Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The Compulsions

9/17/2009 8:00 PM at Bowery Electric (Showcase)
327 Bowery, New York, New York 10003
Cost: $8

Compulsions Music Industry Showcase featuring Sami Yaffa (New York Dolls), Richard Fortus (Guns N? Roses), Frank Ferrer (Guns N? Roses) and Compulsions founder, Rob Carlyle. Tonight?s performance starts promptly at 8PM. Don?t miss it! More details to come.

http://www.myspace.com/thecompulsions (http://www.myspace.com/thecompulsions)





/jarmo

if someones going, ask them how's the family doing meaning gnr.

i went on the myspace page and if u read it  it was uncomplimentary to say the least about chinese democracy.  they r certainly entitled to there opinions but found it a little odd considering two members contributed to the chinese dem. record  just an observation but anyway still a bit confounding

yea i found that strange as well.  :-\

it is strange... i don't get it

Well...In the last month we've had badmouthing from the Dj Ashba camp and from the Fortus & Ferrer camp...
Bumblefoot is starting a new band ( & the rumour is that it's something big with Joe Satriani ) that is supposed to be "out there this fall" with a record and shows booked...

Call me pessimistic but it doesn't look too good to say the least.

What "camp"?

Richard and Frank are playing with a band in New York. If that band's members don't appreciate Chinese Democracy like we do, there's not much they can do about it.

Did you ever listen to The Compulsions? It's quite apparent what they're influenced by...





/jarmo

Yeah I know but wouldn't it be REALLY disrespectful to write something like this on your website about a band two of the musicians are involved with if they didn't say it themselves in the first place ?

Either Dan Rowe is a very disrespectful person or Richard/Frank have been doing some talking...

 :-\

It looks like a review/bio where they use GN'R's name to try to make their own album seem better....

And yes, it's a cheap way to get noticed. Putting down somebody else's work in order to make your own seem better. If your own work is good enough, it should stand on its own....





/jarmo

the compulsions sound nothing like gn'r, i don't get why they'd even use gn'r for publicity, they're a whole different band...

(http://i28.tinypic.com/2mph21h.jpg)

 :no:

You don't have to sound like a band to be influenced by them.




/jarmo

if they say they are, that's they're biz. but it doesn't show. that's not a bad thing either.

Then again, most rock bands were influenced by the Stones....

 :hihi:


/jarmo

and only the hives sound like the stones... on steroids!

@ the glow - re the facebook page ..

I note the comment from Robin Finck - i also note the thumbs up from a Jarmo??

It could be construed as more negative news, but then as news re GnR is none existent any related thing will be picked over .. think I'll go chill again

Yeah, I like the quote.

Today is the start of the rest of your life. You look forward, instead of back.


There's no conspiracy or hidden meaning there for me at least. I just happen to think it's a nice little quote.



/jarmo

fair enough - as I read it on the myspacepage Frank and Richard are not permanant members of the Compulsions anyway?? 

If you wanted to be positive, perhaps Frank got confirmation that day with a text from Axl confirming he is the GnR drummer for the upcoming tour? 

http://www.myspace.com/thecompulsions (http://www.myspace.com/thecompulsions)

this isnt gossip, rumors, or lies....its our friends fortus and ferrer and the new album/band there on and with....heres what they have to say about it.... : ok:


THE COMPULSIONS: BEEN THROUGH HELL EP
by Dan Rowe

IT IS TIME FOR THE FRACTURED TRIBE OF ROCK N' ROLL TO UNITE
BEHIND ITS LEADER

At long last, rock n' roll exists in its post-Chinese Democracy era. While many were hoping that release would save the form, a wave of letdown swelled when it became clear Axl Rose's true intent was to try and reinvent this kind of music instead of rescuing it. Ultimately, that album stands as a musical eyesore, failing at both these purposes, because it lacks the two things Been Through Hell has in spades--songs and being "of the moment."

As an effective songwriter, innovation should never come at the expense of communication.

While the songwriting techniques Carlyle employs are generally rather straightforward and classic, the now-or-never urgency seeping through every pore of this latest Compulsions release captures the weariness and frustration most of the world is breathing in on a minute-to-minute basis profoundly. This is dark music being made out of a dark time in our history that still somehow gives us reason to rejoice a little, or at least dance around the fire.

So, to everyone who sat on their hands nearly two decades waiting for the miracle that was never going to show up, listen carefully: it is time for the fractured tribe of rock n' roll to unite behind its leader; there are no more excuses. That leader is the same as it was five years ago, and the same as it was last year--nobody goes big like the Compulsions. This is the band that can save FM radio.


nice guys  :no:

wow... seriously... i can't believe those guys would condone talk like that.  especially about the man who so gracioiusly put them on the map.  since we're not allowed to say critical things about band members, i guess there's nothing else i can say on the matter.


OMG... jarmo, you're actually friends with frank on facebook?  how fucking awesome is that?!!  if i were you, i'd just click LIKE next to everything they post. 

Show me the quote where Frank and/or Richard says those things.


Since they're playing in NYC in a few weeks, maybe you can go and tell them exactly what you think of that instead of posting about it on the Internet?

Tell it to Frank's face that you don't like the quotes he never said in the first place....





/jarmo

I also saw a screen shot of Franks facebook page with a comment that says...

"Frank Ferrer... is starting the rest of his life today...."

various people commented on it...including our baby sitter

then Frank also re commented and said "better "late" than never"

and then Robin Finck commented "right there with ya"

dont know what this all means but it seems like its news


I dont care much about Frank so I really dont care but it sucks things always seem to go down like this


It was said on there bands web page. They are associated with this band. If they didnt approve of those comments then why would they allow it to be said?

I would gladly tell them what I think if you give me their email or something.

Why would I go to a show I dont care about? Who are the Compulsions? Could care less. Just like I could careless about a meber of GNR who was hired because they needed someone to tour : ok:

What have I told you about insults?

If you want to be a martyr so bad.... I'll play along and let you.




/jarmo

dude, don't even bother engaging him.  he's just jealous that you're facebook friends with frank and he's not.  

i'll admit, when i first read that article i was pisssed.  but jarmo's actually right... frank and richard didn't say that stuff.  the guy who wrote that article did.  for all we know, axl's kicking his bitchy little ass this very minute.  and i'm actually positive that frank and richard will quit this pathetic excuse for a band as soon as they read that article.  

Right. Because I sit around all day and hope and pray that everyone associated with Axl is my friend on myspace and facebook :no:


You might be right. But if they dont come out and say they disagree with that article along with taking it down then one will guess that they do agree with it.

I just find it funny how these guys wouldnt defend Axl especially when he is the only reason why we would be discussing these two guys in the first place.

Im not saying they said all this or agree with it but it doesnt look good that they are associated with it. Kind of lame.

It's not their Myspace page or their band!


Funny how you attack me for moderating my own site but then you demand Richard and Frank take over another band's Myspace page.....


Also amusing how your dislike for the guys is pretty much the motivation why you'd post this crap. You don't care about them, yet when you found this pointless crap you had to post it.

Kinda telling.



/jarmo

I dont dislike any of them. I have no problem with Fortus. I like his playing. Frank is ok too. I just dont think hes as good as Brain.

You run a message board. They play in a band. Im sure you would like to think you are of equal importance but at this point your not. Im not asking them to baby sit anything. Im just saying that its kind of hypocritical to call out someone or atleast be associated with those comments when that person helped give you way more fans than you would have.

Now that is telling  : ok:

and I only posted it because it has to do with the band. Wouldnt all you die hards want to know the ins and outs of your favorite members and what band they are playing in while Axl waits for the "right moment"?

Its kind of like the Vince Neil thing. Vince Neils mouth is the website. Just because he knows Dj doesnt mean he heard news from him. Even though logic says there is a connection. I mean the guy who wrote this is like Vince Neil. Just because he knows 2 members of GNR doesnt mean he forms his opinions from stuff he hears from them. Maybe he is just an observer ;D

That was lame.

Can we get back on target?  Any news on any forth coming release?  And where's Tommy?

that's weird and confusing.

My two cents...

I personally don't really care about Frank's or Robin comment's on facebook. I don't think they mean anything other than just a possitive quote which is ok.

It also seems pretty clear that neither Frank or Richard made those comments about Chinese Democracy/Guns N' Roses. I don't think Frank or Richard are associated with the band either as someone has posted. They're both from NY and for them this gig is merely an excuse to rock out and have a good time. However...Frank and Richard they didn't just tour with Axl, they played and recorded parts for Chinese Democracy so why would they help somebody who's critized their work? I don't really understand it, but anyway, this is just one gig with some band that'll probably never make it so I wouldn't think about it much.

Your constant need to try to ridicule me is amusing.


You attack me for moderating my own site, then you claim Richard and Frank had something to do with those quotes on that Myspace page.

When it's pointed out to you that your ignorant assumptions are wrong, you pretty much demand that they should get the stuff removed.


Nowhere did I make claims saying running a GN'R fan site is equal to being in a band, and every person with some common sense sees that. Unlike you, not everybody sees these kinds of things and unlike you, not everybody is fueled by personal agendas.

You pretty much come here to point out what a loser I am. I get it, I don't like you either. The feeling is mutual, believe me.

I think you're a attention seeking Internet tough guy who thinks he's got all the answers to everything because you've been a GN'R fan since the early 2000s.

So make snide remarks about me all day long. See how far that'll take you.








/jarmo

maybe but it's not like everyone you're friends with share the same opinion as yours...so maybe it's not so weird.


is this will crain guy frank?
Is this robin finck guy the current nin guitarist robin?

btw i didn't know you had a baby.

Again, I never said they said it. I just think its wrong for them to be associated with comments like that. Whether they agree with it or not.

I used to come here to read news and rumors about the band. Not much news lately and the rumors arent allowed to be posted here anymore. Even though they once were.

I know you really think I hate you. I dont. I think your ok when all is said and done. You can do what you want ...like you said its your site. I just think your a very sensitive person thats all. And its got the best of you...hence your cute lil post.

Just because you're interested in talking about what some guy who can't sing properly live thinks of GN'R doesn't mean everybody else does....





Sensitive? Yeah.  ::)

I just don't get the point of you coming here day in and day out making snide remarks about me. Often in threads like this one that has nothing to do with me. I'm not in the band. You even told me so once!

Obviously you have some kind of issues with me or you wouldn't have to make that kind of remarks.

I'm flattered that I have that effect on you!

But it's becoming boring.....





/jarmo

there you go again. How do you know how everyone else feels? Was there a discusiion on this already?

I could careless about the band or singer. I thought it was relevant because 2 members of Gnr are associated with this band. Its up to the people to discuss it. Thats all.

In my original post where did I mention your name?

Boring is the fitting word..

It's up to me to decide isn't it?

What do I want on my site.....

Can I stand for having everything posted on the Internet copied and pasted onto my site?







I'm sorry, I didn't know you were literally talking about your own babysitter. I thought it was one of your "clever" insults.

Sorry once again. To you and your babysitter.

Hope you pay him well. He deserves it.





/jarmo

Sure, but please dont say no one else is interested. Two different issues. Pick one

My first post is on page one. Please show me where I mention your name. TY

I personally find the guys comments to be shitty and stupid but it's just another in a LONG line of people who try to use insulting GN'R or Axl himself to promote themselves. Someone on another forum suggested that I not be upset at Frank and Richard for their singers comments and I will take that route for now.

I mean who knows how much they even know about this jackass running his mouth?

Please. Explain your babysitting situation.

Who's "our babysitter". Clarify that please.

I felt targeted. If that was not your intention, please clarify it so that in the future similar things don't happen.

And if you indeed meant me, then please act like a man and stand for it instead of hiding when you get caught. : ok:




/jarmo

Maybe its reading comprehension.....


you said...and have been saying...

So I said, my first post in this thread did not mention your name.....hence what your saying about me is inaccurate. Your the one who quoted me first  ;)

You keep saying that I post about you all day. My post was about a piece of  GNR information. You decided to put on your cape and disregard it as relevant. So by my estimation you like going back and forth with me

This insult crap is boring , but I too took the "babysitter" comment to mean Jarmo and am wondering why you can't say either yes or no to his question. I suppose I have a reading problem too.

I already thought it was understood....yes that was for him. he knows that

Since this shit won't go away, here's something to read.

Clarification from Frank:

While he's at home in New York, he plays with a bunch of artists. One band he plays with is The Compulsions. The Compulsions is Rob Carlyle's band and he happens to be a friend of Frank's. They have a cd out that's been reviewed by a bunch of people. Some like it, some don't.

Frank loves GN'R, he's proud to be on Chinese Democracy and he stands behind the work on that cd.

Axl, his family and the rest of the band have always treated him as a full band member from the first day he set foot on that GN'R stage.






/jarmo

That's a relief.

Thanks for that  : ok: :)

I was really like  :nervous: for a couple of hours...

Obviously...  richard & frank is GNR

 :smoking:

Thanks for admitting what I suspected all along.

So you aim an insult at me and then defend yourself with "where did I mention your name?".....

All this while trying to play the innocence card "I didn't mention you! You're sensitive!".....

Amusing coming from a guy who promised me ages ago to follow our rules.  : ok:





Just some people creating drama out of nothing. As usual in the GN'R world.

Everything means something it doesn't.....




/jarmo

Wait wait wait.

You're saying that people wondering what's up with a band leader insulting Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses and Chinese Democracy that happens to have TWO members of GN'R in his band is people making something out of nothing??

Really??

You already made several factual errors.

Frank and Richard aren't exactly in that band, they're playing with that band. Different thing. Frank is occasionally hired to play drums with them on records/shows.


Rob Carlyle, the singer of The Compulsions, didn't insult Axl or GN'R.

You're referring to a review of their EP written by somebody by the name of Dan Rowe.



If you want to be upset with somebody, it's the author of the review.




/jarmo

Oh ok. Then let me correct myself. You're saying that a review insulting Axl, GN'R & Chinese Democracy being posted on a site for a band featuring two GN'R members is nothing to be concerned with?

Not really.

Richard and Frank are friends with Rob, the guy that sings in The Compulsions.

If he chose to post a review of his band's EP on their Myspace, it's his choice. It's his band. Not Richard's or Frank's.



It's almost like assuming Ron is responsible for what Lita Ford puts on her web site.



Yeah, I think people are making a big deal out of nothing.

I get it, the review was lame. But maybe you should contact the reviewer.....




/jarmo

Seems  like a cheap way to get people talking about that band. And throwing this reviewer or the singer for the band under the bus doesn't justify it.

Guess it's just me, but if I were in a band, I wouldn't allow another band I play with to post a review that insults me, our latest album or my singer on their site.

that's basically it. That's something usual, a little bit unethical, but usual. Nothing to be worried about. BUT the fact two GNR members are currently playing/jaming/whatever with this band is something I dont like at all, and changes the whole situation.

I find that myspace embarrasing for all the ''gnr world'', i dont mind who wrote it. I wouldn't like to see my name posted in a site where my family is being attacked, no matter if someone else is the owner of the site or if someone else wrote that attack. Everybody should be aware of the context where their names are included.

Anyway, in the end, this whole thing is useful as an example of how Axl is not the ''dictator'' some people claim him to be. It is being proven that GNR members are doing whatever the **** they want to do with or without Axl's ''permission''.

Throwing who under a bus?

You just need to pick who you're upset with.

Somebody who had nothing to do with it or the guy who wrote it?

You chose the first option and I think that's wrong.


I presented you with the facts behind this non issue. The Compulsions is Rob's band. So I'm assuming he knows what goes on his band's Myspace.

I wouldn't be so sure Frank and/or Richard do. It's not their band or their Myspace page. I thought it was pretty obvious.

So the whole issue of them "letting" something be up there is weird. It's not their page!



That's been the point all along while some of you have been upset with Frank/Richard.





/jarmo

Are Frank and Richard members of The Compulsions?

You're saying they're not?

oh fuck yeah.  i knew this was all a bunch of stupid bullshit.  thanks for setting the record straight, jarmo.  time and time, you prove to be the tenth member of gnr.  (11th counting beta, mother of the band).

but i think that frank and fortus should quit this little side project.  it's not right for that band's singer to slag axl.  forgetting my personal feelings in the matter, if he's really friends with frank and richard then whey would he want to jepordize their spots in gnr like that?  that would suck ass for them and for the fans of this band who love the shit out of frank and richard.  it's just a dickhead thing to do in my opinion.  forgetting what's right for gnr and their loyal fans, richard and frank should dump this fuck face out of self-respect. 

Exactly.

I saw the band in NYC last December. Frank played drums, Richard wasn't there.

Frank seems to play with them when he's home and not busy with GN'R.

He plays on some of their releases, but not all of them. And I think Richard is on some tracks as well.






/jarmo

Ok. Well I still think it's strange.

I'm not making a big deal out of it, I just think it's a weird way to promote yourself; insulting your friends band, not to mention friends who play in your band on occasion.

again, my first post in this thread did not mention your name. You chose to put on the cape and justify what some band no one cares about said and attempt to separate two gnr members from the comments.

Maybe Jarmo can correct me, but I was under the impression that they're (4tus, Stinson, whoever.) not actually "members" of Guns N' Roses, but rather employees of the band who are under contract with Axl to record and/or tour. For example, Paul Huge seems to still be a non-touring employee of GN'R considering his extensive continued work on ChiDem after he "left" in 2002.

So the whole hullabaloo over them not being members of The Compulsions while being members of GN'R is confusing.


If Frank says something, he isn't necessarily speaking for either band, and if The Compulsions MySpace page says something, I don't see why it would speak for Frank.

Oh fuckin please.  First off, you already admitted that, even though you didn't mention his name, you were in fact talking about him.




Second, it's kinda obvious that Axl doesn't judge other people based on who they associate with and whether or not those associates like or dislike him.  His relationships, for example, with Izzy and Baz and even Ashba doesn't appear to be hampered by the fact that each of them associate with a certain guitar player whom Axl doesn't particularly care to associate with himself.

I think it's safe to say that Richard and Frank and Axl's relationship is based on mutual respect for one another both personally and professionally.

Dude, I gotta offer my 2 cents here. I play in a band and i KNOW i wouldn't want to go out and jam with someone who uses my band name ( in a negative way) on there myspace page. Honestly you say its a review written by someone else. What is the point of having it posted on there site? To garner publicity for there band? Thats lame and I dont see why Frank or Rich would want to play with someone who has to resort to posting shit about  there band on there site. If theyr'e true friends who respect there playing and appreciate them coming down to play every so often they would take the posting down. Just my 2 cents.

They did....





/jarmo

they aren't that slow afterall

 :beer: Good for them!!

Thats a step at least... I'd like an apology from the leader of this band  on behalf of the asswipe who wrote it, if i were frank or richard...

Not saying they're not entitled to their own opinion, but they went way out of their way to piss on it

Hell yeah, cant wait I'll be there!!!

Rob told me about this the other night, I've seen The Compulsions a bunch of times with Frank but never with Richard, Rob told me Richards not really a band member but he is on a couple of tracks

NYC Rules!!! :peace:

LOL COWARD!  You write that angry email!  You tell them what you think about it!  Be sure and use angry emoticons!

(You could not go to the show since you hate Frank and Rich so much, but you could wait outside to have a word with them, seeing how this topic is so important to you.)

For starters it wouldnt be angry : ok:

WHy would I travel an hr or so to tell them this? It not something that I think about all that much ;)

If Frank were to come through Detroit, I'd love to meet that dude and shake his hand. His contributions on CD are some of my favorites.

Ahhh, but YOU DO think about it A LOT!  You've dominated this thread with your sentiments, so perhaps it would be healthier to voice your concerns in person rather than through an electronic medium.  Dig?

I was the person who first brought this to this thread.  I did not do it to create controversy or get the BS flowing.  Jarmo u know this... I have had limited posts I am an ardent supporter of the band and am one of the few on this board who stays out of the soap opera.  I just found it insulting to Axl. I apologize but in no way was I creating hostility.  but I will not cower to anyone,  been to loyal  at this shit for as long as anyone on this board... i am 40. guess what changed my mind...NO APOLOGIES!!!!

I got a facebook invite from Frank for this show,as im sure anyone else who is friends with him on facebook did.  I'm checking it out..

Have a good time Old Man.  I saw Dizzy and Richard last Saturday, and it was so much fun seeing the GN'R guys play again.  It's been almost three years since I had seen them.  Fortus brings so much energy, it really is a joy to see him play.

I saw Dizzy and Richard play a club here in NYC back in 2004, it was a lot of fun.  They played "Pretty Tied Up"...cant ask for more than that.

I was hoping for PTU, but they only had time for 5 songs.  :-\

I can't wait to see the whole band again.

Update from Richard

richardfortus - 2 NYC shows comin' up. Sept.16 with the Bashers @ Bowery Electric. Sept 17th with The Compulsions (also at) Bowery Electric
about 6 hours ago from TweetDeck