GN'R live, I feel and hope Robin might be a special guest just like Izzy was. And if this did happen, my feelings is that it might take place in a city such as Los Angeles or New York.

I love DJ, but as a Robin fan I would love for Robin to make another appearance onstage with GN'R. Even if it is just for a few songs, like Izzy and even Bach.  ;)

I would love to, but I dont see this happening. I mean, much like Bucket, Robin seem to have moved on already. I dunno, hope Im wrong.

I too have this feeling, it may be wishfull thinking on my part. At least the Robin and GN'R situation was more reasonable and good willed, than the Buckethead case.

The only contact Bucket still had with GN'R was Brain, and now Brain is not a prominent member of Guns anymore. But with Robin he is still on very good terms with all the guys, Ron checked out a NIN show, Richard is obviously really close with Robin and Axl has also commented on Robin in a favourable way.

DJ has also stated he respects Robin, which he said in his Haunted Mansion chats just as he joined GN'R. So if Robin was up for it, when GN'R are in LA, who knows.  :)

But Voodoo, you may be right, but I'm a believer.  :drool:

I dont think there is any bad blood between Robin and the guys, but that doesnt mean he would enjoy playing in this gig again.

moved on to what exactly?

to doing their own stuff.

To me he doesn't care about GN'R.

It seems he's like a I-move-on-easily kind of guy.

So basicly the guy who saved Gnr (guitar wise) didn't care about gnr...
or who wrote most part's on gnr's albums.(futurewise)

Seriously, when is his website gonna be up and running again ?

I dont get what people who dislike Robin keep posting in this thread. Really...

Did Robin ever speak when Ashba replaced him?

if we didn't  this thing would be 3 pages long and buried with 2 people discussing him.

So?

About GNR or anything related? I dont think so.

Don't get me wrong, I think Robin is one of the biggest guitarrist that GN'R ever had! But I think the guy is not a "Guns N' Roses widow". That's it.

When I said "he doesn't care about GN'R" I'm not saying it in a negative way. I mean he can live without GN'R

Well after seeing Guns in Paris on the 13th, it was abit emotional for me because I was seeing GN'R in the same place that I had in 2006 (Bercy Arena), when Robin was still in the band.

I have seen GN'R 5 times so far since Robins' departure (GN'R - 18 times total), and this is the first time where it's the same venue that I saw Robin play with GN'R in 2006. And I even told Cyllan at the Paris show, that I loved Robin and was sad to see him go.

But now I have seen GN'R without Robin a few times, I can say that GN'R still rock. And they are better than ever and everyone plays great. Ashba plays Robins' parts brilliantly, and I want to thank DJ for respecting Robins original idea on This I Love, and not changing it too much.

The fact of life is, is that people move on, even if we don't want them too. Would I still prefer Robin in GN'R today?, you can bet your life that I do!!!!!!!. But I have accepted that Robin is happy in his life, and GN'R are still the best band in the world. And I am glad that GN'R and Robin are doing well seperately, if that's the way it has to be.  :)

Indeed. I saw the band live and I even met Ashba. He's one hell of a person, really as nice as Ron. I will never forget that.

I just miss Robin a lot and it's really sad to see that it's unlikely to see him doing anything in his carreer now like he did with GNR (I mean, the solos, the guitar work... I think in NIN he's way too underused).

That is one great thing about GNR, if you are a guitar player, you will be heard, a lot.  I hope the guitar is always the driving force behind GNR.  I love the piano songs, but the guitars need to be the main instruments pushing the songs.

I dunno if tue guitar needs to be the main instrument all the time, but I agree with you. But that doesnt mean Robin couldnt do something like what he did with the Ghosts of mars OST. I dunno why he dont seem interested, tho.

I was browsing the net for Robin stuff, and came across this that I knew nothing about.

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/RobinBook.jpg)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Robin-Finck-Lambert-M-Surhone/dp/6131053170/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1285192590&sr=8-8

At first glance it looks like a Wikipedia kind of book, which concentrates on Robins' career. I hope that Robin releases a book himself one day, it would be so cool to get his view, about his time with NIN, GN'R as well as his early band Impotent Sea Snakes.  :drool:

But this is certainly a nice surprise :). Never knew there was a book about Robins' career.  : ok:

Gosh, looks kinda cheap to me. I mean, is there any real research besides Wikipedia in this one?

I do hope he releases his memories one day, even if its on his defunct site. Would be cool to know more about his writing stories on Chinese Democracy and the other tracks and also about his decision to leave the band.

Thanks for the find! : ok:

I'm not sure if there is anything other than the Wiki articles, but I hope there is. I have only just came across it, but it seems like it's been out a few months.

I absolutely love this short video of November Rain from the plum club in NYC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-NtwKcWaM

Just watch Robin get into that solo, and look at his face.  ;D

Then if that weren't enough, just keep an eye on Richard. Because even he has to smile as he glances over at Robin during the solo. I always loved that about Robin, he always truely felt the songs, and expressed it through physical emotion.  : ok:

Great video. Sad to see such ignorant comments on YouTube tho - nothing personal against Robin, but the whole band. Its the same shit in every single video...


Anyways, I always loved Robin's version of this solo. I like his take on the 1st solo too in 2001 (the Vegas and Rio gigs), it was a nice blend with new licks and the original thing.

I totally agree, the Rio 2001 version of November Rain, rocked with Robins 2 solos. It's a perfect example of Robin putting his own spin on the songs, whilst respecting the original idea.

Same with the solos in Brownstone, Sweet Child, Jungle (1st solo), Paradise City and much more. It's much harder I think, to cover a solo and put your own spin on it. Rather than just covering it note for note.

I always loved Robin for that.  :love:

I like pretty much all of his versions of solos besides My Michelle perhaps. But as guitar work, Id say his version of Patience was absolutely gorgeous.

I wish they'd release the re-recorded version of Appetite they did in 1998 with Robin doing all of the solos, I know about the SCOM leak, but to hear all of the solos would be awesome!

Axl
Robin
Tommy
Dizzy
Freese
Tobias.

It wasn't really a leak, but something on the ending credits of the movie Big Daddy, with Adam Sandler.

If that re recorded SCOM is anything to go by, I would say that it kicks ass.

I would love to hear the re recorded appetite, I think the band from 1998-2002 would have owned them songs in the studio, just as they did live.

Who knows, it may be something that is bundled in a package in the future. It might be a fair few years away, but I wouldn't say the chances are impossible to hear this recording.

Let's hope, right.  ;D

^ I answered before, but it got deleted. Oh well... I just would love to hear those rerecorded songs, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

Anyways...

Kinda rare, but here's a Robin solo in NIN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByQKswqVvsQ

Saw it on Esteban's Facebook. :hihi:

 :love: ROBIN  :love:

 :beer:

Really nice to see him soloing again, and he rocks it as usual.  ;)

For My.. Robin Is Something Very Special That Happened To GN 'R

 :smoking:

I can't get over how he keeps changing his image, it looks like 3 different people!

2001
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/256578/Robin+Finck.jpg)

2006
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Robin_Finck.jpg)

2008
(http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/82/Robin_Finck_2008_09_05.jpg)

I remember when so many people changed their minds about Robin when he showed up "less gothic" in 2006. God knows how much he was unfairly judge by that look...

Downloaded a NIN show and watched it yesterday. While I can still recognize Robin's signature sound, its really buried in all those repetitive riffs and keyboard noises. I do like some songs, but I still think its a waste of a trully awesome musician.

I agree


I agree
Saw NIN on werchter in 2009. I liked them, but I would've loved to hear a bit more Robin and a bit less NIN..

Adwin David Brown, Robin Finck & DJ Neon Hunter : Cirque Du Neon @ Museum of Neon Art

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUc7lMzCcg

I don't think he did himself any favours with the gothic look though.
GN'R to me has always been as much about being a cool looking bunch of mothefuckers as well as the cool music. Robin didn't look cool in his gothic days, he just looked weird.
I still always dug his playing though.

I loved his gothic look... at one point i said, when i cut off my long hair i would have it just like robin, but it never happened lol.

He used this look back when Axl called him to join the band. It's not fair to judge him by this as much as Buckethead for using that mask.

IMO, the band was always about sounding good rather than looking cool. And the music is too awesome to underestimate because of this.

I really liked the 2006 look.  I don't know why, by far my favorite.

My favourite Robin look ever probably was at the start of every GN'R show in 2006/07. When he used to wear a long black coat and a tophat, he looked so haunting and mysterious.

I also dig his 2002 look as this is Robins most personal look, I think it's just 'him'.  :love:

Any idea when Robins website is coming back online?

I don't know, I think he kinda wants to be offline these days. :(

I have no idea Gezzy, although I do love Robins' use of the word soon.

I think soon is the word again.  ;)

I made these video stills for my facebook, so I thought it'll be cool to post them here too.  :)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/finck4.jpg)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/finck-1.jpg)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/finck2.jpg)

(http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/finck3.jpg)

^ Loved that outfit.

    :beer:        HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROBIN FINCK              :beer:

                         :birthday:  November 7th, 1971 :birthday:

                          (http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/leegnr/Robin1.jpg)



Happy Birthday to my favourite guitarist of all time. Thank you for all your hardwork while with GN'R, and thank you for your amazing work on Chinese Democracy.  :love: :love:


Happy Birthday Robin...   :birthday:

happy bday  :beer:

Happy birthday man. You keep inspiring me and I only hope to listen to more of your OWN material, even outside GNR. :)

anyone know if he played with gary numan for the show in LA?

I dunno, last time I heard things didnt work out for the couple of gigs he was invited to.

I think this twit that Robin did a while ago, says his intentions clearly.

Robin Finck

So now I'm keeping pretty underground, I guess, we'll see. 1day I might get found if someone hears the sound of me. http://twitpic.com/zog9b
1,264,409,543,000.00 via TweetDeck


So it seems Voodoo is right, Robin seems to want to keep a low profile these days. I hope it's not for long though, and we all get to hear him again soon.

Here's two of my all-time favorite Robin vids'. He totally rips the SCOM solo and outro a new asshole so bad it'd probably make D and Genesis break down and cry ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfed6Qvbmes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfed6Qvbmes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQr3PC98JCQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQr3PC98JCQ)

YEAHHH MAN !! IDEM !! ROBINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN  :love:

 :beer: :beer:

That was magic, he always did own that SCOM solo didn't he.  ;D

I remember watching the Madison Square Garden show from 2002, and I couldn't believe Robins solo. Blew me totally away, and he hardly looked at the fret board, amazing.  8)

^You mean this one? ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMrxf4aW8g&sns=em

I remember this one, it was intense and amazing

I do Voodoo, and guess what?, I saw it on your facebook.  ;D

That solo is in my opinion the best ever SCOM solo ever done under the GN'R banner, past, present and future. Robin ripped that one a new asshole right there, and even bowed afterwards.  8)

What makes it even more thrilling, is that he hardly looks at the fretboard. Now that is just Robin being another wordly alien, it's like he's from another universe.  ;)

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Gm4acjCalLulPM:http://i42.tinypic.com/seykcp.jpg&t=1)

That's right. His SCOM solo was the best ever - yeah, and that's my opinion. Miss that a lot.

That whole MSG show was magic. And yeah love the bow at the end of the solo.

I remember seeing a video of SCOM which I think was Paris in 2006 where I remember thinking Robin was godly, but I have not seen it for years, I am almost afraid to stumble across it in case it is not as great as I thought it was!

the video image of robin soloing at SCOM in POPB 2006 is magic, pure adrenaline... i used to have that piece of video in my hard drive. amazing

I was lucky to be there and it was magic, Robin shined brightest that night.

In this one halfway through the solo, he lifts up his guitar and he looks badass. If anyone doubts Robins' capabilities just look at that piece of footage, plays it better than the creator.  ;)

Didn't see a better quality video (I don't remember if a DVD ever surfaced), but here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfYgscHydm8&feature=related

You're right, Robin was on fire there.

Yes, that's the one I found too. But there were a bunch of videos from that show, and a guy recorded November Rain, Madagascar and Sweet Child O' Mine in really good quality. But, it seems they have been deleted as I can't find them.  :'(


It had an awesome close up of Robin, while doing that legendary solo.  ;D

Ya know it's funny.... I love what DJ has brought to the band... But his SCOM solo always makes me miss Robin... I mean what's the point of only playing half of it?!? Hell I'd love to see 4tus' take on it!

I'm not sure why it is not played by one guitarist either, maybe they wanted to twist things up abit. Also another thing I noticed about the solo by Ron and DJ, is that they have 2 completely different tones. DJ, uses a classic les paul crunch sound, where as Rons' tone sounds more softer and Buckethead like.

I make no secret about the fact I prefer Robins version of the SCOM solo above all the rest. He just rocked that night after night. Also the solo is played currently like the Appetite album version, where Robin changed it and added his own style to it. It takes alot of skill to change an iconic solo like SCOM and make it still work, but Robin made it better.

He is God.  ;D

Amen! ;D

I do like Ron's take (his wah sound is fatter than his regular tone), but I just love what Robin did with it. Im just glad we have many quality and even soundboard and studio recordings of it. :)

I've always enjoyed this:


if i were completely unafraid of what anybody at all thought about me,
if i could truly embody that which excites and thrills me most,
if i could let go of the need to be fueled by some distant destination, but be filled by it now,
if i were gratefully aware of all that is the truth of my being,
if my dream would just let me scream this time,

inside the skull if i no longer sat with my back towards the fun,
if i could dive headfirst into it, no longer questioning the source,
if i knew the truth were never gonna change,
if i believed in the effect it would cause,
if i could disqualify blame,

if i could tune to you and sing,
if i could dance with fear at the party,
if i would not stay stuck for straying, but celebrate. i am back.
if i would tend a heart that?s waking,
if i had the patience to watch it unfold,

if i were the cause of it all,
if i were the reason and the law,
if i knew that i?d have my way,
if i could pick off where i left up,
if i were the abandoned, building.

if i were to take down the questions and start giving away answers,
if i were the speeding bullet, the local motive, and the tall buildings,
if the only place left to hide was to seek,
if i were your arms open wide,
if i were you, turning,

i?d probably say something this way:

i am. in tune with the one presence right now. we all share it. it?s
important to realize the sharing part. all ways reaching. life simply is, empty and
meaningless, fulfilled by the condition of my attention. an impersonal field of
bold intuition, choice, and potential made new in each direction. the body of
my experience is made manifest to the degree that i believe it is so.
and the rest i don?t have figured out juss yet?but i?m letting go all the same.
so that?s done.
and now??

Couldn't agree more Henson, I loved his little poems and letters.  :love:

I sometimes go to the web archive, and have a look at Robin's website from 2006-2007. And if you do that you can still look at all of his letters, and also, call to respond, or the blind.

I hope his new site is not too far away.  : ok:

Me too! This has long been one of my favorites!

What do you do if you know that in just a couple of month you are going to die for a strange illness that it's impossible to defeat? I repeated this question in my mind a million time.....now i have few time and i haven't find a answer or something to do before i leave this planet.
Jhon

r ob i    n: if this is appearing for you in your life, my heart is with you now.
actually, i've considered this thought before. i wrote something down about a year or more ago, certainly with no mind to post it worldwidewebley. this is what i wrote then, unedited:
if i had 6 months left to live:

i would more openly and willingly and fearlessly integrate myself, my life, and my desires with those i care about.
it would have me ACTING upon right choices and conclusions about my cosmology as opposed to merely secretly endorsing them.
i would choose forgiveness every chance i got.
i would stand in truth only.
i would clean my house less.
i would sing more.
i would worry less. yow.
i would cook food?
i would recognize that my relationships are founded in union with that which is eternal.
my goals would be charged by the fire of love for all of life.
i might could probably hit a monstrous mean streak, tail spin, wipe out, and lose my voice.
and then i'd listen.
i would enjoy my body while i still had the keys.
my efforts and actions would reflect my values.
i would allow others to be exactly who they be.
hmm. i would ENCOURAGE others to be exactly who they be.
i would honor my time spent alone.
i would acknowledge that every space is sacred. all ways.
i would not beat myself up for wandering astray, but celebrate that i am back in my own groove NOW.
i would ensure that each time i parted with another person, however brief, that i leave them in love, joy, and the brilliance of new beginnings and endless possibilities.
for them and for we.
i'd go out and simply have a ball.
why the fuck not?
------------
my my, how lofty the real for which we long.
all the time scattered and spitting and scratching toward some smudge-less pane.
...what's your list like?

I actually had that whole question and answer about "what would you do if you have not got long left to live" on my facebook favourite quotes for while. A true and honest answer by Robin, and one that everyone should read.

It makes you appreciate your life much more.  ;)

Trent tweeted that he was watching some footage from the NIN shows last year, and it made him miss touring. And he tagged Robin in the tweet as well as the other band members.

And Robin replied with this tweet...

Robin Finck

@trent_reznor

Rad!! My plezsh immensely. Gracias mi hermano.
3:01 AM Nov 30th via TweetDeck in reply to trent_reznor

For those that know Spanish you will know that the last part of what Robin said means "Thank you my brother". Very cool of Robin to respond to Trent, and who knows if this will make Trent rethink the NIN situation.  :)

Damn I miss Robin so fucking much...

He doesnt need Trent to come out of his cave and play again. I wish he could do something more in the GNR line, like his solos on Ghosts of Mars OST.

I agree, I just think we may not see him in that kind of environment again without GN'R or even NIN. Robin isn't the sort of person to start a band from scratch, I only see him being in the spotlight again is if NIN starts up again. I hope I'm wrong and Robin just springs something on us we aren't expecting, but that how I see it realisticly.

I would prefer Robin work on solo material, like you suggested, Ghosts Of Mars type of stuff. I'd buy it instantly, I love his style.

good times, I was there. this guy eclipsed Slash memories, that's something.

He was about to do a guest spot with that dude from the 80's, so I have some hope to see him doing stuff other than NIN.

But it would be really awesome if he started a band from scratch. Just a hint: it could have Buckethead, Paul Tobias and Josh Freese with him. ;)

For sure, his SCOM was a true highlight of every show.

And maybe Les Claypool for bass guitar :)

Wow, that would probably cause a tornado or something.  ;D

Too much talent in the same room.  : ok:

They could play Sossego with Robin singing. ;D

That was really funny to Brazilians. The guitar work was awesome, tho.

I really liked that too, I wish he continued to do these type of solos with him singing, throughout the rest of the tours. I was hoping he was going to do it when I saw GN'R on May 27th 2006 in lisbon, seeing how it is a Portuguesse speaking country, just like Brazil.

I think he just thought he could go on tour with NIN and return to GNR after, but that obviously wasnt the case

His contract ran out(if we believe Azoff,)
and Robin might have become tired of waiting

How can you think that?.  :P

I think when Robin commited to the NIN tour in 2008, he knew pretty much that his time in GN'R was over, he wasn't expecting to come back at all.

Do you really think he wanted to tour for 5 years nonstop, no. So he was planning on taking a long break after the NIN tour, which meant that even if GN'R never had DJ and wanted Robin back, he would have probably refused anyway.


Where did you read that?, I'm not aware of any such comment from Azoff.

Never knew about that either. But I don't think the band would issue an statement about Robin's "suddenly departure" if it was just about his contract.

Personally I think Robin toured with NIN knowing GNR was gonna stay idle.... Then Azoff started talking VH/GNR tour which forced DJ to replace Robin...

This seems very calculated by Azoff, and what I think in part Axl meant by Azoff trying to sabotage him...

To be honest I do agree with you, I deep down believe Azoff had something to do with Robin and GN'R no longer being associated. Azoffs' intentions was to coax Axl into a reunion, so what better way than to get rid of a guitar player who represents everything about Chinese Democracy and that era/direction.

I didn't think it at first until somebody suggested it a couple of months ago, but looking at all of the facts. I do think that Azoff had alot to do with Robins departure.

So fuck you Azoff.  :rant:

Honestly, I believe Robin was aware that something would happen - a tour or a couple of shows. But still, he decided to go on and continue playing with Trent regardless of what the GNR plans would be.

If Azoff didnt help in this case, at the same time I dont think it was his fault. But yeah, fuck him because he's a moron for the other stuff he did. ;D

I guess we'll never know... But I think had GNR not been thinking about VH, Robin would have been available by the time they did end up touring

Definitely agree, good point.  : ok:

I was listening to his solo spot before Paradise City in the Boston soundboard (kinda as its mixed with audience recording) 2002 bootleg and noticed a really crispy... I mean, sharp tone in his guitar. I don't know, but I think he kinda ditched this sound in the 2006 tour - it was too damn sharp, almost sounding like overdistorted.

I dunno if it's a mix problem, though. His tone in Vegas 2001 was superb, I have absolutely no complaints.

Cee Lo Green speaking on Robins playing on "The Lady Killer"

Robin is a tone freak! He brought his guitar tech, guitars, pedal board, a Fender twin, and Gallien-Krueger cab. He dialed in the tone he wanted (which was absolutely amazing), and I threw up a 57 and a 421 and let him go to town. Again, it starts with the player. I?m not going to tell Robin Finck shit! I?m going to let Robin be Robin! My job in these situations is of course to get great sounds, but really be able to manage the flow in the studio and capture the magic when it happens

Thanks for finding that, never knew about this.  : ok:


Yes, I too feel Robins tone in 2006 was slightly less sharp than in 2002. Might be down to using different equipment, or a change in amp settings. I don't think you can beat Robins Les Paul tone, especially from 2002. It sounded so clear and crisp, I also loved Bucketheads tone on Sweet Child.

And just for the record, I also think Buckets Sweet Child interlude solos, are the best anyone's ever performed in GN'R, past or present.

Oh, IMO his tone was really awesome - and one of the most unique I've ever heard (of course, his style of playing has a lot to do with this).

I loved the 2006 tone like in the IRS intro. I wished the album version was more like it, that rocked so much.

I think his tone on This I Love is what sounded the most like his live stage sound - of course, really good and sharp as hell. :hihi:

This an interview Robin did while with NIN, and I believe it is from early 2009. It's very interesting to hear his comment on GN'R, since to his credit, he chooses not to discuss GN'R at all in interviews.

Robin handles the interviewer brilliantly who is obviously fishing for a bad word about Axl. But Robin doesn't give the interviewer what he wants, he speaks about GN'R respectfully and even wishes them luck.  :)

________________________________________________________________________________________________



Nine Inch Nails
Robin Finck is looking forward to playing on Nine Inch Nails' Australian tour. Just don't ask about his former boss.
By Andrew P Street

Last time Nine Inch Nails were here it seemed like the band were finished. Trent Reznor notoriously encouraged the Luna Park audience to pirate his records during an on-stage rant, much to the displeasure of his then-record company Universal, and the tour ended with him sacking the entire band.

"Oh, is that right?" laughs guitarist Robin Finck. He wasn't part of that line-up, but he has been in NIN more often than just about anyone, having toured with them on and off from the mid-90s and playing on last year's The Slip. That's not all: he toured with (and met his acrobat wife through) Cirque du Soleil, as guitarist for their show Quidam. He was also part of Guns n' Roses, co-writing and playing on much of Chinese Democracy ? although he's loathe to even mention the fact. He's sounding chipper about his current job, though.

"It's still exciting. I still get a charge from stepping into these songs and playing in front of these audiences and playing with the guys in the band," he begins. "We're just about to start making noise with these songs, the four of us. We're gonna flesh out these songs and see what we come up with. We're already excited about doing it - we've been talking about it, but we haven't gotten in the room and hammered them out."

Those who saw the band last time around should take note: this time around the band will be a lean, rockin', guitar-based quartet. "We're going out as a four piece, as opposed to five, and we're really gonna strip these songs down and build them back up in a way that's exciting and fresh and feels alive for the four of us."

Finck has enjoyed a remarkable ? arguably unique ? degree of creative input in his recent projects, considering he's been working with people regarded as highly idiosyncratic creative mavericks. "Oh sure. I'm fortunate to have been involved in the... teams that I've been playing with," he says, carefully. "I'm certainly grateful."

And he's worked with some people who are notoriously, shall we say, challenging to work with...

"Sure, they're terribly different people," he says hesitantly, accurately predicting where this line of questioning is headed. "Trent is really forthright with the vision, whether it's a song or the stage or the presentation or the concepts or the sound design, or just getting a song together ? but he also has an ear for others' input. And he always shows up and really has a love and a care for what he's doing with these songs and really with everything in Nine Inch Nails. And that's inspiring and refreshing, you know? We put in long hours when we're working on this stuff and it's very satisfying."

As opposed to, say, working with... certain other people?

"Look, I'm not really here to talk about the Guns n' Roses guys," he counters, with the sort of diplomacy one might use when discussing a notoriously litigious former employer who likes to start feuds at the drop of a hat. "I certainly wish them the best, though."

Alright, fine. So how does one go from being lead guitarist with a couple of the biggest rock bands on the planet to playing fiddly classical guitar for a circus?

"That was kind of a trip," he laughs. "I jumped two feet over the fence and I don't know where I landed - I landed in some crazy place. It was wonderful and it was very romantic and charming and I met some lifelong friends through that experience, and I married one of 'em. And it was quite an inspiration too, just to step away from the rock world, specifically the touring life of a rock band at that time for me in my life. Really, the music: that was all second to the lifestyle that I was seeking. I was looking for something to turn my world around, first and foremost, and playing music was really secondary."

Any desire to go back to something like that?

"I'm always open to things. I mean, right now I'm chest-deep in Nine Inch Nails - there's a lot for me to be excited about and to apply myself towards - but eventually I see myself singing my own record. But right now I'm leaning into Nine Inch Nails with everything I've got. And there's a lot to lean into."

Nine Inch Nails headline Soundwave at Eastern Creek Racecourse on Sun 22 Feb and play the Hordern Pavilion on Tue 24 Feb.

 ;)

Wow, that's a trully great find man, thanks a lot! :D

Just for the record, what's the source?

So, the good news is that he's open to the possibility of doing a solo record (or start a band with him being the lead singer?). That would be awesome and I just can't figure out what weirdness he would put out from all of this, haha. It would be awesome, tho.

About the GNR thing... I think he certainly shows some bad feelings. I don't know, it was my impression. I wonder if what he says here apply to Axl:

"but he also has an ear for others' input. And he always shows up and really has a love and a care for what he's doing with these songs and really with everything in Nine Inch Nails."

(Source Added)

This an interview Robin did while with NIN, and I believe it is from early 2009. It's very interesting to hear his comment on GN'R, since to his credit, he chooses not to discuss GN'R at all in interviews.

Robin handles the interviewer brilliantly who is obviously fishing for a bad word about Axl. But Robin doesn't give the interviewer what he wants, he speaks about GN'R respectfully and even wishes them luck.  :)

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Credit for this interview goes to...
 
http://www.finckaholics.com/forum/index.php  (Amazing forum by the way)

Who in turn credit miss_hazy for the article.

Source

http://www.timeoutsydney.com.au/music/nine-inch-nails-interview-54.aspx

Nine Inch Nails
Robin Finck is looking forward to playing on Nine Inch Nails' Australian tour. Just don't ask about his former boss.
By Andrew P Street

Last time Nine Inch Nails were here it seemed like the band were finished. Trent Reznor notoriously encouraged the Luna Park audience to pirate his records during an on-stage rant, much to the displeasure of his then-record company Universal, and the tour ended with him sacking the entire band.

"Oh, is that right?" laughs guitarist Robin Finck. He wasn't part of that line-up, but he has been in NIN more often than just about anyone, having toured with them on and off from the mid-90s and playing on last year's The Slip. That's not all: he toured with (and met his acrobat wife through) Cirque du Soleil, as guitarist for their show Quidam. He was also part of Guns n' Roses, co-writing and playing on much of Chinese Democracy ? although he's loathe to even mention the fact. He's sounding chipper about his current job, though.

"It's still exciting. I still get a charge from stepping into these songs and playing in front of these audiences and playing with the guys in the band," he begins. "We're just about to start making noise with these songs, the four of us. We're gonna flesh out these songs and see what we come up with. We're already excited about doing it - we've been talking about it, but we haven't gotten in the room and hammered them out."

Those who saw the band last time around should take note: this time around the band will be a lean, rockin', guitar-based quartet. "We're going out as a four piece, as opposed to five, and we're really gonna strip these songs down and build them back up in a way that's exciting and fresh and feels alive for the four of us."

Finck has enjoyed a remarkable ? arguably unique ? degree of creative input in his recent projects, considering he's been working with people regarded as highly idiosyncratic creative mavericks. "Oh sure. I'm fortunate to have been involved in the... teams that I've been playing with," he says, carefully. "I'm certainly grateful."

And he's worked with some people who are notoriously, shall we say, challenging to work with...

"Sure, they're terribly different people," he says hesitantly, accurately predicting where this line of questioning is headed. "Trent is really forthright with the vision, whether it's a song or the stage or the presentation or the concepts or the sound design, or just getting a song together ? but he also has an ear for others' input. And he always shows up and really has a love and a care for what he's doing with these songs and really with everything in Nine Inch Nails. And that's inspiring and refreshing, you know? We put in long hours when we're working on this stuff and it's very satisfying."

As opposed to, say, working with... certain other people?

"Look, I'm not really here to talk about the Guns n' Roses guys," he counters, with the sort of diplomacy one might use when discussing a notoriously litigious former employer who likes to start feuds at the drop of a hat. "I certainly wish them the best, though."

Alright, fine. So how does one go from being lead guitarist with a couple of the biggest rock bands on the planet to playing fiddly classical guitar for a circus?

"That was kind of a trip," he laughs. "I jumped two feet over the fence and I don't know where I landed - I landed in some crazy place. It was wonderful and it was very romantic and charming and I met some lifelong friends through that experience, and I married one of 'em. And it was quite an inspiration too, just to step away from the rock world, specifically the touring life of a rock band at that time for me in my life. Really, the music: that was all second to the lifestyle that I was seeking. I was looking for something to turn my world around, first and foremost, and playing music was really secondary."

Any desire to go back to something like that?

"I'm always open to things. I mean, right now I'm chest-deep in Nine Inch Nails - there's a lot for me to be excited about and to apply myself towards - but eventually I see myself singing my own record. But right now I'm leaning into Nine Inch Nails with everything I've got. And there's a lot to lean into."

Nine Inch Nails headline Soundwave at Eastern Creek Racecourse on Sun 22 Feb and play the Hordern Pavilion on Tue 24 Feb.

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