Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After 16 years of imprisonment Varg Vikernes will soon be released from the prison.


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Claiming self-defence he confessed killing the guitarist in Mayhem and was accused for setting several churches on fire.

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These are ooooold norwegian stave-churches btw, very cool architecture. :P

While many newly arrived citizens in Norway walks from group-rapes, racist murders, knife-violence and homocide or people driving over women with child-wagons 3-4 times because of honor, gets 2-3 years in prisons averagely, Varg was sentenced 21 years (which is the harshest punishment you can get) for his political views which contrasted with the christian views of Norways state and court-system.

Varg said to the press he is ready for society and that nothing good comes out from sitting in prison.
He is looking forward to being with his wife and children, release music and books.

He is best known for the one-man band Burzum; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luFCBdS5PAs

Welcome back Varg, and thanks for not breaking in :peace:

Folk hero? Are you fucking nuts! The guy drove across the country so he could kill a rival heavy metal guy with a sword and battle axe! Then when in prison he gave up satanism in favor of naziism!

Yeah, thats bad but at least it's not as bad as sympatisizing with human burners, religious totalariaists and opressors of women (neo-christians). :peace:

Maybe it was done to express disgust for the church?
 Or the usual media-lies?

He should be given a medal for the resistance and many people thinks just the same.
Today norwegian black metal is the biggest cultural export-article from Scandinavia. Welcome free Varg! :beer:

Why oh why am I NOT surprised to see Norway has posted this then? :peace:

I'm sure the people who fought for your independence during World War 2 are thrilled to be put in the same category as folk heroes with this guy.

 : ok:




/jarmo

He sounds like a charmer.

I get the distinct impression Norway is a white supremacist or at the least, one of those who cherish the concept of the Vikings.  This is a couple of times now you've posted something in support of someone or something that has those values.  I guess taking pride in something you have no control over is cool and all, but what do you do that makes you so special?

Anyway, this guy sounds like a loser of epic proportions.  It's not that he tried (or maybe sucessfully) to murder someone, it's that he said "Fuck the man" that get him put in jail.  If you believe that I have a lake filled with tropical fish in Greenland I'd be willing to sell you.

my bro has several aquariums filled with various fishes including tropical ones but I don't think he'd sell them to norway.

norway I thought you weren't into any kind of cruelty. murder is a sin in any form of culture.  :no:
and the church looks so wicked. the guy shouldn't have burnt it.

This is one of the ignorant assumptions people make...or just anti-nordite I take it.

The nordic people, unlike indians, samii's etc, just appeared in history during the vikingage right?
That they suddenly had a religion, a democracy but were barbarians and then were christianisized and civil ever since.

Thats our history hm...

 ::)

The vikingage was a reaction to the saxoonwar, read up on it at wiki.

Charlesmange (king of France) destroyed Irminsul and mass-murdered our people-
- so the skandinavian attacks was mostly on France but also other, mainly christian targets, in Europe.

Due to technology evolving, a lot of symbols were created now and developed further, the prettiest art of it to put it that way.

I'm pagan, plain and simple. So are everyone who celebrate christmas, easter etc

The church, also in Norway, is responsible for a systematic mass-murder, opression and massive book-burnings.

They buildt them on the ruins of the destroyed ancient holy places, thats a pretty spitefull, deceitfull act.

It took a long time before someone publicly attacked christianity again, and thats what I support.
The music is quite nice too, especially the instrumental stuff :peace:


You're the one making me special, I just embrace my own culture ;)

The religion of the nordic people during the norse era is just a stage in paganism as is not dogmatic.

I use most the nordic paganism as source,
- but this is indeed the ancient indo-european religion we know from as early as the iron-age.

And regarding that,
- how do YOU like being alluded to mass-murderers just because of the brownstone shooting?

Find it funny? ::)


A hidden fact is that most where with NS, died for NS and most casulties are signed our "allies" :P

That socalled traitor prevented the nazis to execute 100000 civilians as a disiplinary action for the sabotage.

And to be honest, it's better to be nazi than a christian, thats just how it is.

If Varg is into fascism or got some fascination for Hitler then so be it.
I don't get why a norwegian would be tho, they were into nordic paganism and ideals again, whats the point? :hihi:

I never liked the Danmark-Sweeden-Norway split, hate socialism and nordification of other people.

And most importanly, embrace democracy.

BM is about freedom of the individual and honesty without compromize-
-maybe the people who fought in WW2 should have learned to not be filled with predjudice and blindly intolerant?

Infact, many of our war heroes have become a part of folkmovements against immigration. :rofl:



Wasn't sad, not happy either...

Yes the stave-churces looks amazing.
Norway, and the parts of Sweeden that belonged to our kings, weren't catholic this age.

We're the only country in Europe that never been converted to that (yes, proud :P), even under the danes we witheld.

This is why you _only_ find stavechurches here, the gnostics worshipped the serpent in garden of Eden of all things :hihi:

Vidkun Quisling is a "so called traitor"?

His name is the synonym for traitor!  :hihi:

He formed a fascist party in Norway, he was made the "prime minister" of Norway by the Germans.

Nah, he's a hero.  :rofl:




Say what?





Yeah because it's better than being a Christian... We get it.




It's Denmark and Sweden.

Of course you hate socialism, fascists tend to.







/jarmo

This is off topic, and I am CERTAINLY not in any way defending norway's apparently extremely misguided and painful views, but uh...

Fascism and socialism usually go hand in hand.  Most fascists from the 20th century arrived cloaked in socialism.  Stalin, Fidel, or any other other numerous extreme (and I do mean extreme) left-wing dictators (there's too many to list) basically all brought about their power via socialism and so-called people's revolutions.

Fascists tend to love socialism, because socialism tends to restrict economic freedoms, and controlling people economically is a very powerful method.

He prevented war and secured norwegian influence, thats a fact.

He betrayed the goverment, yes.



ALL our values today are pagan and anti-christian.

We only got forgivenes and compassion for the weak from this ridiculous religion as something somewhat "positive".

I taken my stand in this, both banners symbolize extreme cruelty allright-
-but the church is something thats yet to be defeated. : ok:



Do you know even anything at all about Nanna (closeness), Freyja, Tyr (solidarity), Elle (old age), Valkyries, Freyr (beauty/lust) Heimdal etc, other than that official story about norwegians suddenly just raided Europe out of nowhere?

Yeah, wth...lets lit up Lindisfarne! :hihi:

Maybe I didn't make myself clear.

Is that the reason why people on the extreme left fight with those on the extreme right? Because they love each other?


By the way, Norway hates socialism but he has no problem with fascism.

Shouldn't he love socialism too in that case?



Maybe you should be grateful.

If I wasn't as "forgiving" and "compassionate", you might not be posting here today.

 : ok:




/jarmo

you should warn norway..
he makes racists and white pride comments all the time..


and btw
bruzum is overrated..
varg is an asshole

Hate fascism too, socialism is more like a light-version of it to me.

I said I rather live under nationalsocialism than christianity.

I don't care about the nazi-geeks but on the church-issues people are pretty split. :)

In a paranoid thought,-
- maybe they made up the nazi-stuff to drive the attention off the church?

The guy he killed had made plans to kill him and make a snuff-video from it according to the others.

Was he a Christian?

You're just repeating what the murderer says.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes


Sounds like something similar that you keep repeating over and over.





/jarmo

Yea, he's a cutie too.   :drool: :rofl:

Ya know, I may not be Christian, but I sure as hell ain't gonna go and burn a church down.


It's bad enough he murdered somebody and burned down some churches, but it's even worse that theres people that think he's some kind of hero for doing so.

If he actually had a plan to carry out his fascist desires, and was smart about it, then he might.   : ok:

I understand what you're saying.

You get the people on your side to cause a revolution (socialism) and then make yourself the sole leader (fascism)....

But when you say fascism, you don't really think of the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe during the cold war. More like Hitler....

I wouldn't call Hitler a socialist..... Even though it's labeled national socialism. Which is a form of fascism....




/jarmo

was that the real point of injustice you were showing us?  cuz I'mma seein' it, and I dun like.

Don't get me wrong, I think Varg is a scumbag.    Ahhhh, but fuck you, you hypocritical judges who decide how long a man should rot for!  There is no justice!

In October 2003, Vikernes failed to return to his low-security prison in T?nsberg, Norway after having been granted a short leave. He was found riding in a stolen Volvo car, which, according to the media, contained an unloaded AG3 automatic rifle, a handgun, numerous large knives, a gas mask, camouflage clothing, a laptop, a compass, a Global Positioning System, various maps and a fake passport (it is thought that Vikernes came to be in possession of this equipment by means of a military barracks). For this thirteen months were added to his sentence, and he was then moved to a maximum-security prison in Trondheim. He has since been moved again, this time to Troms? Prison.

Oh yes, nothing wrong with this guy at all, he sounds totally rehabilitated to me. :peace:

Norway, you haven't actually been visiting this guy....have you?  :confused:

Yeah, I agree.  I mean, it depends on what you mean by socialism too.  If we're talking about socialism, as in, what exists through much of western Europe, then yeah.

But, I actually do think of fascism when I hear Soviet Union, or Eastern Europe, or Latin America.  There were so many so-called socialist revolutions built on the abolition of economic and religious freedom (and done in the name of atheism) that are completely forgotten about, but did involve brutal and murderous dictators.  In terms of numbers of deaths, there is no political viewpoint greater than socialism, or religious (or non-religious, in this case) viewpoint greater than atheism for which more people will murdered in the name of (in the 20th century).

I'd like to see Varg posting in the relationship advice thread.

Honestly, I can't imagine it would be any worse advice than some around here give.

and this is one of the most ignorants posts i have ever seen

No, (sadly :hihi:), he was the singer in Mayhem.

The murder gets too much attention and had nothing to do with the war afaik.



Not sure about Finland,-
- but this was teached in school so most have a somewhat relaxed relationship to our religion.

Racism is more about direct discrimination solely due to race, not preferences.

The fight against christianity hasn't always been pretty, but Varg got made an example off.

He stood true through all the years and am glad he is back. :peace:

Ok, so he didn't kill a Christian. You know, those "evil" people that you hate so much....

Basically he killed one of his own then with the excuse that the other guy was gonna kill him?

Too much attention?

Maybe if this guy hadn't burned down a church, it would get less attention?




I'm not sure about Finland either because I went to school in Sweden.

We were taught about all major religions at school. No big deal.




Thanks for the lesson.


Fight against Christianity? What is this? The Middle Ages?

It's not like there are crusades going on in Norway today are there?

Are they forcing you to be a good Christian and go to church?

I bet you can live quite happily in your own little bubble without being a Christian in Norway.

How does it offend you that some people chose to believe in God and go to church?

I personally don't care how people chose to spend their time as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.

I'm against extremist behavior though. You know, people who do things in the name of something.



/jarmo

Well church-burning is something I support and hope is done more, legally. ;)




Your own and the one of the Samii people too?

You know, those folks up there...





The distaste for the church is quite big. :)

The diference between christians and nazi's is that one succeeded in it's expansion.

The people never stopped their practice tho, against the will of the murderous judeo-christians.

It's absolutely nothing christian about anything in our culture, like they like to claim.



You get written up as one from birth, whats wrong with people?

And not everyone wanna be open about it cause then youreanazipigthatwannasterilizepeople... ::)



Nps, just don't do it at the expense of others.

Like showing their ugly face at the pagan celebrations, distorting them and tell tales of deceit to the public.

Anyway-
-would you have a problem if someone used a swastika as avatar?

I'm disgusted by the view many have of christianity, in an age of great knowledge.

You can add all the smileys you want, it doesn't hide your true self.



I said major religions.



Cute.

So just because I don't agree with your church burning fascist ways, I'm an idiot?






You fail to realize without it, there'd be something else.

People had a religion before Christianity came to your country.

Why is that better? To live in fear of some other Gods. Where stuff like human sacrifice was probably considered ok.....

Seems like people have been killed in the name of all kinds of beliefs. Not just Christianity.





True, but you can leave.

So how does it affect your day to day life? Other than you getting time off from whatever it is that you do for holidays such as Easter or Christmas.





What do you think?

Oh, and I'm aware where it comes from. But I'm also aware what most people associate it with.

So you might not wanna play the smart ass game with me regarding the meaning of the symbol.




/jarmo

Wouldn't first time in history things like that has been done with support in the people.




Not necesarily, the church-burners and "satanists" are becoming an absolute.

Hitlers home was bombed, if the anti-burners don't find that ridiculous aswell they are being selective.

It all depends on where you are coming from.
I actually adore the dragon-artchitecture of the stave-churches and hope more of their story becomes official.



This is one of the things the church managed to do with our belief. The deception.

Religion is (originally) personification of science basicly-
-and several myths, specially with Freyja, attacks the concept of sacrifice.

Most of the public deception and conceptions of this age comes from the judeo-christians.

Like witches sacrificing infants to the devil.
These were eliteist cults of love and fertility that didn't accept deficient children.

Like most sane women do today with abortion anyway.






None of these celebrations got anything to do with christianity.

The beer is an initiaton-rituale, the gifts are from Nanna, oranges and eggs symbolise the sun and the box of Idun etc...

Anyone here aware of it? Thought not...




It wasn't the point.

Oh gawd his music sucks. Burzum? Isa that a made of word, make me think of

...parsley ... for some odd reason?


Yeah, that's the right way, let's just let every murdering, history and church desecrating piece of shit out from jail. Now that's a thought.

I mean, he's saying there's something wrong with one night stands! Were vikings that faithfull?

Isn't Varg a Wolf in norwegian by any chance?

Way I see it, he's plagiaring the nazism, giving a few twist and calling it odalism. It's prolly after Odin.

He just doesn't sound that orginal to me.

For pagans nature is holy and the only true gods are the ones within man.

I attack some of the reasons of the problems with our disregard for the enviroment and man by the root of it.



And who where the nazi's plagiaring again? :P

The principle behind the odal rights in Norway is from ancient Skandinavia, can call it odalism.

In it you got a lot of things,
 but it's also about freedom for the individual unlike popular belief. : ok:

Trua at mitt sinn ok megin from old norse.

What? To bomb the home of a fascist dictator who was responsible of murdering people based on their religion etc. is ridiculous?




I've visited a bunch of churches. Not because I'm a believer, but because of their beauty as buildings.







Deception?

Were you there?



Uh huh.

In case you haven't noticed, people do what they want and interpret things the way they want.

There's no guarantee that shit didn't happen in the name of those Gods.




Well they kind of do.

I'm aware that some of the traditions aren't Christian, but how can you deny that Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity just looks like somebody trying to deny facts.

Do you think it would be a holiday if the Christians considered it a pagan holiday?

Easter is also the most important holiday in the Christian year (for Christians).


Now if you had said Midsummer or Walpurgis Night, then you'd have a case.






They had oranges in Norway back then?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalism

He started it, and then left it.

It attracts people like nazis! Surprise, surprise....




/jarmo

Not they absolutely don't.

Thats just christianity, like a virus, mutating into the host-culture to take over and detoriate, living off our productivity.

Even Jesus is, which certainly don't look like a jew.

The sun stops in vicinity of a constellation called the crux, which was visible in the northern hemisphere in the antique era.
Lays there 3 days and move one degree north.

This happens before 3 stars alligns with Sirius and the sun. THATS what the myths comes from.

And none of this comes from Christianity originally, except the draconian drivel.

Even their most defining symbol is from a pagan cross.






Christmas is indeed Yule, as we celebrate in Skandinavia. Saint Claus (not his real name) comes with the gifts from Nanna.

Nisse is actually a christian word, like heden, used to mock.

There's more:

The weekdays, the honey (aesir) moon (luna/freyja), the best man (next best, eliteist remember?) halloween...etc.

West, East, North, South comes from the dwarfs at each corner of the world, midgard goes round the world.
Note how our forfathers supposedly thought the earth was flat? ::)

As I said, this is personification of science and knowledge.

The funny thing is the repeated giant erections you see in carvings from very early, even in the ironage.

The sun and fertility is essential, this in partiqular gets tainted by the christians.





They call midsummer ST.Hans in Norway, and Valborgsaften is the devil/witches night!

So you got no case at all with these two hm? You really got me there, I guess I been wrong all along :-[ :hihi:




Symbol of the sun, the most central symbol in paganism.

Not sure about oranges but they discovered Amerika quite early because of ship-technology.


The site everyone can edit? It's our most ancient law!

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/alexis/odalism/ A better article.

As I said, I'm aware of that. But instead of answering the question, you keep going on and on about how great your little religion is.





No, you said Christmas and Easter has nothing to do with Christianity. I'm saying it has something to do with it. Not saying it's all about it though.

Unlike you who deny it 100%.

How come you didn't even comment on Easter?





You said it was about oranges....

Make up your mind.





Your ancient law.... What makes it the absolute truth?

A lot of ancient laws don't work today. It's kinda ridiculous to think that Thor's hammer is the reason for thunder today.... Shit like that.



You're as bad as all those other extremists.

Church burning? What the fuck....




Anus?

 :rofl:


Makes so much sense. No wonder your posts are full of shit.

Anybody can upload articles onto the Internet. What makes that one better?




/jarmo

I'm not at all agreeing with all the views of my fellow-country-man here....  He seems a bit bit far out on a couple of issues   :hihi:

But Christmas is not really a christian tradition. The christians stole/hijacked an already, at least up here in the north, well established tradition...

Our ancestors used to celebrate something called Mid-winters-day, the norse word I think was J?labl?t. And Jul as Sweedes, Norwegians and Danish call Christmas comes from the norse word J?l. See? J?l turns into Jul.

The christians have, through the ages, a history of hijacking things, rename it and claim it a new tradition....     ;)

You're even using the ancient name for this, East. :-*

That we're using the other unrelated name for it doesn't mean anything.




No, I didn't :P





What makes you so sure they literally believed that?

When everything about the indo-european religion is metaforic.

Religion isn't about the supernatural like the christians like to think, which base their belief on misinterpretations.








Was the only more full article I could find.

And you got to know about the ancient odal concepts (ideology) from as early as ancient skandinavia?

If you don't, blame the christians. ;D

Basicly, if a land had belonged to a kin (?tt) and used by them, it eventually became an odal property.
-not even the king (and the pope in later laws) could take it from them.

In short, the principle in that is odalism. :peace:

I'm aware of where it comes from and why it's called Jul up here.

All I'm saying is that today's Christmas has something to do with the fact that the Christians made it "their" holiday as well and maybe if they hadn't, we wouldn't get those days off....

Then you got all those countries who celebrate Christmas that don't have the same history as us.

Do you think they would be celebrating Christmas if it wasn't for the Christians adopting the holiday so to speak?



That's all I'm saying.





And the fact that we have those days off from work/school has nothing to do with Christianity?







Do they punish liars in your religion? :rofl:





What did they believe in then?

The weekdays are named after those guys. I'm sure people feared their Gods at the time?








Is there enough land for all Norwegians in Norway?

I hope you didn't get a piece of a glacier. It might be difficult to grow oranges there....




As I said, you're as bad as any other extremist.

Trying to force your religion on others while defending church burning.


Folk hero my ass.....



/jarmo

He was a murderer and an arsonist.  He escaped once, with an arsenal of weapons enough to start his own army. 

And you're glad he's back?!?  You think he was made an example of?!?   :nervous:

From the sounds of it, this man should never be allowed out of prison.  And you think he's a folk hero?

Frankly, you scare me. 

Jarmo 12, Norway 0.

Think that more than qualifies as a TKO.

What we celebrate and the way we do it got nothing to do with christianty.

That the box and sun-symbols evolve (like they have since the begining) doesn't mean it's not the same religion.




When they got old and sick, probably the belief in Folkvang and Valkyries felt comforting, not denying that. :peace:

I posted in Cmax's thread some of the traditions and gods with reflections on it.

There is a ton of knowledge, Odin-cults, Galdr (shaman spellcasting), seid etc I'm not gonna bother posting about.

On many topics, pagans were both right and wrong, like scientists.
Paganism is dogmatic and embrace science which is the really cool thing, and a great answer to the enviroment and man.


Ideally, the source-material and study is best but here is some from the posts: : ok:






Dual gods


Paganism as I see it is science and descriptions of fundamental human relations, gods are ideals, symbols and metaphores.


Freyr and Freyja is the love for the young, well-created, beautifull, fertile, strong etc human.
These are the biggest gods of Europe under a series of diferent names, also worshipped as the sun and the moon.

Freyja is the biggest godess of the north, the best ideal for women imo.

Independent, respected, loving, mighty, blonde, atractive etc...

As Freyja, the godess of love, is driven by two cats called cuddler and horny (in norwegian wordplay) and Freyr, which is driven by a horse called blonde hair, is a phallic god of lust and fertility, has a sword he can throw around but will always come back to him (like seeds, sunrays etc) the pagan mythology we know (what the christians didn't manage to erase) is knowledge of constant forces in life.

Freyr makes plants evolve means to attract insects they wan't and so on, poeticly speaking.

Note, obviously Freyr is the biggest anti-christ to christianity. Satan. :hihi:

Titles like Frue, Frau, Madamme, Ma'm, Misstress, noblewoman (somewhat), lord, gentleman (sort of) etc derives from representatives of these.

Freyr and Freyja was originally Vanir given to the aesir. Freyja is a socalled Asynjur.

As we know, sexuality is both something you're borned with and formed in life. :friendly:


Frigg, a nordic godess, is a metaphore of love to humans, and the love to your ethnic group.
It's what makes animals seek and protect their genetic comrades, what makes the mother defend it's offspring and so on.

It's the force of the creation and continuation of diferent species, like idiot atheists describes in their theory by Darwin.

Without Frigg, Nanna (vicinity, closeness) also disappear and we disconnect, getting comfort in flock-culture.

Frigg is the natural cause to racial/class discrimination aswell.


Forsete


Is justice, and as we know with the danish-cartoon ordeal-
-we still react when someone attacks the symbol of this, which can be our freedom of speech f.x.


Etc, Gods of loyality(Thor), solidarity (Tyr), familyrelations (Siv)...it's here. :peace:

 





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Now, devil-worship never existed as described by christian historians, but was the pagans who kept practising their own religion.

This is the reason we see a lot of witch-processes happen during the middleages.
They banned practicly everything that could resemble paganism, they even had laws against hygiene ::)

It was a sin (politics) and you might not even know the vikings used earspoons etc because of these "historians".

Saturday (Lauraday, washday in norse) was the last day of the week and Sunday the first.
This tells us how important personal and enviromental hygiene was to normal people (ie not christians) but the future generations wouldn't know exactly why before science became relevant again as the judeo-christians burnt all the books and the people with knowledge about these things.
The pagan priestesses already knew then that hygenie was very important as were nurses/doctors, administered childbirths etc.

I'm not gonna explain how and why the witch-processes was a methodic to convert people by the force of terror and tactics we see in totalarian regimes-
-but I can tell something about the worship of Freyr and Freyja.

Pagan priestiesses married Friday (Freyjas/Freyrs day, loveday and the date is called Valborgsnight) 13.

That was their marriage day.

We also know Greeks impersonated the gods by using masks, In effect you become what you perform if equipped for it.

Only the most pretty, inteligent, noble, blonde and so on could be Freyja-priestesses-
-they carefully selected the priest by physical and intelectual competitions (the olympic games is originally such) every 4th year.

As opposed to the bible, quality is all that matters.

Their practice was to create and raise as good children as possible, and we know by Darwin that this eventually creates a new race.

A common theme in ancient mythology.

And I can add that maybe kindergarten-concepts derives from Germany for a reason?

For those who wanna know about Satan, devils and witches for European concern it's simple:

• Freyr is a phallic fertility god(embodies lust/unconsious growth)/ Satan got personified with a big penis, themes of being posessed (all are) by satan etc.
• The devil limps as his one leg is an animal-leg/ The "shoe"/tale of V??arr.
• The cults could have up to 16 priestesses (so called covens) but only 1 priest, this is why mostly womens were executed as witches.

In short, witches, their devil and devil-worship is the perverted version of priestiesses, their god(s) and pagan culture/wisdom.[/i]



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Naturally when they married, they had sex and pagan rituals are traditionally at special places in nature.

So the Christians created a image of ugly witches, who would do harm where the pagans did good, that married and had sex with satan on whatever name they have on Friday the 13th on some scary mountain (As we know, Skandinavians goes up on the mountains in the spring to celebrate easter with sunsymbols and boxes, a pagan heritage) called bloksberg. This was one of the proofs used in court prove witchery, satan-pacts etc as this was illegal. Malleus Maleficarum (a book written by sexually frustrated catholic munks, the pagan women obviously wouldn't go near them, probably why they are so pathriarcial ::)) was often used as source to expose this crime. Childrens testimonies was also used as their no.1 function was infact creating babies. The local kings wouldn't forbid pagan practice, but "devil-worship" was simply a matter of catholic churchlaw.

This is just a _little_ of many correspondances.

• The mark of the devil = you could be marked by the gods as a sign you had pre-requisites for spiritual tasks. Many also scared themself in initation-rituals for this purpose.
• Sacrificing infants to satan = they rejected defect children.
• create storms/bad weather, do harm, black magic etc = the "upper class" of pagans often operated in diversity as helpers for agriculture, healers etc in the local areas similar to how priests (as we see them today) "bless" stuff.
• The places more men was executed for sorcery was places where male tasks as shamanism was traditionally common.

The list goes on...

Millions of noble women were murdered in Europe during the middleages.

The way to the fire was always _very_ short if you weren't 100% christian, or were in pagan societies.

They tortured them for days, humiliated them publicly and burnt them alive high above the fires.

Luckily, Norway is the only European country that never really was catholic when you read history,-
-so think about this when seing so much BM-enthusiasm from Norway. ;)







We only got room for 3.2 million in Norway acording to scientists. Lets get there!




I'm not trying to force anything on others but I taken a stand.

Christianity was forced upon the germanic and skandinavian people like nazism; with lies, deceit and violence.
Both are sheepling-systems, like globalisation also is.

I wan't more public awarenes-
- that those who celebrate our holidays do it for the right reasons and with the knowledge of why and what they are doing.

People will decide for themself when we get that far, and I'm fine with that :)




Yeah, we can always trust the press...political prisoner considering the circumstances and judgedment.

Of course not. You're at war with it so it would mean you're at war with yourself.

Too bad Norway is a Christian country.

Maybe you should move?




I'm gonna be honest and just say I'm not gonna waste time reading about your Gods since I'm not interested in that.

Just like I'm not interested in talking to Jehovah's Witnesses.



The amusing thing is that here you are preaching your beliefs like a Christian on a crusade would.

 :rofl:






First you say love humans and and then specify that it only refers to your own group.

Were these people even aware of the world outside their own little villages back then? Race biology was the "in" thing back then?

Sounds more like somebody has decided to interpret things his/her way and use it to fit the agenda.

Ironically, that's what many other extremists do. Terrorists, crusaders, you name it




It's like certain religious people not being allowed to watch TV. Where in the Bible does it say you can't have a TV?

I bet TVs weren't around 2000 years ago!




How do you feel about Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism?





/jarmo

You probably would get those days off, don't you worry, Jarmo... But for other reasons. Maybe the birthday of Horus....   ;)

In some parts of the world, Easter is more important than Christmas. Different traditions for different parts of the world.

Chistianity is very adaptable   : ok:

That's all I'M saying!    :)

Only respectively (notice the tons of norwegian flags on festivals?) yes and it shouldn't be like that, and won't stay that way.




 :hihi:





Good, it's great you see the symbolism in church-burnings, and you asked.

I'm making a point and actually using facts, which makes a lot of people uneasy...of the truth.





Yeah, his actions were extreme, not denying that but you're missing the point.


Varg planted a lot of seeds, if you're not into that part-
-it's great to see one of our many culturally aware artists are free and that alone can be the sole focus. :peace:




Bhuddism is a great religion!

That's your truth, not mine.

You want to live your life based on some rules made up thousands of years ago and mix it with some kind of race issues.

I don't.


Here's my religion: Idiots are everywhere. Stupidity does not discriminate.

I refuse to believe that people are just smarter/better because of their birth place.

I don't give a fuck if some old Norwegians living in a hut in the magic forest thinks that.



Why did you skip the part about your "ethnic group"?

I'm sure even the Vikings were mixing with other groups. They sailed all over the place....

Isn't it ironic that your old heroes probably were among the first ones to mix things up?

They went to other places and brought their way of life there etc. and probably brought home things to Scandinavia that people here had no clue about.


Shouldn't they just have stayed home in their own little piece of land?

Wait, maybe they went on crusades and killed people with different beliefs. Nah, that's only something the Christians would do.....





A murderer and arsonist.

Not a hero.





/jarmo

With fundaments, not obsolete rules.

IE in acordance to nature, as norwegian I'm naturally into nordic paganism.






And this is me?




Because you cling on to a fucking stereotype!

I believe there is diferent qualities to each race like with dogs and am against racemixing.
To live in single-ethnic societies too, thats it.

Maybe other groups would enjoy the same thing aswell?

And the history of your own people matters a lot to everyone, thats just how it is.




The vikinage is a culmination, a time of civil war, christianisation and strife.

All the things about these people already existed before, during and after this era except for mainly two things:

1. Christianity.
2. Pagan attacks on christian targets.




Yes!

There IS a reason it's so many christian deviants in Amerika, and why so many migrated now.

Christianity completely ruined Europe, native amerika and almost Africa.




Fine, I think it was self-defence and obviously it was a biased court-system.

The stereotype of the ignorant close minded racist?




As I said, even the Vikings didn't seem to believe that and they were around quite a while ago.




Without influences from other groups of people and cultures, you think you would be living in the life you live today?

I bet Norwegians didn't invent the wheel!

But you're happy to use it.


So much for your own little society shielded from the outside world.



Why the fuck are you even posting here? Shouldn't you just spend time talking to your race brothers and not to those of us who aren't part of your little society?

Don't try to mix with people from all over the world.


See, I can twist around the things you say too.

What says that my interpretation is wrong?



Eat your lutefisk and shut the fuck up.

I'm gonna have some pizza. How un-Nordic of me! :rofl:



/jarmo

No, you're making assumptions based on stereotypes if I'm the racist, it's ok.

It doesn't matter.

We have defeated almost all the christian core-values-
Today, the biggest cultural export article of Skandinavia is Black Metal and norse gods will continue to ruin birthdays. ;D

A big icon in this genre has been free'd from political imprisoment as the sentence is disproportionate.
Great news to me, looking forward to more music. :beer:


Traitor! :hihi:

So people are like dogs?  My German Shepherd screwed a Lab and we had Shepherd/Lab puppies. Cute little things they were.

Right....

 ::)




Priceless.  :rofl:


You once again chose to ignore many of the points.

You like to take advantage of all the benefits that you've gotten by "mixing" with other cultures. But you'd rather live in your own little ethnic group on land that you own.

Hypocritical.


I think you need to start writing on runestones.

 : ok:




/jarmo

Norway - I'm curious, do you own a +5 battleaxe?

(http://www.arrmo.com/icedearth/true_evil_claudia_190x221.jpg)

Varg's biggest fan.

(http://www.arrmo.com/icedearth/but_band_pic_335x273.jpg)

The runners up.

Didn't the dude go and kill the guy . not like the victim came to him.

Shit, little did I know that all I had to do was torch a church and kill a rival to be loved.

Yeah, Bergen to Oslo is about an eight hour drive.

All in the name of self defense.




/jarmo

OK I quoted this to respond and then lost my train of thought when I saw the pic was entitled "Claudia."

This is a chick?

Must be one of them darn Ladypigs Norway and Sincut were discussing.

BTW, have you seen his most recent pic?

He looks like he should be fronting Phish now, not playing black metal. :rofl:


(http://i42.tinypic.com/2rmt5w8.jpg)

Why not?

Burzum did fine without doing even one live show. :hihi:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2v3369c.jpg)

For those who see BM as entertainment and satanic agendas, maybe Gorgoroth is the band for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFn26ntmSsg

I'm fine without all the requesites to the image, it's the music and statement that matters. :peace:


Probably not even from Skandinavia, upload yours now, toughgirl. :-*




Diferent breeds looks diferent, got diferent behaviour patterns, personalities and so on.

I see people as Vanir and Aesir.
Basicly it means humans are part animal and part human, everyone can be cute I guess :P

True. You definitely act less human than many others.

Whether or not you're cute, I think the females of the board could decide pretty quickly if they saw a pic.....






/jarmo

I think this was snapped at his last family reunion:


(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ugjj9f.jpg)

I'm KIDDING!!!!!!!!! ;)

Bandita, seeing beautiful images is said to have a good effect on your unborn baby.  :no:

varg is an asshole and a medriocre musician..
he was a media whore.. being bad to exposure

and btw norway...
he killed the GUITARIST of mayhem not the vocalist





and jarmo.. you should change the name of thread..
erase the "FOLK-HERO" part

Done  : ok:



/jarmo

What's not beautiful about grown men in warpaint and fake blood? :hihi:

 : ok: to the thread name change!

Alleged murderer thank you, it was pretty safely self-defence. : ok:

It's funny with all the effects of our disregard for the enviroment, for man and what not.

So few are actually trying to make a change-
- where the change actually would have to occur, but it's our self-intrest above anything always. ::) 

It's easy to say something, but to stand for it is another.

Love, beauty and moral being defeated by greed and egocentric ideals.

I remember the "racists" that warned about mass-immigration-
-look at Norway now.

Grusome murders, violence, disease, gang-rapes, it's safer to go to Moscow than Oslo, lakes, mountains and forrests we used to fish and live in are disappearing because of rabid expansions or becoming a "richman-vacation" and all the ladypigs just wan't more and more.

And look in Sweden, you couldn't even hold on to Roseng?rd...

You can say some of the things done are pretty extreme-
-but at least someone are making an effort for a change to things, Varg obviously were made an example off.

You don't even mention he is a musician and writer in the title...

It's not alleged, he was convicted... it's just plain murderer in that case. Also driving several hours out of your way to 'defend' yourself pretty much rules out self defense.

Using your way of thinking, Germay invaded Norway in self defense so Norway would not invade Germany.....  :rofl:




Neither did you.


By the way, immigration doesn't have to be a problem. The problem is when lots of people are lumped together in the poorest areas in cities and nothing is done.

No jobs and no feeling of belonging to the same society as the rest of the citizens.


As I said, there are idiots everywhere. So of course there are some among those that move to places like Norway too.

It doesn't mean all immigrants (or Norwegians) are idiots. : ok:




/jarmo

He was driving to end his contractual relationship with the guy that intended to kill him, and was attacked.

That the drive took several hours doesn't rule out anything.



Maybe because they don't? : ok:




You're onto something, it wasn't Norway they feared tho. You should know why they invaded us.

Being an immigrant myself, that kind of shit doesn't really work with me....

I wasn't born in this country. I don't consider myself "a Swede".

But that doesn't mean I can't adjust.....

So your narrow minded view that immigrants don't belong is hilarious.


Considering the history of human kind, I'd bet your ancestors weren't just dropped out of nowhere onto Norway. They probably immigrated from somewhere else in search of something better.

Does that mean you don't belong there?




I know why they did.

But using your analogy, they only invaded Norway so Norway could not invade them. Self defense.

 :P


The real reason was that they wanted to be the first. Using that analogy, your idol killed the other guy so nobody else could!

Which isn't the case at all.....




/jarmo

Thats very nationalistic thinking of you tho, the truth is the samii's and neither the nordic people said yes.

Japan and Switserland f.x said no.

In Oslo of all 74% charged rapist are non-western (I guess this is a lame way to avoid the race-issue, thats a good thing with American media at least, they don't dodge it) immigrants, while 82 of those who press charges are ethnic (hate saying that word) norwegians.

Naturally a people where Freyja is the biggest godess aren't as represented in this.

It should have been some other solution than bringing them over here. :confused:


Then again, an attack is the best self-defence.

Varg will be releasing a self-biography where more on the murder will be exposed.

This is a political prisoner considering the disproportionate sentence, and what does pt666 know about norwegian folk-heros?

:P

He planned on ending a contractual relationship with a sword and battle axe?

Nationalistic thinking?

No, as an immigrant I find hard to listen to people who say they're against immigration.

Did you figure out when your ancestors came to Norway? Did they have permission from the Sami people?

You're related to monkeys, just like the rest of us.




So the ones that worship your Gods are all law abiding citizens?







Once again ignoring the point.

Ignore what everybody else says, that way you'll never be wrong.




Political?

Please. He went to jail for killing a man and burning a church.

He didn't just talk about it.

 ::)






/jarmo

In your own land? Or is it about nationality that makes you an immigrant?

Pretty much the same people have been living there for tenthousands of years.





Which were represented on earth.

If people focus on the gods within man...maybe we see less of these acts?







I wasn't, they guy he killed was going to kill him, so he killed him before he managed to kill him.

"Varg,

I have never met you, i.e. I know you played in Old Funeral when you were support for [band name] in Bergen in [date]. You probably peripherally know who I am anyhow.

I have for a long time had my suspicions regarding the real reasons why you killed Aarseth, but a light was turned on when I read what you had published on Burzum.org. I was touring with Mayhem last spring and heard a version of this from Jan and J?rn backing your story. They were also tired of Aarseth at the time. I remember I withdrew from the milieu the summer of 1993 because of all the commotion in the media with the church fires et cetera. I met Aarseth in a pub in Oslo and he said he wanted (or "had in mind") to get rid of you. I also know that you had a good reason to feel threatened because he had gotten rid of people before with poison and so forth. I remember this especially well nowadays because I began writing a book about my own 90ies and the memories are coming back to me as I write the script. I don't know why I am now writing to you, but I guess it's an attempt to work myself out of everything that happened. A darkness clouds my own memories from 1986 to 1993 that I work on here. I now understand much better than I did then about how we all were deceived into a sphere of lies through Aarseth's philosophy about how the scene should be like.

All of this are things I hope no young ones today are bothered to be deceived into. I am pissed when I remember all the idiotic things Aarseth had in mind.

Good luck with the rest of your time in prison and just be aware that we who know more than the media version will hardly blame you for anything when you get back out.

With friendly regards,
[name]
[e-mail address]"


Not arguring about jail, the sentence. : ok:
He got accused for several churchfires, who knows wether he did it or not. But 21 years?

It's disproportionate, worse crimes are done, usually by immigrants, almost everday in Norway, 3-5 years.

 And you tell me he wasn't made an example off? Please...

You only reference the churches... He killed a man! 21 years is not disproportionate

Pro murder, Nazism, rascism - how the hell has this thread been allowed?!

This is disgusting - jarmo, why's this guy allowed to post this hate?

That worked great for Japan and Germany, didn't it?

Because we need to know that people this ignorant still exist and not have our blinders on.

It's pretty disturbing "norway" that you seem to think these things aren't even taboo.

...Alot of people could've been in those churches.

true and to let us know that the goverments need to be harder on fuckin crazy people like this

I'm from FINLAND. I live in SWEDEN.

I'm FINNISH, not SWEDISH.

My language has nothing in common with the language spoken here. How can this be "my own land"?


That's the point. Somebody fucking immigrated to Finland thousands of years ago.

That became the Finnish people.

Same thing happened in Norway. You just happen to think it's wrong now.

Maybe if your ancestors had though about that, you wouldn't even be in Norway. Maybe you'd be on a different continent!

Maybe if the Sami people had said "Hey, wait a minute, who are these morons trying to steal our land thinking we won't notice?" and kicked them out, there would be Norway!

You're the result of immigration too. It just happened a while ago. I guess it was fine back then because those guys were looking for a place to live. Maybe it was a better place compared to where they came from.

People don't leave their homes and families for fun.



You are happy to live there in your Norwegian bubble posting ignorant shit. But you're a hypocrite.

All the good things that come out of immigration, learning from different cultures and so on, you're happy to take advantage of.






Any murderer can say that!

Does it make a fucking valid point?





Correct me if I'm wrong, but those 21 years aren't over yet.

He's being let go "early" isn't he?






/jarmo

its a crazy scarry storie i would hate to live in Norway when he gets out i mean whats next for him burning schools!!! :nervous:

I think he only actually served 16.  Also, what kind of crazy prison is this that they let the prisoners out for visits?  Doesn't that defeat the whole PURPOSE OF PRISON?

i dont know mabie paroll or some shit

One prison-year in Norway is something like 9 months, and way before you have served your time you are, in many cases, placed in an open-house-prison. You can have a job, get paid and basicly live a somewhat "normal" life.

No wonder so many East-european gangsters come to Norway...   :)

By the way... Check this out:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4L6-0WRfSA  From around 1:15  Pretty funny!!

It's from the special-features on Michael Moore's recent movie Sicko. Norwegian prison is a joke!!

Wonderful.  So the next time I wanna axe a rival I will make sure to go to Norway to do it.

Hell I am already planning it for mine. Course it's all in the name of self defense.

Excellent, maybe we can go together.  Killing and burning just isn't fun all alone and all.

Excellent!!!

the whole world most die in the name of self defense.

I hope no one is stupid enough to get influenced by this thread.

If they are, may I suggest a one way ticket to Norway?

Seriously though, I doubt it.  I have never heard of this creepy loser before this thread was posted and I am sure this guy's 15 minutes of so called fame are more than up.

Hopefully only the sicko that originated this thread would idolize such a person.

Yes it is, and everyone knows it.

Do you know anything at all about the norwegian court-system?

Het got the harshest punishment because of his views, plain and simple.




And I said thats very nationalistic thinking.

The folkgroups actually spoke the same language, not that even deutch people is a problem.

The truth is, many highly qualified brits, frenchs etc emigrates to Skandinavia to get away from all the immigrants.

How racistic of them!!! ::)





I'm against multi-ethnic societies, it's not like I'm alone viewing sweedes as fair skinned, fair haired and fair eyed either. : ok:




Then again this nationalistic thinking, the germanic tribes settled elsewhere.






Am I, or are you making things up? ::)





Think you need to learn more about how things are outside Amerika :P

From a prison in Norway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DHhbixYtwE (don't watch M.Mooore's nonsense ;))

Tbh...

I think Hitler would enjoy having sheeplings like this as citizens so he could easily get his way.

Calling someone nazi who isn't, making things up and believing everything the press tells, accepting someone to be treated diferent, allowing disproportionate punishments and double-standards just because someones views don't fit...

It's obvious for anyone he got a sentence way beyond the norm for the actual actions-
-and people who know nothing about the prison or court-system thinking they got a say in it, and we know why ::)

Thats the blind intoleranse again.

Talk about being prejudgemental, and people wonder why nazism, christianity etc can happen. :P



Obviously people are...

Just saying welcome back from the apparantly throughly rotten court-system in Norway.

I think some of his views are pretty far out there too, but...jeez :hihi:

Give it a rest, buddy.  Your delusional little fingers must hurt by now.

+1    : ok:

Erm maybe he got the harshest punishment because he went to the house with the intent to kill?  Also, with the church burning, it appears that your saying that burning the churches should be allowed or at least it is something you agree with.  Should I on that prefice come over to Norway and burn your house down?  I mean, I dont believe in your views, what your saying so that would give me a right to it....right?

He doesn't live in a church, Chuck.



Sorry, I just had to.  :hihi:

How is this the same language as Swedish (which is spoken in the country where I live now)?

So either the Finnish people are related to the Sami, in which case you're an immigrant in our land, or they came from another place to Finland. Nobody seems to know for sure.

The only thing we know for a fact is that Finnish is not alike the other Scandinavian languages.





Exactly.

So I guess if they insult your beliefs, you should be allowed to do the same and be considered a "political prisoner"?




/jarmo

Also, I remember when he was convcited in the early nineties.  The fact that he was given such a 'harsh punishment' (which is seriously making me laugh - the guy should have got life) may of been related to the fact that the murder was cold blooded, Varg did not show any remorse and that he laughed when given the verdict.  Also let's not forget that the guy was GUILTY - you talk like he has been unfairly treated.  He killed a guy.  The fact he has served only 16 years (and made an escape) makes your argument that he was harshly treated is laughable, I mean seriously laughable.  I am honestly not sure as to whether you are arguing with people because your enjoying the attention or you truely believe what your saying.

It appears that you have used this news just to air your (racist) views and have a rant.  Well, you have been given that chance now, so I hope your happy. 

There is no life sentence in Norway; F?xed-term sentence, the maximum is 21 years.

[/quote] There is no life sentence in Norway; F?xed-term sentence, the maximum is 21 years. [/quote]

That is exactly my point.  The argument that the sentence is harsh is laughable.  The only thing wrong with the system in Norway is that they have not got a life sentence.

You see it in nations, I see it in germania ( I know, it's so tainted now) and samii land.

Infact, I agree with most the samii's. : ok:



 


Maybe, probably, if...

They guy he killed was going to torture him and videotape it, he had poisioned some polish guy from before.

Wonder where all the axe and sword-nonsense came from,
-hmm... probably from the same people that made up the nazi, satanist nonsense?

And maybe you should know about sentencing before you post? : ok:





Yes, but it should be done legally.

I am not holding it inside do, if I didn't say it I would still feel it, why should I?

A lot of the independent establishments, that has been forced out by multi-national companies, ment a lot more to probably most people than those churches that were burned. They are actually buildt up again too.

I support it 100%

Should people go to jail for vandalizing public buildings? Yes! Duh...




Maybe he laughed at the ridiculous verdict?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqMZrMx6mkM "Oh no, it's because he's a cruelnazisatanistcoldbloodermurderer, he should been GASSED!"

Can't belive someone actually thinks this, am glad I'm living in Norway, ironicly :hihi:





How the hell do you know he was guilty in the actuall verdict?

I can make up things too, add some propaganda to it and make people hate someone to get away with mistreatment.

Have you even bothered to read what I post in your anti-semi...er, anti-varg world?

Do you know anything at all about his views, the circumstances of the murder, wether he burnt those churches or not?

He was made an example off with a punishment like that-
-and you can only use simliar cases and verdicts (in Norway) of such to compare with wether or not if he is treated unfair.

Thats what I pointed from post #1 ;)






16 years is way above the norm for this crime, even if all of the media-stories is true.

If you wanna complain about the norwegian system, go ahead-
-but don't try to act smart. ;)





Yeah right...

Does it feel good to flock-harass people (Varg) like this because of their views? Giving them special-treatment? :confused:

Ein, swei, drei...

I don't care what fictional ideas you have, racist has become just a mere curseword usually used on white people.



 

Depends on moral, did I deserve it? And feel free to eloborate on my views, maybe I don't recognise them? :-*

And you will be jailed allright, but lets say you get a harsher punishment than average for such crimes because of your views.

Is it fair, is it how it's supposed to be?

Viewing some of  the replies here makes me think about how nazi-german might have been and how it happened.

None of that would have happened without the active and passive support of the people.

People have no knowledge about Varg's views, about the court-system, prison-system and the sentences.
Yet, you have " I have never heard of this creepy loser", "the guy should have got life"...

Like with the jews in the 30's....oh, why am I not suprised? ::)


I ALWAYS said christianity/mass-culture is shallow and breeds shallow thinking.

And yes, the court-system are getting away with this, thanks to...well, am not gonna bother. :peace:






What an ignorant way to spin it.

Exactly why should Varg be treated diferent by the law?

We have a Juha Valjakkala here in Finland, who was released on parole on February 2nd 2009.

He was convicted of the murder (he was 22 at the time) of a family of three  in a northern Swedish community of ?msele 3rd of july in 1988, he was released from Turku prison 1st of may in 1988.

I don't know what happened to the eleven year old boy that didn't die with the rest of his family.

He served 19 years.

I can't but wonder what the relatives of his victims must feel, and can he really adapt to the society after living his life in prison?

It's not real freedom tho, he can't drink, he must stay within a certain area and they got some gps lock on him.

For the record , yopur statement that I know nothing about Varg is untrue.  As I have stated before, I remember this when he got convicted.  Funnily enough I read up about this approx 2 months ago.  So no, I dont see him as some creepy loser - I see him as a murderer.  Someone that committed murder.  My views are that ANYONE who commits murder should be given life.  As easy as that.

Also, I would love for you to elaborate on how one can burn churches down LEGALLY. ]

The circumstances of the murder is largely irrelevant.  Though I would like to point out that the victim (yes he was a victim) recieved 23 stab wounds.  No, correct none of us was present at the trial but if this was self defence then surely 23 stab wounds is somewhat excessive unless the guy was the Terminator? 

Ok. But are you aware that Finland isn't part of Germania?

So, I come from an area (notice how I didn't say nation/country) that is not part of Germania. The place I live in now is part of what was considered Germania.

That makes me an immigrant from another place.

So, you think it's a problem that I've invaded your holy Germania?


Also, Germania did not start in Norway. Those people immigrated up there from somewhere else.

They belonged somewhere else!


So answer this: Why was it ok for them to immigrate to Norway from wherever they came from and today you're saying immigration is a problem?

So unless you're Sami, chances are your ancestors were immigrants. The kind of people who you're against. Maybe they were even Christians!


Isn't this very similar to what those guys in Germany were trying to do?

So your beliefs are what the nazis believed in.

Is that a problem for you?



/jarmo

He fell on glass and received several cuts.

And I think the church should be removed from every place from Norway-
-I'm actually against banning symbols, books, buildings etc but sometimes to make a point you got to be the complete oposite.

You can burn a church legally, by having the removal legislated, get it now? :P

It isn't about what you think, I'm fine with that. It's about what obviously is biased sentencting.


PS/

Jarmo, I don't view any of the northern-european folkgroups as immigrants. Finns are (90%?) european and pagan too.

Neither is the samii's, and I hope we preserve the people and the culture. :peace:



************

Article:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/10/nyheter/innenriks/fengsel/5216306/

It's a little about all the paroles he was denied from Kriminalomsorgen and that he some weeks ago recived the news that he has been waiting for, he is not saying when. He will move to Telemark and live with his wife and children on a small farm and says nothing good comes out from sitting in prison.

He should have been released in 2006 but because of a new law he was given two additional years. Retroactive laws are illegal and his mother wen't out against it and claimed Kriminalomsorgen tried intentionally to break down her son. He says he is ready for society, that he has learnt from mistakes and gotten older. That he is looking forward to be with his family, release books, music and be an average familyguy. "My soul was never in prison".

He will release his own biography where more on the murder will be revealed.

Welcome back, to hell with the media :peace:

Of course his escape didn't add on any years to his term..........or the fact he was found with weopons on his person when he was re captured.

I think more than a few of us would join you willingly at this point.  I love how every time someone disputes him, he writes a novel back.  You say stabbed 23 times, he says fell on glass.  You say burning shit down because you don't agree with it is bad, he says it isn't.  You say murder, he says self defense. ::)

indeed.  I say tomato.......

Tell you what - Lets call the whole thing off :)

well I for one think the law in norway is not bad...I'm not into death penalty because I'm against murder.


Norway, I understand your love for blondes. would be boring if everywhere in the globe was the same. but stop associating with evil peeps.

i think the death penalty should only be used in case of major inhumanity like that guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubine_Qi

"Emperor Hui (Liu Ying) resided Ruyi in the palace and checked for poison in any aliment delivered to him. Ying also brought Ruyi with him wherever he went. In one early morning in the twelfth month of the first year of Emperor Hui, the emperor had to attend a shooting ritual; this time Ruyi was left alone since he could not wake up early. Ying supposed his mother would not plot against his brother as several months had passed without incident. Nevertheless Dowager L? had someone force venom down Ruyi's throat....She then chopped off Qi's hands and feet, blinded her by scooping out her eyes, cut out her tongue and abandoned her to live in a toilet, and insulted her as "the Human Pig" (人彘). Several days after, Empress Dowager L? recalled Emperor Hui to have a look of "the Human Pig". After he realised who "the Human Pig" was, the weak emperor was so sick of L?'s cruelty that he virtually relinquished his authority, withdrew himself to carnal pleasures. (Paraphrased quotation from the Records of the Grand Historian, chapter 9)"

 :nervous:

No, but narrowminded people is :P


Nazism is a nationalistic and socialistic flock-ideology symbolising cruelty close to the level of christianity.

EVERYONE has beliefs nazi's believed in-
-remember only that group was allowed in Germany, they f.x wanted laws to protect animals.

It isn't a problem to belive in it, or listening to mr.brownstone either (for those who remember the murderer).

It's the same with having a nordic faith, you call it viking-faith-
-but the phallic gods, the horses that drives the sun and the moon is there already in the bronze-age. :peace:

It's just that we have so much source-material from this era.

thats fuckin crazy it reminds me of a certain Warrior of the 3 kingdoms era in China he valued Strength above all and in the end drove his own soldgers into muteny and was killed

Now there may be some serious issues with the American judicial system but I think having one where the penalties are so light are the cause of turning these freaks, sociopaths and killers into so called "folk heroes" to those so easily impressionable like Norway.

No matter how you cut it and how many dozens of paragraphs you write, you are worshipping a good for nothing dirtbag killer that is nothing but a drain on society.

Talk about commenting on something you know nothing about. ::)


No matter how many hateful one-liners you type;

I'm not worshipping anyone, especially not any dirtbag killer or any drain on society.

You really need to get off your fantasy. :confused:

Really, cause we have 6 pages here of you saying how awesome this guy is, how he is gonna release a memoir and clear everything up, etc etc. 

Now you want to backtrack because everyone thinks you're a fool? :hihi:

If you need to write as much as you did to try to prove a point, chances are your point is well....POINTLESS. ;D

You referred to him as a "folk-hero".

And you've been defending him and his acts for pages now.

While displaying opinions that have never led to anything good.




/jarmo

I don't know about all that.


But I always end my business relationships with a proper battle ax to the skull then burn some buildings down that I don't like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Hermansen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Hermansen)
Benjamin Hermansen (May 29, 1985 ? January 26, 2001) was a Norwegian boy with an Ghanaian father and Norwegian mother. He was stabbed to death at Holmlia in Oslo, Norway, just before midnight on January 26, 2001 by people from the Neo-nazi group BootBoys. Joe Erling Jahr, Ole Nicolai Kvisler and Veronica Andreassen were convicted of the murder and sentenced to 18, 17, and 3 years in prison respectively.

18 years and Joe didn't ILLEGALLY burn down 3 churches... a year a church seems pretty reasonable to me.

Is neo-nazi-ism a big issue in Norway?  Seems so.

ever feel like you're beatin' a dead horse? ;)

the only thing we shloud beat is racism
racism = stupidity
racism = insecurity
racism = ignorance
racism = mediocrity

I have not managed to read every post in this thread. But it has been drawn way out of its picture.
Some facts about things that have been said.

Fact:
- Varg has done his time in prison. The norwegian law has spoke, and is ha free man. That is a good thing. Not because im a fan of what this guy has done. But because, he now has a chance to get back to his life. Be a better person. Thats what prison i Norway is about. Its not about putting people away and make theyr life miserable
- Nordic mythology has nothing to do with racism
- Racism should not spoil our cultural heritage
- Stave-churches today is not only preserved for christianity. Its a source to knowlege and understanding of the "dark ages" and historical period (1030 AD), its a source for people who are generaly interested in history, iconography, architecture, archaeology etc.
- There can be seen some connections with Bronze age religions and nordic ironage age religion. But theres is no one that can say this 100% for sure.
- Christianity was a cruel religion and threat for the nordic people.
- People have abused religion, both Christianity, nordic mythology, islam, etc etc to get theyr absured ideas to life.
- Vidkun was not choosen to primeminister in Norway, he made himself primeminister.
- If it wasnt for imigration, there would not live a single person in Norway today
- The first humans sat theyr feet on what today is called Norway about 12 000 years ago.
- We still dont know for sure if the samii people came from the east, or was a part of the imigrantwave via the Norwegian coast
- In the 1800 and early/mid 1900 Nordic science have had a bad habit to try to fith norwegian pre-cultures to the germanic / vestern evolution image, and made distance from the Samii, and far north eras pre cultural image.

You really need to stop making things up.

If you gonna try to make fun of someone, at least try using facts-
-and regarding that avatar...gonna quite Axl from, was it Leeds? "I think I'm owed some rent-money." :-*





I said in the first page how I feel about the stavechurches.

Go back and read, I clearly said his actions were extreme.
It's not just right and wrong, the truth is always some place in the middle.

I am also a fan of an "insane, racist asshole" who sings about immigrants and faggots, scam colleges, bites people and hit fans.

See? I can do it too. Things aren't always as black and white. : ok:

They're making him into a satanist, nazi, vile murderer without much to back up themself with.

If he weren't treated diferent from the law and ocstrasized so much in the press-
- then no one would called him a folk-hero.

Since thats the case, fine...allthough the press has started writing more civil about this now tho :)

It's an very eager focus on that murder and some views people make up, why?

So people find another excuse to let out a certain side to them. ::)





I find the assertion irrational.

And it's not entirely true either, northern-europe was (is?) a paradise compared to most other places. :peace:




Yes, and yet you have so many "defending it and the acts". :P

Can you please let this thread die already?  We all know your sick and narrow views by now and it's obvious that no one here is going to help change them.

@Nytunz-burning down things for what they may have stood for in the past is still not a valid reason.  If the people of Norway ALL so strongly feel that a building should no longer stand then there are proper ways to demolish them.  It doesn't make some face painted loon with a battle axe a martyr for doing it.

@the fact that this loser has done his time and has been rehabilitated-then why was he on the run in 2003 with military grade weapons in the car?

As I know that common sense has not prevailed in this thread I don't expect any reasonable answer to this question so kindly view it as rhetorical.

True.

But when a person uses it as an excuse to say things like "I want Europe to be white" or "race mixing should be avoided", it really doesn't help does it?

Like you said, Norway was built by immigrants, still this guy is against immigration....


By the way, this guy still hasn't responded to my questions about immigration.  ::)




/jarmo

Wanting Europe to be white is racistic? Going up against multi-ethnic societies? ::)

I spoken up against todays disregard for nature and man-
-population growth is a serious problem and immigration surely doesn't help.

Same with the double-standards of many issues, which should be covered in this thread by now.

Varg is a great musician and writer many hold dear, and it's great to see artists continue to attack christianity publicly.




Forget racism, once we defeat the blind intoleranse and shallow thought it's an non-issue.





See?

Should I move from Norway you think? Or should samii's (which have their own flagg :)), nordics, kvens etc live there?

Well you want to exclude certain people from the continent based on their race and origins.

Isn't that the definition of racism?


Noun
racism

   1. The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.
   2. The belief that one race is superior to all others.
   3. Prejudice or discrimination based upon race.


Sounds a lot like what you're saying.....






Oh, so we're not immigrants because of the race issue.

Noun

Singular
immigrant
      
Plural
immigrants

immigrant (plural immigrants)

   1. A person who comes to a country to permanently settle from another country.


Another word that you have your own definition of to fit your agenda.

 ::)




/jarmo

Did you even read my Post? Then i guess you missed this:


If there is anyone on this board who really cares about stave-chirches, thats me.. I study Archaeology and the iconography and symbols from this timeframe is really interesting.

We also need to remember that the cultural heritage, can be abused, is abused, and will be abused also in the future, in political and ideological ways. And this i DO NOT support

There are lots of examples, but to name a few ABUSES:
- German archaeological artefacts in the 1930. To "prove" wester-german supriority
- The middle east conflict. Artefacts "proves" Israels rights to the land

The same way some people use Nordic mythology and other kinds of cultural heritage.. so they can identify with, and say! This is US not You!
But what these people dont Understand, IS. That this Mythology often have roots from the middle east, even to west India. Lots of artefacta
found in Scandinavia, is MADE in the middle east. or in southern parts of europe. People did communicate, trade and socialise with people
from other places in the world. The Viking as a barbarian, is a view more or less developed. Yeah, it did happend, but it also happens today.


Sure. It doent help. And what happend in the neolithic period?? When the agriculture start spreading around europe.. rapid diffusion or adoption/immigration? Well i would go for the last one..

I've been trying to tell your fellow Norwegian that.

People have always been curious about other parts of the world, other cultures etc.

Yet he says people should just stay where they are and not mix with others etc.


Yet mankind has been immigrating, moving, mixing, learning, trading etc. for thousands of years....




/jarmo

I stopped after the drivel you wrote about him getting back to a normal life.

Next time make the good point 1st. ;)

Won't even define it, there is no definite definition. A keyword to me has always been discrimination.

Very magic word however. ;)






And that wasn't my point.

Sure I stand for it, but do you speak towards Israel? Tibet? The Indians?
The Samii's when they were christianisized in the 1800? Their flag and samii-thing? Lets stick to norwegians?

I'm against it, what happened to the greeks as so on.

Am fully aware I fit into a stereo-type, it's not me however. I'm pagan wanting to preserve people and culture. : ok:

And there is absolutely nothing christian about our nordic culture or people.

PS/

Give her up already Nytunz :hihi:





Followed by conflict and cultures, folkgroups disappearing...

And what has followed your way of thinking?

Did you forget already?





Of course you won't. The dictionary definition doesn't fit your agenda.

 ::)




The ironic thing is that the people and culture are the results of immigration and mixing.... Just like Nytunz pointed out to you.


If you want to preserve your culture etc., shouldn't you disregard any kind of advances that have been made in the last thousand years?

What do you think would happen if you put a Norwegian pagan from 2000 years ago to live in today's Norway?


Shouldn't you logout right away in order to make sure your own culture isn't affected by the constant bombardment of influences?

Don't read the papers, don't watch TV, stay away from the movies, theater and the Internet. Your culture and people might be affected by the outside world. The horror!




/jarmo

Great cultures and people!

Mr.Brownstone...School-shooting...see a pattern? It has NOTHING to do with what you think.





I'm sure I should, it's written in the book of stereo-types somewhere.... ::)



Same thing with a christian, or multi-culturian from 2000 years ago.

I am fully aware how priviligied I am to be in a modern society where I still can mean whatever I wan't, for now.

Remember-
-we're still a pagan people, with pagan values, ideals, democracies, traditions, customs etc.

Hope more open their eyes to see it.



Documentary coming soon about some of this for those intrested and wanna watch. :peace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4vdXg5Xb8

a drivel? hardly. It's not like the Norwegian ex criminal would invade your country.

Say hello to the nazis!

Germania and all that.... People who think they're better than others.

Choose race as an excuse to go after others etc.





Democracy was invented in Greece.

So, how come you mention it?

It was imported from an outside culture into yours....

Surely, you should invent your own traditions etc. instead of importing things from those non-Nordic cultures!


Do you use algebra?

Also not invented by Norwegians with axes.



Since when has isolation been the answer to everything?



By the way, nice try to shift the focus all the time into something else.

The dictionary's definition of racism fits quite nicely to what you're saying, but instead of acknowledging that you just say the definition is wrong.  ::)





/jarmo

As this is evidently the thread to air the most rascist and despicable things u can think of...

...well I might as well join in,

I hate Martians - just hate em, I dont even think they are human - yeah, thats right - thats how low I rate them

I might not even show them to my leader - and I'm proud of my views!

Earth for the Earthers!

Like a broken record... "and all that" is enough. : ok:


Exactly what good has come out from your thinking?
Extinction? Conflicts? Strife? Violence? Daily rapes? Drugs? Organised crime? Pollution? Human fires?

I should be more positive to it (in it's entirety) just to not fit into a vivid classification? :confused:

I wanna preserve people and culture, not exhange it with obnoxious mass-culture and racemixed people.

Often you have species (both human and animal) going extinct and cultures going lost because of such importations.

The immigration of today is ridiculous, no one knows wether or not this is wanted from the indigenous populations or not.







And Parlamentarism on Island. :P
The Greeks (european too) worshipped exactly the same pagan gods under diferent names aswell.

Heard about the olympics? Know about it's origin? Know about the ancient skandinavian democracy?






And you call me narrowminded :hihi:






Yes, and? Didn't quite fit? :P

Does local culture, folkgroups, ancestry, continental heritage and such mean anything at all to you?

It's not like I don't get we gotten great art and ideas from other cultures.
African (you know, that continent down there, not here, with unique people) rythms is an exellent compliment in music.






We got an anti-discrimination law in Norway, thats plenty-
-using a magic word to prevent simple facts or theories about race to exist is pretty totalarian imo.

Either it's hexen, juden, racist, nazi, nonbeliver,...used to satisfy the intolerant, cruel side of man or permit harassment.

And all those magic words evidently had no root with reality considering the usage and context. ;)





You can knock it off and study what religion is all about. Heard about the egyptians? :idea:

Thats a good way to start.

I have no idea why the vikingage is looked upon with so much pride-
-or why people associate nordic paganism with the people that lived here that era to that extenct.

http://www.vikingfestivalen.no/ It's always about the vikings ::)

Hm...maybe because all else of our (european people) collective pagan past is unofficial or erased history? :headscratch:

Maybe thats why most people have no idea who santa claus is?

It's not a viking actually, it's on viking.
You will hear about these barbarians but nothing about the bloody saxonwars which led to the pagan attacks.

The destruction of Irminsul might ring a bell to some. ;)

We still have diferent suls in Norway.






I'm not the one making a big deal about it.

My focus was at Varg's attacks on Christianity-
- and how he is treated in a diferent standard by the legal system because his views (and probably race) don't fit. : ok:




What about the proto-germanians? :hihi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ngczrvDgaE

Why not admit it?



Sounds like a day in the life of the vikings to me....  :o


What has come from my way of thinking?

Seriously? What comes from thinking that we're all humans who are worth equal no matter what background you have?

What comes from the idea that race shouldn't matter? What comes from the idea that murder is wrong?



That's the thing with you. You think none of those things would happen in your ethnically clean Norway for whites only.

As I've told you before, stupidity is everywhere. I'm sure they had idiots in Norway too before immigration!

Do you have proof of the contrary? I would like to see it.


Your whole idea of a "white only Europe" is sick.

Don't you fucking get it? Did the ethnic cleansing in former Yugoslavia make sense to you?




There you go mentioning race again and yet claiming you're not a racist.






So now it's about today and not the past.

So immigration thousands of years ago was ok?








But they don't look so white or blond as you guys do......

Are you sure they haven't been mixed and all that?

Greece is awfully close to Asia....  :nervous:

Not to mention Spain and Portugal. You can see Africa from Spain!  :nervous:






Because that's how you appear.




But you don't want to mix cultures.

Which is funny because your culture is influenced by others. Unless you live totally isolated which I doubt since here you are on a multicultural message board spewing your hate.







Yeah, he must be the only one who's been sentenced to jail for a murder in Norway. Poor guy.




Stop using the "I'm a pagan" excuse.

You're against immigration and keep mentioning race.

You're against mixing cultures, yet your own people have been doing it for quite a while. The vikings didn't stay at home.

Why didn't they stay at home instead of trying to colonize other parts of the world?





/jarmo

Norway would hate Toronto, over 40 ethnicities are represented here :hihi:

hehe.. before people think of Norway as a very nazi country! That is not true..!
Not more then any other country in Northern europe..

so...

You have places like Toronto that are examples how things can be. Yet the narrow minded ones like norway are saying it doesn't work and nothing good comes out of it.


The fact that not all immigrants commit crimes is often disregarded.





/jarmo

Forget Toronto, take a nice trip to NYC, poor boy would have a heart attack landing at JFK.  You can hear about 40 languages spoken just trying to get a cab out. :hihi:

or like that one chick from Kill Bill dealt with that one business associate "if anyone else has anything to say about my american or chinnese backround i cut there fucking head off!!!"

Admit what?
The things neo-christians has admited to?

Not sure what makes you think I'm a supporter of mass-murder but it's suprising to read.

I'm not nationalistic and certainly not socialistic so there goes that. Infact, I'm not fond of any flock-ideology, it only stagnates.

Nordic mythology, symbolism, pagan philosophy and so on has nothing at all to do with that regime. : ok:

Human worth is a lot more than our own contemporary self-intrest and solidarity.
Yeah, I know some people adopted it and used sterilisation as a method, which is pure violation.

This was sorted diferently and was the original purpose of many sport-events :peace:







That I difer from this notion is all in your head.

Is it so wrong to live side by side in peaceful coexistence? Many samii's, indians, africans wants the same.





Well, someone opened the gates didn't they? :hihi:






Didn't claim I am or am not. It's like the belief in witches to me. Boo! :P

In our western world in partiqular we opress the love to our race, which is inherited in each human.

I have a good relationship to it-
-and am very proud of the culture and the religion of the people.

If you're really into these discussion I reccomend you watch "a conversation about race".

It basicly just have interviews with some commentaries, but point out some intresting views people got. : ok:








Now you wanna contest the concept of native populations? Yes, native american is indeed incorrect, I know.

There is really no right and wrong, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.





Omg, it's blondes! :o Give it a break :P






Been in Canada, Russia, all over Skandinavia and some place in Thailand I don't wanna see again :nervous:

The inuitts, they got a culture and grusome history influenced by christianity.
I'm happy to see they rename their rivers, take back the drum-dance (which was banned by missionares) and so on.

I think this is the fundamental diference between me and you.

You wanna keep living in a bubble, oblivious to all the genuine cultures outhere disappearing with it's people.

All because of peoples petty greed, fake humanitarism and disregard of diversity. I don't.






I stop if you stop using the "nazis used it too" excuse, got a deal?






I react when someone's treated diferent by the law. : ok:





Because the vikingage was a horrible time of civil war, strife and cultural decline.

They had no noble motives for going to Amerika, thats for certain.

You haven't really admitted anything have you?

You haven't admitted that nothing good has come out of your close minded views. You have not admitted to being a racist moron.

When the things you say are the definition of the word racism.







I'll explain.

I bet those people were against a multicultural country. Why else would they go after other ethnic groups?

You want a white only Europe.

So you both have the same ideas.

Get it?






"White Norwegians only allowed" isn't a flock?




Ask the people of Toronto. Or New York....



How amusing.

Answer the question.

Are you saying crime and other activity you consider wrong did not exist before immigration?

Answer it without trying to make yet another lame joke.





I'm proud of being Finnish. Doesn't mean I think Europe should be white!



No, about you own country.

It's been pointed out to you that the people in Norway came from somebody else. That was ok?

You keep avoiding the question.




No, the difference is that you want people to live where they are and stay there.

You don't want them to affect your life or culture.

The difference is that you use words like "ladypigs" and think Europe should be white.




I don't make deals with you.

Fucking hatemonger.




I react when I see people preaching hate and  tries to make jokes about it.





Your own people couldn't live by your rules. Maybe your rules are flawed....






/jarmo

New Yorkers say "fuck" a lot.

Damn f%%king straight we do! ;)

http://www.expressen.se/1.130847 (http://www.expressen.se/1.130847)

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html (http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html)

Those are articles from swedish newspapers;

Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the
beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past
decade.  Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and
native Swedish girls, have become commonplace.  Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds
brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.

22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three
strange men. The only said one word to her: "Whore!"

Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers
every week.  Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the
ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it
between the lines."

One more: how have Swedish politicians reacted to the chaos caused in
one of their major cities because of Muslims of whom even the police
seem to be afraid?  By making it easier for Muslims to enter Sweden.


I don't have problem with immigrants, most are good people. Or I like to think that, think that only a fragment of them, people like in the articles posted before just give them all a bad name. Maybe I've just met the fracture of good ones, or maybe they put on an act.

The public opinnion in Finland is that immigrants are not wanted, and still the goverment is bringing more and more imigrants in every year, which brings more tension. It doesn't help that a lot of rape incidents in the news are done by imigrants. And surprisingly it not a medias witch hunt; in Helsinki the rape committed by imigrants is as high as 50%, in Espoo a sad figure of 70% and  mostly done by immigrant muslims.

Now how can we explain that?

We just got a fragment of evil muslims raping women every weekend? Yeah. could be, but somehow I just don't buy it.

Another problem is that most of them have a hard time finding a job, which, again, builds more tension.

And can someone tell me the logic, if we take 1 000 imigrants in a year there's born a 100 000 more, how is this helping anyone? How do we help by taking those in who can afford to take refugee? Let's take another angle; I'm sure no one would object if we took those higly educated, like doctors, but how does this affect their country of origin? It doesn't help if we take away their resources to build a better future - the educated people.

This immigrant program like doing surgery to a shot cop by stitching him up but leaving the bullet inside. It's not doing anything to the root of the problem.

"Mine", I pointed out how it led to great peoples and cultures, while your "beautiful" views lead to extinction and conflict.

This is not NY or Toronto (Native-Amerika was single-ethnic btw), neither is Tibet.





Go read the crime-statistics, the facts speak for themself.







Oh, how horrible. Been posted worse stuff here about men. Thats ok to you?






No you haven't, you're being selective. And it's very cool to be so tough to jews, blacks...err, I mean "racists" "misogynists" ;)

Same behaviour, diferent reasoning,words and entirely based on fiction.
The diference is I haven't attacked anyone individually due to their gender, race or opinions here.

So you need to make up things, for whatever your urge is.

Another diference between me and other more accepted pov's is that I don't use Islam as a cover-up.

Honesty without compromize : ok:
 
Unlike you, I like to see genuine people and cultures around the world. Not have it detoriate to one people on same "culture".

The children are supposed to be our soldiers for this wonderful vision I guess. ::)

Varg has put it very cleverly into the music from my interpretation:


Sums up my feelings towards christianity and this modern life well.


Norway can hold 3.2 million, thats science. : ok:

You think enviromental problems and human problems gonna disappear without us changing how we live?

We got fundamental flaws here.
The gross disregard for the environment, culture and heritage all for self-intrest and capitalism.

One of the reason is christianity that nominally mutated into host-cultures.

Europeans are pretty much the only people that has an eucological, eliteist and scientific religion.

Which is still practiced today, something many aren't aware of.





Exactly, some people deliberately ignore what great culture they stole from because the truth is uncomfortable for them.

Or too comlicated.
Varg planted a lot of seeds and it's great he's free.

Christianity, a spiritual plague, should be erased from Norway imo.
Today, Black Metal is the biggest cultural export-article of Skandinavia, there's hope :beer:

Once again, apparently close mindedness is a beautiful thing.

You want to be an inbred moron? Go ahead!



Stop acting like your views are the answer.

All kinds of extremism comes from people who say "Europe should be white".

You keep dancing around the issue and trying post as many smileys as you can in a post.








But but, they don't have crime statistics from the times when the only ones living in Norway were a bunch of axe carrying members of the Odal clan!

Once again, racism. When you think you're better than everybody else based on their origin.

You seem to think that all the troubles come from other people moving to your country.

Once again, the definition of racism.


You like to show statistics blaming immigration for things.

Are you gonna blame the fact that people weigh more on immigration too? How about the fact that you live in the world's most expensive country?

Say hello to the 40€ "cheese burger with two small beers" meal.





Yeah, maybe if you didn't start all the shit, there wouldn't have been.






Ladypigs isn't an attack? Europe should be white isn't an attack? Burning churches should be legal isn't an attack?







What the fuck do you know about me?

Nothing.






Get off the fucking Internet then. Go back to living in a cave!







Excuse me? A racist is telling me about solving problems?

Didn't Hitler try to solve "problems" too?


You think the answer is to divide people. Us against them.

You're just gonna keep saying that it creates beautiful cultures.  ::)





What he says is that Norway isn't full of racist pigs like you!





This from a citizen of Finland.

The country from which thousands of people immigrated abroad in search of a future not that long ago.

How do I know? Because I was one of them.


Are you aware that Finnish people have a reputation of being alcoholics who like to solve things with knives over here in Sweden?

You take a bunch of bachelors from small towns in Finland, put them together in apartment complexes in Sweden and see what happens. I'll give you a hint, fighting and alcohol is involved.

Does this mean I'm an alcoholic who likes to start fights using my blade? No.... Does this mean the majority of Finnish people living here are like that? No.


I remember when I was a kid, you'd often see Finnish men sitting in a park or at a square in the middle of the afternoon drinking. I bet for a bunch of Swedes those were the only Finns they saw that day.

I hope they didn't think we're all like that.....


I'm not saying immigration don't cause problems. I've seen the problems myself.

I'm saying extreme views aren't gonna solve anything. On the contrary.

Blaming immigration for everything is an old trick that's been used in the past.





/jarmo

Lets go back to Africa. we're all offspring of African eve.
but no we can't. we left so far out from the shore and can't find our way back any more.

Please know this norway here're quite a few immigrants, mixed cultured and mixed race people among us, co existing peacefully with others in their regions, who you are denying the existence of.
You're wishing your friends extinction.

So it's many other places it can be like that, ironcly on indian turf...sort of. More positives in single-ethnic anyway.

I'm against it regardles, especially in northern-europe.







Wishfull thinking on my behalf but you got an absurd insinuation.

Go say it leads to extremism to those who get their heads cut off, all the rapevictims, indians, samii's, witches (pagans).




http://www.rights.no/filer2/HRS_Demografi-notat_171108.pdf

Read for yourself.

Not only racistpigs like me care, human rights organisations apparantly does too.


It's not a question about wether you find it imorale or not viewing Norway as a land for samii's and nordic people-
-it's wether the indigeneous populations are for or against and has influence in this question.

This is still a democracy remember? Not a totalarian, christian moral regime.








Let me guess, christian historians told you this? Woho, the vikings again...it's getting old.

Anyway, what point is this?
Better be an odalist than some mass-culture-inqisitor.

I imagining me you in the 700's accepting the missionaries. "Come on, let them come and do as they please".

The vikinage is just a small part of our history-
-pagan cults of love and fertillity f.x have existed a long time and I dare claim this religion was practiced all over Europe.  : ok:

These were later accused as witches (magic word), humiliated, tortured for days and burnt alive by millions.

And people wonder why some react towards neo-christianity. :confused:







I view all humans as equals and worthy, big fan of Maxim, Bruce Lee and De Nero. Doesn't quite fit in your stereo-dictionary?

Origin is essential in understanding yourself and others imo.








Ever thought that sometimes the truth is racistic in itself?

When sides of man and nature fit into a definition, of decpicable acts (by contemporary official and semi-public deception) like sinner, racist, nonbeliver, witch, nazi, whore etc it doesn't necesarily mean fictional books, frivolous definitions, ideas, irrational thought-processes and doctrines have the answer to how we should react to them.

I worry much more about those who frequently uses these expressions in ideological statements.
As if it is some ingenious argument to discredit and gain support.

Racist is becoming like a hijab, handcuff of something very positive and natural. I focus on defeating the blind intoleranse, discrimination and shallow thought.

Considering reality, you got less blood on your hand being "racist" in Norway than being one of those multi-culturalists.


We got plenty of trouble allright, especially in sending the churches back to hell, not to adopt more.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD_1PFbhAKI

This was Olso after a high-profile politician supported Israel, and no, I am against all non-european immigration.

Islam actually has some great philosophy about love in it.




Just last week a nightraven (voulenteer parents/adults that walks in the streets to prevent harm etc) were brutally assaulted in blind violence.

This was a 60 year old woman beaten up pretty bad. Wth?

Go tell her my views leads to extremism.

Or what about all the terror-attacks and constant fear certain groups spread in our society?

Go tell them my views lead to extremism.

What about all the people thats forced into being tolerant out of fear of being labeled racist (because people see eachother as the position they hold withing a network, not just as the personification they manifest) and shunned that get slaughtered for someone else's fiction that only make themself look ok for having the right view?

Go tell them my views lead to extremism.

Ethnic europeans are emigrating to Skandinavia, Australia, Canada and USA en masse to get away.

Go tell them my views lead to extremism.

Say it only leads to extremism to all the young ones being gangraped and beaten or ousted out from their homes.

Say it to the children growing up under unbearable circumstances at school.

Say it to all the real refugee's voting immigrant-hostile parties (oh, the irony).

Say it to all the ethnic norwegians being stabbed to death, weekly. All the robbery, crimes, drugs and destruction.

Wake up, it's a fucking bloodbath. Admit it.
Our society has become so violent, degenerated and unsafe, it's not even tolerated to talk about it.

Oh no, that would be racistic. Then we don't get salvation? ::)

The notion that other people should suffer and die for us or due to our actions is typical christian heresy.



Our institutions chooses to lie, which only creates more fear and discomfort.

We know from other episodes in history _very_ dangerous situations can evolve rapidly under such circumstances.

Go claim my views lead to extremism, at least I'm open.

Lets completely ignore all the victims that suffer as a direct result of your careless, self-righteous views.

All the folkgroups are disappearing, all the cultures going lost.

My views has been a needed and necesary part of nature and side to man since the begining of time-
-and it has been that in all it's beauty and ugliness.

There is no doubt in my mind it will continue as such, nature always win in the end.








And you like to use nazism as an excuse to disregard sides to other people and opinions. Think! You're no zombie.

Does Mr.Brownstone lead to school-shootings or is it something else?







First of all, it's not a meal, it's junk.

You gonna use fish and oil as an explanation we have it so good in Norway? Go ahead.
 Wasn't expecting something else from a "sweede".

Can't admit that some of the qualities of our society can come from the people can we? ::)

Maybe the reason there is so much Black Metal and anti-christian revolt from Norway (and parts of Sweden that belonged to norwegian kings) is because we never, for all practical purposes and as the only place in Europe, been converted to catholic christianity?

This is the explanation of stave churches you only have in Norway and parts of Sweden buildt before 1349.

The idea that we should need immigrants to take the jobs we don't wan't is pretty silly anyway.






You know, those things had a point with them thats been completely ignored. Even the skogsal-thread had.

I'm the one being applied that tho, meh.






1. Ladypig= attack on certain female culture. Some felt struck I guess :P
2. Opinion, one most people in the world agree's too aswell when it comes to viewing europeans as...european.
3. Attack against christianity.

Any individual attacks here?


Some of my solutions to some problems, f.x deformalities, diseases and disabillities has caused some offense.

It's not my intention however,
- I stand for these things. Humans are worth a bit more than feelings imo.








If it's this absolute to you then keep working when it's pagan celebrations as an example.

Unless you accept it as a part of our collective culture.








Comparing me to Hitler... ::)





This is the _only_ thing that has created culture in the first place, with both beauty and ugliness.

Inspiration, Idea, Ideal, Identity and practition by an ethnic group.

What you are so supportive off has in pretty much all cases been distaster and misfortune for the native populations.

I guess you think we should let the skandinavian wolf go extinct too because "people has always done this and that".

 "yeah, I see the problems but what the hell, lets continue".


You only tried to punch holes in my standpoint.
Not ONE suggestion or answer to solve any of these problems has come from you.

The "it works in Amerika" -card doesn't apply to Europe.







Nah. It's a case of a race being denied existence.

If you are germanic, concious about heritage and against racemixing you're obviously Satan or something...

Sorry if you gotten the wrong end of things, it's not always as cliche' as it may seem. :peace:



On topic (or is it?) here's an blabbelmouth about Varg's release:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=115816

There is no goddamn reason in the world for this thread to have gone on 8 pages now. 

You are still ignorant and think everyone else is wrong but you, now stfu already.

By the way, this board is made up of immigrants and people of all races and colors so it's obvious you have nothing in common with us here so why don't you find one more suitable to you?

Once again, along post about nothing more than more of the same!


EXPLAIN:

"I want a white Europe"

How is that not racist?

You're excluding people by their skin color.

Then you go on to say you treat all humans alike. Yeah, as long as they stay where they are and don't dare come close to Europe.

The fact that you like Robert DeNiro really proves how open minded you truly are. ::)




And once again, you like to blame immigration for everything.

That's the easy way out.



Maybe if people were held responsible for their actions they'd learn? Like your hero Varg. He was held responsible....

Do you think people would commit more crimes if they were held responsible for it?






Did you ever think that even without immigration, people in Norway wouldn't act the way they acted 20, 30, 50 or 200 years ago?

Assuming they weren't all a bunch of church burning knife carrying murderers who were living isolated from the outside world.






The fact that you can't even spell Swede is amusing. Better luck next time.




Does Mr Brownstone lead to school shootings? No. Stupidity does.

That's another thing that has happened in various places, no matter the continent or tribe. Finland, Germany, USA...

Can you blame that on immigration too?


By the way, how did they treat murderers in those glory days? Do you think old Varg would be alive today if he was convicted in those days?

Eye for an eye maybe? Maybe the victim's relatives would've been given permission to go after Varg with axes....

All this 18 years in jail and welcome back shit seems a bit too Christian doesn't it? Almost like he sinned and then got forgiveness.....  ???



I want you to EXPLAIN to all of us here how you're not a racist.

If it's too much to ask to respond to all my question, just focus on that one. Make it your main task. Forget about spelling Sweden correctly.

# based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
# a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
# discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion

You don't want certain people in your country based on their race.


I don't see you posting here for too long...... The kind of shit you're posting goes against the whole idea of the Internet.

Where people from all over the world can "meet" no matter their gender, race, religion and so on.





/jarmo

Really, as I see it, this imigrant program is nothing but as nice gesture and it isn't going to offer any solution, long or short term.

EDIT: I'm obviously talking about fugitive's.

The ones who say immigration causes problems are only telling part of the truth.

What causes problems is when you put a lot of people in the worst parts of town, with no jobs, nothing to do and no interaction with the rest of society.


What causes most of the problems? Segregation.

What's norway's solution to all problems? More segregation based on race.


What about all those who are adopted from foreign countries? They seem to manage.... They're supposed to be "different" and just cause a lot of problems right?



/jarmo

Yeah, that's true.

But it's still a bad excuse to explain the rape numbers. My solutions, have a trial and if guilty send them back to the country  they came from.

First off, if a person thinks that kind of behavior (rape) is normal, then there's something wrong with him/her.

So that's the first problem. Why do they do it?

And then, would they keep doing it (or any other crimes) if they knew what the consequences were?


I don't think people from abroad are more stupid than the rest of the country....



The thinking that only people from other cultures are able to do horrible things is just plain wrong.

Josef Fritzl? European.....






/jarmo

That's pretty lame, Sin Cut.  Numbers or not, many rapes and a host of other crimes are committed by people living in their own country.  What's your solution for them? 

I think country names should be forbidden as usernames. I feel embarassed.

This is a fuckin' dressed up clown talking, not Norway the country. When people talk about norway's ways and thoughs it's actually the clowns thoughts, not Norways.

I know that, but they're a minority and do 50% or rapes in our capital!

My solution for our native rapers is jail.

Look at the situation in Berlin, it's not just HERE.

Maybe one solution would be to help them to adapt in our lands ways and cutoms, since now they don't, and it's us who pay for it.


I can't really tell, not with the numbers as high as they are. Any thoughts?

The diference is I haven't attacked anyone individually due to their gender, race or opinions here.


Uh.......as a matter of fact - you have, Norway.   

Who? ??? Err...what poster have I attacked?

I don't think anyone here is judging the country, just the one narrow minded freak that lives in it and posts here.

I am sure, as we all must be, that he is an exception-not the norm.

you.




na that's obviously ethnopluralism neo nazi.
To be conscious of heritage you don't fucking burn it.

You stick fast to one region, culture and race, which is all good as the choice is yours.
But you're against others who don't. What business is it of yours?


Immigrant song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svR3iXKTJvc

such an excellent point! : ok:

I disagree.

It wasn't before the christianisation (integration) of Samii's things got very conflicted.

If people really agree to it then we need a solid fundament for it, and preservative outlook for one thing. That is multi-culture.

"You're in Europe, act like it" doesn't work.




I enjoy the the concept of diferent people and culture.

We been living in segregation with the samii's (them/us) and the result is two great living cultures and folkgroups.

Maybe this would cause less conflicts?
I don't think many humans are very happy being all alike, rootless on modern culture either.

Equality is one of the worst ideas imo, it never accepts diversity or freedom of the individual.





Yes, but the thinking that humans aren't affected by race, enviroment and host-culture is scientificly incorrect.

It's not the first time fictional definitions and unsubstinated acusations has won over truth, reason and rational thought-
-combine it with a flock and popular belief, voila'.

Ever contemplated much over what actually has led to witch-processes, what processes causes real racism and genocides?

Demonisations?




You made a PM into something more than what it was.

I remember the political threads and told you maybe HTGTH is not a place for that discussion.


I'm not saying I don't mean what I say, but that it may not be as absolute as it seem.
When people are posting "all men are pigs" or holding white people to a diferent standard then get ready for it, a reaction is coming.

Many of the things I posted has been completely misunderstood or made into something it's not.

I'm the one who makes retarded threads hm? (if you remember all the Axl's Teeth, born woman etc-threads).
I'm the racistpig?
I'm the misogynist?

See a double-standard being pointed out? Certain people need to look in themself a bit.

Laughing at blonde jokes and screaming racist at negro-jokes is not discriminatory, no not at all. ::)






No I am not, I told you about a personal preference I have and how I'd rather see it. Shared an opinion.

There's little room for diferent worldviews, guess I should lie, be silent.

A dream-scenario for me would be an eucological, nordic union, population decrease and see Europe nominally pagan again.

Maybe we one day can let the vanir become the ansur and ansunjur, to say it more specificly.
-and that will happen in Europe if so.





And if they dare come close to Europe then I do what? Eloborate, please...

You're making up things, knock it off.




I'm not disproved as open minded in the first place. Not sure about you however, vivid imagination at least :P




It has consequences so I challenge some opinions. Do the people themself influence it, wan't it and control it?

I think the majority is infact against "non-western" immigration.





I think some of that (the disgusting acts) comes from our disregard for man, which were cultivated by the church when it rejected paganism.




I already adressed this, you're not finding what you are searcing for.

This is a part of all humans. Although, that is depending on which definition you apply.


People used the witchhammer (malleus malleficarum), der ewige jude, now they use the racisthammer.

Recongise a pattern here?

I see how the basis in this behaviour is a common fundament in nazism, racial discrimination, witch-processes etc.





We actually have a law in Norway that makes it not legal by the state to protect religion for attacks.

The anti-discrimination law is all we need, always respect the individual (aesir).





And this is not an argument in your favor. : ok:
Today we focus so much on race as a negative that we can't see the positives.

I love the idea of diferent races, meetings, arrangements and so on. So much that I seek out these things.



I think it's sad if it has to be that way, but it's your board.

If it isn't for what I post, which usually is not the sensitive things people can take offense off, it's ironicly the intoleranse talking.






Christianity was a cruel regime and a threat.

Funny you say that. As far as I know, they weren't always treated with respect.

I guess in order to keep them separated from the rest of us.

Is that "great"?




Of course you do.

Imagine if everybody was treated equally. How horrible!





Say what?








Talk about trying to change the subject.




You wanting Europe to be white and posting about "Germania" is really easy to misunderstand.

It just rings some bells. "Haven't we heard this before?"






Saying "I prefer blonds to brunettes" is one thing. But making it about race and stuff, knowing your opinions on the matter, it just leaves a very bad taste.






There's very little room for hate and racism. So maybe you should.





I don't want any kind of union with you.







You like Bruce Lee.

If he was alive, would you welcome him to live in Norway?






Explain it.




Do you love the idea of all those people coming to Norway?






/jarmo

Fine! I can see it happen tho :)






It's a natural part of me, love for my family and race (DNA). Even homeland (odal). I don't discriminate persons.

Speaking towards something (ladypig) is diferent than towards someone.

Today we have the biggest and fastest demographical shifts in history-
-prolly healthy to be a bit skeptical. :hihi:

I think we need the absolute oposite in some debates, to see what fundaments it's buildt on.

Same with attacking the shallow thought and idea of right and wrong.





To live? No, I don't like it very much. Look at history and consequence-analysis. Norway is only capable of holding 3.2 million aswell.

This is what politicans never mention in enviromental debates, population growth.





Yeah maybe, but I wouldn't be so sure when it comes to the views about the church in Norway. : ok:

Followed by:






You don't discriminate?

You're basing your opinion on who gets to live where based on race!

In other words, your opinion is like this: "Great, you're from Africa. Cool, awesome, but stay there and don't come to live in Europe because you're from Africa! I don't want you here because you're not European.".

Not discriminating?




/jarmo

Love of DNA? :rofl:

That's a new one.

That is SOOOO gonna be my new pick-up line at the watering hole.

I just have to share this.

Norwegian view of the world

(http://s.naurunappula.com/0/268/216/479904.jpg)

Let me know how that works out for ya! ;D

The map of Sweden is missing Systembolaget (the Swedish liquor stores) which Norwegians love.

 ;)




/jarmo

Tell me about it. With swedish kroner at an all time low I'm crossing the boarder tomorrow to get cheap Jack, marlboros, Bacon and off course the mega size bag of chicken fillets!  :rofl:

in estonia it's cheaper? isn't it?

Of course, chicken!  ;D




/jarmo

It might be i don't know, but you do get the travel expences as well so I'm not so sure it'd be as profitable.  :hihi:

you should close this thread..

I want to know how this guy don't consider himself a racist when he says he doesn't discriminate people based on their origin, but based on where they are from should determine if they should be allowed into his country.



/jarmo

you now you wont achieve that..
at least we could use this therad as a sociologycal study.. learning how racists and this kinda people thinks and also how they use random excuses to cover up their mediocrity and fear

What an odd shopping list!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6ffBQLU00

Christianity and Samii's, we know less about nordic shamanism than samii.





Homo and hetero people exlude on gender, it's not individual discrimination tho.

It's a natural side to them.






We again (group-identity and morale), a fictional social group determines who are the good and bad individuals by diferences?

Yes, we can learn about sociology from threads. :-*




Flock-ideology:



The worst thing in the world imo...



Nazi's are a great example.
Normal people (not lonley misfits/psycho's) became mass-murderers under pressure.

Group-hate often have an absurd lack of truth/rationality.

We see supression, revisal of history, (witch-processes, book-fires) and word-mechanisms tailored to it's rhetorics.
 

The christian state, the nazi state and now the multi-cultural state wasn't something the indigeneous populations choose themself.

All regimes sold an idealistic, comfortable promise and targeted public perception (deception) and insecureties.

All were defined by ethnic/civil (vikinage/the 30's/now) conflicts in it's initiation-
- and followed by public enemies being labeled and discriminated individually, I recognise these patterns today.

In Norway, the atmosphere towards harsher punishments is rising, which is not necesarily a wanted or rational reaction.

Christianity, that brought us the shallow depiction; right and wrong, and concept of sin, is one reason we still live on such totalarian premisses.



What crimes are being done? Why care?


The eradiction of ethnic groups and culture. Essentially, thats some of what I speak towards.


Ethnic groups will cease to exist, unless we change our way of thinking, and with them, great cultures and civilisations.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/18/race-identity-britain-study

Article about GB, similar topic. :peace:


Thats the reason I also attack the "anti-racists/feminists", (usually anti-nordites/sheeps/sexists) for seeking their fundaments.

Which I think should be replaced with anti-discrimination or gender-neutral freedomfight.

It should not be legal anywhere to protect race, gender and religion for critisation by law imo-
-so to make a point, you can become the complete oposite. : ok:


Once we accomodate to withchunting we distort reality, supress and compromise with the truth.

While two absolute claims mutually devalidate eachother based on logic, the indoktrination determines whats accepted.
Which again legislate gross disrespect for the individual.

Self-declared ladypigs are of the first ones to curse me out. Hah! :hihi:






I agree, but racist isn't the word.
 Yes, you do find irrational patterns of group-hate in "racism" too.

Attacking the shallow thought, blind intoleranse and disrespect for the individual is my answer for seeking the truth. : ok:

Just because I view Axl Rose and Brad Pitt as nordic people doesn't mean I'm scared or mediocre. :P

I wan't more nordic and european people to have a better relationship to nature, homelands, their origin and race.

Even the "American" honeymoon/halloween is pagan.





Nordic languages has several words for love, kj?rlighet, elskov, forelskelse, describing the diferent forms of love.

In paganism its' even more.

The saudi-world opress the sexual nature in man f.x, in the western world we opress other parts.
Which cause genetic recognition and attraction to these individuals.

A side to all animals, thats what we are too. It is still a value if used right.

Thats what I like about Black Metal, apart from the depiction of honesty without compromise and individualisism-
-it refer to the european religion. :peace:





Harry-handel (gay shoppingtrip) as it's called. :hihi:

You still didn't address how it's not discriminating to say that certain people are not welcome to come to your country based on their origins.

Which isn't shocking because you don't want to admit it.

"I'm not racist, I just love the Nordic people and don't want non-Europeans in Europe.".  ::)

Using your "logic", nobody's racist.

Maybe racism is a myth created by those evil church building Christians!







/jarmo

was. in the past.
and yet you want Europe all white, never mind most of which are Christian.


You sounds hypnotic.


Or this might be an alarm bell. not to repeat the history this time.

"The Great Depression ended at different times in different countries. The majority of countries set up relief programs, and most underwent some sort of political upheaval, pushing them to the left or right. In some states, the desperate citizens turned toward nationalist demagogues?the most infamous being Adolf Hitler?setting the stage for World War II in 1939

It's still here...



Neo-christian. ;)

It's nominal anyway, most practice respectively pagan celebrations and tradtions.

Italy's is called pizza in there language thats fucked up

^As a native of Kilt, I urge you to look closer at the names....

sorry if offended but its a bit weired

You're the best thing that has happened at this board in a long time.

I think I just wet myself laughing.

BTW, I am 4th gen. American by way of Pizza. ;D

I'm from Pub   ;D

Mayhem really is/was an awesome band - not that I've ever heard a note of their music. First they had a singer called Dead who committed suicide, then after Count Grishnackh Varg murdered Euronymous Oystein, the bassist Necrobutcher Jorn left because he was so upset. Fortunately he has returned to the fold, though we no longer have Maniac Sven on vocals and Blasphemer Rune on guitar which sucks.......

and together we have pizza and beer, a fine night for all! :hihi:


seems that about covers it, eh?

im half pizza, a quarter River Dance, idk what they call the polish but im a eight of it, and the rest is whatever the fuck they call German

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWFEZSFDYA

here, I have brought DEAD back to life for you.

excuse me now while I go take the entire bottle of Tylenol.

YOU HAVE SOME BRATWURST IN YOU!

No wonder you're having a hard time with the ladies!

i thought that 2 but wouldnt my bad ass Italian side over shadow the Bratwurst side

Trailer for a documentary, made by Americans of all things, I think. :peace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2C9vS8mx2c


Never could stand the vocals on the old bands.

Today Gorgoroth, Gaahl, Infernus, Satyricon and the new ones got a better both musical and/or ideologic element to them.
Even Wardruna which isn't metal, but some of the same peeps.

That was Hitler's political slogan. People went mad for it.

Call me shallow but I know those bands all suck without listening to them. Black metal is stoopid, it's aural Dungeons and Dragons.

you're not shallow..you're an astronaut! ;D

just sayin


but I have to agree Black Metal is fucked up and not worth the plastic it is printed on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuEtANKb6BQ

 :hihi:



/jarmo

Astronautism is just a hobby. I will concede that Death Metal is stoopider than Black Metal, because given a choice between Cookie Monster raping corpses and Slayer ripoffs in facepaint....

 :rofl: that was hilarious.


Seriously, I dated a guy last year that listened to this shite and he was very particular about it.  Needless to say, it didn't work out.

Too funny, he hears cookie monster too   : ok:

I mean they could be reciting the friggin alphabet in every song, who would know?

The guy you dated last year?

He was 37 going on 10.  Guy had a PHd but acted like he lived in a frat house.

But yea, he would probably know.

What did he have a PhD in? Vikingology?

You didn't like his DNA?




/jarmo

Top 10 Most Ridiculous Black Metal Pictures (http://www.zonaunderground.com/default.asp?seccion=detalle_nodo&id=100375&s=8)

This isn't even number one.....

(http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics5/bm2/bm5.jpg)

Varg is a turd. 


 :rofl:


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: 

Those are great.


Yeah...leave off the most famous fascists of all time.

Seriously....this whole thread is nuckin' futs.

I just can't get passed 'astronautism'  :rofl:

I really didn't, instead I opted for someone a bit taller with a little bit better taste in music. :hihi:

that, beer brewing, and crappy music.

that went over the head and below the knees, G. :-X

(http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/pics4/wbm/10a.jpg)

Varg in his Forrest Gump period.

Nothing neo-Nazi about this at all....nope nope, just don't see it! ::)

Did you know that Hitler won two Iron Crosses for bravery in WW1? I just read that the other day.

I did not know that but I will store it for future cocktail party chatter.

He was also a fascist dictator who invaded Poland, started WW2, slaughtered millions of Jews and Russians, and was generally a bit of a douche.

who knew?

Speaking of douche, I just took a shower using some new soap imported from Europe.  On the back of the bottle it says duschcreme.

Welcome to Sweden!




/jarmo

I'm very offended by this comment, people are born with Astronautism! Didn't you see Rain Man fer chrissake? You liberals are really nothing more than a group of elitists, who pick fights with retards and split hairs over apostrophes and shit like that.

Can you tell me phonetically how to pronounce that? :hihi:

Odd that it's in Swedish since the soap is actually made in Italy.

Not odd if it's sold all over Europe. It's cheaper to make one bottle for most of Europe instead of having a different bottle for each market....




/jarmo

Most everything does.

I love that guy.

You're ruder than Lisa

And they call us cultural imperialists...  :hihi: