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the Red Hot Chili Peppers are on hiatus, in order to survive, Velvet Revolver needs to step it up and get an A-lister better than Weiland

Keidis has never done a project other than the Peppers

What a better way to broaden his horizons than to play with other A-listers

Would be interesting as Keidis is currently sober (I think)

Suggestion - No GNR covers, No RHCP covers, and very few old VR songs

I think it could be mind-blowing

What do others think?

I thouht about this the other day.  They definately could come up with some good tunes.

Why do you think Kiedis would ruin his career with VR without any need?

VR wont find a greater frontman than Weiland. Any greater frontman than Weiland wouldn't join a band that has no future.

The only chance I see is an absolute unknown looking forward to start a musical career. Someone from Americal Idol, for example. Or a mediocre and devaluated singer with some glory in the past like Gary Cherone or Brett Michaels.

Why do you think Kiedis would ruin his career with VR without any need?

VR wont find a greater frontman than Weiland. Any greater frontman than Weiland wouldn't join a band that has no future.

The only chance I see is an absolute unknown looking forward to start a musical career. Someone from Americal Idol, for example. Or a mediocre and devaluated singer with some glory in the past like Gary Cherone or Brett Michaels.


you act like Slash and Duff aren't amazing musicians

Last time I checked, RHCP have been irrelevant since 1999 or earlier if you get right down to it

Kiedis needs to do something - I know his child would appreciate if he at least tried something other than the peppers

Shit, Chad Smith is playing with a supergroup - why not have a interesting side-project while RHCP take a break

btw - Weiland released a helluva dud with Libertad and even worse with his boring double-disc solo album - and i used to be a huge weiland fan - seen him with stp twice, solo 3 times and VR twice

as we all know the line-up looked good on paper, but the proof is in the pudding

with Keidis, i am thinking more along the lines of rock/psychadelic no funk like the peppers

Discuss

amazing musicans who made liberturd?

bullshit.  Their double album that came out 3 years ago has sold more records than all of VR's combined.

Mr Keidis made his name with the Red Hot Chili Peppers. What makes anyone think that he would cross over to VR? Don't get me wrong, I love Anthony Keidis but he belongs in the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

bullshit.  Their double album that came out 3 years ago has sold more records than all of VR's combined.



I was expecting that - the RHCP name alone will bring in millions of albums all by itself

So, by this argument, Creed , Limp Bizkit, and Korn are relevent and quality just because they ruled music in the 90's

history has conclusively shown that total # of albums sold proves absolutely nothing

The RHCP inspirations have dried up - how many fucking times do I need another song about hollywood, california, etc

the chili peppers' last double album had tons of fillers and mediocre singles - certainly not their best work

even Californication in 1999 was not that good - the song otherside is annoying to say the least

Even Rick Rubin couldn't inspire them anymore to expand their sound

Why is it so rediculous for Keidis to do this?

When was the last time he performed with any other band or musician for even 1 song.... oh yea NEVER!!

I think people are scared it could actually be good

Stadium Arcadium is my favorite album of the 21st century


They are still relevant and awesome

Who cares if Libertad aint that good?  What about Contraband, thats faaar better than your little hero's latest 15 year effort  : ok:

Go throw yourself off a bridge blowjob.

Back on topic, i wouldnt really like to see this.

Maybe as a collaboration on the solo album.

just 3 years ago they released an album that has outsold all VR releases combined.  That is not irrelevant.     Like em or not, don't be stupid. 


is this really necessary?   why are you even on this site if all you want to do is bash chinese D?

Are YOU really neccesary?  Why on earth are you always on the Velvet Revolver threads if you hate Slash and all his fan's so much?
Why are YOU reading this thread if all you're gonna do is make stupid comments like "Liberturd".
And im not just on here to "bash" Chinese D, I simply think that Contraband is far better.  Is it such a problem to think that?  Does that mean I cant follow GNR anymore?   Are some of your comments in the GNR threads really neccesary?

Stop trying to start trouble with stupid comments  : ok:

dont think keidis is good enough live (vocally). Hes often out of breathe.

Whether you like it or not, if you're selling millions of records, that means millions of people think that you're still relevant.  Relevance isn't decided by quality, you know (even though I do love new Chili Peppers stuff, and aren't saying it's not good).

There's really nothing to argue about here. We're not going to see Anthony Keidis in Velvet Revolver.

I think (maybe I'm the only one) Libertad is a very good album with a lot of good songs. It's just because it sells not that much and has less attention as contraband, people think it's a bad album.

I think Kiedis would be a bad idea.  He's a great front man, but aren't RHCP still together?  So, even if it did work and they made some great songs, it would end up being another case of lead singer goes back to old band and they're left without a front man again.   

I don't mind libertad.  I just don't think its great, and i have very high standards for Slash, Duff and even Axl.  Let it roll, just 16 and gravedancer are awesome songs.

So yeah, its not bad but they were capable of so much better.

... builds quick machines, pills demons ..., american man, mary mary, just sixteen & for a brother
these are alle good songs imo
best song is not on the album, and that's a shame: MESSAGES, great guitar on that one

yeah Messages is awesome, I cant believe they didnt put that one on libertad.

And to this day, i cant believe YGNR from contraband wasnt released as a single

ok - maybe RHCP are still relevant in the case that they get airplay, but my point is that their quality of music has had a steady decline over the past decade

Believe me, I certainly wouldn't want Keidis to sing It's so easy (in fact, Axl, Duff, or Izzy should be the only ones to sing it)

Keidis comes from a different school of philosophy when it comes to music

He is more peace, love, social justice, and openmindedness

the GNR guys are more old-fashioned straight-up Rock n Roll

The problem with Weiland was that he tried to change is vocal range to suit the band, lets face it - Weiland had absolutely no business singing any GNR songs - people should go see GNR if they want to hear GNR songs

C'mon - this is NOT Camp Freddy, which is almost a parody of musical characters

VR- failed because they tried too hard to be accepted

With Keidis (or someone of his caliber) they should refuse to drag out GNR or the frontman's songs if he or she is famous

This was the plan with VR originally.  They played them songs when contraband first came out cos they didnt have enough material for a whole set.  Just before Libertad came out, Slash said they were gonna take them out of the set.  Of course, whatever happened with VR and we'll probably never fully know, they didnt care about Libertad at all and continued playing the covers live.

Mind you, I always think its cool for them to play one or two Guns tunes.  The crowd really dig it!

sorry to ask you this but... are you Perla?

Because only Slash's wife can say such a stupidty like that.

This is not about being tolerant or not. You just can't say something like that. Not even VR members theirselves might think Contraband is ''faaar better'' than Chinese Democracy.

I don't understand the idea around here it's like if you have a majority opinion and someone complains you get the "why don't you just understand that I like insert so and so or such and such better" but the other way around never seems to click? I'm sure MANY people think that Contraband is a better record that Chinese Democracy , it's a better straight a head rock n roll record thats for sure. To each is there own , NO ones opinion is factual. You can't prove that Contraband is better than CD , or CD is better than Contraband , its all a matter of personal preference.

i don't think perla thinks VR is far better than democracy; she's said in interviews she didnt think VR was slash's best work

Why the fuck do we care what Slash's wife thinks about Contraband or Chinese Democracy. Get a fucking life all that matters is what you think about said albums. Keidis in VR would be awful, he doesn't have a real good voice or range from what i've heard and hs lyrics aren't the greatest. It would be even more of pieced together pop rock album than libertad

RHCP > than most everything


Californication, By The Way and Stadium Arcadium are all amazing albums.

Kiedis' style would never work though for this band


Contraband is one of my favorite albums of all time.

It is very different than CD though so it is hard to compare


CB is a better straight up "rock" cd though

Compared to AFD and UYI that is and What is better than that? not much

Libertad failed commercially for the same reason CD did.  Lack of cross over big time singles. that is music today. If u don't have one or two songs that really hit, u can forget selling albums


CB had Slither and FTP which were massive hits therefore CB sold

Libertad had SBQM and Last Fight which weren't great singles and Libertad flopped.


Libertad flopped cause VR went away from the CB hard rocking kick ass style to more of an artsy Scott record.

the amazing musicans that also made afd.. oh and contraband.. that has sold 4mm albums world wide.. and debuted at number 1.. if you go by that then i guess they are better musicians than a band that made an album that has sold 2.6 mm world wide.. and only debuted at number 3???  right?

EGADS D, I find them virtually unlistenable.

Just goes to show it's all comes back to personal preference. :yes:

It isn't about VR being inferior musically to RHCP cause they aren't

just sayin, why would Kiedis leave HIS band to join someone elses?


also, Kiedis' style wouldn't go well with VR's rock

back on topic though.. i like RHP but don't think kiedis would work for VR.. his style is much different than what vr shoud look for.. they just need a rock n roll singer..  i still think josh todd was the best fit.. but they  blew that for some reason..  now i'm hoping for the guy from million dollar reload.. Travel is really a great song.  Wether he was ever really considered or not for VR.. i don't know.. but getting his name thrown tossed around as a potential singer tricked me into checking them out.. and i ended up buying the album.. the album is ok.. but that one song is really awsome.. sorry went off topic again.

look at you making this about gnr.   ::)

contraband came out in 2004.  it would not sell those numbers in 2004.  and don't underestimate the number of STP fans who had interest in the project.. they were one of the top selling acts of the 1990s.

anyways, sales doesnt' mean quality.   liberturd sucks whether it sold 10 copies or 10 million copies.   contraband isn't that great either, albeit it had a couple catchy radio friendly tunes.   And since you wanted to bring up CD, its way better than either of those two albums.

5 years later I still listen to Contraband quite a bit

Libertad........... Everyonce in a while I'll break out Let It Roll, She Mine, Get Out The Door, Don't drop that dime and Messages.

Rest though.........

I hate when people say sales dont mean quality......... That sounds like the "it doesn't matter if u win or lose but how u play the game" bullshit.

Sales don't matter if u are an indie underground band, if u are a major band, they matter.

I can't stand Fall to Pieces.  Slither was all right.

Fall To Pieces had an amazing video


Suckertrain
Do it for the kids
Headspace
Spectacle
Fall To Pieces
Superhuman
YGNR
Dirty Little Thing
Set Me Free
Slither
Lovin The Alien

all of these deliver Big time and CB is the PEFECT workout CD. I have used it for years and it gives u the perfect adrenaline boost and the ballads are perfectly spaced out to give u that little extra emotion.

In YOUR opinion.  And in the VR thread its quite likely that a lot of people would prefer CB.

CB is a better hard rock CD, which is why a lot of us got into Guns originally.

Couldn't agree more! :beer:

Well, whatever we're arguing about....I still say Kiedis would be a bad choice! 

Yeah look RHCP and GnR are my two faveourite bands. But they are from two totally different places musically - and not the type of two different places which could work together. They way they write and function is so completely on different sides of the planet it would NEVER ever work.

I do agree VR need to get a front man soon and it needs to be an A-Lister. Cornell is so obviously the best choice. Their age, in the public eye and great voice. But thats never gonna happen. . . . . The linkin park dude could also work.

I dono

The damageplan singer!

it'll never happen. two different worlds, can't imagine what the music would sound like.

Anthony wouldn't really fit in with VR. I love RHCP and that's where Anthony belongs. VR need Axl Rose

would you have liked FTP better if axl sang it since slash brought that from the GnR days?

I agree about Keidis;
as for Rose, only if they deusche dave and matt and get izzy and steve back

Fall to pieces and Slither are awesome! and basically all of contraband!

"Slither" was and still is a monster, easily my favorite post AFD song from anyone who was involved in the making of that record.

That said, the thought of Kiedis singing it makes me queasy...

I like Slash and Duff alot but VR did nothing for me.. I tried to like it but got bored of it real fast. They sounded pretty modern which I didn't expect at all, songs like Superhuman and such with the Drop D tuning, nah..

I remember when 'Set Me Free' first leaked, it was the mix by that other guy Mike R-something and I liked it alot.. song was good production aswell. But on Contraband it just sounds bad. At the time they said the the mixing of Set Me Free with that guy was a pain in the ass and they didn't like the result much, but my guess is that it sounded to classic rock / GN'R like (for Scott ;) )

I don't expect much from VR anymore, but Duff's Loaded sounds really great (what I expected from VR in the first place) and Slash's solo album I think will rock too.. cause there he'll play more out of the box. If you look at Snakepit, much more creative riffs and solos going on and also song structures.

EDIT: This one.. http://www.velvet-revolver.com/discography/sia/set_me_free_hulk_mix.php

^^ since scott left, it would seem he was the reason VR failed to live up to many's expectations -

while travis meeks was auditioning, he said this of the material slash, izzy, duff, and matt were working on

Meeks announcement stated "This is the best rock music I have heard since 'Appetite for Destruction. Guns 'n' Roses and Days Of The New fans will not be disappointed. They will be ecstatic! The new material has that vintage GNR feel that millions craved and loved in the late Eighties and early Nineties".

I think the Peppers are getting back together this fall to start recording anyways.
get Steven Tyler!

That would be a pretty damn good match up I reckon, and it would make VR go in a heavier direction too! :beer:

i didnt think slash was much of a metal fan?

He isn't very much into metal for the things he does.

But he's definitly a metalfan! He likes bands like megadeth, anthrax & metallica a lot. And that's metal? Right?

Thrash metal!

yes, so it's metal.. ::)

yep! just the bands listed are all a certain type of metal.  :)

Horrible idea. Keidis wouldn't be able to handle the vocals.