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Title: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: speedfreak on March 03, 2009, 08:45:46 PM I posted this on another GNR forum, and thought that it might be of use to fans.
Here is a list of all the circulating demos and sessions by the old GNR. As far as I know, this list is complete. I've attempted to simplify things somewhat by listing the main bootleg CDs that they were originally found on. The times after the songs are only meant as a guideline. These songs exist on multiple unofficial releases and there are variances depending on the release, source tape etc. I didn't include radio edits or remixes, just studio demos. Most of the Appetite era demos could be found on 3 main bootlegs: No Refrain, November Rain & The Rumbo Tapes. The songs on No Refrain are from at least 2 different sessions. Trax 1-8 contain songs that ended up officially released (with crowd noise dubbed in). Also Slash's guitar is in the left channel. Trax 9 -12 are played faster and sound rawer, with Slash's guitar in the right channel. Trax 13-15 are unplugged No Refrain Demos --------------------- 1. Jumpin' Jack Flash 3:35 2. You're Crazy 3:42 3. Reckless Life 3:13 (Live Like A Suicide version without crowd noise) 4. Heartbreak Hotel 4:22 5. Shadow Of Your Love 3:02 (was released on Live From The Jungle Japanese EP with crowd noise dubbed in) 6. Welcome To The Jungle 5:05 7. Move To The City 3:30 (Live Like A Suicide version without crowd noise) 8. Mama Kin 3:46 (Live Like A Suicide version without crowd noise) 9. Mama Kin 3:23 10. Heartbreak Hotel 4:33 11. Ain't Goin' Down [instrumental] 3:31 12. Jumpin' Jack Flash 3:21 13. Jumpin' Jack Flash [acoustic] 3:55 14. West Coast Junkie 0:38 (acoustic version of Move To The City that gets cut off) 15. November Rain [piano version] 9:42 The November Rain Demos sound more like rehearsal tapes than actual demos. They are played quite fast and raw, like the 2nd half of No Refrain. November Rain Demos -------------------------- 1. Rocket Queen 6:05 2. Night Train 4:55 3. My Michelle 4:24 4. You're Crazy 3:25 5. Paradise City 5:39 6. Move To The City 3:18 7. November Rain [acoustic guitar version] 4:55 8. Shadow Of Your Love 2:41 (a cleaned up version was issued as the B-Side for Live And Let Die] 9. Reckless Life 2:48 10. Think About You 3:54 11. Welcome To The Jungle 5:00 (starts out with Axl asking "Are you guys ready?) 12. Don't Cry 5:19 13. Nice Boys 2:58 14. Back Off Bitch 4:40 15. Anything Goes 4:31 The Rumbo Tapes are from at least 2 different sessions. Half the songs are very early versions of Appetite-era songs. The other half use a drum machine. Rumbo Tapes: ----------------- 1. The Garden 5:05 (w/ drum machine) 2. Don't Cry 4:40 (A cleaned up version was issued as the B-Side for Don't Cry) 3. Yesterdaze 3:39 (w/ drum machine) 4. Sentimental Movie 4:43 (w/ drum machine. Duff on vocals) 5. Bad Obsession 5:07 (w/ drum machine. Izzy on vocals) 6. Crash Diet 4:50 (w/ drum machine) 7. Anything Goes 5:09 8. Bring It Back Home 5:41 (w/ drum machine) 9. Back Off Bitch 4:50 10. Ain't Goin' Down [instrumental] 3:25 (mislabeled on CD as Heartbreak Hotel) 11. Move To The City [acoustic] 3:46 (the first 40 seconds is found on No Refrain as "West Coast Junkie") 12. Too Much Too Soon 6:29 (w/ drum machine) 13. Just Another Sunday 4:34 (w/ drum machine) 14. Welcome To The Jungle 4:58 More early demos: --------------------- 1. Out Ta Get Me 4:00 (originally found on 44 Caliber Horticulture vinyl bootleg) 2. Rocket Queen [take II] 6:32 (originally found on 44 Caliber Horticulture vinyl bootleg) 3. Nightrain [alt. intro] 5:12 (originally found on Metal Petals vinyl. The beginning of the song is played like they played it live in 1986) 4. Sweet Child O' Mine 6:28 (originally found on Metal Petals vinyl.) 5. Mr. Brownstone 4:13 (originally found on Metal Petals vinyl.) 6. Crash Diet (alt. mix) 4:27 (on The Hell Revisited 3cd bootleg) 7. Instrumental Demo # 1 3:32 (on The Hell Revisited 3cd bootleg. Doesn't sound like anything recognizable) 8. Instrumental Demo # 2 3:34 (on The Hell Revisited 3cd bootleg. Doesn't sound like anything recognizable) 9. Nice Boys 2:42 (recently surfaced on some 80's Hair Metal compilation. sounds like L.L.A.S. outtake) Cornshucker demos: ------------------------ 1. One In A Million 6:34 2. You're Crazy [acoustic] 4:28 (recorded in 1986. A cleaned up version was used as the B-Side to Welcome To The Jungle) 3. Used To Love Her / Cornshucker 5:51 4. Patience 6:00 (Same as the final version?) Many of the Use Your Illusion demos and sessions were leaked in May 1991 on a bootleg tape called "Axl's Advance Copy". Most of the songs are very similar to the final versions except that they aren't fully mixed and there are some minor vocal differences. This tape plus the Civil War demos and some December 1989 rehearsals were all remastered and re-released on CD Use Your Illusion Outtakes CD1: ------------------------------------ 1. Dust N' Bones 4:57 2. Bad Obsession 5:24 3. Back Off Bitch 4:43 (missing much of intro guitar solo. goes right into the 1st verse at 0:20) 4. Double Talkin' Jive 3:17 5. November Rain 8:50 6. The Garden 5:17 7. Garden Of Eden 2:43 8. Don't Damn Me 5:17 (drums can be heard counting in beginning of song) 9. Bad Apples 4:27 10. Dead Horse 4:20 11. Coma 10:06 (sound effects, overdubs not done) Use Your Illusion Outtakes CD2: ------------------------------------ 1. Civil War # 1 7:38 2. Civil War # 2 7:26 (instrumental demo) 3. Civil War # 3 7:20 (demo) 4. Ain't Goin' Down 5:09 (with Axl vocals) 5. Get In The Ring 5:15 (missing crowd effects, lead vocals) 6. Don't Damn Me # 1 5:22 (instrumental - from Mates Rehearsal 12/06/89) 7. Don't Damn Me # 2 4:57 (instrumental - from Mates Rehearsal 12/06/89) 8. Garden Of Eden 3:13 (instrumental - from Mates Rehearsal 12/06/89) 9. Locomotive 5:14 (instrumental - from Mates Rehearsal 12/06/89) 10. Dust N' Bones 5:12 (instrumental - from Mates Rehearsal 12/06/89) Finally, there are the Alan Niven tapes which just recently surfaced. GNR Ruffs w/ New Slash GTR's 09/21/90 ----------------------------------------------- 1. Estranged (instrumental) 9:27 2. Locomotive (instrumental) 8:30 3. Breakdown (instrumental) 7:11 4. The Garden (instrumental) 5:09 5. Black Leather (instrumental) 3:46 6. I Don't Care About You (instrumental) 2:09 7. Attitude (instrumental) 1:37 8. New Rose (instrumental) 2:40 9. 14 Years with new Duff bass 5:18 (the only track with vocals) Mixes & Q-Sound 01/18/91 --------------------------------- 01. November Rain 8:51 02. November Rain [Q-Sound] 8:51 03. Live And Let Die 3:00 04. Live And Let Die [Q-Sound] 3:00 05. Estranged 9:23 06. Estranged [Q-Sound] 9:23 07. Double Talkin' Jive 3:20 08. Double Talkin' Jive [Q-Sound] 3:20 09. You Ain't The First 2:30 10. You Ain't The First [Q-Sound] 2:30 11. Yesterdays 3:11 12. Yesterdays [Q-Sound] 3:11 13. Pretty Tied Up 5:21 14. Pretty Tied Up [Q-Sound] 5:21 15. You Could Be Mine 5:42 16. You Could Be Mine [Q-Sound] 5:42 17. Bad Apples 4:28 18. Bad Apples [Q-Sound] 4:28 19. Don't Cry (original) 4:43 20. Don't Cry (original) [Q-Sound] 4:43 21. Don't Cry (alt. lyrics) 4:43 22. Don't Cry (alt. lyrics) [Q-Sound] 4:43 That's it, as far as I know. The It's So Easy instrumental demo is a fake, the My World and Estranged demos are fakes and so is everything on the "UYI and TSI Sessions" 2cd bootleg. Please feel free to add anything that I've missed. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Limulus on March 04, 2009, 11:50:50 AM thats a project i really wonder why we havent completed ever up to 2009.
no time for verifying this all but some things got right into my eyes: - in general ALL unofficial demo releases should be compared exactly qualitywise, concentrating on the late 80s/early-mid 90s "original" releases as most of the later versions are just rip offs from them. - "in the studio" and "44 Caliber Horticulture" (cd) are also considered to be good sources - channels left/right: if Slash is on the left the transfer probably was just unintentionally made wrong (like connecting the wrong cables -> left is right/right is left....can easily be fixed without quality loss) - Cornshucker demos: 4. Patience 6:00 (Same as the final version?) <--- different for sure! Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: AtariLegend on March 13, 2009, 07:25:32 PM Although it's cool that they do, I'm surprised they allow the "Use Your Illusion Q" stuff to be shared. They are basically better sound quality versions of the originals (Expect "14 Years").
...It's a pity Slash didn't see it that way in his book. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: speedfreak on March 14, 2009, 06:24:46 AM thats a project i really wonder why we havent completed ever up to 2009. no time for verifying this all but some things got right into my eyes: - in general ALL unofficial demo releases should be compared exactly qualitywise, concentrating on the late 80s/early-mid 90s "original" releases as most of the later versions are just rip offs from them. - "in the studio" and "44 Caliber Horticulture" (cd) are also considered to be good sources Is "In The Studio" any different than "The Rumbo Tapes"?? I thought they were the same (they are both 66m56s) I heard 44 Caliber Horticulture years ago, and I seem to recall excess noise (tape hiss) and the songs sounded slightly sped up / pitched sharp. - channels left/right: if Slash is on the left the transfer probably was just unintentionally made wrong (like connecting the wrong cables -> left is right/right is left....can easily be fixed without quality loss) If you listen to the official releases of those songs with the crowd noise dubbed in, Slash's guitar is also in the left channel. It was definitely meant to be that way. - Cornshucker demos: 4. Patience 6:00 (Same as the final version?) <--- different for sure! Isn't it the same vocal and instrumental takes as the final version, just not mastered and mixed? Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Limulus on March 17, 2009, 06:43:15 PM havent compared "the rumbo tapes" , "in the studio" and "44 caliber horticulture" exactly.
my main thinking in those unofficial demo releases is the more early release the better in quality. sure it depends on source and transfer but back then bootleg companies liked to re-rip existing unofficial cds for (mostly more bad) re-pressings so they could make $$ aswell. channels left/right: hmmm, good point but maybe still a mistake after all? the slash man mostly is on the right later and live aswell. cornshucker demos-patience: you're right, same version as you've described. i mixed it up with "one in a million", sorry. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Aero on March 17, 2009, 08:39:28 PM great listing thank you ! :peace:
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Dash_X on June 02, 2009, 03:35:02 PM There are definate problems witb going by bootlegs titles and listings - West Coast Junkies is obviously not a demo - Lets try and match this to my list from a few years ago - note this is 2 years out of date (ChiDem stuff dates back to 2007), and catagorized completely differantly:
Demos: Anything Goes (Version 1) 5:09 - Alt. Lyrics Anything Goes (Version 2) 4:31 - Diff. Lyrics Back Off Bitch (Version 1) 4:50 Back Off Bitch (Version 2) 4:39 Bad Obsession 5:07 Don't Cry (Version 1) 4:39 - unmastered B-Side version Don't Cry (Version 2) 5:18 Mama Kin 3:28 Move To The City (Version 1) 3:46 - Acoustic Move To The City (Version 2) 3:14 Mr Brownstone 4:13 My Michelle 4:24 Nice Boys 2:56 Nightrain (Version 1) 4:55 Nightrain (Version 2) 5:12 November Rain (Version 1) 4:50 - Acoustic November Rain (Version 2) 9:43 - Piano Out Ta Get Me 4:02 Paradise City 5:40 Reckless Life 2:48 Rocket Queen (Version 1) 6:06 Rocket Queen (Version 2) 6:10 Sweet Child O' Mine 6:28 The Garden 5:05 Think About You 3:55 Welcome To The Jungle (Version 1) 4:58 Welcome To The Jungle (Version 2) 5:06 Welcome To The Jungle (Version 3) 5:00 Yesterdays 3:40 You're Crazy (Version 1) 3:45 You're Crazy (Version 2) 3:25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Studio Takes: 'Live Like A Suicide' Sessions ('86): Mama Kin (w/o Crowd Overdub) - overdubbed version found on 'Live Like A Suicide'/'Lies' Move To The City (w/o Crowd Overdub) - overdubbed version found on 'Live Like A Suicide'/'Lies' Reckless Life (w/o Crowd Overdub) - overdubbed version found on 'Live Like A Suicide'/'Lies' Shadow Of Your Love (w/o Crowd Overdub) - overdubbed version found on 'Live From The Jungle EP' Lies Session (Jan '88): Patience 5:56 - unmastered LP version Used To Love Her (Alt. Take) 1:30 One In A Million (Alt. Take) 6:32 Cornchucker 4:20 You're Crazy [Version 2] 4:26 - unmastered B-Side version UYI Sessions ('89 - '91): Civil War (Studio Take #1) 7:13 - backing track w/ Axl's vocals, but no sound effects or overdubs Civil War (Studio Take #2) 1:56 - Axl vocal take, backing track cuts out at 1:45 Civil War (Instrumental) 7:17 - instrumental backing track used on vocal takes Don't Damn Me (Alt. Vocal Take) 5:15 - Axl messes up, speaks to engineer, then improvises final lines Get In The Ring (Instrumental) 5:12 - has backing vocals, but not Axl's lead, or crowd effects UYI Rough Mixes with Slash Overdub (August 21st 1990): Estranged/Without You (Instrumental) 9:27 Locomotive (Instrumental) 8:30 Breakdown (Instrumental) 7:12 The Garden (Instrumental) 5:10 Black Leather (Instrumental) 3:46 I Don't Care About You (Instrumental) 2:09 Attitude (Instrumental) 1:37 New Rose (Instrumental) 2:40 14 Years ['w/ new Duff bass'] 5:18 - has alternate coda found not on final version UYI Mixes And Q-Sound (Dec '90 - Jan '91): November Rain (SSL #40) 8:53 - mix from 12/18/90 November Rain (SSL #42) 8:53 - Q-Sound Live And Let Die (SSL #37) 2:59 - mix from 12/17/90 Live And Let Die (SSL #31) 2:59 - Q-Sound Estranged (SSL #35) 9:10 - mix from 12/19/90 Estranged (SSL #39) 9:10 - Q-Sound Double Talkin' Jive (SSL #23) 5:19 - mix from 1/5/91 Double Talkin' Jive (SSL #29) 5:19 - Q-Sound You Ain't The First (SSL #15) 2:32 - mix from 1/6/91 You Ain't The First (SSL #17) 2:32 - Q-Sound Yesterdays (SSL #19) 3:13 - mix from 1/7/91 Yesterdays (SSL #22) 3:13 - Q-Sound Pretty Tied Up (SSL #46) 5:10 - mix from 1/10/91 Pretty Tied Up (SSL #42) 5:10 - Q-Sound You Could Be Mine (SSL #20) 5:48 - mix from 1/17/91 You Could Be Mine (SSL #30) 5:48 - Q-Sound Bad Apples (SSL #16) 4:25 - mix from 1/14/91 Bad Apples (SSL #22) 4:25 - Q-Sound Don't Cry [main lyric] (SSL #29) 4:45 - mix from 1/16/91 Don't Cry [main lyric] (SSL #48) 4:45 - Q-Sound Don't Cry [alt. lyric] (SSL #40) 4:45 - mix from 1/16/91 Don't Cry [alt. lyric] (SSL #45) 4:45 - Q-Sound ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unreleased Songs: Ain't Goin' Down Ain't Goin' Down (Live '86) only known full performance Hollywood, CA 8/23/1986 Ain't Goin' Down (Live '88) instrumental jam Mansfield MA, 8/24/1988 Bring It Back Home Cornchucker Cornchucker (Live '88) New York, NY 1/31/1988 Cornchucker (Live '93) jam w/ vocals Boston MA, 3/17/1993 Crash Diet Goodnight Tonight (Live '86) only known performance Hollywood, CA 1/18/1986 Goodnight Tonight (Live '92) Izzy & The Ju Ju Hounds, only recorded performance, Paris 9/30/1992 Heartbreak Hotel (Version 1) Heartbreak Hotel (Version 2) Instrumental Demo #1 same riff as 'Bring It Back Home' Instrumental Demo #2 Indiana Ain't My Kinda Town (Live '85) no known studio recording exists, only recording live in LA '85 It Tastes Good Don't It? (Live) no known studio recording exists, played live at least 3 times in '88 It Tastes Good/Rocket Queen (Live) hybrid version played 5 times in '91, and 3 times in '92[/color] Just Another Sunday Jumpin' Jack Flash (Version 1) Jumpin' Jack Flash (Version 2) Jumpin' Jack Flash (Version 3) Acoustic Sentimental Movie Too Much Too Soon Untitled Piano Piece (Making Of Estranged) Untitled Song (Making Of Estranged) possibly a demo of Slash's 'Back And Forth Again' Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Dash_X on June 02, 2009, 03:35:33 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rose/Hollywood Rose Songs: Unknown ['Rose 1983 Demo Tape' CD] (Summer 2002): My Way Your Way 4:51 - early 'Anything Goes' Shadow Of Your Love 2:52 - not to be confused with B-Side or the two 'Live From The Jungle' versions Wreckless 4:41 - early 'Reckless Life' That Something (w/o Axl) 4:46 - aka 'Taxi Driver' Johnny Kries Demo Tape Rip CD-R (Late Summer 2002): My Way Your Way same as above Shadow Of Your Love same as above Wreckless same as above Rick Mars 8-Track Versions CD (July 2003): My Way Your Way same as above Shadow Of Your Love same as above Wreckless same as above Rocker 3:33 Killing Time 3:25 Killing Time #2 1:09 That Something (with Axl) 5:26 Cold Hard Cash 4:22 dr_loaded [Metal-Sludge mp3s] (January 2006): Killing Time (Live ??/??/??) 4:10 - unknown date & location Rehearsal Tape (My Way, Your Way & Cold Hard Cash) 16:48 - unknown date ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chinese Democracy/New-GNR (1999-2007): Oh My God End Of Days OST [/color] Oh My God [Edit] 1:32 - Geffen 'End Of Days' OST Sampler Sweet Child O Mine '99 Big Daddy end credits [/color] Better (Harley Davidson 'Black Sheep' Advert) 1.00 - Broadcast Oct. 20th 2006 Madagascar 5.41 - Leak Mar. 29th 2007 Chinese Democracy 4.48 - Leak May 5th 2007 The Blues 4.48 - Leak May 5th 2007 I.R.S (2007) 4.36 - Leak May 5th 2007 TWAT (2007) 6.46 - Leak May 6th 2007 Better (2007) 4.58 - Leak June 4th 2007 I.R.S. (Leak April 1st 2005) 0.32 I.R.S. (Leak April 8th 2005) 0.43 I.R.S. (Leak April 9th 2005) 0.54 I.R.S. (Leak April 10th 2005) 3.39 I.R.S. 4.16 - Leak Feb. 15th 2006 I.R.S. (Instrumental) 4.14 - Leak Mar. 10th 2006 I.R.S. (Version 2) 4.07 - Leak May 27th 2006 Better 4.57 - Leak Feb. 22nd 2006 Better (Instrumental) 5.01 - Leak Mar. 8th 2006 Catcher In The Rye 5.57 - Leak Feb. 28th 2006 TWAT 6.01 - Leak Feb. 17th 2006 TWAT (Instrumental)5.58 - Leak Mar. 14th 2006 TWAT (Version 2) 6.43 - Leak Feb. 17th 2006 TWAT (Version 2 - Instrumental) 6.42 - Leak Mar. 14th 2006 TWAT (Version 3) 5.01 - Leak May 27th 2006 Madagascar (Live) (first performed Rock In Rio III, Rio De Janiero Brazil 1/15/2001) Chinese Democracy (Live) (first performed House Of Blues, Las Vegas NV 01/01/2001) Rhiad & The Bedouins (Live) (first performed House Of Blues, Las Vegas NV 01/01/2001) The Blues (Live) (first performed House Of Blues, Las Vegas NV 01/01/2001) Silk Worms (Live) (first performed House Of Blues, Las Vegas NV 01/01/2001) Boston Promo [Version 1] (1.05) Boston Promo [Version 2] (0.30) Promos include short studio cuts of Chinese Democracy, Madagascar & The Blues 'End Of Days' Movie Trailer (0.30) 'End Of Days' Soundtrack Promo (0.29) Promos included early pre-release previews of Oh My God ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live From The Jungle EP: It's So Easy (Live) [Sweet Child O' Mine 12"/Welcome To The Jungle 12" B-Side] Shadow Of Your Love (Live*) [It's So Easy 12" B-Side] Move To The City (Live*) [lies] Knockin On Heaven's Door (Live) [Welcome To The Jungle 12"/Nightrain 12"/Yesterdays B-Side] Whole Lotta Rosie (Live) [Sweet Child O' Mine 12"/Welcome To The Jungle 12" B-Side] Sweet Child 'O Mine (LP Version) [Appetite For Destruction ] Live songs recorded at The Marquee in London June 28th 1987, released as EP in Japan, used a B-Sides in US (*Shadow Of Your Love and Move To The City are studio recorded tracks with crowd overdubs)[/color] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Non LP Tracks (B-Sides/Compilations/Promos): Knockin' On Heaven's Door [Remix] (Days Of Thunder OST) 1990 pre-UYI release Civil War [Nobody's Child Mix] (Romanian Angel Appeal Charity Album) 1990 pre-UYI release Sympathy For The Devil (Interview With A Vampire OST) Ain't Goin' Down [GNR Pinball - 1994] unreleased song ripped from pinball machine Welcome To The Jungle [GNR Pinball - 1994] digitized version ripped from pinball machine Shadow Of Your Love Live And Let Die B-Side, final studio version Knockin' On Heaven's Door [live] recorded at Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert Live And Let Die [live] Live And Let Die B-Side, recorded in London 8/31/1991 Interview with W. Axl Rose (May 19th, 1989) 7:48 - Patience 12" B-Side Interview with Slash (March 15th, 1993) 7:21 - The "Civil War" EP Yesterdays [live In Las Vegas] Yesterdays B-Side, recorded 1/25/1992 Don't Cry [Demo] Don't Cry EP, demo version from 1986 You're Crazy [Acoustic Version] Welcome To The Jungle B-Side, demo/alt. take from version on Lies Interview with Izzy And Slash (Appetite For Destruction 7" Flexi Promo) 5:00 Holiday Greetings From Geffen Records (Axl & Slash) 0:22 Interview with Slash (March 15th 1993) 26:10 Coma (Live Era '87-'93) available from KNAC.com, and the vinyl/Japanese editions of Live Era It's So Easy [Censored Version] UK 7" DJ Promo, alternate vocal take with diff. lyrics Mr. Brownstone [Alt. Guitar Mix] UK 7" DJ Promo, mixed by Alan Niven and Michael Lardie Paradise City [Edit Version] UK 7" DJ Promo Patience [Edit Version] UK 7" DJ Promo Welcome To The Jungle [Radio Edit] UK 7" DJ Promo Welcome To The Jungle (All Dayparts Radio Edit) 4:11 - Japan 3" CD Welcome To The Jungle (CHR Edit) 3:41 - Japan 3" CD Sweet Child O' Mine [Edit/Remix] 3:57 - A-Side, all UK 7" single releases Sweet Child O' Mine (Japanese Edit) 4:25 - Japanese 7" Promo Sweet Child O' Mine (Edit/Remix -Version 2) 4:53 - USA 5" CD Promo (also used for music video) Sweet Child O' Mine (All Dayparts Remix) 4:18 - USA 5" CD Promo Since I Don't Have You (Radio Edit) 4:18 -A-Side all UK 5" CD releases (also used for music video) Ain't It Fun (Radio Version) 5:05 - UK & USA 5" CD Promos/Greatest Hits Sympathy For The Devil (Radio Edit) 4:03 - UK 5" CD Promo Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Mr. Redman on June 04, 2009, 02:10:15 AM Welcome back Dash X! Been a few years since I've last saw you post.
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: suicide on June 04, 2009, 05:55:51 AM That's a really interesting list!!! Can someone please share the LLAS-recordings without the crowd overdubs?
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Progress on June 04, 2009, 12:20:37 PM Does anyone have Ain't Goin' Down and Welcome from the pinball rip?
I would love to hear that again! Remember playing that machine when I was about 15 years old..Aaah...the memories :P Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: don_vercetti on June 05, 2009, 06:32:15 PM That's a really interesting list!!! Can someone please share the LLAS-recordings without the crowd overdubs? here you go. If memory serves, it's a bootleg released by Alan Niven. Jumpin' Ax Flash, it is called, and as well as the LLAS stuff, it has really good studio covers of Jumpin Jack Flash and Heartbreak Hotel, as well as You're Crazy, Shadow of your Love and Welcome To The Jungle. No Nice Boys though. Sorry. http://rapidshare.com/files/241277957/Jumpin__Ax_Flash.rar Edit; Does anyone want any other demos uploaded? I can put up Rumbo Tapes, The Hell Revisited and GnR Ruffs if anyone likes, and a fair bit of other stuff as well. Only im MP3 format though. On GnR ruffs, the instrumental version of Estranged is awesome, and the 14 Years has an alternate outro that is amazing, and should have been on the album. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Dash_X on June 06, 2009, 02:51:05 PM Welcome back Dash X! Been a few years since I've last saw you post. Thanks, i still float about, but very rarely post. Does anyone have Ain't Goin' Down and Welcome from the pinball rip? I would love to hear that again! Remember playing that machine when I was about 15 years old..Aaah...the memories :P here you go: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=56889.0 Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: suicide on June 06, 2009, 03:29:42 PM Thanks alot don_vercetti and Dash_X !!!
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Progress on June 08, 2009, 08:48:09 AM thanks alot for the pinball rip :)
Appreciate it! ;D Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Limulus on April 22, 2011, 11:50:31 PM diggin' out this topic again!
unlike other fan communities the so called "gnr community" has never combined a proper list with the best quality versions of these demos/versions/unreleased songs. having these songs circulating for about 20 years.....actually we pretty much sucked in this and should work on that! proper name listing would be the first issue IMO. it doesnt help only reading "version 1", "version 2".....how can you know which version this is? at least there must be some small additional other info for being able to quickcheck what version we're speaking about. for example: You're Crazy - Demo (Version 1, "let me explain" Axl talking in the beginning) You're Crazy - Demo (Version 2, with some deep Axl voice in the end) the song lenght doesnt help much at all as there are many bootlegs flying around with unknown analog transfers with speed issues. the exact lenght only should be given out after we've found and proper edited the final version (IMO). question 1 about the list above: It's So Easy [Censored Version] UK 7" DJ Promo, alternate vocal take with diff. lyrics ^^is this one for real at all? i've never heard an "its so easy" demo or an alternate vocal take. question 2: anyone with proper knowledge (and the will to spend some time for this project) up for this? serious replies only please....not the usual "where can i d/l this or that song?" Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: rokket30 on April 26, 2011, 10:47:57 AM how many different demo versions of "Don't Cry" are there?
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: src on April 26, 2011, 01:52:26 PM how many different demo versions of "Don't Cry" are there? Almost 100% certainly just 2: 1) Don't Cry b-side version (4:40) recorded 1985/1986. 2) Sound City Studios version (5:10) recorded June 4 or 5, 1986. That one can be found on bootleg Sessions. edit: Seems there's actually a third one from the bootleg Metals Petals. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: rokket30 on April 26, 2011, 04:11:12 PM how many different demo versions of "Don't Cry" are there? Almost 100% certainly just 2: 1) Don't Cry b-side version (4:40) recorded 1985/1986. 2) Sound City Studios version (5:10) recorded June 4 or 5, 1986. That one can be found on bootleg Sessions. I have these demo versions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--pW_mAVEDo (from Rumbo Tapes bootleg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyd_1sfJmk (from November Rain Demos bootleg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1wA95UWoxg (from Don't Cry Single 1991 - final version of the first one) ..and I have another different version, but I could not find it on youtube. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: src on April 26, 2011, 04:19:51 PM I have these demo versions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--pW_mAVEDo (from Rumbo Tapes bootleg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyd_1sfJmk (from November Rain Demos bootleg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1wA95UWoxg (from Don't Cry Single 1991 - final version of the first one) ..and I have another different version, but I could not find it on youtube. First video = same version as on third video, just with a better source and possibly also with edits. If you have another different version, it's live, an edit or something else. Feel free to upload it on www.sendspace.com so it can be verified what it is. Demos we have multiple versions of: Jungle 3 Rocket Queen 2 You're Crazy 2 Anything Goes 2 Move To The City 3 Nice Boys 2 Reckless Life 2 Mama Kin 2 Shadow of your love 2 JJF 3 Heartbreak Hotel 2 Don't Cry 3 Back Off Bitch 2 November Rain 2 Ain't Goin' Down 2 (1986 and 1991) Edit: See topic above. Numbers changed in accordance with that. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: Limulus on December 12, 2011, 05:13:01 AM Nightrain = 2 versions aswell
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: gnr85 on December 12, 2011, 05:03:22 PM So is there a place were these are available? besides Rumbo?
Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: _shaggy_ on July 11, 2012, 10:05:22 AM So with my hardrive dying and having to d/l a load of stuff I've been sorting through all the demos and whatnot that are out there. I found this thread and it's been a real help so far. Ages ago I bought a bunch of boots off ebay and I ripped all those yesterday, sorting through the stuff to keep and the stuff to ditch. So basically, this post is for people that are new to the game and are wondering which of the various bootlegs to d/l in order to get all the demos. Now most of you will probably know all this, so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff that's been posted before - this is just stuff I've found which I think'll help other fans.
I own copies of the following: the Sessions 2cd boot, No Refrain, Unwanted Illusions (Trashed Illusions), Practice for Destruction and two different versions of November Rain. *Practice For Destruction isn't needed unless you can't get your hands on a copy of the 'Live From The Jungle EP' or find a d/l of it. The last 3 live tracks on this boot (It's So Easy, Knockin' On Heaven's Door and Whole Lotta Rosie) can be found on the aforementioned EP. Everything else on the boot can be found elsewhere. *Unwanted Illusions/Trashed Illusions (same boot, different covers) isn't really needed as the material is available on other boots. In my opinion, the only tracks worth having on this cd are 'Axl's Blues', which is basically the band jamming while Axl tells a story about a barfight, and the performance of Yesterdays in a bar, entitled 'Scrap Bar Daze'. *Welcome To The Sessions isn't needed unless you want to source the songs from a vinyl rip. After listening to 'No Refrain', 'November Rain' and the 2cd 'Sessions', it's my opinion that you really only need the 2cd 'Sessions' boot, as all the material on both 'No Refrain' and 'November Rain' can be found on the 'Sessions' discs. The material on 'No Refrain' is noticeably louder than on the 'Sessions' disc, but I still prefer the 'Sessions' boot for the overall sound. Out of the two versions of the 'November Rain' boot (one with a grey cover, the other a picture of Slash and Izzy) one is worse than the other in terms of quality. I can't remember which one, but it's not really needed anyway if you get the 'Sessions' boot. On to 'The Hell Revisited'. A lot of the material is available elsewhere, so these are the only songs which I took from this boot: The 4 Hollywood Rose tracks at the beginning, 'Out Ta Get Me', 'Anything Goes (alt. lyrics)' (which I believe is Hollywood Rose as well), both 'Rocket Queen's, 'Move To The City (acoustic)' and both 'Instrumental Demo's. The acoustic MTTC sounds better on this boot than it does on the 'Rumbo Tapes'. Also, the track 'Rocket Queen (6:13)' is the same one found on the 'Sessions' except for an extra bit of guitar at the beginning. The acoustic 'November Rain' on 'The Hell Revisited' has an extra couple of seconds where you can hear someone say 'Go/Let's Go' if you're desperate to hear everything. The track 'Crash Diet' is available in two versions. Basically, one has an extra guitar intro which the other doesn't. To me, they sound the same, so just stick with the long version which is available on the 'Rumbo Tapes' and you've got both. So.... here's what you need (in my opinion) - The songs from 'The Hell Revisited' mentioned above, these songs from the 2cd 'Sessions' boot: CD1 9. Mama Kin 10. Heartbreak Hotel 11. Ain't Goin' Down 12. Jumpin' Jack Flash 13. Jumpin' Jack Flash 15. November Rain CD 2 2. Night Train 3. My Michelle 4. You're Crazy 5. Paradise City 6. Move To The City 7. November Rain 9. Reckless Life 10. Think About You 11. Welcome To The Jungle 12. Don't Cry 13. Nice Boys 14. Back Off Bitch 15. Anything Goes These songs from the 'Rumbo Tapes': 1. The Garden 3. Yesterdays 4. Sentimental Movie 5. Bad Obsession 6. Crash Diet 8. Bring It Back Home 9. Back Off Bitch 12. Too Much Too Soon 13. Just Another Sunday 14. Welcome To The Jungle the 'Cornshucker' cd from Niven and the 'Jumpin' Ax Flash' cd which is also from Alan Niven. Also worth having is the 'Under My Heal' cd which is again, sourced from Alan Niven. I haven't compared the version of 'Mr Brownstone' on this cd with the one on Appetite but for curiosity's sake it's worth having. Also worth having is 'Salt Of The Earth' which Axl and Izzy played with the Rolling Stones, and 'Under My Wheels', which is the studio version that also appeared on the soundtrack to 'The Decline Of Western Civilization Part 2: The Metal Years'. You can find the song on itunes now, albeit with Gene Simmon's voice present before the song starts, so if you're not a fan of Gene, I suggest you stick with the version on the 'Under My Heal' cd. Other songs that are needed from the Metal Petals compilation: - Nightrain [Alt. Intro] - Sweet Child O' Mine - Mr. Brownstone I haven't got the version of 'Nice Boys' which appears on the 'American '80s Hair Metal' compilation (listed as 'Re-Recorded' and attributed to Axl Rose, Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Slash & Steven Adler :hihi:) but it sounds interesting enough to buy. Whew! I haven't got around to sorting through the UYI stuff yet but once I have, I'll post what I found. Also, I hope to get some sort of identification sorted for each version of the demos, like the one which starts with Axl saying 'Ready' and stuff like that. Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: _shaggy_ on July 12, 2012, 01:51:05 PM Right, as for the UYI era demos you need the following:
'Axl's Advance Copy': 01. Ain't Going Down 02. Get In The Ring 03. Dust N' Bones 04. Bad Obsession 05. Back Off Bitch 06. Double Talkin' Jive 07. November Rain 08. The Garden 09. Garden Of Eden 10. Don't Damn Me 11. Bad Apples 12. Dead Horse 13. Coma 14. Civil War The rehearsals from 'Mates Rehearsals' - I think there are only 5 tracks from this session but I've seen two versions of 'Civil War' included in some zip files (1 has vocals from Axl so it can't be from that session surely?) and the two tapes from Alan Niven, the (mainly) instrumental 'GNR Ruffs w/ New Slash GTR's 09/21/90' and the 'Normal & Q-Sound Mixes 01/18/91' tape. Now, someone seems to have bunged all the tracks from 'Axl's Advance Copy' and 'Mates Rehearsals' onto one compilation with two takes of 'Civil War' and called it 'Use Your Illusion Outtakes'. *Civil War (Studio Take #1) 7:13 - backing track w/ Axl's vocals, but no sound effects or overdubs *Civil War (Instrumental) 7:17 - instrumental backing track used on vocal takes ^Where did these two takes of 'Civil War' come from? and what about this one > *Civil War (Studio Take #2) 1:56 - Axl vocal take, backing track cuts out at 1:45? Title: Re: GNR List Of Demos 1986-1991 Post by: _shaggy_ on July 12, 2012, 01:54:56 PM I have everything else in FLAC but I haven't been able to find these:
*Civil War (Studio Take #1) 7:13 - backing track w/ Axl's vocals, but no sound effects or overdubs *Civil War (Studio Take #2) 1:56 - Axl vocal take, backing track cuts out at 1:45 *Civil War (Instrumental) 7:17 - instrumental backing track used on vocal takes from the Metal Petals compilation: *Nightrain [Alt. Intro] *Sweet Child O' Mine *Mr. Brownstone I'd really appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to upload these for me ;D |