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Hey All,

I live in the Pacific Northwest of the US, and I am sitting here wondering if I might be getting to see my favorite band play anywhere near me, anytime soon.

I don't have a ton of money, so flying out to see them at one of the current tour stops is probably out for me, as much as I may want to.

What do you think are the chances of them adding any US tour dates?

My gut feeling says it's pretty damn likely. I decided not to fly to a Canadian show and hold off to possibly see multiple US shows....I hope I'm right!!! haha.

Lots of issues to be worked out there with promoters I would think. Recent track record of completing US tours hasn't been good. Also, I don't think US venues are real big on the late start times.

What about... a B.C. Show? (bracing myself)

And I'm as sure as I can be that they will tour the states. When I look back at 06, they were doing Europe (I believe) and I had to struggle with "Fly over or wait". Well, I waited and to my luck they played two SF shows, tons of LA shows and even came back to the bay later. Point is, don't beat yourself over for not going to the Canadian shows. Once they get rolling, I am sure we will hear of some shows here.  :beer:

I'm blessed with a show within 2 hours driving distance from me to I'll probably be going to London ONT for sure. Even if a US date near me is announced before that, I'll go ahead and head to the great white north to catch the tour early.

If there is a US tour, I'd LOVE for GN'R to swing through or around Detroit in the summer! I've never had the pleasure of seeing GN'R in the summer!

I think Axl likes the winter, haha. In '93 I saw them in March. In '02 I saw them in November, and in '06 in September and December.

Maybe it's because in Europe GN'R gets bigger audience and can play stadium shows, so they play Europe in the summer time. In the US they play arenas anyway, so they can do it in the winter..

Next time GN'R comes back home to L.A. we will party. Can't wait. Unless Axl decides to stop touring for awhile to get us a new album ASAP... then I could wait. But anytime the dude of dudes want's to rock L.A. again I will always be there on California's finest greens ready to rock out to GN'R.

Ya really, luckly for me I havn't moved to BC yet....GNR LIVE 2010.......a time to be happy to be living in Ontario !!

I guess the incident in Vancouver still looms, can't see what else would stop them from playing there? That sucks.

It would be nice to see them do a some dates in the US after Canada in February.  That is what I am hoping for.  It might make logistical sense if they plan on touring more after Canada.  Maybe the US then Mexico, etc.  Then they could do some cool festivals in Europe in the Summer.  But who knows...  Would love to see them play anywhere.

I Believe What... GNR Play In SOUTH AMERICA In November - December 2010.

They should be there in January

but nooooo

they want to go freeze their butts off in Canada.   :hihi:

We'll see who's bitching in January.  Irv will probably get fired if Axl spends another two hours trying to get through the snow to the show.

Could have been playing in the nice, warm sun down south.

It gives them the opportunity to add some winter to their wardrobe lol...besides Ron already has the perfect hat, you know the fuzzy one he sometimes wears : ok:.  I'm sure they will eventually make it your way to warm up in the nicer weather.

Must be, but you'd think Montreal would be the same thing cause that was alot worse... But that happened so long ago compared to Vancouver

Um, were you in a  coma for the 2006 American tour?

See original quote

Good point.  Gives me just a sliver of hope that I might be able to see them in St. Louis next year! 

someone pointed out that the olympics maybe can have something to do with it

I Like What GNR Play In:

Kansas, Boston, Philly, Atlanta, Miami, Albany...

 :smoking:

So you would have preferred they played those handful of dates in January 2007 instead of return to the studio to finish the album?


The Olympics don't even start till February though, plus Pearl Jam and other acts have played Vancouver quite recently too.

Ummm....  I get your point, but the album didn't come out for a full 19 months after that.  In hindsight, they prolly could've pulled it off.  

Well, unless you'd like to share your crystal ball with the rest of the board, we honestly don't know, do we?

Well I'm looking forward to them breaking in the new Giants Stadium.  I think they'll probably play there next summer. I hope.

WEl the jersy boys bonjovi already got that covered in may. HEY D you must be excited!

I say very highly likely, which is why I am rethinking my trip to London/Hamilton.


I had a ticket to that Bon Jovi show today, friend called an hour before show telling me if I got there he had a ticket for me. Too bad I was in class....

I saw over at mygnr where Ron's already thinking about that-lol.  The west coast members are probably thinking snow's cool and the east coast guys are calling home to get their winter clothes.

GNR did GREAT on the west coast to end the tour in 2006/7, they just didnt sell out Fresno and Sacramento, but those shows were added/rescheduled mid tour and they already had 6 shows on the tour (2 in SF, One in Oakland, which was the Lars on Drums,  and three sold out at Universal).  If I remember correctly they sold out every one but the Oakland Show, but that was 80%( I was there).  I was at both SF, and the Oakland shows, and they were great.

He will most likely finish in California, like he did last year, but not schedule shows out in Central California.

I have no doubt in my mind there will be at least 3 Califonia shows, and I will be at all of them.  :beer:

He will tour the US, but will most likely hand pick them.  Way to much to lose by skipping U.S.

Reemeber, his last tour did quite well, save the cental cali shows with no promo or CD, if he has them this time, and that is a biog "if", he will do better in the US.

I don't see why there wouldn't be U.S. shows, but you never know.  I'm hopeful.

Las Vegas has never been a bad place for GnR shows.  ;D

I have had the most amazing times at GNR shows in VEGAS!!

I think we just need some more patience re: US dates.

DUDE I agree, cause I need more cash to come out there and enjoy with you guys!:)

I have to say it is odd that GnR would skate around Canada, without dropping in on some of the neighboring US cities, at the very least.  I am holding out hope for a Buffalo or Albany NY date.

Why would that be odd?

It's something very special for all the Canadian GN'R fans. They get their own leg of the tour.


Besides, if you do some US shows in border cities, then you basically got a North American tour without hitting major cities like New York.

Which in my opinion would make no sense.





/jarmo

Odd as in 'unexpected'...due to the close proximity most bands set their dates together (following major travel routes)...How many (edit: Major) Bands play Stockholm but skip Oslo?  And thats what 200km? (guessing, too lazy to look up!)...but looking at the map they are not scheduled by relative proximity anyway (the Canada dates).  Do you think they really need to assign 'Canadian leg' or 'North American tour'?  Maybe for tax purposes or something?  (as I write that, I am thinking perhaps there could be something to it)  I am psyched that Canada gets its own leg, but I do selfishly hope they hit Buffalo or Albany just so I can avoid the passport hassle.  Of course I can just wait and see if they schedule later dates anyway!  I should have been more clear, that I am NOT holding out hope for Buffalo/Albany on THIS announced leg...but on the likelihood of 'future US dates'.

added:  We have been blessed in the past with Boston/Worcester/Albany/NYC dates (screw Fire Marshal Bill in Portland,ME)...all within a reasonable drive..or better still, all on AMTRAK.

Wow it looks like we have enough people to petition a Buffalo show... Even if its @ a smaller place like showplace, or shea's and not the arena   :drool:

Hell I think Buffalo deserves a show considering they've only been here once(92)...

Hell they canceled 1 in the 80's due to illness and rescheduled it in like Philly or some bullshit

And in 02 Buffalo was on the original schedule but ended up getting booted from there too..

You guys had years and years notice from George Bush to get a passport to come to Canada. If you're shut out now, that's not the fault of Gn'R or their Canadian fans.

Know any promoters/travel people who could arrange 'VIP' bus package to Toronto show?  I am surprised nobody has put one out yet.  Being near Albany, we see these all the time for Yankees/Mets games, and when we get overlooked by major acts in favor of the slightly larger ( :hihi:) market of NYC.

There's buses from Buffalo, Syracuse and New York City to Toronto every single day.

Many!

Or play Copenhagen and skip Stockholm, Helsinki and Oslo.

Not unheard of....





Why not?

It makes those shows even more special.




/jarmo

People should probably be happy that they're touring at all. Hopefully a good sign of things to come. It was looking pretty bleak there about 5 months ago.

A US Tour would be dumb.
Bring on the South America Tour  : ok:

Amen!

I'll have to concede that point...I really had no idea!  I was trying to find a (local to you) comparison to Buffalo/Toronto off the top of my head.

Really?  Do they have flights, too?  Come on dude...hopefully you get the point of an ALL GnR fan bus ride?  Greyhound frowns on partying...plus door to door service is a plus.  As for passports, Habs/Bruins & St. Cathrines St. wasn't worth the price/hassle of a passport (or fancy license) for me...but GnR would definately be.


I couldn't care less where they play...I am psyched that they are touring! :peace:

Yeah, there's probably flights too but they'd probably be twice as much as a bus ticket.

Wow. Buffalo is ridiculously close to Hamilton (100km!). Toronto is only another 75km away from Hamilton. I don't see the problem here... Drive the hour to see them in Hamilton. GnR fans around the world would kill to be an HOUR away from a show. It's also a good chance to leave Buffalo.  :hihi:

What's the drawback of getting a passport?! See the world. There's a lot more out there than fugly Buffalo. I know Americans are insular and tend to never leave the country, but come on! AN HOUR! It's $45 dollars if you've never had a passport and $20 to renew an expired one. Small price to pay considering GnR might not even tour the US. It seems to me that if you're posting on a message board, you're most likely a big enough fan to commit to the above.

Ticketmast had a posting of "GN'R Canadian dates w/ theband teasing at more dates".

Because i've already went to canada to see GNR, and i'm boycotting the need for a passport to travel there now, its ridiclous(not blaming the people of canada or GNR for that, but my own government)


I'd much rather see a hometown show in frugly Buffalo, that have to travel in weather

if i were you i'd see both the Hamilton show and the Toronto one with no hesitation and then wait for a possible show in the home town.

Trust me man i'd LOVE to... My upcoming morgtage payments tell me not to

I wouldn't get your hopes up about a US tour. Canada isn't selling particularily well:

You can get FLOOR seats still for every show except Hamilton, Toronto, Calgary and Edmonton.

In Toronto and Hamilton, you can still get great tickets in the lower bowl very close to the stage. Calgary and Edmonton appears to be selling the best with only upper bowl left. In Saskatchewan and Manitoba, ticket sales appear anemic.

This is all just taken from searching for tickets off Ticketmaster.ca. Keep in mind that in Edmonton and Calgary, shows generally sell out in minutes. KISS, Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, Kings of Leon, etc. all sold out extremely fast. We'll have to check Ticketmaster on Monday and check the status again.

I don't think your method is the most accurate for gauging sales.  It's not even November yet and the shows aren't until January.  2nd, Ticketmaster always releases batches of tickets as the date approaches for a show, so just because you find seats available that doesn't mean that the show as a whole has not sold well.

Ali

Thanks for your "scientific research".  :P


I don't remember if the Canadian 2006 shows sold out within minutes either.....


I don't get the obsession with selling out venues. Sure it's great when they do.

But look at the facts. There's multiple shows to choose from. People don't need to necessarily travel to see a show, GN'R is coming to see them!

The "downside" of that is, we have people saying shit like "the show didn't sell out today".




/jarmo

On the note of sales, if people really want to go there, I suggest they check out this:

Guns and Roses Ticket Sales Going "Very Well"
Band promoting 'Chinese Democracy': Its first album in over 15 years


Reported By Mike Raptis
Posted October 23, 2009 - 2:36pm

Ticket sales for the upcoming Guns N' Roses concert are going "very well", says a representative of Evraz Place Ticketmaster.

The January 20th show at the Brandt Centre still has good seats available, but Ticketmaster is "very pleased" with the sales thus far.

While there wasn't any G n R pandemonium at the box office this morning, a few fans decided to show up and buy their tickets the old fashioned way.
"We're very excited... seeing the band come to Regina," said a couple of Guns and Roses fans - with their tickets in hand.


http://www.newstalk650.com

Ali

For me selling out arenas mean nothing - it is about the show itself and the experience.  I have been to arena shows that isnt full to capacity but the show was still excellent.

It will be interesting to see how the credit crunch affects attendances generally.  Will people be more careful in spending money to go to concerts or will they see it as a once in a lifetime / escape from the negative day to day.

I know which one I will choose ;)

Sales could get a boost from a new single, video, interviews.  Not sure we'll get any of that, but I'm sure it would help.  That article sounds pretty positive.  I hope if/when they tour the US it's easy "for me" to get good seats.

 Exactly based on how the Saskatoon and Regina shows have sold so far today if GnR was just playing Saskatoon it would be sold out.  (It is very rare that any bands play both cities so I am impressed GnR is hitting up both locations and very happy about it.)  

Part of me would love them to sell out every show and get rave reviews.  BUT, that would make tickets much harder to get.  So selfishly I hope they continue this trend of scheduling multiple shows in certain regions.  I would try to take full advantage if/when they tour the northeast in the US.

The show has been onsale for what? like a few days? it will do fine

Kiss hasn't sold out Atlanta yet. Last time I searched on Ticketmaster, u could still get decent lower arena seats.


I do think a successful Asian and Canadian trek could lead to big things though. I, of course, see Europe or S America after Canada and US in July/Aug

Actually SK is selling extremely well when you consider both those cities have only 200 000 people in each one and in Regina the lower and upper bowl sides are sold out just the back and then floor are available.  If GnR was only playing Regina or Saskatoon based on the tickets sold so far the venue would be sold out. 

Often floor does not sell out right away because it is usually the young crowd that buys those and to many of them concern themselves with no Slash in the band to actually understand that they have a chance to see the greatest rock and roll band. 

Having gone to a VR show and a GnR show in 2006 I gotta say I think the current GnR lineup is far more entertaining and exciting then the old band.  Also watching some of the shows from 2006 on youtube you can see Axl is having fun up there on stage and the crowd is having a great time which is all that matters. 

haha join the club on that one!  :smoking:
when they tour the US you should be alright though;
they'll definitely have shows in Ohio & Pennsylvania so you can make it to gigs even if they don't drop into Buffalo.

I hope they play in Seattle, last time they played in Everett which was a little bit of unusual, but oh well, its only half an hour away

I was at that show as well, in fact last time I saw them.  I remember it making the "Everett Herald" regarding some people being offended by the opening acts due to the fact they brought children with them.  It was ridiculous to say the least.  Seattle or Everett or where ever, I'll be there for sure.

Yea thats what i'll be doing

Sex Education and a Guns N' Roses show all in one :hihi:

I think your signature has a few typos there

Likelihood of U.S. dates? Uhhhhh.....don't hold your breath! J/K What I think is going on and what is are 2 different things. BUT....I'm gonna say that geographically Guns MAY have more of a draw in Canada and Europe than here in the mighty U.S. unfortunately. So maybe Axl isn't making the U.S. a top priority????

maby because they sell out shows here in canada. they have a hard time filling arenas in the US unless  miley cirus or the jonus brothers are opening lol thats how bad things are getting there.

there is a big misunderstanding about GnR's popularity and ability to sell out arenas in the U.S.

there were SEVERAL packed stadiums during the 2002 and 2006 tours. the problem was that they played alot of shows, and there were a number of examples of multiple shows being played within 100 miles of each other.

sure, in some small towns on week nights attendence may have been low. but make no mistake, gnr is a huge draw in the U.S. 

True.


The ones who keep bringing this up aren't interested in facts.

Same thing with the Canadian tour. It's all "the shows aren't selling" when in fact they have no clue and/or don't bother with the fact that there are more shows for the Canadian fans to choose from than on previous tours.


You have to wonder. Do these people prefer a shorter tour with less shows or a longer one where more fans actually have a chance of seeing the band? Meaning, fans don't have to travel to see the band.

First alternative would be met with "This sucks, they're not coming anywhere close to me" or "I didn't manage to get tickets. This sucks!" and the second one is the obvious "the shows aren't selling out".  ::)






/jarmo

they can sell out in NYC in minutes

bingo. i know what i prefer. i saw them a few times in early 2006, then was able to see them on a friday night at MSG, and that monday in baltimore (where i ran into you at the bar). 2 kick-ass shows less than 2 hours from my house, and there was a 3rd in the NYC area a couple days prior.

and that baltimore show had a good sized crowd, especially when you consider it's a smaller market and it was a monday night.

Awesome! S'more Seattlite Guns fans. I dig it. I was at the Everett Show as well, and it still stands as one of the great moments in my life. It probably isn't in the pantheon of all time GNR shows, but it was great to me.

But I'm with you guys here, I'll take Everett, I'll take Seattle, Tacoma, Vancouver (BC), Portland, SF, Vegas...anything on the west coast will do. I'm dying over here guys. dying.

Firstly, it's good to be on this forum. You may have seen me on mygnr. Anyways..

It should be understood that in 2006, the last US tour, GN'R didn't book shows in some of the biggest markets in the US. They left out New Orleans, Denver, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, Oklahoma City, Philadelphia (obvious reasons) and St. Louis (obvious reasons). I have a feeling if these cities were on the itinerary, I believe a majority of those cities would sell out. Based on the curiosity factor alone. I mean when was the last time GN'R played New Orleans?

As for me, I'm trying to buy plane tickets for the Montreal show, but I'm hoping the band returns to the Bay Area. Oakland or Frisco would be ideal for me.

GnR did not sell out MSG in 2006.

Based on?

A few days after it went on sale you could only get single seats in the 300 levels.


Then only a few days after that: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1718


I certainly hope you're not basing this on something as trivial as the fact that there were tickets on sale a few days before the show.

I managed to get great tickets for U2's sold out show here in Sweden last summer. Two days before it happened. The show had been sold out for months before that.

They just released more tickets because the stage was being built, they could open more sections that were blocked earlier.




/jarmo

have to agree w jarmo on this;

and earlier in may people were lining up hours before the hammerstein shows : ok:
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i saw the length of the lines to get in and the time of day (about 3 hours before the doors opened) and went straight to the bars for a few hours; arrived around 10:30 (i think) and managed to just catch them open up w/ WTTJ :hihi:

That was exactly my argument earlier for why checking ticket availability on Ticketmaster is not the best method for gauging sales.  More and more tickets often get released as a date approaches, either because more seats open up, or those held for VIPs or whatever other reason are opened up.

Ali

I was looking at flying to New York to see the show in 2006 and I could pull tickets, in sets of two, on Ticketmaster for a week leading up to the show. I was getting anything from Upper Bowl to Side Stage. The timing just didn't work out for me.

I also remember fan reviews stating there was a smattering of empty seats around.

Of course, I'm sure it was 95+ percent sold and I'm not even sure how to go about "proving" this fact, but nevertheless tickets were readily available, albeit in minute quantities. No big deal.

The empty seats argument holds no weight because when referring to sales, you are talking about PAID attendance, not actual attendance.  So the # of empty seats is not reflective of sales, necessarily.

Again, as Jarmo and I just said, more tickets are often released as the date of a show approaches.  Hence, your ability to get seats in the week leading up to the show.

Ali

Who sits down at a GNR show?  Of course there were empty seats.  Did these people count the number of concertgoers standing and compare that to the number of seats in the building?  I wasn't in my seat, I went to join friends of mine who were closer to the stage, and we stood the whole time.  I guess I wasn't at the concert then, since my seat was empty.

Tickets for any event are released in weeks/days leading up to shows.  It's nothing new.  You just have to catch it at the right time, or find something that works for you.  Doesn't take away from the fact that some shows are "sold out" despite that being the case.

And don't forget that many tickets go unsold through Ebay and StubHub that were "sold" already. I've been to many events that were sold out where there were lots of seats empty due to the scalpers being unable to unload their tickets at the last minute.

Yeah, that's very true, dude.  In the end, it makes no difference whatsoever to the band or promoter who buys the ticket as long as it is sold.  It only matters to the venue because the fewer people that are there, the fewer people that can buy concessions and pay for parking, etc.

Ali

As it's already been pointed out, empty seats doesn't always mean the tickets weren't sold out.


I'm sure some tickets are bought just for the sake of reselling. Then you have the fact that plans change.

Ever had a ticket to something you couldn't attend?






/jarmo