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Slash Surprises Kids at Belvedere Middle School

03.27.2009

On March 25, Gibson and Epiphone signature artist Slash made a surprise appearance at East Los Angeles' Belvedere Middle School to support the national music education organization Little Kids Rock.

Slash visited the program's music room, treating 30 lucky students to a Q&A session and jamming with them on guitar to the tune of Guns N Roses' song "Sweet Child O Mine."

He also signed four Epiphone acoustics as gifts to the school. Little Kids Rock brings Music education to schools that have been left behind due to budget cuts. The organization uses unique methodology that teaches kids to play instruments by focusing on the popular music that they love. They cover styles such as rock, funk, blues and hip hop. Heavy emphasis is placed upon composition, improvisation and recording. As a result, their students regularly record and release their own CDs and rock videos.

Photos: http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/ArtistsAndEvents/Stories/Slash-Surprises-Kids-327/

Video: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/03/28/little.kids.rock.cnn

he's such a swell guy

what class

there is no one cooler

what an awesome guy..  not only is he a great guitar player, he has a heart of gold.  :love:

Do it for the kids!

You don't have to be such a sarcastic ass all the time.

In a related story involving Axl,....... oh wait he's not doing a damn thing for anybody let alone kids.

its organizations like this that give a voice to the new generations of mucisions that cant give there own voice out there yet and i love it :peace:

Say what?  ::)

In a related story, everybody doesn't publicize their charity work.




/jarmo

I don't get it. You accuse others of trolling the GNR board to badmouth the new band but you're the first to comment when somone posts Slash news.


I'm glad you found a way to put a negative spin on this  : ok:

Give credit where credit is due.  The ones putting a negative spin on people's charity work are Jim Bob and gilld1.

no its cool, i think what he did here was cool and didn't mean to put a neg spin on it.   

i was just saving some people from having to post.

not sure what Axl has to do with this gilld1? 

lunsjail, don't quite get what you are saying. .  if i was on a slash fansite, you'd have a point.

I have to say, for a "surprise" appearance...I was surprised to see CNN there.:D

I'm glad you found my reality check to be negative even after someone used this public display of charity against Axl (not a VR member).



Wow!




/jarmo

Jim Bob: You are posting in a thread about Slash in the VR section of this board. Just saying you spend a lot time commenting on a man that you obviously hate.

And so what if CNN is there? I guess you're saying Slash is being a media whore by bringing attention to a worthy cause.

This has really gotten disappointing.


How anyone can make anything negative out of charity work, regardless of who does it, seriously needs to give themselves a wake up call.

I agree, the amount of Slash hate has gotten a little ridiculous but here's the math:

I support Axl + Axl hates Slash = I hate Slash = I'm a mindless drone

I am a huge fan of both and don't really care what one thinks of the other.

Axl visiting a cancer ward is great and awesome

Slash doing what he does is great and awesome as well

I stand corrected. Removing foot from mouth!!

I had no idea Axl had made such a visit.  I was just being a smartass to JB because I thought his comments were uncalled for.  it's great any time a celeb pushes aside the bullshit and visits kids or those hospitalized.

Slash did something nice and charitable so why can't we leave it at that? Why bring Axl into this when this story has nothing to do with him? Afterall, I'm sure Axl has done some nice things for people also that had nothing to do with Slash. Can't Slash and Axl stories be talked about separately? They both pretty much have said that they won't be getting together muscially again.

Wait...Slash is a cancer according to some.
Wonder if Axl will be visiting him!!!

Just kidding guys! couldnt resist.

PS: i think JB was being sincere

Nice of them both!  : ok:

And Jim Bob was being sincere, and guild1 admits he was standing corrected, so then every things ok?  :beer:

Lets try make this board more positive from both "sides" because this is a cool site, I love Slash, I love Axl, fuck the drama, most of us love em because of music, and they're both great musicians no matter what! :peace:

Yay!  We're all happy for once!

Smart money says Belvedere Middle School, Gibson/Epiphone and the "Little Kids Rock"
foundation probably had a hand in "publicizing" Slash's appearance....

I would bet the only parties "surprised" were the kids themselves...

This REALLY made me laugh!!! GREAT POST!!!!  : ok:

At times the arguments between the "Axl" and the "Slash" camps are getting REALLY ridiculous.  :rofl:

It's become mindless repetetive drivel (on both sides) baited and perpetuated by the usual suspects.

I take no personal stock in either man or either side these days...

I agree with you but I dont think thats gona happen on this site sorry.

True but its people that cant think for themselfs about being musicly open that get on my nerves I love the music from both Slash and Axl and think they are both great at what they do.

It will never happen on this site or any other GNR/VR/Axl/Slash site on the net.

The fanbase is irrevocably split with no signs of objective compromise from either of the "extremist" sides.

Welcome to what it been like for people who have supported the current band over the last 10 years !

 :-*

Yeh but it doesnt help when Jarmo not only promotes, but instigates this drivel.
I understand it must be extremely irritating having all the criticism of Axl on the main GNR forum, but surely the years and years of no communication, continual dissapointments, late starts, no shows, etc etc etc are to blame for this and the Slash factor is merely a contributing factor at best.

But the way to deflect criticism is to blame everyone else.

I find it almost embarrassing to be a GNR fan at times and the weirdo extremists on both sides that consider themselves 'true' fans, whilst the rest of normal society who are fans of both guys, and the MUSIC become the fringe element as time goes on.

I bet 99% of your posts are drivel.


My opinion is that when CNN shows up for s surprise charity event, somebody definitely wanted some attention.

I didn't say Slash did because I don't know. But from experience, he doesn't seem to dislike attention.



When people start using these news stories as some kind of example of what a great person he is compared to those who do their charity work more quietly, I'll point it out.





/jarmo

"Perla, I want to do something private and special just for these kids, call CNN and get them to come down there!"

Look I dont know about the media aspect but from what I gather Slash has done benefits/ appearances/ protests etc for /against wars / animal shelters/zoos, bands/etc etc etc......and Is it Slash that let the media know about this or his management ??  ( remember tours get booked without the bands knowledge :)  etc etc etc.......I wouldnt have a clue.

All I realistically can know is its a nice thing to do.

Who made the media aware of Axl's cancer ward visit??? Dunno.....Dont care......

I grew up around seriously agenda based ideological religious freaks that were TOTALLY unable to accept that theyre point of view was wrong and that the other guys opinion had validity..........this site has gone so far that way it's scary.....

Quick answer from a board crew standpoint, his board - his rules.

There are some who continually come to the site (all sections) only to troll, bait etc under the universal cloak of "well, it's a GNR board".  With that being the case, those should also realize Axl and company could possibly be brought up in any thread within this section since it is indeed still a "GNR board".


That's the way it's always been in the GNR/Slash/Axl world, don't expect change anytime soon.


I think most who don't reside on the extremist side echo those feelings, the "fringe element" has indeed become the fans who take no personal stock in the parties involved but remain fans based on the music alone.
  

Thanks Falcon.

A voice of reason :)

Start a site man :).....A GNR site that offers open and honest discussion ( deleting extremists from either side) would be a godsend.

Back on topic....was a nice thing to do, regardless of spin doctoring people are attaching to it.

You're welcome. :)


Just a voice, nothing more nothng less.


Sorry, not a chance in hell.


Of course it was, regardless of perceived agenda/motive etc...

If Axl and GN'R is the main discussion topics in the VR section, why do we need a VR section?

Surely you can see the nonsense in that and understand just why we'd rather keep this section free of those topics?





Why is it always scary to be supportive? Why is it considered being a brainwashed freak if you chose to support your favorite band/team instead of supporting those who try to put it down?

What exactly is freaky about being positive?


I've been called a nazi and now a freak. Only because I chose how I run my own site and what kind of people I'd rather have around.

Why is it that those who point out the stupidity of your whining are freaks?

It seems like only those who whine are considered to have "valid points".


Funny how that works. If you point out the opposite, you're an ass kissing nazi.

If you spend time whining about GN'R on a GN'R site, you're a level headed objective super fan.


It's always your kind who are the "normal" ones. You're always the poor victims of the nazi freaks who are scary.



Maybe the real problem is that people like you don't like being told to shut the fuck up and keep your negative bullshit to yourselves?


By the way, maybe you need to realize that we have valid points too?

You know, that we're not interested in having a site full of people like you who only whine, whine, whine. That's fucking boring if you ask me. But no, you can't see any validity in that!

It's like having a party full of people who just whine about the music, the people there, the food, the venue and tell you how much better their party would be, if they just got their thumbs out of their asses and organized one.




/jarmo

Haha, right on. To be honest, when I started coming to online GN'R message boards like ten years ago I was surprised to find fans who weren't really fans. I mean, isn't that kind of the point of having a fan site, for fans to come together and celebrate their favourite band? Back when terms like "axlites" was popular. Fuck, I had a hard time believing that supporting Guns in what they do was being an ass-kissing "axlite", it was natural for me to be a supportive fans and I guess I made the mistake of expecting other fans to be the same way. Hell, if I had a problem with Guns N' Roses in any way I'd just listen to the music and stay off the forums.

Why is it always scary to be supportive? Why is it considered being a brainwashed freak if you chose to support your favorite band/team instead of supporting those who try to put it down?

What exactly is freaky about being positive?


I've been called a nazi and now a freak. Only because I chose how I run my own site and what kind of people I'd rather have around.

Why is it that those who point out the stupidity of your whining are freaks?

It seems like only those who whine are considered to have "valid points".


Funny how that works. If you point out the opposite, you're an ass kissing nazi.

If you spend time whining about GN'R on a GN'R site, you're a level headed objective super fan.


It's always your kind who are the "normal" ones. You're always the poor victims of the nazi freaks who are scary.



Maybe the real problem is that people like you don't like being told to shut the fuck up and keep your negative bullshit to yourselves?


By the way, maybe you need to realize that we have valid points too?

You know, that we're not interested in having a site full of people like you who only whine, whine, whine. That's fucking boring if you ask me. But no, you can't see any validity in that!

It's like having a party full of people who just whine about the music, the people there, the food, the venue and tell you how much better their party would be, if they just got their thumbs out of their asses and organized one.




/jarmo



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LOVE IT!!!  My thoughts exactly on more than a few areas on here.

^makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

It depends on how/why he/they was brought up. 

Did someone go fishing looking for reaction knowing their post would be protected under the "Well, this is a GNR board" shield?


It's a tough call, especially when VR seems to be on the back burner.  I suspect the
same ridiculous back and forth by the usual suspects would spill into the "Ex Gunners"
section.


Of course I do.

Problem is, when any topic arises the same people come with the same repetetive extremist blather baiting the other side invoking the opposite extremist response.

It's all trickle down, a split fanbase with blind loyalty to one side or the other.

Axl is usually brought up once there's something negative about Slash....

It's the general theme.





/jarmo

Is it extremist to support the current incarnation of the band?

It's completely understandable that people who support GNR don't want to read negative bullshit about the band. But this thread is more about people who think supporting GNR also means putting a negative spin on anything Slash does (including visiting kids at a school?!?).

Many of you think it's stupid to shit on the current GNR lineup because Slash isn't in it. It's just as stupid to shit on Slash because he's not in the current GNR lineup.

of course!  I mean to even be on a fansite for a band you support when you are actually a fan of that band?   Thats insane!

In other words - "the bait".  Necessitated by the same people looking for someone to invariably bite.

For every action there's a reaction.  The actions seem to be sustained under the "It's a GNR site, the reactions overuled because "It's a GNR site".

It comes down to separating the "Bait" from general praise or critical points of view and the
related replies that follow and the elimination of that element in general.

You gotta love how this thread went from "Slash does something positive" to "Slash is a media whore for doing this" to another pity party for fans who "support" Axl and the current GNR. Well played guys!  ::)

Absolutely not.

It's extremist (on both sides) to follow blindly and redirect criticism/blame according to their allegiances.

There's too much Kool Aid and a segment of followers of each seem to be over the legal limit..

It's the Slash fans who'd love to switch focus.

Axl has very little to do with whatever Slash/VR are doing.



If it's not about Axl, then it's about me and how we run this site.

Those two topics seem to be a favorite among the VR fans who frequent this section.





/jarmo

Jarmo, I think what disco12 is getting at is the absolute blind fanaticism of some Axl fans on this site.  Some have lost their objectivity.  It as is if Axl were to come out and say that the sky was red there would be 10-12 people on here talking about how he was right and the rest of us who say the sky is blue are trolls, non-fans, haters, etc.

I'm all for being a big fan of a band but there comes a time when you have to call a spade a spade.

Focus is switched when bait is laid.

IE.

Slash did something "charitable" or used a "particular producer"..

Bait: He did it solely because he's a "media whore" or out for a "cash grab".

If baiting posts in the GNR section (or any section) such as "Axl is crazy and Chinese Democracy sucks" were allowed don't you think Axl fans would react with "Well, Slash is a liar and Libertad flopped"?

Boom.

Focused shifted.

So?

Seriously, why do you have to be "objective"? We're fans! We're not supposed to be objective. Not even journalists are objective.

And that's supposed to be their job.....


Can you listen to a new track by your favorite artist and be completely objective? Either you hope it'll be awesome or you try to be "objective" and look for faults.

I happen to prefer the first kind of people here.

The kind who don't write off a new band member based on some fucking photos!



This is a rock band, not a life and death matter. So being biased isn't exactly a must.

I don't see any problem with believing in what the band says either.

Being objective seems to be about thinking you know everything, having limited knowledge and judging the band based on the little you know.



The bigger problem is those who cling onto the whole "objectivity" and question everything in the name of objectivity!

You have to question everything, you have to call Axl a liar, because if you don't, you're not a sane objective person.

I don't buy that mentality.

The whole idea that you have to be negative and complain on a fan site is just a waste of time.

If an artists constantly upset your and brings you down, shouldn't you find something that actually makes you happy? Why the fuck would you choose to dwell on shit year after year when the artist only causes you to be upset?







/jarmo

Yeah but not all charities are created equal.

Slash is raising awareness for music programs in schools. So charity functions like these NEED publicity so people become aware of the need and support it. Slash using his fame to help the school and in turn getting a little pub for it is a win win situation.

There is a huge troll thread in Bad Obsession with the Bon jovi vs whoever band.

I know, I will get hugely pissed if I go in that thread so I stay out of it.

U Jim Bob seem to post about Slash JUST to piss people off. U and then Gilee started this entire thing but u were the main catalyst. Had u not posted, this thread would be about a page long with no argument.

here's an idea: stop reacting to my posts.

see my sig

Maybe if u didn't incite the Supporters over every small thing, maybe they wouldn't be heard from.

LOL@ u not wanting people to react to your posts. U wouldn't have posted that if u didn't want people to react.

Case in point, see above.

Insight is always better than incite...

The bait was eaten and the fish has died of food poisoning...

It's a lose/lose all the way around.

Mods, huh?

The guy even admits hes trolling, yet nothing is done? If someone did this shit in the main section, he would've been banned years ago.
I know this is the "uncool" section, but what the fuck, come on already.

Surely anyone could post all kind of negative opinions in any of the threads in, say, the Bad Obsession section and justify it by saying this is a GNR site??

If someone comes to a GN'R site posting shit about GN'R, yes. It makes sense.


What some of you still fail to see after all these years is that not all GN'R fans are in love with VR, Adler's Appetite or any other side projects.

If you want to hang out with a pro-Slash crowd, go find a Slash forum. They do exist.


The guy's a GN'R fan, the rest I don't care about. I don't give a fuck if he owns the Adler's Appetite EP or Snakepit albums.





You don't think it happens?





/jarmo

lets call it the 'lame' section.   "uncool" reminds me of one of bumblefoot's albums and its way better than that vr shit ;)

i'm not trolling.   the difference between the GNR section and this one has been explained time and time again.

if you are looking for slash love, find a slash board.  like jarmo said, they do exist.   i promise i wont join.

Understood.

I thought the following gentle form of "moderation"  may deter repeat offender(s)..


It obviously didn't.

I understand that not everyone "loves" VR or the older Guns, but why even have this section if everything is allowed, just as long as you are a "gn'r fan"?

I just thought it would be cool to read news from both the new and old Guns from the same site, without having some guy(s) posting pointless shit to every thread and drifting them to the same 'ol every single time.

"the difference between the GNR section and this one" what is it? That you post more stupid shit here than in the GN'R section?
Keep on quoting other people, thats what you're good at.

But, and pardon me for interjecting here, if you go by that logic, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of having an Ex-GN'R member section, doesn't it? It might as well be removed. It's not so much about Slash-loving or Axl-loving for me, it's more about being able to have an civil conversation about matters that might be related to any current or former member without it turning into a pile of shit for no good reason. And if the rules of the main secton do not extend to the ex-member section, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

And for anyone looking to jump down my throat, trust me, I know this is Jarmo's board and I have in the past been one to tell other people that it's quite simple, if you don't like it, leave, and I would (although I am pretty hard to offend). I am simply just giving my opinion on something that doesn't make sense to me.

The other alternative is to have all the VR fans polluting the other sections with their threads....  ;)

It would take up valuable space from bands such as Pearl Jam and Depeche Mode.


The amazing thing is that many of the Slash fans claim to be objective. It's kinda ironic that they are the ones objecting to criticism of Slash's antics.




/jarmo

Ok, but my point is more, if you're going to have a VR section, shouldn't it and those who choose to post there be able to have their threads unpolluted by those who wish to only post valid posts in the main section? I don't want people coming into the main GN'R section and talk shit about GN'R, just as much as I don't want to see it happening in the VR section, it just makes it unpleasant. And again, Jarmo, it's within your full right to tell me a simple "no" and that you want it that way. It is your board and I cannot argue with that, I'm just asking for clarification on something I really don't understand.

As I've said, I don't expect all GN'R fans to like VR.

So if there are some who have a bit more neutral stance on the band, it's kinda expected.



If you think this section isn't moderated, you're wrong.





/jarmo

I really don't think anything, that is why I asked. I was more refering to this particular situation where it seemed as if it was ok to come in and stir things up. But fair enough, you've answered and that's all I asked for.

Have a good one.

he speaks the truth.  i think all my neg karma is from falcon for something i said in this section.

There is a difference between being "Critical" and flat out "Trolling"

Jim Bob isn't critical in these sections. He posts here JUST to enrage the people who are fans. That is trolling. We know u don't like Slash, so there is no need to constantly bash every single little thing he does just because you think in doing so, it somehow makes u more of a GNR fan.

I've never seen someone more openly "Audition" for a Mod spot or something in my life, it just makes me nutty.


I hate U2's new album, but u don't see me in the U2 section every day posting how much I hate the album and the band cause that is what trolling is. Does trolling happen in the GNR section, yes it does and it is handled swiftly.


I think trolling on any section shouldn't be allowed on the entire forum.


if Slash plays SCOM  with Fergie and u hate it.... it isn't trolling saying how much u hate it.

when the fucking guy is raising awareness for a great cause and u still somehow manage to post the same venom laced, sarcastic stuff, that is trolling.

So it is ok to come into this section just to talk trash?

Thats not what I do.   I am interested in whats going on with things involving guys like Izzy, Buckethead, Robin.. etc.

So it is ok to come into every post about Slash/VR just to talk trash?

Fixed to clarify.

Really, Slash hasn't been in GnR since 1996.    I don't think it matters.

If this was a Slash/VR board, I would not be here.  ;D

You sure do spend enough time in the Slash/VR section to make one wonder, though.

Technically this section is a VR board.

damn  Belvedere Middle School is far from my place

woops meant to say not far from my place  :rofl:

What's that have to do with whether or not it's ok to come and talk trash in every thread/post about him?  Never said you had to be a supporter of his just wonder what the attraction to Slash is for you to bring you to just about every post about him or the band he is in since you obviously love.......... I mean loathe him.

Besides that you must have a guilty conscience as the post wasn't directed at you but to Jarmo since he runs the site and has a better handle on the rules of what's allowed and what isn't.

I like the fact Axl made such a low key visit to meet some sick kids at a hospital, and nobody really found out about it until a long time after. But that's not to say it isn't great of Slash to make the time to meet students at a school, even if CNN was conveniently there to report about it.

Such high profile artists might have so much more demands of their time, yet they still make the effort for charitable visits like this.. Whatever their personal motivation is in it is their own business. Good on them for ultimately agreeing to it.

We can love Axl and Slash. We can love them both. 99% of the fans love them both. Only 1% are into this stupid war.
Slash will always be part of Guns N' Roses, forever and ever, he will always be remembered as THE guitarist of Guns N' Roses and the Leader of the band with Axl.
Always, even in 100 years. There's nothing you can do against that. You can't rewrite the History.

This whole "Axl VS Slash" is childish and pointless. It's like a mother/father feud, don't ask a children to choose.

Both made the History of the band and the History of Rock n' Roll  :peace:

As Slash said, this is becoming sorta like "whatever!"

What a magnificant, thought-provoking quote.

Heres how i see it.

Jarmo runs the site, hes very into and supportive of the new band . With personal connections to them who wouldnt.

Jarmo will argue and defend Guns N Roses. You can debate with him and he will give as good as he get. Ive done it many times, but one thing you dont do. Is get personal with him, whats the point. Its just two contrasting opinions on a music forum board. Fine, argue, theres no denying a forum would be somewhat pointless if there were not multiple opinions. But if you get all personal on his ass, he will just rape you.

JimBob, he loves the newer line ups. You cant take that away from the guy. BUT, honestly JimBob, you do often come into threads saying the same old stuff and argueing. So often its easy to stereotype and make up a "JimBob" post.


Its nice Slash helped out Charity. You wonder why theres another Axl VS Slash argument. Here is your answer.

First reply (unless others before have been deleted, then i do apologise, but this is what i saw when i came in)


Cause that isnt gonna cause an argument?

Youve come into the VR section, of the forum JimBob. Of a band you claim to not have any interest in. Read a thread not really anything to do with music or politics of axl n slash. And start shit up. WTF do you expect, gracious replies?

Dude, this is over a charity event!!!  What thought could that possibly provoke from anyone? 

I didn't expect you Slash fans to get it. That quote was from Slash himself over an entirely different issue, namely Axl finally setting the record straight as far as Slash is concerned and Slash' reply was the very elequant "dude um it's like whatever".

Which is why i said above, "as Slash said!".  What else would you expect Slash to say anyways?  If someone called you a "cancer", how on earth would you respond?  Its a ridiculous statement anyways.  Such a statement isnt exactly "setting the record straight" either.  Its a tired low blow.  So as I said above, this whole thread has now become "whatever".  Its not of any interest to anyone.  Its just mindless bickering.

But this is the Slash/VR section and you are here. :confused:



On a completely different note, wasn't today or yesterday like exactly a year since Weiland got fired?

slash fans crack me up

JimBob officially ran out of comebacks

yesterday last year was there last show in amsterdam i believe.  And yeah, looks like Jim Bob has ran outta things to say here.

No, I just don't need to respond to some of the bullshit.  Slash isn't in GnR.   This site isn't dedicated to him.   There are sites dedicated to him.    I promise not to join them.    Whats the problem?

If I'm pissing off Slash fans by expressing my opinions, I don't really give a shit.  Sorry, I just don't.  

So why spend SO much time commenting in the VR section.  Not that I care anyways, but i believe you told me to "fuck off" when I commented in the GNR section about the axl/Del James interview.  It was considered trolling.  Fair enough, this is a GNR site, but it has a VR section!  Thats were we talk about VR.  Don't bother commenting here at all if you don't like VR. 

But this is a section of this board dedicated to ex members such as Slash.

And I don't know what it's doing on this board in the first place, being that that loose-lipped fuck is not member of Guns N' Roses and hasn't been in a very long time.

Again though, many fan's actually like to read about ex members' news.  Could it be that after the release of Chinese Democracy, all of a sudden there is no relevant news in the GNR section and still no tour announced, so you come here just to start arguments?

Alright guys, the back and forth BS is officially getting old.

Cease and desist.

We all understand this is a GNR site with a VR section.

If you're not into VR or it's members, this probably isn't the best portion of the site to spend your time posting for reactionary purposes.

Clear enough for everyone?

.

Thank you.  Perfectly clear to me.   

Not really.

So I have to be a VR fan to comment about them on a GN'R site?

That makes very little sense.

You fail to see the distinction between VR fans, GN'R fans who also like VR and GN'R fans who are curious about the former members' current activities without being fans of their bands.

Maybe Jim Bob is curious to know that Duff has a new band and maybe he'll even listen to them to see what they're like. He has that choice, but because he's not a VR fan he's not allowed to comment?



A bunch of GN'R fans still like to keep track of what those guys are doing because of their past history in GN'R. Doesn't mean they have to like everything.



And before you Slash fans go on and say the same applies to GN'R, that you don't have to like anything Axl does, well this is a GN'R site.

So it's assumed you like GN'R (2009).

If you stopped liking GN'R in 1996, you might need some other site dedicated to nostalgia.  : ok:



So, in short, this section is not for Slash fans, it's for GN'R fans who also like/are curious about the ex-members' current activities.

That seems to confuse some of you because you seem to think this is some kind of Slash fans' safe haven.





/jarmo

You know how I meant it Jarmo, no reason to go into semantics to explain your reasoning.

Your site, your rules.

Just making it clear.

I don't own Libertad because the songs I heard sucked. If people think that means I'm not allowed to comment on whatever Duff, Matt or Slash does in 2009, think again.



/jarmo

Crystal.

Your point about Jimbob is slightly twisted Jarmo. He can check up, but he doesnt choose to check up. He chooses to start shit up all the time.

Can I listen to a new song from a fave band and be objective?  Yes, absolutely.  I love Radiohead but objectively I can say that Kid A and Amenesiac do not have the same song power as OK Computer or The Bends.  When I bought Pearl Jam's Binaural I hoped it was gonna be awesome but it wasn't.  Was I supposed to lie to myself and say that it was?  As a GnR fan I'm not gonna lie to myself and say that OMG or Silkworms were great songs.

I guess when it comes to music being objective is subjective.  Personally, I think This I Love is horrible but others think it is great.  I am being objective for my tastes when comparing it to other GnR songs.  Make sense?

So when Marilyn Manson had a t-shirt that said kill your parents, did you kill your parents?  Or did you objectively lookat that and think "That's not my cup of tea."  I guess I do come from the school of Question Everything.  IMO you can't afford not to in the world that we live in.  If not then you end up sending a bunch of money to some "king" in Africa ;D

You're missing jarmo's point entirely. If you come to a fan forum (key word: fan) to post, you're expected to be supportive, hence the word "fan". If you want to be "objective", why not go post on a neutral board like on mtv.com or something and not a Guns N' Roses fan forum. If at least half of your posts are of the kind "I think Axl owes us an explanation" or "I'm starting to doubt everything that goes on in the GN'R world" lately, then you've really come to the wrong place.

So what you are saying he is saying is that you have to be a blind foollower to come to this site and enjoy this band?

Or at least that's what is preferred here?

I don't think anyone thinks you're not allowed to comment on VR at all if you don't like them, it's just that people tend to get annoyed with repeated comments with the same basic theme. There's a difference between saying (or implying) you're not a fan of something and leaving it at that and saying it whenever you get the chance, even when Slash is doing something for charity.

That's perfectly fine. But if someone ridiculously tries to turn a visit to promote music in schools (whether it's Slash or anyone else) into a negative thing then they're going to get called out for it. That's all that was happening in this thread.



That seems to be more and more the direction it's headed for.

Think about it. What the fuck does Axl owe you? In his own words, not one goddamn thing. The man is creating music. We don't help him do it, we don't pay him to do it, we don't know him personally. So that means that if you come here and criticize him under the shield of being a "fan", you're just some person ragging on another guy's work and accomplishments. Where the fuck is the sense in that? Doesn't make any sense to me. What is your right to do that? Because he's a public figure and put his work out there? Leave him alone or support him. It could never enter my head to come here and try to tell him what he should do. Do strangers do that at your work? If you support him, great, if you don't, get the fuck out because this place is clearly not intended for people like you.

So a fan can't question a band's actions?  You have to be a sheeple to post here?  Sorry, but I am never gonna be like that.  I am sure to some this will make me less of a fan but that would be a shortcut to thinking.

Jarmo, u know what Falcon was talking about.

He was talking about people like Jim Bob who "CLAIM" to hate Slash, constantly coming into Slash threads to start shit which he does.

That isn't needed and isn't necessary and serves no purpose whatsoever but to start fights and shit.

I don't care if people hate Slash. If u think he is a liar: Fine, If u think his music today sucks: Fine  but posting stuff to consciously start fights with people is ridiculous.

Slash raised awareness for a charity. Kind of hard to raise awareness with no publicity, that defeats the purpose. Visiting a Cancer ward is a totally different thing.

when u are doing charity work for a place that needs funding, its a good idea to get press out of that cause people will make donations.


For Jim Bob to come into a positive thread and start with the same ole shit, it just isn't warranted.

when Slash's Solo CD comes out, if he wants to go ahead and write up his review right now before its even released about how much it sucks, that is fine.

I just don't think its fair to have two separate sets of rules

We don't pay him to do it? are u fucking high?

Who buys the albums, tickets, merchandise etc? U do realize that is how he gets paid right?

Also, hell yeah at my job if I don't do it right, I will get sued, fired or possibly jailed, so hell yeah it matters how u do your job.

How much do you pay Axl? What salary do you give him to work on his music? As far as I know, he has a contract with a record label and he makes his own music on his terms. End of story. We pay for the fucking product, like we pay for any other product. We don't pay him to make it.

U missed my edit

sure we pay him

buying albums, concert tickets, merchandise.

If the fans didn't buy it, he would have no money

Actually, if you think about it, we do pay him.  He is in the position he is in because of the fans, same for every famous musician/actor/athlete etc.

What is my right to do that?  Freedom of speech, thought, opinion.

Leave him alone or support him?  Why does it have to be so black and white?  There is a vast difference between support and blind support.

My point still stands. Why wouldn't he have money then? Because we fired him? No. He gets paid because he is successful at what he does. We didn't hire him, he made his own career that has nothing to do with us as individuals. What right do we have to criticize his work?

There aren't 2 seperate sets of rules. There is one set of rules and then no rules when it comes to bagging on Slash. Supposedly there is an ex-members section so GNR "fans" can check out what Izzy, Robin, Bucket, etc. are doing. But somehow those people choose to post about Slash instead. I don't know why they don't get it over with and just fuckin delete anything to do with Slash.


The same right people have to criticize Slash's work.

If AFD didn't sell well GnR would have disappeared or still be playing in small bars.  The fans made GnR and Axl no ifs ands or buts about it.

If a band doesn't sell, they get dropped by the label.  he is successful because fans, us as individuals, buy his albums and tix.

Well I don't pose as a fucking Slash fan, that's the difference! So because we buy Axl's products, we own him? We don't have a right to tell him how to manage his own career that has nothing to do with us or tell him how to make his music! He has enough critics, if you call yourself a fan you should support him.

plus.

People get moaned at for questioning Axl at anytime. JimBob moans at people for doing that. Yet he has a free ticket to do the exact same thing about a different artist.

its hypocritical.

He is successful because he is damn good at what he does!

Yeah but all entertainers are paid "by the fans"


I don't know how u can argue that.....

Who is saying they own Axl?  To say he owes his success to his fans is an absolute truth.

Yeah he is paid by the fans but he is successful because of what he does.
We don't have anything to do with what he accomplishes, we are passive buyers, so what gives you the right to tell him how he should manage a career that has never had anything to do with you?

What the fuck are you talking about?  I never said he owed me shit.  As a matter of fact I never brought his name up.  I don't come to criticise no one.  I know on this site if you are going to do that whether it's warranted or not the mindless drones come out of the woodwork anyway.

What I don't get is why you and others think it's fine to do that to any of the ex members of this band but not Axl?

he is successful because fans buy his stuff.  There are plenty of talented people out there that don't have his degree of success i.e. fans.

Because its the internet and it is what people do.


All Entertainers are paid based on how well they perform AND connect with people.

If u don't sell albums or tickets, u aren't getting paid what people who do get paid.

There is a reason some bands are considered more successful than others.  Albums sold, tickets sold, money made.

Key word: EX-MEMBER! This site is dedicated to the current band called Guns N' Roses. That's the difference.

Dude, don't even get baited into this argument. "We don't pay him directly so we don't have a right to criticize" is one of the stupidest fucking statements I've ever heard in my life.

Also, how did this thread get turned into an argument about whether or not we support Axl. It was about Slash doing something for a good cause, people needlessly jabbing him for it, those people getting called out, and then it completely veered off topic when certain people ran out of solid points.

Who is telling him how to manage his career.  Where in the discussion did that even come up?  What the fuck?

Entertainers can be unsuccessful and great at what they do.

Success is based on what u accomplish.

If the fans don't like it, I don't give a shit how great u are, u aren't selling records or tickets therefore your talent will pretty much be u acting,singing or dancing to yourself.

And now because they are ex members you are allowed to talk trash? 

Pot meet keetle.

I was wondering that myself...

Are you seriously that thickheaded?  So if he wrote songs that no one bought would he still be successful?  There is no such thing as a passive buyer.

This forum has always had a "No Trolling" policy, I don't give a shit if its in the GNR section or the Jungle. there has always been a No Trolling policy which is why this forum has always been one of the best.


I remember when the political threads got axed due to trolling/arguments etc.


So just because it is about Slash, all of a sudden there are no rules?

That's the thing with you "objective real fans".

You think supportive equals "blind follower" and "ass kisser".


"I'm so objective and I go to a fan site to whine about shit I know nothing about because it's my right! I'm a real fan God damn it!  :crying: "


I'm not interested in catering to whiny fucks who are only interested in looking for faults in everything their "favorite" band does. All in the name of "objectivity".

If I want objective opinions on GN'R, I wouldn't fucking ask a supposed GN'R fan.

If I want to read about how much GN'R sucks, I wouldn't assume I'll find those people on a GN'R site. Seems like many of you do.

Weird thing.



You're as biased as the rest. The only difference is that you're so obsessed with the objectivity label that you can't enjoy things. The constant need to bash, ridicule and over analyze everything takes the upper hand, so there's no room to just enjoy the music for what it's for.

It's like you listen to the album looking for faults. You go to a show and look for people who aren't enjoying themselves so you can point it out in your "review".



Are you so clueless that you think I'd spend years building something, only to let it be used against the band? Where the fuck did you get that idea from?

Some of these real fans are so two faced it's not even funny. In tough times, they're against the band, in good times they're with the band.

The fans who were with the band through everything are labeled freaks, blind followers, ass kissers and brainwashed.



If you're that concerned about what other people think of you on the Internet. Then, wow!

Your image on the Internet is that of a "cool guy".

Awesome. Congratulations.






Nobody said that.

I'm just saying the Slash fans need to realize the people here might not be as pro-Slash as on his own fansites.

Some of them seem to get it confused.

"It's a VR section!"



Addition:

I understand that some of you are proud of the fact that you can think for yourselves and don't believe everything that's reported in the media etc.

"Think for yourself" and all that.

But nobody's ever explained why some fans of a rock band need to constantly question everything and assume they're being lied to?

Basically you're calling things bullshit just for the sake of doing so. It's your "right".

You might not know anything about the topic at hand, you're just using your right to be an objective free thinking real fan with conspiracy theories, so you call "bullshit!".

I mean, if you said "I agree" then you'd be one of those blind followers! That sounds so scary.... There goes your online image!




/jarmo

I do agree with u on that Jarmo. People spending time at concerts looking at other people......... I never quite understood that one.

I don't mind people being negative of Slash if they genuinely don't like something he does. But here lately it seems people are bashing just for the sake of bashing.

The difference is, people who are critical of GNR are fans at least somewhat. So posting about GNR is at least understandable even if they are somewhat negative.


People like Jim Bob who hates Slash's guts, I just don't understand why he spends so much time posting and talking about him.

I could see if it were in a thread where he was defending Axl or something against Slash, but here, he made the first post and it was blatant trolling.

Im not saying he does it every single post, but in this instance, he did.

So objectivity and enjoyment are mutually exclusive?

I, for one, don't look for faults in music.  I simply look for good tunes to enjoy.

I've been with GnR through thick and thin.  If I feel the need to say they fucked something up then it is my right to say so.

I'll explain this for you.


For some, this latest CNN reported charity event might just seem like yet another public appearance by the guy who loves attention.

So when he doesn't have a band recording/touring and get noticed that way, and his book has ran its course, then what can he do?

Public appearances at awards shows, selling his house on Ellen etc. It's like he never goes away from the spotlight.




I don't think anybody's said that doing charity work is bad, some might just comment at the way it was done (with cameras in place etc.).



When Bono starts getting more press for his charity work than his music, then you can expect some U2 fans to say "hey, wait a minute...."





If your mindset is set on being "objective", are you really giving the music or whatever else you're "reviewing" a chance?

Maybe in the back of your mind you're holding back because you start thinking "hey, I'm not objective here, the little fan boy in me is taking over! Oh my God!"....  :P


I just don't think anybody is objective.

You're biased one way or another.

We prefer those who support GN'R, the ones you call blind followers and freaks.






Does it make you feel better when you comment on shit you know nothing about?

In most cases, you don't know. But you're quick to point fingers.


/jarmo

I'm not trying to have some cool image on the internet, that's for other people.  Where in any of my posts have you got the impression I am trying to be some cool guy on the internet.  That's just you projecting shit onto me.  I'm not whining about shit actually I just don't understand the hypocritical stance of alot of the members around here.

Not even sure why you feel the need to single me out.  

Anways can I get an answer to this question:


A yes or no will do.

I replied to your post, but a lot of it was general ramblings.




Define trash.




/jarmo

In the grand scheme of things I would rather have Slash or whoever addicted to attention than heroin.

You're right to a degree, we are all biased.  But don't we all objectively look at songs and rate them?  That's how we pick and choose our faves, right?  Am I biased towards Guns when it comes to other bands?  yes, sure.  But I can also objectively look at their music and say that I think Rocket Queen is their best song.

So if I complain that I think CD should have rocked more then i have no clue what I am talking about?  If I complain that Axl took the stage 3 hours late (not trying to start anything here just an example) to a show I attended then I don't know what I'm talking about?  That's crazy talk.

If I may..

Repetetive attention seeking trolling to incite reaction based on allegiance to one side and dislike for another.

Yes or no?

I think there's a very small minority of people who repeatedly complain about GNR or Axl (and they usually are rightly banned pretty quick) and then when someone else who is generally positive about the band gives a criticism of some kind, they get lumped in with the small minority, which soon ends up looking a lot bigger than it actually is. I mean, most people here are generally supportive of GNR, but not everyone is going to agree with everything to do with the band. I'm sure that fans of any band are like that. So 99% of the time they support the band, but that 1% they have a different opinion gets more attention than it needs, because some perceive it as some kind of grand attack on the band. Or at least, that's how they choose to take it. Reading a comment, you can take it in a very different way than the person meant it.




If that made any sense. :-\







I would say so. : ok:

My thoughts just couldn't put the words together.

That makes perfect sense. But it seems that anything pro-Slash is now being viewed as anti-GNR since we heard from up on high that he is a "cancer". I think you can still criticize some things. For example, I don't care for TIL and have said so in that thread to little or no reaction from others. But there seems to be some unhealthy obsession with Slash.

In Axl's own words, Your misconceptions and false sense of entitlement do not dictate his actions.

So if somebody says "Looks like another publicity stunt by Slash" in a thread, that would not be ok?

Even saying "I don't like this song" could be considered trolling if the rest of you think it's the best song ever.



In other words, anything negative said about the former members could be considered trolling because the rest of you adore those guys.

And then we're a Slash fan site all of a sudden.




/jarmo

Well...in a ex members section... i dont see how it would be a slash fansite.

but ARGHh whats the point.

its just the same answers from both sides on either of it.

this is topics a load of bollocks. infact, im just gonna stay out of this ex gnr members part cause its full of douchebag arguments over gay shit.

I think it's the "repetitive" part that most people take issue with.

No need for semantics...again..

I'll be more concise..

How about just "Repetetive attention seeking trolling to incite reaction"

Yes or no?

If I post five times in this section and you think they're attention seeking trolling to incite whatever.

It's repetitive since it's more than one post.  It's probably "trolling" because you don't agree.

Does that make me a troll?



See, it's not easy saying yes or no. It's more a question that depends on the case.


What about those that start commenting on how I run my site, as soon as I say something they don't agree with?

Isn't that "Repetitive attention seeking trolling to incite reaction based on allegiance to one side and dislike for another" as well?

Yes/No?





/jarmo

Is it considered trolling if the same is done in the GNR section?


Yes.

Jarmo

there is a difference in giving an honest opinion about something and flat out trolling.


I am speaking specifically of "This thread" also.

Read the Original thread starter's post and then see Jim Bob's



Being Critical of something isn't trolling unless u are intentionally doing it to get a rise and start a fight.

I feel Jim Bob does that in this thread




Music is subjective and opinion based, so as long as u have a half decent argument, it isn't trolling.

if Jim Bob wants to talk about how bad Slash's solo album sucks, that is fine

but to just blatantly post unnecessary stuff just to cause an uproar is trolling



Once again,Slash's charity was raising awareness for a music center that needs funding. doing that anonymously doesn't exactly get u donations does it?

Look when Slash visited that one guy in the cancer ward on his death bed and what did he do? He jammed and recorded with the guy right?   He didn't have a crew there, the guys family told the press about that one.


So to try and discredit Slash for doing something good and for charity is just ridiculous.

If it echos the same sentiment 5 times offering nothing else to the thread, yes.


A troll's a troll whether I agree or not...


Yes.


More specifically, would you say a section by section basis?


Your site, your rules.


Yes.

Once again: This is a GN'R site.

I keep repeating it because it doesn't register at all.


If somebody goes to a GN'R site to troll the GN'R section, it's WRONG!

It's not the same thing as somebody who loves GN'R posting in (or like you call it, trolling) the VR section.

I know for you VR fans it appears like it's the same thing.

But if you come here only to post shit about GN'R, you're on the wrong fucking site!

If you don't like VR, fine. You don't have to.

If you say you don't like that band, you're not trolling, even though a bunch of VR fans might think so.



What's next? Everybody must love Barack Obama and pepperoni pizza?





D, apparently I'm trolling because I don't buy the idea that Slash is a carefree cool humanitarian honest guitar God.

So apparently I should warm myself and then ban myself from posting on this board because I don't agree with what some former members do.

Guess what, it's not gonna happen.




I'm glad you agree that several of you VR fans are trolling your own section yourselves by constantly whining about what I do or don't do and how unfair it is.



/jarmo

I think the bottom line here, and what is irking people a bit, is that Jim Bob seems to be getting a Get Out of Jail Free Card for doing something that would not have been tolerated elsewhere on this board. It's not very consistent with the rules as they have been defined in the past.

Like I said, you can come out and say that Jim Bob and anyone else who wants to come into the ex-members section and stir things up, can do so without consequence. It's your board. But it would pretty much render the board useless as it would become trite.

Even if some people on here do not like Slash as a person and choose sides in the Axl vs. Slash thing (I don't. Like I have stated so many times before, I am a fan, not a soldier), there is still something to be said for fairness. I love discussing GN'R in the main section, and if someone comes in and starts bashing Axl or Bumble, it is swiftly dealt with, as it should be, but I would love to see the same results here, in this section.

You told me that if I thought that this section was not being moderated, I was wrong, and I told you that I really didn't think anything and that is why I asked. Well, now I think that this board is being moderated, just by different rules.

But hey, it's not my board. But, hopefully, I am still allowed to give my opinion.

That's true, but there's a difference between that and making sarcastic comments that don't really need to be made, which is what D is saying.

So don't troll and talk shit in the GNR section.  The VR section of the GNR board is no limits if you don't like them.  Fair to say?

Just give me a straight answer.

So it's about Jim Bob?



Personally, if I see something and feel like commenting on it, I will.

If it upsets some VR fans, I don't care.


Like D would says "I'm giving my honest opinion".

Apparently that makes me a troll.  ::)



Yeah, we have "different rules".

For example, if a topic goes way off topic in The Jungle, it's not really a big deal.... But if people take a topic in the GN'R section to be about another band, we put an end to it.

At the same time, several rules are the same.

Personal insults are "no" all across the board.



You just need to understand that this isn't exclusively for VR fans. They have their own sites to frequent.

I wouldn't go to a VR or Slash site and assume they all love GN'R/Axl.



People seem to think this means the ex-GN'R sections are "anything goes" zones. Which isn't the case.

I just don't get why as a GN'R fan I'm not allowed to say what I think about the former members.

Where am I supposed to do it then? A VR fan site? Not very likely.





Hold on, since I don't own Libertad, I'm not allowed to post here?

Are you serious?

So suddenly it doesn't matter that I've pretty much followed these guys since they were in GN'R in the 80s, but because I didn't buy their latest album I'm not allowed to have an opinion?




/jarmo

I'm not presuming to tell you how to run the site either.  I would just like to know the rules.  Is it just for the VR section and Slash?  Or is it ok to do so in any of the ex members section.

You know the rules.

We don't allow trolling.

But saying that somebody is a troll just because he/she doesn't think highly of VR, Adler's Appetite, Camp Freddy, Gilby Clarke etc. and therefore should be banned, is a bit too much.

I don't think anybody is here on this GN'R site for any of those bands alone.





/jarmo

What the fuck?  Who the fuck said that?

I asked if it's ok to troll this part of the  board?

Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

As I said, it's not easy to define trolling.

What's trolling to you and Falcon, might not be to me.





/jarmo

Yes it is.  You just won't because you like that this section is here so you and others can comment negatively on anything Slash does.

Is it about Jim Bob? Well, of course it is. He was the catalyst for this whole discussion. But it was more about the principle of the whole situation and this board and its sections, which apparently is not the same throughout. And no, I don't think it means that this section is "anything goes", it just means "a little more goes". And that's pretty much all that was asked to be clarified. So then we know.

And just to be clear, I don't know Slash. I don't know Axl. And I sure as hell am not going to let someone I don't know pit me against someone else. I don't get this personal agenda some people display on here. I am fan of their music, and if I can discuss both bands without having it turn into some pointless argument, then that would be great. But that is obviously not going to be allowed in this section as it is percieved as a second-class section of this board. Like I said, that kind of renders it useless. You'd probably have a lot less Slash-fans here if you just removed it... and a lot less drama too, apparently. I guess I just don't understand what the purpose of having it active is then. But maybe that's none of my business and not for me to understand.

The best answer to that, came from yourself:



Maybe you should take your own advice?



In case you haven't noticed, I haven't commented on everything.

There goes your theory.




/jarmo

I never said u were a troll in this section Jarmo because when you don't like something, u are able to give logical reasons etc why you don't like it. That is cool. I don't mind if someone doesn't like AA or VR or Slash or whatever, especially if they have true honest feelings about it and make a good case.


Jim Bob however doesn't do that in this thread. His original post had an agenda behind it to start a fight.

Let's get real. This goes beyond just not liking VR or even Slash himself. This shit amps up every time Axl comments negatively about Slash. For some on this board, shitty comments about Slash knocks them up on their personal "I'm a true GNR fan" totem pole.

As long as we're talking about Jim Bob, he is one of the few people on this board who is 100% commited to what Guns N' Roses is today and he is willing to stand up for it anywhere. I am the same. Jarmo is the same. If Jim Bob, Jarmo, myself or anyone else for that matter sees a topic on a GN'R board (even if it is the VR section) where a GN'R related person (such as Slash) talks shit about Guns N' Roses or makes a fool of himself then we sure as hell are allowed to comment on it and stand up for the current incarnation of Guns N' Roses, which this site is dedicated to.

So what are you saying? That you, Jim Bob, and Jarmo set the standard for being a fan? Everyone else should "get on board or fuck off"?

not really.   Axl's opinion on someone doesn't necessarily influence mine.   I'm quite sure Axl and I have very different views of the world and I don't agree with everything he's ever said or done.

Lets get real, slash fans are just looking for something to whine about.   If you don't like my posts, don't read them  skip on down to the next post.  sorry that I speak my mind on these types of things.

on a serious note, I do really think its cool he went to this school and hung out with the kids.  Seriously I do.   I was just mocking slash fans with my first post because thats what i felt like doing...  With some people its like he can do no wrong and he's nothing but a stand-up guy and thats who I was poking fun at.

OK, that's fair enough. If you admit that you're goal is to incite Slash fans rather than shit on this particular thing he did then I'm not really too worried about that. Wish you'd said it this way 5 pages ago  :hihi:

So u basically admit it Jim Bob

I don't care, I find this shit to be entertaining myself.

I didn't say everything I said anything.

Lets go rip on Robin Finck and his fans for no reason. Lets see what JimBob does then.

I bet it would be a whole different ballgame if it were that way around.

Besides that I still never got an answer!

Imagine that.

So does this constitute trolling?


Sounds like fans of some other guy as well.

Yeah, imagine that.  : ok:

You: Is it black or white?
Me: It's gray....
You: I didn't get an answer!


/jarmo

No, but I'd say Jarmo sets the standard for what kind of people he wants on his own board.

I personally would go out on a limb and say Jarmo appreciates all the different opinions of posters on this forum.


If the forum was filled with one point of view, it wouldn't be a very active forum

As long as it's not in the GNR section.

There's an answer.  It's a fly by the seat of your pants rule.  I get it now.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that we don't want a bunch of bitter Slash fans trolling the site.




/jarmo

But this is ok?

Jesus, get over it.

That's fine and that's fair.  That's not what happened in this case though.  What could have been a fairly objective page of comments on an appearance at a kids' school has turned into a 10 page argument and all because the first post about it was done in such a way that it would incite people.  If someone doesn't like the continued sentiment about something, then it makes no sense to post something that basically sets the bait for people to respond in a negative way.

 

I admit its not my most mature moment... but you slash fans are blowing this way out of proportion.    just let it go already.   theres other sites on the internet you can visit that will gladly let you trash Axl as long as you kiss slash's ass.   

you don't like my posts?  don't read them.   with that said, I will do my best to control the urge to piss with you guys, but stop making it so damn easy!

Problem is I'm not a Slash fan in the sense that you say it.  I'm a fan of GNR past, present, and hopefully future.  I'm just not a fan of people with double standards.

Hell half of you guys act like you personally know the guy you're defending and you're protecting him like he's your kid sister that got fucked once and then dumped or something. 

I'll forgive you for that because I've had many immature moments myself.  It's sometimes easy to just let your fingers get away from you.  Maybe you weren't referring to me, personally, but I don't go to other sites and trash Axl so I can "kiss Slash's ass."  So, I don't like seeing people trashed here.  That's all. 

Some crazy shit around here, some days, I tell ya'...................

 

These quotes are taking from the first page of this thread!!!  How did we manage another 9 pages! lol

Thing is, many of these "Slash fans" are also "GNR fans" at the same time. And when they defend Slash (not attacking GNR), it gets turned the other way round and they get labelled as not being real fans or whatever.

Whatever, I doubt anyone's opinions on this are going to change any time soon. How many of these arguments have ended in someone going "holy shit, you're right!"?? :P

what can i say.. slash fans are touchy

ah well, lets just let this thread wittle out now.   : ok:

Slash fans are touchy? HA

That is hilarious, as if the other sides fans aren't

Look folks, it may have been publicized (Slash is verrrrry media savvy, that's how he's come out as the "better" man), but those kids must have gotten a great kick out of having a rock star come jam with them.

Let's not complicate things.

im not a slash fan, i just find your  constant need to hypocritically rant at people that are not 100% Guns N Roses as they are today.  "aslong as you kiss slashs ass", yet you are the one whos head is probably up Axls ass.

That's what annoys me, you assume that just because some of us like Slash, we must hate Axl and GN'R. But that's not always the case, and you make yourself out to be more narrow minded than the so-called Slash fans you're having a go at.

It is possible to like both Slash and Axl. I do, and I'm sure plenty of others here do too. : ok:

I agree with that. But this will lead to the "not everyone here loves Slash" argument which leads to the "then they should stay out of the VR section" argument which leads to.... well, we end up back at the start eventually. Bleh.

Exactly! :hihi:

Christ, this has gone to eleven pages? I'm not even bothering to skim over them, because I'm 90% sure what I'll find. $la$h is such an media whore liar for using his status as a music icon to benefit a music charity program for kids. What an bastard.

This whole section is a fucking joke; and that extends to the people who blatantly and obviously troll every single post in it, and get away with it (figure that out).
I don't care how you people spin it.

nope, you're wrong about my assumptions.  I'm well aware of folks like you, and thats not who I'm referring to.

Slash's a good guy. This is not the first time involved in a charity work.

True I think that the moment the old GN'R was working on Civil War that they doomed everyone involved in there own Civil War on who's right wrong and just started to loose there original perpous whatever it was.

And yeah when I get back on HTGTH and see this everything now is just a battle for who's in the right and wrong its how the orriginal band died and at least now the new GN'R wont die like the old I hope.