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GN'R (Appetite) on the shortlist for greatest album of the MTv generation.
 

Vote here http://www.mtv.co.uk/entertainment/greatest-album-ever/competition/mtvs-greatest-album-ever

Not in bad company really remembering this is MTV ::)

This is a vote people.... so get on it.  : ok:


Half those albums I would dismiss as out of their league, but some of them are obvious gems.
It's clearly an MTV generation list only, and clearly UK. Either way, let's get Appetite to win!  8)

Yeah I agree.  Nirvana, Radiohead, U2, MJ and several others belong there, but who the fuck are the Arctic Monkeys?  And two Oasis albums?  lol only in the UK. 

Hmmm... I voted for Appetite but, if Chinese Democracy was on this list as it really fucking should be (If the media would  be honest for one fucking moment and pull their head out of their ass) I would have voted for that instead. Yea, you just read that right. I think Chinese Democracy, is a more timeless masterpiece. Appetite is the greatest Hard Rock album ever. Chinese is the best overall.

To each their own, but 'Appetite' changed my life. 'Chinese Democracy', while a very good and solid album in its' own right, doesn't have the same emotional "OOOOMPH" for me.

'Appetite' deserves to win that poll in a landslide, but who knows what those crazy Brits are thinking? It surprises me a little that Def Leppard's 'Pyromania' wasn't on there.

I would never try to tell u how to feel. As a Red Hot Chili Pepper fan, I get it all the time when I say I think By The Way and Stadium Arcadium are better than Blood sugar sex magik

So I understand liking CD better than Appetite.


However

U have to think on a global level though and which had the greater impact.


Biased Id say

Appetite
Purple Rain
Thriller



But its very hard to argue against Micheal Jackson's Thriller. Especially if we are talking MTV


Nevermind also..... Music sucks today and I blame it all on Nirvana cause what Nirvana did was, they made it cool for people with medicore talent to start bands and dumb down the guitar/melody and even vocals to a degree  which is why there are very few new rock guitar gods or awesome frontmen if any since the 80's early 90's.


whereas guitar player teens in the late 70's early 80's were influenced by legends like Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Iommi,Blackmore, Page, Richards, Perry, Van Halen etc etc etc

kids today are influenced by a lot of the medicore nu metalish stuff emo stuff and I trace it back to Cobain who was very influential.

I don't think it's something we can blame on Nirvana, they were a talented band, but you're right about the scope of their influence and the change it signaled. Also because of Cobain, Axl was in many ways the last real rock star. The whole mindset shifted with Kurt, redefining what was cool (oddly enough, his suicide did nothing to alter this). I love Nirvana and thought Kurt was a great songwriter and vocalist, but I never really understood the shift in cool. I read a quote by Steven Tyler once in the 90s where he said something like that his band was into having sex and the newer bands were into masturbation... and i thought that kind of hit on the difference. Regardless of music it just became about rock star light. Everyman frontman. Interestingly, Axl was the last pre-cobain rock star and he may soon emerge as the first post-cobain rock star also.




I agree. Maybe it will hit these lists someday.
But yeah, Chinese is the first album in a long long time to have this effect on me. I hoped it would, but I'm still kind of shocked that it actually has.

Dude look. I am certainly not disputing Appetite's impact. It changed your life. It saved my, at least as a dumbfuck teenager I thought it did. It was something I really needed at the time, and I was in a really confusing situation and was depressed as fuck. Appetite pulled me out of it. It helped to. I am not taking a thing away from it and what it means to me a personal level. But, when I listen to it now, and the place I am in my life, it sounds a bit dated. I can't relate to much of it that I did on a deep level, and felt this connection to it. I lived in L.A. and everything about the music just punched me in the face. It was an awakening. But, it sounds a bit dated. I think when Axl said he rerecorded it. I was never the purist that flipped the fuck out like these Watchmen purists screaming "Oh my god there isn't the ending with the squid!" I totally got what Axl said about some of the dated sound and mix. He gave a couple examples I know, and he is of course right.

Chinese Democracy is this timeless beautiful beast though. It is amazing to me it isn't being perceived like this for everyone.

voted!  : ok:

For what its worth, Ive voted  : ok:

Done.

yeah buddha me too would have voted for cd without a moment of hesitation if it had been there.


@Josh

Arctic Monkeys are a even better band than many that listed.

Arctic Monkeys were the wildest thing to happen this side of the millennium in the uk, Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not. The hype was massive and well deserved imo, Oasis...  proper classic. All brit rock mind you,

All that said i still voted GNR,

You can vote as many time as you want also..... 

KEEP VOTING!  >:(

 ;D

To quote how the show ended.  "Axl, Duff, Izzy, and slash have NEVER rocked that hard"  and they never will again.  Of course some on this board think CD is the best album ever written ever. But in reality, its a very good album, and thats about it.  The name will always be asscociated with that line up and that album. A few members on these boards will never change that.  Axl himself knows it.

the world will end in 2012, right? or was it in 1999?  :hihi:

not to be argumentative, but there have been more than a few post-cobain rock stars

I know, and i'm obviously over-simplifying in a big way. I just mean to say that Axl seemed the last of a certain type of frontman on a massive level of fame. His place in history is clear and chronological. Something happens in the 90s, and while Kurt doesn't do it by himself, it's interesting to ponder the role he played. At the same time was the emergence of hip-hop to it's mainstream media potential, and the beginnings of a media and communications boom that forever changes how fame works. I think the way media has changed and increased allows for more stars, but limits the height of the biggest ones. I think the kind of fame Michael Jackson had for example, is in some ways a thing of the past, and in the same way, I think Axl in the early 90s was about as big as any rock frontman could get, and bigger than any since.
A lot of the shift I'm imagining I think has to do with stage-presence. When I see Axl live, he commands the stage in a way that I only see from him and frontmen before him. Which isn't to say that there aren't huge rock stars who came after him and command a stage in a big way, but it's in a different way. Maybe that's just me, but to use examples I think Axl belongs in a group with Bono, Tyler, Jagger, etc. Then after him I think there's a shift and you get guys like Vedder, Grohl, Maynard, who are all great, but different in their approach. Less swagger, more pain maybe, it's hard to pinpoint what it is. I just know that it's the kind of thing that influence effects, like how Pete Townsend spawned generations of guitarists with windmill arms. So in that sense I think Axl was the culmination of a certain type of influence, and I think Cobain was the first fully mainstream, and therefore hugely influential, example of a different type of influence.

If that makes sense to anyone cool... if not then yeah, there have been rock stars since cobain, I just mean Axl rocks the best.

Skunk has a point, I can see were he is coming from.  I generally hate when a frontman plays an instrument with the exception of a few such as Hetfield, phil lynott and maybe hendrix.  My favourite frontmen usually run all over the stage like Axl, ozzy, steven tyler etc

I love the fact only axl is who I'm kjeen on among your fav frontmen, jac.  :rofl:

nayhoo

it appears the voting's still on. vote people vote!

^Assuming its open till the 11th,

In response to earlier post Bono has gone way down hill as a frontman.

And the results are, from No.1...

MICHAEL JACKSON - THRILLER
CRAIG DAVID - BORN TO DO IT
GUNS 'N' ROSES - APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
RADIOHEAD - OK COMPUTER
NIRVANA - NEVERMIND
OASIS - (WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY?
OASIS - DEFINITELY MAYBE
U2 - THE JOSHUA TREE
ARCTIC MONKEYS - WHATEVER PEOPLE SAY I AM, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT
AMY WINEHOUSE - BACK TO BLACK
THE STROKES - IS THIS IT
KANYE WEST - THE COLLEGE DROPOUT
THE STONE ROSES - THE STONE ROSES
EMINEM - THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP
THE SMITHS - THE QUEEN IS DEAD
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
PRINCE; THE REVOLUTION - PURPLE RAIN
REM - AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE
USHER - 8701
PIXIES - DOOLITTLE
THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - READY TO DIE
LAURYN HILL - THE MIS-EDUCATION OF LAURYN HILL
HUMAN LEAGUE - DARE
JAY-Z - THE BLUEPRINT
DIZZEE RASCAL - BOY IN DA CORNER
MARY J BLIGE - WHAT'S THE 411?

 

Tune into MTV on Sunday 12 April 2009 to watch the full countdown of MTV?s Greatest Album Ever!

The fact GNR pissed on Nirvana makes me extremely happy!

Looking at the list, I figured it was an UK list....  :hihi:

Craig Davis has a classic album?

Oasis has two? Arctic Monkeys?



/jarmo

I've never heard of Craig David... these lists are getting silly.  It's like they need to include an album from every spectrum.
Even still I'm glad AFD gets the recognition it deserves

does not even matter that its UK there is no way craig david should be in that chart, must have been rickrolled or something

shitty list

where?s ten?

It's just an acquired taste. Yeah Right!

Looks to me like Craig David has a lot of free time on his hands and he punched his own ticket over and over!!

Those 2 Oasis albums defined a period in British music, as Appetite did in the 80's. Oasis may not be everyones cup of tea but they have really grown on me and i would definately say that both Definately and Whats the Story are classics. Craig David, god no!!

plus arctic monkeys are goooood.


Yes the uk list says GNR is No1 rockband  8)

AFD, Nevermind and the two Oasis albums I love.

The rest, bleh.

Though I can understand MJ, RATM, Prince, Radiohead and U2 being there. Not really bands/artists I listen to but at least they've had some kind of impact on music. Arctic Monkeys? What?! Outrageous.


EDIT: I think Oasis have always been more popular in Britain that anywhere else. To me, they would belong on a 'classic albums' list. I wouldn't have forseen Craig David being there however.

It says greatest album of the MTV generation not necessarily classic of all time or old.

Did anyone else actually catch the show?
No love for GNR at all and i believe they were called a joke band by zane lowe. (zane.lowe@bbc.co.uk)

^Really? I'm sure it was him that was the DJ when a radio station played AFD in its entirety and he was quite complimentary towards them. Maybe I'm wrong.

^Yeah he did although i think it was voted for so he had no choice. I couldn't quite believe it myself when he said it.

double tongued mofos suck

LOL. I couldn't agree more. What the hell is he doing on this list? Seeing his name in the same right under Michael Jackson is really odd.