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If you could pick one song (only one!) that has grown on the most since the release of the album, what would it be?

My song would be Catcher in the Rye.  It was in the middle of the pack for me when I first got the album, but now it's in my top three.

took me a lot of effort to dig ''Sorry'' and now I think its one of my all time favourites. Sorry's outro is monstrous.

Riad.... It was always ok as a live song, and I held that against it when CD came out.... The studio version just jams the entire way through

At first I hated "Street of Dreams" (at that time called "The Blues"), it reminded me Oasis, pop band that I've always hated, but with the passage of time it's become in one of my favorites.

Riad for sure, I hated it when i first heard it, same as shacklers but they both really greww on me

I would say Chinese Democracy

i can't believe there were songs you didn't love at first listen.  maybe i'm in the minority here, but i think and always thought chinese democracy was a masterpiece, from start to finish. 

I hated Shackler's when I first heard it, now I dig it pretty good.

Often the best songs take a few listens to get into.

You constantly find new things that makes you appreciate the song more than on the first listen.





/jarmo

The one song from CD that grew on me the most would have to be Catcher in the Rye.

The lyrics in particular come to mind starting from 4:13 finishing up at the end of the song. That part brings the song to a whole new level of greatness.

Probably the only song that I have never really got into was Rhiad.  However, since listening to it properly, with proper production/album quality (i.e not live) I have appreciated it much more as a ballsy rocker.

Like Jarmo said, sometimes the best songs take a few listens to.  I always find listening to an album through an Ipod (or headphones anyway) can completely change how you listen to a song or album.

Riad.

If The World still has to somehow find a way to grow on me.  If there was a way I could scratch that song off the album, I would.  Bucket's solo saves the song from ruin.

Scraped!  I find myself still singing it.  I would love to hear it live

I couldn't disagree more.  IFW is absolutely brilliant to me.  Axl's melodies are absolutely superb and Bucket's acoustic guitar and solo work are amazing.  I love the funkiness of the song, too.

Ali

That was my opinion on the song, I don't know how I could have worded it clearer.

ITW sounds like someone is pinching Axl in his no-no area.

Don't think my general opinion of the songs have changed a great deal to be totally honest -- If I was to pick a grower I'd say "If The World"

Not that I hated it to start with, but I wasn't a big fan of the lack of transitions between verses and choruses in Shackler's and that always bothered me whenever I listened to it.  Over time I've been able to overlook that annoyance and now I absolutely love the song. 

It's your opinion that "If The World" is brilliant?  I thought you said it still somehow has to find a way to grow on you?

Ali

What?  Where did I say that?  Nowhere in my first post, and in my second post I gave you the reason why in my opinion, I do not like IF THE WORLD.

Do not like.

No.

Nyet.

There's a few misunderstandings in this conversation. Read the whole thing, and you'll see.

He disagreed with me, I defended myself and my opinion.

How in the world can that be misinterpreted as me agreeing with him that IF THE WORLD is brilliant?

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Why would you ask if you could have worded it any clearer?

Ali clearly understood that you don't like the song, and then disagrees with you.

Good for him.

Typical reply for one who realizes he was wrong, and doesn't want to acknowledge.

How was I wrong?

So many to choose from, but If The World really had some great dynamics in it.

AC

I don't know how much time I wanna use to explain the whole thing, since the whole thing is of no importance whatsoever.

At first I just pointed out that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, based on a few poor choices of words. The sentence I marked above made Ali confused, as it's just out of the blue. In the first response he never said anything that would imply that he had misinterpreted you. He just disagreed, that's all.

Then he misinterpreted you, as your statement was a bit unclear on what it referenced to. His, or your original post. ("That was my opinion on the song")

Well, that's enough analyzis for today.   ;)



Back on topic I guess...

I really like If The World, but not the most improved song. For me, that's Riad.

+1. I'd give one of my limbs to see Guns do a whole record of songs in the style and feel of Sorry's outro.

The song that has grown the most on me is Shackler's. I hated it the first time. Also Chinese, Better, CITR and SOD have grown a lot on me.

Riad for sure.  Never liked the live boots I heard of the song.  The studio version has grown on me big time though.  To a lesser extent, I always thought "Chinese Democracy" was alright live.  But I love the studio track, especially the intro.  What a GREAT way to start off an album!

Thank you, Spirit.  You understood exactly where my confusion came from :)

FankyMonky, you don't like "If The World".  That's cool.  I disagree with the opinion it's not a good song, in fact, I think it is stunningly good.

That's all.

Ali

Same for me with Riad... At first I didn't like the "aaah-ah-ahhhhh" but now I think it is a really good hard rock song.   It has kick ass lyrics and I really like the part "oh my salvation, and all my frustration" probably one of my fav. parts from the album.

Also Scraped.  I really like the guitar during the verses.  Axl sings really good on that one too.   

I think the reason why so many thought Riad was the most improved song is because of shitty bootlegs quality. People couldnt really listen to the riffs and drum fills - hell, I've seen some saying how Riad was as much electronic as Silkworms! And the song is one of the most guitar driving tracks of the album! 

Anyways, I think Shacklers grew on me too. At first, I thought the mix was way too confused. But now I'm dying to listen to them performing it live.

I think that's correct. Altough I've loved Riad since I heard the boots years ago.. and then it was said that it wouldn't be on the album. Well, I'm glad it is!

A lot of people seem to like Raid the most.  I would also have a vote for Shackler's Revenge, as I hated that song at first, but now I love it.  However, I'd be going against my own rule of only one choice

The first time i heard "New song #2" (sorry: I heard the leaks  :no:) I didn't understand at all what i was hearin'. With the listens, Prostitute became one of my fav n' I actually consider it like a truly masterpiece.  :beer:

Nothing's grown on me since Nov. oe Dec. But after a couple of listens "If the World" really was the track that became a favorite..Still not big on IRS,SR N' Prostitute.

Ouch, totally disagree with you there... The 2002 live version w/ the guitars and drums busting in, axl screaming in the middle of the song... Probally the WORST transformation on CD since we first heard it.. I still like the song, but still keep a few early live versions in my rotation



I dunno man, the detroit show was soundboard, plus riad had a monitor mix.... cant ask for much more than that...

Thing about CD, even after a year, it seems like I'm still discovering new things.  I believe this album can grow on a person for a long time.  Not saying it's my favorite song on the album, but the one that has grown the most for me is Prostitute!  I absolutely love that song.  I've always liked Shaklers.  It kinda sounds like a Rob Zombie type of song to me!  I.R.S. has really grown on me also.

I was never a fan of Axl's vocals on the live versions I heard.  Just didn't sound right to me.  Sounds great on the album version though.  Axl's voice undoubtedly sounded better in 2006 than it did in 2002, so hopefully it'll sound better LIVE this time around.

"I was never a fan of Axl's vocals on the live versions I heard.  Just didn't sound right to me.  Sounds great on the album version though."

I pulled out the VEGAS Show and now being familualr w/ Rhiad, I feel Axl nailed it live!!

Shackler's Revenge. I'm not a big fan of the effect at the start but the chorus and crazy solo are great.

No, there's no soundboard from the detroit show - or ANY of Riad live performances. Also, the monitor mix from Tokyo and Osaka gigs were pretty much raw vocals from Axl with the instrumental blurred in the mix - you can barely hear some of the guitars and drums.

This song in particular needs everybody in the band (besides Dizzy, maybe) shining. Bootlegs didn't seem to do any justice for the song with people who couldn't really listen to some of what was going on.   

Exactly. The Pukkelpop version was also good.

Get high to If The World. Wait. Get high and then listen to If The World. Its one of the trippiest songs out there. Something about Axl's voice combined with the funkedelic beat and grooves combined with Bucket. Oh yea, its one of my favorites and most played on CD (for reasons well, you can imagine). Believe it.


edit: I want to add that for me, Scraped is my most improved though I think overall its the weakest compared to everything else. Saying that, I really dig the shit out of the main riff. Reeer Reeeeeer. Most improved.

the twat intro

I was at a cross road driving a dark mountain road the other day wondering how i managed to lose my accustomed way. While waiting for the traffic light to turn green, i was jumped with a sudden ground rumbling...Then i realized that was from the car stereo and the first drum beat in the intro of twat which impact i finally felt properly then after listening to the song a hundred times.

I loved the vocal-outro he used to do live in 02, where he changed his voice to that creepy, raspy Axl-voice.

Definitely Scraped for me. The guitars rock hard on that

Definitely Scraped

How do you know that 'Scraped' is the most improved song? I don't recall it being played live prior to the album release. What are you comparing it to?   ???

Did you even read the question??

aka classic case.  :hihi:

every song is still growing on me as i hear it more. and i loved it at first listen on the album.  :peace:

It's just another way of asking what song has grown on you the most since the album release.

I love Better, i have to admit that i listen to it time and time again, but also, Riad and Catcher in the Rye are the songs that i liked the most, with Better being the best

if we want to go the other way though

CD the song I thought was most improved if u take it from Rio III to the album.

I agree.  I listened to the RIR 3 version just recently, and the song sounded naked, and dare I say...bad.

The Boston 2002 promo snippet sounded interesting, tho.

Street of Dreams.

I have always liked it.. A lot. But still.....

Now I absolutely LOVE it and it means a lot to me. Can?t wait to hear it live (again).  : ok:

IMO CD at Rio 3 was great as well. altho from a boot basically that's what got me really into GNR.
and seeing and hearing Madagascar and the blues played live at shows improved my opinion of the songs.

guess boots/youtube clips rarely do justice to live performances.

Shackers Revenge,I love the demon hell jack boots and guitars,crazy shit! :yes:

Right now I have to say either Better or Street of Dreams both of those songs have grown on me so dam much and I love it

Shacklers has grown on me a lot, but I just don't like those high pitched effects at the beginning and end of the song.

Riad, Sorry have grown on me a lot-a year later I think the second half of the album is way better than the first

Wow, most improved song.  Very subjective here.  As I type today, compared to the first time I heard the album?  I'd have to say Scraped is at the top of that list with This I Love.  Both songs

I can honestly say I love every song except for SR, ITW, and Rhiad.  I like them, but I don't love them.  

I would really have to go with This I Love....Axl's vocals seemed a little weak, but now I understand why he did that song the way he did and I loved the Robin solo from the start!

Shacklers Revenge for me. At first it sounded so stupid, and weird, especially the guitar work (which I'm still not sold on). But its a ridiculously catchy song, and the final chorus is great. Catcher was one that I loved pre-CD, with the old leak. The new version was better in some places, but it just misses near the end when it could really have been elevated, because the lyrics, melodies and singing are great in that song.