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Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses will play in Israel, most likely on October 2, 2009, as part of the Chinese Democracy World Tour.

Chinese Democracy was one of the most successful albums in recent years, putting the names Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses back on the World Map.

The first and only time Guns N 'Roses played Israel was in July 1993 at the Park Hayarkon in Tel Aviv. That show has been considered since, one of the worst in the band's history.

It seems that it's time for Axl Rose and his new band to be given a chance to correct the impression that the old band gave the Israeli audience. (Mako)

Sorry for the awful translation. If anyone can do better, please let me know.
-Mack

http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2009/05/guns-n-roses-on-way-to-israel.html (http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2009/05/guns-n-roses-on-way-to-israel.html)

nice, let's warm up in sweden in september ;)

Great news! Things are moving! :)

That's cool  :)

Paul Mc Cartney did a show a couple of month ago at Ayarkon Park in Tel Aviv, there were 50.000 people  :P
I doubt the new band can bring 50.000 people as well (exept the old band of course), but 25.000/30.000 people is still possible for the new band  8)

Park Ayarkon is a nice place, it looks like the big gardens in California with Palm Trees and all  :)

This is great news, good find. Wish they'd name it something other than the Chinese Democracy World Tour, how many does that make now?

Is the name of the tour really going to have an effect on your time at a show? ::)

Whats the source?  How credible is this site?

What went so badly at the 1993 show?

Absolutely great news, if this is credible information, and being it is not until Oct, still leaving summer wide open for more shows, possibly some of those festival or stadium tours.  Regardless, this could be the beginning of what we have all been waiting for : ok:.

I hope It's true !!
Korpiklaani and GNR at the same month its more than I can wish  8)

this?

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=148988
a poster from Israel posted and translated the story.

Chinese Democracy one of the most successful albums in recent history? I absolutely love the album but wasn't it called a commercial failure?

Worldwide, it did incredibly well.  Even in the US, it still did well.  By standards set by prior Gn'R releases, it has not done as well so far, but it hasn't been a bomb or anything.  It's just that our standards are so absurdly high for Gn'R.

And, I'd add, the album is still selling!  It's not over.  I know some people are convinced they know all about how the music industry works, but...they don't know.  These are the same people that never could have/would have (who could have?) predicted AFD's success every day until it happened.

I wouldn't call it a failure. 3 million copies is ok nowadays and considering it's not the "real" band. It's like if tomorow Bono calls himself U2, goes solo, hires a revolving door of session players and takes 15 years to release a U2's album without The Edge and Adam Clayton... trust me, he wouldn't sell as much records as "Achtung baby". It's normal.

Chinese Democracy is neither a failure, nor a success, but it's a good album, and I'm sure the Tour will be successfull. It won't be a Rolling Stones, U2, Metallica or AC/DC kind of Tour but it will be ok  :)

says who?

Only in a month it made the 14th best seller of the year. if it wasn't called successful, what about the rest?

seems to be just a rumour so far.  but remember, there is no smoke without fire

Remember the Italian promoter who was talking about a show in Italy in May/June? Nothing happened....


It's possible the Israeli promoter wants GN'R there in October, but that doesn't necessarily mean GN'R will be there.




/jarmo

When there will be the moment to stop calling Guns N' Roses ''a new band''? I mean, this LINEUP is not ''new'' anymore, they did more than a hundred shows, tons of sellouts, recorded (at least) one incredible album and they work together for a decade or so.

This band already showed it can bring huge crowds to their shows. Did you already forget that three years ago, this band was the main act in every fucking single megafestival, with 70.000+ people at Rock In Rio, Donington, Rock Am Ring, and other slightly smaller festivals like Graspop, Natural, Gods Of Metal, Rockwave, etc? Did you already forget how this band sellout the Garden in 10 minutes in 2002 and then in 2006? How much time did the tickets for the australian tour in 2007 last?

you want the old band? There you have the corpse of Velvet Revolver, whose attendance average was a very sad 1.100 people / show. yeah, the ''real'' GNR who was the opening act for My Chemichal Romance at Download 2007  :rofl:


well, it sold 3 million copies worldwide in less than 6 months, and it ended 14th in the rank of most sold albums of 2008 with only one month in circulation...


who should I believe regarding the ''identity'' of Guns N' Roses? Axl, the legacy and history of this band, what I see in my Chinese Democracy cover and booklet, the music I hear, or a resentful moron like you?

There is only one Guns N' Roses, there is not a ''fake'' GNR and another ''real'' GNR. GN'R has only one (1) original member onstage since december 1991, and you wont call ''fake'' that band, dont you? GNR has historically changed its lineup, like many others band did.

You should not be in this forum. I am taking a look at your last posts and you do nothing but disrespect the GNR bandmembers and insulting the identity of this band with your ''real'' and ''fake'' bullshit. This is a place for GNR fans, and you're clearly not one. This is Guns N' Roses, thats the only and one reality. You choose to be a fan or not, no one forces you.

I hope this is true, die for seeing Gn'R onstage again but this rumour is too awkward, I think that maybe s a promoters thing as Jarmo wrote...  :-\

south America was also rumoured. It's not bad thing that promoters are trying to get GNR.

I'm not disappointed either way, when the time is right, we will all have our turn, until then go back to doing what you were doing before, cuz it never happened right  ;).

I hope Guns N' Roses hit the road in the near time.


If I learned something is wait until the date is announced on the official site. Kobetasonik Festival seemed to be a fact and then Beta dismissed all those rumours.

One of their lead guitarists joined the band last month. The other one joined 3 years ago.

No, Richard Fortus joined 7 years ago. Even almost 8 years ago because contrary to what people know, he didn"t join in 2002 but in late 2001. He also could have joined in 2000 instead of Buckethead (wich, in my opinion, would have been the best thing that could have happened to the new line-up) Richard Fortus was there before Buckethead, he played with the band (especially Tommy, Dizzy and Josh Freeze) way before Buckethead.

And for the "new band" thing, it's just what it is. Together for a decade? not really, they aren't the same guys than at RIR 2001.

There have been 6 guitarists in the band since 2001 : Paul Tobias (1996-2001), Robin Finck (1996-2007), Buckethead(2000-2001 and 2002-2004, he left a couple of month in 2001 and then came back), Richard Fortus (2001-Present), Bumblefoot (2006-Present) and now DJ Ashba (2009).

Not "no", yes!

Bumblefoot joined three years ago, DJ joined a few months ago AND Richard in 2002.

You're all correct.



/jarmo

I edited my post to add a few precisions  8)
In fact Richard is around since 2000 but had the final call in the fall of 2001, and started touring in 2002  :P

Same thing happened in Norway....

Some promoter here in Stavanger started a rumour, that they were in contact with GN'R and that contracts were actually signed. And when they're asked by journalists from newspapers on the matter, they neither confirm or deny!

Seems like it's all part of "the game"....

Richard never played with the band back in 2000 from what I recall. He was talking with the band back then but then he never heard anything from them again until spring 2002. Please get your facts straight...

He made a session in 2000 to be the Lead Guitarist of the band but Axl chose BH instead. If Axl hadn't hired BH, Richard would have had the gig. Then Richard was told he would get the call next time. By late 2001 he had the call, joined the band on late 2001 and started playing on Spring 2002.

For your information, Richard has always been the main Guitarist in all the bands he's been in. He hasn't been given this opportunity in GN'R yet, so I hope he will. That's why I'm waiting for the next tour so much, to see how much responsabilities he will be given in the band now. I hope he will finally be given this chance and take most of Robin's parts and be a strong force in some new material, hopefully. He is made to be on Front Line. BBF and DJ Ashba should back him up, but to me, the main Guitarist is Richard now.

Anyway, we're a little bit of topic, that's not the subject  :P


PS: what happened between cd.com and newgnr.com? Why did they separate? you can answer me by PM if you want. I never understood what happened there. Thanks.

No that's not the way it happened.....

From an interview Richard did last year:

How surprising. The Fortus Super Fan has turned a thread about a rumored gig into a Fortus history lesson.


Great guitar player, wrong thread.





/jarmo

Ok, my bad, I thought he did the session. You're right.  8)


Yes I know it's the wrong topic. You're right too.

Seems like I'm wrong to everything today  :hihi:


Back on Topic, no problem. 8)

Iron Maiden change a lot of his members, but always play the old and new songs, and everybody thing is all right. Guns do it too, what's the problem? I wanna hear the chinese democracy songs, but I wanna hear the old songs too, I'm a fan of this band since 1989 and I wanna hear every album of the band.

P.S.: Sorry for my english.

No problem with that at all.  Just, in relation to Velvet Revolver, you can see how they struggle more with attendance to shows because there not playing many Guns n Roses songs (2-3) and dont have the name.  I know it wasn't you but somebody above was mocking VR for not having bigger attendances, which is very hard when not playing old GNR hits.  They also play a lot more shows to smaller crowds

Slas has distanced himself from GNR? I sure don't get that impression.

Wow!

Another Slash vs. Axl debate.

How original.

Exactly.




/jarmo

Those of you still harping over the GnR name issue ALL THESE YEARS LATER need to fuck off and go somewhere else already.  sick of that bullshit.   Axl kept the GnR name.   Accept it or fuck off.  I'm tired of hearing about it.

On topic, hope the show happens.  Isreal hasn't seen Guns N' Roses in almost 16 years, so they are due for a show or two right?

Nice editing.  Cool way of getting one point across.  : ok:

think a show in israel may present some kind of security threat? given the situation in that part of the world :-\

This thread has nothing to do with your guitar hero American Idol.




/jarmo

I was in Israel 3 weeks ago, no problem, it's calm right now :)
Just don't put your feet into the palestinian territories because that's where it's really dangerous, it's full of Islamist terrorists. But as long as you stay in Israel with the Israelis, you're at home. I took a drink at the Sheraton Hotel, the Hotel was full of Americans and I remember I was thinkin' "that would be a great Hotel for GN'R".  they feel like home in Israel  ;)

I know, i created the thread.  And it wasn't me that kicked off first.

I'm sure they would be given a security team big enough to handle any problems should they play there.

From The Jerusalem Post...

May 14, 2009

Meanwhile, local media have been reporting that final negotiations are underway to bring Madonna here as the closing date of her worldwide Sticky and Sweet tour. The show would take place around the High Holidays, with the singer expected to stay here for a few days. And Guns N' Roses, with Chinese Democracy finally off its back, are also pencilled in for a late-summer or autumn show, according to Channel 1. The band played here in 1993, but only frontman Axl Rose remains from that lineup.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1242212370169&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

wasn't dizzy reed part of the band in 93?

so now your criticizing the Jerusalem Post?

I think he's correcting the false information.



/jarmo

Dizzy is not an original member, that's probably what it means in the article.

yea like tracii Guns,  Ole Beich and Rob Gardner were original members.

The worst thing about these "unconfirmed" dates is that when this, in all likelihood, is confirmed as being false, people will start bitching and moaning about how Axl screwed them again.   :hihi:

not on this board.

That's good.

Unfortunately, regardless of whether those slanderous posts are allowed to stay here, the perception remains w/ some fans and the general public, nonetheless. Reuters or Blabbermouth will run some "GNR back out of tour plans" bullshit. Next thing you know, the shit storm will kick off from the dense and clueless. That's the part alot of fans overlook. These "innocent" rumors can really have a negative impact on the band and their image.

Well, the Jerusalem Post says "pencilled in" meaning tentatively...I'm not sure of the wording in the original article.

We'll have to wait and see, I hope it's true.  :)

I have no idea.

"The first and only time Guns N 'Roses played Israel was in July 1993 at the Park Hayarkon in Tel Aviv. That show has been considered since, one of the worst in the band's history.

It seems that it's time for Axl Rose and his new band to be given a chance to correct the impression that the old band gave the Israeli audience. (Mako)"


This?
 
In the middle of the set, the band break into a rousing rendition of "Hava Nagila". Axl wears a Guns N' Moses t-shirt. (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/history/history93.php)

Other than that, don't know.....

maybe something was lost in the translation....of google or of the writer
16 years ago...I doubt the writer themselves went to the show.

Here is "Live and Let Die" from the Paul Mc Cartney Show last year at Park Ayarkon (Tel Aviv) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzkXV26M_8k

as you can see, it won't be easy to bring so many people. It's a 50.000 people venue. Park Ayarkon is big.

So...how is this thing going?


Didn't see any dismissal so I guess we can have some hopes