Title: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on October 27, 2009, 01:18:08 PM Saw Kiss last night, and I don't know if anybody else does this, but I SOOOOOOOOOOO wish GNR would take a page from Kiss and do this
After the show, u could buy a CD or a kick ass Flashdrive/USB wristbracelet of the show u just saw downloaded onto it. It was 30 bucks but well worth it cause u get to listen to the show u were at over and over. any idea if GNR may do something like this? Edit: Clearer subject... /jarmo Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: SirTed on October 27, 2009, 01:22:55 PM Oh Man! My buddy and I have been saying bands should do this for years!
Way to go Kiss. I wish GNR would do this too. Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: CheapJon on October 27, 2009, 01:24:16 PM I think U2 and/or Metallica did/do something similar?
And of course, it would be real cool Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: ppbebe on October 27, 2009, 01:42:33 PM Yea GNR should do this and that.
U2's stage setting and youtube broadcasting was nice. :yes: Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: cotis on October 27, 2009, 01:48:01 PM Metallica, Pearl Jam, Linkin Park, and KISS are just a few bands that offer instant live recordings that fans can purchase. Sometimes it takes them a few days to post but hell -- it's an awesome feeling getting a recording of the show you were just at.
Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: Buddha_Master on October 27, 2009, 01:49:56 PM What a shocker. Kiss came up with a new thing for fans to spend there money on. 30 dollars is a complete fucking ripoff. I can get 20 gig thumbdrives for next to nothing through my job. They don't cost anything these days. Shit, Trent Reznor had thumbdrives of shit all over the county for Year Zero.
Now a personal tale. My woman and I went to the Halloween show of Kiss with the Smashing Pumpkins opening at Dodger Stadium. It was this 3D Circus of Freaks thing. Worst concert experience for me by a lightyear. The Pumpkins were great (and dressed like the Beatles which was fucking cool). The circus of freaks part was some real gay shit (not that there is anything wrong with being gay). The 3D was piss poor and a blurry mess. And there was trapeze people and shit. No fucking Freaks! What a jip. Then Kiss. Goddamn I just don't like them. I give them chance after chance and for shits sake I feel my dick actually shrinking while listening to them or seeing them. "We're so fucking badass looking like this and we are here to fucking ROCK!" Cue song... pussy shit. Next song... pussier then the last and so on and so on. I had this fool in fron of us turn around to me, and started yelling at me, "Get the fuck up motherfucker its FIREHOUSE!" I turned to my wife and for the first time I just uncontrollably started laughing. But the fun moment quickly disappeared with each and every pussy rock song from Kiss. To make matters even worse, Dodger Stadium RAN OUT OF BEER! Yea, you just read that right. The ride home, the two of us got into the worst fight we have ever been in. I was so fucked up by seeing the shittiest concert ever, I went the wrong way and bam. We were one step away from going Chris Brown on each other. Kiss is no talent hacks in my opinion and Simmons gives me Douchechills every time I see him. Axl, if you are reading this, whatever Kiss does, do the opposite. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on October 27, 2009, 01:51:31 PM The way this worked was, u got half the show after the concert and we have a code for the other half in a couple days.
I think this is an excellent way for bands to make up revenue lost by downloaders. Every concert I went to, I wish I could've had it to relive the memories. another idea, Kiss are selling a huge boxset for like a 1000 dollars that includes cds of every single live show of this tour. Imagine having something like that of GNR!! I'd gladly pay 1000 bucks for every show of the tour soundboard. The USB/flash is cool cause u can wear it like a bracelet and it has the bands logo on it where it fastens. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Bodhi on October 27, 2009, 02:00:19 PM Saw Kiss last night, and I don't know if anybody else does this, but I SOOOOOOOOOOO wish GNR would take a page from Kiss and do this After the show, u could buy a CD or a kick ass Flashdrive/USB wristbracelet of the show u just saw downloaded onto it. It was 30 bucks but well worth it cause u get to listen to the show u were at over and over. any idea if GNR may do something like this? Edit: Clearer subject... /jarmo Yeah that is awesome that Kiss does that. I think Metallica still does it best though, they have every show available pretty much the day after it happens for 10 bucks on livemetallica.com. They also offer FLAC files of the show. Recently they just switched the site so you can now buy single tracks as well, like itunes. Also if you order tickets through the fan club you get a FREE download of the show you went to. This is really the age of bands being hands on with the fans, either via facebook,twitter or through their own websites. In the age of pirating it is necessary for bands to go above and beyond for their fans now, getting constant voicemail or email updates from band members every 2 hours is becoming the norm. It will be interesting to see if GNR go in this direction. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: russtcb on October 27, 2009, 02:04:01 PM I would LOVE if GNR did something like this!
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Loaded NightraiN on October 27, 2009, 02:10:05 PM What a shocker. Kiss came up with a new thing for fans to spend there money on. 30 dollars is a complete fucking ripoff. I can get 20 gig thumbdrives for next to nothing through my job. They don't cost anything these days. Shit, Trent Reznor had thumbdrives of shit all over the county for Year Zero. Now a personal tale. My woman and I went to the Halloween show of Kiss with the Smashing Pumpkins opening at Dodger Stadium. It was this 3D Circus of Freaks thing. Worst concert experience for me by a lightyear. The Pumpkins were great (and dressed like the Beatles which was fucking cool). The circus of freaks part was some real gay shit (not that there is anything wrong with being gay). The 3D was piss poor and a blurry mess. And there was trapeze people and shit. No fucking Freaks! What a jip. Then Kiss. Goddamn I just don't like them. I give them chance after chance and for shits sake I feel my dick actually shrinking while listening to them or seeing them. "We're so fucking badass looking like this and we are here to fucking ROCK!" Cue song... pussy shit. Next song... pussier then the last and so on and so on. I had this fool in fron of us turn around to me, and started yelling at me, "Get the fuck up motherfucker its FIREHOUSE!" I turned to my wife and for the first time I just uncontrollably started laughing. But the fun moment quickly disappeared with each and every pussy rock song from Kiss. To make matters even worse, Dodger Stadium RAN OUT OF BEER! Yea, you just read that right. The ride home, the two of us got into the worst fight we have ever been in. I was so fucked up by seeing the shittiest concert ever, I went the wrong way and bam. We were one step away from going Chris Brown on each other. Kiss is no talent hacks in my opinion and Simmons gives me Douchechills every time I see him. Axl, if you are reading this, whatever Kiss does, do the opposite. lol epic rant Buddah says NO!!! Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on October 27, 2009, 02:30:30 PM so u wouldn't want to have GNR shows right after?
ok.................. not saying they have to charge that much, but its still a great idea. For the record, I dont really want to see Axl on Twitter. What Axl does works for the most part. Makes more of an impact when he does speak I just wish the periods of speaking would get a bit shorter but I think they can definitely take a page out of other bands' books and do some cool shit like this. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Buddha_Master on October 27, 2009, 02:54:08 PM Honestly I would be MUCH happier if Axl would just release a Blu Ray of one of the new shows like what NIN releases for their live HD shows. That kind of presentation. One that I can be immersed in with a high end HD set and full surround lossy sound. I want that.
Is this concert on a thumbdrive you speak of even a 720p picture and 5.1 sound. What exactly are you paying 30 fucking dollar for? I think the NIN Blu Ray was 25 dollars and was 7.1 lossless sound and a 1080p picture. The presentation was perfection. GN'R deserves no less. Some perspective I feel is necessary here. Its all in the presentation. And for 30 fucking dollars, it better be at least of NIN quality. So is it, you tell me dude. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: wight gunner on October 28, 2009, 05:51:00 AM I know they aren't every (any) bodies idea of a great band, but they do this for every show http://concert-online.com/en/shop/29349/live-recordings/1910/2843/Simply-Red-Greatest-Hits-Live-in-Belfast---22+08+.html aand as well as as a concert stick they can do it directly onto one of those USB MP3 players to listen to on the way home. The booth that was selling them for the Isle of Wight was rammed, so clearly they do make a lot of money.
The cool part was that they didn't include the encore, but you could add it at a later date : ok: by downloading it from their site. The quality also makes it a must have for collectors of concert recordings. The big deal for Guns n' Roses would be that not playing the same list for each gig would in itself create a market, DotF for example was heard by a few venues, last time out, I'm sure that non-attendees to these gigs would buy these. Indeed, why not have box sets, say of Canada, the Far-East, Europe and North and South America (should the tour reach these regions) Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Voodoochild on October 28, 2009, 06:29:55 AM Honestly I would be MUCH happier if Axl would just release a Blu Ray of one of the new shows like what NIN releases for their live HD shows. That kind of presentation. One that I can be immersed in with a high end HD set and full surround lossy sound. I want that. Agreed. Is this concert on a thumbdrive you speak of even a 720p picture and 5.1 sound. What exactly are you paying 30 fucking dollar for? I think the NIN Blu Ray was 25 dollars and was 7.1 lossless sound and a 1080p picture. The presentation was perfection. GN'R deserves no less. Some perspective I feel is necessary here. Its all in the presentation. And for 30 fucking dollars, it better be at least of NIN quality. So is it, you tell me dude. Release HD recordings or even let the fans bring their camcorders and release a surround soundboard recording for them to build up a nice video with multiple cams. That worked pretty fucking well with NIN and Radiohead. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Ulises on October 28, 2009, 07:47:40 AM It would be so cool. But I think the fans of Guns N' Roses are unable to have this kind of things because there's some people that keeps suing and all that shit.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Limulus on October 28, 2009, 08:27:05 AM i'd buy EVERY soundboard show in FLAC or CD(R)!!!
but the perfection part we've experienced from Axl tells me it might not happen: mixing on-the-fly, burning, tracking the gig right after the show so attenders would be able to purchase a quality product on their way out of the venue is some risky, let alone the band not being able to hear/verify the quality of the performance and on-the-fly-mix first. they could offer it a couple of days later but still someone would have to verify the quality and all.....which basically should be the leader himself, right? doubt he would listen to every show right after. eh, ignore this Axl and just release something, we'll buy it : ok: Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: fieldsy on October 28, 2009, 08:39:04 AM I have been praying for something like this ever since Metallica started to do it on their website. It would mean everything to me to be able to have every show around the world recorded from soundboard in my hands. Metallica choice of mp3 - $10 or FLAC - ?13 (i think) is fantastic value for money. Plus you get pics on th website of the concert and a cover.
Just a great service and a great way for a band to make some extra cash from the concerts. GNR is such a widley bootlegged band and certainly the demand is out there. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: estebanf on October 28, 2009, 09:31:58 AM I'd rather see GNR sporadically share some recordings or single live videos for free than seeing GNR's website converted into a cheap fair like Metallica's website.
I love SBD recordings more than anyone, but I dont want GNR to prostitute itself like Kiss / Metallica. I really think the pattern to follow is NIN, not Metallica, not Kiss. Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: sandman83 on October 28, 2009, 12:05:18 PM What a shocker. Kiss came up with a new thing for fans to spend there money on. 30 dollars is a complete fucking ripoff. I can get 20 gig thumbdrives for next to nothing through my job. They don't cost anything these days. Shit, Trent Reznor had thumbdrives of shit all over the county for Year Zero. Now a personal tale. My woman and I went to the Halloween show of Kiss with the Smashing Pumpkins opening at Dodger Stadium. It was this 3D Circus of Freaks thing. Worst concert experience for me by a lightyear. The Pumpkins were great (and dressed like the Beatles which was fucking cool). The circus of freaks part was some real gay shit (not that there is anything wrong with being gay). The 3D was piss poor and a blurry mess. And there was trapeze people and shit. No fucking Freaks! What a jip. Then Kiss. Goddamn I just don't like them. I give them chance after chance and for shits sake I feel my dick actually shrinking while listening to them or seeing them. "We're so fucking badass looking like this and we are here to fucking ROCK!" Cue song... pussy shit. Next song... pussier then the last and so on and so on. I had this fool in fron of us turn around to me, and started yelling at me, "Get the fuck up motherfucker its FIREHOUSE!" I turned to my wife and for the first time I just uncontrollably started laughing. But the fun moment quickly disappeared with each and every pussy rock song from Kiss. To make matters even worse, Dodger Stadium RAN OUT OF BEER! Yea, you just read that right. The ride home, the two of us got into the worst fight we have ever been in. I was so fucked up by seeing the shittiest concert ever, I went the wrong way and bam. We were one step away from going Chris Brown on each other. Kiss is no talent hacks in my opinion and Simmons gives me Douchechills every time I see him. Axl, if you are reading this, whatever Kiss does, do the opposite. I'm laughin my ass off after reading this. I've never got the whole Kiss thing either. I went to see them and Aerosmith few years back and I told everyone that if Aerosmith opened, that we were gonna leave before kiss went on. I be goddamn, I had to set through Kisses long boring ass set before Aerosmith went on. They played so long that Aerosmith didn't get to play very long. Aerosmith didn't even do an encore. Pissed me off. I guess Nashville had some kind of time ordinanse. Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: CheapJon on October 28, 2009, 12:11:57 PM I'm laughin my ass off after reading this. I've never got the whole Kiss thing either. I went to see them and Aerosmith few years back and I told everyone that if Aerosmith opened, that we were gonna leave before kiss went on. I be goddamn, I had to set through Kisses long boring ass set before Aerosmith went on. They played so long that Aerosmith didn't get to play very long. Aerosmith didn't even do an encore. Pissed me off. I guess Nashville had some kind of time ordinanse. So you brought nothing to the discussion, not even the topic nor GNR?alright, just checkin' Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: AxlReznor on October 28, 2009, 12:14:59 PM I hate Kiss, too. But this is actually a pretty good idea. I'd make it quite a bit cheaper, but I still like the idea.
NIN's open camera policy has also yielded some pretty awesome fan-submitted results. Most notably the Lights In The Sky and Downward Spiral Live DVD's. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: jarmo on October 28, 2009, 12:17:39 PM If you want to talk about other bands, please do so in the right place.
Hint: This isn't it. /jarmo Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: AxlReznor on October 28, 2009, 12:18:36 PM If you want to talk about other bands, please do so in the right place. Hint: This isn't it. /jarmo Not even if it's the context of cool ideas that GN'R can adopt? Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: jarmo on October 28, 2009, 12:21:13 PM I see posts that have very little to do with GN'R and more to do with how much people like/dislike other bands...
/jarmo Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Calcy on October 28, 2009, 12:42:51 PM Simple way for gn'r to make money. Personally used Metallica's live recordings from the shows I attended at Wembley and Sheffield in recent years.
Surely not too difficult to do, especially if they're already recording every show anyway? Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: SirTed on October 28, 2009, 12:54:34 PM To those that have recordings of other bands shows (that were purchased through the band in this context): How was the quality?
I ask because I could see someone like Axl (an admitted perfectionist) not wanting to do something like this because they didn't want inferior material out there. That said, if they allowed me, I'd buy recordings of every show I could through GNR. I realize Axl isn't hurting for money, so there isn't exactly a lot of motivation for the band to do something like this, but I wish that he would. I could see this being a huge money maker for a lot of bands. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: LunsJail on October 28, 2009, 01:12:32 PM I like the idea and have bought many of Pearl Jam's bootlegs. Problem is, I don't think GNR changes up their setlists enough to warrant this. A live CD from somewhere on the tour would probably be all you need.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on October 28, 2009, 01:41:53 PM I like the idea and have bought many of Pearl Jam's bootlegs. Problem is, I don't think GNR changes up their setlists enough to warrant this. A live CD from somewhere on the tour would probably be all you need. I dont know how fair it is to judge that cause CD wasnt released so i always considered the tours as kind of an introduction to the band and a preview of what was to comeI full expect Axl to rotate CD songs in and out and bring back a few UYI songs. I personally get tired of everybody with their cell phone. I took a few vids of the Kiss concert and realized "FUCK I AM MISSING THE SHOW" Plus people trying to get good shots get in other people's way, block their view etc. Just seems everybody is so occupied with trying to video something, they don't really get to enjoy the experience s they could if they just focused on what was going on. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: damnthehaters on October 28, 2009, 02:18:14 PM I think just a Blue Ray DVD of the Hammerstein Shows would be awesome! I know they filmed it, so there's footage out there somewhere.
And I was the only guy crowd surfing during Paradise City, so I want to see myself damnit! :peace: Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: ppbebe on October 28, 2009, 02:27:46 PM Just seems everybody is so occupied with trying to video something, they don't really get to enjoy the experience s they could if they just focused on what was going on. that's true. they better get their priorities right. cellphone recordings/shots can never be worth the live experience. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: LunsJail on October 28, 2009, 02:30:05 PM Just seems everybody is so occupied with trying to video something, they don't really get to enjoy the experience s they could if they just focused on what was going on. that's true. they better get their priorities right. cellphone recordings/shots can never be worth the live experience. Even worse when they put those shitty quality recordings on Youtube. What's the point? Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: erose on October 28, 2009, 02:47:24 PM What a shocker. Kiss came up with a new thing for fans to spend there money on. 30 dollars is a complete fucking ripoff. I can get 20 gig thumbdrives for next to nothing through my job. They don't cost anything these days. Shit, Trent Reznor had thumbdrives of shit all over the county for Year Zero. Now a personal tale. My woman and I went to the Halloween show of Kiss with the Smashing Pumpkins opening at Dodger Stadium. It was this 3D Circus of Freaks thing. Worst concert experience for me by a lightyear. The Pumpkins were great (and dressed like the Beatles which was fucking cool). The circus of freaks part was some real gay shit (not that there is anything wrong with being gay). The 3D was piss poor and a blurry mess. And there was trapeze people and shit. No fucking Freaks! What a jip. Then Kiss. Goddamn I just don't like them. I give them chance after chance and for shits sake I feel my dick actually shrinking while listening to them or seeing them. "We're so fucking badass looking like this and we are here to fucking ROCK!" Cue song... pussy shit. Next song... pussier then the last and so on and so on. I had this fool in fron of us turn around to me, and started yelling at me, "Get the fuck up motherfucker its FIREHOUSE!" I turned to my wife and for the first time I just uncontrollably started laughing. But the fun moment quickly disappeared with each and every pussy rock song from Kiss. To make matters even worse, Dodger Stadium RAN OUT OF BEER! Yea, you just read that right. The ride home, the two of us got into the worst fight we have ever been in. I was so fucked up by seeing the shittiest concert ever, I went the wrong way and bam. We were one step away from going Chris Brown on each other. Kiss is no talent hacks in my opinion and Simmons gives me Douchechills every time I see him. Axl, if you are reading this, whatever Kiss does, do the opposite. Excellent post. One of the main reasons I keep comming here. Personally I don't mind GN'R making money as long as they don't rip people off doing it. More product is cool as long as the product is up to the standards. Does KISS rip people off on a regular basis? Sure, but does KISS rip people off with this $30 bootleg? I don't agree with you on this one Master. You can't seriousely mean that GN'R can't do this just because Simmons & co does it? I think this is a pretty cool idea actually. The fact that it's an inexpencive recording solution with basically no expences or work effort in a low quality format doesn't mean that the product in it self is anything less than brilliant. Thats up to the band. It would give high profit to gn'r AND to those who chose to pay $whatever for it. When you buy a bootleg cd you often pay $50 plus. I'd be more than happy to pay $30 for the GN'R show I just attended. Thats spesial. It was pretty fuckin' cool hearing the boot from my first gn'r gig back in 93 btw. I would of course choose the best format and packaging possible, but hey, how you transfer the gig to your base for digital storage really doesn't matter and the fact that you get to listen to the show you just saw over and over and over again when ever you feel like it is just a revolutionary idea imo. Even tho the sound has loss. I listen to music more on my phone and computer than my $50.000 high end sound system any way so the need for extremely high quality shit really isn't that big of a deal imo. Not on soundboard live recordings. The more I think about it the more I like the idea. This could be the new way for bands to sell and get their music out. Lots of bands are obviousely having a hard time selling records so I think this is a great way for them to compensate some of the missing income. This might even grow and become a huge deal after a while. If all bands did this there would be no more bootleggers and more of the money spent on the music goes straight to the band. I can of course see why bands don't want to do this as well and thats fine, but to not even consider this is just ignoring a great idea and bunch of cash n' happy fans. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Uber-Tech on October 28, 2009, 02:50:40 PM I too get fed up with people and mobiles at concerts. I would like to think that if Guns did make a recording available, it would reduce the amount of people holding their mobiles above their heads (extremely annoying for the poor sod who's stuck behind them). However, given the sad reality of the fact that the world seems to have become obsessed with recording the minutae of their lives using mobiles and the internet (personally I don't give a damn who's on Twitter, who's following them, what they're doing at this particular moment or what they were doing ten minutes ago). I sadly have to come to the conclusion that regardless of whether there is a live recording available or not, half the concert will end up on bloody YouTube within half an hour of the last note fading regardless of what is or isn't available to buy.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Limulus on October 28, 2009, 02:56:04 PM the point is to be able to catch a performance you weren't able to attend or to re-live through the live experience from shows. memories fade, ya know?
as Guns never had a good reputation in releasing real live performances (though they mostly were killer live, weird, huh?) there were unofficially amateur recorded big times. now in digital ages everybody can push a record buttom for some minutes, quality comes second for them. knowing ALL shows since 1991(!!) were officially filmed/taped but unlikely to be released ever - its a huge loss to rock 'n' roll-history! hopefully Axl finds peace with the recent line-up what could result in some more officially live audio/video. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: sandman83 on October 28, 2009, 03:12:01 PM I'm all apologies about my post that was off topic. Just found humor in someone elses post that reminded me of somethin!
On topic: I would love to be able to have video of a concert that I was at. Because you have one perspective of the concert from the one spot that you were in. It would be cool to watch it over and pick up on little details that you could have possibly missed out on or was distracted from. I think it's a great idea. Also wish that some way atleast one of the concerts be on pay per view! Again, sorry for my off topic post earlier! Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: AC on October 28, 2009, 05:48:26 PM This would be HUGE for GN'R. Wish they did this! I've bought all the Pearl Jam shows I've been to and they are the best memory from each show I could ask for.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on October 28, 2009, 07:12:07 PM watched the few 30 second clips i recorded on my phone and i don't know why i bothered
thing is, how is ripping fans off? It would be ripping fans off if u included it in a ticket price but u have the option to buy or not to buy, plus, if GNR made each show available... say i buy the Atlanta show, I could trade shows with someone who saw the Vegas show or Germany show etc etc I would love to get my hands on some 2006 GNR vids but I can't locate any or get anyone to do business. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: WTTJ_91 on October 28, 2009, 09:39:43 PM Hmm Kiss may be on to something with this, I'd like to see a lot of artists adopt this idea. Especially for all the random things that make a show unique. Hearings Axl's talks/rants , maybe random covers or jams , you might be at one show they play a song they hardly play. Overall , gooood idea! : ok:
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: russtcb on October 29, 2009, 02:34:12 PM watched the few 30 second clips i recorded on my phone and i don't know why i bothered thing is, how is ripping fans off? It would be ripping fans off if u included it in a ticket price but u have the option to buy or not to buy, plus, if GNR made each show available... say i buy the Atlanta show, I could trade shows with someone who saw the Vegas show or Germany show etc etc I would love to get my hands on some 2006 GNR vids but I can't locate any or get anyone to do business. Yeah this is in no way a rip off. It's a great, affordable option for those that might want a high quality copy of their own show. In any case; I would LOVE it if GNR did this. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Jdog0830 on October 29, 2009, 10:08:18 PM Saw Kiss last night, and I don't know if anybody else does this, but I SOOOOOOOOOOO wish GNR would take a page from Kiss and do this After the show, u could buy a CD or a kick ass Flashdrive/USB wristbracelet of the show u just saw downloaded onto it. It was 30 bucks but well worth it cause u get to listen to the show u were at over and over. any idea if GNR may do something like this? Edit: Clearer subject... /jarmo Yeah I agree with this because its about the music if it was almost anything else that you could take a page from Kiss and we would end up worshipting a sell out kind of band and I for one would not like that one dam bit make us just as bad as hair metal Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Classic Case on October 29, 2009, 10:39:05 PM I got the mp3 from the Metallica show i went last month, GNR should do the same, it is awsome to hear the show u were.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Satapher on October 30, 2009, 12:04:48 AM I got the mp3 from the Metallica show i went last month, GNR should do the same, it is awsome to hear the show u were. I 2nd that!!!Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Limulus on October 30, 2009, 03:43:06 AM as long as people/fans have the decision to buy or not to buy it seperately from the show ticket price.....it's nowhere near a rip-off!
you simply can decide yourself if you want to get it or not. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Jim Bob on October 30, 2009, 04:48:13 AM I'd buy some shows. I'm not really so much a collector where i have to have everything, but i'm sure i'd be spending a good bit on GnR shows if they did this. :smoking:
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: jacdaniel on October 30, 2009, 04:59:18 AM Money spent at gigs these days has gotten ridiculous.
Although i would gladily pay for something like this. And alcohol of course! :beer: its mainly the T shirts that i don't bother with. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on October 31, 2009, 01:07:34 PM If someone wants to find something to bitch about they can. I wouldn't buy every single show, but I'd def buy the one i was at.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: MeanBone on October 31, 2009, 01:42:10 PM that's an awesome idea, and also the band can actually make more profit this way.
i think it's a win win situation! Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: helenluna on October 31, 2009, 02:28:02 PM Outside of all the Kiss bashing thing (I don't mind them at all) this is a great idea. You have to admit Kiss, NIN, Metallica, they're all good at pleasing their fans. Good at making money too but that's a whole different discussion. I know Axl insists in saying he doesn't work for the fans, and I agree completely with him, but I was thinking: maybe if the GnR fans were stripped off of what they bitch and whine about so much (lack of band/fans interaction) they'd finally focus on the music and take time to understand what Ax'ls vision is. Just my two cents...
And the CONCEPT idea we're talking about here it's definitely not prostitution. These shows wouldn't be sold anywhere else. Just at the end of each concert and who didn't get it wouldn't find it at the GnR store - because it's not meant for the profit. This idea would benefit the fans more than to give money to the band actually. Charging that much is optional. They could charge little for the DVD or whatever media, so no one would be complaining it's about making money. The point is, this is extremely advantageous for the fan. Specially for the one who can attend only one GnR concert each 10 years or so like us here in South America. I'd pay 100 bucks for a pro-shot DVD of the show I was at without regrets. It's not a rip-off IMO. It doesn't matter if it comes in blu-ray, DVD, stylized pen-drive thing. Whatever. I just wanna save forever that moment I saw GnR live and relive it whenever I want. I can't hold everything in my memory for as long as a digital media can. So: - It's not selling out if they simply charge nearly the cost price of making it. It's not against the band's integrity in any way. - It doesn't hurt the fans if not included in the ticket price - they buy the recording if they want to. - It takes away nothing from the band. People will record anyway with their cameras and cell phones and it will all end up online right after the concert ends. - But on the other hand bootleggers will lose their usefulness, which is great to the band in all aspects. - It also makes cell phone and camera recordings pointless, so we'd see fewer of those annoying people with cameras in front of us blocking our concert view. - Less people in the audience recording = more people enjoying the show. - It does make the fans happier and they feel the band cares a lot more. This could mean some would finally start paying attention to Axl's words. - And if GnR plans to have a live DVD from the tour released, it won't hurt its sales either. The live DVD should feature the best scenes, footage, audio, all edited and put together in a professional packaging, with extras like backstage randomness (while the instant concert recordings are just the show itself, plain, unedited and full of flaws). But I'm hopeless... It seems talking about something that would be good for GnR its synonym of saying it won't happen. I just don't understand why! Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Satapher on October 31, 2009, 02:48:34 PM In fact, this live recording idea will keep audio bootlegers out of the job... and it will increase the possibility that many ppl will bring their videocams to shot GNR and then make a author with the soundboard audio.
Hope that Axl and management will consider this idea as it is a great way to show their music (specially live music) to all those who hasn't heard anything about the new GN'R lineup, or maybe newbies. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Alfie Bones on October 31, 2009, 07:19:51 PM Quit whining about "Kiss bashing". The very first sentence you hear on Live Era is GN'R bashing Kiss... get used to it.
I'm open to ANY kind of additional media from GN'R that doesn't wind up with someone (MSL, etc.) going on trial. If Axl & co. manage to make a quick buck off of it, that's icing on the cake. I'll spend $30 to be able to hear the concert I just went to over again. Why not? You're splitting hairs over whether to do it the Reznor way or the metal establishment way. They're both improvements over the status quo. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Silverchair on October 31, 2009, 09:18:35 PM I hope to God that GN'R never takes anything KISS... bunch of self-promoting, greedy whores.
I do agree a DVD would be awesome... but KISS puts out a DVD every other week... and Metallica isn't too far behind either. I would've like a DVD with Robin. Axl's voice was on-point in 2006. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: russtcb on November 01, 2009, 03:40:04 PM I hope to God that GN'R never takes anything KISS... bunch of self-promoting, greedy whores. I do agree a DVD would be awesome... but KISS puts out a DVD every other week... and Metallica isn't too far behind either. I would've like a DVD with Robin. Axl's voice was on-point in 2006. So let me get this straight; providing a low cost, sound board recording to GNR fans that most of us would LOVE to have is a bad idea because Kiss and Metallica have done it? Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: thesloth on November 01, 2009, 11:29:14 PM I hope to God that GN'R never takes anything KISS... bunch of self-promoting, greedy whores. I do agree a DVD would be awesome... but KISS puts out a DVD every other week... and Metallica isn't too far behind either. I would've like a DVD with Robin. Axl's voice was on-point in 2006. KISS did not invent this a bunch of bands have being doing this for years. My understanding that it is more popular in Europe then NA for whatever reason. As for others who have commented on the price. While $30 bucks is not cheap it is my understanding most venues charge more if a live pro recording is done of the show and also take a cut of the merch sales. Also while CD's and flash drives are cheap the labor and the equipment to record the live show is not that cheap nor should it be. Title: Re: GNR should do this Post by: Chief on November 02, 2009, 01:12:15 AM This is great hahaha, i am glad i read this thread. i would never go see kiss.
by the way, love the bluray idea and i really hope it happens some day! What a shocker. Kiss came up with a new thing for fans to spend there money on. 30 dollars is a complete fucking ripoff. I can get 20 gig thumbdrives for next to nothing through my job. They don't cost anything these days. Shit, Trent Reznor had thumbdrives of shit all over the county for Year Zero. Now a personal tale. My woman and I went to the Halloween show of Kiss with the Smashing Pumpkins opening at Dodger Stadium. It was this 3D Circus of Freaks thing. Worst concert experience for me by a lightyear. The Pumpkins were great (and dressed like the Beatles which was fucking cool). The circus of freaks part was some real gay shit (not that there is anything wrong with being gay). The 3D was piss poor and a blurry mess. And there was trapeze people and shit. No fucking Freaks! What a jip. Then Kiss. Goddamn I just don't like them. I give them chance after chance and for shits sake I feel my dick actually shrinking while listening to them or seeing them. "We're so fucking badass looking like this and we are here to fucking ROCK!" Cue song... pussy shit. Next song... pussier then the last and so on and so on. I had this fool in fron of us turn around to me, and started yelling at me, "Get the fuck up motherfucker its FIREHOUSE!" I turned to my wife and for the first time I just uncontrollably started laughing. But the fun moment quickly disappeared with each and every pussy rock song from Kiss. To make matters even worse, Dodger Stadium RAN OUT OF BEER! Yea, you just read that right. The ride home, the two of us got into the worst fight we have ever been in. I was so fucked up by seeing the shittiest concert ever, I went the wrong way and bam. We were one step away from going Chris Brown on each other. Kiss is no talent hacks in my opinion and Simmons gives me Douchechills every time I see him. Axl, if you are reading this, whatever Kiss does, do the opposite. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Gavgnr on November 02, 2009, 03:03:12 AM An amazing idea.
I've seen gnr 3 times and I've been lucky enough to get boots of all 3 shows - but 2 of em are barely watchable. It's a great feeling though to watch the concerts once in a while re-living the moment. Gnr should consider this... Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Voodoochild on November 02, 2009, 05:28:51 AM I think Merck considered at one point in 2006, buy that obviously didnt happen.
IMHO, with HD camcorders tiny as hell, it will be nearly impossible to prevent people from bootleging tje show. So why not addopt the open cameras policy at least? Or even release live proshot videos in gnr.com like they kinda did in 2006 with those three videos from the Download Festival. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: November_Rain on November 02, 2009, 06:58:59 AM It would be cool if GNR sold some show/s on dvd. Atleast we would have a decent show instead of all the shitty quality shows we get from the internet.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: suntorytime on November 02, 2009, 08:42:36 AM And those unofficial bootlegs would've cost the fans that bought them more than 6.000 yen ($66) a copy.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: estebanf on November 02, 2009, 10:29:18 AM You have to admit Kiss, NIN, Metallica, they're all good at pleasing their fans. Good at making money too but There's an important difference between Kiss or Metallica and NIN. IMHO, what Kiss does is obscene. Even though I might be the most in love with sbd recordings guy on earth, I really dont want GNR to be a 2,99 u$s store. In fact, this live recording idea will keep audio bootlegers out of the job... Do you actually think so? How? The only people who still buys silver bootlegs are those sick-hardcore fans. No one else buys them anymore in the internet era. And that people will buy ANYTHING (look at prisby) pressed in a silver cd. And bootlegs company will still be making silver cds with these soundboards. In fact, more complete sbds, more bootlegs. GNR should sporadically give a sbd recording to the fans for free, as a gift, and avoid converting itself into a cheap kermesse. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: ppbebe on November 02, 2009, 10:49:24 AM would they still buy those bootlegs when they can buy better quality recordings of the same shows directly from the band? and much cheaper at the price???
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: estebanf on November 02, 2009, 11:27:08 AM would they still buy those bootlegs when they can buy better quality recordings of the same shows directly from the band? and much cheaper at the price??? for a collector, some digital and ''virtual'' files are not the same than a tangible, concrete and good looking cd-case. that's the way a collector thinks. how many people has bought ''masterplans'' chicago '92 dvd? They pay for something (incomplete) that can be found (complete, and in much better quality) digitally and for free. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: jarmo on November 02, 2009, 11:30:56 AM would they still buy those bootlegs when they can buy better quality recordings of the same shows directly from the band? and much cheaper at the price??? Yes. It's like a stamp collector. They can get stamps way cheaper elsewhere but they still want that special stamp! ;) /jarmo Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: ppbebe on November 02, 2009, 11:36:02 AM even when the stamp is not released by the post office or approved by them? ???
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Loaded NightraiN on November 02, 2009, 11:39:59 AM would they still buy those bootlegs when they can buy better quality recordings of the same shows directly from the band? and much cheaper at the price??? (look at prisby) yes lol Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: ppbebe on November 02, 2009, 12:05:58 PM love is strange.....
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: pilferk on November 02, 2009, 12:32:06 PM I'd buy 'em. Actually, I would prefer something like this:
Where they just offer a selection of shows on-line for purchase through their "store". Not all of them..that defeats the purpose of buying a ticket to some extent. But maybe 1 or 2 shows from each leg of a world tour. AND The ability, AT the show, to buy a digital download/CD/DVD of YOUR show. I think the issue they worry about is that those copies of the show will get "shared".....and eat away at their ticket sales. I don't think the logic behind that worry holds a lot of water (for many obvious reasons), but I think it's one of the reasons more bands don't do it. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: wight gunner on November 02, 2009, 01:27:45 PM I'd buy 'em. Actually, I would prefer something like this: Where they just offer a selection of shows on-line for purchase through their "store". Not all of them..that defeats the purpose of buying a ticket to some extent. But maybe 1 or 2 shows from each leg of a world tour. AND The ability, AT the show, to buy a digital download/CD/DVD of YOUR show. I think the issue they worry about is that those copies of the show will get "shared".....and eat away at their ticket sales. I don't think the logic behind that worry holds a lot of water (for many obvious reasons), but I think it's one of the reasons more bands don't do it. But this is where it should get interesting. A decent package of photo's and other merchandise, tour programme, bio's and other printed material doesn't get "shared" for the many fans that enjoy the whole experience, if the soundtrack to a show alone isn't the real deal, the memories and visuals that stand out are the things that complete the collection, hell Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: GNR_Green on November 02, 2009, 03:27:18 PM I think an official dvd of the new lineup would be a great way to persuade people that the band is as good as we all know it is. Many people who like old GN'R probably didn't get CD, but if a nice new DVD came out with SCOM, NR etc on it I'm sure the uneducated masses would soon see the light. I don't think GN'R really do/did enough for its hardcore fan base either really. Identical reissues of two old (and not necesarily great) live recordings from Tokyo don't do their history justice, and there must have been many opportunities to release something original and expansive since. Unless it's all down to court-room politics, then it's anyone's guess!
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: jarmo on November 02, 2009, 03:44:15 PM There are several variables that none of us know anything about that might be the reason(s) why there isn't live recordings available.
Many of the artists listed in this thread as examples aren't signed to a major label. If GN'R puts something out, don't you think Universal Music/Interscope wants a piece of that pie? And if that's the case, it might not just be as easy as "let's put this out for our fans".... I don't know how these record deals work but I have read about how record labels haven't really been interested in releasing certain things that bands wanted to put out for their fans. /jarmo Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: GNR_Green on November 02, 2009, 04:18:51 PM What baffles me is not that the band might not want to release a dvd but that the label don't want to. Bands release dvd's all the time so the potential market must be sizable for a new GN'R dvd.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: wight gunner on November 02, 2009, 04:52:41 PM There are several variables that none of us know anything about that might be the reason(s) why there isn't live recordings available. Many of the artists listed in this thread as examples aren't signed to a major label. If GN'R puts something out, don't you think Universal Music/Interscope wants a piece of that pie? And if that's the case, it might not just be as easy as "let's put this out for our fans".... I don't know how these record deals work but I have read about how record labels haven't really been interested in releasing certain things that bands wanted to put out for their fans. /jarmo Yeah and since when has the record industry been intrested in following the ethic any artist has, like they don't have a big enough say as it is. Thats a good point Jarmo, as per usual a sound reason for why they would resist doing this. The sad thing is, by letting go of some the cherrys, they might actually find they'd see more sales in records. Added to your reasons, do you think that materials relating to direct publication of former members work (ie not live shows) would demand royalities from them? I'm not saying it would be right or wrong to have to do so, but I can understand if Axl doesn't want to give them another penny, as he's proven the bigger draw when it comes to playing and selling. If the lyrics of Sorry are anything to go by, I'd say that he's felt that they've had more from him than vise versa. Thats my opinion, but I wont say its how it is. That said, if they were to do CD live, as a show (or a whole middle section) then if my opinion were right(ish) then maybe the release we would like might happen, but then again I don't see this (the CD live bit) ever being done... :crying: Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: wight gunner on November 02, 2009, 04:56:01 PM What baffles me is not that the band might not want to release a dvd but that the label don't want to. Bands release dvd's all the time so the potential market must be sizable for a new GN'R dvd. I think its the band may feel that the label get enough. Bands, I believe fund the shows (ie pay the costs, and get the money back through sales), so why does the label deserve any cash on the back of the Bands risk?Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: pilferk on November 02, 2009, 05:35:00 PM There are several variables that none of us know anything about that might be the reason(s) why there isn't live recordings available. Many of the artists listed in this thread as examples aren't signed to a major label. If GN'R puts something out, don't you think Universal Music/Interscope wants a piece of that pie? And if that's the case, it might not just be as easy as "let's put this out for our fans".... I don't know how these record deals work but I have read about how record labels haven't really been interested in releasing certain things that bands wanted to put out for their fans. /jarmo From what I remember (and I could be wrong), Pearl Jam did a considerable amount of groundwork to discover that "Live offical bootlegs" don't constitute material covered by their recording contract. That being said, there was a considerable amount of time, effort, and legal wrangling that had to be done to get that "decision" made. Which, in itself, would be a pain in the keister to go through. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: D on November 02, 2009, 05:40:40 PM Yeah the record company thing sounds very plausible.
I think bands would want to do it cause it would allow them to let fans hear great qualities of their work and not a shitty boot on Youtube which can allow people to form an opinion which isn't always accurate. Metallica are a major label though but maybe they negotiated something in their contract Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: helenluna on November 02, 2009, 07:32:25 PM Jarmo is probably right. For those of us who don't think that Axl hates his fans, those who believe that he WOULD LIKE to do something cool for us, the logical and clear explanation is this issue with the record label. So why in the hell GnR doesn't leave UMG and become independent once and for all? I don't quite understand their reasons to still be under Universal!
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Bodhi on November 07, 2009, 10:55:06 PM Metallica are a major label though but maybe they negotiated something in their contract Metallica are also in a position where no label is ever going to say "no" to them about anything. I would imagine a big band like GNR would also be in a similar position. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 07, 2009, 11:15:33 PM Metallica are a major label though but maybe they negotiated something in their contract Metallica are also in a position where no label is ever going to say "no" to them about anything. I would imagine a big band like GNR would also be in a similar position. James Hetfield would beat up those suits. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Halo69 on November 09, 2009, 09:11:21 AM There are several variables that none of us know anything about that might be the reason(s) why there isn't live recordings available. Many of the artists listed in this thread as examples aren't signed to a major label. If GN'R puts something out, don't you think Universal Music/Interscope wants a piece of that pie? And if that's the case, it might not just be as easy as "let's put this out for our fans".... I don't know how these record deals work but I have read about how record labels haven't really been interested in releasing certain things that bands wanted to put out for their fans. /jarmo That does make a lot of sense! It would be sweet to have some live recordings though Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Buddha_Master on November 09, 2009, 06:22:59 PM Yea its amazing to me that the only live GNR dvd to ever see the light of day was the utter shit Japanese concert one. I have seen GN'R many MANY times and this was far and away the worsed performance as a whole by GN'R, past and present. I threw it away. THREW IT AWAY. It actually has things that bother the fuck out of me in it and a very poor representation of the classic band.
Please release a fucking proper one Axl. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: recklessroad on November 10, 2009, 12:47:25 PM Axl once looked into that during the UYI tour I think, but for some reason it didn't work out. I think it would add a lot of pressure on the band, but it would be great to pick a few shows that were extra special and somehow get them out to the fans.
Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Jim Bob on November 10, 2009, 12:50:39 PM Axl once looked into that during the UYI tour I think, but for some reason it didn't work out. I think it would add a lot of pressure on the band, but it would be great to pick a few shows that were extra special and somehow get them out to the fans. it'd be easier in this day and age then it was in the early 90s, at least as far as delivery is concerned. Title: Re: I wish GN'R would make live recordings of their shows available for purchase Post by: Limulus on November 11, 2009, 10:23:07 AM Axl once looked into that during the UYI tour I think, but for some reason it didn't work out. I think it would add a lot of pressure on the band, but it would be great to pick a few shows that were extra special and somehow get them out to the fans. just to add that ALL shows since rock in rio/january 1991 have been recorded as Proshot videos and soundboards, thats about 192(!) for illusion era allready!! and they decided to release the wayyyyy sub-par Tokyo'92 as being the only official release - which is generally considered absolutely NOT being any fair representation to that era! fans also dont have any official released quality live shows (LLAS = not live / same for the re-worked "Live Era" 2CD / there were some TV broadcasts and unofficial releases only)......how weird that is having a band being known for its killer live performance, is it??! so whats happening with all those rock n roll-history recordings? nothing??! huge loss then! the old band split surely doesnt help in this aswell, so are all the line-up changes. but what would be just awesome for fans and could be considered at some point are some official releases (over a couple of years) of "real" Live Era projects like: - "The Early Days" - pre Appetite DVD/Blu-Ray compilation by Marc Canter - "AFD - the most dangerous band in the world-ERA" - 1988-1990 DVD/Blu-Ray compilation - "Illusion Era" - 1991-1993 DVDs/Blu-Rays compilation - "New Century Era (Round 1)" 2001-2002 DVDs/Blu-Rays compilation - "New Century Era (Round 2)" 2006-2007 DVDs/Blu-Ray compilation - "New Century Era (Round 3)" 2009-20xx DVDs/Blu-Ray compilation ...... a lot of die hards have a good overview of good performances -judged by unofficial recordings- and could help in creating lists with possible shows/songs to be on those projects. and back to topic: that would be just cool aswell! technology is there!!! |