Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This was wrote by Bumblefoot at facebook.

This post just might make Jarmo's brain explode lol.  To delete or not to delete...News that concerns both current and former members...Cannot compute!  :no:

I swear, if this doesnt qualify as news and f*cking Pisser dates do, then I dont know what to tell you.

Anyway, this is some of the funnest and hopeful news I've heard in a while. I wonder what the Ron/Duff connection is.  Either way, I sure hope it comes into fruition!!  : ok:

Mabye this is a way for bumblefoot to rehearse for the gnr tour?  :hihi:  :peace:

It's just great if it happens! : ok:

This is great, although the best would be to see Richard Fortus on Slash's solo album and playing with him onstage. This would be the greatest Guitar Duet of our area, the 2 best guitarists in the world  8)

4tus phenomenon... ;D

But yeah that's cool and kinda unexpected :) I think it's quite cool that Ron Thal jumps on every occasion to talk or to promote GnR. That's what we need : involvement ! ( even though I think he probably does it because he personally knows Duff and wants to check the band and I hope he won't get stuff thrown at him from the audience if there are too many hardcore fans of the old line up there lol )

EDIT : on a second thought, I believe he just wants to see the show and maybe jam...not to see the show AND appear as the GnR guest...

Oh and as far as the Duff/BBF connection goes : I've read that Bumblefoot knows him and attended his wedding

That'd be pretty fucking awesome.  Although, all we know for sure right now is that he'll be watching the show.

josh and slash.  now Ron and Duff.

i wonder how Axl feels about this?

Josh plays with everyone as he is the most in-demand session drummer in the world.  And Axl doesn't seem to have much of a problem with Duff.  So why should it bother him?

i just doubt it would make him happy.

Hope BBF shows up at the Thursday show on Long Island.......

IM doin both shows.

Good question.

Although I doubt he cares all that much. I've had colds that lasted longer than Josh's tenure in the band, and BBF has no real reason not to play with Duff. Axl hasn't even closed that door according to his Billboard interview.

It is somewhat odd though considering. I'm really curious as to what is going on behind the scenes at the moment. No promotion. No tour dates. Current and ex-bandmembers mingling together. If this wasn't GNR, I'd really be thinking that something may be on the horizon. Unfortunately, I do know better.  :hihi:

Maybe they'll announce one massive tour with ALL members from ALL era's! HAHA!

Just kidding!

The professional music business is a small world. People know eachother and are friends with eachother. It's not surprising in the least, and, why would Axl give a shit? He probably wouldn't even give it a second thought. It's cool that Ron is playing, but as far as what Axl is thinking, it's a non-issue.

ROFLCOPTER!!1!!! You're so funny!



There's no conspiracy.

Nothing GN'R related about it.

It's just a jam for fun.






/jarmo

I read it as he's seeing the show, invited or something and maybe bringing his guitar on the chance of using it there rather than he's supposed to assist the show.

yeah i saw Loaded at the NJ In store yesterday...put on a great show...got a shit ton of pics ill be posting in the Ex gunner section as soon as I get a chance...Ill be at the show in NYC tonight as well

it would seem some, if not most of the current members have a healthy amount of respect for for the alumni, with the obvious exception of axl's views on slash

yet to see that tommy interview?


lucky yous, please say hello to Ron on behalf of us.

Hmmm.....very interesting.  I could see him going to see the show but I wonder if the "guitar in hand" was just him joking around.   Anything's possible, but do you really think Duff would invite him up onstage to jam for a couple songs?  What are they going to do  - "It's so Easy" or "Mr. Brownstone"?  If for some reason it did happen, it would be very strange, indeed.  

 
altho not too surprising, that's new to me.

FYI

axl answering to Billboard.com

"I could see doing a song or so on the side with Izzy [Stradlin] or having him out [on tour] again. I'm not so comfortable with doing anything having more than one of the alumni. Maybe something with Duff [McKagan], but that's it, and not something I'd have to really get down into, as I'd get left with sorting it out and then blamed on top of it. So, no, not me."

axl answering to Del James

"It'd be highly doubtful for us to have more than one of the alumni up with us at any given time. I suppose Duff could play guitar on something somewhere, but there's zero possibility of me having anything to do with Slash other than by ambush, and that wouldn't be pretty. "

oooh that's great !

If u haven't seen or heard Loaded. DO IT!!!!!!! Fucking cool CD and they do great live


Definitely would love to see a boot of this.

Bumble joining them on ISE maybe?

Hopefully Duff passes his cell number along to BBF with the message "have Axl give me a call".  I'd love to see a collaboration happen between these 2 guys.

Interesting and it make sense. People who likes and cares on BBf and Duff music have something important in common. "Guns n' Roses".

/jarmo

that was 1 minute ago, you're damn fast  ;D

hope to see some YouTube vids tomorrow.

would love to hear their conversation

http://twitter.com/talkingmetal

bumble foot is onstage with Duff doing A killer medley
4 minutes ago from mobile web

Good on him. Would be fun to see them jamming together.

Outside of their involvement in GNR, all the guys are just musicians and there's no reason why they couldn't know each other from the same social circles, have met each other over the years or even be good friends.

Some people, maybe not here but in other forums, are reading too much into it.

Looks like they're done

http://twitter.com/bumblefoot

Ahh, that was fun... :)
3 minutes ago from mobile web

Well, so it did happen!  Look forward to any possible youtube videos.  I just searched for some, but none are there yet.   

I was there...got a good amount of pics...ill post them when i get a chance

Come on Bodhi

give us some detalis

what did they play?

According to someone on another forum, they did their I Wanna Be Your Dog medley (it usually includes Stone In Love, Tush, Living After Midnight, TNT and Purple Rain... but it appears that Purple Rain has been replaced by Wild Horses lately).

That's great! Loaded are a brilliant live band. Glad to see these guys playing together. There should be no reason why they shouldn't anyway. Axl doesn't like Slash anymore, that's it. I'm sure he couldn't care less who talks or works with him though. If I worked with Axl and he got the hump cos I played with an ex-member of GNR I'd tell him to go fuck himself but I know he wouldn't.

Back from seeing Duff, and Loaded. What a great fucking time. Here I am almost 40 yrs old, and I havent sweated and had so much fun at a concert, surrounded by likewise and others, in well since my last GNR show. BUt What he did was so awesome, and cool. Being in a mosh pit at the front of the stage, was so cool, again, Having DUff stagedive  on us at the end was even cool. But what struck me as the coolest was having ron thal , coming on and rocking so hard with him also. It kinda shows, the comradiere that can be found. I have vid Im just to tired now after talking for hrs on this. Those who were there, know how awesome it was. And I know quite a few and now have bumped around with a few more. BUt as far as GNR related , songs, were Dust N Bones, So Fine, Its so easy, Attitude. Wild Horses. I saw you Ron you saw me, that was great. I look forward to another cool show tomorrow night on LI.


OH hung out with a few members of band called, Midnight FistFight.. they have a myspace awesome guys, . Real .

Any official word on what Ron played on?

Courtesy of ShePoutsHerBest from another GN'R forum (mr.fuck.up from the Velvet Revolver forum posted them and didn't say which GN'R forum they're from).

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4885/loaded.jpg)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9879/loaded2.jpg)
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4241/loaded3.jpg)

Very cool to see guys from the old and new (like the Izzy thing in 06) getting along and doing what they love together.

very awesome indeed....... :beer: :beer:

Where's the show tonight?

Allentown, Pennsylvania.

cool

and then

priest stones journey piggy pop :hihi:

GUNS N' ROSES Guitarist BUMBLEFOOT Jams with DUFF MCKAGAN'S LOADED in NYC: Video Available - May 20, 2009

GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal joined DUFF MCKAGAN'S LOADED, the band led by former GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan, on stage last night (Tuesday, May 19) at the Blender Theater at Gramercy in New York City to perform a medley of classics from IGGY POP, JOURNEY, ZZ TO, JUDAS PRIEST, and more.

Video footage of the performance can be viewed below (courtesy of "Talking Metal").

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=120435

"I Wanna Be Your Dog" is by THE STOOGES, not iggy pop.  Other than that, way cool. 

I'm not sure but isn't it an iggy pop song when he was in stooges?

thanks funkymonkey as always but An error occurred  ??? I must try the vid again later.

Try it here and see if it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im_8hEps61E

The song is credited to The Stooges.

The songs in the medley were I Wanna Be Your Dog (The Stooges), Living After Midnight (Judas Priest), Tush (ZZ Top), TNT (AD/DC), Wild Horses (Rolling Stones) and Stone In Love (Journey).



/jarmo

ok so correctly it's a stooges song. they must have taken that talking metal's excited twitter too literally.

cheers funkymonkey I'm watchin it.

Kinda cool . . .  Ironic that he's played more shows with ex-gunners than he has with Guns since CD came out, but kinda cool none the less . . .

Thanks FunkyMonkey for the video.   Enjoyed it.  Great watch!

That was very cool.  They look like they are having fun...which was probably the whole point.  : ok:

Bumblefoot Joins Loaded Onstage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nb856g9-Vs


Bumblefoot w/Loaded Performing AC/DC's "T.N.T."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYUiFsU1df0


Bumblefoot w/Loaded Performing ZZ Top's "Tush"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPVC41v4cE

I'm sort of mixed over this. Not that there's anything wrong with current members playing with old members. But the old members constantly seem like they want a reunion. And Duff isn't as noble as he may sound. He said Axl sounded great and sings his ass off on CD, but he doesn't say anything else about the album, like the guitar playing is unbelievable or that the songs have a great vide, he doesnt mention the music just Axls voice which always sounds great.

He just mentioned in the above clip, how awesome Bumblefoot was, or what ever he said, certainly wouldn't be sharing a stage with him if he didn't like his guitar work.  I don't think any of the previous members have a whole lot to say, at least not to my knowlege, I believe Perla comented for Slash when he was asked. Duff was honest and positive in regards to hearing Axl's voice , but I believe he also said it was an album the origanal line up wouldn't have been able to do.

maybe he doesn't like it

U know, it isn't a crime for Duff or anyone else to not like the album.

I heard an interview where Duff said he loves some songs hates others

Well, Chinese Democracy is Axl's album. Obviously the new guys would never tell him "No, I don't want to play this song, I don't like it". You see? It's a question of decision and having the final say. Axl has the final say in the new band because he is the boss and the others probably can't say "no". But obviously with Slash and Duff the final say would have been collective. It would have been a full band's decision. If Slash and Duff didn't like "if the world" (wich is understable considering it has absolutely nothing to do with GN'R kind of music and Rock music), no matter what Axl would say, the song wouldn't make the record. The decision, the power and the Leadership would be much more equilibrated and shared. That's the difference between a funding members band where they are all equal and a band with one guy and session players around him who can't say "no" because if they did, they would lose their job. Anyway, cool to see BBF with Duff.

I hope Duff will come back in GN'R, it's his band. Axl is lonely, he has too much responsability and pressure on his shoulder. Guns N' Roses is too big for only him. In the old band the other guys were also famous and took some pressure off him.

I can see Duff not liking some songs on CD as they are very different. I heard Duff say that when he hears CD he doesn't hear "his Band"

So I guess for him he isn't listening to GNR he is hearing Axl sing.


which is understandable.

Your constant need to bring in Slash into topics that have nothing to do with him is becoming very boring.


Your theories are so wrong that I don't know which is funnier, that you actually think you know stuff or the fact that it's just bullshit.


Your hero didn't like Sweet Child O' Mine. He didn't want to do November Rain.

He wasn't involved with My World either and it was on Use Your Illusion II.



Now, logout and stay away until you have something new to say.

Next time you ruin a thread will be your last.



All this shit has nothing to do with Bumblefoot jamming with Loaded.


Edited to add: Your next post in this thread should only be about Bumblefoot jamming with Loaded in New York City, unless you want that post to be the last one you make here.  : ok:




/jarmo

is the word "Slash" representing the devil for you because Axl says so? are you married to Axl and to what he says?
Don't you have a brain to THINK by yourself and not through Axl by procuration?

Slash is no more my "hero" than Axl is, they are both, I'm not in war. I don't care of this feud, I don't do propaganda for any of them.

They are both as important. They are both Guns N' Roses. So is Duff. This is their band to ALL of them.

My brain told me: BANNED!


You were told to stop many times. But unlike many mammals, you don't learn from your mistakes.

It's like you keep pissing on the electric fence over and over again.



/jarmo

Chinese Democracy is GnR's album.   And yes the guys in the band did have their say in what went on the album.  Go back and read Axl's comments about This I Love and how he didn't want to do it, but the others pushed for the song to make the album.

I hope to never read another one of your posts, but unfortunately thats not going to happen.  Outside of a possible appearance with the band, he won't be rejoining as a full time member.   Tommy has been there for over 10 years working his ass off as the bassist in GnR.. show some fucking respect.  

Slash has JACK SHIT to do with anything GnR related since 1996.    

Yes, you do.  You spew propoganda about guys who haven't been involved in the band since the late 90s.   Classic troll.

Again, its not their band.  those guys haven't been in the picture since 1996.

Axl Rose, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Frank Ferrer, Brain, Ron Thal, and DJ Ashba.    Its THEIR band and nothing you can say or do will change that.

what a douchebag.


on topic, its kinda weird to see Ron and Duff playing together, but not in a bad way.

From Loaded's MySpace page...

Wednesday, May 20, 2009
   
New York F**king City!

We here in Loaded would like to thank EVERYBODY for coming out to the Gramercy Theatre last night! We are all still buzzing about it this morning. It was our first time playing in the city and it was everything we hoped it would be.
Super big thanks to Ron Thal for coming down last night and absolutely KILLING it! What an amazing player and even cooler dude.

Thank to everybody that is coming to these shows, we are all in this together! Whoooooo!

Duff, Jeff, Geoff and Mike

Currently listening:
Abnormal
By Bumblefoot
Release date: 2008-07-01

Wow!  That's quite nice of them, plugging Ron's solo disc.  I wonder how they became such good friends?

How you can say that is beyond me!

Fair play to Duff - such a nice guy.

There you can see a video

GUNS N' ROSES Guitarist BUMBLEFOOT Jams with DUFF MCKAGAN'S LOADED in NYC: Video Available - May 20, 2009

GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal joined DUFF MCKAGAN'S LOADED, the band led by former GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan, on stage last night (Tuesday, May 19) at the Blender Theater at Gramercy in New York City to perform a medley of classics from IGGY POP, JOURNEY, ZZ TO, JUDAS PRIEST, and more.

Video footage of the performance can be viewed below (courtesy of "Talking Metal").

"Sick", the new full-length album from DUFF MCKAGAN'S LOADED, sold around 1,400 copies in the United States in its first week of release, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The CD landed at position No. 43 on the Top New Artist Albums (Heatseekers) chart, which lists the best-selling albums by new and developing artists, defined as those who have never appeared in the Top 100 of The Billboard 200.

"Sick" was released in North America on April 7 via Century Media Records. An e-card for the CD, which was produced by Martin Feveyear (PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, KINGS OF LEON), is available at this location.

Thal released an acoustic EP titled "Barefoot" in December. Bumblefoot's first collection of acoustic recordings, "Barefoot" sees the guitarist re-interpreting his own songs in a stripped-down bare form. It features versions of songs from various Bumblefoot albums performed in an intimate, revealing way unlike they've ever been heard before.

Bumblefoot last year inked a deal with DEEP/BCD Music Group. His latest full-length CD, "Abnormal", was made available in October. The DEEP/BCD Music Group version of the album includes an exclusive bonus track not available anywhere else.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=120435  (There you can see the video)

Why some people need to turn every thread into an argument about whose band GN'R is or whether it's a real band or not is beyond me.  Does it really fucking matter?  Also, does it matter if Duff is a fan of Chinese Democracy or not?  He obviously likes Ron's playing, and in case you haven't noticed he's done a lot more than just Chinese Democracy.
It looked like an awesome performance, by musicians who all enjoy playing music for all of the right reasons - which given the shit they've all been through in their lives with record labels, bands that can't seem to get along, etc. that's a fucking miracle in itself... so many people would've been jaded by now.  Not talking just Duff and Ron here... Jeff Rouse and Mike Squires' other band - Alien Crime Syndicate - were signed and dropped by two seperate labels before releasing anything.  That has to hurt.
On a side note - Jeff Rouse has now played with two current Guns N' Roses members, after Alien Crime Syndicate acted as Tommy Stinson's backing band in 2004. :)


The fact that one used to be in Guns N' Roses, and one is in Guns N' Roses is irrelevant, though an obvious talking point.

oh, that journey song is awesome, never heard it before :P

says the guy with a cartoon of $lash in his avatar.   ::)   makes me want to fucking vomit.  and its not so much him, its his rabid fans who ruin every single legit topic they can and turn it into people who haven't been in the band for over a decade being GnR.   Thats not only being a troll, its fucking delusional!

But you have to admit, people like Nesquick coming here flying a sig about how Duff is still in the band is doing nothing but antagonizing GnR fans.  I agree with just about everything else you said.

Im quite happy that Slash is no longer GNR.  doesn't mean i cant follow the progress of the new guys.

Jesus.  ::)

Some of you seem to look for the bad in anything. Duff said that Axl sang his ass off and that he was happy Axl was able to make the album that he wanted to. So, what about those particular comments lead you to make the assumption that he "isn't noble"? He has no obligation to make any certain statement. The guy was the bass player of the band when they were at their peak. I'd say he's qualified to comment as he sees fit, not according to what some of you expect him to say.

When Axl was asked during the forum chat what he thought about Duff's positive comments on the album, Axl responded by saying, "And"? Was that "noble" enough for your liking? I love how some of you seem to want to put a negative spin on something as simple as Duff and BBF doing a show together. Instead of creating left field conspiracy theories and negative agendas, how about just taking it for what it was ---- FUN.

From Duff in his column at Seattle Weekly...

I had an amazing gig the other night here in NYC...probably Loaded's best ever. We were joined onstage by Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, a virtuoso on guitar and a first-class all-around guy!

cool as hell.


I noticed that too.  would have been pretty noble if he did but that might have been difficult in his situation.

maybe their doing the jam eased it(whatever) off a bit, don't you think?   :)

Does that make you all happy now?  Or do you want Duff to dry hump Tommy?  :hihi:

Sure. He may have said that BBF was a virtuoso on guitar and first class guy, but did he say that his playing on Chinese was epic amazing? I think we still need to be concerned as to Duff's true intentions. :hihi:

What are duff's true intentions in those words of praise, Mr mindreader?  ::)

this show was beneath bumblefoot.  let's hope it stops now.  axl shouldn't have to make an official rule about playing with the ex-former-gnr guys' bands.  it should absolutely understood.  i love bbf's amazing guitar skills, but loyalty is probably more important in my mind.

Oh for fuck's sake!  This is absolutely the most fantastically idiotic thing that I've read in a long fucking while!
Axl probably appreciates a guy like Bumblefoot playing with whoever he likes for fun a lot more than he'd appreciate a sycophantic suck-up like it appears you would be.

i happen to think bumblefoot is far too talented to be slumming with a common rock band.  i would hate to see michelangelo waste his time drawing pokemon cartoons. 

Did you ever hear of fun?





/jarmo

And I happen to think that Bumblefoot would be disgusted with bullshit comments like that. ::)

http://twitter.com/therealedtrunk





/jarmo

wow tommy's there tonight!?? :D

would the 'fun' defense hold up if ron decided to play with the other ex-gunners of the past? 

On Topic, (sort of) I think it's really cool Ron got out there and got to have some fun. It's something that I think is missing a lot from music today, and that's musicians playing and jaming with eachother for fun. I always looked up to Eric Clapton for his eagerness to jam with other great guitarists and musicians.

Can anyone tell me about the new loaded album? I recently heard (on 99.9 in Seattle) a cool recording of Loaded jaming with Jeff Ament (sp) from Pearl Jam and I thought it was really cool. I've never really cared to listen to Loaded much, but I think I may give em a whirl. I'd rather Duff played with those guys than Velvet Revolver.

I always loved that song. I know this isn't on topic either, but whenever making my "ultimate Guns lineup in my head, I can never choose between Duff or Tommy. They're both so fucking cool.

14 hours ago...

oops it wasn't tonight.  :P


Did that happen? No. Till then don't trouble trouble and enjoy.


.

Slumming?

Have you even heard the new Loaded record?  It's great.

This is one of the dumbest remarks I've ever read on this board.

Ali

if you like simple music for simple minds.  there's nothing even close to the epic grandeur of chinese democracy. 

am i the only one who seem to care that duff was one of the millions of spiders trying to tear axl down?  remember the lawsuits and bullshit that drove axl nuts and delayed the album for godonlyknows how long?  i'm glad bumblefoot got to have some 'fun,' but come on... there are so many people in the world he could have fun with... why pick on of the three guys who tried to destroy axl?  it just doesn't make sense to me.

I repost this for you falungong69


so,
don't worry and enjoy the ride.

edit to add
I'd love to see pokemon cartoons drawn by Michelangelo.

Even if you can eat in the nicest restaurants every day of the week, once in a while a simple hamburger is nice.





The Billboard Q&A: Axl Rose (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=169)




By the way, when Tommy toured in support of Village Gorilla Head in 2004, his backing band was Alien Crime Syndicate. Some of them are in Duff's band....



/jarmo

I cant believe some of you morons have a problem with this... I'm not a huge fan of ex-gunner solo stuff, but I think this is absolutley great...

And yes I would like to see one of the new guys play along with slash, and why would Axl give a shit?
Its the music biz, these things happen!

It's amazing how incestuous the scene is and how few degrees of separation there are. 

Bumblefoot always puts his heart and soul in, would have loved to have seen that live  : ok:

wait... so axl saying that one day in the future he could see himself making peace with duff and playing together translates to thinking it's cool for axl's band to go jam with duff's band when we're in the heart of chinese democracy's release.  gnr should be on tour, the video for better should be debuting, the band member q&a video should be coming out... but no, instead bumblefoot's out playing with the very guys who tied chinese democracy up for 10 years. 

glad to know you think that's fun, jarmo.  maybe 4tus will go have fun with matt sorum.  or dj ashba with slash.  still sound like fun?  no thank you.

instead of more action on chinese democracy, we get more action on duff's craptastic mullethead 80's rock garage band.  excuse me for setting my sights just a little higher and respecting loyalty. 

you honestly worry me, jarmo.  if one day slash tricks axl into thinking they can be friends/bandmates again, i'm not quite sure where you'll stand.  if chinese democracy means anything to us -- if the years we've put into defending this band from everyone who makes fun of them are worth a god damn -- then the current members of gnr will stay where they belong -- gnr! 

Stop worrying about me and worry about yourself instead.  : ok:


To jam with another band doesn't fucking mean he's joining that band.

 ::)



/jarmo

playing on stage and being in a band is serious business and all about taking "sides" like it's a war or something

Yet another example that proves the old "you can't please everybody" clich? to be true.

On one hand you have people claiming GN'R members are all controlled by Axl (not allowed to talk about GN'R etc. etc.) and on the other hand you have people who get upset as soon as that theory is proven to be bullshit (like in this case).

---

http://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/410116/pid/401816



/jarmo

Not everything has to mean "something".  In the absence of any supporting evidence, then you have to except the explanation that it was fun between friends.  I guess that's not as sensational and entertaining as the other theories though is it?  Probably the same reason media reviews of Gn'R shows contain the same cliche's and oft-repeated myths in an attempt to entertain rather than inform.

I always wonder when people claim Jesus has shown himself to them in a burrito/piece of toast/potato - We live in an age of Twitter, FaceBook, Letterman, 24hr News channels - I mean surely there are more effective ways of getting your message across than appearing in random foods???

Reading Falun's post, you could believe that all GnR's plans in the past 6 months were put on hold because of BF's intention to play with Loaded that night.  :confused: :hihi:

i really dont get why people have any problem with ron getting up and doing his thing with duff.

axl got up and played with gilby again after gilby was out the band.

If it had been axl that had gotten up with duff the excitment around here by the majority would have been almost sickening.

Each member of gn'r can do whatever the hell they want. If they have down time or a day off then so what if they jam with another band.

Did anyone moan when axl was out and about singing for versace or that other birds birthday, no it was yeah axl is being seen in public.

Perhaps ron should just join us here and post the rare pictures he has of axl that none of us will ever see, or care to.

The fact the guys that are in gn'r these days play with the x members only proves how important they probably feel duff etc were in the past 20 years.

I'm sure Lisa would have sorted something for you  ;) :hihi:

Ron doing anything promotes GN'R. Axl has given the message that Duff is ok, so there should be no problem here.

Here I would have thought that it was ok because Ron is a grown man who is able to make his own decisions. :hihi:

Plus, it's in line with the reality that Axl doesn't hold any of these guys to any type of restrictions or gag orders.

I'll be one of the outsiders, here, and say I don't think Ron should have done that.   Why even risk your gig in GNR to jam with a band like Loaded?    I'm a VR fan, but I'm starting to see what Axl said about how certain ex-members just use their ties to Guns N Roses to sell their music.    I'm sure Duff knew it would get a bunch of talk cuz of the GNR angle...thus promoting loaded.  I also think it's funny that Duff is out there playing old GNR covers and not his VR songs.   Not to mention the whole lawsuit too.   Didn't Buckethead have to leave cuz he wanted to play other shows while waiting for the GNR tour?     

But hey, maybe Axl is fine with it, and him and Duff have made up and there is no problem.   I'm just trying to call it like I see it.   I don't think it was cool to put Axl in that position.   

no

Unless she's started flying 747's across the Atlantic, no dice  :hihi:

What position was Axl put in?

These guys can do whatever it is that they choose. It's not like Ron joined Loaded or VR, he simply played a gig for fun. Aside from Duff maybe asking "so how's Axl doing", I highly doubt that Axl was even a topic of conversation. From what we know, Duff hasn't spoken to Axl since 1998, and none of his interviews have suggested that it's a high priority for him to do so.

In my opinion, alot of the current bandmembers probably view being in today's Guns N Roses as a side project. God knows that there's plenty of time for other opportunities for each of them. My point being, I think alot of time, we as fans, take this soap opera shit alot more seriously than current/ex-members even do. An ex-member / current member played a gig. Nothing more. To suggest that Axl is sitting at home stewing over this is just utterly ridiculous.

U do realize that Duff wrote Its So easy right? So why can't a guy play his own song? Sure its a GNR song but it is also a duff song.

Also, Loaded is Duff's band but he isn't trying to be HUGE with this band. They only spent 20k on their album, which is a great album by the way.

Saying Duff used Bumblefoot to sell more records is ridiculous especially when 90 percent of the US have no idea Bumblefoot is even in GNR.

Also I think its cool that the new band members have something that most of the new fans don't have in regards to old GNR and that is respect.

Well unless they made sure it was cool with Axl, it's kind of like they did it behind his back.  Considering the history you'd think Bumblefoot would have been a little more cautious.  Now Axl is put in a position where his name and band are attached to this thing that happened with Bumblefoot and Duff, when Axl is trying to move forward.  But someone said Duff and Ron were friends before, so maybe Axl doesn't care.   I think I remember Axl saying he would only be open to the idea of Axl and Duff working together and that they'd have to sit and work it out first. 

Also I know that Duff wrote It's So Easy...and even So Fine(which I consider to be a filler song).  Loaded is not bad, but it's also kind of generic.  Duff has become such a contradiction lately too, and this whole thing is just another example.   I think it's kind of lame for him to be playing old GNR tunes with Loaded when they have plenty of Loaded songs and even VR songs.  It's obvious that he is doing it for the GNR angle.   Oh and what's with him playing the guitar?   I hope to God he is at least still playing the bass on those old GNR songs when his band covers them.

Dude, go listen to the album. Or Duff's 1993 solo album Believe in Me. He has always played guitar, he has stated that he wrote Its So Easy on guitar. Don't judge before you havent even listened to it.

And he does play bass on the GN'R songs  : ok:

And regarding the Bumblefoot appearence. He played a show with some people he knows, nothing more and nothing less.

The people trying to drag this into a Axl thing, or a promotional thing from Duff's side are the only people making this a massive deal.

ok well at least he plays the GNR songs on bass still.   I still think the cool thing to do would have been for them to get the ok from Axl, ...maybe they did?   I'm sure they will have to clear this up in an interview soon, anyways.

With all respect, some of these comments are getting out of hand. Last time I checked, GNR wasn't a secret cult. These guys have lives outside of GNR and are free to do whatever they want.

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Also.
I think its cool they jammed together, i think it helps bridge the divide a little. Stopping all the

NUUUU LINE UP VS OLLDDD LINE UP war, maybe.

why shouldn't Duff play songs he was apart of?

Hell, he is playing ISE and Dust N Bones for fuck's sake, it isn't like he is playing Jungle PC or SCOM or NR

Hell, i wish Axl would play Dust N Bones.

Jealous much Mysteron? tee hee hee

As long as Ron can nail the TWAT solo I'm happy  : ok:

He should play whatever GNR songs he wants to, as any musician should

Every version of GNR doesn't do an assload of cover songs live, I don't see how someone could get upset with Duff or whoever for playing GNR songs they wrote or even ones they didn't write

I think it is one thing for Axl to go out as GNR, or even for Slash, Duff, and Matt to play those songs together as VR, but sorry that I have no interest in seeing just Duff playing those GNR songs, in some bar ,with a bunch of other guys.   Same goes for Slash.  How many times do they have to play It's So Easy out at the shows?

The people who go to the shows want to see it

In theory, if things had shaken out differently and Axl was performing as a solo artist or in another band, I would still want to see him do GNR songs

Duff wrote It's So Easy with another guy who was never in GNR.  Even if it's a GNR song, he has as much a right as anyone to perform it

I think Axl clearly talked to Duff at some point in these years, and they kinda solved their problems. Who knows... maybe Duff apologised for all the harm he did to guns with all the lawsuits, and Axl felt it was ok to forgive him. They were huge friends, and people can change their minds. Axl's words about a hypothetical Duff appearence in a GNR show kinda let us know that something changed from the ''meaning my former friends'' rant at Rock In Rio III and today. And that's cool.

Obviously, I'm just speculating. If this happens to be the case, I think its not only ok, its also cool to see this kind of guest appearences involving current and former GNR members.

But if this is not the case, I have to admit I agree with the guy who talked about ''loyalty''. For example, I REALLY would hate to see any GNR member having anything to do with Slash. We should not be eternally resentful, but we should NEVER forget what Slash did to the band we all love after he voluntary quit the band. He did nothing but harming the band. I cant forget VR promoting itself with the GNR name, I cant forget all the lawsuits, I cant forget the ''halloween incident'' and I'm pretty sure Axl and the rest of the band have at least 1000000000000 more and more solid arguments than me to want Slash far away from Guns.

I kinda have mixed emotions about this. But I think I can differentiate between Duff and Slash. They're not ''the same'' in all this subject.

Have u even heard Duff do these songs? They sound fan fucking tastic

does it really matter?

The answer is yes anyway.

And I agree with you, they sound great

Estban, have you ever thought that maybe Duff forgave Axl as well?!remember, there's always 3 sides to every story. You have each parties side and then the truth. Personally, I think this is a good step. I liked this collaboration. I think that when GNR gets inducted to the  Hall of Fame that it won't be as awkward as the Van Halen induction. 

okay, fine.  everyone here now seems to think duff is acceptable enough for the new band to support him. 

but can we all please agree that never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever would it be okay for any of the new guys to play with/be friends with slash?  we have to draw a line somewhere.

I don't agree

U gotta realize. Axl has had all of this inside for 10 years. the more he gets it out, the closer he will be able to get to forgiving

So don't shut the door forever on Slash

typical annoying reunion talk.  what part of CANCER don't you understand?

you wanting to open the door for slash is like hoping that guns n' roses and axl get cancer. 

Man, Ron looked to be having a blast! Thanks for the clips.

Richard has seen VR live.  What does it matter?  I think its all kind of cool...

yes, of course.

It's just that I really dont care about what Axl could have done to Duff, because I dont care about Duff. By the other hand, I know what Duff did to something I care and I've learned to love: GN'R. And this is all bout GNR, not the personal issues that Axl and Duff might have.

VR is still going, which is why he probably doesnt play them songs.  He also plays AC/DC and Judas priest etc.  is that lame?

back from the LI show tonight, what another great show, Ron did show up, Say what you will but the guys are friends, and have mutual respect. When Ron goes on stage he isnt playing the GNR stuff, thats DUff, stuff, and the crowd loves it. Instead Ron comes out and they jam classic tunes, and DUff talks about the evolutions and inspirations that went from a wide spectrum. And he always acknowledges GNR. And sorry some of you really need to grow up . I can say the show Tues, was far more intense, moshing stage dive, but LI is a bit more subdued , even so it was easier to just talk to the guys, and appreciate the work. And the crowd was great. Some forum members I ran into there its always a pleasure and great time to see and be able to connect and enjoy the music,Its not fucking politics.

okey-dokey then - dont go and dont watch the clips. simple as that.  Duff can play what he wants.
Ron and duff look like they had a blast - they are both musicians, playing live and enjoying themselves - who are you to tell them what they can/cant play?  The GnR songs Duff plays are ones he was originally involved in - it's not like he cranked out Better with Ron now is it?!  I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Loaded play Dust n'Bones last year, never thought I'd hear that one live by any GnR member past or present.

lets not get too serious on this.  Loaded are a good band and Ron and Duff obviously enjoyed playing together - good for them.  The end.

Who would it not be okay for?  You?    the fan's?    Axl?
If the current members do have the input into this band that you all suggest, then surely it is THEIR choice if they choose to play with Slash, just like Josh did.  Its not Axl's choice and its none of your business.

before i say this, Don't get me wrong, i DONT really want a reunion either.

But it would be SO funny to get your reaction if Axl and Slash did forgive each other.  Not just you, everyone on this board.



Maybe Axl is still a little bitter about that?  It did effectively end that version of the band.


As for the actual topic.  Loaded rock and put on an awesome show!  I strongly recommend that you all go see em.  And jamming with Ron would make it even cooler  : ok:

I think it was awsome that Ron played a couple classic rock songs with Duff , Stone In love is one of my favorite Journey songs! Anyways its up to anyone to play with whoever they chose. I dont know who "we" is or why someone has to be "accepted" by you to be played with. This is not some cult , there are no restrictions on who to play with.

Axl and Slash on a stage , sure it's unlikely. But if any other member of the band wants to play with Slash, Duff , Steven Tyler , hell any respectable musician.

All the so called reunion talk ends right here.

This thread is about Ron jamming on a  bunch of rock classics with Loaded.

For fun!





/jarmo

Oh please.  It IS fuckin politics.  Duff acknowledges GNR and talks about evolutions and inspirations BUT Ron is NOT playing the GNR stuff with him??  WTF??  If that isn't fuckin politics, I don't know what is.  ::)


IMO, even if your friend doesn't have an problem with you "seeing" their ex, it is at the very least 'awkward' for mutual acquaintances when youze take that public ....  like sorta an inherent perceived disrespect in the eyes of some of those acquaintances.


But, when all is said and done, Ron, Duff and the crowd all apparently had a great time ..... so who's to say....

I have to admit it is a bit odd that Ron wouldnt' join him for the GnR songs, considering Ron is a part of Guns N' Roses.

the only old member that constantly wants a reunion is steve.  duff and slash would do it but in no way shape or form do they try to promote one; but they are constantly asked it by the media and fans so it keeps being brought up.

as for his critique of the album, i'm sure he's upset you did'nt like his opinion of CD--maybe he'll write an in-depth review just for you in his next column in the seattle times or playboy :hihi:

dude, you sound like an immature 12 yr old

what do you think of tommy stinson checking out duff's show in allentown? does that meet your approval ratings?

and new members of GnR checked out VR in NYC back in 2004 and gave great reviews of the show

i think you sound like an immature 12 year old.  remind me to never be friends with you in the non-internet world becaue you clearly don't understand loyalty.

fact: duff tried to destroy axl and guns n' roses with lawsuits and backstabbing. 
fact:  we were unable to enjoy chinese democracy for years because these lawsuits distracted axl
fact:  when axl had to delay the album because of duff's actions, axl took all the blame and got mocked for it causing a further spiral of inactivity.
fact:  duff to this day supports and helps slash, the unforgivable cancer who tried to ruin axl rose and will stop at nothing to do so again.

so... considering all that, it doesn't seem very appropriate to me for AXL'S CURRENT BAND to be palling around with the very people who tried to destroy axl.  maybe we just have a different idea of friendship and brotherhood.  but if somebody tried to destroy my livelihood and everything i believed in, i wouldn't want my friends thinking it was okay to buddy buddy with them.

so since chinese democracy came out, bumble and tommy have played more with duff than axl.  meanwhile, axl's the one who produced and album that just got released with those guys playing on it.  he graciously invited people like tommy and ron to be a part of the guns n' roses legacy.  but now that the album's out, instead of promoting it they're hanging out with the very people who tried to ruin that album? 

i'm sorry... you can call it fun if you want... but if i was in axl's shoes, it wouldn't feel very fun to me.

It would have been odd if Duff was up there playing 'Chinese D' tracks without BBF.

It's not at all odd that he was up there playing Guns songs that he had helped write and record, and that BBF did not.

Duff telling the crowd that if not for them (Iggy pop and The Stooges) there wouldn't be Punk Rock, Metallica, Guns N Roses, megadeth(?) nirvana alice in chains etc while ron's twittering.  :hihi:

To state the obvious again, it's politics.  Leaving the obvious unsaid would also be politics tho.

well played by bbf.

I don't know whose mutual Acquaintances she meant but
shouldn't it have been awkward already when axl said duff might play with GNR?

If Axl mentioned possibly being willing to collaborate with the man, I find it difficult to believe that Duff is this calculating, evil villain that you are trying to portray him to be.

so what... you think that slash the cancer bullied poor helpless duff into suing axl over stupid bullshit?  sorry, but to me duff is an adult and he must take responsiblity for his own decisions. 

just because axl, being a forgiving and benevolent person, can possibly forsee a day in the distant future in which they might be able to make peace is A FAR CRY from axl's current band taking it upon themselves to support one of the guys who tried to ruin axl and the entire gnr name -- during the very time that chinese democracy should be a priority!

maybe duff owes axl an apology, and that's what axl's waiting on.  we don't know, so we can't say.  but until axl's playing with duff's band i don't think it's cool for any of axl's band to be doing it.  plain and simple.  just look at all the shit it's stirred up around here.  when the press gets a hold of it, all we're going to hear about is r-word this and r-word that. 

meanwhile, where is the hype for chinese demcoracy?  why isn't ron out promoting the shit out of this album?  he said it had some of the most beautiful music he'd ever heard.  why aren't they playing those amazing chinese democracy songs?  i mean, chinese demcoracy came out and there's still no video for better or the interview video with quesitons for the fans.  so these guys don't have the time for that but they do have the time to "jam" with the gnr has-beens?  i'm sorry, but it doesnt' make much sense to me.

Has anybody put any thought into Duff not really caring whether or not anybody wants to do a show with the original line-up.  The guy is worth a friggin' fortune and might possibly have more money than anybody else who has ever been in Guns N' Roses COMBINED!

-Larry

Someone needs to get a life!! GNR will tour again - I think its cool Ron played with Duff - someone reads too much into what people say - They play music for fun- thats what musicians do

GNR is like one big dysfuntional family - some members get along, others do not

If anything, this could mean possible future collaborations with old members of the band - Duff is cool, I hung out with him  a couple of years ago

As far is the legal proceedings go, it all had to do with using songs in movies, the fact is that it is probably really hard to agree on something like that

Loaded blows VR outta the water in regards to quality - I feel confident that only good things are yet to come...

Here's a thought for you: The two aren't related. One doesn't exclude the other.

Like anybody who has a job or goes to school, it doesn't mean you can't do other stuff on the side for fun. Ever heard of the term "a hobby"?



Of course it doesn't make sense to you. It's quite apparent that "fun" does not make any sense to you.



/jarmo

It reminds me of the quote Axl said when talking about possibly working with duff, I'm paraphrasing here,  "I'd be left sorting out the details, and probably wind up getting blamed on top of it."   Sounds like Axl got left to sort out the details here.  Duff is obviously so non-confrontational that he couldn't even call Axl and say "hey buddy, it's duff, do you mind if Bumblefoot comes on stage with us and do a non-GNR song or two?...cool .I know he's your guitarist just wanted to make sure it was cool.  Maybe I'll call you later on again and we can talk some more? "  

Ron is a grown man, he doesn't have to ask anyone's "permission"

Do u think Izzy called Axl and asked his permission to join VR onstage?

Last I checked Axl still loves Izzy, so why would it be an issue?


Also, I don't get why fans try to get involved with lawsuits and shit they know absolutely nothing about.


A lot of those lawsuits seemed like misunderstandings anyway.

All I know is, If I stop getting my royalty checks, u are damn right I am going to sue to find out why

that doesn't make Duff a bad guy.

If they have opportunities to make money via GNR music in movies etc, they have just as much say as Axl. So if they aren't getting any input on decisions, u have to sue to protect what is yours also.

that doesn't make him a bad guy, it is business.

Axl obviously does not care otherwise Ron wouldn't have done it.  So why the fuck does everyone here?  We need to back Axl when he actually needs us.  All we are doing with this thread is trying to start shit between him and BBF which could really backfire for Nu-GNR and everyone that comes to this god damn board everyday waiting to hear about the fuckin tour.  I know Axl is alot wiser then listening to this "Garbage Can called the Internet" but if enough people say that BBF is somehow betraying Axl/Nu-GNR then for fucks sake something may ring true....then what?  A 150 page thread if BBF is still in the band....on another topic...Will I be able to find Chinese Democracy in another store besides Best Buy on Sunday?  Sales should totally go up once CD is everywhere...ah....CD is so fucking great :peace:

Interesting logic; Duff is an adult who is responsible for making his own desicions but Ron and Tommy need permission from Axl to do anything music related outside of GNR.

Maybe they should hang out with Duff more often if it gives them a chance of learning how to elevate themselves to "responsible adult" status in your eyes.

LOCKED

I asked nicely, nobody listens.


Some love to talk about the so called reunion. Others love nothing more than bashing anybody they can. Be it band members or other board members.





/jarmo