Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After posting a couple of times in the GNR section on the Robin leaving or just touring topic and maybe choosing my words a bit wrongly at times, I decided to start a mature and objective discussion about whether Robin Finck or Slash is the better guitarist, specifically which players version of November Rain you find more preferable. Personally I always thought that Robin brutally butchered the Nov.Rain solos, especially in the RIR3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1ltHvm4aho) version, not that the 2006 version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWer-vHDGDA) sounds much better either, although in 2006 at least Robins rhythm/harmony playing sounds very beautiful with the slight distortion effect. It's just that the solo played by Robin always sounds to me like a cat being raped to death. Just compare the above versions to Slash's version and you'll see what I mean, especially the 1992 VMA's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLoQteiJNOU), although maybe Slash has a bit too much distortion here, he plays the solos spot on and it sounds beautiful and amazing to me. The harmony/rhythm parts are barely audible though, practically in every UYI tour version. Of course I must admit that Slash has also improvised sometimes on November Rain and not always succesfully, as can be heard in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpkZP8f8x4I) version from Noblesville Indiana in 1991, which is his first and probably worst time playing the song live.

November Rain is just one example and I must point out that this is just my personal opinion and not something I'm trying to pass out as fact. I would like to hear your opinions, which guitarist's version do you prefer and which one do you personally think is better. Overall, I like Slash better.

Are you sure you really want to start this fire?  ???

I prefer Slash, Why?:

1- I am a GNR fans since almost 20 years ago, and Slash allways has been my favorite member, he has a superlative stage presence and cool style.

2- Slash co-wrote some of the best GNR songs ever, WTTJ, Coma, Scom, Locomotive, Civil War, Nightrain, etc...

3- Slash wrote amazing guitar solos and Riff. WTTJ, Scom, November Rain, Estranged, Nightrain, Rocket Queen, etc...

4- Slash's guitar it was Guns n' Roses sound.

5- He is a legend of Rock and Roll and an icon of Guns n' Roses, even now.

6- Slash had too protagonism in one of the best album aver, Appetite for Destruction.

Robin has made interesting things, but nothing brillant. I like Robin anyway.  : ok:

As long as we talk performing pre-cd material, this topic is dangerously close to
"Who is better Sylverster Stallone,  Vin Diesel or Sylvester Stallone?"

I really do like Finck and his playing.
He looks and feels more at home in Nin really.

I prefer to watch Robin. He is way more entertaining then Slash on stage. Slash pretty much stands in one spot the entire time. Where as Robin is moving around doing things only Robin would do. I do like Robins playing style, to me it seems more emotional. However Slash was there when the band started, and had a big influence on the songs we all love. But if I had to take one for the band, it would be Robin.

I prefer Robin by a good bit

Slash, much much MUCH better IMO

Though i don't mind Robin as much now, thanks to his solo on TIL, which is awesome!

are you fucking high, slash runs all over the place during concerts having seen him 7 times with VR

I like Robin, he seems real cool, I love his guitar playing style and stage presence.

Robin is an artist and an amazing live performer.   He is currently touring the world and is a huge part of why the current NIN tour is THE show to see right now.    He has a unique style and tone that is instantly recognizable and its his own.   

$lash is a media whore and he's more like a reality tv star and a brand than anything.    While he played some memorable stuff in GnR, these days he's a mere shadow of his former self who whores himself out to everyone from bill gates to fergie to ellen degeneres.   Whats to like about that?   His current music is certainly nothing to get excited about.

$lash fans typically come from a poorly educated redneck demographic and I really don't think they "get" Robin.  Its a little bit above them I guess.  :peace:

Gee, thanks for that unbiased opinion Jim Bob... ::)

I like Robin's playing, but saying that some Slash fans don't "get" his style is just ignorant.

I guess some people prefer Slash's smoother blues-based hard rock style as opposed to Robin's choppy-industrial style.
But both guitarists have their merit.

not all, but some

And some Slash fans like Robin also. :o

So let me get this straight. All Slash fans are now rednecks. It just keeps getting better.  ::)

not all, but some

Slash hands down. To me Slash isnt the greatest technical player, not the most original or the most diverse. But what he does do is encompass everything I love about rock and roll guitar in one. He has the best mix of playing, feel, taste, composing, live performance and image.

Wether you think he is a media whore or not "smart" enough of a player for the over-arty fuckers those things can never be taken away from what he has done musically. And it wasnt just some good music with GN'R it was all great or we wouldnt of been here all these years arguing about it :beer:

One of the dummbest comments I've ever read on here.
It's pretty hard not to find a Slash fan (literally), so there'd be a whole heap of poorly educated rednecks all over the world.

Anyway, I prefer $la$h. He worte some of the greatest rock music ever (alot more so than Robin), he is recognised all over the world as a music icon (unlike Robin), he seems to care about his fans (unlike Robin- thanks for letting us know you were leaving GnR...again), he has influnenced countless musicians (including, I'm sure, Robin) and he's just fucking Slash (not Robin).

who'll be the first to name DJ  ;)

Post Of The Year !!!

Let's see how quickly Jim Bob turns into a Robin basher now that he has been replaced... :hihi:

I'll always be one of Robin's biggest supporters.   

I remember "Robin Finck Fans" was for Nine Inch Nails too.

i miss that site sometimes.. just don't have the time or energy to do it anymore. 

I like Slash's style better.  Robin turned in some fantastic work on CD but to me the shining star on CD in terms of guitars is Buckethead.  I like Robin, but he was completely overshadowed in the live shows by Bucket in 2001 and 2002 and to me the same can be said of CD

That said I do like Robin's work on CD better than the bulk of Slash's post-GnR stuff.  The solo on This I Love is a beauty

Robin a long way

Slash

Hard to compare but I must say...  Forgilbuckashblezzyincii Tobais!  No, but out of the two, Slash.  Now, if it were Bucket v.s Slash then I would be stuck (I know Bucket's works outside of G'N'R's WAY more then Robin's).

+1

Slash just doesn't do it for me anymore.  He just play's like a broken record and its generic and boring.  Robin is great ! way he play's is just amazing really won me over when playing in GnR and NIN.  Excited to see what he will do after NIN and future projects.

I'd love it if he did a solo album :)

maybe he's found his mission in life. even if it's totally different than what he's done before, it must be Robin.

Robin  8)

What the fuck???? I guess that kind of "lowest level" comments prove YOUR high quality education....

I don?t care who is the better guitar player in anybody?s opinion, but comments like THAT really suck. That?s just plain crazy.  :no:

slash of course

LOL at people comparing a dude with one songwriting credit to an Icon and Legend.


Dumbest thread ever

you are too DENSE to get that people have different tastes.   

all you do is babble about songwriting.   Theres more to music then that.

Yeah, you can always just settle playing what others have written. It's easy and comfy enough. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that. After show is over, you can get online with your iphone and  feel  embarrassed on behalf of your own fans who are disillusioned enough to actually bash and discredit the guy who once WROTE vast part of the  stuff you play. Good times!

POST SCRIPT! Axl Rose too comes from poorly educated redneck demographic, and he seemed  to "get" Robin just fine:O

Slash  :peace:

The question of the topic is as clear as subjective, but if the question were "Who was most important/significant/ essential for Guns n' Roses", the answers would be unanimous and obvious: SLASH.

....SO obvious that bothering to ask something like that serves no purpose. There isn't much talk or debate about the matter for same reason there isn't much debate going about who is the best singer in GNR.

the question is who you prefer...   which is completely subjective. 

i think slash has become a talentless shell of his former self, a brand, a media whore, and there is nothing cool about that.    enjoy the fergie performances. 

It is subjective, but hey Slash is nailing the Sweet Child solo atm while playing with fergie so who cares...

Robin played the SCOM solo just as good if not better on many nights, except he had a real rock band behind him playing the song, not to mention Axl Fucking Rose on vocals..   Fergie's band sounds dreadful.. almost as bad as the Best Buy band.

Blasphemy!!  :hihi:

Maybe you should shut the fuck up for once and stop ignoring one thing: if songwriting is all that matters in this case, should we disregard Slash's work in, say, November Rain?

some people will just never get Robin..  its not their fault ;)  so they babble on about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and capitalize the word "wrote" in every post they make, for emphasis.

no worries, I've seen them both and I know who puts on a better show.   

Robin.

But only one of the them was performing his own songs.

Robin was the GnR guitar player playing GnR songs, and yes some of them were his own.     but again, anytime someone says they like robin better than slash, the only thing a slash fan can do is talk about song writing.   this has nothing to do with song writing.

Sure it does. Its one of the many aspects of guitar playing. Do you know how many musicians out there can cover cover material as if it were the original? Its much easier to play someone else's songs than it is to write your own. It may only be one aspect of being a great guitarist but you can't just totally disregard it as if it means nothing.

It has nothing to do with songwriting.  The topic is who is your favorite guitarist which means style, stage presense, performances, ect.  Slash does have more songwriting credits but WHO CARES ?

I care. Regardless of how you feel about Slash, you can't deny during his time with GNR he came up with some of the best, most memorable riffs and solos. If it weren't for that we wouldn't be asking this question.

I agree that songwriting dosen't matter if you're asking which guitarist you'd rather see live or which guitarist better complements Axl, etc but when you're taking in the whole sum of a guitarist's abilities that fits in the equation.

Yes, so Slash wrote some songs.

But "Better" is better than any old school GNR song.

yea to me this question has nothing to do with song writing but more who i prefer as a guitarist.   

like i said, theres nothing cool about what slash has become these days. 

You're a hypocrite, Blow Job.  Because the only goddamn thing you can do to defend Robin is undermine the fact that Slash actually wrote GNR material and Robin didn't.


Like hell.  It's a good song but it doesn't touch the majority of original GNR's music.



Who the hell are you to determine what the topic means?  It means whatever the fuck I (as the reader) want it to mean.

It's flat out stupid to suggest that songwriting doesn't matter AT ALL.  Being able to pick up a guitar and come up with YOUR OWN riffs, solos, and material as opposed to just covering someone else's is a HUGE part of being a guitarist.  And again, these asinine comments illustrate how much Robin fans have to desperately grab for straws by de-emphasizing the songwriting issue.  Fact is, being a great guitar player isn't merely about stage presence (though that's important).  It bloody well is about being able to pick up a guitar and (are you ready for the all capital letters, Rim Job?) WRITING great riffs and solos.

Any fucking hack guitarist can teach himself how to play something that someone else wrote.  There are cover band guitarists learning Slash's licks every fucking day -- I guess you blokes prefer them to Slash too?

Fact is, you can like who you want overall, but nobody has a leg to stand on when preferring Robin to Slash in GNR.  Nobody.  Even if Slash were currently peddling snuff films in some fucking back alley today, he can still --and will always be able to -- lay claim to writing, recording, and performing GNR's greatest material.  Robin can lay claim to butchering that material onstage during his Axl tenure.  Even on his best day, Robin can't hold a candle to Slash in the GNR department, and he'll never overcome that.

i do have a leg to stand on.  i like what i like and you can't change that.

see sig

Yeah.  When Finck is capable of writing something that lingers in the mind's ear for all time, that gets revered by rock n roll fans everywhere, that still gets remembered and played on the radio 20 years later -- like a good amount of Slash's material is -- then I'll give more credence to Robin's playing.



Yeah, I read the interview, and it's typical Axl bullshit.  With Ankle and HIS supporters, the mentality is always "Anybody who doesn't agree with me or share my opinions shouldn't speak at all, because my opinion is the only one that's right, and anyone who DARES say anything negative about me is always wrong."

ankle?

are you sure you're on the right site?   you must be looking for mygnr.com

Sorry, I meant to say Maxwell Rose.

go troll some other site.    I have no use in debating with people who arent' actually fans.

good self-analysis. : ok:

I appreciate Robins work alot on "Chinese Democracy", but I have to go Slash just because of "Estranged"/"Coma"/"Sweet Child O' Mine".

I do though like Robins work better on a few old "Gn'R" live tracks such as "Mr. Brownstone".

For the 10000th time, no.


Ha!  You'd never engage in a debate with a "fan" anyway,  because your definition of a "fan" is someone who worships Axl Rose and believes he (and his band) can do no wrong, and hates Slash and believes he can do no right.


This is what I'm talking about.  Even if Slash never picks up a guitar again, those songs put him head and shoulders above Finck.

I'd just like to clarify that I like Finck too, "This I Love" and "Better" are as good or better than 90%+ of old "Gn'R" material to me.

I like both their contributions while in "Gn'R".... (http://www.gnrevolution.com/img/smilies/19.gif)

My definition of a Guns N' Roses fan is someone who likes and respects the band, and even supports them.   Not people who just pine over people who haven't been in the band for over a decade.   Those people are merely haters and trolls.  You are one of them, who apparently still hasn't gotten the hint.   Theres nothing more to be said.

you add nothing positive to discussion about the current band.   Like I said, theres nothing more to say to you so just fuck off.

: ok:

It seems like its unacceptable on this board to be a fan of both new Guns N' Roses and Slash. Anyone who likes Slash can't have an opinion right? I happen to like both and in this case I prefer Slash over Robin. According to your definition I can't be a fan then. Who are you to tell people if they're a fan of GNR or not?

It's down to personal opinion and your definition of what a fan is.

Why do people get so offended about it?

"You have no right to tell me I'm not a fan!". Yes, I do. It's called an opinion.



People jump on my back for that all the fucking time. Just because I don't consider real fans the kind of people who spit on the artist/band they're supposed to be fans of.





/jarmo

If understand if someone puts down the band or members in the band, and your opinion becomes "well that person's not a fan." But ive seen members called trolls and "not fans" several times just because they prefered Old Guns to New Guns or god forbid they said anything remotely critical of Axl. We're all human and just as we all have, he's made mistakes in his life too.

You can be a fan and still have an unbiased opinion.

I wanna make it clear that I am a huge Slash fan, but heres an interesting point. If Slash changed his image, style, started playing anything other than loud rock guitar tomorrow. Do you think a majority of fans would actually pay him any attention? Is it he is resigned to never change, or he just doesnt want to, or both?

It is possible to be fans of both.  you have intelligent posts like this where he prefers the other but isn't being insulting about it


But then you get garbage like this:


people can like whatever they like.   but when you have a poster like bridge who i've never ever ever seen make a positive post about the current GnR lineup only coming here to pine for Slash, yea I'm going to question whether or not that person is a genuine fan these days.

Not in my opinion.

If you're a fan of something you really like it.

For example, some people will look forward to hearing the artist's new album because they're fans and expect to like it because they're fans of the previous stuff. They have an optimistic outlook on things.


Then you got those who are fans of the artist's old material, but feel let down by a change in personnel, the style of the music etc etc. These people "hold a grudge" and I wouldn't call them unbiased either. These people have a negative outlook because "things aren't what they used to be".


I don't get the whole obsession with the idea that as a fan you always have to be "unbiased".

I guess it's because you don't want to be labeled a "fan boy". That must be so horrible.

On the other hand, when an "unbiased" person gets called out as a whiny sad fuck, he/she isn't happy about that either.


 
/jarmo

Jarmo, who is your favourite regardless of anything else other than guitar playing?

Obviously as a fan you're gonna have a biased opinion some of the time. I've caught slack for telling my friends how fucking great GNR is and I accept that. But it seems as if you're using smallest details as ammo against someone's loyalty to the band.

I love old GNR and I love new GNR. But there are some things I prefer about old GNR and vice versa. I don't expect the old GNR to get back together because frankly, the odds of the apocalypse coming tomorrow are probably better than a GNR reunion. And as much appreciation as I have for the new lineup, by your standards, I cannot be a fan because of my preferance of certain things about Old GNR.

I'm super unbiased.  8)

I prefer robin and cd band, hands down.

Around 93 I was feeling a little tired of GNR's sound and felt they had not moved forward and become quite a cabaret act.

Around 98 I heard that Finck was joining the band, and being a HUGE fan of NIN back then imagined Axl singing over the Hurt album and got goosebumps. Later Richard Fortus joined the band and again I was overjoyed hoping he would bring the cool Izzy element and song writing chops.

Now I unfortunately have yet to hear Fortus/Axl collaborations (song writing wise) but I hold very high hopes.

Finck well.

Im not really sure how anyone can logically debate him being a better guitarist than Slash on any level????

Civil War, SCOM, WTJ, COMA, Locomtoive, etc etc etc....and whilst the post GNR stuff overall has been subpar, if you actually listen to a lot of the earlier riffs and get rid of the bands he was in much of it would be AWESOME with Axl.

So far we've heard better from Finck, after what 10 yrs or more of collaboration??? I like better a lot, but Jesus, the term 'thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters' come to mind. Plus the tuneless butchering of TIL made me glad he left......terrible stuff......where was Fortus when we needed him?

Wow, never thought of it like that  :hihi:

Again, the non-sense about songwriting. Are you claiming SOD, IRS, TWAT and any other solo Robin did wasn't his own work?

Also, TIL solo is one of the best solos in the whole album IMO and for many others. Don't state your opinion as fact.

Exactly.  Otherwise lets just give 100% credit for November Rain to Axl Rose.  :)

Good point, you could say the same thing about Estranged too.  Guitar solos have always been a big part of GNR but don't always translate into songwriting credits. CITR would be another example. It was completely written (and I'd heard it) for quite some time but Bumble's solo is really what set it off for me.

Again, the non-sense about songwriting. Are you claiming SOD, IRS, TWAT and any other solo Robin did wasn't his own work?

Also, TIL solo is one of the best solos in the whole album IMO and for many others. Don't state your opinion as fact.
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Well I wasnt aware that Robin had writing credits on those????? So you liked his solo's?? Doesnt really compare to actually writing the music though does it.
It can be argued who would add the better solo's Slash or Finck...but what can't be argued is who contributed the better SONGS to GNR.

I think that's the case for most people in music though. Slash (like Robin) is famous for being awesome musician in a major band(s). Yes, Slash has kept a trademark image, but I think if he changed it people would still listen to his guitar. Just as how when Robin and Axl changed their respective outfits over the years people continued to pay them attention. I expect there would be debate amongst fans as to if old or new slash outfit was cooler or whatever, but he'd still get attention. If he stoped playing guitar, well, perhaps not, but who would pay much attention to any professional musician if they ceased being a musician, that's why they are famous.

On topic: I have a lot of respect for both Slash and Robin. I kinda prefer each on their own material. I prefered Slash's take on the solos from AFD, but I think Robin's playing on the whole of Chinese Democracy is fantastic. I'm looking forward to see what DJ brings to the mix now.

No, it doesn't. Still doesn't mean your opinion on TIL solo can be took as fact.

Funny, because the title of the thread says "Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?". I didn't see anything about SONGWRITING.

If you want to discuss in that matter only to prove how Slash has many credits and Robin only one, you may want to put some other musicians like Izzy in the topic. Because it isn't about guitar playing anymore from that perspective.

Funny, because the title of the thread says "Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?". I didn't see anything about SONGWRITING.

If you want to discuss in that matter only to prove how Slash has many credits and Robin only one, you may want to put some other musicians like Izzy in the topic. Because it isn't about guitar playing anymore from that perspective.
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Sorry but that's nonsense.

When discussing who you prefer, the the songs they have written and contributed to is obviously pivotal to the argument. Where did the Izzy comment come from? he's not in the thread title, it's Robin V Slash, and in that context I'd go with Slash. As I said live playing and solo's are debatable but the time both guys spent in the band and comparing songwriting credits isnt.

Surely songwriting is a huge part of playing guitar??? or are we discussing who we'd prefer based on who dresses better??

Talk about nonsense.

You can be a guitar player with no songwriting credits. You can like what a musician has to offer even without credits. You can like him based on his live performance, his contributions on the album or whatever.

And yes, Izzy isn't in the thread title. Nor does songwriting skills. ::)

Also, why bringing the time spent in the band? Maybe if the band had released the same ammount of material in the same time frame as the old guys, Robin could have more writing credits. We don't know if the next albums will have more of his work as songwriter.

And, again, songwriting skills has little to do with guitar playing - why do you think Izzy had more input than Slash? Or even Paul Tobias than Richard Fortus. You can make a great song without being a good guitar player.

So, I belive the whole discussion IS about live playing and solo.

Song writing and playing guitar are 2 different things.    Paul Huge and Izzy Stradlin are song writing guys who aren't necessarily the most charismatic live performers or most techincal guitarists.

to whatever reason you try to bring others you just can't force your preference on others.

Robin now > slash now  :-*

That's great and all but neither one are in the band at this point.

ok I paraphrase.

Robin in the 21st century > slash in the 21st century

and people are trying to say we can't prefer robin over the other.

i know who i would rather go see live.   r o b        i n  :smoking:

"Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?"

^^such a general question will always heat up the discussion with people like Jim Bob jumping in it immediately spreading his hate to Slash in any form and otherwise. a more workable topic with the intention of having some more peaceful debate and overview should have some direction like musicwise? performingwise? contributionwise? etc. in it or some detailed categories for rating and giving arguments for discussion.

There really is no argument

I mean For every Robin solo , I can throw out 5 Slash solos that are better.

Robin's best solo is probably the one from Better but it is nowhere near SCOM

Robin on the Blues and TIL are nowhere near November Rain or Estranged


so really, it is no discussion.  Slash has 3 or 4 of the most legendary/iconic solos ever in MUSIC history.

Robin has some good solos on an album.

that is a huge difference.


Guitar riffs, Robin has Better

do I even have to throw out the laundry list of Slash Riffs?


I mean it is just ridiculous. Like on that Waves mixing GNR thing. someone was like "Listen to what a badass Tommy is on bass" its likethey don't realize that he is playing what Duff wrote.......

true Tommy is a good bass player but playing what someone else wrote doesnt make u better or as good.

its possible to like the way someone plays something better than the person who wrote it. 

IMO Robin perfected just about anything that he played that was originally played by Slash.   And he looked cooler doing it too.

Its no contest who I'd rather see live.   None at all. 

I've always prefered seeing the people who wrote the material playing it. When I saw GnR in Sydney everyone put on an awesome show, but during old GnR songs there were times I thought for a second 'man, it would be great to see the old guys playing this' (however, all the guys still put on a killer show). That being said, when they played new songs I didn't care at all about the old line up. In that regard I think it does matter who wrote the material. For me personally I'd rather see the guys who wrote it perform it. For example, I'd rather see Slash play WTTJ than Robin. But I'd rather see Robin play Better than Slash (hypothetically).
I saw The Who a few weeks back (awesome show). Pino Palladino and Zak Starkey were fantastic, but I'd rather have seen Entwistle and Moon (again, hypothetically).

See I could give a shit about song writing credits when it comes to enjoying a concert.   That to me is just over analyzing things, defeats the purpose of having a good time.   The band puts on an amazing show and at the end of the night, thats what really matters.

In my opinion, one of the band's(old and new) best performed songs is Live and Let Die, which none of the guys on stage had anything to do with.  Does that matter to me?  No, why would it?   I enjoy the performance.    And even on the older GnR stuff, Axl is still there and what GnR fan of any era wouldn't at the very least appreciate getting to see Axl belting classic GnR songs?    And the band does play the fuck out of the material, old and new.     But truth be told, as long as Axl is there, it doesn't really fuckin matter.  He is the voice and leader of the band, always has been.

Its kinda funny the double standard with some Slash fans.  Go look at any thread in the VR section where a youtube clip is posted of Slash jamming to SCOM with Fergie or Paradise City with Bill Gates.    Slash fans practically nut themselves over seeing those clips, but they act like Axl fucked their mom when he goes out and performs the classic songs with the current Guns N' Roses lineup.   The band their hero decided to leave way over a decade ago....

As far as Robin vs Slash, I'd go see Robin with NIN 100 times before I go to a VR concert.

Gee you are really, REALLY stretching credibility. I agree in principle that it's possible to a small degree, as in I have liked the way a guy covers someones song, but to say I prefer the cover artist based on this.

I'd say that 75-99% of the general public disagree with you though, and 90-99% disagree with who 'looked cooler'.

But each to they're own. I just don't understand the concept of admitting one guy writes better riffs and solo's, yet I prefer the 2nd guy????  based on he looks cooler????

What is funny to me though is, the same people who say this are the exact ones whining because someone else is now going to play Robin's parts on the new songs.


So I guess DJ is better than Robin cause he can play Robin's solos.

Yea i guess the same people who prefer slash are now whining about dj even before they see anything by this line-up. 

jim bob isn't, voodoo no, me of course not.

you don't get it.   theres no use in trying to explain personal taste to you.

I've never whined about DJ playing Robin's parts.. we've yet to see him with the band.    I won't whine either.  Robin made his choice, the band made their choice to move on, and as fans we should all respect that.   Just go see them when they tour and enjoy it.  Thats all that matters.

I guess I get caught too much up into the who is better thing

I see, its who u prefer


my fault

That in itself is a double standard. It can very well be applied to Slash as well, as long as he's there it doesn't matter. That's how some people see it. You really under-complicate the situation with the band, it wasn't as if he simply said ok i'm done with Guns, and everyone knows that. I dont see why anyone would complain about Axl ROSE playing Guns N' ROSES material , I'm merely pointing out Slash playing material with people can be cool. It's a side thing , face it he's forever associated with the band the little Microsoft/Best Buy/Fergie stuff is just something to do. I actually work at Best Buy and my manager was at the confrence when he played. It was a nation-wide meeting for the management in Cali. , they brought Slash in to do a couple songs and the employees where stoked! Manager said he was nice as hell and down to earth and even hung around awhile to see the new products. I think some people over looked situations like this and write them off as being a media whore.

On point , Slash. Nightrain , Locomotive , Sweet Child, The Garden, THE FUCKING GARDEN solo is too intense. Robin is one hell of a guitar player but when it comes down to it generation after generation will remember Slash , this isn't WHY he is who a prefer but it is an indication of his ability as a player and musician.

^ If the title thread was "who's more popular", of course it's Slash. I don't think that's up to debate.

I think the point is: we're all here because we like the current band and album. So, we're a different part of the general rock fans - we know who Robin is, what he's capable of and what he did (at least some of us). Even if he's not in the band anymore, there's still his contributions on the album.

I, like many people here, rather listen to TIL and SOD solos than November Rain or Estranged. Face it, it's our point of view as fans, we can like it better because it's just our opinion (hence why I'm not into the ex-members from the old band section).

That makes no sense at all. How the hell did you come with that conclusion? People (me included) didn't like how Robin refused to come back (at least that's how I see it). Also, IMHO, DJ Ashba is way too generic - he has skills, he can write, but he is like a lot of other people, Richard included. Still, I'm just waiting to check how he'll be on stage.

the question is:
Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?

When Robin was in his full-bearded, long-haired, hippie rocker mode on the Australian tour, I thought he was second to Axl as far as stage presence goes. He was definitely one cool motherfucker to watch perform.

But having seen Slash live as well, I'd have to pick him, because hey, it's fuckin Slash! The guy is a rock icon.

let me guess.... Slash fans prefer Keith Richards to both slash and robin, yes?

Christ, why do people take it so personally/offensively when people say they prefer Slash?
Then if someone questions why they prefer Robin it's "it's my oppinion, you don't get it" etc.
He gave praise to Robin, but ultimatly picked Slash; not need to get so uptight about it.  :crying:

Last I checked, Keith Richards was never a member of GN'R... ::)

I wasn't aware that you only like guitarists that were in gnr. But my comment wasn't particularly about you.


No need to get so defensive.
It's merely an honest observation about some people's reasons to prefer one guitarist to another. Nothing personal.

I didn't even specify whose quote, you see, as that was repeatedly said by many other slash fans in this thread... because he's a legend, known better, wrote famous solos, sold many records, blah. while robin fans reasons are for his performances craziness, coolness, warmness etc.

From those comments I made a reasonable inference.

I like plenty of other guitar players, but this discussion isn't about that.
It's about who you prefer out of Robin or Slash. Guitarists who have both been in GN'R.

As for you saying people's reasons for liking Slash ie. "because he's a legend, known better, wrote famous solos, sold many records, blah"
I agree with all of that, and he achieved most of that during his time with GN'R.

And to me Slash epitomizes everything that is cool about rock guitar.

Like i said My point was that the reasons are something i don't quite get for those to like someone. Kinda like if you heard a girl say she likes this guy because he's rich.... you'd think she'd like bill gates even more.


even if Robin had never been in gnr I'm sure as hell every robin fan would love him once they saw his performance.
i doubt the same is true with slash and his fans.

Slash fans take it more to heart, when they hear GnR fan's say they like Robin more.  Maybe it's because Robin has never sold out or he has more of a personality then Slash.   That's just my opinion, I think Slash is a brilliant guitarist and he deserve's to be recongized for it.  Robin just has that IT factor when it comes down to style, stage presence, playing for me.  Slash ain't what he used to be.

I saw a comment at nin forum that robin should learn how to be at two different places.  :hihi:

you visited a NIN forum........:puke:

Here is why I take it to heart and this is nothing against Robin personally but why I take it personally

U have a guy in Slash who has wrote so much of the GNR catalog and the most famous and loved GNR songs.  He made himself into an ICON by not only his playing but the way he was on stage. People trying to compare Robin to VR pacemaker in his chest unable to go full bore running around Slash is unfair.

In their primes, this is just ludicrous. Its like comparing a good College basketball player to Michael Jordan. Its just truly ridiculous.

I don't understand how someone could prefer a guy who has contributed so little to GNR over a guy that had he not been in the band, GNR wouldn't even fucking exist in the form u know it.

I say it over and over. Had Slash not wrote so many of these amazing riffs and solos for Axl to sing over, GNR wouldn't be legendary.

If Axl worked with CC Deville instead of Slash back in the 80's,or kept Hollywood Rose going, he probably wouldn't be the icon he is today.



So It bugs the living shit out of me, when someone can talk shit about Slash and praise someone who is absolutely insignificant to GNR history.

Dude has 1 writing credit which was a major flop on the charts and plays songs written by other people.


To even have a thread with these two in the same sentence is one of the most ludcrious things ever.


It would be like Velvet Revolver getting a Tribute band Axl singer and then someone on here starting a thread comparing who is better.

just crazy shit.

babble babble babble  ::)

read what you posted a week ago if you need a refresher on what this thread is about.


And besides, you like Creed and Bon Jovi, therefore I cannot take anything you say seriously.   I'll say it once more, I'll go see Robin with NIN 100 times before I go to a VR concert.   Just my personal taste.. I see nothing cool about your lil hero.

I said that a week ago but the more I think about it, the more ridiculous it is to be debated on a GNR forum


Bon Jovi are great

Creed aren't one of my fave bands, I do think they get a bad wrap

and I like NIN,Prince, Chili Peppers, Kiss


I don't buy an Issue of RS magazine and like who is supposedly "Cool" and discard bands i like because for some reason they aren't the in thing to like.

I have never been nor will i ever be a frontrunner, trend chasing person/fan

Yeah, 10 years in GNR history is nothing. All his solos in the album are nothing. All his live gigs are nothing. ::)

Here you go again with another songwriting excuse and popular status.

AGAIN, ONE MORE FUCKING TIME: so, by what you said several times, we can disregard Slash's work in Estranged and November Rain, right? Or even SCOM! He didn't wrote it!

Yeah, really. It's exactly the same thing. Because Robin was in a tribute band he copycat everything Slash did.  :P

Actually, having been in GnR for 10 years is a bit of a discredit to him in my oppinion. It shows an amazing lack of productivity.
I know that isn't Robin's fault, and it's a massive shame that after ten years in the band all he has to show for it is one album, and only performing a handful of his own songs live in that time.
Slash on the other hand, in 11 years with the band released four legendary albums and a covers album, rose with the band to international fame and became an icon of rock.

Different things. As you already pointed out, it wasn't Robin's fault. And of course he couldn't play more of his own songs in advance of the album release, but he played almost all of his big contributions live (only one missed was TIL).

Still, if you can compare the two in 10 years, we can tell how Slash's work since It's Five O' Clock Somewhere were not that good as he previous work. So, from a LOT of releases, he didn't really had anything as good IMHO.

again, its personal preference.  stop trying to push your opinion on people who disagree and stating it as a fact.   you wont change anyones mind.

agree, I also dont see nothing cool about your lil hero Robin  ;)

Jim Bob, as a GN'R fan what do you think of Slash's playing. Considering you are a fan and he plays lead guitar on 4 out of 5 albums of original material?

i'm tired of it

I'm pro-Slash in this argument , but COME ON! That is just an unfair comparison , it is not on Robin's shoulders when albums would be released, he joined what was already one of the most known bands on earth , and he had to fill the shoes of not only a good guitarist but someone who had made a specific image for himself. Saying that since Robin didn't release many albums , didn't take the band to fame and isn't an icon that makes him worse than Slash is a total unfair comparison.

well i Haven't seen robin onstage n' from what i hear he's great but there's no one like Slash!See I'm an Axl Rose Fan so i should be against Slash but i gotta say he's the best lead guitarist i 've ever heard n' seen!He's my guitar player idol n' when he plays the guitar he's awesome he can make miracles n' he plays very fast.Don't know what he does onstage now but when he was with GN'R he didn't stay at the same place at all.If you seen Use Your Illusion II World Tour '92 In Tokyo  at the end of the show stepped offstage n' run towards the fans while playing Paradise City.Check what you gonna say before you say it!

Fair enough.I was just curious! :peace:

I don't want to point you out or anything but that is exactly what is wrong with a lot of people. Being an Axl fan doesn't dictate if you should be "against" Slash and vice-versa...

Exactly. Also frustrates me when some fans of slash then develop a problem with Axl.

Axl apparently has a problem with Slash, and that's his business, it's an issue best left between them and kept out of the fan base.

It's natural for some people to prefer Slash or Robin, each to their own, but I don't think it's positive for people to feel a need to takes 'sides' based on the feelings of other people.

When you find yourself taking "sides" on current/former members of a band you where never a part of nor never will be , yeah that cant be healthy   :beer:

so, you must really hate seeing GnR in concert since the setlist consists of mainly songs from the 4 of 5 albums of original material that he contributed to?

How many concerts from the new band after the new album came out did you catch?

Also, who said the band plays exactly what Slash played and the way Slash played?

No, I enjoy all the old songs.  I'm just tired of $la$h'$ playing.  I prefer Robin's take on all the old songs.. IMO he made them all a lot better. and I would rather see how DJ Ashba handles the parts as opposed to having $la$h in the band.

I hate $la$h too! Slash though , good guitar player!

"Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?"

if an simple answer is intended then off course it's Slash!!

Fantastic song, I can't wait to hear it Live. It will probably be spectacular to hear it "in real".

The Guitar Solo? well... I don't know what to think about it, it's Robin on Lead you know... He is no Slash, so don't expect him to make something as beautifull as Slash. It's not a bad solo but it's unmelodic. The second part is better when the drums enter in the mix though.

Of course, Slash would have put this song to another level because he is a genius. Robin is not. That's it. There's nothing we can do about that.
Only Axl can by taking his phone. But it didn't happen. So enjoy what you got, it's still good as it is  :P

i`m sorry for you, ... guitar solo in this song sounds fantastic !!!  : ok:

and now ..... is going to sound amazing !!! just because gnr has the best guitarist of the world  :love:

love and peace !!!!  :)

I need not to take you seriously, you are clearly here to make people like me react badly, that's why I wont do it the way you would expect.

But, let me ask you a question: where are Slash's stratospheric level guitar solos in Axl Rose absence? where are Slash's guitar solo master-pieces in Slash's Snakepit, Velvet Revolver and all his ''without Axl Rose'' musical career? Why I cant see even one (1) guitar solo with the grandiosity of Robin's at TIL in ''Libertad'' or ''Contraband''?

don't you think Slash needs Axl Rose musically like a fish needs water to live? At the other hand, Axl created ''November Rain'' without Slash, and then he created a 14 track album with several masterpieces like TWAT, Prostitute, Madagascar, CITR, This i Love and who knows how many other gems he wrote for upcoming albums we still dont know, everything without Slash.

I could say ''Buckethead could have done it better than Robin'', and I could hold that argument basing myself in tens and tens of songs, like ''Nothingham Lace'', like ''Electric Tears'', like ''lebron'', ''Soothsayer'', ''Too Many Humans'', ''Night of the Slunk'', ''Jordan'' or several others. Buckethead, as you might know, didn't need Axl to write these SONGS (not ''solos'')

I will resume it all in one question: what empirical evidence do you have from Slash ''post Axl'' career to say he would have done the solo from This I Love better than Robin?

Slash is artistically dead from the day he abandoned Axl. He was nothing before Axl, he's nothing now without Axl. That's the word: abandon. Because poor little Sla$h left the band by his own decision. And then he tried to destroy the band we all love with a bunch of lawyers.

I agree that Slash did his best work BY FAR in GNR.  This argument was had over at gnrevolution awhile back and some of Slash's solo work was brought up and given some pretty good reviews.  Some of the songs referenced were "Vocalise", "Obsession Confession", and "Street Child".

The youtube videos should be on this page.
http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=6109&p=3

Nes is so full of shit its not funny. But then I remember how he ejaculated about Madagascar solo just because he thought it was Richard playing it.and I calm down. :hihi:

Just ignore him till he's banned again.

So you think I'll be banned because I say Slash would have probably made a better solo than Robin right?
I suppose that if Jarmo followed your point of vue, I guess 99% of this board would be banned  :rofl:
Jarmo knows better what to do, I think he doesn't need you to tell him what to do.

You like to think you control this board and take the decision. You don't. You never will.
And stop the personal attacks, I ain't here for that.

Slash.

By a landslide.

sucks

eggs

Sucks on COMA?? SCOM??? Civil War??? Jungle??

I mean seriously these people that claim to be fans of GNR but truly are only fans of t

he frontman........The bitterness and hatred toward the old band is deluded and at times embarrassing.




Name 3 cool songs or even riffs Robin has written????? Can't do it??? Case closed. Hell I can name 10 riffs /songs that Slash has done in those years that potentially would be awesome with Axl's brilliance added.
Robin had 10 years plus with Axl who ' pulled the best out of Slash'......so what do we have for 10 years plus, with the very best producers, the very best equipment money can buy, a host of talented bandmates, unlimited time, unhindered by having to work to supplement his time etc........ONE song. This despite the rumours of gruelling all night jam sessions over years, thousands of hours of jams on tape, millions of dollars.

As I said previously....' a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters'

Hmmmm who's better....oh that's right Robin looks cooler )  ( and god that's massively debatable)
I don't even particularly like Slash's playing (outside GNR where the melting pot just worked)  I could name 5-10 gitarist I prefer, but Christ, Robin isn't within a zilion miles of Slash, and to say otherwise indicates being a  nuthugger and simply bitter.

and the current band, the members on cd and robin. we don't need to claim to be fans.

I'm a GnR fan.  That hasn't included your lil hero in at least 13 years now.   We've moved on.   The bitterness is more towards the fans who cling to the past and try to ruin these boards for GnR fans.

No, because you're spamming the board with your man crush with Richard.

I didn't tell him what to do. I said you will be banned. Soon or later. It's all about you and what you do. Don't pretend to forget what Jarmo already told you here.

I do? ::)

Stop spamming and bullshitting. You ain't here for that either.

Also, stop sending me PM telling me this. I'm only replying your non-sense posts.

I don't think people are saying "Slash sucked". It's present tense: Slash sucks.

Also, as Jim and ppbebe already pointed, we're fans of the band, yes. But also, isn't the thread about an ex-member too?


Again, the bullshit about songwriting.

I can name 3 cool songs with Robin's riffs and solos: Better, SOD and TIL.

Now, name 3 cool songs Slash WROTE and had no input in the instrumental part by Izzy or Axl.

Case closed.

Well, Axl wanted to work on some. But your hero didn't want to, did he?

So you're ignoring all the forthcoming songs and ALSO the tracks where he contribuited on it. Amusing.

Talking about monkey and typewriters...

You just can't take it. Too much for your beloved loser.

So, the thread topic asks which guitar player do you like better: Robin or Slash. I comment Slash. Your troll ass decided to post "sucks" when responding to my post, and I'm the one who's trying to ruin something?  :hihi:

Get a clue.

At the end of the day THIS is why i despise many people with the twisted logic that since Slash is gone he sucks. They give all the arguments in the book , they bring up how he left, how Axl brought the best from him etc..etc.. but in the end it is just all bs for their logic. Slash =  "sucks". This is THE most blatant troll post I've seen on any forum. It quotes a name to say "sucks". Its great to be a fan of a band , past and present. But when someone prefers Slash over Robin and it becomes an argument on how their "lil hero" "$la$h" isn't good it gets pretty stupid. I like Guns N Roses , I prefer the UYI line-up. I like that style I like that sound , I liked the band a HELL of a lot more. I'd rather hear Slash playing those songs, if someone asks me how I prefer I'll say so; not because I dislike the new band but because it is what I like. I'm not "living in the past" I have CD I think the new band is great but solely the fact that it is the present line up means nothing to me. The idea that liking the pre CD band is somehow "living in the past" is ridiculous. If you despise the new band and only love the old band than yes there is an issue. As it boils down to the nitty gritty many people I've seen on here come down to this

"Slash. Sucks" case closed , that's their logic and you've seen it here.

Maybe he sucks to Jim Bob because Slash hasn't done anything Jim Bob likes since the early 90s?

Did you ever think about that?





/jarmo

Alot of people don't think Axl has done anything worthwhile since the early 90s. To say that he "sucks" just because of that is pretty narrow and pointless. We're talking about 2 guys who have taken part in recording some of the greatest rock material to ever be written. Saying that you're a fan of one's music pre- (fill in the blank) is one thing. To say that somebody "sucks" just because they haven't written anything that you have personally been impressed with in awhile is another.

we aren't the lot of people.

It's about personal opinions. It's natural that some think slash sucks big time and voice it.  deal with it.

It's natural that you think slash "sucks big time"? I'm not sure how "natural" that is. Especially considering he is recognized by the general public and media as being one of the best guitar players of all time.

So, no. I wouldn't necessarily say that opinion is "natural". It is an opinion though. Just one that isn't shared by very many people at all. But thanks. I'll do my best to "deal" with your opinion. I hope that you are able to find mine somewhat "natural".  :hihi:

Like i said we don't obey. We see things for ourselves thus we rock.
 

"Obey"? Umm ...ok.  :hihi:

Geez, man. Isn't "seeing something for yourself" subjective? I mean, just because Axl and Slash had a fall out and are no longer friends, does that mean I should no longer  appreciate or respect the music that one of them made? And by me doing so, what would I be proving? Last time I checked, I have no personal relationship with with either of them, nor do I have a vested interest in who these 2 choose to spend their time with. If they don't want to play together or like one another, oh well. It's a shame that has to be considering the chemistry that they once shared.  But I certainly don't have any sense of personal obligation to either one of them.

I can't wait to hear Slash's solo album. Especially considering some of the vocalists who have been mentioned. I'm sure you already have your mind up that it "will be shit" just because that best suits your misguided obligation. Me, I think I'll just be happy to see another album from one of the guys who took part in creating some of my favorite albums.

"the chemistry that they once shared... " you have said it ... it?s past
not now ... Axl has been hurt by this man ...
just because axl has a special soul,  :love: and he is so sensitve  :love:

Can someone explain why everyone that responded to my post called Slash my hero???? He most certainly isn't my hero in any way, Axl was pretty much my hero up to the age of 30.

My opinion is based I believe upon rational thought, I'm dead against any form of hero worship, as I said I'm not even a fan of Slash's music outside the GNR melting pot, where it worked wonderfully. Hero my arse.

If you take the personal bitterness about Slash away I'd find it difficult to rate Robin over Slash....REALLY difficult. The thread is about who you prefer, well if you look at what each guitarist has done whilst in GNR, Slash has done substantially more....so my answer in this context is Slash.

Can I also quote Robs post as it's very well said.

"I mean, just because Axl and Slash had a fall out and are no longer friends, does that mean I should no longer  appreciate or respect the music that one of them made? And by me doing so, what would I be proving? Last time I checked, I have no personal relationship with with either of them, nor do I have a vested interest in who these 2 choose to spend their time with. If they don't want to play together or like one another, oh well. It's a shame that has to be considering the chemistry that they once shared.  But I certainly don't have any sense of personal obligation to either one of them."

I bought and loved CD, saw the new band live and loved them (paid for 5 others to go even), am a big fan of Richard, Tommy and Brain....but as a guitarist Slash annihilates Robin, be it lead playing, riffs or even the ridiculous who looks cooler department brought up earlier.

I think I'm going to puke.   :drool:  (that's puke, not drool, BTW)

:hihi:

Good one.  Also, I think you made a very good response, there, up above  (05:43:41 PM).  Let me tell you something though - get used to it around here, like it or not.  It's the way it is.  It's what makes things go 'round here.  I, for one, love Slash.  Prefer some of the earlier line ups. Actually like Velvet Revolver (ok, everybody just hold their breath and count to 10 before you respond  ;D).  Also am interested in the current line up and what's going on.  But, there's a lot of animosity in regard to that guitarist.  Just is. 

So you honestly can tell me that a post that says "sucks" isn't trolling? Good to know the rules here!  :beer:

Metallica haven't released anything ground breaking for awhile , do they "suck"? No.
Aerosmith haven't done anything impressive since the 80's MAYBE , do they "suck?" No.
Insert any band haven't done anything since insert time , do they "suck"? No.
Slash , yup he sucks.

Guns N Roses went on an unsuccessful tour in 02 and didn't release an album until 2008 I hadn't been impressed in a LONG time, do they "suck?" No. Because last I check they where one hell of a band. Mind you any response to this would and should logically be applied to Slash....

It's an obvious bias when it something can be applied to anyone but Slash , when it comes down to him , he sucks. It's flawed logic. Of course I'm sure someone here will be more then delighted to explain how GNR not releasing an album in 10+ years and Axl pretty much not doing anything I could be impressed with is COMPLETELY different from Slash released some pretty good Snakepit Albums , One rockin VR record and one record with just fails. Either way , replying sucks to ANY artist on this board would be considered trolling. Well with the obvious exceptions....

you are in the wrong place !!!
 : ok:

you are going to puke  ???  :drool: puke puke puke !!!!  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:
and why ?? just because you said "I, for one, love Slash" ... you must know that we love AXL,
so you must respect every opinion, you have to puke just because of you ....

@ pipi, the right smiley is  :puke:
I love as how slash fans are defensive.


yea and you harped on public recognition.

We have our own eyes ears and hearts. We don't follow the passing opinion of other people.

people may talk shit but do they really care if the musician lives or dies? Why should I give a shit to their mindless words.

I harped on public recognition? I didn't realize making the one time factual statement that Slash is recognized as being one of the best guitar players of a generation could be considered "harping"? I mean, I have no issue with a little lively forum banter, but you seem to try and take an extreme stance on something based on ... well....., nothing.

"We think therefore we rock". What is that supposed to mean exactly? Maybe if you'd actually offer somekind of intelligible insight as to your position on the matter, I'd be able to take it more seriously or at least try and understand what your issue is here. Then you go on to say, "people may talk shit but do they really care if the musician lives or dies"? Where in the hell is that coming from and what exactly are you implying? Are you asking whether or not I "care" if Axl lives or dies? Well, considering he's my favorite frontman and had a large part in creating some of my favorite albums of all time, yes, I'd say that I would prefer that the man does not die.  :hihi: But I'd also say the same thing about Slash. I'm not going to let some personal issues between the 2 of them force me to choose sides on where my loyalty lies. For Christ sake, who in there right mind would? They're 2 grown men and this is just about a band. I don't take it nearly as serious as I would if someone hurt my mom.  :hihi: There's 2 sides to every story and usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Who said what years ago makes no real difference to me.

So before continuing to refer to those who don't take your exact position as being "mindless" how about typing a little more than a "Axl rocks ... Slash sucks" one-liner; clearly expressing where this misguided anger of yours seems to be coming from. When Axl made the comment, "the less anyone hears from Slash or his supporters the better", I think that was in relation to some past allegations that he may have made. I don't think he was implying to his fanbase that you should throw Slash's cds away.  :hihi: Like Axl said, he's not trying to take away anything from the man's past efforts. And even if he was, I could personally care less as it doesn't involve me.

read my posts in this thread. and your post where you go on what the general public and media say.

I don't remember typing any "Axl rocks ... Slash sucks" one-liner. as this thread is about our preferences on guitarists.
 
Plus, why you take everything so personal?

Your opinion, and it's fine. I just got the impression that you love Slash so much to be your hero because you don't really used your "rational thought" when talking about Robin and ignoring what I said previously about the songwriting and amount of material each one have.

Ok. I just re-read your posts in this thread.

Gee .. I don't why "I" am the one "taking things so personal".   :hihi:

If anything, I'm the one saying leave the personal out of it and just enjoy the music that they gave you.

Those general public or the media, no gnr fans say whatever without thinking. and you take their drivels serious.
we don't.

 

Hey pp, thanks for pointing that out about the right smiley.   : ok: 
You don't think the above post by pipi was defensive?  It's all the hearts and shit that makes me want to barf.  It's ironic that some people here like to constantly refer to Slash as someone's "hero", yet we have to be subjected to posts such as that one above.  Which, by the way, last I looked this topic was about Robin and Slash - not Axl. 

maybe but pipi sounds cute.  :P basically it's very rude to puke on others honest opinion, nevermind I often do. :P

plus she or he is new here and angereles seems like from non English speaking country (sorry if I'm wrong!) so I can't help admiring their guts.

Ok. I give up. I read this at least a half a dozen times now and I honestly have no idea what it is that you're saying. I recognize that it's likely a grammar barrier, but it doesn't make grammatical sense. Nor does it really form a complete thought. At least not one that I am able to recognize.


Take what seriously? The concensus that Slash is a well-known and respected guitar player? It's not like he hasn't received these honors from numerous sources, you realize? And typically, these polls are based on an artist's contributions, demand, and appeal. You don't personally have to take it seriously. Nonetheless the fact remains that he is recognized as one of the best and unique guitar players of our time. If you hadn't noticed, it's not just Axl's writing and vocals that made AFD, Lies, and the UYIs such timeless albums.

I don't know about you but rock is about seeing things for yourself, being true to yourself not obeying anyone else  than yourself. I found this band (cd era) and this board rock in 2003. and the shows and cd proves me right robin and everyone rocks hard on there. Yes this is coming from a pure cd breed, can't care less about the band's long gone past which seems like axl and his old friends, but the fans from 1986(non bandwagon jumps) are agreeing with me.
Resting on whatever the public / the media go, you don't rock.

Umm ... so liking and respecting both Axl and Slash's work isn't "being true to myself"?  I'm sorry man, this is just getting toooo bizarre. :hihi: I assure you that I don't like Slash because he's a well recognized artist. I like him for his work. I only commented that he is a known and respected musician because you said that "hating Slash is natural". Maybe to you. To the other 99.7% of the GNR fanbase, probably not.


So, what does hating Slash and thinking CD rocks hard have to do with one another? Is it not possible to say "CD rocks hard, and I bet Slash's solo album will kick ass"? I mean, really. Would saying that not make you "true to yourself"?

At least you cleared up one thing. I'm assuming since you just discovered the band during the CD years that you are likely in your teens to early 20s. Nothing wrong with that. Just provides some insight as to how you might think.


^ Again, bro. I have no idea what you're even saying.   :hihi:

where do I hate slash?
 I don't know him and I'm totally indifferent. so are the most non us rock fans. he isn't relevant that's all.

 ::) Sound familiar?

Right before you made that comment you suggested that "Slash sucks eggs". Just doesn't seem like the kind of comment one would make who is "indifferent" to the situation.



He isn't relevant? This thread asks which guitar player you appreciate more. If I were to say, "Buckethead" now that would be "irrelevant" to this conversation.

Bottom line is, you said that "he sucks eggs", that it's "natural to hate him", then you tried claiming that he is "irrelevant", but in the same breath insisted that you are "indifferent." Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that you have no real basis for the dissing and that you were just looking to take a couple quick jabs? To me, that would be a whole lot easier than to continue with this nonsense.

He's sucking eggs and he isn't relevant anymore. Only old GNR fans and GNR bashers care. facts. and I'm even wishing good lack to him.
Truth is that the truth hurt so you don't agree.

I have to ask this question. How old are you? Or probably even more appropriate, how young are you?  :hihi:

Judging by your ongoing childish remarks, I think it would be fair to make the assumption that you obviously care.


Ahh ... I see. Your "opinion" is now worthy of being labeled as the truth? 
Oh yes. I certainly agree. Whatever was I thinking?  Wow. Just wow.  :rofl:

Like I said why slash fanatics tend to make everything so personal? ???

I had to call some people in my office to read over some of your posts. Thanks. The concensus seems to be that you're likely between 19-23 years of age based on your remarks. And to be honest, neither of these co-workers are Slash or GNR fanatics for that matter. But, thanks again for the Friday afternoon laugh. It was needed. 
 :hihi:

I believe this thread is never about any posters age or any poster but  your preference between the two ex GNR guitarists.

So...if, as this thead suggests,  slash's best work was pulled out of him by Axl, it will be interesting to
see what guitar solos robin produces outside of GNR, as that would then be the test - what can each of them acomplish away from Axl's brilliance at extracting solos.

The guitar on 5' Oclock somewhere is kickass and a hell of a benchmark to live up to in any competition.

It's foolish for us to get into these disputes anyway. I actually think both Slash and Robin are awesome guitarists with quite unique styles of playing.

I get that some people, really enjoy robin's playing. Makes sence. What i don't get is why that translates for some people as then hating slash. And  I do wonder how many of the people  not being "led" by the masses into liking slash, and who hate him, would change their mind if Axl and Slash ever became friends again. And for that matter what people would write if Axl didn't read this board.

Slash of course, what a question  ::)

Those who say Robin aren't true GN'R fans or weren't born when the old band was around... or are brainwashed and full of hatred.

The "Axl VS Slash" is a stupidity. Slash is Guns N' Roses as much as Axl. And vice versa. We love them both. Both are legends. It will be like that forever and ever, until they die. I'm sure even when they die God will ask them to reconciliate and reform Guns N' Roses  ;D

Take for what is worth, but Robin's solos (along with Bucket) on Ghosts Of Mars Soundtrack are all awesome to me.

True.

I don't hate Slash. I'm interested on what he'll do on his solo album. But still, I struggled to listen to what he did since he left the band and I think it's really unfair to compare the volume of work from both when Robin had such a different path on GN'R and his solo carreer (if any). Even so, he still has a lot to offer for those who like him.

And also I think is dumb to say how we prefer Robin because we just support Axl. If so, I'd been raving about DJ Ashba here.

So, I'm not a true GNR fan because I like Robin more? ::)

And I've been a fan since 1989. Prolly more than you (but if isn't, the point is taken).

This thread is one of the most embarrassing things I have ever read.


Wow.

Just because you like so much Slash, right? ::)

It's really funny. I mean, if it was DJ Ashba, who has no real recording (not only studio, I mean bootleg too) with GNR, I'd say it could be pointless.

But Robin has played many gigs with the band and obviously has the new album. Why the fuck can't someone like him more?


I'm a fan since 1989, I love Slash but I prefer Robin's take on Slash's solos. Like I love GN'R version of KOHD and hate the Bob Dylan (or even Bon Jovi). Like I love Sailing (not the accoustic version) played by GNR and not so much by Rod Stewart. Like I love Hendrix's All Along The Watchtower and not the original from Dylan.

Is that a problem to you? Just because someone created something, it doesn't mean it can't be polished. Hence why I love Look At Your Game Girl.

Also, people here are trying too hard to forget or ignore that even if Robin has only one song credited on Chinese (even though I remember I see something about him having writing credits on Shacklers too before the album came out), he wrote his own parts in the record (like his lead guitar on Catcher, or his solo work on SOD).

But then when people want to defend Slash, they all come like "oh, his a legend, everybody knows him and he's loved by everybody" or "oh, he released XXXXX songs and Robin only one".

Fuck it. We had time enough to know Robin and his style. We had proof enough to love the guy. And, what matters most, the fucking title of the thread says "Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?". It's amazing how some of you can't even respect other people's taste.

So I say: posts like this one above me are "one of the most embarrassing things I have ever read". Shows how narrow minded some can be.

I stopped reading there.

Then you just proved my point.

you aren't saying you think axl reads this thread, are you?  :hihi:
Whether axl is watching (doubt it) or not, or whoever is, it doesn't change the opinions of Robin fans in this thread. Robin's not in the band either, remember?

If you saw the board several years ago you'd know voodoo has been kicking asses like he does above since then.
Back then we had eva 33 norway nytunz younggunner etc in the array of positiveness. some of them don't post much any more. some flopped over to the dark force some got involved in some pig cult.

about the 'hating slash', jim bob was originally half in jest on 'sucks' like i was on 'eggs', I assume. we do hate slashers tho.

about the masses,
nothing important for us who don't follow other people's opinions but in the real world there are possibly more NIN fans than VR fans.  they wouldn't like slash better than robin. In this regard maybe robin actually has more fans than slash now.

lastly,
good post overall, monkeychow. plz say hello to neemo james and madagas for me : ok:

Voodoo, I think what this poster meant was how ridiculous some of the posts actually can be.  Those are some inane posts there, regardless of who likes who or what.  And then your first response was this Just because you like so much Slash, right? which had nothing to do with it, really. 

Then there's this.  Statements like this are what provoke people and bring out the same old arguments:
 

Now, here's a sensible post:
It's foolish for us to get into these disputes anyway. I actually think both Slash and Robin are awesome guitarists with quite unique styles of playing.- monkeychow

No matter what, I guess when there's a topic titled "Robin vs Slash" it's going to turn into the same old drivel.   

 
just all happened to be non slash friendly posts?
care to elaborate on why those posts are ridiculous?

and tell me if you find any substance in the post you quoted than a malice.

It makes no difference if they are Slash friendly posts or not.
If there was a post that quoted 'Robin' and someone wrote 'Sucks' underneath, I would have thought and said the same thing. It represents the absolute lowest commen demominator post there is. It showed that he had nothing to add, no argument, no discussion or anything to contribute, and so resorted to shit throwing.

fuck off nesquick.    its called a personal preference.

oh really?  Then why hasn't he been in the band since 1996?   He is no longer a part of Guns N Roses, get the fuck over it.

How could that be when GNR are still together?

Yeah, I don't get why some find this hard to see. Someone says Slash "sucks", then in turn, it will spawn a Robin "sucks" remark .... then *repeat*. Is that pretty much the game? Pretty lame ass way to have a good time to say the least.

Even more bizzarre, you have this "special" person or 2 who likes to attack others because they mention liking or respecting Slash. I'm not sure if they feel like they're doing God's work or what the hell their problem is. Keep in mind, my posts didn't have one bad word to say about Axl, AND it was in a thread that posed the question "Robin or Slash: Who do you prefer"?

Why not just get a life and enjoy the music? Why all the bullshit drama? Did this dispute between Axl and Slash have anything to do with any of your personally? In the end, what is your senseless hatred of any one of them going to prove? I don't think Axl himself expects any of you to sit on a message board throwing bombs at the guy all day. It's a shame that some fans see one's admiration towards one of the original members as an act of disrespect towards Axl. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of you. Get over it already.

If its all about Axl, why would we defend Robin now as he's an ex-member too?

IMHO, he's entitled to his opinion. But it is also ridiculous how he just throw A LOT of reasonable posts in the garbage too.

Also ridiculous his response. If I'm wrong, at least try to explain - just like you did. Disrespectfully, he didn't want to go further.

We're talking about a former member.

It's quite obvious that not everybody is going to love what the former members have done since GN'R.

That's the point.



Just because Gilby was in GN'R doesn't mean you have to love Rockstar Supernova etc.



/jarmo

The point is  ' Sucks' is a trolling style post.

Gilby never wrote or recorded one single original song with GNR, so the comparison doesn't  hold water.
I think people get annoyed when someone who was a major contributor to 3 of the 4 full length albums GNR has done isn't shown any level of respect. Granted this site is geared more for the new band, but its still a GNR site, therefore Slash being perhaps the 2nd or 3rd biggest contributor to what GNR has done so far should be afforded a little respect....the same way Axl should. This DOESN'T mean no criticism, but surely a GNR site shouldnt goad it'd members into slagging a former major contributor.

The precedent now set, what happens if someone posts a reply stating that CD or Axl ' Suck' and that's all they have to offer?? I'll assume it won't now be deleted??

On topic.

I personally was over the moon when Finck joined GNR, but IMHO he is more hype or style than substance....I just don't like his playing, thats a personal opinion based on his style...or lack of.
Slash is an awesome guitarist, unfortunately he's not so great without a great songwriter to base things off.

yea keep in mind it wan't about your opinion on some poster. No one said your posts had a bad word about axl. Alternatively, whose post had?


Again, I don't know about slash fans but robin fans all know Robin's not in GNR. We have our own eyes, ears and minds. Our personal preference for a guitarist has nothing to do with axls or anyone elses.

how about....


a world of difference for you?

The difference is that Axl is a member of the band.

You fail to realize that there's a difference between coming to a GN'R site to say you hate the (current) band or to say that you think a former member's music sucks.


Stop assuming shit.


There's no rule that says you have to love the former members of the band to post here.

You're aware that a bunch of people actually became fans of the band after people left the band right?

We don't give a fuck what you like or dislike, as long as you're a GN'R fan that supports the band. Other than that it doesn't matter if Adler's Appetite is your second favorite band in the universe or if you hate them.


So if you come here to post shit about Axl and/or GN'R, you're obviously on the wrong fucking site and you might wanna look up some sites dedicated to the former members.



/jarmo

I'll assume the term 'you' is used in the general sense rather than specifically to me then??

I for one certainly do not 'love' Slash, but as a major contributor to what GNR was I certainly respect the man, and I woulda thought that being a GNR site and not purely a new GNR site then a basic level of respect should apply. Like I said respect DOES not mean no criticism where valid. The divide between 'Slash fans' and Axl fans is a joke....both parties should get over it. Unfortunately this childishness appears to be encouraged at times.

Purely as a guitarist I rate Slash much higher than Finck, as I've said previously I cant wait to see what Fortus brings collaboration wise as I think he has an excellent style, great tone and appears to have the chops to write a lot of great rock music.  Fortus V Slash would be a seriously good debate when the next album is released.

another thread turned into pointless handbag swinging.
why cant people just accept others views and shut the fuck up!

Tell that to people who think it's impossible to prefer Robin.

I believe wadey's comment refers to everyone arguing here. Everyone is as bad as each other

How come?

All I've been trying to say is how I'm entitled to my opinion and how the fact that I prefer Robin Finck does not mean I'm not a fan of the band or whatever. A lot of people here came just to say how much Slash is good and how it's impossible to like Robin (using some questionable arguments such as songwriting), which is pretty narrow minded and disrespectful.

Also, I don't think those type of comments help that much on the thread. Nobody is forced to come here and read it.

Look you are entitled to prefer Robin, that's fine and the point of the thread is about opinion.

What I don't get is the post above where you count songwriting is a questionable argument in discussing who you prefer as a guitarist.

Correct me where my logic is wrong.

Favourite guitarist ( the function of a guitarist is either to WRITE music or play it) therefore songwriting or ability to write music.
If writing music is irrelevant to the discussion of who we prefer as a guitarist , then I give up.

It baffles me that when comparing two guitarists someone can say ability to write music is a questionable argument.....just baffles me. Surely the music they write is the key point??? and the major indicator of they're style??
Surely after 10 years in a band and you only have one songwriting credit then your ability as a contributing guitarist must be a little suss?? or are we all about image here???

It's a damn preference. You can like a guitarist for any reason.
If it's the credits on booklets that makes you like a guitarist, that's fine.

But what voodoo is getting at is the preach that a guitarist without tons of song writing credits can't be preferred and all the guitar parts written/ arranged performed by him should be ignored.

Pavarotti had many fans, you know.

Because you are 100% right that it is an opinion and thinking it is impossible to prefer Finck is stupid. Knowing that there is no point to argue and argue. Im not saying that every person who prefers Slash(Im one of 'em) is completely in the wrong either though.

Yeah, ppbebe is right. As I said SEVERAL times, songwriting (I'm talking about the main songwriting credits) doesn't require one to be a good guitar player. I don't agree, but I guess a lot of you thinks Paul Tobias is not a good guitar player - but he does have more credits than Robin. Hell, Richard Fortus, which a lot of Slash fans doesn't mind that much, has NO credits at all on the album. Does that makes him a bad guitar player?

Again: Robin has only Better (which IMHO is already a lot, as the song is almost perfect to me), but who said he didn't write any of his solos? It's stupid to even have to explain that, but again: if by your logic you need to have main songwriting credits in order to be a good guitar player, so we can all disregard Slash's work in Estranged, November Rain, LALD, KOHD and so on...

Now, if you want to talk about guitar songwriting skills, we can include Robin in the other Chinese songs, possibly NIN and also his work on Ghosts of Mars soundtrack. Or even his solo spots, his changed solos on the old songs.. I think you got the point.

I don't think people are wrong if they prefer Slash. I just think they didn't put a good reason to discredit Robin as they did.

If you come here and say "oh, I think Slash's guitar playing is better" or "I prefer his style" or just "Slash sounds better", its just fine. But to say "oh, Robin  can't be put in the same sentence as Slash" or "Robin has just one track, Slash is a legend!!" is plain baseless.

since neither is in the band anymore and won't be playing with the band anytime soon, i guess i would have to go with slash since he was the lead guitarist on so many of the guns song's i love; as for the current lineup, I'd have to say my favorite that appears on Democracy is Buckethead since it seems he was the lead guitarist on most of my favorite songs off democracy, followed closely by Bumblefoot since he brought more of a rock sound to the album than an industrial sound.  As much as I like Better, I enjoy Scraped and Sorry so much more.

haha, funny discussion.

Its Slash hands down.  He IS a better player in all areas.

And Slash will be the one remembered in years to come.  Not Robin Finck

While I agree that Slash would be my choice too, I don't find it all that funny.  I know PLENTY of people who think Slash is vastly overrated.  And I'm sure a whole bunch of NIN and new GNR fans could make quite a case for Robin.  Just because someone is more well known doesn't mean they're necessarily better.  CC Deville is probably better known than Eric Johnson, but I certainly wouldn't say he's better.

Another one who prove my point making fun of people who has different taste. What else could you expect from this guy, tho?

So,

Most important thing is "to be remembered".

And your personal opinion is a fact.

Got it. It doesn't matter if you happen to support a guy who has done almost nothing worthy in 15 years. : ok:

doesn't this kind of discussion remind you of those stories about the dawn of rock music?

grandpas and mas said it's noise not music listen to real things like Mozart instead but that never could stop your parents from loving it.  :hihi:

Here you got Big solos, Riff & Songs (Try to focus in Slash's performance):

- "Give In to Me"
- "Beggars & Hangers-On"
- "Neither Can I"
- "Back and Forth Again"
- "Been There Lately"
- "Just Like Anything"
- "Shine"
- "Back to the Moment"
- "Serial Killer"
- "Sucker Train Blues"
- "Fall to Pieces"
- "You Got No Right"
- "Slither"
- "Loving the Alien"
- "Just Sixteen"
- "Gravedancer"
- "Messages"

Some songs written through the years (WIHTOUT AXL), don't you think whether these song would have been
in a same record, would be as good as Chinese Democracy?.



Your questions it is ridiculous, even more as we know a lot of Slash? albums (WITH OUT AXL) since he left the band. Besides November Rain used to be a song that lasted about 25 minutes, then the whole band, including Slash, work in it. Slash wrote those amazing guitar solos that take the song a next level. On the otther hand, I agree, Chinese Democracy has some masterpiece because Axl is so talented as well as his currente bandmates (like Pitman or Tobias)


 

?Slash?s artistically dead?!!. Do you realize the nonsense what are you talking about?.
Slash is absolutely in force, more than ever. Actually, he is currently recording a new record, along to big, big artists.

Wouldn't Slash having done "almost nothing worthy in 15 years" be considered an opinion too?

^ That's called irony. I used my opinion as fact just like he did just to prove a point.

No, IMHO. Give In To Me and You Got No Right are great, tho.

And I think Fall To Pieces is overrated. To me, it would sound like Yesterdays 2 with Axl (which is not that good in my opinion too).

Source?

I mean, as far as I know, November Rain were already a 10 min song by the time the band really started to working on it. Also, I think Slash didn't want to work on that - Axl said something about that, I guess.

The main melody of the solos were there in the piano demo, from Axl.

But I actually think you're right. Slash's work on the song is amazing, even if he has absolutely NO credit in the writing. Wich reminds me some people who likes to bring writing credits to the whole discussion and to underestimate Robin's work on Chinese Democracy.

Agreed.

Just to throw a quick point out there about Slash's solos only being good when Axl is around. If you read Slash's book you will see that Axl wasnt therre when he recorded them (which is very normal for the studio), so that is a completely moot point. And as +rocker+ has made a list of incredible guitar work its a dead subject.

nothing in that fucking guy's book is credible.  and no one who puts "slash is god" as their sig is credible.   

IF its true what Slash said, Axl could very well listen to the recording sessions and push him if it wasn't good enough. Same as Izzy would do with Slash too, I guess.

No one who uses a qoute from someone he doesnt know to justify his own hatred of people just for liking a musician is credible.

Voodoochild I get your point but to give credit to somebody else for Slash's guitar playing is ridiculous. Slash's GN'R work is generally his best stuff, but the reason is probably that he was at the height of his career and had the determination and passion of being in the band that he got to the top with. Not to say that he hasnt done other amazing guitar work after Guns but everyones creativity has its peaks and troughs.

I must say I lost 90% of my interest on GNR since Robin left. He replaced the lead guitar spot very very well. He's the man to keep your eyes on the live show. His image, style and, of course, guitar playing are interesting and innovative.

NIN is my favorite band, and I'm glad he's back. DJ Ashba looks and sounds promising, if they tour some day, I hope he kicks ass.

As for Robin, now that NIN is going on hiatus and I think Axl wouldn't accept him back I hope he releases something by himself, maybe some contributions with old band mates? Buckethead, Danny Lohner, Jerome Dillon, all talented musicians and friends of the Finckster.

I think Axl would accept Robin back with open arms.  He doesn't seem to hold any ill will towards him.  Though his spot has been filled so I don't know what role he'd play.  But heck, they already have 2 drummers, what's another guitarist? Maybe he's waiting for Buckethead and Paul Tobias' schedules to clear.

Face it man, Robin is a cool player.  He was my favourite of the new band.  But, Slash is a certified guitar hero.
If you think that Robin is better, then thats cool, it is YOUR opinion.
Slash is working on his 5th album since he left GNR.  Not to mention many other collaborations!
A lot of Snakepit and VR tracks really rock.  "nothing worthy" is again, YOUR opinion.
He has done a LOT more than some others since leaving GNR.
Lets remember, Contraband went to number 1 in its first week.  that was obviously quite worthy!

$lash is a corporate whore and a cariculture of his glory days in guns.   Nothing cool about that at all.   


that would be AWESOME :beer:

so now your an expert on someone's life, that you hate more than your life itself

go back to watching the ritz show old timer

So what matters is not personal taste, but his fame?

Of course its MY opinion. Thats was me being ironic about your previous post stating opinions as fact.

Which, BTW, you just proved again.

So did Britney Spears several times. So, she must be better than Slash!

what? ???

I'm basically translating a spanish expression to english in my mind. Sorry if that has no sense in english  :peace:

what I wanted to say is that Slash is an incredible performer, his onstage attitude is amazing, he's incredibly magnetic at the point you cant stop looking at him in the shows. He moves around, runs, jumps, he has a lot of ''strenght'' live, and Buckethead is a quiet guy, you cant see his face so you cannot know if he's enjoying the show, if he is feeling ''anything'' at all, and his look doesnt exactly match the overall historic GNR image. Slash live is pure adrenaline, and Buckethead is something like a block of ice. This is just my opinion. Needless to say that I still prefer Buckethead in GNR rather than Slash.

I hope you can understand my point now.

maybe you mean he was?  :P
You can say those things about Robin.

Slash is still an incredible performer, he still has an impressive stage presence, even though he plays in a massive amount of shit band like VR. I saw VR live, they suck, but Slash keeps being as magnetic as always. He, and the ''Sex Type Thing'' performance are the only reasons to see VR live.

Robin is still awesome also, as he always was. NIN is an incredible band and even though Robin's role at NIN is not as protagonic as in Guns, he's a show in his own.

Yeah but has Robin ever gone on stage during a opening bands performance naked fucking a inflatable naked women Slash (100% sure of)and I think Duff (80% sure of) did in one of the Use Your Illusions tour gigs I dont have a date in my memory but I know its in Slash's book.  :beer:

I'd hate it if robin did that as it's not very much his thing or GNR of today.
Guess slash was great then and robin is great in this century. 

I don't think this scene would make me like a guitar player any more. :nervous:


Esteban, I get what you're saying, but I don't think Bucket really needs the same type of performance. He has his own style and I actually think it was great back when he was in the band. His playing only is far more interesting than any coolness Slash may have with VR.

Also think ppbebe is right about Robin. He was cool to see on stage, even doing some weird movements.

In fact, as long as I like the sound, I don't really care at stage presence that much.

Oh I forgot you ARE the decider of what is credible and what is not  :rofl:

This is a forum everyone has opinions and people disagree , to say that some people are more credible on the forum than others is pretty ludicrous , unless you are

A ) In Guns N' Roses / Have been in Guns N' Roses

or

B ) Are close enough to the band to know what is "going on" ( Ex. Jarmo )

than you are in the same boat as everyone else. We are all just fans. 

Still, I agree with Jim Bob. Slash's book is not credible at all. But, there's already a whole thread about this.

yup, an entire thread about its inaccuracies and errors.

on topic, I was watching some 2006 boots earlier, and Robin nails that intro to WTTJ better than ol whats his name ever did. :)    I get goose bumps every time.     

and Robin's SCOM solo too.

Get back to me when Robin writes a SCOM type timeless solo. Then we can have this discussion.

I think Slash easily out performs Robin on WTTJ and SCOM.   : ok:

But, lets look at the guitar work on Chinese Democracy compared to say Appetite.  Unfortunately, there is only 1 or 2 good riffs on CD and the guitar work overall aint that good.  Some of the solo's are just tired shredding and don't fit the songs. SCOM solo pisses all over TIL.

Nothing on CD has the swagger of Brownstone, Rocket Queen or is as aggresive as ISE or MM.

The guitar playing on Appetite has influenced a whole generation of  guitarists.   Chinese Democracy flopped quite quickly.

his playing of the solos sounds better to my ears.   is that so hard to understand?

After seeing NIN on Saturday it is clearly evident to me that Robin and Trent need to be with each other.  Trent is letting him shine more now than ever before and Robin has responded with brilliant playing.  Much in the same way that Perry and Dave from JA need and feed off of each other.  Great chemistry is what it all boils down to.

I enjoy the new GnR stuff, I 've seen them live a few times and I never saw that chemistry between Axl and Bucket or Robin.  I think Axl needs Slash as much as Slash needs Axl.

An irrelevant point around here. People wont accept that this is how chemistry works in Axl and Slash's case. (This of course has nothing to do with who you prefer as a guitar player)

Couldn't agree more. I'm seriously surprised this is even being debated.


Again, I completely agree.

I would have thought with the album's high budget and multitude of individuals involved, there would have been more memorable solos that came out of these sessions. I'm not saying the guys aren't talented, I just don't think any of it was overly special. Almost as if it lacked any real "feel".

I did like TWAT solo. Very Estanged-ish feel. Easily the best of the bunch.

Cool. More opinions stated as facts.

If TWAT, SOD, Better, TIL and Catcher's solos aren't "memorable" for you, I doubt you ever would like any other guitar solo (besides Slash's ones, of course :P) in the world ever.

Street Of Dreams and This I Love are as good to me. You seem unable to have such a discussion with someone who disagree with you, so you'll never get anyways.

No, it doesn't. And your ignorance on making such a statement about the guitar work on Chinese Democracy really shows you how a fanboy of Slash you are.

Riad is far more agressive than ISE to me. Also, the most agressive GNR song ever is rather Oh My God or Perfect Crime.

Great, another one more concerned about the popularity of the album than its quality. ::)

I know you don't like it. Fair enough. Just don't tell me it's not good because it didn't had any influence on anyone, because it's a baseless assumption way too soon to be said and also more about its popularity.

I remember Faith No More's album King For A Day. It didn't went too well once it got released (it didn't have the same line-up and went way too far from the previous albums), but now it has a whole generation of guitarists influenced by it. IMHO, it's the best FNM album too.

You people are too funny. You just can't take it how some people prefer others. Tell me about being narrow minded.

So im ignorant for having an opinion about the guitar playing on CD?  All the songs on AFD are guitar driven with cool riffs and are Classics at this stage.  A lot of songs on CD aren't guitar driven.  There isnt really any brilliant Riffs.  Ive been playing guitar myself for years so I am in a postion where i feel i can make a decent comparision.   

maybe YOU'RE ignorant cos all you've done is passed me off as an "ignorant fanboy of Slash" when im giving my opinion about guitar playing???

At least someone unnderstands!  :beer:

What a surprise to see Rob and jacdaniel agreeing with each other. :P

No. The problem is you stating your OPINION as fact to disregard the album. Read the part where I quoted you again.


You mean the ballads? Which one exactly? Maybe because Chinese is not a AFD 2 and never pretended to be?

You're comparing an album with Catcher, Street of Dreams, Madagascar, This I Love e Prostitute with another who has only Sweet Child O' Mine (which is only "half-ballad"). What do you expect?


I've been playing guitar for 14 years and I say there is brilliant riffs like Better, Riad and Scraped. But I'm sorry, you're opinion is a fact.


I don't care about your opinion. Just read again what you write and you will understand why I said that.

When someone just disregard such a different work (tell me if I'm wrong, but where in the mainstream music do you hear such a complex guitar work) comparing to AFD (an essential hard rock album prety much straight foward), it is ignorance.

You don't like the album or its guitar work, fine. Just don't tell me it's a fact. Hell, I even bothered to explain in the other post. You ignored what I said just to take this part when I called you a fanboy. I won't bother with it again.

Again: I'm not saying you can't have a opinion. BUT you all need to understand how a lot of other people here don't feel the same, so it's not a matter of fact or which one is better because it sold more in the charts.

going by your slash trolling and that stupid avatar you have, what else are we supposed to think? 

the concept is not hard to understand;

but the reality of that statement: IMO, is impossible to fathom;

but - people ARE ALLOWED to have different preferences in this country

even if i think your fucking crazy :hihi:

shouldn't this thread be locked? since robin's no longer in the band, does it matter who's preferred?

No, that why its in the 'dead horse' section
and we can still discuss our opinions on the two

yes it should if dead horse was locked.

and no it don't matter :headbanger:

'Cause it would take a lot more hate than you
To end the fascination

Not that it's hard to believe people should be more understanding I mean back when GN'R did Sympathy For The Devil I think that version kicked the shit out of the Rolling Stones version but reguard less you should respect the classic version but I still am on slashes side on this.

By the way to the people who think Slash isn't creditable why don't you try to go through half the problems Slash and other Gunners (past and present) have gone through then try to discredit them.

sympathy is a real bad example....axl had paul huge re-record some or all of his solo and that really really pissed slash off, and I think he was referring to fink's playing the solo of SCOM live as opposed to Slash's rendering and Fink's versions of Slash's solo's in general. 

your both ridiculous and both make good point :hihi:
AFD had catchier riffs
CD has better Ballads
AFD sold way more and was critically acclaimed
CD has gotten good reviews but hasn't taken off, and has got to be one of the most highly anticipated,
worst promoted, most expensive albums of all-time
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can we agree these are "facts and not opinions" :hihi:
or am I missing something?

Jim Bob, you NEVER offer anything interesting to ANY thread.  I might not agree with Voodoo Child but at least he takes the time to make a point.  All u do is throw random insults around at anybody who doesn't wanna suck Axl off.

You really cant mention the word troll to anyone when all you do is lurk around the Slash/VR threads throwing in some random/sarcastic comments every once in a while.

The thread is called "Robin vs Slash, which one do you prefer?", so if i wanna give my opinions on Slash, I WILL do.  : ok:

And don't worry Jim Bob, I wont tell anyone that you're a secret Slash fan!



You're pretty much right.  Although id say more ballads is more accurate.

You may be missing what kind of review AFD got back when it got released. Also should consider all the prejudice the new album got because of the "its-not-GNR" shit and/or because the time it took. At the end of the day, its still a matter of opinion. But aside of that, I pretty much agree with what you said. :P

No man, Paul Tobias didn't re-record Slash's solos. All he did was to add an extra layer in some small parts of the first solo, doing an effect like a "mirror guitar", like Slahs himself called. If you listen to the song with earphones you'll notice Paul's guitar in the left channel only, while Slash solo is the middle as usual.

What pissed Slash off was the level of volume on Paul guitar (louder than what he would like) and even its inclusion without his aknowledge. If you believe in my unbiased (at my best) opinion in this case, I think Paul Tobias guitar are as loud as Izzy's one on AFD, so no harm there. But we all know Slash didn't want another rhythm guitar that way by that time.

I love the song the way it is and I think it really shows how good Paul is - way more than any other new song. Slash's work there is awesome too. What really makes me sad is how I got the impression by that time that we would have a new GNR album and how the new approach seemed heavier than before with Paul and Slash, what was really good to me. Saddly, things got worse after SFTD and we never got anything more from this lineup.

Still, I love the new sound so much that I don't really miss what could happen.

i was trying to keep opinions and prejudices out of the analysis and be completely objective;

didn't remember exactly what huge/tobias changed on Sympathy, only that it really pissed off slash and may have contributed to his desire to leave the band

After Izzy left, it seemed to be Slash that had the say in getting a guitar player (Gilby), but of course it had to be agreed with Axl also.  However, after Gilby left/got fired, Axl seemed to be looking to bring in people like dave navarro and zakk Wylde.  Then came SFTD which you've just explained above and i dont think it all sat well with Slash.

Being a lead guitarist, you should be the one who chooses who is gonna play with you.

according to his book, slash was pissed when axl fired gilby and started to force feed him guitarists like tobias/huge; b/c for whatever reason, slash just didn't like the dude and he saw no reason to fire gilby having toured w/ him for over two years

looking back, that seems to be the beginning of the end for slash, matt and duff and there stay in GnR

yeah, i dont think they were the same after izzy and steven (fired) left.  But once Slash left, that was it.  Apparently Matt left/got fired after someone made a negative comment bout Slash at rehearsal and Matt backed Slash up.  (after he left).

In all fairness, i can see Slash's frustration in all of this.

No, it should be a band decision.

I don't know the true conditions by that time, but Axl always said how Slash never brought someone worth to write with him. Instead, he wanted to write everything (like he did with Snakepit songs). Also, I can't believe Slash didn't know about Paul recorded parts untill the release of the song. If he cared that much, he could try to block its release.

Well, I don't know, but Duff and Matt stayed for long three years after that.

WTF? I was replying and you come with insults?

Robin left the band in 1999 and came back in late 2000. And Bucket left in 2004 just a month or so prior to RIR4.

Keep the facts straight before talking shit.

who gives a fuck?  the topic is robin vs slash.

go jump off a casino rooftop ok?

Robin interview is fake.  Funny how fans of the old band like to twist stuff around.

yeh, i can see how you would misunderstand about me wanting someone to leave-I just worry ron may get frustrated and end up leaving himself and I asked that question out loud....

As for the Finck interview, i read both last night; the 2002 interview seemed like a continuation of the one you pointed out; and i didn't know it was a fake as it was not clear to me-call me gullible :-[  but the tone of the interview seemed pretty consistent and IMO, to say between 2002-06 that there is definitly NO WAY he could have left and came back seems to me, to be a bit far-fetched given his history

and i may have jumped the gun calling you a nut hugger and apologize :-[ :hihi: (not that you care) - i actually enjoyed all the new members contributions to CD, think the arrangements are excellent, and it is probably the best written, best performed, rock album since the Illusions and would have loved to see all the members perform this live (though buckets whole stage presence does absolutely nothing for me and I find it quite disturbing actually :hihi:-but his playing on CD is flawless, as is Robins.  I just think the way axl handled the entire 15+ year journey of the album made the GnR name into a bad joke; and if he's OK with that (and apparantly he is), who am i to criticize.  I just think it's a damn shame.

Someone got a little annoyed when he found out his interview "proof" was fake.


Next time you pull this insult shit will be the last.


Locked due to fake interviews and general insults from one "fan".



/jarmo