Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've kinda been out of the loop for a while...

Are they still planning a tour for CD or are they doing a new album?

Yes.   :hihi:





/jarmo

Patiently waiting for GNR to jump out and catch us off guard......just don't stare at the clock during the wait though.

In a perfect world we will get announcement for both this fall.  In the real GNR world, we'll be lucky if we get either any time, gulp, soon. 

Translation-We have no idea!

Thats funny!!

all we can do is see what happens in the future.

Check back with us in 6 months.

or years.

 :hihi: I was thinking the same thing. "Yes, they were just waiting for someone to start a thread so they could announce it"  :hihi:

World Tour & New Album ?

The Magic Word Is:




 :rofl:

sarcasm?  :rofl:

No sarcasm.

I'm answering "yes" to both questions.

Axl said they were gonna tour the record and that there's more material recorded. We just don't know when these things will happen!





/jarmo

Quit teasing me!  You know it makes me crazy. 

I've already convinced myself we're getting a new cd end of November.  The tour I'm not so sure about but I think it's just around the corner.  And I have nothing to really base that on.  It's GNR, it can all go to hell tomorrow and we start over.  Just the way it is, knock them down and they just keep getting back up.

maybe its going the way it's supposed to? who knows, but would be amazing, to get new record, and tour, since basically for the most part, they have toured and done alot of CD .. who knows . Ill always be a fan,So whatever.

Im sure their in talks with a tour in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if we heard new material as well on tour.

 :no:man, i saw this thread and thought there might be some real news, but no, not yet.   :crying:

Thats an intersting possibility though...

Like when Sorry was in CD I bet there alot of other songs like it and I cant wait ;)

It'd kinda be futilie touring CD now, considering it's been out a year and had no promotion whatsoever.

Where were the singles? Where were the videos? Where were the peformances?

basically the scenario for some time allready is: Axl again doesnt "feel" the time is right to give any kind of significant updates.

its some weird and uncool with so much silence after cd release when we've seen some very motivated Axl in 2006 before.
unsure what exact round to expect but fans were put in between of them.
Beta and Fernando have been more active before here aswell.
but we've had so much silence before that its nothing new for us. and they also proved that surprises can come any time, so there is always some hope and thats also some kind of rock n roll: the unexpected hit in your face!
its just that Axl seems to live in different time zones, good luck to him!

I don't blame them one bit for not updating.

Every time in the past when ever they do update on what's going on, some fans would stirr up all kinds of bullshit! If someone from the GNR-camp said anything they'd get shot right down by personal attacks when things didn't go as they expected.

So if the policy in the GNR-camp is "NO info out untill EVERYTHING is 100% carved in stone!", I'm all for it!   : ok:

Like you i?m a little bit lost on the news about GNR.
Did they released any video from chinese democracy album?

I never listen the new songs on the radio, only old ones,  it?s kind strange. someone who doesn?t use internt must think that guns no longer exist, cause er never see anu publicity to new songs

soon is not a word

They just take too long to do things!

Check the star charts and roll a few bones. Maybe you'll find the answer there.

It would be nice to get one more new Guns record before the world ends in 2012  ::)

haha, that's funny!  It will be my luck that the release date will be the first tuesday after December 21, 2012 :no:

sorry jaramo i dont really know how to use the quote function

i'm not jaramo but just click (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/Themes/HTGTH_red/images/english/quote.gif) at the upper right of the post you want to quote.

That would be nice ;)

In a perfect world I hope we hear an annoucement this fall. That the band is gonna tour in spring/summer 2010 with a new album arriving. Be awesome...

True but it would be great 2 hear them do there new stuff on stage 2.

i doubt they're working on a new album anyways.
i got the impression from DJ in his chat that they he hadnt really started working with the other guys.
hope im wrong though.  :)

without any videos or radio play the buzz for cd commercially is over unfortunately....they really dropped the ball. only ones who will go see any shows are us loyals (as usual) which to me is dissappointing. i really wished that gnr would hit a new fanbase but the train has moved on. to get fresh again they need to drop another album and then tour for both albums....

I already said something like that but I'm with u on that

Have you been to a GN'R show on the last two tours?

If you have, maybe you noticed that some of the kids weren't even born when Appetite was released....




Besides, this whole "fresh" thing is hilarious. You can't tour behind an album because it wasn't released just before the tour?

Says who? I see many GN'R fans saying this and it just amuses me. GN'R fans against a tour. Nice one!

I know some of you really don't care for the band all that much because I've seen the shit some say. But this is a new one to me.

Well we can just hope for your sake that they don't tour in your part of the world until you get that next "fresh" album. Right?




/jarmo

i think they could at least do with a single/video before going on tour.
The band at least needs some more popularity before touring.  Unless they're gonna play lots of the old songs, then people will go regardless

They toured without an album in 2006 and 2007.

The next tour will be with an album.



Why are people "worrying" about these things?

They shouldn't tour? That's what they've done since 2007. Not toured. Did it make you happier?

You must've been fucking ecstatic!

Personally I don't care about timetables and the rock n' roll rule book that says you must tour when the album is released. Whenever GN'R tours, it'll be awesome!





/jarmo

Yeah but when i saw them they only played 3 songs from CD and the classics.
My point is that, if they play mostly CD, people may be disapointed as a lot of people still don't know the album is out or know the songs well enough so it could be a potential disaster.
If they gather some momentum before going a tour, i think it would work out better for them.

It's the same for any artist!

I've seen Depeche Mode and U2 this summer. Both opened their shows with a bunch of new songs and most of the reviews pointed out how the crowd didn't get into those songs!

You don't think people knew they had new albums out? These bands put out videos and do interviews. They do everything by the "How to promote your new album" rule book.

Still, you have people in the audience who are there for the hits.

It's normal.



/jarmo

The only difference is, this is basically a new band and i assume they're gonna try and distance themselves from classic Guns as much as they can.  I expect they should only play 3 - 5 classic Guns songs and the whole CD and maybe something new.
Thats why i think the new songs should get pushed more before a tour.

Promotion can start all over again once they get out of the Best Buy contract and get the album out to all retailers.  Re-release the album with alternate covers, maybe a bonus track or two, perhaps some live footage, behind the scenes documentary or something, tour and do some interviews.   Really they still have an opportunity to make a fresh start of this thing.  Radio is a tough nut to crack these days, especially with the type of material on CD, but it just takes one hit song.  Clearly part of the problem is people's perception of Axl and also Axl's perception of people, especially those in the media and industry.  While we're not going to see Guns become the biggest band in the world again, they certainly haven't run out of time to please the fans.  Patience and hopefully soon they'll be generating plenty of excitment around here.

Axl said in 2001 something along the lines of "we have no intention of denying you the songs that you want to hear", when talking about people criticising them for playing the old songs.  For that reason, I think that any future sets will be around 50/50 between old and new material.  You've got to remember that as far as he, and many of the fans (though admittedly a minority) are concerned, it's not a new band, but a new line-up of an old one.  There's no reason to not carry on playing the old songs.

Yeah, that is true.  but with that will come the criticism.
Thin Lizzy still put on a great show  but all anyone can say is that they're like a tribute band these days. (Even the band basically admit it). although its a bit different for them cos they arent putting out albums.
Hell even some of the ex gunners have gotten a lot of criticism for playing some old Guns songs.  and they steered clear of the "Hits".

i just think it will be harder for Nu Guns to be taking seriously if they are playing a lot of the old songs.  people will always criticise them for being a tribute act, which is a little harsh.

wow...i got ripped a little. actually i saw 06 and 07(4 shows).  all im saying is it is VERY difficult to promote an album a year after it came out. many bands that albums hit a year later are usually not mainstream bands bc they obviously already have a fan base. by realeasing another album and then touring would create a new fresh buzz. of course i want a tour and of course i will be there but the fact is they dropped the ball to target a new audience with cd.

By starting a tour, you create a "fresh new buzz".

Haven't you noticed in the past? Back when the band toured without an album out?

Fans get excited about upcoming shows etc.

Besides, there are people out there who don't own the album yet because they're either not aware that it's out or don't know how great it actually is.

A tour would help in both cases.



/jarmo

Isn't that the main problem? Like you said, there are people who don't know the album is out. Why would they bother to pay a shitload of money to go see the shows?

You don't have to convince the fans, they will be at the shows with or without a new album.

I didn't say they would.

Some of you seem to think the only way to create the so called buzz is by releasing a new album.

I just said you can create that same thing by touring.

Tour -> buzz -> album / ticket sales




/jarmo

Sure, but to promote the tour you need something new. Be it a single, a video or whatever. Just to attract new blood.

And how does either one require a new album like some of you claim?

Chinese Democracy is a new album to most of the public.

Just because you (not you personally) decided to ruin the surprise by listening to unfinished versions of the songs years ago, doesn't mean the rest of the world did.


/jarmo

The thing is, we're living in an impatient world.  After a few months, something becomes yesterday's news.  That's why most bands - the ones who do things properly - tour before it becomes yesterday's news.  We're nearly 1 year past the release, nobody's talking about the album any more, and no one (not the people here, obviously) seems to particularly care if we hear anything new from the band at all... it's pretty much too late, now.  They might be able to salvage something, but I doubt it.  Short story, if they want to do anything other than play a greatest hits set and have people actually give a shit, they'll need to come up with another record, and not repeat the mistakes that they made with this one.  It's a shame because it is one of the best albums I've heard this decade, but it's pretty much doomed to be the "underappreciated classic" - or worse, the laughing stock - now.

That makes very little sense.

They can go on tour and play most of the album live. And you know what? The audiences wouldn't have heard those songs performed live before!

Maybe they don't even own the album in question. The songs would be as new to them as the ones from the new album you dream about.




Bands tour to fucking support Greatest Hits albums! In other words, albums are released as an excuse to tour.

Nobody's talking about the album? Did you ever think that it would change once there's a tour?




Seems like you live in the old world. The one where albums sell a shitload, MTV plays videos and you're only allowed to tour when you got a new album out.

This band spent two years on the road promoting the Use Your Illusion albums. First months BEFORE they were even out and then 1.5+ years AFTER their release.

I guess the albums were very old news by the end of the tour...  ::)


They don't play the same rule book you like to think applies to everybody.

The same people who are now saying GN'R needs to put out a new album ASAP are the ones who said they shouldn't have toured without an album out.

I didn't notice a bunch of unhappy fans at the shows in Japan in 2007 even though some know-it-alls were saying GN'R shouldn't tour.



So all those who are waiting for the new album, just stay home from the next proper Chinese Democracy tour. Maybe you'll get your fresh album and songs one day.  : ok:




/jarmo

No!

Every person counts.  If that one person stays home, he/she/it will continue to whine on the boards.  Also, the band loses money on an empty seat.  Also, merchandise baby.  That's an easy $100 dollars lost if that fan spends the bare minimum at the show.  Less stimulation for the economy.

People should be encouraged to attend shows.  It doesn't come natural to most people, they need a little shove or a gentle push.

That's just it.  This (unwritten) rule book does apply to everybody.  And not playing by it has fucked them over, because as amazing as the album is, hardly anyone bought the damn thing.

Touring behind an album that was (supposedly) forthcoming creates a buzz for the album (which died down by the time it actually came out).  Touring behind an album that's a year old, and hardly anyone bought is just foolhardy.

You mean like "you should attend so you have something new to whine about"?


Some fans are already ready to abandon the album while the band aren't done with it yet. I guess that's how real fans support their "favorite" band?

Are other bands' fans like this? Against a chance to see the band perform songs from the latest album live? The thing they moaned about lacking on the last tours!


Now I get it.

In 2006 and 2007, the band shouldn't have toured because there was no new album and they should've played more new songs live.

In 2009 they shouldn't tour because they have new songs to perform but not new enough!


I see....  :rofl:


Just proves the old "can't please everyone" saying....





And explain the old tours. Thanks. : ok:

According to you and "the book", the Use Your Illusion tour was too long and we shouldn't have seen the band live since about 1992 when the "by the book" tour ended while the albums were still fresh.


Amazing!





You really think people go see AC/DC because they got a new album out? Or do they go because they want to see a AC/DC show? Even though Black Ice sold a lot, it doesn't mean people go because of it.

How about Iron Maiden? They only sell out stadiums because there's soooooo much buzz about their new albums? Really?


Bands go on tour these days to play sets that feature them playing full albums or tributes to their past tours. Albums that were released decades ago!

But you're saying the only way to create buzz is to release a new album.

Aerosmith, Motley Crue, Iron Maiden etc didn't listen to you!


Are their fans as "upset" as you are about the live shows?



Isn't it obvious by now that your way of thinking isn't exactly the norm anymore? Yet you go on about it like it's the only way that works....


/jarmo

I've had a chance to peruse through a few fanboards in my time, and yes, most people are indeed very shallow.  Stupid even.  The kind that need to be taken outback and put to sleep.  Even fans of the "smart" bands whine and complain about everything.  Recent example being the U2 tour.  The most popular band in the world gets pissed on for playing new songs.

Haha.

That's funny.



The bands have to put out albums to create the elusive buzz. But once they tour, they shouldn't play those songs live. Only old classics and hits.

Is that the secret formula for success in the concert business?  ;)


U2 is another example of the buzz. They put out an album earlier this year but the tour didn't start at the time of its release. It started months later.

Their 360 Tour still managed to create a lot of buzz. On top of that, fans still attend the shows!

Weird isn't it?






/jarmo

The fans still attend the shows, but some still complain.

For Guns, I'd rather have a packed house with some people complaining after the show than a half-empty house with just diehards.  A big buzz with a few wet towels is better for the band than...something less than that.

Oh!
I didn't know Guns N' Roses were touring!
Where can I find the tourdates?

Of course a sold out show is nicer than one that's not.

But you can't have sold out shows without a tour. And a tour is something the band is aiming for according to those Axl interviews.


Think about it.

They got past so many obstacles in order to release the album and I'm assuming they want to tour it.

But what I don't get is that some fans are already saying "no tour, we want a new album".

I don't know how to describe what these people are saying nicely.

But to tell somebody who conquered all kinds of nightmares in order to get the album out, "please do it again right away", is just a fucking weird way of thinking in my opinion.






The topic is: What's the latest with GNR? Are they working on a new album?

The answer to that is, I think there's supposed to be a Chinese Democracy tour before that album.....


For those who still go on and on about it, read this. It's pretty explanatory.


spinner.com Axl interview by Del James (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=168)
February 27th, 2009


/jarmo

Wow!
That's really disappointing.
Axl's been talking about a double-album and a trilogy for 10 years now - what happened?

What happened? People took what he said and immediately switched focus to the other album instead of focusing on what we got....




/jarmo

I love how Axl says people demanded release dates.....

If he and the band didnt open their mouths every so often about the album being completed and all that needed to be done was mastering, etc then people wouldnt get there hopes up.

He mentioned several times about multiple albums and tours.

As for what GNR should do from here on out? Whatever is best for us the die hards is what they should do. Forget rock domination, Axls comeback, or the media. We are the only people who care about Axl and the band. So they should just placate us.

As long as Axl releases a few more albums before he calls it a day I dont care what happens from here on out. I prefer music over tours so I rather see another album then a tour. Any show they have penciled in the greatest city in the world Ill be pumped for. A CD set is going to be cool. Hopefully they stick with the clubs. But ultimately I rather have as many GNR albums as possible


thats because everything regarding CD...past and present....has been botched..the general public didnt give it a chance...and the diehards love it but have been involved with it for way too long....

Timing is everything : ok:

Seriously.

This is what happened:

Axl says they have more than one album worth of material.

After all the shit, they get one album out.

Certain fans: But where's the next album?


Don't you fucking see how ridiculous that is?

You spent years waiting for it, dreaming about the day it would be out, speculating etc. Then when it's out, within weeks people were asking when the next one is coming out!

No wonder he used the I-word in reference to those people.



/jarmo

nothing wrong with wanting more and more and more from your artist of choice, that's called being a fan.  and a musician should want to be in demand and have someone who is eager and rabid to hear your artistic voice

would an artist rather have someone say "ok thanks for the album, i never want to hear from you again bye"

I would agree with you if this was a normal situation. But its not.

Your right, people did spend years waiting,dreaming,speculating,etc...thats the problem. It was too long. The situation turned into a buzkill because of the delays, lineup changes etc. It turned into an enough already type deal.

So while the majority are excited and grateful that is in their hands I think most are looking foward to something new because they spent the last 10+ yrs waiting, hoping, thinking, etc about CD.

He called people of the past who "demanded" release dates idiots. I think that is wrong given that he himself, and the band often speculated on possible release dates for CD.

Nice!

So if you don't ask for the next release within weeks of an album's release, you don't want another album? Those are the two options?

It's like "congratulations for winning the gold medal in the marathon at the Olympics, but what about the next Olympics?"




They did it to themselves and now they demand the band to fix it by going through another nightmare just to please these people.




Did you feel targeted?

Let's not start twisting shit around.

He called people, who demand release dates for the next album weeks after the current (anticipated) album was released, idiots.

That doesn't mean that Axl hates his fans who would love to hear whatever he has written but hasn't released at this point.





/jarmo

Yes, they did. And they had help from the band as well...

Nightmare? I never knew the fans were present when setting the budget for the album. I guess its the fans fault that Axl spent millions and millions of dollars on the album? I guess its the fans fault that the record company did everything they could tro try and coax Axl to release it?

Axls silence elevated the myth of CD. Whether it was by design or not...that is what happened. You were the biggest rock band on the planet. You go away for yrs. When its known your making a new album with a different band its going to get attention. Thats the road he CHOSE to take. With that road comes expectations. Big expectations. And the good majority of it doesnt come solely from the fans.

Axl made his bed. So its his nightmare.
Didnt feel targeted at all.

And Im certainly not twisting anything around. Axl said the people who are "demanding" release dates for the follow up are the same idiots from the past who have been around forever. So that tells me he is implying that people demanded release dates for CD back in the day.

Where do you get this shit?


The fans waited and waited. Nobody made them wait. They were even told to live their lives and stop waiting!

Then the album comes out after all the shit, and these same people are upset because there's no news on the next one!

If you manage to read English, you can read the interviews and chats Axl did where he talks about the album's release.

No, nobody said it was the fans fault it took time. But if you took time to READ those things, maybe you wouldn't be so fucking quick to start demanding other stuff.


Like I said, you don't ask an athlete that just won something big about how he/she is gonna win next time.

To me it seems weird to start asking somebody who achieved something major about the next major achievement immediately afterwards.








And a lot of those expectations had nothing to do with why we are fans of the band in the first place: The music.






So what?

If I know you managed to get past some huge obstacles and succeed with something in your life, I should just ask for more and ignore what I know?

Greed..... It's easy to ask for shit all the time when all you have to do is to type it out on a keyboard.

Especially when everything that has been explained and said about the history until today can be just ignored.









How do you figure that one?

Analogy time!

You haven't' eaten in days. You're hungry and ask when you can have your dinner. You have to wait for hours and get really hungry. You ask again. Eventually you get your dinner and eat it in a hurry. Before you've even managed to finish the whole meal, you're asking about tomorrow's dinner.

So if you're called an idiot, it's implied you're an idiot for asking about your dinner before you got it?



Not fucking likely....


I'm sure he knew people wanted to hear Chinese Democracy and understood that.

But I'm not so sure he thought the ungratefulness, which is what it actually is when you just ask for more, was that cool.....


/jarmo

He released an album of old songs!

He's been playing 4 of them live since 2001, and another 3 he's been playing live since 2006.

That's half the album. It's not that the songs "seem" old - they are old.

Many of the musicians on the album left the band years ago.

On top of that, he teased us with talk of a double album and a trilogy which never materialized.

To add insult to injury, the band-members themselves are notorious for making comments like:

 "favorite Gn'R track... It's one YOU  haven't heard yet!"

-Richard Fortus (Q&A with Appetite for Discussion)

And then we're supposed to feel bad for asking for a release date?  ???

BTW - I'm a HUGE fan of Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses and Chinese Democracy, so please don't insult my intelligence by saying that I'm not a true fan. You should see my ticket stub collection. I've seen Guns six times, and I'll be first in line to see them again if they ever tour.

November Rain, Don't Cry etc were all old when they were released and performed live in 1991.

Did it bother people at the shows? Hardly.

It's funny you say the new songs are old because I remember a few of you whining about them not playing enough new songs on the last tours. Now it's a bad thing that they played a few.

Can't win....

So tell me. Which one is better? A 2006-7 tour with no new songs, just old ones or the way it was? If you think the first alternative is the better choice, I can imagine you being among the first ridiculing the band for not having produced even one finished song they could've performed on those tours....

As I said, it's so easy to whine and ridicule things when you can complete disregard facts or the other alternative!


Here you are making lists of grievances (is it Festivus already?) and you don't even seem to have stopped to think what you're typing.



Many of the musicians on the album left? So? The band's history is filled with people leaving.

If Josh Freese leaving GN'R bugs you that much, I'm sorry.....



Axl can talk about the other stuff hes recorded all he wants. That doesn't mean you have to be an idiot (as Axl put it) and start demanding to hear it ASAP. Especially when you got a new album in your hands. Something you couldn't have said in 2007, 2006, 2005 or.... Well you get the idea.



/jarmo

Im pretty sure everyone lived their lives during the process. Nobody put their lives on hold waiting for CD to be released. Fans were able to live their lives while anxiously awaiting the release of CD. Just as they root for their sports teams, watch their favorite TV dramas, and pursue their other passions.


What am I demanding?

Again, under normal circumstances I agree.
Who is ungrateful? Everyone is happy they have CD. If the band was out there doing stuff we wouldnt even be having this discussion.


 

Uh, ok.

The point was that you claim it's not the fans' fault that they anticipated the album for years and then felt the release was some kind of a let down.

I'm saying, nobody forced anybody to have those kinds of feelings.

It's the same with you assuming that quote from Axl was aimed at those who were asking when Chinese Democracy would be out.... That was all your interpretation of what he said. Not necessarily what he actually meant.





No, the idiots demanding release dates weeks after they got the album they had demanded for years.






Who? The idiots?  :P

What do you call it when people ask for more just as they have been given something nice?

Is that the "real fans"?


We wouldn't be having this conversation? The whole thing is based on what people think the band needs to do. If the band was on tour we wouldn't have this discussion? Really? Did you miss all those who say the band shouldn't even think about going on tour without putting out that new album? And that's why there's this talk about idiots who demand release dates.....






/jarmo

I am so split on this, I understand the frustration but at the same time CD has so much left to give. Songs like citr and better are huge! Axl is the best frontman in the world and I can't wait to see the band live again...just hope it ain't to far off:) I say release a single and promote the shit out of it, few live performances to show the shitty bands of present some real rock n roll!!!

It's pretty safe to assume we all would love more GN'R songs to be released.

But, you have to be a bit realistic and think before you start demanding a new release.


We have the album. The songs are great. Many of them haven't been performed live before.

I don't understand why people feel the album doesn't deserve more attention. For example, attention that comes from a tour and playing the songs live in front of people.



It's no wonder people complain about a lack of "buzz" when they themselves are creating that lack by saying the album's dead etc.

Your (these people) idea of creating buzz is to say the album's dead and the band should stay at home?  ::)





/jarmo

We had the Illusions' for 17 years before we got CD, so I suggest those craving more new music already should mix another drink.

just dont want it to be too late before its too late

I'd love it if the album got more attention. I called our local rock station (WRIF) to request Better four times this week and it was never played. One person who took the call was like "REALLY?!" and laughed a little bit. So I did some quick promo for the record and I honestly think I talked at least that guy into giving the album another chance. But they still didn't play it. I don't think I'm going to give up though. I'm gonna keep trying til I hear it at least once by my request.

But I really do think a tour would help. I've said it before, I'd love it if they did a bunch of small dates. Like play theaters in a lot of large markets. Maybe two shows in each city or something. Really create some positive buzz ala the Hammerstein dates. I drove all the way to NYC for those shows and there was tons of positive buzz in the city about GNR.

They could easily do something like that again. And I'm not saying everything boils down to record sales. I'm not saying they should do this to sell records. I'd just love for everyone else to get a chance to see what I've seen; amazing material brought to life by amazing performers.

but right now its more like "are you into training again and how does it work out"?

Those craving new music already, are simply fans letting GN'R know how much they 'enjoyed' Chinese Democracy, how good it was, and how badly they want to hear more. That's a good thing.

Whether Axl understands that and cares... who knows.

Quoted for truth.

I'm sure the band is aware of, and appreciates the positive fan reaction to Chinese Democracy.

However, it all defies logic for fans to be expecting a new album any minute just 9 months removed from the release of Chinese Democracy when one takes into consideration just how long it took to get that very album.

If you go to a Tool message board, you don't see fans whining for a new album. Why? Because they know it takes forever for the band to relase new music, so they've thus made the logical deduction that it's pointless to moan for something they have no reason to expect is coming anytime soon.

Well, I don't follow Tool, so I don't know if that's a fair compariosn or not.

Question: Do the lead guitarists from Tool say things like:

"The songs on Chinese Democracy were not all of what we recorded. There's more and we expect to use it on the next albums." (Ron, Brazilian Guitar Player Magazine)

I think one of the reasons fans are clamoring for a new album is that they've been told over and over again that there is more material finished.

It's kind of a tease knowing it's just sitting there ... aging.

Their bassist said as far back as 3 years ago new material is already being written, yet it's still left up to the fans to use logic and common sense as to when new material can be expected.

Nevermind Jarmo, you tell whoever you want to stay home.

That's what is wrong with the world, everyone is so selfish.

Axl's a machine and he needs to placate the diehards!!!1111one!

Holy crap, people need lives.

Anyone who expects two albums in quick succession from a band who took 17 years to put out one is barking up the wrong tree.

There are other bands out there, y'know. Maybe GNR will have some more new stuff for us eventually. In the meantime...

Expect new material? Not at all. Expect anything (performance, video, promo)? Yes.

Yes I do and I suspect the band wants to get it out to us.  I expect the normal stuff that goes along with any band that says they are in the business.  I suspect the band does too.  And I believe Axl when he says it's a fucking nightmare on his end.

I'd rather have the second album before they tour again.

Wow, what a boring time to be a fan.  Really would like to see them soon.  Would also like Robin to get back in the mix but would settle to just see them.  Don't understand the lack of promotion of the band and album.

at this point i dont care which they pick either their tour or a new album i just want something GN'R not to much to ask right

I love Chinese Democracy. I bought 3 copies the first day it came out, downloaded it for Rockband 2, and think There Was A Time is the greatest song ever. If the band tours, I'm going to go see them. Axl also said something along the lines of a new music in one of his online interviews, "Same bat time, same bad channel " could that mean more music around this November ?

So I'll enjoy the shit of Chinese Democracy forever, if new music comes out I'll enjoy the shit out of that too.
Everyone just needs to realize that its not going to be like the past, so if you like CD you'll probably like future music. If you don't like CD, don't expect to hear another AFD.

Axl also said "Better video in a couple of weeks", "You will hear music this year", "3-disc album" and numerous other fallacies and inaccuracies over the years. I wouldn't hold your breath. Being happy with what you got seems to be the order of the day.

we just need a little Patence ;)

You have to die   :hihi:

Darn for a minute I thought they found GNR base camp:

LOS ANGELES, California (Aug. 17) - A weeklong blaze that has charred more than 84,000 acres in southern California was started by a cooking fire in a drug trafficking operation, investigators said.
The La Brea fire originated at an illegal marijuana camp believed to be run by a Mexican drug organization, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Narcotics Unit said in a news release Saturday night.

HOW CAN YOU JOKE WHEN AXL NUMEROUSLY INACCURATELY FALLACIZED US!!!!!!!!  :crying:  :crying:  :crying:  :P



P.S.  My thoughts and prayers are with the firefighters and people whose lives and homes are in danger. 

I hope you don't think I actually give a shit that Axl can't be taken at his word, because I don't. Pointing something out doesn't mean I'm bawling my eyes out over it.

It's been proven time and time again that you can't take anything for granted with GNR. Believe an album will happen when you're listening to it, believe a concert will happen when the band hits the stage.

I agree with our friend there although not about taking Axl at his word.  Strange shit goes on in this business.

I can make jokes because while the rest of you are screaming nothing is going on, all signs point in the other direction.  Hopefully not straight to hell but we've been there, done that and come back every time.

At the time I posted that, I was just making a joke ..... but now after you twisted his words and said shit like he "can't be taken at his word,"  I guess that old adage "a lot of truth is said in jest" does apply.   ;)

I believe what was actually said was that they had 3 discs worth of material to choose from ... NOT that CD was going to be 3 discs long. (if I remember correctly, Axl did specifically say that CD was going to be ONE disc after Baz made reference to it being 3).

Also, the other quote was that we "would hear NEW music this year" ... and they did, in fact, play new songs on tour.

As far as that video goes, I think Robin's sudden/unexpected departure might have thrown some kinks into that plan more so than it being one of those 'fallacies'.



Since I'm really enjoying listening to CD, I'd rather believe NOW in and look forward to hearing them played live on tour along with (hopefully) some material from their next album .......... if that's okay with you.  :P

By the way, has anybody got a line on Tommy?  I'm kind of waiting for him to check in.  There's no fun without Tommy.

if only gnr message board fans were as quick to learn as tool message board fans.  :hihi:

Maybe it's because Tool fans know that they will get an album about every 5 years, tours, videos, basic acknowledgement that the fans exist, etc.

With Axl you get none of that and that is what frustrates people.

becouse the tour will happen and we will get a new album its not like YOU could do anything to speed it up we just need to wait

maybe Axls sitting on CD like a nest egg- he layed it, he's sitting on it, and now waiting for it to hatch into the #1 spot a year after its release like what happened with AFD :yes:

thats what he might be doing but we will see soon

To me it's common sense. If you have a feeling of not liking something before you spend your money on it, maybe you should consider saving your money?

Until something comes along that you look forward to, and not just look forward to finding faults in.

So many seem to go to gigs so they can whine about them. Are you journalists or are you fans?  :P


/jarmo

Jarmo,

As fans though arent we allowed to be objective though? Ive been to many shows in my lifetime and not all of them have been great. Granted every GNR concert that ive ever been to has been stellar. But Im a big Black Sabbath fan. Im fortunate to have seen them with Ozzy a couple of times over the years. But with Ozzy as there frontman its always hit or miss. Either hes having a good show or hes aweful ( totally off key). Doesnt make me any less of a fan. I'll still go see them whenever I get the chance. Granted Im sure there are fans that just complain about everything. Those arent real fans just trouble makers on this board as far as im concerned. But if someone doesnt like a particular album or says that the band had an off night at a show does that make them any less of a fan?

^^^No, you're supposed to like everyfuckingthing that Axl does.  No ifs, ands or buts or you're not a real fan.  You're objectivity is not needed nor appreciated on this board.

Or so I have been told.

who told ya?

He didn't use those exact words but Jarmo has posted towards me with those sentiments.

Objective?


Are you a fan or an observer?

Are you there to have a good time or to look for faults?

Relax, don't worry if your excitement might seem uncool to some strangers on the Internet. Be yourself and enjoy the show!



/jarmo

True no one here should complain like that I mean this is HTGTH not some news station that always trys to find controversy story's on GN'R

Why cant you be both a fan and an observer? Whats wrong with that? Message boards for the most part are setup for fans to have a voice on certain issues. Lets say they are talking about a concert that happened the previous night and lets just say that the band stunk up the joint that night ( which happens to bands all the time / mine included). As fans arent we allowed to talk about it. I dont see it as pissing on a band when you do that. It happens. People have off nights. Doesnt make me any less of a fan. I dont expect fans of my band to like everything we do. I'll use this as an analogy also, Im a Metallica fan, didn't like the load, reload, and st.anger albums. I see them every time I can. Does that make me less of a fan because I dont like those albums?

How about Sports fans?

I'm a season ticket-holder to the Boston Red Sox.

Nearly everyone who sits in my section is a season ticket-holder.

It's safe to say we are all "real fans."

We boo and hiss at our own players when they deserve it.

It's called "symbiosis."

the thing with the sport comparing is.......the teams actually show up some more frequently, huh?

not if you're a detroit lions fan...

To me it seems that for certain GN'R fans, it is impossible!  :P

It seems like the observing takes the upper hand and it's like people are afraid to be "too positive". You always have to find something to whine about or you'll just be one of those fan boys who nobody likes.

For example, those who go to the shows with the "objective" mindset that the band onstage is responsible for there not being that reunion are hardly not the right people to "observe" anything at a GN'R show.

 :P




/jarmo

people have all the rights to raise their voice, be it positive or negative or a combination or whatever. and off course there will always be some people who use the anonymous status in internet to bash the line-up whoever is in it the next tour or other stuff. on the other hand there also seems to be some bashing trend on this board to put down any of the fans as soon as they say something "unsupportive" when they're maybe just listing facts, even further they're put into the unserious category "misusing the term objective and positive constructism" .....for example is hostility towards fans who just dont like stable setlists really needed at all? jesus, they started with jungle since 010101!! yes, i like the song live and had fun hearing it on all the shows i've been, but it surely takes off some excitement when you know what song is going to come. and back to the topic we still dont know what the fuck is going on with Axl and his mates under the GN'R banner. for whatever reasons there are always multiple stops on the GN'R road where fans dont get any information what rock hit them again.

will i see there is nothing new here...same old same old...haven't seen any good concert this summer...well seen STP but mah...its not GN'R...guess i'll have to wait till 9/20 then i get to see U2 for the 1st time  ;D Thank god for the start of the NFL season!!! lets go Patirots!!!

That's the beauty of the Internet.

Anybody can get their voice heard.


The hostility makes sense.

You have a tour, be fucking happy. Enjoy it!

Why the fuck do you need to get so hung up on something negative when you got plenty of things to be happy about?

I don't get that.


And now the same people are not exactly overjoyed because there's no shows.....

There's always something wrong and this kind of people will always look for it.





/jarmo

So you can honestly sit there and say that if GNR released and promo'd CD, along with a tour and vids, that most fans would still be complaining?

Jarmo! again.....too pessimistic view of "those" fans who are fans aswell. if it doesnt go totally out of hand or too personal i dont see too much harm in talking about things which can be done better very easily, and unfortunately this has been the case within the GN'R camp frequently.

No, I'm not talking about most fans.

I'm talking about some fans.

And since it's the Internet, both groups get heard.

Unfortunately it seems like the negativity is heard more because it's "cool".





It's the impression I have after reading posts for a certain amount of years. Maybe you don't share it, and I understand that.


I just can't relate to seeing GN'R one night of the year, or one night out of all the nights in lets say a few years, and whining about it.

At the end of the day, are you gonna look back at that night and just think of how much it sucked not to be home before midnight and how it sucked because you knew they played Jungle first etc etc.?





/jarmo

These are the current songs being written for the next G&R cd entitled: The Move, The Lie and The Silver Lining.

1. Get out of my $%^&^ way
2. S.C.A.M
3. Jungle Harvard and nerds
4. Punishment
5. Lease On Life
6. The Passion of Hyacinth
7. Personal Seclusion
8. Failure to Launch
9. Yes, you are my girl
10. I told you so

 :beer: :beer: :rofl:

its a matter of how you do value things. as for me i dont care to wait and if i only get 2h or no sleep before the next day, thats part of rock n roll....the whole live experience is! but when i'm seeing them multiple times spending lots of cash i surely can compare the shows. doing that and seeing the stable setlists its some bigger downie on my view of live music/music artists. there are other big(ger) bands doing the exact same setlist in the same order each tour leg though but there are many other bands switching them much more aswell. and its not like GN'R doesnt have songs for switching, right? and again its EASY to lets say "upgrade" that issue, as there are several other issues aswell with this band. i even would welcome it if they'd leave out some big hits like NR or PC! but i also can see the point that Axl just doesnt care what those fans say and think about and he probably always will do his thing anyway, but still its more like otherwise: those fans do care and just would like it to be some more cool - which again would be easy to do.
i also dont rate it being too positive bashing every "unsupporting" post, something little too negative for my eyes at least.

Isn't blatant bullshit worth a Karma point or 2??

I don't think so. You've got to have a sense of humour in life. We're just having some harmless fun here. The fact of the matter is Axl is not going to do a tour. We might (as fans) get lucky if he releases another cd. See I know what's going on behind the scenes of the music business. The music business and certain people who will remain nameless don't want Axl to be in the media eye or perform concerts. They are afraid that he might cause the public to turn and riot.  : ok:

I was just kidding.  I should have put the ever-present "LOL" after my comment.

In other news, Axl is in talks to do a Celine Dion type extended stay in Vegas at the MGM in hopes to replace Sigfreid and Roy!!

You're so funny.

Maybe you should post your off topic posts in The Jungle along with all the other posts that have nothing to do with the topics in this section?

 :P






I saw two big bands live this summer (Depeche Mode and U2)  who pretty much do the same sets every night.

They still have fans going to multiple shows.....

Do you think that they would if they're so upset about getting to see the same songs played in the same order every night?

Maybe they're going for another reason altogether and it doesn't really matter what they play as long as they play?


A show is so much more than what songs are played in what order.....




/jarmo

That small group would eventually get pushed aside by all the positivity. There will always be a small group that complains about something in life. But that doesnt stop other people from having a good time/enjoying the moment. Unless you are an ultra sensitive person/rock band/entity/etc.

If the band was out there like 99.9% of the fans thought they would be when CD FINALLY  dropped(except you of course) then the negativity that you seem to be so concerned about wouldnt even be discussed right now.

It comes down to action. The stop and go stuff should have ended a long time ago

And I'm just a guy trying to help with the pushing....

 : ok:



/jarmo

So Jarmo ... what would you like to talk about?

the fans still would go as i will! its just one issue i absolutley dont like much and easily is changeable. when playing the exact same setlist in the same order every night like Maiden for example.......it got more into a factory job for the musicians to me, something Axl always has stood up against for, and something he did some better with the classic and with the illusion line-up. nevertheless i also liked every Maiden show i've seen, but thats just something i dont rate professional for such big musicians as they are.


off course! but thats an issue being very important in internet days, well, to some fans at least. and again: it leaves more excitement for bands and fans switching it some more and still is very easy to do.

The F1 GP this weekend?




There's no rule that says one is better than the other alternative.

It's like the new songs on the last tours. Some were whining about there not being enough new songs. And the recent shows I've seen where bands were out touring behind their new albums, they played like 4-5 songs from that album.

Obviously some think it's too few awhile others think it's too many!





Once again. It's about who you are performing for? The people at the show or the ones reading about it on the Internet?

I think you just have to play for the people who are actually there. If they have a great time and the band does too, then it's all you need to ask for.

If the virtual concert goers sitting behind their keyboards and screens reading the Internet are happy too, great. If not, oh well....




/jarmo

New Album ??

tHIS gUY iS cRAZY...

 :rofl:

no rule but still...come on, too stable setlists are just lazy. and we've been basically talking about that and not unreleased new songs vs. old songs in a show - which is an different issue.
and again this "complaint" is coming from a "multiple show goer". let me ask if the fans would have a great time even if they play some more different set or not? lets say 4-5 different songs the next show than the one before? doing that would the band suffer?

Let me ask you this: How many percent of the total audience at a certain show is one of those who goes to multiple shows?

Would you say it's a majority?

I don't think so, unless it's multiple shows in the same city.



As I said, it's not an easy thing to fix. You can change the whole set and then somebody else besides you would be annoyed!




/jarmo

That's where a setlist like the one from Inglewood '91 comes in handy ;)

yeah but with music you get way more influence i mean compare the # of band fansights like HTGTH to sports fan sights their will be way more band fansights ;)

New Song Of GNR World Tour 2010:

- SORRY
- THIS I LOVE
- PROSTITUTE
- STREET OF DREAMS
- SHACKLER'S REVENGE

Remember Of Me...

pd. GNR Play Before THE BLUES, Not SOD

 :hihi:

I agree with both Limulus and with you.  I myself go to multiple shows when they are in my area, but I know others do not.  What would be really cool is say they play 18-20 songs each show(I'm guessing that's what the average setlist was for the 06 tour).  You could have your 7-8 staple songs WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Patience, KOHD, November Rain, LALD, YCBM, 4-5 songs from the latest CD, then 6 or so random songs out of maybe 10 chosen songs.  That would be a great thing for a multiple concert goer.  As far as what order some of the songs are in could be up to the stage set up as far as pyros and lighting and videos and what not go.  Though that is pure speculation on my part as I have no knowledge what so ever of how that works.

I have been lucky when I seen them in 06.  I went to the first Hammerstein show so I got to see them play TWAT, then in Iowa they played Used To Love Her.  So I at least got to hear a few different songs.

At any rate when they come around again I will be one of the people at those shows near me.  Will I be hoping to hear something differenty than the last few times I seen them?  Of course.  Will I care if I don't as long as it's a kick ass show?  Nope.

I really dont think GNR's setlist is ''stable''. There is a part that it does: the first 5-6 songs: jungle, ise, brownstone, lald, kohd, better.

But from there, I have seen MANY different songs placed in different parts of the setlist.

A GNR fan that goes to multiple concerts have NO IDEA if the band is gonna play ''Rocket Queen''. And if someone assures you they will play it, you will not be able to say WHERE in the set is gonna be. Chinese Democracy: it has been played randomly and in different moments. Same for Madagascar.

And they also played TWAT, Down On The Farm, UTLH, Dont Cry and Think About You, all songs that are rarely included in the typical setlist but they played them all in a few concerts. Dizzy played multiple different piano solos. YES, i like them (before any smartass ask me)

And lets put in consideration that this discussion is based in a specific moment of the band, where there was no CD in stores. They would have never played more new songs than the ones they already played (a lot, in my opinion)

I only admit the first 5-6 songs of the setlist as ''perfectly stable'' and ONLY HERE I can agree with Limulus that that repetitive sequence of songs became predictable. Is that bad? I dont think so... you're all discusing this and you were all lucky enough to attend multiple GNR shows in the 2006/2007 tour. I have seen just one GNR concert in my whole life and it was 16 years ago. I only need to see GNR live at least one more time in my life. I dont give a fuck what they play, in what order.

Being behind a PC looking for ''updates'' is another thing... when I am in that position, and having in consideration that only in the best of the cases I might be able to get a shitty audience fanmade DVD , then I have to admit I like ''surprises'' in the setlist. In this particular position, I might prefer the band to open with ''Scraped'' or ''Oh My God'', for example.

But knowing that (if Im lucky enough) I might be able to see GNR live just ONE more time again, I want to be psyched with the ''classic'' WTTJ opener and the inmediate ISE like they did it in the past 8 years. It gives me shivers only imagining it. GNR should play for the people at the arena, not for me while I'm having a coffee, alone in my bedroom, at 9000 km from the show. Common sense.

And in the end of day, this is irrelevant. All i want is GNR back again on tour.

all good points, yeah. but also keep in mind they nearly totally dropped the illusion songs on 01-07, only having 2 covers KOHD, LALD and (old) NR and YCBM songs on it (not counting DC in here). for unknown reasons they left out lots of goodies intentionally! thats probably part of the stable setlist problem.
i doubt too many 1 time goers would complain if they got civil war instead of rocket queen or dont cry instead of YCBM.
they didnt do the same songs/order like Maiden are doing so there still is some little different stuff here and there, still it mostly has been from the same picked pool of songs the band agreed to play live. having it more unpredictable is giving even more excitement, is easy to do and again i absolutely dont think switching the setlist can hurt generally, even for song orders: if they play jungle in the encore......the 1-time-show goer will be pleased as they've played the song, the multiple show goer and setlist comparers will be pleased as the order is switched and there is some new opener and the band might love that, too. + there could be some cool Axl words/rant before starting the jungle question  :hihi:

basically that would be a win-win situation for everybody!

Saw them both nights in Sydney in '07 and both sets were the same. Was a bit disapointed, really wanted to see them play Chinese Democracy. Still great shows though.

The setlist is a NO win situation no matter how you look at it.  Someone is always gonna leave a show wondering why they didn't play a certain song or two or more.  If they play too many new songs, people will complain they didn't play enough of the "classics".  If they play too much AFD, it'll be not enough UYI or CD songs.  If they played lots of UYI, the casuals will be upset they didn't get to hear AFD.  You can't please everyone with song selection.  All they can do is perform the hell out of the songs they choose.  And both times I've seen them they've done that tenfold. 

I could almost understand this argument if GNR were out on the road every year.  I've seen Def Leppard 6 times or so in the last 4 years and the last 5 shows have been basically the same exact setlist.  It's starting to get a little old and I'd love if they changed it up a bit.  They played ONE new song at the last show I went to.  I wouldn't mind hearing some more songs from their latest album, BUT they still put on a great show and a good time is had by all.

As for GNR, they've only been in my neck of the woods a couple times over the last 7 years so my chances of seeing them have been limited unless I chose to travel.  I heard a lot of the same songs in 2006 as I did in 2002, but it didn't make a damn difference to me.  I was thrilled to be there.  I got to hear my favorite GNR song "Rocket Queen" the first time around, and "Think About You".  In 2006 I got to hear the "new" songs.  They were all fantastic.  Would I have liked to hear "Down On The Farm", "Dead Horse", "Breakdown", etc.?  Sure, but I they could play Hava Nagila and I'd be happy. 

its about too stable setlists from shows which easily could be changed from show to show.

I saw them on two separate legs, and the setlists were different each time.  Even in a span of three consecutive shows, the songs changed night-to-night.

I was very satisfied with my LIVE GN'R experience, and I can't wait for more; whenever that may be.

Again, if GNR were on tour EVERY year playing the same exact setlist each show you may have a reason to complain (not really but I'll indulge for the sake of it).  But you honestly can't get upset at them for playing a similar setlist throughout a tour in 2002 then a tour in 2006.  Most bands play pretty static setlists.  I suggest you go to other bands forums and complain about their setlists while you're at it, because they're doing the same thing.  Pearl Jam is the only band I can think of that changes things up quite a bit every single show they play.  So don't go complain about setlists on their board.  But get to work, you've got a lot of ground to cover if you're so upset at bands playing static setlists.

well im a diehard cd time fan i prefer the 21 century gnr songs (those on cd) to the classics. AND i know for a fact that the crowd at the 2006/2007 shows went nuts when the classics were played.

i'd rather see the whole house rocking to death than a part of it doing so.

@faldor:

thats the hostility factor from other fans i've allready mentioned, thanks for proving my point again!
there still hasnt been ONE real argument against some more unpredictable setlists.

i'm ok for going on topic again though and i still have no idea about that.

Hey no problem just doing my job.  Keep complaining about the setlists and the hostility will ensue, rest assured.  Glad I could help you out.

I think it's been pointed out to you that no matter how much or little they change the setlist, somebody will always be unhappy.

If it's not you, it's somebody else.

Maybe you wouldn't care if somebody else was unhappy, but that's a completely different discussion.




/jarmo

Considering they played 6 new songs at the first Hammerstein show and only 1 at a few dates on the UK tour, there goes the "setlist never changes" argument.

back in the uk,

hey you don't know how lucky UR boys

yeah back in the uk ;D

How unpredictable can a band with 4 albums and an EP be? 

GN'R played songs from 6 different studio albums at the gibson amp. 12/20/06

songs from AFD, Lies, UYI1, UYI2, TSI and CD.

I guess I should have said 4 real albums and an EP.  I suppose that technically TSI is an album but...

what use is it even discussing a setlist from past to worry about future setlists. the only thing people SHOULD worry about is IF there will be a tour....this year, next year????

I was thinking, you've been warned about this

But what about some kind of buy back your illegal gun program?  A deal between the band and the fans.

You know, IF there are any illegal items out there, the band could offer to buy those back with some kind of exclusive GNR something, like say backstage passes or a collector's piece.  You prove to the band you got it and if nothing leeks out on the net before the next release, everything happens including amnesty. 

your speaking  about the 06 oakland show? Or something like that? I'm at a loss as to what  you mean.

Say what?  ???

GN'R rewarding people who stole from them in the first place?


/jarmo

I heard Chinese Democracy on the radio for the first time since December!

I heard it on XM Radio, and they even had a special and proper introduction for the song.  It was very exciting.

I heard "Better" on The Boneyard Sirius/XM yesterday driving to work.  It was quite cool, and again the first time in a LONG time.  I also heard Cane (the DJ) say he was going to play some new GNR off of Chinese Democracy a few weeks back but I didn't catch what song he played.  So apparently they are still playing it, just not too frequently.  In contrast, I think Octane has completely buried CD.  They played a handful of songs off it when it came out but they stopped that pretty quick.

I last heard Better on Octane in December, around Christmastime.

I too, heard CD on THE BONEYARD.  I think Universal is starting to push this sonofabitch again.  They couldn't have remembered just out of the blue like that.  They being XM.

This must mean Axl is either making his move to tour or the radio people have grown a sense of taste either is fine with me : ok:

This also makes me believe the story HBK told us about the tour in Taiwan

Yeah, it's what the police do to keep illegal guns off the streets.  Seems wrong but it works.  And that way they know what's out there too.

I had to rethink the reward because you know if they went with backstage passes the whole house could be back there--lol  You know how we are.  Let me just say I don't have anything but I think the band is worried about it as are other bands. 

How about no leaks openly played on the net before a new cd hits the stores and everybody who sent in stuff gets a free download of a song that is not any of the cd's?  Nobody is really giving up their stuff, we just don't want it out there for the world before the band is ready to present it.  What do you think?

Don't know if this is true or not, or what to believe.  I don't see anything from this guy to make it seem like he'd lie intentionally to benefit himself somehow.  Anyway, take it for what it is.

http://twitter.com/kgibs0n

http://twitpic.com/fek8b - Stopped in at GCStudios and was surprised to see GunsNRoses jamming out for a Line6 promo! Nice little mini concert
7:17 PM Aug 26th from TwitPic

Found this by the way via www.chinese-democracy.blogspot.com

False.




/jarmo

Actually Dizzy's twitter mentioned this Line 6 party.

"Playing a Line 6 party tomorrow"
(6:22 AM Aug 26th from web )
http://twitter.com/DizzyReed

So, I wouldn't exactly call it false - more like it was probably just Dizzy, Richard and DJ (or some other combination of GN'R musicians).

Can someone clear things?

Guns N' Roses didn't do any jamming like that person claims.

It's possible he saw Dizzy play though.





/jarmo

 DizzyReed
@VIPER ROOM 2nite. Playing some new original songs w/Richard Fortus & other surprise Guest Stars. U Don't wanna miss this! Come & Rock!
7:27 PM Aug 29th from web

I was wondering if this Guest Star would be Slash....but if isn't Slash, who it is?


I don't think he would confound Dizzy with the whole Guns N' Roses.

I don't think there were any guests. His set was shorter than planned.





Maybe it was Dizzy and his band.



/jarmo

He wouldn't confound Dizzy Reed and any other band with THE Guns N' Roses.... by the way, he would have seen if it wasn't Axl singing....well, who knows..

How do you know that this person knows exactly who is in GN'R?


The fact is, it was not Guns N' Roses.



/jarmo

Agreed.
It was definitely not Guns N' Roses.

It's still very interesting, no?

Not really?

no, it's not really all that interesting; seems it's just another case of someone who automatically thought if a gnr member was there, then it was a gnr show, and then they hurried and got on the internet and had to post this "news", only it wasn't really news at all.  if he was talking about dizzy's show at the viper room, well, that was widely known about, so doesn't seem like that would have been any kind of secret gnr show.

so what is really going on with gnr????? 

Currently and Officially? Nothing.

We do know that they're NOT playing India according to Jarmo and Ron at least. And we know that China and Japan collectively think GN'R is coming there in December but no one knows for sure.

Hopefully the final touches on the tour preparations but still no word on it

Makes me crazy every time this topic gets kicked back up to the top.  I don't think discussion on a new cd should ever drop off.  Don't want to sound demanding but I think they're on it.