Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It's my understanding that CD could be eligible for the next Grammy Awards.

Would be awesome to see CD get the recognition [I think] it deserves!   :)

Does anybody know when the nominees for the next Grammy will be announced?

I don't think it's for a couple months at least.  When are the grammy's anyway?  February?  I remember last year Chinese Democracy was already out when the grammy nominations were being made, but it wasn't released before the cutoff date to be eligible.  So, yes, it is my understanding that it would be eligible this year.  I wonder what category they'd fit under.  As Jethro Tull was once considered "metal" by the Grammy's.

According to norwegian wiki-page it's held February each year.

If it was up to me, CD would be nominated in the following categories:

- Best Hard Rock Performance
- Best Rock Song (Prostitute)
- Best Rock Album
- Best Engineered Album, Non-Classical

 :beer:

Agreed but we will see if these people will do the same thing as the dam radio people did with CD and hell yeah nominate it for a couple of gramies CD deserves it :peace:

The votes and nominees aren't supposed to have anything to do with record-sales and popularity. So in a perfect world, they simply can't ignore it!  :)

From Wiki:

"Record companies and individuals may submit recording to be nominated. The entries are entered online and then a physical copy of the product must be sent to the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences. Once a work is entered, reviewing sessions are held by over 150 experts from the recording industry. This is done only to determine whether or not a work is eligible or entered into the proper category for official nomination. They may vote to nominate in the general field (Record of the Year, Album of the Year, Song of the Year and Best New Artist) and in no more than nine out of 30 other fields on their ballots."

Yeah the grammy's have absolutely nothing to do with record sales.  It's not a popularity contest.  That's why Britney Spears and the likes don't win album of the year, even though they may have the sales to back that up.

I remember years ago Herbie Hancock won album of the year and his album hadn't sold well at all till that point.  Then he won the grammy and sales for the album skyrocketed.  Sometimes people need to be told what's good and what they should buy.  A grammy helps give some legitimacy.  Not sure if it'll play out that way with GNR.  Would be nice though.

um.....no.

there's a better chance of slash returning to gn'r than Chinese being nominated for a grammy.

Music alone won't give you a grammy and chinese democracy was so badly promoted no one even knows it came out, and the majority of those who know, don't care.

it's just we the fans that keep pushin cd to everyone's ears.

It would be fucked up, but not surprising it it didn't receive any nominations. After all, isn't Axl the Herbie Hancock of rock?

You could very well be correct, and I assume you don't think it SHOULD be nominated either.  Just curious, out of the categories listed above, what albums would you think should be nominated.  Not trying to be a dick, just trying to gauge the competition.

- Best Hard Rock Performance
- Best Rock Song (Prostitute)
- Best Rock Album
- Best Engineered Album, Non-Classical

For the record, Rock Song and Performance may be a bit of a stretch.  Not that I don't think they have the ability to win either, but I think Best Rock Album would be the most likely if anything.

Ask your friends if they have heard of Georg Solti... Nobody? Hmm...that's strange.... Cause he must have had one helluva promotion-team behind him since he's the one who's won the most Grammys (38 in all)

Winning a Grammy has nothing to do with how well you album is promoted.

I kinda doubt Interscope/Universal Music in the USA will do that....

They must be busy with Lady Gaga and the Pussycat Dolls.





/jarmo

But I guess if the GNR-camp wants CD to be considered for a Grammy by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (or whoever does that part), there's most likely a way to get it done. 

According to grammy.com, Recording Academy-members can submit entries. And since Azoff has a lot of years experience in the buisness, I bet he knows some people who know some people...  : ok:

So no worries about CD being entered. It's the "which-they-consider-worthy-of-recognition"-part that has to go our way!   ;)

Nop. No Video Clip, No Promotion, no, no,. no.. NOTHING.

I believe that Chinese Democracy deserves a Grammy nod, but it will not happen.

1. Axl won't show up to accept the award

-This is the number one reason. There's just nothing in it for the Grammys to nominate Axl. He's not going to show up, so why bother honoring him.

2. This album is a non-entity in the U.S.

-It gets zero airply. It doesn't chart. No videos. No promotion. No tour. No band photo. It's a ghost.

It's too bad, really - Grammy recognition could really kickstart this album.

Seems like you got your facts a bit mixed up! You're thinking about VMA's or Teen Choice Award. That's a popularity contest!  :-X

From what I remember, other people accept Grammy-awards for winners all the time. And airplay, chart-positions, videos and promotion is in no way whatsoever a must for Grammy recognition! It's why winning a Grammy is a bigger achievment than say.... a VMA-award! It's a part of the Grammy's integrity.

Considering he showed up at the VMA's only to introduce The Killers. I'd say it's more than likely he will show up if GN'R is nominated for a Grammy!

I think it would be funny as hell if CD won something and Axl made the same intro as he did at the VMAs: "Do you know where the fuck (bleeped out) you are!" Especially considered the Grammys are on national TV and the VMAs are only on MTV (which is watched by fewer people). I assume.

CD should be album of the year, but it will not get a mention at the Grammys

Seems like the Grammy nominees usually have a certain amount of buzz leading up to the nomination announcement.  Gn'R has no such buzz (as it stands now)...so I highly doubt they will be nominated (unless it is some obscure category like "best use of chicken bucket (non-classical)." 

Again, that's not necessarily the case.  As has been pointed out, the grammys aren't a popularity contest where they look to reward the best selling or most heavily promoted albums.  I'm sure if you take a look at a list of past grammy winners, even in the MAJOR categories, you'd be surprised at some of the names you see.

Yeah, I had the same thought when I read that.  Although I do think it deserves recognition, I wouldn't hold out too much hope.  You never know though.

Thats not what I ment to say is that they could just ignore CD all together like the radio dick heads

Why would he show up to MTV VMA's on two separate ocassions but not the Grammy's??  I don't get it...

Who doesn't like ladies and pussy?  Just kidding.  It's all political and I think it is safe to say that GnR doesn't have a favorable light shining on them now.

That could very well be the reason why some of the Recording Academy-members would wanna shine some light on CD....   :yes:  Like: "Hey! There this musical gem out there that people have either forgotten about or don't even know exists. And it's f***in' awesome!"

And for those of you saying: "Not gonna happen! Because the album flopped and it had little or no promotion"  That stuff doesn't count when it comes to this award.

From grammy.com:  "The GRAMMYs are the only peer-presented award to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position."

As far as I found out, the show is in February and the nominees are announced sometime around January. So we're just gonna have to wait and see if it happens...   : ok:

would be nice but like j dog said it depends on how fair the 150 experts from the recording industry are.

Yes, most likely so. But they are a business and in business to make a profit and publicize their clients who can bring in the most money for the record label as much as possible.

The more I ponder it, the more I realize that album has to be at least nominated. Say what you will, but musically speaking, I think it's excellent. I've never heard anything like it, to be sure. I don't think it's something that could be ignored by those in the biz, but Axl's been shafted plenty in the past, so who knows? Is this what Axl is waiting on? Can we help push for the nomination in some way?
As far as album of the year goes, what's been better than CD? Enlighten me, please.

Like with everything, there's a bunch of egos involved.

Will they nominate Axl, a guy who obviously does things on his terms or will they prefer to shower nominations on somebody who plays their game?





/jarmo

Perhaps, but when I use the word "buzz" I don't necessarily equate that to popularity.  All it takes is a few critics talking about how good an album is, or if it makes "year end" lists, that's enough of a buzz to catapult it into a Grammy nomination.  The artists on this metacritic list aren't "popular" per se, but I wouldn't bat an eye if they were nominated for a Grammy.

http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2008.shtml

Dear Science, by TV On The Radio
 Fleet Foxes by Fleet Foxes 
Third by Portishead 
Hercules And Love Affair by Hercules And Love Affair 
For Emma, Forever Ago by Bon Iver 
Oracular Spectacular by MGMT 
Only By The Night by Kings of Leon 
Volume One by She & Him 
Devotion by Beach House 
Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!! by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 
The Seldom Seen Kid by Elbow 
Microcastle by Deerhunter 
Saturdays=Youth by M83 
Stay Positive by The Hold Steady 
London Zoo by The Bug 
Alopecia by Why? 
Other People by American Princes 
Rituals by Nicola Conte 
Traced In Air by Cynic 


 GnR has neither popularity (ie record sales) nor "buzz" on their side.  

Look at it like an employee at a corporation. Which will be rewarded? Someone who does what they want or on their terms, or someone who does what is in the best interest of the company?

It would stand strong in the production/engineer categories.

The album is criticaly appraised for its so sound. Especially the mastering.

Who's the "company" in your metaphore?

True. But in the world of art, music included, the art should come first. Not the business/bullshit.




/jarmo

I agree Jarmo but if a business does not make a profit if won't last.

And if it's really about art, why would you want to make money off of your art? It's all about the green, for everyone.

An award shouldn't be about money, unless it's the award for biggest sales etc.

That's the point. GN'R should be nominated for the art alone.

But so many people in the business are too concerned about their own egos and showing others that they can't get away with anything.




/jarmo

I completely agree.

Yes, it would be nice if GN'R was recognized for their achievement but I think it's a little bit naive to take any of these awards shows like the Grammy's, MTV VMA's, and the Oscar's seriously. There's only one award that is creditable and that's the awards that comes from the enjoyment the fans get out of their specific entertainers music.

I don't see it happening.

"This I Love" would be an ideal song to submit for consideration, but in what category? Record of the year? Song of the year?

Those categories are always compiled of songs that were released as singles, and received radio airplay. Unfortunately, "This I Love" falls into neither.

Are we using metacritic as the ultimate judge here?  Chinese Democracy received pretty good reviews overall and was on many best album of 2008 lists, namely Rolling Stone and Classic Rock if I recall correctly.  Just because they didn't crack metacritics list, doesn't mean there's no hope in sight.

yep it seems that the awards are for whom benefits the judges rather than art/music fans.

GNR has never gotten recognition from the grammy's, they didnt even get nominated the year Jethro Tull won.  So I really don't put too much stock in the grammy awards.  I have a feeling Green Day will sweep up a few grammy's next year and probably U2.

According to Wiki-P

   * Grammy Awards of 1992
          o Van Halen for For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
                + AC/DC for "Moneytalks"
                + Alice in Chains for "Man in the Box"
                + Guns N' Roses for Use Your Illusion I


    * Grammy Awards of 1990
          o Living Colour for "Cult of Personality"
                + Aerosmith for "Love in an Elevator"
                + Great White for "Once Bitten, Twice Shy"
                + Guns N' Roses for G N' R Lies
                + M?tley Cr?e for "Dr. Feelgood"

Not the ultimate judge by any measure, but an indication of what is "universally" getting buzz from critics.  Two periodicals do not necessarily represent the entire spectrum of critical opinion. 

Is that right?  I never knew they were nominated for grammys before.  Especially "Lies", that's a surprise.  How did they choose between UYI I and II?  I guess UYI I was heavier like the other albums in that category.  What category is that, hard rock?

Well you said all it could take is for the albums to show up on a few best of lists, and I pointed out that it already appeared on two such lists.  So no it doesn't represent the entire spectrum of critical opinion, but it is a sample.

Yeah like I said before the Radio Dick heads just hate Axl or don't want to play the songs because if you ask me they got radio air time people (I am speaking for America here) would really love GN'R again and the other people dont want someone like Axl like who someone stated before dosnt play their game will these people dont want Axl to be a threat to them!!!!!!!!

Check it. The Radio Hall of Fame is a big joke. Can't be taken seriously at all. There is a glaring absence that has hurt there credibility now for all time. They never wanted to give Howard Stern an award. Now its too late, they already look silly and foolish, so getting an award from them is now meaningless, pointless, insignificant.

I will look at the Grammy's the same way if Chinese Democracy gets snubbed. If Chinese Democracy doesn't win best album, then the Grammy's is not really about the music.

Well music taste is so subjective anyway; just because you think it's far and away the "album of the year" doesn't mean if someone else doesn't then they are somehow "sell outs." 

...I guess the question should be: what makes an album "album of the year" in the Grammy's eyes?  I usually think it's a mixture of good press, sales, and critical acclaim.  I think CD only really has maybe one of those three. 

Personally I think John Frusciante's "Empyrian" is the best album this year, but I don't really expect it to win any grammy's because outside of his hardcore fans, who even knows it came out?  It's not like he's promoting it in any kind of way. 

I feel the same way about Chinese Democracy.  Great album, but the average person doesn't even know it exists.  I think if anything, it will be recognized as a great album years from now (like Appetite).  Maybe like Appetite, they will have to re-release a single multiple times (Better?) before it catches the attention of the public (and thereby gains it's due respect). 

I heard Empyrian. I can see why some may like it but, unless I missed something (that happens on rare occasion), it is a little too sleepy and religious for my tastes.

^ Funny comment coming from someone w/ the sn of "Buddha Master."  It's definitely a spiritual concept album.  I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it religious as it seems to be more personal than that -- besides what would the religion be?  I believe it's meant to inspire an "experience," which is why you have these long mantra-like sections (or "sleepy" as you call them) punctuated by soaring climaxes (particularly "Central").     

Didn't know he had released a new album. I'm gonna check it out! Thanx!   : ok:

Kinda proves your point that often great albums are released without much or ANY fuzz. Not sure I would put CD in that fold but..... 

I should probably check itunes for song titles before replying but from memory, some of the songs are called heaven, I love you god, Jesus o Jesus I would kiss your nips for dying for our sins. Alright so I might have made up that last one. Buddha is not a god, nor is their a heaven but regardless, the more things about religion the more turned off and tuned out I become. I do kind of dig meditation and some of the philosophies of Buddhism, but my name here means something a little different then you think. I don't remember hearing any mantras. Does he break out into a whole the one nama yoho rengey kio? Interesting.

There are long passages at the end of a few songs that are repetitions on a phrase (or mantras) as the energy of the song climaxes (not to imply that this is a unique technique used).  There are no mentions of Jesus.  One song is called God and one song is called Heaven, but these are rather abstract concepts open to interpretation.  I realize most of us live in a westernized culture where Christianity has made an effort to lay exclusive claim to these concepts, but as symbols these concepts pre-date Christianity. 

To keep the thread on topic:  GnR ain't gonna win a grammy.  Heh. 

It is possible, i wonder what all is eligible?

U know that crappy U2 album will get nominated and it is nowhere in CD's league.U figure Kings of Leon will get nominated.. Death Magnetic.. not sure if it is eligible...


I think it could get nominated at the least though.

If anything it should at least be nominated for "best sound".

Death Magnetic was nominated and won a grammy last year, I believe.

Dam right cant think of a better honor  :smoking:

Some Grammy news.

http://www.grammy.com/grammy_awards/News/Default.aspx?newsID=3515&newsCategoryID=7

"The GRAMMY Nominations Concert Live!! ? Countdown To Music's Biggest Night" to air Dec. 2 on CBS

GRAMMY.com

"The GRAMMY Nominations Concert Live!! ? Countdown To Music's Biggest Night" ? a live one-hour television special ? once again will set the stage for the annual GRAMMY Awards telecast. The special will be broadcast from Club Nokia n Los Angeles on Dec. 2 from 8 ? 9 p.m. ET/PT, on the CBS Television Network, and will announce nominations in several categories as well as feature performances by past GRAMMY winners and/or nominees.  Presenters, performers and additional information will be announced shortly.

"The GRAMMY Nominations Concert Live!!" debuted last year, marking the first time in GRAMMY history nominees for music's top award were announced via a live, nationally televised primetime special.

The road to Music's Biggest Night begins with "The GRAMMY Nominations Concert Live!!" and culminates with the 52nd Annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center in Los Angeles live on Jan. 31, 2010, and airing at 8 p.m. ET/PT on CBS. Watch here for updates and breaking news, or visit The Recording Academy's social networks on Twitter and Facebook: www.twitter.com/thegrammys, www.facebook.com/thegrammys.

"The GRAMMY Nominations Concert Live!! ? Countdown To Music's Biggest Night" is produced by AEG Ehrlich Ventures, LLC and John Cossette Productions. John Cossette and Ken Ehrlich are the executive producers.

I think there's a very good possibility that Universal will submit GNR for at least one or two of the rock categories.  It's a short selection year...and there's no competition.

Chinese Democracy is a platinum album...and everybody's heard about it.   And Metallica and Kings of Leon were last year.  So the competition will be slim. 

They will likely be eligible for rock performance, rock album, hard rock performance...or even metal.

The only real Hard Rock competition they'll face will be AC/DC, Mars Volta and Mastodon.  Although, I think Mastodon will be submitted in Metal.  All the other well-known rock albums...Dead Weather and Green Day will likely be submitted to Alternative Performance.  Maybe Daughtry or Nickelback...but they would probably be Rock and not Hard Rock.

I would assume they'd be a shoe-in for at least 1 nomination.

I would hope so, but I'm not sure how much we can count on Universal at this point.  It just strikes me that their relationship with GNR isn't the greatest at this stage in the game, at least stateside.

Nope!

http://www.grammy.com/grammy_awards/52nd_show/list.aspx

Category 15

Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance
(For a solo vocal performance. Singles or Tracks only.)

Beyond Here Lies Nothin'
Bob Dylan
Track from: Together Through Life
[Columbia]


Change In The Weather
John Fogerty
Track from: The Blue Ridge Rangers Rides Again
[Verve Forecast]


Dreamer
Prince
Track from: LotusFlow3r
[NPG Records]


Working On A Dream
Bruce Springsteen
Track from: Working On A Dream
[Columbia]


Fork In The Road
Neil Young
Track from: Fork In The Road
[Reprise]



 

 

Category 16

Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals
(For duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.)

Can't Find My Way Home
Eric Clapton & Steve Winwood
Track from: Live From Madison Square Garden
[Reprise]


Life In Technicolor II
Coldplay
Track from: Prospekt's March EP
[Capitol]


21 Guns
Green Day
Track from: 21st Century Breakdown
[Reprise]


Use Somebody
Kings Of Leon
[RCA Records]


I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight
U2
Track from: No Line On The Horizon
[Interscope]



 

 

Category 17

Best Hard Rock Performance
(For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.)

War Machine
AC/DC
Track from: Black Ice
[Columbia]


Check My Brain
Alice In Chains
[Virgin]


What I've Done
Linkin Park
Track from: Road To Revolution: Live At Milton Keynes
[Warner Bros.]


The Unforgiven III
Metallica
Track from: Death Magnetic
[Warner Bros.]


Burn It To The Ground
Nickelback
Track from: Dark Horse
[Roadrunner Records]



 

 

Category 18

Best Metal Performance
(For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.)

Dissident Aggressor
Judas Priest
Track from: A Touch Of Evil ? Live
[Epic]


Set To Fail
Lamb Of God
Track from: Wrath
[Epic]


Head Crusher
Megadeth
Track from: Endgame
[Roadrunner Records]


Se?or Peligro
Ministry
Track from: Adios...
[13th Planet]


Hate Worldwide
Slayer
[American / Columbia]



 

 

Category 19

Best Rock Instrumental Performance
(For solo, duo, group or collaborative performances, without vocals. Includes Rock, Hard Rock and Metal. Singles or Tracks only.)

A Day In The Life
Jeff Beck
Track from: Performing This Week...Live At Ronnie Scott's
[Eagle Records]


Warped Sister
Booker T. Jones
Track from: Potato Hole
[ANTI]


Playing With Fire
Brad Paisley
Track from: Play
[Arista Nashville]


Mr. Surfer Goes Jazzin'
Brian Setzer Orchestra
[Surfdog Records]


Now We Run
Steve Vai
[Favored Nations Entertainment]



 

 

Category 20

Best Rock Song
(A Songwriter(s) Award. Includes Rock, Hard Rock & Metal songs. For Song Eligibility Guidelines see Category #3. (Artist names appear in parentheses.) Singles or Tracks only.)

The Fixer
Matt Cameron, Stone Gossard, Mike McCready & Eddie Vedder, songwriters (Pearl Jam)
[Monkeywrench; Publishers: Innocent Bystander, Jumpin' Cat Music, Theory of Color, Write Treatage Music.]


I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight
Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge & Larry Mullen Jr., songwriters (U2)
Track from: No Line On The Horizon
[Interscope; Publishers: Universal Music Publishing, Upala Music.]


21 Guns
Billie Joe Armstrong, Mike Dirnt & Tr? Cool, songwriters (Green Day)
Track from: 21st Century Breakdown
[Reprise; Publishers: WB Music Corp./Green Daze Music.]


Use Somebody
Caleb Followill, Jared Followill, Matthew Followill & Nathan Followill, songwriters (Kings Of Leon)
[RCA Records; Publishers: Martha Street Music/Songs of Combustion Music/Music of Windswept, Followill Music/Songs of Combustion Music/Music of Windswept, McFearless Music/Bug Music, Coffee, Tea or Me Publishing/Bug Music.]


Working On A Dream
Bruce Springsteen, songwriter (Bruce Springsteen)
Track from: Working On A Dream
[Columbia; Publisher: Bruce Springsteen]



 

 

Category 21

Best Rock Album
(Vocal or Instrumental. Includes Hard Rock and Metal.)

Black Ice
AC/DC
[Columbia]


Live From Madison Square Garden
Eric Clapton & Steve Winwood
[Reprise/Duck]


21st Century Breakdown
Green Day
[Reprise]


Big Whiskey And The Groogrux King
Dave Matthews Band
[RCA Records / Bama Rags Recordings, LLC.]


No Line On The Horizon
U2
[Interscope]

I have a feeling that it won't be nominated


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So fucking ridiculous it wasn't nominated. Its the best goddamn album. Really fuck you Grammy's. F U and Fuck YOU! Having said that, the Grammy's can go fuck themselves.

eh Grammys are overrated anyway but it would have been nice to get some recognition there!

It's a shame that Chinese Democracy didn't get at least nominated to something...


Go Dave Matthews, go! I love this album, I hope it wins!!  :peace:

I loved "Democracy", a couple of clunkers IMHO. But overall a really solid rock cd. That being said, Im not suprised it wasnt nominated, and really, who cares? Like Axl would have been there to accept?  ::)

It got barely any radio play, not one video to put a "face" to, and no tour. I think I seen maybe 2 commercials for it. No push by the label except that piss poor deal with Best Buy, and no press interviews. I havent heard a "Democracy" tune on the radio or Sirius in a looooong time.

Basically this album went under the radar except for the GnR community.

Lets face it the album is all but forgotten now, except for those us who really follow them.

Clunkers? Your HO, IMHO blows. I think Scraped is the weakest but hardly a clunker. Say what songs on CD you consider to be "Clunkers" so I can laugh at you some more.

You know what else blows? The Grammy's. The Grammy's blow. So cool of them to only nominate the safe and the easy. They are no better then MTV now, whose balls dropped off long ago.

Axl basically said he doesn't give a shit about the Rock N Roll HOF. So I don't imagine he's losing any sleep over not being nominated for Grammys. I have found the Grammys are given to either flavor of the month or guys like Sting who released their best work years ago but get nominated on lifetime achievement. It's really not much of a barometer for what people remember 10 years from now.

That being said, the lack of promotion for CD pretty much guaranteed it being overlooked for Grammys.

I guess the record company doesn't feel like it deserved a nomination....

Isn't that what these awards are based on?




/jarmo

Yea probably.

I will just have to keep telling myself that the Beatles never won a Grammy either.

I'll watch paint dry before I watch the GRAMMY'S!!

Actually nominations are voted on by academy members which consist of people in the industry. You have to apply to be an academy member.

You know it would be wild if it did. That goes for all of the previous LP/CD releases as well.
But they really don't need too. We fans already know G&R is the stuff and we don't need a committee to let us know by giving an award to G&R. Besides I don't think Axl cares too much about those things. Right???  : ok:

So you're saying record companies have nothing to do with who gets nominated and wins?




/jarmo

i think you've summed up the last 12-14 months really. Gunss shot themselves in the foot........

I get your point, but not for having a big label you're gonna be nominated, there'se some requirements to be nominated, an important one is to have a HIT, unfortunately, Chinese Democracy, did have none.

 ::) Settle down tough guy, its my opinion. Maybe you need to get outside for a while, away from the computer.

I Think "This I Love" and "Prostitute" were the clunkers. I skip those 2 tracks everytime. They are just not for me. Again, MY OPINION.

See, and one of my favs is "Scraped", so I think your fuckin HO blows.  : ok: See how that works?

I got a job dude. Luckily its a really good job where I get paid and have time to bullshit with know it all characters like yourself. Having said that, my HO does not in fact blow. Your HO must be the only O that blows if we are to assume that eliminating all possibilities whatever is left must be the truth. And really man, calling the song Prostitute a "Clunker" only helps prove the point. I mean, yea you may not have any love in your life, never had a woman who you felt a real connection to, that would instantly create a disconnect with Axl on TIL. IMHO the song is beautiful and Axl's voice is intimate (brave).

But, like your Jesus I will forgive you. I know in time you will bang your head on the wall that there was a time you didn't like these songs on Chinese Democracy.

Maybe in time the Grammy's will see the error in their ways and redeem themselves for not paying Chinese Democracy its much deserved respect.

I find the conspiracy theories about the record labels hilarious.

Of course everyone on this message board loves the band and the album, just like everyone loves Pearl Jam on their boards. It's hard to have an objective opinion within a community like this.

I think Chinese Democracy would have received votes had it been in the public conscience and/or on the radar. Albums released in the latter part of the year suffer due to have a whole year of shelf life and over-exposed (not GnR's case) singles. Of course they deserved a nod, but it's not surprising that nobody remembers the album exists outside of this wonderland.

lol  Its like arguing with a child. Do you just make this shit up?

How have I displayed I know it all?

I dont feel the need to suck Axl's sack and say EVERYTHING the guy puts out is great, like you apparently feel the need to. Some hit the mark, some didnt.

Im not religious at all, so keep your assumptions, and your forgiveness.  : ok:

Oh yeah, happliy married with a kid....there goes another one of your therios shot down....anything else?

You might be right, I might like the songs years from now. Who knows. I do know that I dont like them know.

Keep living in that skewed world you are in. Wait for that grammy and that MTV apperance and whatver else you think might be in the works. ::)

Don't waste your time on that fool, XxWickedz28xX.

And people, don't waste your time crying about the Grammy's.  It's not a big deal, it really isn't.

Axl...being in the same category as Kings of Leon?  Nuh uh, the red-headed one is above that sort of thing.

Breathe in, remember that Led Zeppelin never won, breathe out.

Tour starts next week.

For that matter GNR has never won... Dont think thats changed any of our opinions of them

You sir, are a shining beacon of reason.

Shine on.

I am married with 2 kids AND a dog sucka. You lose. Good day come again. Don't even try getting cozy with me now dude, you can't handle the real man   :love:.

And yea dude the world is skewered. We might be the only intelligent life in the galaxy and yet we are in war after war, me and you are like 2 peas in a pod yet we are at each others throats, and Chinese D isn't getting recognized proper like. That is some skewered shit. Having said that, Prostitute is still a great song no matter what you and Eminem here say.

Yeah, I wouldn't take any of this too seriously.  Chinese Democracy never really stood a shot at receiving any grammy nominations.  Not because it didn't deserve it, but because Axl Rose doesn't play the game the music industry likes artists to play.  The lack of a video, promo, interviews to mainstream media, etc. obviously didn't do the album any favors in eyes of the general public. 

skewed.....To give a bias to; distort.

skewered.....A long metal or wooden pin used to secure or suspend food during cooking

Do us all a favor and dont help your kids with thier homework......just sayin'

Actually wouldn't "Skewered" be the action of using the long metal or wooden pin?

Fuck seems that the grammy people are fuckin stupid as well.

Joe

I don't think Axl cares about the GRAMMYS. It should have been nominated though. :rant:

Agreed Axl I think dosnt care. Its all about the music.


Joe