Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i just have to say it... the guys in the band right now make this the single greatest gnr lineup ever.  period.  end of story.  as much as i love finck, his time has passed.  dj ashba is going to blow the doors off this mutha.  mark my word.

here's what's so amazing... every time gnr invites a new member into the family, i always think they've managed to take a perfect band and make it even more perfect.  and somehow, they just keep doing it.  even when you think they couldn't possibly top themselves.  this band truly does get better with age. 

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE CHINESE DEMOCRACY WORLD TOUR!  IT'S TIME TO SHOW THE WORLD WHAT GNR IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!

if we judge DJ for his work with beatiful creatures, this might be the most exciting gnr tour. the guy brings the house down and his stage presence was insane as well.

::) A lineup that hasn't played a single note together live or on record is the greatest GNR lineup ever. OK  ::)

I'm very happy with DJ Ashba as new guitarist, but IMHO the best lineup EVER was the one who rocked Hong Kong in 2002

But we have to remain cautious though because I really wonder how some of the ChiDem songs will song once performed live.
Some of them are incredibly hard to sing. I know that it's Axl we're dealing with but songs like Scraped ( because of the multiple vocal layers ) will probably sound different
than how they do on the album. Also, I can't picture Axl singing that If the World - extremely hard - chorus correctly if he has the slightest problem with his voice.
I mean he has had some problems with Better during the 2006-2007 and that's nowhere near the hardest song on ChiDem.

A lineup that hasn't played a single note together live or on record is the greatest GNR lineup ever. OK

Thats what i thought!

When you're the biggest band in the world and selling millions of albums, then you can be compared to previous versions.
This should really go to Dead Horse.

haters tried to ruin the fun again.  haters FAIL.  AGAIN!

Haters aren't trying to ruin your fun. Some of us just don't say that this is the greatest flavor of Kool Aid ever without taking a sip first....no matter who is serving it.

::) A lineup that hasn't played a single note together live or on record is the greatest GNR lineup ever. OK  ::)

but if the guy serving the kool aid was an EXPERT on kook aid, and had made the best kool aid in history every time he ever tried to make kool aid, why wouldn't you believe in his ability to do it again?

open your mind!  just let yourself relax and love gnr. 

get on board or kindly FUCK OFF!!!

I have to respectfully disagree with the best lineup statement. No offense to any of the individuals as musicians ( I am a musician myself), But the Appetite lineup has all of them beat. The appetite lineup produced the best and classic album ( Appetite for destruction) and had in my oppinion the best song on the illusion albums ( Civil War). That band had great chemistry. In a band that is something that can't be created. I feel that Axl tried to create a feeling of chemistry on Chinese Democracy. Too many players on the album gave it a overproduced feel. Not saying that its a bad album but chemistry is something that you just have. 

jesus christ.  don't you guys ever get tired of it?  we're trying to have a discussion about how awesome the new line-up is, and guys like you just can't give the 'old-band-afd' business a rest.  

pretty please?  with sugar on top?  maybe for one day can we just celebrate gnr without having to hop on the bitterness express train back to 1986?

Blame it on the falungong!!

they seen the end and you can't hold on now! :headbanger:

hehe I love cd better than any other album.
overproduction my ass. there surely is chemistry.

anyhoo go on.
I have my popcorn ready.

Maybe Axl doesn't make records for you.





/jarmo

All this "he should've", "he should" bullshit is irrelevant at the end of the day.

An artist should make the kind of albums he/she wants. It's about integrity and being true to your own vision instead of trying to please others.

I agree with you 100% on this. As an artist I would never put anything out that I didnt believe in 100%. That's a huge part of yourself that you are putting out there for the world to see.


You either get it or you don't.

All this overproduced bullshit is funny.

Some bands/artists get hailed for their awesome production with "layers" and what not. Others get accused of overproduction because the album doesn't sound like some shitty garage tape.

My point and OPINION about the production was that too many people playing on a song rob it of an organic feel. You tour and play with a lineup and create a certain chemistry and magic that you can only hope to reproduce in the studio. When you have too many players who were or werent in the lineup anymore playing it robs the song of that. I think the songs are good. Some of them were even better on the leaks when they were in there rawer state. You can do that without having a shitty garage tape sound.



The album is the results of a bunch of people collaborating. This is nothing new for GN'R. Go look in your old albums, you'll find names of people there that weren't in the band at the time of release.

Again I agree. But when you have too many musicians who are no longer in the band on the album you rob the new players of a chance to shine. in my OPINION the new band shouldve rerecorded all of the previous players parts.  When you say names of people that werent in the band im assuming your referring to teddy zig zag, shannon hoon etc. They were never presented as part of Guns. Buckethead is even though he hasnt been a member for a long time.





/jarmo

Speking of guys that aren't in the band, how sweet is it that there is a song in the peipeline Down By The River? I think that was written by/with Izzy!

My point and OPINION about the production was that too many people playing on a song rob it of an organic feel. You tour and play with a lineup and create a certain chemistry and magic that you can only hope to reproduce in the studio. When you have too many players who were or werent in the lineup anymore playing it robs the song of that.

Nice theory. That probably only works if you record an album live in the studio with the band just playing everything right there.

Otherwise you have a guitar player listening to the other tracks and putting his mark on the recording that way.

I don't think the rest of the band were playing along to the song while Brain was laying down his drum tracks to re-create that chemistry.....



On the other hand playing together live will definitely make a band sound better as the tour progresses and helps create a band vibe.





I think you're just grasping at straws to find something to complain about because the album isn't Appetite For Destruction.




/jarmo

So you think they should've played all the songs on the album live in 2006-7 and then recorded them?

Is that your recipe for a great album?rial




 
/jarmo

Ok, I see.

But in order to achieve what you're describing, several guitar parts would've been removed. Because the person isn't in the band anymore.

Now, if that had happened, the album would obviously be different and it's only possible to speculate about its qualities compared to the actual released album.



/jarmo

How is there chemistry if this new lineup hasnt played a single gig yet?

yeah like when you discovered the band. you weren't 20 ~ 30 something were you then?

Threads like this make me think that some 13 year old just discovered this band or something

There is no excuse for not knowing the history of your favorite band

There is no excuse for not knowing the history of your favorite band

still, anyone calling this the best gnr lineup are out of their minds.

and that's why I think this thread is useless at the point of date.

1) we might know ashba's work.
2) we haven't heard him play yet.
3) the band hasn't toured.

so how do youknow this is the best line-up

as for me.. I would put the 02 line up with the 06 Axl.
that would've been an awsome one!

1)  well, if we have seen an artist's work, i think it's pretty fair to say we have an idea of his talents.
2)  maybe YOU haven't heard him play yet
3)  this band has toured plenty of times.  not all together 100 percent yet, but we still have more then enough to judge how awesome they are.  the teams for all-star games don't play together until the game, but i think it's pretty easy to tell they're the best of the best.

but none of that really matters.  here's how we know they're the greatest line-up... because they're the ones axl chose!  what more could you possibly need to know?  if they weren't the best band, he would have picked whoever would have made the best band.  i have a feeling if you asked anyone in the band they'd tell you the same thing... this is the best line up yet.

1)  well, if we have seen an artist's work, i think it's pretty fair to say we have an idea of his talents.
2)  maybe YOU haven't heard him play yet
3)  this band has toured plenty of times.  not all together 100 percent yet, but we still have more then enough to judge how awesome they are.  the teams for all-star games don't play together until the game, but i think it's pretty easy to tell they're the best of the best.

You cant just plug in pieces and expect it to work. Either you have it ( chemistry) or you dont.

And heres some food for thought. What if when they went back for rehearsals the chemistry wasn't there? Im not saying thats what happened but its possible. Look, as a person who plays in a band I can tell you this: when you replace any member the dynamics change. You cant just plug in pieces and expect it to work. Either you have it ( chemistry) or you dont.

1)  well, if we have seen an artist's work, i think it's pretty fair to say we have an idea of his talents.
2)  maybe YOU haven't heard him play yet
3)  this band has toured plenty of times.  not all together 100 percent yet, but we still have more then enough to judge how awesome they are.  the teams for all-star games don't play together until the game, but i think it's pretty easy to tell they're the best of the best.

but none of that really matters.  here's how we know they're the greatest line-up... because they're the ones axl chose!  what more could you possibly need to know?  if they weren't the best band, he would have picked whoever would have made the best band.  i have a feeling if you asked anyone in the band they'd tell you the same thing... this is the best line up yet.

There's no FACT in personal opinions about band members or line-ups.

Who said it was fact? Believe it or not, I think most of us are able to decipher fact from one's opinion.

It's funny how you only seem to point this "fact" out when someone disagrees that every single song on this album was the holy grail. Or that Robin isn't much better than average.   :smoking:

It is a FACT that this isn't the best GNR lineup

shit like this, there is no such thing as your opinion.

Thats like saying 2009 Chicago Bulls are the greatest bulls lineup ever.


NO

U can say this is my "FAVORITE"
but u can't say the best.

You certanly doesn't fit in that descripti
And D said it was a fact. He even said it again.

Funny is how you doesn't like the new band and still you care so much about what they do or not.

And who the fuck said that every single on this album was the holy grail? And what the fuck Robin has to do with this thread?

Of course you can. One thing you CAN'T is to compare games with the band. There's no championship to prove anything. There's no win.

Amazing how some of the same people are all offended when others voice their OPINIONS on how they like better new people than the old guys. Same people, always. Funny is how they are all defensive when Jarmo says how this is not the old band section and act like "it's only a matter of opinion".

And, AGAIN, I don't agree with falungong. I just think he's entitled to his opinion.

Ok, but he's stating how the AFD line-up is the best EVER and nobody can say otherwise. Remember, there's only Robin missing in this actual line-up from 2006/07 era.

Common, We ALL know the appetite era line up was the best.

no.

say there'd be 2 gigs tomorrow, one by GNR of 87, and the other GNR of today, I'd go see the latter. No waver.

I hear RS  had lots of hit songs in the 70s. so did US in the 80s. not now altho the lineups  are the same.
Does that mean those bands were better then?

Ok, but he's stating how the AFD line-up is the best EVER and nobody can say otherwise.

say there'd be 2 gigs tomorrow, one by GNR of 87, and the other GNR of today, I'd go see the latter. No waver.

this has nothing to do with old vs new

this has to do with HISTORY

Robin was a big part of that lineup. None of us have heard them play a single note without him and with Ashba. So its a little premature to say that this is the best lienup until we hear them play.

Didnt you say a few posts ago that falungong69 was entitled to his opinion? By that logic isnt D entitled to his?

this has nothing to do with old vs new

this has to do with HISTORY

and when u examine history it is a FACT that the Appetite or even the UYI lineup is the best

but when u are throwing out words like greatest and best, u gotta have factual statistics to back that stuff up.

You're more than entitled to say otherwise.

Unfortunately, D's "opinion" is one that is very, very commonly shared by the masses. We're talking about a band that defined a generation and wrote some of rock n rolls most memorable anthems EVER.

The new lineup(s), at best, have a small internet cult following, and an album that disappeared from the charts after only 4 months.

So, can you say this is better? Sure. You can say it. But don't be surprised when the majority call bullshit on the matter.

Well, fortunately for you, you wouldn't be in the group of fans who would have to worry about camping out overnight for tickets. 

It just seems like some of you like to use threads such as this, where somebody presents their opinion on how they think something current is great, as a way to point out that nothing has been great since the 90s.

I am saying this band hasn't done anything to BEAT the AFD lineup

I am saying this band hasn't done anything to BEAT the AFD lineup
they haven't even toured yet
how can something be better, when they haven't done anything.

Well, I have never seen Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher in the same F1 team, but if they were together, they would be better and they surely would obtain better results than current Force India F1 Team, and I dont need to see anything to be sure about that. In this particular case (for the record, I have said that my favourite lineup in terms of greatness was the one who played in Hong Kong in 2002), I dont need to see Ashba playing in Guns to be absolutely sure that this current lineup is better than AFD's, because I have seen 7/8 of the musicians of the current GNR lineup and I have seen DJ Ashba in other circumstances, and I know he's a very skilled player, probably even more technical than Robin (I have to see how good is him scenicallly speaking), and I dont need any more information.

Oh, and without counting ChiDem, GNR has already done something to beat AFD: ''Use Your Illusion i & II'', by Geffen Records.

no.

say there'd be 2 gigs tomorrow, one by GNR of 87, and the other GNR of today, I'd go see the latter. No waver.

I hear RS  had lots of hit songs in the 70s. so did US in the 80s. not now altho the lineups  are the same.
Does that mean those bands were better then?

I think certain things sometime get lost in translation.

Maybe to some people "favorite" and "best" mean the same thing, I don't know.

Here is a point that I would like to make. Over the weekend, I went to the bank to pay my bills. I was wearing the old GNR bullet logo T-shirt. The bank teller is in her mid 20s. She asked me what do I think of the new Guns N' Roses album. I said it was a  great Axl Rose solo effort, but it isn't GNR. She said you are right. She said AFD was one of the greatest albums she has ever listened to. She wished she could see those guys that made that album. Point being that was the best lineup, which will be remembered. People will not remember this lineup as a result of the constant changes going on. The current lineup is good, but you really don't sense that chemistry between them. This is what made GNR from good to great! It was a sense of brotherhood that you got from the band.

I think certain things sometime get lost in translation.

Maybe to some people "favorite" and "best" mean the same thing, I don't know.

It comes back to sports:

I can say this year's LA Lakers are my Favorite Lakers team of all time.

But If I said, this year's Lakers team is the best Laker team ever I'd be bombarded with thousands of posts as to why I am wrong.

Same with this:

people somehow got into this all or nothing GNR mentality where to love the new band, u have to hate everything old. U have to hate Slash, u have to hate everything and I just find that to be ridiculous.


Ask yourself this question:

GNR of Appetite and UYI are Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, one of the 5 to 10 greatest rock bands ever


Now Take away all the old bands music and accomplishments.

Start fresh with today's band and their accomplishments.


I don't know why this is so hard for people to admit.

saying the AFD/UYI lineup has been the best doesn't mean the new sucks, it is just acknowledging all the amazing, groundbreaking things this band has accomplished.

No Voodoo popularity isn't the only thing but when the music is amazing and popular, that is a double edged sword that can't be denied.

U do realize that 85 percent of that setlist was written by the AFD/UYI lineup right?

So, you do realize that 87% of the 2007 lineup are what falungong is talking about, right?

U do realize that 85 percent of that setlist was written by the AFD/UYI lineup right?

05.12.06 - Hammerstein Ballroom, New York, NY
opening acts: Shakerleg, Bullet For My Valentine
attendance: 3,800 +/-
set: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Better, Live And Let Die, Guitar Solo [Robin], Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Madagascar, You Could Be Mine, Piano Solo [Dizzy], The Blues, Out Ta Get Me, Guitar Solo [Bumblefoot], November Rain, My Michelle [w/ Sebastian Bach], Chinese Democracy, There Was A Time, Patience, Guitar Solo [Bumblefoot], I.R.S., Nightrain
encore: Guitar Solo [Robin], Paradise City

For me it would be like someone saying Queen with Paul Rodgers is better than Queen

Its not a big deal though, I just don't get why people can think someone playing a song someone else WROTE makes them better than the person who wrote it.

LOL@counting instrumental jams as songs to try and support an argument. :hihi:

But this is not GNR's case. Buckethead, Richard, Robin, DJ Ashba and Bumblefoot are the 5 of them more skilled and talented guitarists than Slash is (BH, Richard and Ron by faaaaaar away, complete different leagues),

that is still debatable.

Even if all those players are technically more gifted than Slash, in his prime, one could argue that Slash was far more inspired and played with more passion than all of them.
Not to say I dont adore what the new guys did on chidem. I truely love Buckethead's solo on Twat to death.

But Slash in his prime is untouchable for me, and its got nothing to do with looks. I wouldn't want a reunion. Cause I think Slash is no longer the same guitarist he was 20 years ago.

Estebanf, your point is irrelevant because GNR were never technical virtuosos to begin with. Who cares if Finck and BBF are "better" than Slash, what have they written that is as timeless as SCOM? I'll Wait.
If I wanted guys who could jack off with their instruments,I'd listen to Dream Theater.

 Who cares if Finck and BBF are "better" than Slash, what have they written that is as timeless as SCOM? I'll Wait.
If I wanted guys who could jack off with their instruments,I'd listen to Dream Theater.

But this is not GNR's case. Buckethead, Richard, Robin, DJ Ashba and Bumblefoot are the 5 of them more skilled and talented guitarists than Slash is (BH, Richard and Ron by faaaaaar away, complete different leagues),

Axl & Slash are like 2 peas in a pod in terms of their talent. You could consider Axl the Slash of singers, and Slash the Axl of guitarists.

Cracks me up people trying too hard to discredit the new songs and members.

If There Was A Time, Better and Street of Dreams (which, BTW, we've been listening to since 2001) aren't timeless, I don't know what else is. Maybe because they don't have a video and it's not the most requested song on TRL. :hihi:

It's baseless. No one is denying all the previous work. I love the old tunes, I trully do. It's just that Ive been listening to some of the new songs for longer than six months already and I still can't get tired of them. And I know a lot of people who do the same. This is our opinion, it's what we like more.

So, it's only logical to support the new band. I don't care about being as popular and I don't think Axl cares that much either. It's only fair to judge the music, not their charts. So, it's all a matter of opinion, nothing more. There's no facts, it's only choices.

No, it's not.


It's just that some people feel like now = best.

Like, everything up until now was great, but right now is still the best.


It's like, you can sit and think about how something that happened to you 20 years ago was the best thing ever, but if something similar happened to you now, you'd think it was awesome.

Because you're living it right now.

For some, the fact that it's a current event automatically makes it the best thing.

On the other hand, some prefer the past and everything that has happened before right now is the best for them. That kind of people would still be like "oh, it was great but not like 20 years ago".


Another analogy. Some think their college years were the best, others think today is the best days of their lives.



That's the difference.



/jarmo

Even if all those players are technically more gifted than Slash, in his prime, one could argue that Slash was far more inspired and played with more passion than all of them.

Estebanf, your point is irrelevant because GNR were never technical virtuosos to begin with.

Who cares if Finck and BBF are "better" than Slash, what have they written that is as timeless as SCOM?

I'll Wait.
If I wanted guys who could jack off with their instruments,I'd listen to Dream Theater.

I don't understand the logic that superior technique makes one better for a given situation.

But Jarmo,

You have to admit that you can't call the new lineup the best without having heard a peep out of them? Its kind of insulting to the other lineups.

It's a personal preference thing.

As I said, I don't find it insulting if somebody thinks what we have now is the best.


It seems like among certain GN'R fans it's ok to look back. To live in the present is frowned upon.





/jarmo

It's a personal preference thing.

As I said, I don't find it insulting if somebody thinks what we have now is the best.


It seems like among certain GN'R fans it's ok to look back. To live in the present is frowned upon.





/jarmo

Would you feel more comfortable if everyone here places a disclaimer beneath their posts that states "This is only my opinion"?  :hihi:

I can't help but to notice the only time you have an issue with one's "opinion" is when it's not the same one that you share. As soon as this happens, the "that's not a fact" rhetoric begins.

The definiton of timeless is 'Having no end; interminable; unending'. I suppose anyone could argue that any song ever written is timeless if they truly enjoy it. But it's hard to argue that a song such as 'Better' is timeless when it's only been commercially available now for 6 months, did nothing on the charts, and has drawn no real mainstream demand. For you, it may be timeless. For the vast majority, that probably isn't the case.

Surely you can see that people are going to look at you funny when you try and clump 'Better' or 'SOD' in with highly recognized and popular songs like 'WTTJ' and 'SCOM'. It has nothing to do with putting down the band or the songs, it's simply about being logical.

I think 'TWAT' is a great song. I'd like to think I'll believe the same in 10 years. But if I were to go around and tell people that I think the song is "timeless", and grouping it into some well known classics, I can see where that might trigger a 'WTF' expression from somebody.

How its is "only my opinion" to say nobody can disagree with you??

Or to state one thing is better than other judging by its sales and when I put some lame artist like Britney, it all goes to quality?

Didn't I said several times that I don't agree with falungong69? Tell me about rethoric.

Your definition on "timeless" is "popular". Mine is one thing you can listen to years after and still think it's good.

I listen to Riad, Chinese, SOD and Madagascar for 8 years now. I still enjoy listening to them. And I think they are all timeless for this, not because it should be on charts and what people think of it. I could care less what the majority would tell me, I don't need them to make my own taste.

You keep blabbing about what majority thinks. Again: if I had this point of view, I'm sure I wouldn't be here discussing this. Id rather go to mygnr.com and whine about the album or demanding a reunion.

I havent heard anyone whine about the album or demand a reunion in this thread.

I'm sorry but any line up that doesn't include Izzy in it simply cannot be the best ever. 

The popular arguement is the Slash vs Axl thing.  To me it's irrelevant because Izzy was the glue that held the band together and when he left GnR died.

That's the beauty of it, he didn't need all of that bullshit to make great music. 

as long as its available for all next generations every kind of music is timeless!
but are there really "hit songs" on cd making the majority of people/crowds going crazy like the SCOM beginning riff? time will tell and everybody's entitled to her/his opinion. i just cant see songs on cd fitting this category of all-time-classics some of the old band songs have. i'm not saying it was the intention of Axl to create such songs, i actually find a lot of seperate parts good/very good, just no overall crowd pleaser like jungle on there. and i highly doubt songs like Shacklers, Rhiad or Scraped will ever turn into such! in my eyes cd lacks some real good hard rock song. but back to topic i have trouble labeling a line-up as its best when you havent heard or seen them play together!

well, i'm sure izzy will be invited to do some guest appearances.  but let's be honest, the current gnr guitarists can play circles around izzy stradlin.  if you need someone to strum a few chords, izzy's your man.  but can he do finger-tapping?  no.  can he do sweeps?  no.  can he use a kill-switch?  no.  he simply doesn't have the chops to play 99% of the music on chinese democracy.  he just isn't good enough of a guitar player.

LOL@ you trying to discredit Izzy. Who the fuck cares if he can't finger tap? Not the fucking audience rocking out to his songs when GNR plays live, I don't know if you know this but along with Axl,Izzy is the most important songwriter in GNR history. A ton of GNR fans got very excited when Axl mentioned an Izzy song (Down By The River?) when discussing upcoming Guns songs.

On past tours a ton of Izzy material was played live and will continue. This is what the 3rd or 4th ChiDem Tour? They aren't gonna drop all those old songs. If you think the majority of 10,000 fans a night wanna hear ChiDem songs over AFD/LIES/UYI then you got another thing coming. We the hardcore fans on this Forum love the album but we don't represent the 10,000 people at GNR shows in the US.

it's amazing that there are so many psychics on this board.  they seem to know everything about what songs will be popular in 20 years and what songs 'fans' want to hear.  wow... it's kind of a shame that you have these amazing psychic gifts, but only choose to use them on the gnr fan board.  why aren't you guys out solving crimes or finding jimmy hoffa? 

bbf said in his recent interview that they can't wait to get out there and play the new songs from chinese democracy.  kinda shoots some holes in your psychic theory that they won't be playing the new stuff.  sorry, soothe-sayer, but i think i'm going to trust bumblefoot over you when it comes to what songs gnr's been rehearsing for the tour.

since the band members seem to think they'll be playing the new songs, it stands to reason that they'd want musicians in the band who are capable of actually playing that music.  i'm positive that any current member of gnr could play anything izzy ever wrote.  but is the reverse true?  will your slavish fanboy dedication to the mullet years allow you to answer truthfully?

Once again...the namecalling....are you incapable of having an inteligent discussion without namecalling?

I'm supposed to be the one who doesn't acknowledge that people have different opinions....

And here we have a bunch of people saying that nobody can think the current band is the best because they haven't played a show.

Ironic.....







/jarmo

how telling that 'name calling' is the only response you have.  i'll consider that to be your attempt at waving a white flag without losing face.  surrender accepted.

How is this surrendering Falungong? Seriously are you incapable of making valid arguments without namecalling? Mulletheads? Slavish fanboys? Your allowed to have your opinion regarding who you think is a better guitar player etc. but when you start namecalling you ruin your point.

oh, boo hoo.  since when did fans of the world's most dangerous rock band get so sensitive? 

okay, okay... i'm sorry i made a joke about people from the 80's having mullets.  i'm also very sorry that i implied that people with slash avitars on a gnr fanboard might be fanboys.  heavens to betsy, i'd hate to imply anything so scandalous! 

now that the apologies are over, maybe you can get back to addressing the many points i made.... specifically, how can you expect the band to play new songs with izzy stradlin if izzy doesn't have the technical chops to play those songs?  i know you're all praying to the reunion gods, but that just defies logic.  it's like van halen trying to tour with kurt cobain on lead guitar.  he simply couldn't play the parts.  it doesn't make logical sense. 

well, i'm sure izzy will be invited to do some guest appearances.  but let's be honest, the current gnr guitarists can play circles around izzy stradlin.  if you need someone to strum a few chords, izzy's your man.  but can he do finger-tapping?  no.  can he do sweeps?  no.  can he use a kill-switch?  no.  he simply doesn't have the chops to play 99% of the music on chinese democracy.  he just isn't good enough of a guitar player.

I don't care how FAST or technical u can play. last I checked, music was about what u create

and what kind of impact you have on the world.

Izzy, a person and musician I love, has never made anything worthy since he left the band

what a load of bullshit... now Chinese Democracy, Electric Tears, Colma, Village Gorilla Head are ''circus tricks''... that happens when you haven't listened a damn shit except for ''rock and roll dude'' Appetite For Destruction. None of the old members of this band (that is just one band, one [1]) have ever made an album of the greatness of the worst Buckethead album, not even closer to ''Village Gorilla head'' or even Chris Pitman's Sex Tape. Izzy, a person and musician I love, has never made anything worthy since he left the band, and now he's ''classic'' and the new guys are ''circus tricks''. what a nonsense...


If you really think Buckethead is only a ''fast player'', there is no other option: you have NEVER listened to anything ever made by Buckethead. What is really curious is you already have proofs of how talented and soulful he is in one GNR album, so you dont really need to check his solo stuff.

Its simple: some people wont ever understand that a musician CAN be technical, can play with feeling and can create good music all at the same time.

Buckethead is a genius technically. And he also created 26 studio albums. Oh, and without Axl.


Do you really think the ''impact'' matters to judge the quality of the music?

Well, you might be the kind of guy who would choose a Jonas Brothers album rather than a Paul Gilbert one, simply because the JB can sellout stadiums and Gilbert does shows for 400 people. Good for you. You need to know there are millions of people out there who listen the same music than you, you need others to justify your conduct. Clearly not my case though.

It gets difficult to keep up when people choose to fabricate fairy tales about what they think is being suggested as opposed to what one's post actually states.

In this guy's case, if you don't think Robin's playing is "timeless"(which it's not), it's interpreted to mean that you hate the new band and album.

I havent heard anyone whine about the album or demand a reunion in this thread.

Yes, I have no doubt that Izzy could do what Fortus does for the band.  Afterall, it seems that Fortus and Huge were trying their damnedest to be Izzy.  Can Izzy solo like BBF or Bucket, probably not but he could do Robin's stuff too.

So voodoo it is ok for u and others to discredit the old band but we can't discredit the new band?

I am about what u produce and what u accomplish.

Face it, the new band so far hasn't came close to accomplishing what the old band has therefore they can't be the best lineup.

That is really fucking weird to me, first voodoo compares them to Britney and now u are comparing them to Jonas?

Are u a fan of Guns N Roses? Cause u are dissing Axl with that bullshit also

what a load of bullshit... now Chinese Democracy, Electric Tears, Colma, Village Gorilla Head are ''circus tricks''... that happens when you haven't listened a damn shit except for ''rock and roll dude'' Appetite For Destruction. None of the old members of this band (that is just one band, one [1]) have ever made an album of the greatness of the worst Buckethead album, not even closer to ''Village Gorilla head'' or even Chris Pitman's Sex Tape. Izzy, a person and musician I love, has never made anything worthy since he left the band, and now he's ''classic'' and the new guys are ''circus tricks''. what a nonsense...

You know with all the fan fare that is going on with ex-members of G&R I wouldn't be surprised within the next ten years the original G&R will do a reunion tour. Think about it. Almost every original group who some members had left or the group broke up for whatever reasons have formed back together. Even the original Pink Floyd got together for one day to do some type of benefit.  :hihi:

Lots of people think otherwise :yes: Actually if you look at the basis of lots of Izzy songs you'll find them not different from lots of GN'R songs (pre-CD).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04pBe4_uEuI

Maybe 'Sweet Caress' will change your mind :P

well, I wouldnt want to go see the GNR lineup of 87 in 2009. There no question about it I would rather see the present incarnation. No waver.
But if I had the possibility to go back in time and see Guns n roses in 1987.
I would rather see them and not 2009 GNR, in 2009 :P

Well, fortunately for you, you wouldn't be in the group of fans who would have to worry about camping out overnight for tickets. 

I havent heard anyone whine about the album or demand a reunion in this thread.

Man, you're high.  You have to be to say the bullshit you just said.  The first Izzy solo album is heads above anything the new guys have done outside of GnR.  I've tried BH's stuff but most of it is just noodling and rambling guitar instrumentals that go nowhere.

It's obvious that you have not listened without prejudice.

^ Try Village Gorilla Head. To me, it's light years ahead of any Izzy album.

Oh really? And what about your perpection of what a virtuoso is? You said once how Bumblefoot is not a virtuoso, which clearly show how you have no clue what you're talking about.

Also nice to see you avoiding arguments with sarcasm shit. Nice try.

Esteban already pointed out, but you seem to like to bring the other thread to this. Really, taking cheap shots doesn't help your trolling.

You really should re-read what has been saying in this thread. You know, they don't have to put so litteral to do such a thing. There's some people who's been ALWAYS complaining about the current band, ALWAYS bringing the old members to EVERY SINGLE THREAD. You don't have to look much for find them.

Wow, what a load of bullshit.

Fortus and Huge are trying to be Izzy? WTF?

And Izzy could play Robin's stuff? Really? ::)

Did I say that? Where?

All I'm saying is: there's no FACT in anyone opinion. You just CAN'T say AFD is better for a fact, because you're judging it by its popularity and in a whole different scenario.

Hence why I brought Britney and esteban Jonas Brothers. Because you care TOO MUCH about what they achieve in sales and hits. It's called logic.

Nice try to twist it.

Use some logic in there.

You say what matters is hits and albums sold. We say what matters is quality - which is personal opinion. Do the math. Or do I need to draw it?

now, honestly, what have you heard from the solo careers of the new guys? Have you ever heard at least ONE (1) track from each of them?

That ''i've tried BH's stuff and [,,,]'', in the best of the cases, sounds to me like you have downloaded 4 or 5 random mp3 from emule...and that's it.

I thought the name of the topic was best lineup ever? So we're not allowed to include any of the old lineups in this discussion without you accusing us of wanting a reunion? Cmon.

OK maybe not the Robin stuff.  But what does Fortus add that Izzy hasn't done already?  Izzy was Axl's Keith.

Last I checked, fortus contributed absolutely nothing to CD

so for anyone to include him in guitar debate for me is just premature.

until someone invents a time machine

look, it's not 'dissing' Izzy to say that he lacks the technical skills to play the songs from chinese democracy.  it's being honest.  if your old-band-new-band insecurities are so great that you can't acknowledge this simple truth, then i feel sorry for you.

do you guys honestly think that axl and the new band would work so hard at creating this new music only to give up on it without it ever being played?  to hire an all-new band of older musicians who couldn't play the songs even if they wanted to?  hate to burst your bubble.  until someone invents a time machine or izzy stradlin starts taking shred lessons, your dream of izzy performing chinese demcoracy is just that... a dream. 

time machine wouldn't help.

How does he lack the technical skills to plug in and play rhythm guitar?  

Most of the guys that created CD are gone.  I saw Robin with NIN the other night and he looked quite at home with Trent.

^ Try Village Gorilla Head. To me, it's light years ahead of any Izzy album.

Oh really? And what about your perpection of what a virtuoso is? You said once how Bumblefoot is not a virtuoso, which clearly show how you have no clue what you're talking about.
Also nice to see you avoiding arguments with sarcasm shit. Nice try.

Esteban already pointed out, but you seem to like to bring the other thread to this. Really, taking cheap shots doesn't help your trolling.

GOD you are so fucking dense.  

Some of us are actually big enough fans that we attended the shows and people may have come to like Fortus from those experiences.  Ever think of that?   You have such a narrow world view, cut the fuckin mullet.

you have to be one of the stupidest fucking posters in the history of messageboards.

Fortus has contributed NOTHING to GNR's success. He stands onstage and plays a bunch of stuff written by other musicians.