Here Today... Gone To Hell!

No not asking, and I am not joking. This is the first time I heard about this. Total Film listed 11 of there favorite things about the new Terminator movie.

5  It's Loaded With Nods To The Other Terminator Movies
Never once forgetting their franchise's heritage, McG and his team have packed Salvation with cleverly crafted ? if occasionally unsubtle winks to what came before.

Our favourite? A snatch of Guns N? Roses ?You Could Be Mine? when Connor tangles with a MotoTerminator?

As a big Terminator fan, I cannot wait to see the film. Its pretty failsafe which is comforting. A guerilla warfare movie set 14 years after Judgement vs. the machines. Anyway, this will bring a smile to my face when I see this Friday night. Pretty cool don't you think?

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/11-things-we-love-about-terminator-salvation

That'll be pretty cool to see/hear!

thast sweet. Its coming out at midnight wednesday and every where thursday :peace:

Are you a Guns N Roses fan? Kate gives John "Use Your Illusion II" in the book and I'm curious why you chose that band.

Confession time: my involvement with modern popular music ended around 1969. (My taste in music runs to 19th-century classical and classical-style movie soundtracks.)

That scene originally had Kate giving John a piece of classical music (Lalo?s Symphonie Espagnole, if anyone?s interested), which I assumed from her more cultured upbringing would be something she was familiar with. James suggested that, instead, she should give him something that would have significance to HIM. I readily agreed, confessed my utter lack of knowledge in such things, and asked for suggestions. He offered GNR, and we decided to go with the album that was featured in Terminator 2. (James also said Kate should say ?rock on?; I decided she was as ignorant of that fan base as I was and tweaked the scene accordingly.)

Source: http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2009/05/interview-with-terminator-salvation.html

So, if this happens to be true, its not gonna be a re-recorded version of the track, right?

good news anyway

that would be cool

I'd love to hear the re-recorded version. But I'm sure it'll be the original

I will definitely be seeing this film. ;D

Why on earth anyone would want a re-recorded version of a classic GNR song is beyond me  ::) ...

cuz we all heard the classic version and hearing other versions is always cool.... why would you ever buy Live Era if those are live versions of classics?

I wanna see this film!!!! Guns N' Terminator together again, cool!!  : ok:

Why do people go see remakes of classic films?  Why do they listen to redo's of classic music from other artists (like, for example, GNR's versions of Knockin on Heaven's door and Live an Let Die)?  Why do people go see movies made based on books?

It's frequently intersting to see another artists take, or the same artists take at a different point in their life/career, of older material.

says the guy whose named after the main songwriter whose band re-recorded one of their classic songs for an album 20 years later.

cos we gnr fans saw GNR playing the song live in this century and loved it! ;D

anyhoo according to imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/trivia)
"The song "You Could Be Mine" by Guns N' Roses appears in the film as a cameo. The song was previously used in Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), appearing on the film's soundtrack."

it should be the version that was previously used.

to bad. they couldn't get axl to give in a new song

I really like the idea, in the novelization for Terminator Salvation, that Kate gives John Use Your Illusion II. It makes You Could Be Mine not really intrigual to the story but, a small part of its lore. You see, geeks like me love subtext. I think its cool as hell. I would love to hear Axl comment on this.

Permission must have been granted for the use of YCBM in the new Terminator film, so I am a little surprised that this was revealed like this. Although it is a cool surprise. I know each one of us will have big old goofy smiles on our face when we hear it in the film. Its really damn cool.

to hear the current version's interpretation?  i would prefer not to hear that btw, but i suppose it would give fans a little taste of ashba

other versions of classic songs is NOT always cool, are you sick, have you heard sheryl crow's version of SCOM : ok:

and in 2002, i hated hearing bucket's and robin's interpration of AFD songs-they were so far removed from the song that some of the solo's/outto's were unrecognizable

well, thats a cover... we were talking about GNR doing other versions of their songs, but whatever

and ok, you hated it, but i thought it was cool to hear it and then decide if i liked it or not...

most people here appreciate hearing ax n the boys doing something different with the songs, but hey, to each his own

yea why on earth any fan would not want to hear new version of a gnr classic by GNR is beyond me.
Not necessarily on this film tho. at a show or otherwise.

Just seen the movie. BIG let down.  :rant: GN'R scene was cool.

What I meant was, in the context of the terminator movie 'legacy', why would anyone prefer a re-recorded version over the classic original version, used in Terminator II.  It's a 'wink' to that movie, that era.  Myself, as a fan of those movies, I'd prefer the original (even more so considering the actual album UYI II is apparently involved).

I couldn't care less however many classic GNR songs Axl plays in concert nowadays, that's a whole different context.  I'd prefer they played their own songs though, with maybe a couple classics thrown in for good measure in the encores or whatever.  But that's a different discussion.

When you're talking about other artists doing GNR songs, or GNR doing other people's songs, that's a cover, you know damn well that's not the same scenario as what we're talking about here.  I still don't see why anyone wants to hear Axl's band re-record the classics, they should make or break it with their own stuff.  I know they re-recorded AFD in the studio as a rehearsal to get the songs down better, and I can understand that from that point of view.  Anything else is unnecessary in my book, but hey, like someone said here, to each his own !

And yes, I'm aware Motley Crue did the very same thing, it's not because I like a band that I agree with everything they do.  If that was the case, I'd have a big problem being a GNR fan...  ;D

What didn't you like about it?  Was it a case of too high of expectations?

Just curious.

i still think it would be awesome to hear the new members' studio version of YCBM. and even the re-recorded AFD.

we'll agree to disagree :)

YES, its was not how i was thinking it was going to go. I mean it has its moments. it didn't feel like a Termintor movie. Alot of that has to do with no Arnold in it. And did little to set up  what happens in T1 and T2.  :-\

That's sad to hear.

I am a fan of the Terminator series and of Christian Bale. I'll be seeing the movie next week, let's see what happens

From MTV (*possible spoiler*)...

May 21 2009 3:07

'Terminator Salvation': Five Things To Look Out For

You Could Be Mine...Again? - In one pivotal scene, John Connor uses a boom box to attract the attention of a Moto-Terminator. His music of choice? Guns N' Roses' hit song "You Could Be Mine," an early '90s classic that featured prominently in "Terminator 2" and resulted in a now-classic video that had Axl, Slash and the gang meeting Arnold Schwarzenegger but being dubbed a "waste of ammo." Trust us, kids ? back in 1991, it was a really big deal.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1611954/story.jhtml

Letdown? So, was this not a guerilla war movie with Man vs. the machines? Did the machines not resemble terminator endoskeletons? Was Skynet not the ones manufacturing said terminators? Was there not a lot of robots fighting humans in this? Was John Connor not kicking some ass in this? Was it serious and with not a lot of stupid one liners and joking around? Was it action packed and not boring?

Because this is what I expect out of a Terminator movie taking place 14 years or so after Judgment Day. I want to see some of the war. That is what I have been wanting to see since the first and clearly still the best one. I am a huge fan of the first Terminator film. What the hell were you thinking it was going to be uzisuicide2002? Because it seems to me, this film is giving me a huge fan service and doing exactly what I could have possibly wanted it to do. I have my tickets and seeing it tomorrow night so I will see for myself soon enough.

I think you should take the movie talk to the right section.

Not everybody wants movie spoilers in the GN'R section...

Thanks.



/jarmo

Just watched Terminator Salvation....Yes YCBM was in the movie, and it was not a re-record....and ..."a little bit of arnold"....in the movie....hope that dose't spoil too much....bad ass cgi/visual effects.....good story line...and room for sequel(s)....I nearly yelled,"Hell Yeah!" when YCBM came on...but there were like 12 people in the theater...went to the 4:45 show here in kansas city....peace everyone.

i also just saw the movie and yes y.c.b.m. was in it.the movie was awsome i reconmend everybody see it.

ok just seen it a 2nd time with afew more friends. LIKED it alot more the 2nd time...picked up on afew things the 2nd time i didn't see the 1st.  :beer:

As has Bon Jovi.  As has Springsteen. As has Aerosmith.  As have countless other artists, who revisit their "classic" material, later in their careers, and re-record it with a different take/styling.  And people buy it/listen to it.  YOU might not....which is fine...but I'm not sure how you apply that to "anyone" else.

And while I see your initial point (that you'd want the original so it would be a true "homage" to T2), you could make the counter point that, as it's YEARS later, if there were a different version around, it would be a nice nostalgic homage that would still fit in the more "current" (in terms of the movie) setting.  It could go either way.

but this current line up has NOTHING TO DO with that classic.  I would like to hear the band who wrote that song do it, but I can hear another band cover it any night at any local bar.  Nostalgic?  That would mean the original band getting back together to play the songs they wrote and made famous. 

Which, of course, brings us back to what I suspect is the REAL reason for many (not all, but many) of the objections here:  People don't want to consider this incarnation of the band as the "real" Guns n Roses. 

And again, opinions are going to vary on that subject.....though I think that debate is likely a good way to get the thread dumped into "dead horse".

As for "the band that wrote the song": The writing credits go to Stradlin and Rose for YCBM.

I'm just sayin'......

You are correct.  I view this band as a new version.  I just cant consider it gnr. Thats just me.  nugnr!  If you remember, wayyyy back when Axl came back at the vma's, he even said it was going to be hard to do. "this has never been done before"  Its just hard for me, and obviosly tons of other fans, to just see Axl on stage with a totallly different band calling it gnr. I was lucky enough to grow up with the real thing.  Seeing them in 1988, then that huge tour in 1992. It just created so many memories and I loved THAT band. no matter how good this new band is, and I really like chinese d., its just never going to be gnr for me. Just my opinion.

I grew up with them, too.  Got a bootleg of "Live like a Suicide" from my uncle who lived in L.A.   Saw them opening for Aerosmith. Saw the Steven version, the Matt version, and the "post Izzy" version. And I've seen them twice since 2002.  The whole nine yards.

The point being, opinions differ...and they're not based on "longevity" or being a "true fan" or anything like that. But, it seems to always come down to this fundamental difference...and since the argument IS so played out, it tends to get things moved to "dead horse". 

I'm so surprised and shocked to hear that from you....  :o



And with that, discussion over. As pilferk pointed out, it's Dead Horse material.






/jarmo

I saw the new Terminator movie today. For me, the best part was the scene with You Could Be Mine. Otherwise, it was ok.  Wait till the DVD comes out.

perhaps you should find the nearest bridge and jump off it. 

holy jesus.  are you guys seriously arguing about this??   who gives a shit? 

Just love what they've done. 

now if you'll excuse me, im gonna go read a book to try and get back some of the brain power i've lost reading this thread.

WTF is this crying got to do with YCBM in terminator? maybe you should get therapy or something to get over it

oh wait try this:

The scene with YCBM is so great. The movie kicks into serious gear at this point. The whole audience went crazy during this scene. Great crowd at Muvico. Shit made me smile. Great hearing Axl and GNR in a new Terminator movie. As far as action movies go, this film is awesome. I dug the fuck out of it. Really feels much more in line with the first film then 2 or 3. But yea, YCBM was a huge highlight. As was the reappearance of the t-800 with its human tissue (don't want to spoil), looking just like it was 1984. Fun time.

This is why I hardly ever post on this message board.  2 members were having a conversation and giving opionions. Friendly conversation about their favorite band. Sure, some of us like or prefer different versions, but we all like Axl and his music.  Then, like always, the same few have to join in using the same old BS.  "whining"  "crying"  " why are you here?"  We can never just discuss our favorite band with out insulting each other. Heaven forbid I dont prefer the latest 5 guitar players to the orgininal.  Why does it matter or bother anyone?  If you like DJ over slash, GREAT!  has nothing to do with me. WE still like gnr!!!!!

beez geez, here we go again!
I recommend http://cheapjon.mybrute.com to settle your differences.

No, no:

hawktheslayer.mybrute.com

:)

becasue all you fuckers do is bring up the SAME tired argument over and over and over.

if you want to live in your own little world and not consider the band GnR, fine.  Go do it on a fan board that appreciates that attitude, they do exist.   Here, we SUPPORT the band.  Its quite simple.   I don't care to read yours or anyone else's stupid opinions on this subject.

and you wonder why axl feels the need to use such harsh language when talking about the past.  Its because some people (like you) DO NOT FUCKING GET IT.

Here is some video of the band performing "You Could Be Mine" in 2006.  :smoking:


"You Could Be Mine"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a_wFukAvVM

Get what?  that he fucked up a great thing?  I really dont care about your STUPID opinion either.  And by the way, thanks for making my point for me..  I didnt even bring it up, I just joined into a discussion.  OOHHHHH axl uses harsh language, so scary!!!!!  I do support his band, I think Chinese D is a good album..  I would just prefer the original band. If you dont like that, go fuck yourself.  see, I can insult people too. 

you're joking right?

why do folks like you constantly feel the need to remind us that you prefer the original?  we know you do, and thats fine. 

it just seems the old school fans feel its their duty to constantly talk about the past and bring up things like "impact" in whatever topic they can.   its really old.

does UYI 2 brief appearance in this movie really warrant all the hateful posts in this thread? 

people should get some new hobbies and get a breath of fresh air!

Oooh, how cool!

-1


Just don't assume you can get away with insulting those that support GN'R instead of something that doesn't exist.



/jarmo

FOR THE LAST TIME:

1) I could care less what version any fan supports, it doenst make my life any better or worse
2)Why does anybody have to "SUPPORT" any version? You just single me out and change my words around to make it look like i dont like this version. NOT TRUE!  There are just as many fans that have to keep coming on these boards and reminding us that they like the new band better. again, great! makes no difference to me
3)The insult was not really an insult, it was just to make a point. I doint know this poster personally. He can like whoever he wants. Did you -1 for the guy before me telling me to jump off a bridge? Thats right, it only goes one way on this board.
4) We can all agree that Axl is our favorite front man. We all support him, but I am sorry, I dont blind follow anyone. If I dont agree with something Axl does, I can voice it, doenst mean I am not a fan. You ask what is taking so long to make a simple video, and your post gets deleted?
5) I have never tried to sway anyones opinion on what they like. There is no right or wrong way.
6) The post right above mine: hateful posts? Not from me, go read the original conversation. Just 2 fans discussing there favorite band. I am not the one who has to keep reminding people that the old band broke up.

Yeah, why would people who don't even like the band visit a fan site dedicated to said band?

Makes no sense to me. Yet, it happens.



/jarmo

Maybe its because we live in different countries that we cant seem to communicate.  AGAIN, you are right! I dont mean "support" as in supporting a political candidate. You have to be on one side.  We can all agree we like gnr cant we? If you dont like gnr why would you come to a fan site?  I am a fan, so I visit this site hoping for news,etc. Which version you prefer does not make one a better fan? Prefer does not mean you doint like the other. It means if it was your choice. Its not up to me. I would rather hear Axl singing with a new band, than doing nothing at all.

I guess they teach us  a different meaning of "support" then.

Maybe you can tell us all what it means to you?  ::)



For example, to me it seems very odd to go to a fan site dedicated to something you wish to fail or something you constantly put down. That's where the support mention came from.


I'm not saying you do that by the way.

I was also taught that "you" can refer to a person or a group of people.  :P




/jarmo

I loved this movie. Hearing YCBM on the big screen was a thrill. I didn't really remember the other TERMINATOR movies. Was that a digital image of Arnold? I know he doesn't look that buff anymore.

can't wait to see the movie, I'm happy you could be mine is on it, sometimes nostalgia is good.

Really good movie. T2 will always be the best one loved YCBM scene.

I saw the movie Saturday night. The scene with "YCBM" was pretty cool. I had a big grin on my face as soon as I heard it. And considering there's only like two real songs in the movie (the other being Alice in Chains), its a moment that really stands out.

Totally. I wasn't sure before hand what part of the song was going to be used, and when the scene starts its during just a  music part, and I was just thinking "come on, let me hear Axl, let me here Axl..." And, of course we do, and it is great.

Just a quick response to a poster a bit earlier. T2 is great (especially at the time) but, it is much further removed from T1 then the new one is. The first was almost horror. Dark, gritty, and kick ass. Not a lot of jokes, and humor. This is what makes the new one great. T2 was really really silly. Not as silly and stupid as T3, but, silly. Now, Robert Patrick and Hamilton helped to offset this but still. T1 is by far the best, but for what I like most about it, Terminator Salvation, is the next best.

Loved the movie, thought it was great and of course the GNR scene was pretty cool!!!

loved the movie as well... how cool would if be if they make another YCBM music video  :hihi:

How bout that "Better" video 1st lol, movie was good the 2nd time i seen it.

the rooster moment had a bigger significance

Like the SCOM they had in Big Daddy. Worst recording of a GNR track ever, perhaps.


And so has Guns N' Roses with SCOM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtovs6HhFO8

For the Big Daddy soundtrack in '99, they used segments of the Live Era track and re-recorded the rest.

I was a big fan of Terminator, so I'll see this eventually.

Will be seeing it tomorrow night  8)

If you are listening, you are the resistance!

DA-DA-DA-DA-DAA-DAA DA!

holy shit i hated that movie lol

dont know how you guys could like that

While T2 does indeed lack some of the lovely ominous vibe of it's predecessor, it' deffo an overstatement to call it silly!
You got "hasta la vista baby " in one scale and nightmares of a nuclear apocalypse in another...
T2 is simply a very beautiful movie! In very literal sense too; cinematography of it is utter bliss through and through. Nobody is better at handling night/dark scenes than Cameron. The ever present cold-blue glow in T2 has something very charming in it.

It takes Cameron to manage action scenes this cool;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2_IUZYOds&feature=related
5:30 to 7:30 is the most perfect action scene Hollywood has ever managed, I kid yo not!

It is such a shame Cameron is too busy being a Titanic investigating, tomb of Jesus finding FUCKING IMPORTANT PERSON to make a decent action flick these days.

Oops Offtopic..
Uhh.... DJ ASHBA FORVER. ASHBA puts ASHBA in Cabashba!

I'm sorry, but I need to chime in on this off-topic topic and respond to the blasphemy...

Terminator 2 is the GREATEST action movie of all time. The T1000 is the greatest action movie villain of all time. And YCBM fits that movie perfectly. Please rewatch it if you forgot how awesome that movie was and remember that it came out in the early 90's and the impact that it had.

It is the AFD of action movies!

Totally agree, Cameron it's the action movies king. The action scenes are really good in this film. Have a lot of details.  : ok: :drool:

I have the "liquid metal" edition on DVD and watch it regularly...or did until I recently picked up the Blu-ray version.  Now I watch that, instead. :)  I don't know if it is the SINGLE greatest action movie...but it's certainly in the top 10...maybe even top 5.  Die Hard, Raiders of the Lost Arc, Aliens all win out over T2.  Gladiator's close....

First off, yes the T 1000 is awesome in T2. Best villiian ever in an action movie... not by a long shot. That title belongs to Hans Gruber. Best villian and in the best action movie. Die Hard is the top of the food chain, Cr?me de la Cr?me of action films. You want to go sci fi then you still have to bow down to Darth Vader. T1000 is still great though.

I said T2 is a bit silly because there are things that do not make sense in the universe created by Cameron himself and as a Terminator fan bug the shit out of me in T2. Examples. Why the fuck does the Terminator become so obsessed over wanting to wear sunglasses? Was his eye fucked up looking and needed to cover up the fact that he had to remove his eyeball like in the first. Makes no sense and is silly. I can accept that Skynet found a way around needing to send something that wasn't encased in human tissue through the time machine. But I can't accept a fucking dog running around Arnold's T800 in Mexico and not reacting at all to him. Dogs bark like motherfucking crazy around these machine. This is a well known Cameron established rule. How about the fact that we see Terminators ability to mimic any voice, also seen in T2, yet the T1000 needs Sarah to "Call to" John. Can't he just do it himself like he did earlier in the movie? And I just do not like Arnold one liners in my Terminator movies like silly shit like "I need a veecation)". Really? Silly Silly Silly. Silly as T3? Not by a long shot. But silly. The movie is still great and is a cool ass guy movie but, it doesn't hold a candle to the first film.

Just saw it.

The movie is far from what it COULD have been as the actors, budget and timeline was all there, but McG kindda dropped the ball. That said, there are some great scenes and some hardcore, visceral moments that any Terminator nut (like myself) will appreciate.

Sam Worthington is great and the story (overall) is good. The execution is muddled though, left to chance and cluttered. Shame.

Bale is fantastic as Connor. Enough with the "he just does Batman again"... He nails it. The drive and action scenes are real, in your face and anti-CGI for the most part. Loved them. Worth the ticket.

Buuuuuut.. the best scene?

Ha!

The YCBM scene !

It's AWESOME  8)

Absolute a steal! It's great any which way - not just for GnR fans.

Really awesome, firing up an old UYI cassette and doing what he does.

Ties it neatly with T2.

 : ok:

Awww, come on, It doesn't take much fanboiness to justify it!
During the  beta testing of t-800, Skynet perhaps came to a conclusion that eyes and/or  way they behave when T-800 is scanning it's surroundings is more inhuman than rest of the robot. Thus, each unit comes with pile of 1's and 0's dictating it to pursue sun glasses or other natural means of concealament when available :P


By that point T-1000 was severly damaged and perhaps unsure wether or not it can produce a satisfactory version of Sarah's voice.

Nice work L2D. Fine, whatever. But explain the damn dog running around the T 800 wagging his tail having a great old time. I like your explanations so please do your thing with this mystery. Don't mistake my nitpicks for not liking the film by the way. I just ordered the latest cut on Blu Ray that just came out. Anyway, let's hear it L2D.

The future T-800's were coated in a layer of doggie pheremones and their complex "skin" was made to smell like a mixture of fire hydrant and dog butt.

Nah, I bet L2D can come up with better....

You know L2D. Here I sit at work and your answers came to mind again... It just doesn't hold any water. I will accept a machine with liquid metal and not human skin making it through a time machine. He was a prototype and maybe skynet figured out this glitch. I accept your answer regarding the T1000 being damaged, I guess when he was frozen and broken up losing his sound copying modulator whatever. But, the sunglass thing... no. In that future, the machines, the T 800 and the T1000 were sent within minutes after Reese and the first T800 were sent back. And the first T800 never gave a fuck about needing sunglasses until his human tissue eye was damaged and he needed something to cover it up. There was no time for the T800 in the second to have been given a new code. He was sent back right after the first one.

Oh, and still eagerly anticipating your answer to the dog.

Ah well, machine's gotta have it's priorities :P
It's not like the t-800 of the second movie goes shopping for sun glasses either! The opportunity to acquire a pair just presents itself.

Perhaps the whole eye/face-camo is a low priority;
Go shopping for sunglasses=No
Steal a pair if unlucky bastard you are already interacting with has em=Yes

Also! Let's not forget they are infiltrator units. They must have a line or two of  of " What's hot and what's not" hard coded in them for the sake of blending in the community. With that in mind, is it an impossible thought that T-800 got all  queer eyed and figured the sun glasses would go well with his leather biker pants?  :P
If memory serves the T-800 of first movie had  all sorts stuff on it that was at least as unnecessary as sunglasses.

I can't and don't want to provide any bullshit fanboi reasoning to the dog thing, for that sounds stupid!
Are you sure about this though?
I don't recall any T-800 scenes involving dogs in T2.

Just watched this today. It's up there with T2, if not better. The metal-skeleton terminators really get their place in the spotlight in this movie, and it looks fucking amazing. So cool. My heart jumped with excitement when "You Could Be Mine" came on.8)

i wish they had of played YCBM for longer!

As for the movie, it wasnt bad IMO, but the story didnt progress at all and its open for more sequels.  Nothing like the other Terminator movies

Watched it at the cinema last night and i have to say the movie was awsome :)

Wish the YCBM part was longer but as previously qouted "my heart jumped with excitment" too :)

Excuse me ?

You must be super high ::)

T4 is a crap movie, an emabrassement to the great T1 & T2. (#3 doesn't exist for me ...)

Yes, it's full of hommages to the first two films, and that's about the only good thing about the movie. It looks nothing like Cameron's vision.

Is it just me or the YCBM version we get to hear in T4 sounds different from the UYI II one ? Not saying it's a re recorded version but I sounded quite different (then maybe it was just mixing effects + sound background of the film).

Thats a little harsh lol!  I just thought it had a lot more potential.  But lets be honest, they should have left this alone after T2.

I thought it sounded remastered.

it wasnt on long enough to notice.

Out of interest, does it play after the final credits?  I left the cinema to try and beat the rush?

It was on long enough for me to notice, and I don't know.

I saw the movie at the drive-in, and as soon as the end credits started rolling I left to seek solace in a mosquito free zone.

Look, it may not be as well thought out and finely directed and produced as T2. I know that because Cameron isn't involved and that because MCg is suppose to suck and this and that, we have this mental thing where thigns are made worse then what is really fair or represented in reality. The reality is, is that T4 is much more in line with the feel of the first film, and has far less nonsense and forced humor. Yea there was things that were silly in 4. The whole Skynet explaining itself to its own creation for example. But I think all these things can be just as easily explained as the dude who tried explaining all the "silly" things in 2. I think with far better results too. The truth is, is that T4 brought the grim and the grit back. It brought the dirt and the real world unstoppable machine back. I am talking having machine endoskeleton fucking shit up again. It was also a war movie. A war movie that had instead of Nazis or the russians, it was the machines. Instead of whiny annoying Connor, we had the baddass Connor for a whole movie that was only glimpsed at in the 4 second shot in the beginning of T2. Instead of a commentary about deadbeat dads and that kids need a daddy figure, we had lots and lots of guns and shooting. And man, there was cool as shit scenes in T2. But did the T1000 do anything as cool as shoot off its own motherfucking foot just to get to John? I don't think so.

One thing we are overlooking with  the YCBM scene is that there was actually a settup scene to this. The scene with Marcus and Kyle, and the music playing in that jeep that attracted a Terminator. That was what was so fucking cool about it. There was this knowledge given to us earlier. And of course Connor had this knowledge. And that he used YCBM. So fucking great. I know as Terminator fans, other geeks and preconceived geek shit is dictating to us that we aren't suppose to like this film. But when the bullshit is washed away in time, I think this film will be better appreciated. It honors Terminator. It honors it better then the previous sequels did. And you have to love the shots that were like CHildren of Men, with the one camera following an entire action sequence without any cutting at all. This is really a very great action film technically. They really fucking tried to give us a great film. Surely you have to appreciate this. They tried. And I think they succeeded in many ways. I really love that the humor in 4 was in the forms of nostalgic nods rather then a wincing 1 liners that have no place in Terminator.

This is a fucking brilliant film, everything's fitting in with the story from the first and second movie. I thought it was an amazing action film and it continues the story into the future Sarah Connor warned John about. If you're a fan of the Terminator story as I was when I watched the first movies years ago I hoped for a film like this, was thrilled YCBM was used again, gave me goosebumps!! I loved this film and I'm looking forward to the next!! Why isn't 'You Could Be Mine' on the soundtrack? Alice in Chains is.

For Guns fans/enthusiasts/listeners/whatnot it's a great scene, but it's really a great throwback scene - in terms of John Connor then and now, the music of the time (back in 1991) and it's just well executed.

Really awesome. Re-using YCBM is cool any which way - but they got the most of it.

 8)

Yes!!I just saw Terminator Salvation last sat. in Japan.
it was so great movie!!

i felt much love and respect toward 1&2.
and also great human movie.
i could not stop crying...

AND!!!omg!the director must be loving GNR so much,
just sweet of using You could be mine on that scene!!!

and watch out endroll....
i was so surprise about that.
do not leave the seat till completely finished...

is my english OK?Jarmo???

that's a great movie, can't wait to see the sequels.
and it was fun and cool to hear Guns N'Roses of course.

I was 20 years old again, and for ten euros, I think it's a good thing.

What happens at the end credits (after the end credits) ?!?

I didn't stick around. Will be picking this up on Blu regardless - and because McG said he's adding 30-40 minutes, which will (hopefully) only make it better.

 :)

I havent seen it yet.

Holy shit, it wasn't a bad movie!
Obviously it doesn't compare to Cameron's flicks but unlike 3rd installment, T4 holds it's ground just fine.I liked the plot a lot! Minus last 30 mins ofc, that was just embarrassing.

McG's lack of vision as a  builder of worlds is not modest. There are Disney movies with more grim and brooding surroundings than T4's   post apocalypse nuclear nightmare-lite. 
Apparently end of the world, in practice, means that everybody gets to fly around with  A-10 and wear some kind of brand new  Swat scifi hightech wetsuit that makes your ass look good.
Where is the dirt? where is the shit?War weary faces?Worn&torn technology?Everybody and everything looks like something that belongs to the set of Jonas Brothers music vid " war - sad thing baby(desert!) "


It kinda looked like every single ambitious scene the flick had was stolen. What didn't come from War of the worlds has Bladerunner or System Shock written all over it.

The whole PG-13 thing was handled insanely well. Not once did it have that embarrassing stale " fuck this saturday morning cartoon violence bullshit"- vibe that came with first AvP for example.
Still, nobody dies in this movie. What the fuck? But then, it's something that doesn't seem to occur before credits roll so its easy to forgive maybe!

Terminator motorbikes - idea so stupid it has to be impossible to make anything cool out of it.
It's like giving Adam Sandler a hammer; there are about four possible scenarios of whatkind of shape and direction the action and stunts involved take and nobody is retarted enough to fail at figuring  them all out before echo of 1st Vr000oooooOOO000ooOOOm has faded.

Where was the original theme song?! Music and sounds sucked. That or sounds had NO breathing space at all. Can't believe they hired Elfman for this.

Endless small nods and recognitions to direction of other 3 movies was very cool.

Why does everybody in the universe except Edward Furlong get to play John Connor?! Very poorly fitting role for Bale.

It really hurts franchise that they change actor of  Connor in every single goddamned movie. Thank god they booted the asshole who played him in T3 though. Thjis movie actually opens with opening credits.. who does that anymore?!


But ehhh not a bad movie :P Not when you go in expecting something more insulting than T3.

You say this and then proceed to tear the movie a new asshole...

I've got a question, why is Skynet looking for Kyle Reese in this movie?  How could they know he's John's father?

I know its almost as confusing as watching a LOST episode lol.

because eddie cant stay clean & sober long enough to make a movie. they sat around & waited for him to clean up for t3 & he could'nt do it. quite sad, avery gifted actor thats stuck doing crappy crow sequels, etc....etc...