Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've received a Brain email and he said that he will probably not touring.

edit: a person @ mygnrforum have the same message from him.

IMO, that's a shame. Can't imagine Frank doing prostitute drums and putting his "rock and roll" vibe on it =\

Hope he don't kill songs, like he did with ChiDem and If The World

why dont you just post the mail and the link to mygnr?

Ok, estebanf

It's easier than upload an image from my email and it's basicly the same thing, so here you are:

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=154616

oh... interesting... that was posted by the same dude of this post  ::)

Or you could have done a little thing called copy and paste I personaly would like to see exactly what he wrote but I guess this is good to

"Prob not hittin the road

-Brain

2009/9/10 Christian Maciel Antunes <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com>
- Ocultar texto das mensagens anteriores -

How are u doing?

Will u be on the road with gnr??

Your fan, Chris"

ps: of course i changed my email address.

well that doesnt mean he is out of the band..
maybe he was asked, and he already had compromises

thats really shame because i prefer brain than frank

that really sucks. brain's work on the album is incredible. no disrespect to frank, but brain is far and away the better player and its a shame he won't be playing the songs he worked on for "chinese."

maybe brain is more the studio drummer while Frank is the guy who takes it to the road.  Thats fine with me.

It is a loss but the tour will go on

That's a real shame, Brain is an excellent drummer. One of a kind, the guy is really talented. It's already a shame to have his parts re-recorded by Frank and having Frank on CD and now this. This don't please me at all. The guy's been there since 99, seems like he still wants to be a part of the band, he obviously like his work with GNR (like when he said that the track the represent his drumming the most is Shackler's Revenge) and it's just a real shame. Big thumbs down not having Brain on tour.

Well let's not cast stones until we know the whole story.  It sounds like you're jumping to conclusions and assuming that GNR/Axl doesn't want Brain to tour or be a part of the band and prefers Frank.  We have nothing to base anything like that on.

damn I was hopin to c Brain on tour! its a shame!
wonder if Frank comes to the forum and read this...how u guys think he would feel bout it?

Yeah I saw Brain in 2002 and Frank in 2006 and it didn't make a bit of difference to me.  They both fit the bill just fine.  I actually noticed Frank MORE because he would start the "Guns N' Roses" chant with his drums.  That's gotta be worth something.  I certainly didn't go home that night saying, "man the drums were off".  Nor did I comment on how great the drums were back in 2002.  I realize people want to see Brain because he was a large contributor to the album, but they've already toured without him and that worked out okay.  Life goes on.

Well...

"Probably Brain Not Tour Whit GNR"

Yes: Work In New Album, Praxis, Buckethead, etc, etc.

Thanks Good Info.

Excellent news.

that sucks, Brain was probably the best drummer GN'R had, it'll be a shame not to have him playing live  :'(

Please, explain...

i don't care a fuck who is hitting the drums as long gnr tours i am happy

brain is less of a player on ycbm and brain less of a technical drummer

both got their  flaws

but concert wouldnt be a total disaster when one of the two is behind the drumkit

With pleasure;

I much prefer Frank's drumming to Brain's. So the news that Brain isn't touring with GN'R is excellent for me.

I also have it a little bit more for Frank actually...

fair enough. Brain dindt really put the Band as his priority back in 2007, did he?

As much as I like Brain,  I think Frank deserves to be there.

I love Frank so it's not a problem for me

Frank or Brain Live  wont make a huge difference.  Ive seen them with Frank in 06 and he was great.

exactly, this is no biggie

and maybe he's just not 100% sure that there will be a tour in decemember, so to let as few fans as possible get excited if it's not happening he says he'll "probably not hit the road" instead of later being called a "liar", maybe this is not very likely but i won't be the one who says what likely and not in the world of GNR

but as the senator said, it doesn't make a huge difference live

He had his first child........
would you be on the drums.

some would.. but some would also stay home and look after the kid.
I don't blame him for that decision. Frank is a great drummer for gnr.

do you really think Brain cant play the YCBM intro exactly the same than Matt? Do you really think are skills what stop Brain to play that intro identical to UYI2? Brain is 10000x a more skilled drummer than Matt, and if he could ''copy'' Freese he can copy Matt with eyes closed. He simply didnt want to copy Sorum. YCBM intro can be played by a noob drummer after 4 lessons...

No problem isn't skill ofcourse brain is talented but I think he doesn't really into Gnr so he makes mistakes....I like Frank's job I prefer him simple but %100 working for Guns n roses

if he can why screw it up then everytime
but as  said i don't mind wich of the two is behind the drumkit there isnt much difference

I was desperate to see Brain play live with the band again, the drumming on Shacklers, Riad, Catcher, Scraped and Prostitute are amongst my favourite moments on CD and I had everything crossed hoping that I'd get the chance to see Brain hammering them out live one day. He is a top bloke and shot me a number of emails answering my questions earlier this year which meant a lot to me, he was hopeful then of touring but things must have changed.

I was also glad he took the time to give one of the best interviews available to fans about the actual making of the album:

http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2009/04/brain-axl-wants-to-put-out-remix-album.html

Ok dick...Notice how all I did was post a link to a reputible musicians's blog.  I wasnt simply saying something just to say it.  As for Brain's email, if you really are that doubtful I can send you a link.  ::)

i really like brain. earlier he seemed to be so enthusiastic about touring in guns like greentee mentioned and axl seemed to be happy to have both brain and frank. i was looking forward to seeing the two drummers on stage.
shame but there must be reasons he's not likely to tour.

So because I told you that "the rumor you heard" is false, I'm a dick?

Fine. I'd be happy to be one then.

Enjoy your warning.





/jarmo

I wasnt talking to you Jarmo.  I was talking to the person I quoted.  No need to apologize.  Read his post.

Still, enjoy your warning for the insult.  : ok:




/jarmo

Lol, awe too proud?  I've seen you say far worse and use far more profane language with people you constantly argue with on this board.  I dont need to quote you, because I dont have to.  Hope your backstage passes are worth being a dick to people who are just trying to enjoy your site.  : ok:

Profanity has fucking nothing to do with it.

When will you get it?


I don't care if you say fuck or shit.  ::)

If you call somebody a (fucking) idiot or something else just because the guy points out something in your posts, I will care.


You're obviously pretty clueless about a lot of things.....

And way to fucking go. Once again, it has to become personal..... Haha. Priceless tactic. Never fails.



/jarmo

^ Yeah, good idea to insult the adm of the board.  :hihi:

I said 2007 tour, not 2006. His kid was still a baby, of course, but how much time does a professional need to stay at home?

I mean, in real life, people can't just enjoy a year or so being a father. They need to get back to work... And seemed he did that, but not with Guns.

So calling someone a dick is more of an insult than someone trying to discredit a true story because of a link posted that was then discredited, which is what I was responding to.  I would like to see how a truly moral person such as yourself would have handled it.

And as for the personal attacks.  Well, some of us have our "warning buttons" and some of us have our own observations to use.  You use yours at your all too obvious discretion as do I mine. 

Maybe if you didnt broadcast it in your post, and would have taken the time to actually see who I was responding to, I would not have felt inclined to respond that way.

I come here for news on my favorite band and find myself getting into this ridiculous argument with you.  This is a good site, and I'm happy for your success with it.  Honest.  But you have a ways to go when it comes to getting into it with your visitors.

Yes, insulting another user is against the board rules.

If you hadn't done that, I couldn't have cared less about your post.



I understand that maybe you thought you had found some kind of inside scoop on the full orchestra touring with GN'R and nobody likes to be told they're wrong.





/jarmo

Jarmo's house, jarmo's rules. Been like that since '02 and prob before. He has his defense missiles ready at all times. Has to. Hey jarmo, remember that Van Halen fan board invasion way back when?

So, back on topic...............

As long as Axl shows up, the show will go on regardless of which highly talented musician joins him. If they are on the stage with Axl, then they are talented enough to be there. My opinion.

Do we know what's going on with Robin Fink?  Is he gone for good too?

I know we have DJ Ashba "officially" replacing him but I wasn't sure how serious it was.

How serious what was?

DJ replaced Robin. Seems pretty "serious"?  ???




Yes....




/jarmo

well it was posted on the official site, the official myspace, and dj says he's in rehersals with GnR right now.. so thats about as serious as it gets.

Well I'm glad Frank will be back, he really is a great guy and I've always liked his work.

thanks for the info....sucks that Brain wont be back. But at this point as long as Axl shows up who really cares.

Until a gnr lineup stays together for the making, recording, and touring of at least one album then it will just be an Axl show at this point.

You sound like a broken record.....

By the looks of thing, the "line up" that recorded the album never existed at the same time.

Or do have you proof that Axl, Dizzy, Chris, Richard, Frank, Ron, Tommy, Robin, Brain, Buckethead and Paul were all planning to tour together?


Since Paul wasn't gonna be a touring member anyway, the line up with him wasn't meant to tour.

That alone makes it impossible to get what you want..... But you keep going on and on about it.




/jarmo

The lineup that created and  recorded the bulk of CD is Axl, Dizzy, Bucket, Tommy, Tobias, Robin, Brain, Pitman..and a liltle Fortus.

Frank and Ron are on the album by default

last I checked in 2002 and even some of 2006 had the majority of those members on tour. Really just minus Bucket because Paul never had plans of being a touring member.

Rock n roll is about guitars and vocals. The guitarists in GNR who created a good bulk of CD will not be on the Chinese Democracy World tour. Its like old GNR releasing AFD and then shortly after touring without Slash and Izzy.

I dont know why the reality of the situation bothers you so much but from here on out its all about Axl. Until this current lineup or whatever lineup there is a yr or so from now records and creates the majority of what makes it on a record and then tours its an Axl thing. Nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.

It must be a little bit of a bummer for a kid from Idaho to dig CD and then learn that the guitarists of his favorite solos and songs are gone and wont be touring. Hence this show right now is mostly an Axl thing. And of course for the alumni who have remained loyal like Dizzy and Pitman...but mainly TOmmy

Or some wiffleball playing chump from cheap-ass Jersey.

Bothers me?

You're the one who keeps going on and on about it....


I know Buckethead hasn't been part of GN'R since 2004.

He put his mark on the album, it's there for us all to listen to and he didn't want to be part of the touring band. So he was replaced. Doesn't bother me at all!

You on the other hand...

So I'm just wondering when you'll stop posting the same "it's not the same line up that recorded the album" crap... We know!





/jarmo

lol.


It doesnt bother me. Im gonna go to the shows and enjoy the hell out of it. But its really just an Axl show at the moment. Nothing wrong with that...again, it is what it is.

An Axl Rose only should would be....uhhh, mm, well, Axl Rose only.

English, motherfucker!  Do you speak it?

sum tymez I Englush speeek

No, it's not. He's got a band. Just like in the past.


You seem to forget that Buckethead joined the band Axl was in, not the other way around.

So if you want to use the "Axl show" excuse, it's been true for longer than you want to admit.



/jarmo

what?  :nervous:


 :smoking:

Theres no way it could possibly be an Axl only show.   Without the band, there is no music..

Why the fuck are people complaining about the touring band vs the recording band again??

And what happened to GNR when Slash, Izzy, and Duff left?

Forget about the media....Im talking about the actual GNR fan base. Did most of the old fans support Axl over the past decade? The fans that jumped ship or lost interest in the band probably felt that any new incarnation would have to impress them via new music. Slash and company gained their support and hearts with the music they created.

If old GNR toured right after AFD without Slash and Izzy..particularly Slash... would it still have been the same? It might have been called GNR but in reality it wouldnt have been. And thats my only point.

You seem to forget that most people think that this is an Axl Rose solo gig. And as fans of Axl, we can no longer dispute that argument.

Who cares? LOL. Lot of people here with nothing better to do these days. It's impressive.

AC

uuuffff.... OLD DISCUSSIONS... By Newbies

On-Topic:

Me Favorite Drum In History Is Brain, excelent:

Writing, Dj, Creator, Drum, Producer, etc, etc.. General Music Styles, GENIUS: HipHop, Rock, Hardcore, Funk Is GOD

 :smoking:

kindly shut the fuck up.   all you do is repeat the detractor nonsense.

Axl himself explained why this is not a solo project, and if you want to talk about the cancer and the other alumni, go find the ex-members sections.

I try and feel the sunshine, you bring the rain.
You try an hold me down, with your complaints.

you cry and moan and complain, its all you fucking do!

seriously we are on the verge of a tour, and for some people its not good enough.

wait until the first show is played, younggunner will be one of the first to complain about the setlist.

rather than be happy that Guns N' Roses is out there kicking ass, all he wants to do is dwell on what used to be or why its not exactly the way he wants it.  pathetic.

Kindly, pay attention to what I say.

I have NEVER ONCE said that the making of Chinese Democracy was an Axl Rose solo project. You should know that by now. I never had a problem with Axl moving on with a new group of members as well. Im an Axl fan first and foremost and for the most part, I believe his side of the gnr story.  

All I have said is that from this point out its an Axl solo project until he and his band create, record, and tour on the same record. Some of you people find that offensive...for what reason I have no clue. Its the truth. Use common sense.

great song


Whos complaining. It only turns into this tyope of thread when people quote and contest what you say. Just ignore my opinion. Very simple.

Im just as pumped to see Axl touring again. I cant wait. The only way you ll hear a complaint out of me is if they stick to the same set as 02 and 06.

I want a CD dominated set....is that ok? or am I asking for too much?  (please answer that question for me)


I guess your not a fan of the majority of Axls lyrics...some of CD and some of the old stuff???

It's easy: It's not.

Get it?



Priceless. You telling others to use common sense.

You make up your own rules to what goes and what doesn't. Then get all upset when your rules aren't followed.

The truth? Since when are you the one speaking the truth?

Your truth is very twisted. The line up that recorded the album never existed at the same time. But in your rule book, it's ok. It's the majority that counts. Maybe it's just one guy that counts when you think about it. And he left in 2004...

The album you have in your hands wasn't finished in 2002, when the line up you want to exist, existed. How ironic is that? The album was finished years after the guy you idolize quit the band. Years after the line up you long for quiet existing.



Can you handle the truth?

How many of the guys in the band are on the record? Everybody except DJ. I don't see a problem.



Exactly.

Like a broken record....




/jarmo

Its not a solo project.   When you buy a ticket, does it say "The Axl Rose Show"??  Thats the only "truth" there is.


Asking for anything is too much.   Especially if you aren't even attending the show you are bitching about!    I'm happy to hear whatever setlist Axl and the band are prepared to play.   Its minor details considering the possibility of seeing GnR live again.

Frank and DJ Ashba are gonna rock. Frank was great with the band in '06.  I'm looking forward to the new lineup.

No its not. The 2002 lineup is the lineup that CREATED the majority of CD. That is a fact. Bucket unfortunately quit...but guess what? He is all over the album  ;D   :o ;)

If you want to say that Ron and Franks RE recording makes them main contributors to the album then I cant stop you. They are on the album by default. They are on the album because Axl is a nice guy and is pro team building. That is it. I highly doubt their re recordings and tinkering were absolutely needed to release the album. That is wishful thinking.

And dont twist it into me saying that I hate what Ron did on the album. I think his contributions are fine.

The album wasnt released mainly because of label/band issues. As time wnt on Axl tinkered but everyone knows if the label and Axl were on the same page it would have been out between 2002-2005.

Im not talking about whos on the album. Im talking about who made it.

99% of the fan base wants to hear Chinese Democracy.

Asking for a CD dominated set is now asking too much? geezzzzzzzz . That is comical. I would wager that even the band members would agree with me.....

Agreed, I think he has potential and am looking foward to see if he can create some songs with the band

Can I get an Amen??

He's on the album, didn't want to tour. Yet you go on and on about how the line up changed.

Maybe you need to go post on his site and tell him?



Obviously they were needed since they appear on the album....

And if people didn't read the liner notes, they'd just be amazed by the amazing musicianship on the album.

Now some like yourself just attach yourselves to the names and think something is better than the other just based on the name.

I know for a fact that some were amazed by certain parts of the album and then found out it wasn't the guy they thought it was!

That says a lot.



They all made it because without all of them, you wouldn't have it in your hands.




/jarmo

Hes on the album he helped CREATE. Hes credited with creating songs not just "being on the album"

now try saying that with a straight face... cmon man you cant be serious. Just give me a lil shred of reality. Please just once.

When have I knocked Rons talents? hes an excellent player.

If Ron CREATED songs on CD and they were rockin, I would obviously have a different opinion of him. I didnt know Bucket or Robin from a hole in the wall before they joined GNR. There stage presence and eventual work on the album won me over. Again, they created CD. A good part of it. There solos and structure are all over it.

Just like people gravitate more towards SLash than Gilby. Same situation here. At this point Ron and DJ are touring members. And there is nothing wrong with that. When they get back into the studio they will have the opportunity to change that.


Not me. I am amazed by the whole album. Minor production complaints but other than that...as you said...the musicianship is ACES.


 :nervous:

If you really believe that....yikes

Because he joined "Axl's solo project"?  It can't be a real band since they didn't record, release an album and tour when that line up existed..... Isn't that the rule? ::)

It doesn't fucking matter that he wrote songs. The thing you need to get over is the fact that he left. But you keep whining about it.







Only you exist in your reality. And the Mets don't suck.





How an somebody who recorded his own parts for the album be just a touring member?

Just because he didn't get a song writing credit doesn't mean he didn't put his personal mark on that particular song.

You really pay too much attention to the liner notes....





Yeah, weird concept. Without all the people who made something possible, you wouldn't have that thing.

I guess in order to make a pizza, you can skip the dough part.... It's apparently still the same pizza.




/jarmo

YoungGunner needs to get his story straight no one will listen when you keep contradicting yourself with this Axl's solo project bull shit.

care to elaborate?

Well when he joined they were recording and touring. But until the album was out then yes, it was an Axl solo project. When the album dropped, skeptics officially saw what we knew all along....that it wasnt

The Mets are horrendous.....

If it wasnt important Axl wouldnt have included the linear notes. It demonstrates that this was a collaborative effort to the skeptics.

Im not saying ROn didnt put his personal touch on the album. He did. And I like what he added.

the pizza was already made and cooked. When it came out Ron subtracted a few pieces of pepperoni and added a few pieces of his favorite pepporni.

so if you want to be technical it a different pizza but we all know the pizza would have tasted the same either way. But it was nice for the pizza makers to include the new workers into their extraordinary pie. Like I said...its a good team builder. Which is why I respect Axl

Good, then you'll enjoy the fact that he's in the band while somebody else isn't.  : ok:




No, I the chefs decided it needed another twist before it was done.



Weird way of showing respect by constantly slagging the band he's in.




/jarmo

Gladly you obviously are makeing up these rules as you are going along it is clear to everyone that Axl has control but it is not his solo work if it was then no creativity at all would come from anyone else but Axl and that just is not true!!!

The chefs were waiting for mgmt to be on the same pg in terms of the delivery and logistics of the product.

not really. Nothing wrong with tough love. In fact, if one isnt ultra sensitive then it generally improves the situation

Like I have asked Jimbo Slice, I will kindly ask you to pay attention to what Im saying as well

One more time...I have never said the making of CD was an Axl solo project....capisce?

Stop thinking you're in the band already!






I guess it was only wrong when you got banned.....

Go spend your time in the Dead Horse section. You're about as interesting as all those who still live in the 1900s.....





/jarmo

No you are just saying that now it's his solo work and I also think that's a load of bull since the only other member of GNR that has been rolling with Axl since Illusions had made plans to tour a few months I beleve after CD came out which tells me that in that time in between they agreed when they will tour but for some reason decided to push it back and if you ask me I bet their was a huge debate about the tour plans but some how that power was given to the executives to plan it out but the point is that Axl dose not hold all the Power of GNR a large amount of it but not more than 50% but that's what I think...

But besides that this thread got way off topic into another argument that in the end dosent really matter if Brain dose not tour we will hear about it officaly when that time comes till then people chill out and just listen to the music that's the whole reason we are even here!!!

Younggunner seems to enjoy it when things go off topic. He's like that. He comes in, does his whining and then disappears until next time when he does the same thing again.

Tough love my ass.... Nobody asked for your "tough love".




/jarmo

oh God, not this again.

I really cant understand this. Back in 2003-2005 we were fans of a semi-dead band, no news, no updates, no shows, and the only sporadic news we got were catastrophic: Bucket was gone, Axl was in legal troubles with former members, etc. We as fans learned to live with that situation, and we all used to think GNR was over, even the more optimistic ones.

Now we have seen the band tour all over europe headlining all the biggest rock festivals in the world, selling out approx. 1 show every 3/4, we've seen the band playing in asia, USA and Australia. We've seen A BAND rocking all over the world, being extremely solid instrumentally-wise and Axl improving his vocals a lot. They took a little break in early 2007, but then they toured japan, selling out all shows. We've seen special guests, surprise shows, rare songs like Dont Cry, Down On The Farm, UTLH, Sway and Sailing. Some of you have seen the band live more than once. I have NEVER seen this new incarnation of the band because I live in Argentina, and I'm still here, supporting the band. Believing in this band AS A BAND.

One year later, we've seen our dream as fans come true: Chinese Democracy. Its IMHO by far the best GNR album and it has almost all super-positive reviews, not only musically but also for its production.

The band had another obstacle (one of a million obstacles all these years) on its way: Robin's gone. The band got over that loss and called a new guitarist without any kind of hesitation. Some months later, we are very close to an official announce of a new tour.

The band was fighting with one nightmare after one nightmare all this time, but the band is still alive. I think nobody dreamed something like this. We should be happy for what we got, because we wanted an active band, we got it. We wanted an album, we got it. Some of you wanted a band that ''doesnt look like a circus onstage'', you got it. Some of you wanted different setlists, you got it. Some of you DEMANDED more information, and you got an official site, a MySpace, a million interviews with band members and an extremely unusual episode in rock history like when Axl chatted with us, more than once, and in 3 diff message boards. Some of you ''needed'' more shows, you are gonna have them. Oh, and he didn't avoid ANY question. He responded them all.

After all these things that happened, I cant believe some of you still have things to whine about. Do you think this is an Axl Rose solo gig? GREAT!!! Get the fuck out of here because this is a GUNS N' ROSES message forum, and GNR is a band, was always a band, and it will always be a band. It doesnt depend on you, whiners, it dependes on Axl and the rest of the guys. YES: Axl will always have the last word. But that's was always that way.

Theres always going to be those kinds of people that will never be satisfied.   The negative types NEED something to bitch about, because its what they thrive on.   They probably just have really shitty personal lives and so going to a fan forum anonomously and bashing the band is a sort of release for them.  I could be wrong and I'm not saying this about any particular person.  You see it much worse on other sites.   

Estebanf I could not have said it better myself people just need to deal with reality and that reality is one where GNR comes back and kicks the shit out of the haters!!!!

Not really. I said I was disapointed to hear the news of Brain probably not returning. I then went on to say that in my opinion this really is just an Axl Rose gig nowadays. Which is a perfectly fine statement...especially in this thread.  You decided to challenge that statement.

You can do one of two things. Ignore it or counter it. Its fine with me either way.

fixed it for ya  : ok:

Is it just me or is this "younggunner" a lover of being a nuisance?

Shit man, if you can't be constructive - don't come shit on someone else's good time, just because you are bitter.  Just comes out quite annoying, and aggravating.


Less of  :rant: - More of  :peace:

yeah because everything deserves a  :peace:








 :nervous:
1984 kinda shit

but still he is right with the problem of the changing band members. people (exspecially younger ones) like to identify (etc.) with the band members and some constant line-up and become fans also of their personalities up to the live-experience where it goes kinda like: "the heroes from my fave album come to my town, hell yes!!".
not to blame this on anyone band related but this point simply doesnt work with CD but did work for older GN'R albums.
and having one originally member left only IS and always will be an issue, too, "it is what it is".

and as we're also into the setlists again ( ;D).......i hope they dont "feel" to open with jungle, easy and brownstone this time  :nervous:

as for Brain/Frank and live touring: i think Brain is more like the "cooler" guy to watch performingwise but musically Frank fits more into them playing-/musicwise. and i've seen them live both with Axl.

Its really not anymore.  Its been that way since 1997, thats 12 years!!!   I think all involved have moved on, the rest should do the same.   Are you people going to just stay mad about stupid shit you can't control all your life?  Its sad.

People can either accept GnR for what it is in the year 2009, or not.  You(not you personally, but the collective) have every right not too, but you shouldn't have the right to go on fan boards and try to bring down the spirits of those of us who support the band.   Most of us are really tired of the old gnr vs gnr arguments.

Its a great opening combo of songs, if it ain't broke, dont' fix it.

I'm happy with either one.

Pretty much..


agreed  :peace:

as usual you left out the main point and quoted only parts of my post you can jump on including some small bashing and telling others what to do. i didnt expect it otherwise from a dude spreading his hate to former band members and fans from other line-ups though.

Ozzy has had far more stable bands than GNR currently have under the name "Ozzy Osbourne".  
Zakk Wylde played with Ozzy for 19 years.  Rhandy Rhoads made 2 classic albums with him.

Point is, Ozzy never had the burden of a band name, and its possible that Axl would do a lot better if he just called this "Axl".

Wheter you agree with that or not, its worked out quite well for Ozzy!  The band name has its perks and its burdens.

This whole "Recording band" vs "touring band" argument is bullshit to me.  a band should just be.... well, a band!  
You write, record, then tour.  The more parties that get involved, the more complex it gets.

We don't expect anything from people like you who can't seem to get over a few simple facts. And keep going on and on about the same shit for years because they can't get what they want.

People who rarely have anything positive to contribute but who for example are happy to whine about setlists for shows they never even intended to attend.

People who even take a thread like this and use it to whine about the same shit they've been whining about for years.

They all sound the same. Just change the former member's name. It doesn't matter who they are fans of, the so called fans sound the same.



/jarmo

wow, what a nice way to try to push the thread to the Dead Horse section.

Wasnt this already discussed to death a gazillion times? God, let it go already. It's not the same thing, its GNR. Fuck this Axl Rose solo thing, its a fucking band, like it or not.

What do you expect from people with that kind of personal quotes?

 ::)




/jarmo

Never once said i didnt like it.

Just pointed out how one method worked SO well for one person.   : ok:

nice generalization filled by hostility (again) to other fans. doesnt change a shit that the 1 member stuff is fact and this fact remains. but that was only a little part of my thoughts i've added to your discussion the last 1-2 sides of this topic, the main part was overlooked by that full of hatred Jimbobobby and thats where this hostility got in.
and once again there are people who do care about setlists and make them a factor of their plans of attending multiple shows, Jarmo, you have to accept that.

Weird.  Glancing at the news section, you used to be pretty hung up on the 1900s as well.  Then out of nowhere around 2006 it all just...stopped.   Change of heart I guess.

I love the new band and CD is in my top ten albums of all time, but if being a "real fan" means denying all former members the way Mel Gibson denies the holocaust, well that's a party I dont know I want to be a part of.  You know, there really can be a middleground and not everything, opinions or otherwise, have to be preached as extreme gospel.

Dont worry, it amazes me too!  any praise of the former members is not appreciated on here.
We cant question anything ever either or we're band haters lol.

The real negativity set in after the Del James interview.

Talk about generalization.

"Other fans"?

More like a select few "other fans" who whine and whine and whine.

Why don't you just stand for the shit you say?

If you keep posting negative shit year after year, somebody will notice.

You and your kind just expect to get away with it because it's "your opinion". It doesn't work like that here.

That's the so called "hostility to other fans". Being held accountable for the negativity you like to spread.




Holy shit! Could you tell us more about this?

I'm sure nobody else on a Guns N' Roses fan site is aware of the band's history to date!

What a revelation.


Unfortunately, you keep talking about it like it's something nobody is aware of at all. Like it's the most exciting thing you can come up with!

I guess if you're fucking stuck in that mode it must be.  ::)

A hint: WE KNOW!



Sure, but what does that have to do with this topic? Nothing.

It's just something you like to whine about.





It's called the ex-Gunners section. Go look for it. I'm sure you can manage.



Other times, it's called Dead Horse.

That's where nine out of ten posts these kinds of fans make belong.



Don't feel like promoting people who tried to make sure there was no Guns N' Roses. Pretty simple.


You and your group often make the assumption that we deny the past. Hilarious.

I guess just because we don't love the former members clothing lines or reality TV shows we "deny the past".


Once again, DEAD HORSE (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=13.0) material.





/jarmo