Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Axl Rose Insists Original Guns N' Roses Lineup Is Dead and Buried

Since releasing the long-awaited Guns N' Roses album 'Chinese Democracy' this past November, Axl Rose has said very little about it, taking to message boards and e-mails for the few comments he has made. But if there's one person who could get him to break his silence it's Del James, Rose's longtime friend, road manager and the man whose short story, 'Without You,' inspired the epic clip for 'November Rain.'

James, a music journalist who has covered G N' R for years, dating back to his days at metal mag Rip, as well as in several Rolling Stone articles, spoke with Rose and is sharing the results of that one-on-one exclusively with Spinner. Yes, here he is, W. Axl Rose, letting loose on Slash, answering whether he was trying to make the best album ever and waxing philosophically on when the original G N' R lineup really died.

Del James: As reported, were you, either in your mind or otherwise, trying to create the "best album ever made"?

Axl Rose: No. That's f---ing ridiculous and more negative media nonsense. We were all just trying to do our best for the fans and ourselves.

At any point did you feel or say either you or the band had to make a "masterpiece"?

Of course not -- more unaccountable nonsense. Obviously, media, elements of the public, fans and our detractors had all kinds of things going on such as high hopes, expectations, pressure, naysayers, etc. I don't think anyone would mind discovering a diamond mine and I don't think anyone in any competitive field would get very far if they didn't have dreams, aspirations or simply hope to do well. That said, these types of comments are more from our detractors, pulled out of their ass if not thin air.

Do you feel that your alleged sense of perfectionism has delayed the release of the album?

No. Guns in any lineup wasn't going to release anything all that great any sooner. And no matter how any of us tried, that didn't happen, and often while any number of us were pushing to try and do so with whatever we had going at the time. In regard to so-called perfectionism, I feel that has a lot to do with your goals or requirements with whatever one's doing or creating. Different levels may be required for different objectives. If you're making brakes for a vehicle, what's required? It's all relative, right? You try to make the best calls you can at any given moment and go from there. Generally, when this term is used by others in regard to me or how I work, it's said in a negative way or as an excuse for their shortcomings -- and again by my detractors. Whether they are open about such or not, some people love putting others in a negative light; helps them feel better about themselves. Too many ears and too many stupid comments have proven that.

Did you break up the old Guns?

It is my belief that the commitment to end old Guns came long before the band started in the heart and soul of one man. After that, it became more visible sometime before/during [the 'Use Your Illusion' albums], when the others opted for personal reasons to change our approach, styles and methods of working together. At the time, I unwittingly chose as a means of what I felt was both my own and Guns' survival to adapt, and threw myself into whatever I could get out of that to support and promote our efforts.

The group shot of the band in front of the piece 'Dead' was not a coincidence but not something I felt could be talked about openly, and something I hoped would change. I couldn't reach Izzy [Stradlin] and couldn't manage or curtail Slash and his personal objectives to take over Guns anymore than I did at the time, and I'm lucky to have survived, got what we did out of it and some still enjoyed the results. But for all intents and purposes, the 'Appetite [for Destruction]' lineup and approach was already dead, and with the addition of Matt [Sorum], the end of the then-lineup and what Guns was really about was only a matter of time. Only heartfelt choices by the others could or would change that. Unfortunately, nothing did.

I'm generally blamed for the time it took to release 'Illusions,' but again the reality of my fault would be in not finding a way to manage Slash complete with his addictions and bring both him and Izzy together either similar to 'Appetite' or in some other progression more conducive to Guns than how 'Illusions' was accomplished. Unfortunately, that never truly happened, and both Guns and the public suffered for it. I'll take the responsibility in the sense that had I known how to achieve those goals we would have made what I feel would've been a more effective and powerful album at the time.

See? There's the catch, right? All this time, most thought I changed the direction with 'Illusions.' A lot of nonsense theories, speculation and complete nonrealities put together by others, based on Slash and others' crap and off one interview taken out of context I did with Kurt Loder where I said I hated 'Appetite.' That sentence has been used and twisted in every conceivable way since to vilify me and purports to prove my guilt and responsibility, when I wasn't speaking to the music itself but the overwhelming and at that time seemingly drowning success of our record.

My statement was in specific response to the feelings I had listening to DJs at the L.A. hard rock station KNAC at the time complaining about having to play the entire record for the umpteenth time for fans. I simply wanted to make another record and have it be as good or better. If you don't think I would've liked to have five 'Appetites' and been living like the Stones at the time, you're high. With that, any other avenue I hoped to pursue musically would more than likely been available as well. This was something I could never get through to the others with. Personal need to dominate in Guns was very important to them. Izzy has to be in charge or he's not comfortable, same with Slash. Duff [McKagan] tries convincing himself he's equal partners with Slash. Each to their own.

Why didn't you write 'Appetite'-style songs yourself then?

Part of what destroyed Guns was the battle between those guitars that works so well for 'Appetite.' I have no concept how to duplicate that with either the old guys or anyone else. I liked it then but can't say I truly understood their nature as I feel I do now. Make no mistake: That was a war and the efforts of one man to "successfully" remove another in his path between him and I. Neither player wants to deal with each other in those ways again. Those battles have already been fought, both sides went their prospective ways. Regardless of if they were to work together or not, the true dynamics of back then aren't something Izzy has an interest in or would allow himself to actually be in to such a degree other than for appearances, if that. Also, anything I had written I felt was in similar directions then, during and after the 'Illusions' tour was more than rejected by both Slash and Duff at a time, which greatly helped destroy whatever confidence I may have had at the time.

Why so many guitars on 'Chinese Democracy'?

Why not?

Seriously, past Guns records have only two. Why did you feel the need for more on this endeavor?

I understand it's for whatever reason a bit of a challenge for most people to feel comfortable in their minds with any band having more than two guitarists, but technically, as far as our recording goes, we're a bit more alike with the older recordings than one might think. On the older records, though, it's very distinct that there are generally two guitar parts -- each part is actually performed and recorded twice, giving a fuller sound, so in effect you have four guitars. Leads and fills are another pass, and often songs were originally written and demos were done with other guitarists as well.

On 'Chinese,' instead of having the same player double his part, we chose to add another voice and either each player's own take on the part or their take of another's, then there's leads and fills which vary from one person or a few on a track. Also on this record, though, you may have one player playing more than one part in a section; they generally tend to be two distinct parts and not overdubs or harmonizing with their own leads or fills. No way is better than another; it's just whatever works for what you're trying to do, what you personally want or for whatever reason you feel you either need, choose or like.

For this record, I wanted a blend of different-style sounds and approaches; some at least a bit unique to the individual players and their takes on these songs. I feel the different personalities and techniques give the material its own sense of originality. Live, I prefer the more solid approach of the three guitars now, especially as the performances with the rhythm are more energetic, consistent and reliable. It was fun having Izzy on board a bit adding yet another voice to the mix and seemed to work better for the songs this way, as opposed to having him by himself.

Continue reading here:

http://www.spinner.com/2009/02/27/axl-rose-insists-original-guns-n-roses-lineup-is-dead-and-burie/

Thanks for posting! :D


/jarmo

Woau!!
Axl really is speaking....

Awesome, ggreat stuff!

No news on a new album or tour yet though  :'(

Wow that was......interesting.....
Bent Brother 2night on Long Island, anyone going?

Now this was interesting read!

Cool interview... Cleared up a bit around the Robin situation also... Brain also working on guns stuff  :D

Some more fascinating stuff there.  Is this issue out now?  Next week?  Will he be/is he on the cover?  Or is this just for the web?

I wouldn't even hate to see 2 drum sets on stage. :P

Thanks funky I'm reading it now.

fuck yes.  that's why i love axl.  he cuts straight through the bullshit and lays it right out there...  slash is a cancer.  he is a media whore.  he tried to take over guns n' roses.  and worst of all, he hasn't made any good music.

i'm also glad axl decided to speak truthfully about robert john too.  i think a lot of fans were wondering what the situation was there.  what a shame that he gave up gnr to be a junkie loser meth addict.  i wish axl could work with people who truly appreciated what a gift it is to be part of the gnr family, instead of all these junkies and losers of the past.

It's so awesome Axl is opening up. It's ashame that the press basically placed all the blame on him not knowing the facts. I'm sure we all have been a part of something that was percieved great, but behind the scenes we couldn't stand being there.

I would love to hear more new material, but Axl's right, if you don't like CD then you won't like where they take it from there. If you love CD and know the current players, I think you could really love the material, and in its own way is just as good as anything from the past..

If people can stop expecting AFD, and appreciate the guitar playing and effort put into CD, then they will like it.

Heres to hopefully touring this year  :beer:

"If you don't think I would've liked to have five 'Appetites' and been living like the Stones at the time, you're high."

One word: Awesome!

AA.

I know I'm going to get jumped on for this but here goes.  To me, this was another interesting read that did absolutely nothing to promote Chinese Democracy.  More "Slash is a cancer" crap that has nothing to do with the new album. This time he even went so far as to suggest that Slash wasn't a good guitar player, even on Appetite.

For example, it would have been cool to hear about how a song like Better was constructed.  Instead, we get a paragraph about how Robert John is a drug addict.  Am I the only one who didn't really care what Robert John was up to these days?

But in Axl's own words, this is GNR and not Burger King.  You can't always get what you want.

Thanks, FunkyMonkey.

Even though 99% of whatever Axl is talking about went waaaay over my head.  :-[

My firewall at the office won't allow me to access the link.

Can someone copy and paste the entire article here?

Admin posted it here:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=56089.0

I love this quote
"In a nutshell, personally I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided -- and the less anyone heard of him or his supporters, the better."

Awesome.  Thank you.

same here man! i'll save that one ;D

but I do hate the man, i mean come one, he can't tell me there's probably meaner and darker things coming, and that there's an awesome solo, he should have just said nothing  ;) :rofl:

who's pod?

also laughing about his comment on how much baz think he has heard :hihi:

coolio 'bout brain too

My guess is Chris Vrenna....




/jarmo

I don't think he was saying Slash wasn't a good guitar player, just that he prefers guitarists that challenge themselves.  I get your point about the Slash bashing vs. talking about CD.  But maybe he feels he needs to clear the air first.  Get all that stuff off his chest and then he'll talk about the music.  We'll see.  He talked about the music in the online forums.  These are a little more condensed and you know the media cares more about the relationship with Slash then how they came up with "Better", unfortunately.

Amen.........more bitter rhetoric.......I like Axl, he's my favourite singer, but bloody hell lets use the brain already. Bashing individuals (regardless if you believe they deserve it), isn't going to win over the public or promote your new album, it just backs up mass opinion that he's a bitter, twisted, has been. (which pains me to say).

Also, via axl's statements recently, i think we know why the process of writing and recording an album took as long as it did. I think he needs to take a step back in regard to the legalities, politics, and business part of guns n roses, he seems to get so immersed in it that he has no time for anything else, and ultimately gets massively frustrated.

I think its great that an artist want to be invovled in every facet of what goes on, but there has to be a point where he lets "his people" do their job (because it sounds like they sit around doing nothing while axl does all the running), and he ends up re-running the same convoluted process over and over wondering why!?


i agree, what the fuck was all that pish about robert john, and how is it relevant or even remotely interesting to anybody, besides Axls lawyer and accountant! talking in riddles to try and sound intelligent, and avoid litigation most of the time i think. Which again highlights his obsession with the law.

i will be bashed all over for this, and like axl, "i dont care". GNR are my favourite band, past and present, i like both Axl and Slash in equal measure as they are both tremondous singer AND guitarists respectively. i just wish axl would foucs on the music, the promotion and being a rock star, opposed to being a suit.

Del is such a great writer. This article is epic.I will always be happy that I met him in front of the JOINT in Las Vegas. I'll never forget meeting this really nice lady IN LA. Her name was Avery and she called herself the Malibu psychic. I asked her if she knew Axl , and she said that Axl was a very nice man and that the media had totally misrepresented him. I also met Robert John at my first GNR concert in Las Vegas. He was so mean to me that I almost burst into tears. The good thing is that when I saw him the next day I ran the other way and that is how I ended up meeting Buckethead. Is this article going to be published in ROLLING STONE?

good to hear from axl again, some interesting things were said, maybe alittle harsh on slash  :no:

So predictable.

I knew this was gonna happen once Axl decided to speak out.

For years we've heard the other side of the argument. Axl kept quiet.

Now when he comments on it, he's bitter?  ::)

I guess Slash has been openly bitter since 1996 then? That's how long he's been talking about Axl and GN'R for!






/jarmo

gotta love the sarcasm

After reading what he said again, I see what you're saying about his guitar playing.  But.....the media?  When the tour manager conducts your interview we're not talking about hardcore journalism here.  These questions were surely pre-arranged.  He could have talked about anything he wanted.

This is not sarcastic in any way.I am a true blue hardcore diehard AXLITE!

Yeah, I wasn't talking about the journalist asking the questions, after all I'm sure Del James could've asked any question Axl wanted him to.  I was more referring to the radio stations and other media that will pick up on this interview.  If 80% of the interview was about CD and just 20% was about the old band, guess what they'd report on?  I'll give you a hint, it wouldn't be CD.

okay, I'll bite .... who's Chris Vrenna?

so i assume this the only part of my post you disagree with?

Ok, Slash has said things about the break up of GnR, and on most occasions his sentiments or comments have been backed up by those who where there at the time who have no love for slash anymore either..............so everyone else is wrong?

Lets get one thing straight, i like my rock stars egotistical, and thats what axl is, i wouldn't have it any other way.

And, yes, the questions would be pre-arranged.

I don't know. I think it's more a matter of trusting the person interviewing you.

Instead of sitting down with somebody who you don't know at all and don't know what will happen with the interview once it's done (being misquoted, things twisted around etc.), Del has a history with Axl.

So it's possible the interview actually turns out better when you know you can trust the interviewer.




Drummer, programmer...

Lately he's been working with Marilyn Manson.






/jarmo

But they still won't report on CD.  The headlines will be "Axl calls Slash a cancer."  

exactly, so why even mention him. he's not in Gnr anymore!

I can see what you're saying.  I'll give Del credit.  He did dig a little deeper when Axl seemed reluctant to elaborate on certain things.  Having more than 2 guitars for example.

That's true.

Doesn't that prove the fact that Axl doesn't play the same game everybody else does?

Which is what makes him so great.


On the other hand, those headlines should stop all the morons in the media writing headlines about a GN'R reunion based on quotes such as "never say never" (or whatever he said) from Duff etc.

So, you see, things aren't always that simple...

If you can get the reunion bullshit to disappear, then you can get down to the real thing and focus on just the present.





/jarmo

You know what they say, any press is good press.

To be fair, he has said his piece on Slash numerous times now.  It's annoying when Slash talks shit about Axl, but it's just as annoying that whenever you read anything from Axl nowadays, he's reiterating everything he said the last time.  The first couple of times I can understand and was actually defending his right to say it from people because there were years of pent-up feelings that he needed to get out.  But he got it out now, and to repeat himself over and over again, isn't that one of the things Axl criticised Slash for doing in the Billboard interview?

Personally, I'm interested in what the band is doing now, the new members, the new music, the new tours.  I'd like to read an interview with Axl with more information about that and not just complaining about Slash/management/record label, etc.  In short, promoting what he's doing now should take priority over prolonging a feud with someone he hasn't seen for 13 years.

Good point.  I remember a few weeks after CD was released people were predicting a reunion was on the horizon.  I couldn't believe people were actually buying into that but then the media actually bought into it.  Maybe this will help squash those rumors once and for all.

that was a head scratcher for sure

I just wish he'd gotten the reunion bullshit to disappear long before CD came out.  Then we could be focusing on the present now.  I think the new album is great, people should hear it, and just hate to see it get overshadowed by all this old lineup soap opera shit.

Again, I see where you're coming from and I too would love to hear more about the music and less about Slash.  But you and I are in the minority.  The vast majority would much rather hear about the Slash/Axl relationship and Axl certainly has every right to get his side of the story out there until he feels vindicated.  It's just like when people complain about the setlists at shows they don't attend.  Just because YOU want to hear "Dead Horse" doesn't mean the 10,000 other people at the show do.

Fine ! I don't care about Slash either...Now that the cancer is removed, that nobody gives a damn about the old line-up anymore, could we focus on Chinese Democracy and the ACTUAL BAND ? I mean, seriously ? Last time, Axl said that Chinese Democracy isn't a solo project ( which I agree with ) and now he comes with that kind of answers ?




 ???

But Del did ask those questions and Axl did answer them.

Axl is THE man. Definitely

I hope this is the last Interview that Axl focuses on the old era. This "interview", along with his recent comments, have given a clear indication to all that are concerned on where he stands with Slash and the old lineup.

Patiently waiting for the new era of gnr to begin

I guess it hasn't been decided if both Frank and Brain will be on the same tour.

If they do, they'll probably do one leg/week/night each?

I would think, though obviously don't know for sure, once the band gets out on the road the focus will be on the present.  At this moment there's no official tour news for the band so Axl seems to be clearing the air in the meantime.  Nothing wrong with that.  Slash has had his say for years.  I know some people would've liked Axl to stay silent about the matters, but it's well within his rights.

And it would be awsome with two drumkits on stage!

But i guess thats against "rock n roll rules"

I think it would be awsome..

I understand Axl saying whats on his mind about Slash.   its like Jarmo said, the reunion bullshit needs to STOP seriously.

You go on mygnr and its been overrun by this small but very loud group of posters who hijack every single discussion to talk about fairy-tale reunions and make baseless unfair attacks on current members of Guns N' Roses.    Its not only allowed, but condoned by the moderators.    No respect for the present day GnR whatsoever.

its frustrating as a GnR fan to see that bullshit, so I can imagine Axl is even more tired of it.

I too am very much looking forward to putting the past behind us.  

Theres a small group of Slash fans who want to ruin everything for those of us who still care for GnR without Slash.   Bitter fucks, and cancer is a good word for it.

Axl has every right to say what he wants. He chose to hold off over the years so hes just letting it all out now. I personally think he missed the boat on that(in terms of public perception) but he still has the right.

I just want to focus on the new era. But his comments in this interview are a little troubling in regards to that.

I am beginning to think twice about the people who Axl has surrounded himself with over the years.

until they go out there and do stuff people are going to talk about the past. People will always talk about the past. That is what happens when you keep the name... but if you are out there doing your own thing then you will give people something to talk about other than the past.

The "interview" overall was a head scratcher.

Two tours and an album?

Stop acting like the band hasn't done anything.   Your constant need to find something negative is annoying as fuck.

 My point was some gnR sites need to do a little better job of moderating their site.

Personally I think each individual GNR site owner should moderate it however they see fit.  That's what Jarmo does.

So no Nick Sterling?  Just kidding.  I wonder what would happen if GNR plays the rumored summer dates?  Robin will undoutebly still be with NIN, what if Bucket doesn't want to return?  Do they go with just Richard/Ron or do they try to find someone else?  I doubt Paul would want to tour, but he WAS a big part of the album.

Told u guys when Axl started doing interviews he would talk a bout the old band etc.


So much for the "No Comment" stuff right?

I must have missed the tours that supported Chin Dem. Amazing how they did two tours since November. I must be living under a rock


other than releasing an album what has the band done? In comparison to what 99% of the music industry does after releasing an album, gnr has done nada....

Im not going out of my way to find anything negative. I read what Axl had to say in this "interview" and for the first time after reading an Axl interview, I found myself scratching my head....

 Overall, I agree with you on that

But you have to realize that if Axl is going to focus on the old band then so will the fans. Especially the people who still havnt bought into the whole moving on thing. It comes with the territory. That is hy Axl should just say fuck it and promote the new stuff and be positive.

I think he meant the tours they did. Including the one you remember so fondly...




/jarmo

The tours they did were not for the album

But they kinda promoted the new band didn't they?

I mean, how else could you have fallen in love with Buckethead and GN'R?




/jarmo

of course, but he hasn't spoken about it for 12 years like some other might have done

I bet it'll take less 12 years for axl to stop talk about it

I think he deserves to tell his side of every story slash has made up ;)

Axl is only focusing on it because of the loud ass detractors who keep spreading reunion rumors and refusing to allow GnR fans to discuss their fav band on these forums without hijacking it to be about the old band.   My opinion at least.

If people would stop the reunion bullshit, this interview might have went differently.     This is what is needed to wake people up.

Axl is blunt, and he says he means.   People dont' have to like or agree with it, but at least he's genuine in his words.    Slash is more a media whore who maintains a fake public persona and lies his ass off for the sake of self-promotion and financial gain.

Absolutely but people would jump on the old dudes for answering a question asked to them as "Promoting themselves through talking about Axl etc"

I argued till I was blue in the face that it was ok to answer questions asked and u wait and see, Axl will do the same.

People said they should just say "No Comment"


I think he went a little far in his bashing.

to be fair,when you have guys like adler in the media who hype up reunions constantly and fake media whores like slash who says whatever he thinks will be popular opinion, things need to be addressed.

Believe me, I'm hoping the next Axl interview is a song-by-song disection of the album with his thoughts on each track where he doesnt' even have to mention the word slash.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

The tours were to get out there and promote themselves and play for the fans.   It wasn't that long ago.   And I think more is coming.

fair point. I have always said the 02 tour was just to get out of the studio and introduce the band to the public. But by no means was it the tour that would define the album or new gnr.

That tour comes after the release.

Look at the number of interviews and the time spent on talking about it... You might see the difference then.



So the Use Your Illusion tour legs before the release didn't count? Damn....  ;)





/jarmo

dude, you can't call slash a fake media whore

Axl answer what he wants, to what questions he get.

If he gets the question about Slash, and a reunion, he may want to give an answer that dont create speculations..
What if Axl had answerd "no comment" to a question about reunion.. then the speculations would be out there right away..

I think its nice to see that Axl says what he what he have on his heart...

so in reality Axl is doing what you say I and other always do?
focus on the negative.



Wake who up exactley?? Do you think people care? Imo, Axl missed that boat a long time ago. He still has the right to get his side out but in terms of changing peoples minds, he has no shot. Instead, hes going to come across as bitter etc.

Whos holding you back from talking about GNR? You make it seem like this board is like mygnr? If you dont like MYGNR then whey do you go their and let it effect your gnr spirit? You have a home right here where its totally opposite of my gnr.


  Whether he is or isnt how the hell would you know? Were you ever his friend or something?

Axl is telling his side of the story....just like Slash has told his. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Being that GNR didnt tour anytime before CD's release it didnt have to be brought up....

So now your going to compare the massive UYI tour with the 2002 and 06 "CD" tour? What planet do you live on?

Another thing.

"Why doesn't Axl do interviews? He needs to talk!  :crying: " is now "He shouldn't talk about that!  :crying: "




/jarmo

ok let me rephrase that

slash is a fraud and a media whore

Wow, great interview.

Strong words about Slash!  My interpretation is not that he's saying "Slash is a shit guitarist" but perhaps "Look at where Slash was in the late 80s with his playing on appetite and look at where he is now.  He's not challenging himself and not growing as a player".  

And as much as I do love some of Slash's work (a lot of it in fact), maybe he's right.

And he also points the same light on himself too, saying that he was in the same position.  It seems like a very easy trap to fall into.  Slash played for hours and hours and hours a day in his youth, working on his technique and his style.  Does he have the same commitment today?

wanna bet ! Slash is only in it for Slash himself.  It's really obvious, Axl's right ! Slash never challenged himself to play something diffrent.

better :)


I was saying that slash wasn't faking his mediawhoreness : ok:

i think he ment a REAL media whore, not a FAKE one..  :hihi:

^yes

 ;D

So how about the rest of that interview?

We can go on forever about Axl and Slash.

His comments about Izzy were strange as well.

But  Axls comments about new material was the low point of the interview for me. They contradict what he has said in the past numerous times and also what he said about the whole masterpiece angle.

That is why this is just another press release and not a real interview

Nice reading, I hope Del and Axl do a follow up about the music of CD and the working process of it.

So true! There is a quote from the stage version of MEDEA GOES TO JAIL by Tyler Perry where Medea talks about people in our lives being like trees; that some fall off like leaves in a season,while others are roots that keep us grounded in a storm. "When you get some roots, hold onto them," Medea says, "The rest of 'em? Just let them go. Let folks go."  For those of us in the GNR community Axl is our roots and the former members of GNR are leaves that fell away. We just need to let them go and SLASH needs to move on himself. Axl would have been a success with or without those guys, it may have been very different, but AXL would have made it. My own mother said, "none of those guys would have been anything without Axl."

if your going to make statements like that, or be allowed to make them here, then I hope your not going to be the same person complaining when people start challenging those statements

I'm all about people expressing their opinions. That is mine.  And Jarmo is free to delete my posts if he sees fit. He has done it before! :hihi:

agreed.
My point is that we can have a 100+ page bonanza on those few lines alone. But the people who have different opinions than you would be deamed as negative, bitter, etc

I would see them as passionate about their beliefs, however misguided. :hihi:

See all that worry for nothing ! Robin's intrested in touring ! believe me Robin will be there when the time comes.

Although I am obviously a Slash fan and the original Guns are my favourite band ever (I've long given up care or hope of a reunion), new Guns are my favorite  band and Axl is my idea of the ideal frontman. The thing I don't get is if you don't care for something and have a new album that you've spent much of your life just come out, why the hell dedicate all interviews towards people you hate rather than the music itself?! Only people dwelling on "Appetite" want to hear about the old line-up, the real fans want to hear about Chinese Democracy that is the most relevant and newsworthy thing to all of us.

Axl lately really has came across as bitter and untrusting (Don't even try to call me a hater, I stand up for him whenever someone slags him off) in all his recent interviews, fair enough just say "I really can't stand *whomever*" then just move on yet he chooses to continually bring up irrelevant things. Even as far as to bad mouth and praise Izzy in the same paragraph. According to Axl everyone was trying to take over the band and he had to "defend" himself which led him in charge, it just sounds like paranoia to me. A whole host of people have stated it was all just in Axl's mind and Alan Niven said "Slash could barely even run a bath let alone take over a band". I just hate how a large majority of people on GNR boards take Axl's words as if it were the bible and blame attatched to him is immediately false, remember there is 3 sides to every story not just 1!

because some people doesn't know that Freedom of speech is not liberty to lie.

and keep trying to convince others that the bridge wasn't burned.

I meant 'don't' :-[


yeah
as axl thinks they'll go with a combo of who's around and who's on the album for now and worry about that when they get ready to tour,
we better relax too.

It's not like the old band situation at all.

i don't think axl comes off as bitter. and he wasn't bad mouthing izzy. he was just stating facts.

Exactly and that was my point when the old members were asked questions about Axl. Its best to just give an answer and move on then say "no comment"

Maybe it's better to say "no comment" because your stories keep changing....




/jarmo

I think axl has given the best answers. decisive and honest

He's human.  

It seems that somehow a lot of us feel that celebrities are more than human and don't (or shouldn't) react to situations the same way that we do.  If you had a band and your buddy pissed all over it, you'd probably be a bit pissed off too right?

I certainly don't want to see 12 months of interviews of Axl bashing Slash, but I say let's let Axl throw in his 2 cents too.  He's been silent for so long on these issues when others haven't been.

Still though, if u are doing a 10 minute radio interview, and the guy asks a question, saying no comment will only fuel the thirst and u will then get bombarded with thousands of questions a different way.

when u say "No Comment" I for one interpret that negatively.


I have no problem with Axl giving his side of the story. I just hope that every interview isn't about this. He has made his point about the reunion, I think it takes away from the new stuff by constantly bashing the old.

I agree with Axl on the UYI drums but I think he is way off on the AFD drumming. I think that drumming really gives those songs life and an energy/attitude that most rock songs lack.



Also, what about the Chicago UYI sessions where everyone talked about how Axl never showed up for them? I'd like to see which side of that story is true.



Agree with Axl and I've been saying it for years how difficult it must have been working with a drugged up Slash and Izzy and getting everyone to work together.

I've always been in his corner on that one.


How about the Kurt Loder interview where he complimented Slash's playing and talked how no one can recreate old Guns but Slash or something like that. He then goes on to diss him and his playing which makes no sense at all.


If people think GNR would be what they are today without the 5 guys collectively, i think u are wrong.


If Axl was singing over LA Gun or Poison riffs, he wouldn't be the legend he is today.


This forum and even Axl in my opinion underestimate just how great the MUSIC on those albums are and how just not anybody can write that kind of stuff.

without the old guys, u wouldn't have anything on Appetite but Anything Goes, Back off Bitch and November Rain without the epic solos

Actually I've been wondering what the deal was w/Robert for a while so this was actually the most interesting part of the interview for me (along w/the Robin being interested in touring part).

 -= iZzBo =-

If you go back and look at some of the interviews Axl did in the 90s, you might notice how they're not exactly focusing on promoting the album at the time.

Were you disappointed when that 1992 Rolling Stone interview (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=56) was published and he didn't just talk about the Use Your Illusion albums?


I wouldn't be surprised if some are afraid of pissing off the journalists so they just play along and answer.

Axl on the other hand doesn't seem to be afraid of saying what he thinks, even if it pissed people off.




/jarmo

i'll be the first to say it then... you're a hater.  for so long, everyone has bitched that axl hasn't given interviews.  so he decides to finally give them, and you're mad because he isn't saying what you want him to say.  well t.s.  he's answering the questions posed by the interviewer.  i'm sorry he didn't have time to run everything by you personally so you would be happy.  

for too long, slash has been a cancer in gnr and the music world at large.  FACT:  he is a media whore.  you try and make fun of anyone who happens to believe axl is honest by saying that axl's word isn't the bible.  well no, it's not and nobody's saying that.  but when we're talking about GUNS N' ROSES, the band that axl rose legally owns and is the front man of, then his word is the closest thing you can get to the bible.  so accept it.  or be a hater, and diss axl for not thinking and feeling and saying exactly what you want him to say.

What does Slash do exactly that makes him a media whore??

I just want to know what constitutes that

no arguing, just curious as to your opinion.

cool interview I like the attitude and straight shooting. I just wish he would talk about the new band and band members more. I think everyone is over the old days, especially since the casual gnr fan now sees how good the band/ album is, where as before they would be like ...wheres slash?.  lets focus on the present.

PS

I wonder what happened with that better video, i guess we can put that one to rest now as well.

Cant wait to see the band live again soon.

I thought it was interesting how he talked about how he'd let Duff play guitar on a song?? I know Duff was a guitar player before joining GNR, maybe he join them for Patience or something?

Jam with fergie,?

Really?

You can't figure it out why some would think he's one?

All those photo opportunities at award shows/galas and whatnot doesn't give a clue?

I'm just guessing, but a lot of that stuff has very little to do with his music.... Which is what made him famous in the first place. It's more about being seen and getting publicity.





/jarmo

Wonder what those "several things with Guns" Brain is working on are??!!!  :D

Great interview and I appreciate Axl talking about Slash and wanting to get shit off his chest but I'd loved to have more info about the songs on CD, who they're about and what the inspiration behind them are, also when are they touring. I guess all will be revealed. Great to hear from the main man though.

Axl is an artist with integrity.

Axl could have sold his story just the same as slash sold his.. but instead he chose to come talk to his fans directly and give a few select interviews with journalists that he trusts.  

Slash is a fake public persona, he's all about his image and his brand.    He is also a manipulator and a very shrewd media opportunist.

Funny thing is, these days he's become a cariculture of himself and has been reduced to performing with fergie and appearing on ellen.

i agree with all of this. :)

There are a few reasons why. Although I don't agree on this one. Publicizing/marketing yourself inst doing something wrong at all. Its just a personality just as being a recluse ist a bad thing although that dosnt automatuically make you "cool" either . Its just different personalities.

Maybe its the way some people go about publicizing them selfs thats behind the scenes that wrong or is what he was maybe refuring to.

Just for the record IMO Jamming with fergie is a joke(whoring) ...imagine axl jamming with hanna montana for a cover of Sweet Child......some might call that a sellout.

Come on now Jim Bob. Let's don't be ridiculous.

Reduced?

U are acting like he is on some lame VH1 reality show.

Last I checked 4 years ago or so they did have 2 number 1 singles and a grammy and a double platinum CD....

Not bad for some washed up loser, caricature guitar player.


I am with u on the Fergie shit.  That i absolutely hate.

All for Axl, but what is so bad about promoting your image? Just cause you hide away dosn't make you James Dean cool. I bet Slash fans love seeing slash everywhere. If Axl shiowed up on Conan, would you call him a sellout?

I know. Everybody has their opinion.

I'm just saying, maybe all the appearances on award shows, red carpets, selling your house on Ellen, VW commercial etc etc. makes some people see him as a publicity whore and attention seeker.

Obviously others just think of it as cool or a necessity to further a musician's career. Or pay the bills.




Everybody does the late night TV shows when they're promoting something.

It's part of the promotion game.







/jarmo

I think people get themselves into trouble making statements like Jim Bob just did.

Cause this summer, when the Best Buy deal expires and Axl re releases CD, who the fuck knows what kind of media shit he will do.

Then, I am gonna pull back up this thread and once again people will be eating a lot of crow.



How many video games and movies has GNR songs appeared in?

U can buy GNR baby clothes at Spencers.


So let's don't act like Axl is some indie coffee shop dude, selling Cds out of a car either.

He hasn't been a media whore since GNR split BUT this is the same guy who had a limo meet him at the police station with an MTV crew inside.

Conan is no more! :rofl:

I agree with Slash being a media whore. He should learn to say no to some things. But how does he have a fake public persona? In most interviews these days, he talks about guitars, being in rock bands, and how fucked up he used to get. That seems to be what he's always been about.

the less anyone heard of slash or his supporters, the better.  :-*

 ::)

Once again, you're missing the point.

What better way to get your side out to your fans than to talk to MTV's Kurt Loder?

How many Axl interviews did you see during that period? Would you say the market was over saturated with Axl interviews in the early 90s?




/jarmo

Then where is ol' Axl Id love to see him on Conan, where is that elusive Video ...Its almost time for the next single?

I would agree Slash has taken it to the max almost sellout stage of the promo game, but the zero lack of promotion from the Guns camp is almost as frustrating. I respected Pearl Jam for there stance against mass media promotion for years but they were always "out there" on late night TV or Rolling Stone./ Touring ect.
Im so proud of Guns and for Being a fan all these years with the New Album Kicking ass Id love to see them get out there and kick some ass!

Axl was blunt and direct at times in this interview, and I appreciate that candor, but to be quite honest, there are portions of this interview that I really am having trouble understanding what he's saying.  I don't have time to get into it now, but tonight I'm going to post some quotes and hopefully get a productive discussion going to analyze some of Axls ramblings.  I just start with one for now.

Did you break up the old Guns?

It is my belief that the commitment to end old Guns came long before the band started in the heart and soul of one man.

So is he implying that Slash intended to breakup the band before they even started?

okay, with this one, I hope noone will question again the reunion thing. good point, time to move on.
it was more interesting than the first interview to read I admit, and some answers made me laugh.
thx to Del and Axl for that.

ah, I'm curious to know the story about Izzy's contract for touring, but I suppose noone knows on this board...

I'd jam with Fergie!!

I said it's part of the promotional game, I didn't say Axl plays the same game everybody else does....  :P

To say appearing on late night shows is selling out is a bit of a generalization.

Let's say you appear on like Letterman, Kimmel and Fallon because you got a new album out. Is that selling out? No...

What if you appear on one/some of them because you want to be seen on TV, and you're not promoting anything. Wouldn't that be a bit different?





It might mean that the person in question has the kind of destructive personality that would make it impossible to keep the band together for a long period of time?




/jarmo

That isn't even the point though Jarmo

U are famous, u are an entertainer, so normally, that is what entertainer's do. they go to parties, they give interviews, they do shit.


As someone else said, if Axl doesn't want to do those things, All power to him and that is great for him. I don't think people who are into that, should be insulted and treated a certain way cause they enjoy going out and interacting.

if you think i'm getting myself into trouble, i think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

If Axl wants to go on Conan, that would be cool.   There is nothing wrong with promoting your product.   I'd love to see CD get more promo.

If Axl wants to make a commerical for toyota or appear on stage with miley cyrus, I would call him a media whore too.

Haven't you noticed that a lot of entertainers aren't seen when they don't have anything to sell while others will cling onto the spotlight no matter what?

Some do it because it's part of their work. They have to promote their new movie on talk shows, they have to talk to the press etc. Then you have others who do it because they want to be seen.

You know the kind of people who will alert the paparazzi of where they'll be so they can get their picture in the magazines? People who attend events knowing that the photographers will be there.

That's the difference.

At the end of the day, it's about integrity.




/jarmo

Fair enough : ok:

I just don't think Slash fits that description. Slash was at the Oscars right? Well, he did play the original music for the movie "The Wrestler" so he was invited by those people I am sure.

If he does some charity benefit, that is great doing stuff for charity

if he is promoting Guitar Hero III, that is great and nothing wrong with it.

I've never heard of him alerting paparazzi and doing stuff just to be "Seen" they did turn down the Rockstar TV show on CBS which would've gave them a shit ton of exposure etc.

why do ppl hate on Fergie, she is pretty high on the food chain in what she does.  she is A list

Axl has said numerous times, he doesn't go around drawing attention to himself unless he has something to promote.

Thats why we didn't really see or hear from him between 2002 and 2006.   Then just months before the shows in 06 were announced, Axl starts to make appearances.

Now he is promoting himself again, and the album is out.   Hopefully they are working on a tour too.

Have u heard her music?

Nuff Said

yeah and i've seen her live, she was excellent.  u don't have to fall asleep every nite staring at her poster and listening to her album to acknowledge she is in the top tier

Did anyone fully understand that part about being in a reunion in an "ambush" situation? Did Axl really think Slash was going to run out on stage at the Hard Rock unannounced and just start playing with the band? That seems wildly paranoid to me.

I read it as it was fated that they shouldn't stay in a band even before they met.
the band was started in the heart and soul of the leader.

Ok.

I think your opinion has been pretty clear for a long time.

Which is why you asked in the first place.


It's not that you didn't know why people think he was an attention seeking media whore, it's just that you don't agree.



Could be more like "Slash showed up with a guitar ready to play so why would Axl say no" kinda thing....



/jarmo

Slash may be creating a brand name for himself the way Snoop Dogg did since he's no longer in GNR and even VR seems to have run its course.

Remember when Snoop first came out with Dre and he was this cool, laid back, gangster rapping about real life shit. Then he turned into this ridiculous cartoon character drinking out of pimp cups and saying "fo shizzle my nizzle" for any ad that paid him a buck to do it. I'm sure Slash may have a bit more integrity than that but he needs to watch his step.

And I know this was a bit off topic.

that part is very interesting though.

Jarmo, I see where u guys are coming from and I can see how some of the stuff he does can be considered media whoring. I just don't think he does stuff just to be seen or whatever. Most of the time, he has something going on that validates being out and about.


The Fergie thing............... She does seem like a genuine friend of Slash's............. I personally cringe everytime I hear the woman.

Slash isn't anywhere on that Snoop level yet.  Snoop was at the CMA awards for Christ's sake.

on topic about having the right to say what they want..

tbh, outside of the concerts/ records they release, i could care less about slash and axl on a personal level.  Imo, they are both kinda flakes

but to label either as a media whore or a hermit is a little extreme.  axl has a right not to make appearances any more, he has a right to say Yes or No.  same with slash, he is a guitar player, if he wants to get up and do appearances on a country record or a perform on stage with beyonce or go to a movie premiere on a thursday night, i think both guys kinda earned the right to say yes or no to w/e they want or dont want to do

Here's what's kind of pissing me off right now. I feel like if Axl had not addressed his side of the story from the old days people would be saying he was dodging the questions (probably because he's guilty right?) So instead the man stands by what he says and people say he needs to move on?

These are the questions and answers that we've been waiting for for 10 years people.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to hear more about the new band and new music though. But hell, I could've used a longer interview. I'm a fanboy though, I'm both really easy to please and impossible to please at the same time.  

Thanks to Axl and Del for taking the time.

^

I just don't like the bashing on either end

If Slash bashes Axl, I don't like it and vice versa.

Thanks for the interview Axl

..............its a shame people have to rip it to bits and disect it to fit different meanings though, But i guess that will never change.....its gives all the whiners something to swing their handbags at !!!!

 :peace:

Then he has succeeded. He can keep doing it and his image of being this cool character is intact.




Exactly. He can never win with some fans.






/jarmo

I think the point needs to be made LOUD and CLEAR.    There will be no reunion of the AFD or UYI lineups.      If this is what Axl has to do to get it thru some people's thick fucking skulls, so be it.

The thing is though Jim Bob. I don't think anything he says will matter.  People are still gonna fantasize and believe what they want cause things do change over time.

U look at how many times Van Halen swore they'd never reform and how much they hated each other, same with The Eagles etc.

Axl, should say no, it isn't happening, take the high road like he did on Eddie Trunk and then push this version of GNR and the CD.

All this bashing etc doesn't help. it makes him look worse IMO.

no it doesn't. Some people are so into Old Guns promotion.

well said SirTed.

Robin in the style of Stevie Ray Vaughan must be sick.

I honestly think alot of people here just have a vendetta against certain people just because they don't see eye-to-eye with Axl. For instance, it's all high & mighty saying "Slash is a media-whore" and that he is doing all this to higher his profile. Ever think maybe he was obligated to attend those events or that some might have been due to Perla having something to do with the certain thing.

Your all saying oh I would never do such and such he is just doing it for the money. Well even if it were financially motivated, its all fine saying that you would reject on a bloody forum but faced with the choice why not help sercure your family finances, everyone would do it in a heartbeat.

I just think certain people are just hell bent on defending Axl to be correct 100%, everybody lies he & Slash are certainly no exception. Whatever anybody does in their lives are their own choices and who are we to critizise them, they don't have to answer to us.

I gotta say D has it spot on here and is actually the voice of reason. Jarmo no offence to you I think your a great guy but I feel you can sometimes add fuel to the fire if someone makes a certain remark about Axl.

I just don't like how Axl defenders think everything he says and his versions are 100 percent truth and it can be said for Slash defenders as well.


Neither of these guys are angels.

I've read too many interviews from former band members, managers, etc and unless the entire world has some vendetta and hatred against Axl, he is not without fault in this situation.

Not a bad publicity stunt Ax. This is certainly a way to drum up some attention for the new record.

Not sure its the right way to go about promoting it though.

Despite what all of our opinions are, it's always interesting to get a new interview and something to discuss.

It becomes more and more clear that Axl really isn't proud of the UYI material at all. Sure, they were no Appetite but I think those albums really stand up even today. I think most of the public would agree too. I thought some of Axl's best lyrics were there also on songs like Locomotive, Coma, and Don't Damn Me. Could it be he was just never happy with the process in which they were made and where the band was at?

Geez.. can't seem to be able to throw a stone these days without it landing on an Axl Rose Interview.
He is such a MEDIA WHORE.

Well, for me, i don't really get it how neither Axl nor Slash seem to take responsibility for their actions. Slash is too busy trying to be portrayed as the victim and nice guy, while axl just loves to give hell to everyone and say how he never did anything wrong and everyone was just out to get him, which may be true regarding some aspects, but in others he just sounds like a mad man ranting in the rain. and i'm just calling it as i see it.

I don't really trust one or another. first of all because everyone lies to save their ass, and it amuses me to see how some people in here just takes sides based on what either slash or axl recollects from the breaking of the band or their continued battles. it's just non sense. To put aside rational thinking and trusting someone else's version of events is just silly and makes me laugh or think you guys are "cucu" and are taking this a little too far.

the way i see it, axl came off harsh, because, if i read correctly he tried to bring slash down on his playing, and slash may be a lot of things, but he's a damn guitar legend for sure. you can't take anything from him, even if you don't appreciate his last projects. because, all things considered, the same thing could be told about axl, a lot of people hate him for his change in musical style, however i still see him for what he is, a great performer, even with all his faults.

i find it ridiculous that many can't really see the difference between liking the music and liking the musician himself. i love gn'r, old and current version, but i don't really know them, the only three people that seem, from interview,s i could be friends with are duff, bumble and Robin, and that's just based on how they come off, but that's just a big assumption on my part and i take it for what it is. All the others i can't really tell. but i don't make an effort to try to take sides or like someone else's view on the world or people. We are music fans, we like the music. these things are the ugly part of music.

i loved reading Axl's take on all of it, and it's his side and it's a valid point of view. but at the end of the day, i couldn't care less. i like the current gn'r and i like the music and that's all that matters.

if  i could or should make a remark about his interview, i'd only ask him to spend more time talking about his current band members, the process of recording, how they get along, how it's like to share the studio with them and letting them do interviews as well, because the past is buried and it's gonna be that way, but the current incarnation of GN'R needs more press and attention. they don't even have a video for god's sake.

But i do get why this is so important for axl, he did keep himself quite for so many years, it's his turn to speak.

but let's not forget, for anyone to try to really say what happened between Axl and Slash and who's wrong or Right, is just crazy. it strictly depends on who you believe, but given the fact that they're both trying to save their asses in the press, i 'm not gonna take any sides cuz none of this is objective, nor relevant.


the cool part of the interview for me was Robin has an interest to tour with them and he has a solo that sounds like SRV, now that's something i like to hear.

hopefully we'll see them tour this summer and many of us htgth members will meet again and enjoy the great time it was back in 2006 in europe.

Cheers

From Rolling Stone...

Axl Rose?s second official post-Chinese Democracy interview hit the internet today as the Guns n? Roses frontman talked with Spinner about his new album, why the group?s original lineup dissolved and why he?ll never reunite with Slash. Even though the interview was conducted by Rose?s good friend and Guns road manager Del James, the questions definitely aren?t softball and, as usual, Axl doesn?t hold anything back.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/02/27/axl-rose-calls-slash-a-cancer-in-new-chinese-democracy-interview/

I think he finally bit that Slash question right in the ass, killed it, buried it, and hopefully, it'll never see the light of day again.

Slash who? Exactly...

Thanks for another great read Axl.

I agree, the questions weren't softball at all.  People just would like to say that because Del conducted the interview.

Ali

I find it funny how Axl can knock Izzy for being unpredictable when Axls whole career is built on being unpredictable.

And most importanly...I find it troubling that Axl is downplaying how much material they have after CD. He has boasted numerous times how they have been working on a lot of material. In London, he said that there were 3 albums worth of material.

Now all of a sudden there isnt that much there? While Del didnt give a softball interview, I would have liked to see him press a lil more with some of the responses..., the next question should have been, what the hell have you been working on all of these years?
I was under the impression that they spent years and 12+mil on CD and other albums. I always said that when the media reported that CD cost all that time and money they werent painting the full picture because there was 1-2 other albums, atleast 1 more, in the can ready after CD....which justifies the cost and time

The interview opens up with them talking about how Axl didnt intend on creating a masterpiece or dwelling on the fact that he had or wanted to make this masterpiece. Well if thats the case, then why did you spend 14mil and all of that time on 1 album?

That part about the material with Baz really bothered me. I dont understand the downplaying when all of these years he has said that atleast 1 other album would be ready after CD. The media and fans are only going to care about what he said about Slash and the old band but as a fan of the new band and Axl himself...this bothered me the most

Definitely gotta give props to Del. There were some really good questions in there.

I always said how I'd never want to meet my heroes out of fear of them not being cool or whatever.


same goes with this. I find all the bashing to be depressing.

Ha....check out the title of the Rolling Stone article

damn you've guessed it.

"Guns N' Roses' Axl Rose says Slash is "a cancer"--http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKTRE51Q2WA20090227
"Axl Rose Calls Slash a ?Cancer? in New ?Chinese Democracy? Interview" ---RS


I just love how we aren't counted among the entire world.

What axl comment in the interview is a lie? enlighten us as we're out of the world.

More rock , less talk.

Awesome interview!  : ok:

It's always good to see Axl lay down the law and tell it like it is.

Good point there YG. Axl has himself talked about 3 albums worth of material.

As someone on another forum stated, it didn't help having so many people call it AFD on steroids, Physical Graffitti mixed by Beck and Reznor. Best of Pink Floyd mixed with Zep.

Your question is hard to follow but lets see if I can interpret this:


Slash followers do nothing but blame Axl. I don't think Axl deserves all the blame as it must have been extremely difficult to deal with a heroin addict and a band full of junkies.


Axl followers and Axl himself takes no fault whatsoever but u just have so many versions from so many different people and I just find it hard to believe that every single person in the world is lying. Jesus, Even Bucket left, Robin has left twice......

Izzy even said in a Classic Rock article how the last straws were Axl wanting him to sign a paper and take a smaller percentage etc etc.


In any breakup, never is it only one person's fault.

I'm still lost on all that shit about Robert John and the guy's personal finances. Why that was necessary for anyone to know is beyond me.

well i'm just curious who's to blame for philly, since Axl never has any fault of his own...

The Promoters of course

Lakers game  ;)

axl: No. I said "loved," as in past tense. It was a misquote by a writer I mistook as a fan.

del is a much abler interviewer than that writer it seems.


No but slash lies.
Robin and bucket don't like the label very much and they don't say much.

Last time it was "not before either of us dies" and now its "slash is cancer", oh what a crappy way to get headline news spot.
Whats next? "Slash planned mass genocide"?

Don't really know if it's intentional, but it definitely doesn't "clear it up" any more than being "polite" about it.
I'd understand this interview completely if it was made by some other media asking the same old questions, but I consider Del as a part of the "family" and them using their old friends to benefit for themselves is not cool (same goes for Slash & co really)

Agreed. Rest of the post too. : ok:

We're all here because we're fans of a band's music. I think there's too much attention given to arguments and feuds and shit.

Though it's cool that we've heard from Axl a few times now recently. :yes:

It's interesting that in a situation where Axl has total control of what gets talked about ( Interview with Del, Axl asking fans to ask about specific topic are both closer to  essays  written by Axl, rather than interviews)vast, vast VAST majority of things he chooses to speak of revolve around old guns.
Find an interview with Slash where some 75% of what he speaks about had been old guns.

Slash dares to mention Guns n' Roses in an interview and its "OMG WHORE WHOREING HIS ASS WTF???"
Axl gives an interview that is essentially all about old guns and its " Axl clearing things up" ;D

That's perhaps the most redundant post I've seen. Talk about living up to the stereotypes D was talking about.

Anyway, I think MeanBone has said it best. Very insightful.

Just another example of Axl "being the bad guy".

When it happened, it made headlines. Obviously.

But, as usual, the story behind it all wasn't important. The most important thing was that Axl ripped his friend off because he's the Antichrist!



Well the guy made a fucking book to "set the record straight" about GN'R....

So yeah, maybe his interviews aren't mostly about GN'R, but he made some money on it instead. I guess you prefer that.





Maybe it's because certain people, no names mention/forgotten, like to take things out of proportion?

If he had said they have X albums worth of material, there'd be people saying "OMG! OMG! Can't wait for the next album!".

Thus, starting "the wait" all over again. Which is kinda stupid since the new album was released three months ago and the band hasn't toured behind it yet.....


So maybe he wishes to focus on Chinese Democracy right now.

Isn't that what you want?




/jarmo

Ok, I must have completely missed whatever headline that was.  Will go look it up....

I don't buy a word of that.  I don't believe for a second that even Axl would have released Chi Dem for free.   It's about money.  Maybe it's more important to some than others.  But it's about money. 

It happened back around 2002. Robert went to all the guys in the old band to see if they wanted to buy the pictures because he was having money problems. All the other guys said they didn't want them. Axl bought them and when Robert didn't get the money  ASAP he sued Axl saying he stole them or something.

You don't?

I think the record company would've been more pissed...  :hihi:




/jarmo

"Now, there's been some concern... that if we play 5 or 6 new songs, then there can't that many more on the album. Au contraire mon fr?re! We're just playin' the songs we're not considering putting out as singles or anything. So you'll get 18 songs and about 10 extra tracks. And when that... when the record company feels that has run [it's] source, then you'll get it all over again. And by that time, I should be done with the 3rd album! So we'll see if all goes well boys and girls!"

No one took anything out of proportion. Axl and the band have said countless times that they were working on multiple albums not just CD.

Now its a problem if people wonder about follow up material? Geeezzzz.

To blame anything on Baz' big mouth is absurd. It came straight from Axl.

I have always thought it was unfair for the media and fans to say that Axl was spending all this time and money on just CD. I would say, well if you put your agenda aside you would realize that they have made 2-3 total albums counting CD. Which certainly justifies the time and cost. But if that is not the case then that is troubling and contradicts the first few questions of the newest interview.

You are right, I want Axl to start focusing on CD. He still hasnt done that. When the videos are made and released, and they hit the road is when the CD era will begin. When I hear interviews from Axl and the band about the making of CD, the present, and the FUTURE then Ill be totally happy.

Axl has told his story about the old band, now we can move on. And I think everyone here wants that and is looking foward to that.

You know, I am starting to get almost as tired of the world vs. Axl stories, as I am of the reunion stuff.   I get his point, and I don't blame Axl for having an obvious complex about it, but being the selfish fan that I am - I want tour dates, or at least discussion about the album.  Slash sucks, everyone but me is to blame for CD delay/release, I hate all my old music, and one by one, everyone who enters Axl's life lets him down or stabs him in the back - save for the loyal few...I would save that for the 'tell all' book (guarranteed bestseller) - or let sleeping dogs lie...it may be too late to convince most non-fans that he is not the bad guy anyway.

More music, tour dates, talk about the music!  Thats my advice (1 of 1 Billion I am sure).  : ok: 

that ship has sailed. He has no shot of winnning any substantial public support. Mainly because no one cares either way. He shouldnt even care. Its cool for him to tell his side once. Thats fine. But hopefully this wont be a theme with every interview/press release.

but its going to be hard to avoid because
1) people will always ask
2) his first major interviews or comments after all of these years are about the old band...so this will open the floodgates to even more future questions

I know what he said in 2002.

So what's the problem with focusing on the CURRENT album instead of starting all the talk about future releases now?

Isn't that what you wanted? Less talk about anything non-CD related?

And now you're upset because he doesn't wanna talk about the follow-up?



Wait, are you gonna say you've waited for the Chinese Democracy follow-up album since 2002? Because in 2002 he said [insert quote about multiple albums here]?  :hihi:




You're looking for contradictions that aren't there.





Well you don't make that decision for "us".

If Axl wants to talk about the weather, he can.  :)




/jarmo

I'm pretty sure the 76ers were playing the Spurs that night.

Hes said similar stuff along the way...

I dont care how long ago it was. he said it.

Just like he holds Slash accountable for what he has said/did in the past(like really in the past), we as fans can expect some accountability as well....yes or no?

Stop with the semantics. Im not asking Axl to talk about new material every second. I was surprised he down played the idea of there being more material in the can for a follow up.

And Jarmo, for the record, I want Axl to DO not Talk.....When Axl is out there doing stuff is when hes at his best.

Well if your not wrapped up in creating a masterpiece then why spend all that time and money on one album?

And you would proceed to tell me how its a positive :hihi:

Yeah, i just don't like how it is now Baz' fault the 3 to 4 album thing got started cause yeah, Axl was saying it WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before Baz and I am sure Sebastian can count how many new songs he hears while listening.

That is my point. no responsibility for anything. Now to blame Baz for starting a "rumor" is just absurd.

As always I love what Axl has to say. The guy speaks the truth and thats what ends up pissing people off.
Most of the time the truth hurts so people tend to ignore it. You can ignore it but that doesn't make it go away. As a gnr fan we look high and low for any info. We probably go to the wrong places but its nice to see in the end Axl is here to set it straight.
Thanks man.
peace out
By the way I posted this at another board but I'll post it here too. As a woman may I just say I wish more men had Ball's like Axls!

I honestly think Axl lied a tad bit there, probably to ease off with the anticipation and pressure for future releases.

You know, he probably learnt that lesson pretty well during the making of CD. Imagine what would've happen if he told theres two more albums waiting to be released on his backpack. It would just create unbearable pressure from everyone.  
And 'cause it's harder to believe why he would've lied back in 2002.

Everyone thinks he speaks the absolute truth (atleast here) and that pisses people off.

Yeah, the truth hurts, on both sides.

Wouldnt expectations be reduced and assumptions changed if he came out early and said that his plans are to make a few albums in the studio over the years not just one?

He could have said that and also said he wants to just hang in the studio and create at this point in his career.

Instead people have thought hes just some crazed out singer trying to make a perfect album all of these years....and its taken years and millions to do so.

Point is, I don't care who it is, no one ever tells the 100 percent verbatim truth.

I think u take a little of this side with a little of Axl's side, with a little bit of a neutral observes thrown in and its a culmination of many different things.


to say its all one side or the other's fault is just hard to believe and I really can't understand how anybody can do so.

Good point.

Who knows how much it took out of him to release CD really. Maybe he hasn't decided if the wants to go through that again?
But you need to keep in mind if he says "I've got a few songs ready" it will probably be taken out of context to something like "I've got an album ready". And if he decides not to do it, it would be a shitstorm.

Yeah, and did he deny saying it?

To me it seems more like he just doesn't wanna think about it right now. Or say too much because some Younggunner might take what he said out of context.




And I think I explained to you why it makes sense to me personally to downplay the follow-up record at this point.

I guess it just makes no sense to you. Which isn't surprising. Nothing I explain to you seem to make any sense (or you just ignore it).  :hihi:

It seems like you did get at least part of the point, but just refuse to let it go:


He got the album out didn't he? What was he focusing on then?  ???

So according to you focusing on an album means putting out videos and touring. Usually that comes after you've focused on making and releasing the album. Are you saying the actual making of an album and its release doesn't require any kind of focus from the artist? That the artist only starts focusing on the album once he/she goes on tour?

You seem to confuse focusing on promotion of an album with focusing on working on the album.

Two different things.

Axl's been focused on Chinese Democracy for a while now and he intends to keep that focus. So, maybe you want to save the next album talk until Axl and GN'R puts their focus on it?


I think I used the f-word enough there.....



I would tell you that it's his choice and not much you can do about no matter how much you complain and wish for Buckethead's return.  :hihi:




You still don't get it.

Baz might've heard X amount of songs. Doesn't mean they have X amount of songs ready for release. Which is what was implied.


Remember when people thought Chinese Democracy would be a box set? This was like in October.... Surely you must remember.

Why do you think they would think that?




People think he lies because it contradicts what their idol(s) have been telling them.

Does it make it a lie? No.....

It's easier to say "Axl lies" than to deal with the fact that you've been lied to for years by your idol(s).



/jarmo

Very true.  And I was probably a little harsh.  I'm not implying that Axl doesn't have integrity, not at all.   But to clarify - money makes the world go around.  Kids don't grow up wanting to be rock stars just because they want to contribute to the world's music collection.  They grow up wanting to be rock stars because they want to contribute to the world's music collection, and they want the sex, drugs, parties and other fame entanglements that go with it.   :)

Gene Simmons is a man of honesty in this regard.

Thats fine Jarmo but he should come out and say that I mis spoke back in 2000 whatever it was and I am focusing on CD and we will worry about other albums later instead of trying to make it out like Sebastian listened to some music one night and then went around shouting how Axl had 4 albums when it was Axl and others said that WAY before.

so I dont think its cool blaming that on Baz.

Isn't that what Axl meant by the 5 or 4 or however many appetite comments? I am sure Axl is in this to be successful. It is about the music but I don't think he wants to be a failure at it.

Sure enough, there's the article on Comcast.net

Axl: Slash is 'a cancer'

Nothing like not reading into what the interview's about.  ::)

Oh man.

I think he even told Baz to stop saying that.

He's just making sure people are being realistic about it and explaining that what Baz said might've been a bit exaggerated.

That's all.


And now we got people attacking Axl for allegedly attacking Baz. It's just not there!





/jarmo

Focusing on an album means making it,puting it out, and promoting it. So we are now just waiting for the last 3rd to kickoff so we can start the CD era.


Make up your mind. Is Axl down playing future material because he wants to focus on CD or is Baz wrong and there really isnt any substantial follow up material?

Baz hasnt said anything that should be classified as exaggerated.

In 2002 Axl said what I posted. His comments clearly indicate he has 1 if not 2 albums after cd that are ready to be released.

People say "Slash lies" all the time (again, in here at least).

What pisses me of is, be it Slash's or Axl's corner, that what their idol claims is the absolute and only truth there ever was, even if it is with no more, or even less truth than what the other guy has said. All this just 'cause people have "chosen" a side to be, no matter what.
There is a bunch of people here who've done that(people who troll either the VR section or this section), they'd never agree with "the others", even if straight facts are under their noses, 'cause the other one just has to be an asshole.

I think it's cool to lean on the other side, but to just blindly agreeing with everything, like if there was a price for ruining shit is fucking retarded.

Christ, what a negitive interview.
It was exciting to see a new interview, but this is one I'd actually rather do without. It made Axl seem negitive, grumpy and somewhat of an ass in dodging questions and pretty much bitching about the media, 'fans', Slash etc. etc for the whole thing.
Also I would have thought that an interview between Del and Axl would be a bit more interesting and revealing than this. Del pretty much just asks stock-standard GnR questions- about the old band, the break up, new album etc. Not very interesting questions on Del's part.
Why not focus more on promoting the album in a positive way rather than go on about all the negitives.

But you just said he hadn't focused on the album and how you want him to:


And now you say focusing is also about making it and releasing it. Which he obviously has done.

So what is it? Has he focused on the album or not?

You're saying two contradiction things.

Which is what you're accusing Axl of. Ironic....

It's not easy discussing with somebody who says one thing only to say the opposite a few minutes later.






Make up my mind? Oh wow. This from the flip flop guy. See above.


Axl said he saw this project as a double album, that's two albums. Baz has mentioned there being more than two albums of material.

Some people thought the November 23rd release would be a box set with like three albums because Best Buy listed three versions at first.


One doesn't exclude the other.

Axl saying there's not as much material as Baz has said doesn't mean there's no songs recorded for a possible follow-up album.

Axl wanting to focus on Chinese Democracy does not mean there's no recorded songs either.


See, one doesn't have to exclude the other.


I'm starting to suspect some of these posts were made under the influence of something....





/jarmo

For years Axl was silent, and everyone wanted him to talk. Now he's talking and people don't like what he's saying.


Chinese Democracy is out, and Axl is talking. The only thing important next is they tour in support of Chinese Democracy. No need to worry about another album right now.

Until they promote the album the new era has not begun. Stop with the word games

When has Baz mentioned there being more than 3 albums?

Some people thought Slash was wearing a Bucket on his head at Rio
Some people have thought hundreds of things over the years in regards to this band

Nobody took those rumors seriously. Plus the media never picked up on it.

If Axl doesnt want to talk about the follow up because he wants to focus on CD...ok fine...

but if there isnt any substantial material ready to be released for the next album than that is a major problem.

Yeah, I guess we should be happy with Axl interviews, but I like the laid back, funny, engaging Axl that was on Eddie Trunk

He just seems so bitter and angry in all these interviews and it bums me out to hear him seem so mad.

D you are right, Axl seems bitter and angry. 

Jarmo, you are right, things do get taken out of context.

I find the interview positive in that we learn how he feels and negative in that it was a pretty shitty interview done by one of his best friends. 

I find his story contradicts Izzy's, Duff's, Matt's, Gilby's, Slash's, and sometimes Bucket's to be taken too seriously.  I do know they are all out of the band, doesn't mean they are all wrong.  I am sure Robin's name will soon be added to the list. 

I too wonder how you focus on an album that was released and not toured behind or played much.  He says he wants to focus on CD, but when asked about CD, he jumps back into Slash, or not being happy with UYI.

Word games?

I just showed you how you contradict yourself and it's a word game? Sorry, it's not. Just trying to have a discussion with somebody who seems to confuse himself.

You say something that's the opposite of what I say, then when I ask you about it, you say something that's basically identical to what I said, when I point it out, I'm playing word games.

That's so classy.  :P


I know, just do the usual. Ignore it and act like it never happened.

 :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFOL0izAGM4

He says "he's got four albums worth of material".

Now, that can obviously be twisted into meaning those albums are done and ready.





If that was the case, it still wouldn't be a problem until they start focusing on that album.  :P




/jarmo

Putting aside all the Axl vs Slash drama, I thought his take on the drum sound on Illusions was dead-on.  I always thought those albums sounded somehow muffled and dead.  Great to hear him say that.  I'm not a Adler enthusiast, but Sorum was never right for the band.

I liked how he got into the tech side of the guitars and drums. Very interesting. I'd like to hear Chris talk about that stuff a bit more. He has a great musical mind and with Axl, make a great team.
I hope the next interview with Axl focuses a bit more on that side of things. Love reading about it.


 :peace:

BOTH Axl and Slash have been and always will be an influence in my life. I was disappointed in reading this interview. I think Axl bashed Slash too much. I would like to see him focus more on CD, touring, the band, marketing the album, and putting out another album. I agree with D and youngergunner regarding this interview. I think Axl has the right to express his side of the story. However, I think there are always three sides to EVERYONE's story. Furthermore, there comes a time when you have to accept responsibility and accountability. Axl is  a 46 years old man and it just seems like he has not done so after reading this interview. I was surprised by his comments on Izzy and Duff as well.

Damn, some people take this Guns N' Roses crap way too seriously!

maybe Axl was having a bad day

maybe Axl is just sick and tired of all those GNR "fans" that won't accept that there will NEVER be a reunion

maybe Axl hopes that if he says straight out, plain and simple, that "one will die before a reunion would happen" and "he's a cancer" that people will FINALLY STOP spinning that into somehow he's leaving the door open

They are now showing this interview on AOL.

By "showing" you mean it's just posted there like it is here, right?  There's no video of it or anything like that, right?

Right, I meant posted.

Really sounded like Axl was having a bad day.  Doesn't sound like a man who has a passion for what he is doing which is so unlike the way Axl has sounded in the past.

Baz needs to call Axl and take him away some where.  Seems like the only time in that interview he perked up.

AOL has the same story, better picture.

OY FUCKIN VEY!!!  HE'S TRYING TO TELL YOU TO GET OVER THE PAST!!!

"the people keep talking about it as if it's the end of the earth ... it's only a rock group that split up ... it's nothing important .. you know ... you have all the old records there if you wanna reminisce"   - John Lennon

Thankyou for posting that, I was thinking the same thing this morning and I couldn't remember the exact quote.  : ok:

The more I read the past couple of interviews, I just don't think it is healthy for Axl to have this kind of animosity on his chest. He needs to find a way to get over the past cause he seems consumed by it in a lot of ways.

If he wants to repair whatever damage has been done to his reputation, there are a whole lot better ways than these tirade interviews.

I still would love to know exactly what it was Slash did cause from interviews I've read, Izzy and everybody else has been just as negative.

What bothers me is, Slash in 2009 isn't necessarily the Slash from 1996 or even 2004.

He has apologized many times in the press and has taken fault for a lot of his mistakes.

Axl doesn't have to reunite with him, but forgive and move on.

If he thinks it was SLash's "Lies" that damaged his rep... I'd say his rep was damaged WAY before that.

yeah and maybe some of the people that interview him should stop gettin into the same shit over and over, I just dont know why Del James came up with the same question, couldnt he think in something better?

I feel bad that Axl Rose has had to go through all this shit...People just judge him and call him an "asshole who destroyed GNR" and shit like that, but you can clearly see this shit has not been easy on him.  I couldnt even begin to fathom how difficult the past 15 years have been and apparently 20 years since it seems that these problems with Slash have always been there...I think a lot of people are really only interested in their own entertainment, thus the reason some people keep pushing for a reunion...All I can say is I have been following GNR since the early 90's and "Chinese Democracy" has been worth every second of the wait...Axl has put together a great, inventive, innovative album..whereas Slash keeps throwing out recycled riffs and posing for photographs with Fergie....I am glad that my loyalty has been on the right side all of these years... : ok:

Thanks for posting. Good read as always.

It's good axl set bach straight lol.  : ok:

What makes you think you have any idea what he has had to deal with?

If you don't have any idea about it, what makes you think you have the "solution"?


Maybe it's just not as simple as reading a few interviews with lies?

Maybe something a person said in 1996 comes back to haunt you in 2006? How would you feel if you had shit thrown at you for years?

Maybe you have a bunch of so called fans against you because of all the shit that has been said about you for years?





/jarmo

What a completely unnecessary interview.

I'm on Axl's side with the whole Slash thing and I agree with everything he says - but he lets Slash win by talking like this and he just sounds bitter.

Sad. I thought there was a reason he stayed silent - it's called "having class and being the bigger man".

Also, the longwinded legalese answers have gotta go. He's not a lawyer or a politician. He's not even a high school graduate.

Stick to creating music and touring, buddy!  :beer:

There comes a time u have to just sweep the shit under the rug and move on with your life. Life is too short to be consumed with bitterness and hatred.

If Axl is 100 percent right, he is still letting those people win by allowing them to get under his skin like that. His last two interviews, he has sounded very upset etc and no person should carry that much around on their chest.


what's done is done, he can give 2 thousand more interviews, it won't change a thing. It also isn't like whatever Slash said is the reason he gets hated on etc so much.

That is most of my problem with this. no accountability whatsoever.

Like it was the people in Vancouver's fault, the guy in ST Louis' fault, the sound system in Montreal's fault, Philly's fault

It was bucket's fault a tour got canceled, its Baz' fault people think there are more albums, it's Slash's fault the old band broke up, its always somebody else.

When Izzy leaves and calls u Hitler in an interview, when Slash quits, Duff Quits.... U know, u may need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why?

Its like we are suppose to believe the entire world has a personal vendetta against the guy and he is just an innocent victim in all of this and I just don't buy that.



I mean can we get a little accountability here? Surely no one believes he is 100 percent blame free in anything right?

if so, I am gonna have to re examine how I think of some of u seriously.

He's intelligent and successful and doesn't need pointers or direction from anyone on here.

No, of course you're supposed to think that he's to blame for everything!

You know, stick to the the general idea that everything is his fault...  ::)



By your logic, if three people leave a group, it has to be the fourth guy's fault.

That's exactly what the problem is. Just because three people repeat the same story doesn't make it the truth.

You should know that.




English, do you speak it?  :P





/jarmo

No, we don't know what he's gone through or is going through.  But to refer to someone as "a cancer" is sad.  I also think it's sad that anyone would continue to hold grudges for 20 yrs and not seek some type of peace and forgiveness.    

I have never said it is all his fault, I have been on his side about a lot of stuff but I definitely know he isn't innocent and some great amazing angel of a person who everyone tries to bring down and destroy.

He took responsibility for not being able to make a better UYI album. He didn't take any when it comes to fractured relationships and all that stuff. Riots etc etc etc


the point isn't who is right or wrong.

what I am saying is, he needs to let go of all that hostility.  Cause in the end, he is only hurting himself.

 ::) Man it wasn't so long ago people missed Axl rants...  :hihi: Guess so long as it doesn't rub them the wrong way :drool:,,,, oh well get over it.  :beer:

no no, I love his rants, but I don't like this one in particular.  Demeaning a guy's playing which is ridiculous and then seemingly talking shit about his own previous works that are amazing whether or not he thinks so.

I think D makes a very good point. 

some of you really need to get over slash.   all these years later, really its ok to move on.

Interesting how you know nothing about it but you're quick to point out what's sad.....

 ::)



Once again, generalizations.

Nobody said anything about an angel. You just have to take everything to the extreme to prove your "point".


Open your eyes.

If you have never seen any bullshit about GN'R, then congratulations.





Did he talk about riots etc etc etc. in this interview?

Which question was about the riots?


Talking of relationships, I seem to recall this other band featuring a guy in a top hat losing their singer. Must be Axl's fault!




Well maybe letting some steam out is the best thing...


But it's the usual. "Axl should shut up". "How dare he!"



Of course you do. The two of you who know nothing about what Axl has had to deal with are giving hm advice on how to live his life.

 :hihi:





/jarmo

they're disgruntled slash fans.    thats really all it is.

Slash isn't the only cancer, 'namsayin?

Well said.  Then again, the Slash topic keeps coming up in recent interviews.  I would agree, it's time to get over Slash and some of the things he may or may not have done.  It's time to move on.  I figure if the topics keep coming up in interviews then it's still ok to talk about it.  

Read my post. 

Yeah, like you ever stopped and only started due to the interviews!  

Oh wait, it's Axl's fault!  :rofl:


/jarmo

There was a poster on here from Utah that told me something once, and even though we aren't friends at the moment, I'll never forget it.


this is paraphrased cause I don't remember it verbatim

I was very negative and just mad at the world, hated everybody and everything and he made a lot of sense with something like "YOU control how you feel, how you act and how you let things affect you"

If someone wrongs u, u can hold it in and let it further ruin your life and your happiness, or you can let it go cause ultimately it is your decision.


I fuck that up all the time but u get the idea.

Axl is choosing to let all that still consume and affect him. He has a great new CD, a great new band, So rebuild the rep by going out and kicking ass in concert, do some shit to help somebody else out publicly like habitat for humanity or something and the stuff that happened would be an after thought.

You're right, I don't know anything about it, but I said it's sad, and it is.  For whatever reason it happens, holding bitter feelings enough to call someone a cancer has got to hurt inside.  For anyone.   It's not good to hold such negative feelings inside for so long.  

I don't know about Axl and his life and I'm not giving advice on how to live his life.  He can live it the way he wants.  All I sad is it's sad to feel that way for so long.

He can say whatever the fuck he wants.  I can respond like I want, as can you.    

Don't tell Axl what to do. : ok:

Ok now Axl is the only person in the world who has ever had somebody lie on him and treat him bad or wrong.

Jarmo, feelings are feelings. Axl's hurt and pain are no different than hurt and pain felt by millions of other people who have went through shit. Heartbreak, betrayal, those are emotions we all feel and I know from great experience that you can move on and better yourself, or u can let those things eat u alive.


I honestly no longer care about the whole he said, he said shit. cause we are never gonna know the real truth.

The more he stays consumed with Slash, the harder its gonna be for not only him but everyone else to move forward with what they are now.

There is nothing he can say that will change public perception. bashing and doing shit like this certainly won't help.


we know nothing about axl but u guys are the experts right? how does that work?

Even the usually Axl-bashing RollingStone disagrees with you on that point  ::)

I give Del credit. he asked some good questions.

I never said it was Axl's fault in regard to this particular interview or in anything I said up above.  I've said before that no one particular and sole person could be at fault.  Please don't put words in my mouth.

Yes I do defend Slash. So what?  You defend Axl.  So what?  We're told to "move on" and it's about GnR today.  That's a very good point because GnR is about the band today, right?  However, since former members who are interviewed keep talking about the past, then I'd say it's fair game for us to talk about it as well.  

I'm sure Del will sleep better tonight knowing you approve.  ::)

So you're the asshole! Can't be his fault....  :P

 :hihi:



But he's not keeping them inside when he talks about them in an interview that's published is he?


That's the thing. He does not hold back.

Do you think he's stupid and doesn't realize that some of you won't like what he has to say and probably will feel offended and/or hurt?

Still he speaks his mind.

Like he always has.



Once again you start with the ridiculous generalizations!



Thank you Dr D!






Never claimed to be an expert. But I don't judge somebody who's shoes I have never walked in or had to deal with the kind of shit he has had to deal with.

I happen to think that since I don't understand everything, maybe I shouldn't be the one pointing fingers.




I don't think you need to be a member of Mensa to figure that out!





/jarmo

Axl is getting this shit off his chest for the first time in years.

Let him say what he wants, no need to bitch that he doesn't like slash.   When I say move on, thats what I mean.   Theres no reunion in the works.  Slash hasn't been in the band for 13 years.  His fans who aren't interested in the present should find a VR board.

If this is what it takes for him to move on, then ok. but are we gonna get the same venom spewed stuff in every interview?

It isn't about being a doctor but everyone knows that if you let your enemy turn you bitter and angry,they continue to win. He shouldn't let them have that kind of power over him to make him feel that way anymore.

U have a great album, I wish he wouldn't let a small percentage of people upset him. If he reads the internet he should stop, cause the net is a cesspool for cynicism and negativity.

Feeling guilty?  :hihi:



/jarmo

Perhaps he is over it, I mean damn if people didn't get it from the Billboard interview, and many obviously didn't. that reunion isn't gonna happen, and if being blunt and speaking harsh finally puts that aside great, sure I know its upsetting for many to hear, and you all feel like you know better, and that things can be done different, well , I dunno, live in his shoes. and then say what is right or not.

I don't think Axl is not to have some blame, but I don't think the intention was about that but more about people constantly creating BS and old band members talking reunion. And so sorry if he hurt your feelings by being as blunt as I can see how he feels about that .

That's not my point.  He can say what he wants.  That's fine.  I'm glad to hear him talk and hear his side for the first time in years.  I'm not bitching about that.  I just find it sad that there is so much bitterness after all these years.  That's not good for anyone.  

I know what you mean about move on.  There's no reunion in the works.  Yada yada.  I'll say again - and listen to me - I'm supposed to move on because I'm not interested in the present and find a VR board.  Whatever.  I try pretty hard not to get involved with the arguments over all this bullshit, here.  However, you can't tell me or anyone else to "get over it", when obviously some of the members of that almighty golden original line up have not gotten over it.  If they can still talk about it, then so can I.    

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Shit I am tame compared to most people I've seen

Hell I was looking on yahoo at Summer movies and I saw a shit load of posts from people wishing Miley Cyrus would die!

I mean come on now, wishing death on a kid is pathetic.


I have a feeling a summer tour could be very interesting with some pretty damn good rants.

Shit we are a Slash response away from Biggie vs 2pac part deux


So is this why we don't get many UYI songs on tour cause Axl seems to hate how that album came out?

If it makes those people sad, doesn't it make you sad as well?  :P  ;)


The problem isn't liking the old albums. The problem is people who keep talking about the old band reuniting.

Who obviously haven't gotten the message...



/jarmo

HAHA shit, he and i are like the Two Coreys


same shit though, there are two sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle kind of like this IMO.

I just wish we knew who he was addressing. I haven't heard anybody mention that since CD came out.......Granted I frequent here and GNRevolution only

so unless other places have that sort of shit........... Who has mentioned a reunion?

Come on, we all know Axl's never held back (well, except for a few years without interviews).  

No, I don't think he's stupid, at all.   Never said that.  I think he's held a grudge for too long.  I think he needs to move forward in life.  That's not advice - just what my feelings are, that's all.  

Am I offended or hurt?  No.  No more so than you or anyone else when I speak up on behalf of other members.

And the Mensa comment - funny.   And you defend Axl.  Again, so what?  It doesn't take someone being a member of Mensa to figure that out, either.  

everybody knows here im not into slash and the shits he have talked
but i really think that axl sounds bitter.. this interview (and the billboard one).. must have been perfect in 2004-2005 when the VR-boys were talking shit.. to clarify and  let the people decide what to believe... i really think axl had to clarify and tell his side of the history but now is too late!

i really enjoy axl and CD.. and that should be the focus.. not slash not past.. is too late to worry about the past.. it is time to see the future
to promote CD and tour a lot...  it is time to prove wrong the haters
  
axl is not perfect
axl is human being with defects.. you shouldnt take his words literally

I've heard and gotten the message.  I admit it's a thing I'd like to see one day - can't help it.  Whether it happens or not is not for me to say.  But talk of reunion is not even close to any point I was ever trying to make here.

And yes the whole situation does make me feel kind of sad.    

It's not only fans, it's the media as well:  Duff McKagan: 'Guns reunion could happen' (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/a147117/duff-mckagan-guns-reunion-could-happen.html)

Just one example.

Notice how this is dated AFTER Axl's Billboard Q&A...





You're right. Most sensible people who come here and see that this is a GN'R fan site should assume we support Axl and GN'R.

 :)



/jarmo

That's just it - the media helps promote the idea.  The media (even Del James-go figure about his questions) also continues to ask questions of any member of the original line up, whenever they are interviewed, about this whole topic.  Reunion, how you feel, etc.  It's a given.  So no one here can say that "he always talks about GnR - he can't get over it ".  It doesn't matter who was in that "original lineup" - any one of them gets the questions and that's why they end up talking about it. 

As for that last statement, there...well, yeah - obviously.  That's a given.  But it is a GnR fan site, right?  GnR.  That word, right there, encompasses a lot.  Right?     

Guess some think that to be a Gn'r Fan U have to only like members on the current line up what ever that is.

no, nothing wrong with liking former members too.   but if you don't like the current band, you can't exactly call yourself a GnR fan in 2009.  You can say you were a fan of what GnR was.  And those people are better off not on a site like this meant to support GNR.

I've always been a HUGE Axl supporter.  I dig Slash, but Axl to me has always been the heart of GNR.  I always thought Axl could pull of a Guns album without Slash.  Some tracks on CD prove me right, but others are missing his sound/feel big time.

i think some comments in this interview are a few years too late though. Can't blame axl for being angry or not liking Slash.  Slash has said a lot of shit about axl.  but why now... why when CD is viewed as a flop, people want a reunion so bad and the non-die hard doesn't really hate slash, the average fan/person just wants the old band together.  As a big fan I GET why that won't happen, but it's not helping axl to talk so much shit.  take the high road.  i love the honesty and part of me likes the rock feud, but at the same time Guns and Axl aren't viewed so highly to the average person right now.

glad to hear axl talk about that stupid "bury appetite" comment.  always felt people took it waaaaaaay out of context. i also agree with him that something is missing from Slash's guitar playing.  I feel like SLITHER is the only good VR track guitar wise, the rest seems so uninspiring.  Slash Gun's work is MUCH better.

i think guns fans are just going to have to realize that what made the original band sooooo good was also what destroyed them.  these guys have serious issues and are some weird dudes.  put all those guys together and you have amazing music, but a crazy dysfunctional family.  I'm glad we got the music we got and the stuff that has come out post Illusions from both axl and slash.

weird and confusing how axl doesn't seem to know 100% if members of the band will be touring or are still considered to be "in the band".

lastly, i only read the interview once and kinda fast, but Axl is insane if he can't understand the amazingly high expectations for CD.  whether we as fans made them in our own head, or the stories of the millions it cost to make blah blah blah.  CD SHOULD have been the most amazing record ever.  it's good, but it could never live up to the expectations behind it and that is simply a matter of the amount of time it took to release it.

anyways, always great to get a good axl interview.  

No. I disagree with that.  Totally and completely.  To say that if you don't like the current band you can't exactly call yourself a GnR fan in 2009 is not right.  GnR encompasses and is a lot of things through many years.  That includes a lot of fans on a lot of different levels.  To say that one is a fan of GnR just because of what they are today is wrong. 

One thing about GnR is that it has evolved and changed and included fans on many different levels.  If this site wants to be about GnR today then it should become that.  If and when it becomes totally and all about just today, then I'm gone.  I thought this site was about anyone and everyone who was ever in GnR.  Why have we now become only about today?  If it is, then I call it bullshit. 

if you don't like guns n roses in its current form but like it in its past form, then you are a fan of what Guns N' Roses was.. not what it is.   Its pretty simple.   Its just calling it what it is.

Damn. Just reading the interview and this thread has already stressed me out.

I think Axl and Slash just need to hug it out. Put them in a room together with some cameras and you have the most dramatic reality show of all time. (I'm sure Slash would be up for it! LOL.)

This is definitely the harshest I've seen Axl toward Slash. I was a bit surprised at his comments, but I think a lot of it has to do with Axl wanting to bury the reunion rumor once and for all. I'm also sad to say that I agree with what Axl says about Slash.

I mean, I love Slash. I always will just because of the great guitarwork he gave us in GNR. And as for this whole "media whore" thing, I got no problem with Slash making appearances and selling books and doing commercials and video games and all that. And as for him performing with so many artists, especially people like Fergie, well, if he likes her music, cool, perform with her . . . But I just have a hard time imagining Slash digging tracks like "My Humps" and "Fergalicious." The thing that pisses me off about Slash is that he doesn't seem to care about the music anymore. If he was doing all the "media" stuff and still coming up with kickass guitar solos, it'd be fine. But he's out there doing countdown shows on VH1 while putting out lazy, uninspired albums like Libertad. That's why a lot of us are angry at Slash.

Yeah, Axl takes a long ass time to make an album, but he puts his heart and his soul into it. I can understand if people don't like Chinese Democracy (actually, I can't, but everyone has different taste), but there's no way you can deny that Axl cares about his craft. He looks at music as art, not as a paycheck. He wants to maintain his integrity and release music he's proud of. I don't get that feeling from Slash. I listen to the VR albums and I can't believe that he's the same guy that played on "SCOM" and "November Rain" and "Estranged." As Axl said, where did it go?

Slash is uber-talented, but since leaving GNR he seems to be more about making money than about creating great art.

Listening to Chinese Democracy right now.   Smoking a fat joint.

I really want to hear that Robin solo Axl was hyping up  ;D

One thing that irks me is that people say move on, now for AXl cause they aren't happy with what he says recently.. and I think to myself.. growing up always sucking up the shit from people , taking abuse and blowing it off cause I know that if I keep moving on and doing what I feel right for myself , that despite that I should just stay silent . I just don't subscribe to that , its not as like I didn't get past it, and succeeded, its the fact that when people decide NO you cant say that you should just bury it never speak.. fuck that, these things come in degrees, and the higher profile you are looked at in a public forum the harsher the critics are to say shut up. WHY?  Its a bit liberating to say the things you held inside , when you feel its right for you to do so. And I know me I take shit, stay silent move on, and sometimes I feel ok now is the time to speak up and squash whatever people thought before cause , the games are over ..and there is nothing wrong with doing so. Friendships end , partnerships end. and some go on the offense , very early , and in turn really destroy any shred of repair.

What does it matter?  One can't be a fan unless they like GnR in it's current form?  Even Axl couldn't give an answer to what the current form is.  I'm not talking trash by saying that, I'm just saying that I'm tired of the sentiment around here that you can't be a fan unless you like the band for what it is now.  It doesn't matter.  Like I said, GnR encompasses a lot of things through the years, and to say that one can't be here unless they like the band in it's current form and totally support Axl (or Slash for that matter) in all he says, is a bunch of BS.  It is what it is.     

Couldn't agree more about everything you wrote. Took the words right out of my mouth!  : ok:

i love that Axl doesnt hold back anymore. its been 14 years of silence and verbal abuse by Slash, Duff and even Matt Sorum for Christ's sake. it was about time he exploded.

i totally agree that Slash is a media whore ive been saying it for years. People take the piss out of Axl for being the big rockstar but he aint been seen hardly for years. I remember watching Slash on Letterman doing cmon cmon do the locomotion with Carole King ha ha , i dont think you would catch Axl doing that, i fucking hope not

I am not saying I believe everything Axl says but even people that no longer speak to him say he is very honest. I'll take their word for it. At least Axl can speak with half a brain. Not sure others can.

Amen. Sorry for the double post. I missed this.

After all these years, Axl speaks........and deflects all blame to everybody else.

The more I read of his RARE interviews, the more respect I lose for him. Up til recently I was pro Axl all-the-way (as you can see from my sign on name). But the more he speaks, the more I struggle with his persistance in calling this project GNR. I have finally woken up! And I am embarrassed that it's taken me this long.

I really don't understand why Axl is beating so much in Slash. Slash stopped to speak bad thing about him in end of 90'.  It seens some kind of revenge..

Its too much easy Axl speak good things about the NEW members, saying that they have a good relationship. But It's so easy to understand the reason, the new members do not have a personality, they rarely express themseff in public, there is few interviews of them.. or talking about the chinese democracy, when they talked, they talked about abstract things of the album just to avoid conflict with Axl.

In this way eveybody is friendly. :)):):)  

 

Exactly! If the new GNR members are such an improvement, then why the fuck can't Axl confidently state who is, infact, in the band at this time????? What a fuckin joke!

I just find it a bit funny that Slash has moved on in the press, answers questions about Axl tactfully and respectfully, and now Axl appears in the press again throwing shit. So much for being 'the stronger'.
I mean, he wants to move away from the old band- why bring them up at all, much less make statements like calling Slash a cancer. Now all the news is about 'Axl calls Slash a cancer' instead of anything about the new album or band. Kind of shooting himself in the foot, and with all the negitivity he spewed it's just makeing him look like the 'grumpy old recluse' the general public think of him.

The Axl' problem is accecpt the differences between the members. Someone should ask him about "how part you are responsible for the break?", because in his mind the problems are from the old members.

Del James if you are reading this enjoy it to ask. :):)

^ Ha! Slash wasn't so "tactfully and respectfully" when he said in 2006 how the new album only had a couple of vocals recorded - and he knew it by fact! Neither when he lies about not being at Axl's house bitching about VR people. Neither when he's always trying to be this "nice guy" but always spitting some venon here and there. So, when Axl is honest about his feelings (and not trying to be this "nice guy" saying nice things about something his dislikes), he's "throwing shit".

Wonder if you have to be always this fake and two faces asshole in the media for people to take you as a nice guy. Maybe that's why Axl is always getting shit for those so called fans... He's not trying to please you - unlike Slash. So sorry.

Funny, because there is this section called Dead Horse and the one dedicated to the old band. Still, you're on the NEWS section, dedicated to talk about CURRENT stuff. How can someone who tends foward to the old guys insist to post the same shit here?

See, that's what Jim Bob was trying to say IMO. It's fine if you like the old guys (more), but don't expect to not having it back when people post here over and over how Axl is the bad guy and bla bla bla.

I'm not into what Slash is doing right now (or even in the VR). Do you see me spamming angry shit in a VR board?

For sure, my friend. I have the same feeling. I knew a guy who wanted to stalk me and kille me (for real). I found out he commited suicide last year and friends in common were all "oh, he was a nice guy, we should respect this moment" and I said "FUCK THAT, he tried everything as possible to make my life a nightmare, he deserved it and I hope he's burning right now". And you know what? People got offended by my words.

I guess it's cool as long it's not with you. That's why I tottally respect any angry or bitterness Axl may have - nobody knows what he had to go through and still are blaming him for finally being able to talk about that without having to answer that old question "when the album is coming out?".

You're so full of shit you don't even know what you're talking about. Is it "personality" to have a band, wish to get back to your old one and talking shit about everyone?

Obviously he wouldn't talk shit about the CURRENT members - if they are still in the loop, it's why they don't problems with him. Still, Axl didn't seem too happy about Robin's choices, did he?

It's time for you and others to take off your blinkers!

Axl is a great and completely unique singer/song writer and performer. But please allow yourself and others to be objective. It may be possible that all the rumours are true and the Axl Rose may just be, a complete and utter nutbag!

Just clarify for us, what is the focus at present? Because I can't see any evidence of activity in the New GNR camp since the album was released? With the wrong insert booklet and one incorrect song version which, again, was somebody else's fault.

My problem with a few people on this and other message boards is that before Axl spook they respected Slash and in some cases idolised him. But not he is the son of satan and they never liked. That kind of behaviour annoys me both in the real world and on the INTERNET.

Credit for asking the same questions that some1 asked hundred times bfore?

whixh song was it that was the incorrect version???

You'll have to ask Axl that. I am pretty sure he mentioned this issue in either the Billboard interview or the post on the fan blog.  Without naming the exact track there. I couldn't be fucked searching for it myself but it was in the paragraph where he say's "business as usual" in regard to the music industry pressing CD's e.t.c

Little Voodoo,


When I said  'personality', i did a comparation with the old band. The new members are more 'passive', i never saw they saying anything against  Axl' ideas. In another hand, the old band are always expressing the ideas, doing interview about new paths to follow. This kind of attitude shows strong 'personality' they know how to defend them ideas.  

See the difference, the new band are 'almost' more time in the street(1999 - 2008) as Guns N' Roses than old line(1985-1994).  And compare the number of interview of each other. And if you look the interview content is totally useless, abstract, nothing concrete about the chinese demoracry, sure there are good interviews explaing many things, but a few of them. I think who did a lot of contribuition was Bumblefoot when he entered, but it was a modern time(2006 - 2009)(replying email from fans).

So looking for the Axl' Side is more easier to 'handle' the new guys.

Accept the truth :)



 

You know, you don't have to use bold in every single word. And you're still full of it, accept the truth. ;)

I thought that you was myopic, for the reason I used a lot of bold.. :):):) :hihi:

what part of the meanbone post are you agreeing to?

you must be able to answer my question instead of d. point out where axl lied.

Plus axl isn't saying the entire world is against him and it's not.
Maybe Slash and his supporters which I understand you are one of, are, but don't exaggerate, they aren't the entire world.

Read carefully Axl isn't even saying he was faultless at that time.

The break up was unavoidable and not necessarily a bad thing. An Ending is a beginning.

I said this before and I'll say it again thank you Slash for leaving the band. : : ok:

But somewhat people who obviously weren't there still blame it and solely on axl, when in your and your friends theory everyone involved was responsible, right?
Who is their source?

I love the "passive agressive" attitude from Robin. He just said "Fuck it" and went touring and having fun with NIN.

It's a good article, though I feel Axl would be better served interviewing with Rolling Stone or Entertainment Weekly. That way, he can reach the largest potential audience and not have to answer the same questions in every interview with the smaller media publications.

100% in agreement about Slash. There's no question he's done nothing good since the Illusion albums, and Axl managed to get the very best out of him for those recordings.

While fifteen years was an obviously long time, in the end it's better to have put out something very good like Chinese Democracy, instead of putting out garbage every two to three years as Slash has since 1993.

riiiiiiiiiiiight


I love that he pushed axl to put TIL on the record

snap. and his stevie ray vaughn kind solo axl advertises.

I love as how axl's cool about Robin, bh josh and everyone except liars and slashers :hihi:

Trying to promote the new album by slagging off (rightfully or otherwise) the old band seems like a strange tactic.

It's a shame more time can't be spent establishing and discussing the new band than trying to bury the old. All this is going to do is stir up the same old Axl Vs. Slash bullshit and take the focus further off C.D.

And you don't think that's the whole point behind this?

If he was serious about promoting the record he would be keeping the music in the public eye. The lack of a music video for 'Better' pretty much says it all.

He wrote a fucking book that was mostly about GN'R and was supposed to "set the record straight".

 ::)



/jarmo

slash wrote nothing but lies and slander about axl in his stupid book.  he went out of his way to make axl look bad, and now he's getting his just desserts.  fuck slash.  fuck him in his lying, black heart.  he is nothing, and the only people who support him any more are only doing so to try and tear down axl and the amazing new music he's made.

OTT much?

Amazingly people can support both Axl and Slash!  :o

i for one don't support cancer.  it's eye-openning to see that you do.

To compare a human being to cancer is disgusting in my opinion. You are obviously very ignorant on the tragedy that cancer brings to peoples lives.

Idiot.

-1

Read our rules.


/jarmo

See, I find this hilarious right here.

Axl talking about Detractors and media and fans Building up HYPE. Here he is promising a SRV type solo from Robin.

I have heard Robin do live solos and on CD and I don't see how he possibly could pull something like that off. People have heard the great SRV play right? So when we do hear this solo and if it doesn't quite meet expectation, I guess it will be our faults again for hyping it up.


Jim Bob did make a good point earlier about being a fan of GNR in 2009. Problem with that is, People on this message forum think u have to worship 2009 GNR and think they are better than old GNR to be a fan.

I am a fan of CD and 2009 GNR but I am a bigger fan of the AFD/UYI lineup. So based on me liking the old band better, I am labeled as not a fan which is just ridiculous.

Its hard to be a die hard fan of a band that changes its lineup more than Garry changes usernames.

I think GNR are more of a NIN type band where its Axl and whoever is available to tour. How many bands do u know that aren't able to do anything even if they wanted due to most of the members having other commitments?

And that's the problem.

You're already saying he can't.

You're the one who's bashed the musicianship on CD.

No wonder they'll never be good enough.




Please explain. Who are these "most of the members" with other commitments that are stopping GN'R?





Which is how it's been since they played their first show in Las Vegas in 2000.

Some of the people who are on the album won't be available for touring. Obviously they can't bring everybody who's on the album on tour either.



/jarmo

Dude, he's only half black. And that's not very nice

this isn't the best interview... but it isn't that bad. Axl put up with like 10 years of people talking shit about him... give the guy 10 fucking minutes.

people won't be happy until Axl says "it was all my fault... i miss slash, i love him like a brother... i wish i wasn't so stupid... i can't write without Slash/Izzy... I am a failure. I apologize to everyone... I am a piece of shit, I need the old guns".

It pisses me off that no matter what Axl says... he's always seen as the asshole. ALWAYS. He can never do anything right.

Jarmo
Stevie Ray Vaughn is one of probably the 4 or 5 greatest blues guitarist who ever lived.

Putting that kind of pressure on a solo is gonna make it damn near impossible once again to live up to, just like how he talked about having "Big Guns"  and how these songs are only demos but yet the final versions weren't very different.

Could Axl play a gig tomorrow if he wanted to? NO he couldn't and that is the point cause since this band started every member has had so many side bands, I can't keep track.

Richard is out with Rihanna, Robin has been gone with NIN, Tommy has been doing the Soul Asylum thing.

you had 2 members, correct me if I am wrong releasing or working on solo albums while this album is released.

I don't think he meant that as a racial slap.

Though he is either super high or needs to get out more (isn't this the guy who wanted to abandon his friends for not liking n-gnr?)

/u can easily replace Axl's name with other former members and that is the way some see.

The truth is somewhere in the middle people. If you believe otherwise you are a fool.


This thread(and the one on my gnr 67+pgs) demonstrates why its in Axls best interest not to talk about the old band....assuming of course  he wants to move on.....

Yeap.

Unfortunately some people have some underlying personal bias (ie. backstage passes) or some sort of need for approval.

I have no problems with Axl sharing his side of the story

The problem is, he doesn't come off very articulate and it just doesn't help him.

If he would simply give his side of the breakup, calmly, reserved like he was talking on Eddie Trunk minus the bashes and insults and the slagging off on some of the greatest rock material ever recorded, people would be more open to accepting it.
Some minor bashing on Slash is fine. Calling him a drug addict, a liar etc. Fine, that is cool but when you start insulting a man's talent, that is just crossing the line. No matter what Slash ever said about Axl, he never tried to deny his talent and how amazing he is. Axl comes off like anyone could've been the guitarist for Guns and it wouldn't have mattered and that simply is not true.

He has a right to his opinion but I am here to tell you, Contraband IS a kick ass fucking rock N Roll record and the accolades it received backs that up. It is still one of my fave albums ever and I think the guitar playing kicks ass on it.


I guess the reason people believe Slash is cause there have been various other people with similar stories throughout the years. now is that a conspiracy?  Is everybody lying and only Axl telling the truth?  It also helps when you admit certain faults that you did have which he doesn't do except for saying he takes responsibility for not making UYI better. 

All I know is, Duff, Matt, Steven and Izzy all had no problems playing and collaborating with Slash whereas they all no longer wanted to work with Axl.  Now that is a perception that can't be explained by saying Slash is a liar.  There has to be something to that.

does that mean the breakup was ALL his fault. Absolutely not. I have said from day one I think everyone had an equal share in a lot of it. Problem is, everyone else has admitted to their faults except Axl.

excellent post...


Like I said yesterday....you have throw Axls circle of "friends" into the mix as well...what kind of advice is Axl getting over the past few years? A guy like Del should step up and start giving Axl some concrete advice. This isnt fukin rocket science.

Btw can we have Axl 2000-2006 back?
During that time Axl hinted about how he felt about the old band. Bt he never really dissed their talents and he certainly never attempted to divide the fan base. His message at that time was more along the lines of the past  is the past, lets move on. Ive been saying this for a few yrs now....when Axl came back in 06 he changed...just my observation

Another thing, About the guitar and the Hard Rock

Slash is a guitar player, And I know most guitar players, TAKE their guitars with them on road trips cause hotel rooms get lonely and boring and when you get in your hotel room, u play around on your guitar.

So maybe they saw Slash with a guitar case headed up to his hotel room and for whatever reasons they got freaked out when he probably takes a guitar EVERYWHERE he goes.

what was the guy going to do? run past security with a guitar, jump on stage and start acoustically jamming on his electric?

Please

Seriously.

You're just using the quote to put the band down.

"Robin does a really great Stevie Ray Vaughan-type solo "

Does it say it's as great as SRV?

It says type!






How do you know he couldn't?

First off, you're info is dated. You keep repeating it like it's always the case.

Like GN'R is just Richard's side project.

To quote Depeche Mode "Wrong!".

In case you've been in complete isolation lately, Rihanna isn't touring. She's got other things to deal with.


Stop repeating this bullshit that everybody in GN'R is busy elsewhere.

The only one who is scheduled to play with another band through the summer is Robin. That situation has been addressed by Axl already.



Can we have Younggunner 2001 back?


As soon as I point out the stupidity in your posts, you get defensive and start telling me to make up my mind and stop with the word games.

Well, haven't you noticed that people change?

Axl in 2006 wasn't necessarily the same person he was six years earlier.

Neither were you. Or I.

You want the old Axl back? Well, too bad Slash decided to put out a book in... Let's see.. 2007! Can you build a time machine and make sure it's never published?



By the way, if you want to compare, the 2006 Axl seemed to have a lot more fun than the 2002 Axl. Sorry.....




Yeah, selective memory.

Remember when he told a crowd about how hard he had to work to get those guys to record certain songs?

Remember when he said Slash was in his ass?






Funny how even Slash seems to think the guitar playing on that album is lacking....




D, nice of you to try to make this into a VR fan thread. What the fuck does Contraband have to do with anything?

GN'R never won a Grammy. I guess it means Appetite For Destruction can't be as great as Contraband!

 ::)


All this time you try to fool us into thinking you're a GN'R fan.

You're a fan of the old band, I get that. But to try to act like you're a fan of the current band, please.

It seems like you're a VR fan who enjoys some new GN'R songs.




Nice.



Slash showing up with a guitar is like an ambush.

"He just wanted to play and Axl said no!" Who does that make seem like the asshole?

That's right, the same guy you're attacking: Axl!




/jarmo

No, It isn't comparing CB to Appetite, but it just proves that he isn't some dude living off his past, wasting away his talents and not doing anything. You don't have that success by mailing it in and living off past glories.


I am a huge VR fan, that doesn't get in the way of how much I like Chinese Democracy cause I view them as separate albums. I don't feel I have to love one more than the other to be a fan of either.

I'd like some more info on that.

Did Slash have a guitar going into a hotel? Or did he have it around his neck at the door trying to get into the club?

Cause one thing signals another.

If he had it trying to get into the show. Yeah, that is fucked up

If people saw him with a guitar case in a hotel lobby, that is just being paranoid.

Rihanna's tour is ON HOLD. Once she recovers, she will be back out and guess who will be playing guitar?

Well you managed to mention all the accolades that album got. A Grammy Award is one I think?

Just saying, GN'R didn't win one. It's not a seal of quality...






Info on trying to act like a huge GN'R supporter when a lot of people see through you?




Paranoid or not, you didn't address what I said.

Answer this: Slash shows up in Las Vegas with a guitar when GN'R are about to play their first show without him, he gets denied to enter the premises. Who does it make seem like the evil asshole?





Please tell me.

Since Richard only had the February dates on his web site.



/jarmo

nothing wrong with that comment at all.

unfortunately if this is the theme that we are going to get in every interview then hes changed for the worse

Well if that's your opinion, I think you haven't paid attention.

Axl has always spoken his mind.

There's even a few lines about it on an album that was released in 1991.  : ok:




/jarmo

Yeah, I was joking. And I'm continually amazed at how pissed off people get over this.

Axl is generating the wrong headlines. All the focus is on old gnr and Axl and not the album and the new band.

Maybe that is his strategy but if he wants people to focus on the new era than hes doing a horrific job....and thats where his friends need to step up

There you go again Jarmo. Acting like the official Fan Club spokesman for GNR and like it is your God Given right to proclaim who is a fan and who isn't.

I am an Axl Rose fan. The guys in his band? I don't know them well enough yet to say that I am a hardcore fan. Just look at you guys on the site. A guy comes in, u guys act like they are the greatest whatever. They leave, new guy comes in, it turns into fuck the old guy and this new guy is the greatest thing ever.


I don't work that way. I build admiration for artists over time and by learning about them and their personalities as well as their music and how i relate to them. Seeing as we haven't been exposed alot to the newer members, I haven't developed that kind of bond with any of them.  I think Ron is a very talented, very awesome guy and the more time goes by and the more band stuff GNR do, I feel I could get into him, I like Tommy, I have always said pittman would be the MVP of the new members.

Buckethead was awesome.

I don't have much for Robin or Richard only because I don't like Robin's style and Richard just hasn't done enough to make me turn into a fan yet. he has some decent stage presence but that alone doesn't make me a die hard fan.


I just love the attitude that because I love VR and Slash and Duff etc etc, I can't also love CD and Axl.

I don't agree with everything my favorite band or artist does, doesn't make me less of a fan because I have my own opinions about things.

That's right, try to insult me when you got nothing better to say.

It's my opinion. Get it?


Just like it's your twisted opinion that SRV-type means it's gonna sound as great as SRV himself would've played it.

And Robin could not do that since he's not Slash (your idol).






And yet you act like you can judge Robin's still unreleased solos already by twisting Axl's words around...






No, that's not the attitude.

It comes from reading what you say. And what you don't say.

You don't want to spend any time on trying to understand Axl, while you have a great deal of understanding for Slash.



By the way, still waiting for the answers to my questions.





/jarmo

no, its new guys come in and we accept and embrace them as fans.   people like you would rather be a detractor because they are replacing your precious $lash.

Robin is my favorite guitar player to ever be in GnR.. that will not change even if he never plays on stage with GnR again.     And if he doesnt' come back, you aren't going to see me trashing his replacement because I happen to prefer Robin.  And I will have an open mind and go see them.   When did you go see the band D?



you can like whatever you like, but when you start bashing the guys in the band now and constantly bringing up ways to mention slash/vr in this section you come across like a troll.    This is about current GnR in the year 2009.. not that fucking top hatted asshole.

What questions? The guitar thing?

Slash shows up at a hotel with a guitar case, a guy Axl later bashes is one of the witnesses?

I don't get it

Did Slash come TO the venue with a guitar? If so, that was stupid and wrong of Slash and he is the dick for doing that.


If he just had a guitar case in a hotel lobby in Vegas and people got paranoid and freaked out, that is just paranoia.

How did I insult u by saying u trying to say who can and who can't be a GNR fan?

I don't have to prove my fandom of any band to anybody. I know how I feel about things.

If being a fan means I have to believe 100 percent of what Axl says, then I guess I am not a fan.

When he talks shit about Slash supporters without realizing that 95 percent of GNR fans still support and love Slash, that is just a bad statement to make and it only  makes him look worse in the public eye.

Says the king troll of the VR section.

Axl blamed EVERYBODY for having high expectations for CD. Blamed everyone else, blamed Baz for the 4 album comment when he himself made it WAYYYYY before Baz

now he comes on and makes a comment comparing a Robin Finck solo to Stevie Ray Vaughn. I am just saying, if that solo DOESN'T live up to that sort of hype, he only has himself to blame for making that statement.

It isn't bashing Robin it is being honest. To compare a guy's playing to SRV is setting the bar amazingly high and from what I have heard of Robin, I don't think he is anywhere near a SRV level.

That isn't necessarily a slight because there are very few people to ever pick up a guitar on that level.

So when that song hits, if the solo isn't great, it will be the fan's fault for having great expectations.  that is my point.


Yeah, its my fault that GNR canceled their Nashville show that I was going to go to

It is my fault they didn't play in Atlanta.

I'm sorry, is this a VR site?  Am I supposd to be a VR fan to be a member here?    Am I supposed to support GnR if I'm a member here?   There it is.

Considering u have more posts in VR than almost anywhere else............. just saying

I'll agree with this statement 100%.  I was a bit disappointed with how much time was devoted to Slash in this last interview. I think calling someone who was such a big part of your band's legacy a "cancer" is a bit of a slap in the face to your fanbase.

For example.

So you don't understand how it would make Axl seem like the asshole for refusing Slash onstage?

Poor guy just wanted to jam and evil Axl denied his request.

Who's made the victim and who's the villain?

Why can't you understand that?




You didn't, you tried.

By making up some kind of mocking titles when all I'm doing is telling you my own opinion.






I know how you feel about things too.

That's the problem.




And that number, which I don't know where you got, might not be what it is if it wasn't for all the bullshit.

Another reason, which you don't get, that might explain Axl's feelings.


He's been judged by people who believed all the bullshit.




Could you get back to me on the source you have on Rihanna's upcoming tour and Richard's involvement in it? Thanks.

You seem certain that Richard is dedicated to touring with her for a long period of time. Just curious on your source on that because I'm convinced Richard only tours with other acts when it doesn't collide with GN'R activity.



Again? Didn't we go through this already?

Why do you keep ignoring everything that's posted and keep repeating your lines?


Baz said they have four albums worth of material. Axl made comment that they don't have that much finished.

Axl saying in 2002 that they're gonna release an album, follow it up with another one and then hopefully a third one doesn't really mean that they have three albums done and ready for release!


You just like to take what Axl said and twist it around so you can point out how wrong he is.



Again!

Didn't I explain to you what "type" could mean?

What is it with you?

Why do you keep ignoring things?

You don't want to read my posts? Stop posting then.




If I say you use "Prince type" spelling doesn't mean I think you're Prince!




/jarmo

and when axl is honest he's bashing slash?

Is hard rock a hotel?

no i don't (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=5506;sa=statPanel)

stop making stupid shit up.  

even if i did, this isn't a VR site.   VR have their own forums and I don't go to those trying to talk about GnR in every VR related thread.

I agree with everything you are saying. Expect the Finck future solo. Axl is saying it's in a Stevie Ray Vaughn style. Hell one of us could do a solo of any style, shouldn't be compared because Stevie Ray Vaughn stold his style from Robert Johnson and Jimmy Hendrix and they stole there's from elsewheres.

But as far as everything else you are saying. Yes Axl was wrong for dissing on Slash this way. I mean he hasn't talked to Slash since what 1996? I'm sure Slash is a different character. If anything it seems like Slash grew up the last few years and hasn't taken the time to take shots at Axl like the past. Only thing is, Axl is taking the opportunity of doing it X10. It's really childish.

Make your opinion, fine, and use your side of the story but there is NO reason to run the other side down and discredit him and disrespect him musically. As a musician spitting on other peoples skills is a HUGE no no.

so a SRV type solo means what then? When I hear someone say "Such and Such song has a Hendrix like solo" U know what, My expectations are going to be pretty fucking huge. That is my point. Axl is building huge expectations for this now and I just hope it can live up to that, cause if we hear it and people are disappointed by it, it won't be our fault for building it up.


Your whole guitar argument though is based on a hypothetical situation

Slash didn't come into the venue with a guitar, Axl didn't refuse to let him play, so I don't understand what the point of that is?

Did Slash have a guitar trying to get into the venue? Or did he just have a guitar in a hotel lobby he was staying at?

U make it sound like Slash flew to Vegas for the sole purpose of ruining the concert when he was already there on other business.


If Richard isn't committed to the rest of RIhanna's tour, then Ok, i was wrong about that. Is Robin committed to the next NIN tour?

I just found it interesting that Axl really couldn't even answer questions about his own band. 2 drummers?

Jim Bob, I am honestly not trying to fight with you, but let me say it like this. I hate Van Halen and I hate U2 ok.

In Bad Obsession, i think i have maybe a post or two in each section

U have over 750 posts in the VR section

Im just sayin, I sure as hell wouldn't post 750 times about a band i fucking hate.

Theres been 2 drummers since summer 2006.   It could be either Frank or Brain.    Brain obviously has senority and played on a lot more of the album so if he wants to be a part of the band on the road, he will probably have that option.  


I don't hate them.   Not a fan really, but hate is a strong word.    What can I say?   Its a VR section on a GnR board and sometimes its best to argue with VR fans in their own section cuz I don't want to read about $lash when I read GnR threads.

Yeah, but what if Eddie or Bono had come to your house, shit on the floor, and killed your dog like Slash apparently did to some of these people?

Yeah, funny how that works.

People saying how much they dislike Robin's playing is just "their honest opinion" when Axl speaks out, he should shut up.

Hypocrites.




Well for me it could mean many things, anything from the emotion of the solo, the tone, the style, the technical aspect etc etc.

You just want to have another reason to be able to bash Robin and Axl.

"He said it was gonna be the greatest!"

We both know, you don't need Axl's help to bash Robin.

You don't like him. Period.

So instead of saying "I don't like this solo because I hate Robin", you want to say "Axl said it was gonna be SRV great and it's not, Axl hyped it up too much!".



And yours isn't?

Answer the question.

Who gets the bad press when your former guitar player shows up in the same venue where the gig is with a guitar and is denied entrance?

If you can answer that question, maybe you can understand the reasons behind the so called paranoia.

So far you've managed not to answer it.





You said he was!

And now you're saying you're not so sure.

So in other words, you're guessing and basing your "honest opinion" on nothing more than guesses.  : ok:


NIN is gonna tour with Jane's Addiction, since they haven't announced any line up changes, it seems reasonable to assume that Robin will do that tour.




Couldn't or didn't want to?




/jarmo

Killing my dog is where I cross the line.

I'll be back in a few hours to further discuss this.

so don't think I am running from the argument, I just have some stuff to do.


I just don't like seeing all these headlines "Axl Rose calls Slash a Cancer"

I just think that is going to  cause even more harm to Axl then it will to Slash.

Axl is brutally honest though which is a part of why we all are huge fans of the guy.

Just because I don't always agree with him, doesn't mean I am not an enormous fan

think of anyone u like or admire: do u really agree 100 percent of the time?  Think of your best friend, family, other friends, I don't think u have to agree with them about everything to love and respect them.

that is just what I am getting at.

I would love to see a stickied thread with all the lies Slash has said over the years about Axl. Just to refresh and get some perspective.

I didn't join this forum till 2003 and to be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot of interviews before that year. So if he really spewed some hate filled shit, I'd like to read it.

Why does it have to be hate filled?

You don't think he knows what he's doing?

He just keeps repeating the history as he wants us to remember it. No matter that it's not true.

That went on for years. In addition, stories kept changing.



And you still wonder why Axl isn't happy about the things said about him?




/jarmo

Axl is making the wrong headlines. The focus is on Slash and the old lineup and keeping the new band and album in the backseat.

That is just the wrong way to go if he wants to move on.

But he may not care because maybe these negative headlines will get people to possibly buy CD out of curiosity from all this drama. Id be interested to see how sales do in the next 2 weeks. Not that they will jump but they might bump up a little bit.

Its time for him and the band to start promoting this band and album....but I guess he cant because he doesnt have a lead guitarist to do so. Bucket and Finck have put him in a bad position

Is he lying in his book when he talks about the UYI sessions and how Axl wouldn't show up to them in Chicago or wherever it was?

What about hiring Paul Huge without getting the rest of the band's input?

I think Slash has his share of blame for the breakup and I get where u are coming from how he does make it sound like its all Axl's fault in some of those interviews.

So yeah,Axl does have a right to be mad.

I think he should've came out with his side of the story in 1997 though and shouldn't wait till 12 years later. that is my only thing. I've never blamed Axl entirely for the breakup, I do think he has some blame just like everyone else though, but I just think he'd get further addressing it in a better, less rage filled manner.

That isn't his style though, but this isn't going to help him or change people's minds.

Slash?

Lie?


Never.

Umm, do you think the opposite would've been better? "Axl says GN'R reunion might happen!"..


Last year I remember getting some shit from people because I removed a thread about "Axl meeting Slash in New York".

According to them, it really happened!

Maybe you don't like the headline, but hopefully it'll make that kind of bullshit stories and rumors go away once and for all.





As far as I remember, Axl did show up.




That's how you can look at it if you want to make Slash into the poor victim.

What options did Slash offer to the situation? Did he suggest any guitarists?

So Axl made a decision, turns out Paul wrote a bunch of material on Chinese Democracy.


It always easy to just say "didn't he tell the truth?" when you don't have to take anything into consideration.

Did you ever think that maybe Slash was comfortable with a band that had an unhappy lead singer?

Meaning, maybe he didn't care to try to fix any problems because he was hoping Axl would be the one leaving?

When that didn't happen, he left hoping Axl wouldn't be able to do anything without him. And would be forced to ask him to return.

This is the same guy who wanted GN'R to record his 12 Snakepit songs and when it didn't happen took off to do it on his own.




They had issues with their singer in their current band as well.




Well, to be honest, the others have been telling their stories since 1996....

Just because they did so in 1996 hasn't stopped them from continuing.




/jarmo

"He wrote that whole bit about not having his guitar in Vegas, I'd assume, to save face. "

What story is Axl refering to here? The two NY shows?



You're waiting for Jesus, like always :P

Just enjoy the band and Axl performing whenever it happens :peace:


Hahaha, always the best quotes at HTGTH :hihi:

 "There is the distinct possibility that having his intentions in regard to me so deeply ingrained and his personal though guarded distaste for much of 'Appetite' other than his or Duff's playing, Slash either should not have been in Guns to begin with or should have left after 'Lies.' In a nutshell, personally I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided -- and the less anyone heard of him or his supporters, the better."

Now that the conclusion axl's reached thus far is told,

I think it's time you decided which side you're on.

Surely you can like any band any artist but your liking their music doesn't mean you have to love them in person, right?
So you can like slash's guitar and not support his deeds.

Yeah no point in taking sides blah blah but if you are commenting on non musical aspects then there's no middle viewpoint between GN'R and the slashers.


unfortunate Tod crew, for example.

I never gotten into that whole argument thing.
Why I am here is because I love hearing Axl sing and watching him perform.

And of course because of the board. :beer:

Whats got me back into Axl was the attempt to explore and make new music, while keeping his own touch on it.

Do we really need a million bands playing the same music?
Isn't it enough with one oldguns, one Gorgoroth, one Buckethead, one Motley Crue, one The Prodigy?

Mindless entertainment and copycatting can be good too,-
But, I never had a real passion for a band unless it's something genuine the artist try express.


Sure, listening to Slash can feel good-
-but I'm not gonna comment much on him and his relationship unless they ask me :P

It's still great to see diferent sides of a story :peace:

Umm, did I suggest he say the reverse ???

How about his first come back interview he discusses his feelings of the old lineup, lays out his side, answers some follow ups  and then says from here on out that issue is off topic from his end? And then talks about the new band and the making of CD, the future, his goals, his views,the weather, etc,etc  in that same interview as well as any future interviews,,,

again, not that hard...especially for someone who knows how to remain silent on certain issues

He doesn't have to say the opposite for the headlines!

I thought you could see that.



Did you ever read any old Axl interviews?

Did you get the impression that he talks about what he feels like? Even if it means he won't spend the whole interview talking about his current album?




/jarmo

Yea but the interview would be a one time deal in regards to headlines. Axl has spoken 3 different times and each have produced these negative headlines. Plus he has never said hes done talking about it. In fact, hes always implying that there is more that will come out. Not good.

A one time, lay it all out, type interview would have been the best way to handle the past and then move on.

Can you stop telling me that Axl can do and say whatever he wants? Guess what...I already know that!

No one is disputing that. But with that comes consequences. We are trying to help Axl avoid some of those consequences

What are you, his advisor?

If I was lucky enough to have that oppurtunity we probably wouldnt be having this convo right now about all this negativity : ok:

Not good? In the sense that since you don't want to hear about it, it's not good?



Can you stop telling Axl how to conduct himself?




How noble of you.

Can you stop acting like some kind of career guidance counselor?

Always with the career advice. What he should do instead of what he's done/doing.

What makes you suitable for the job?



/jarmo

Yeah.... and I bet a famous musician gets bored in a hotel room let alone its Vegas  :rofl:  gimme a break Slash wanted to play, Axl said no and Slash looks stupid.

Who wants to hear about it besides hard core gnr fans? Will the avg grn or rock fan change their feeling about how they feel about the breakup of the old band?

Jarmo....NO ONE CARES...that ship has sailed.

naaaaaaaaaa

But but but... Since no one cares, why are there headlines on all major music web sites?  ???



/jarmo

Funny how people come here to defend Slash ! honest to god, the guy is a manipulator, liar, and is stuck in the 80's.  I prefer Robin's playing ! especially since he challenges himself to play diffrent.  Unlike Slash's recycled guitar riffs.  I believe everything Axl say's he wouldn't wait this long and just starting lying about this stuff.

Im talking about the fans. The majority of people think Axl broke up the old band and is a control freak. He unfortunately cannot change that. He is coming across as being a bitter person.

Hes better off just doing his own thing with the band and if people want to enjoy it, great, if not, fuk em

and Ill stop "telling" Axl what to do when you stop telling people what kind of fan they are, etc

Nobody cares. Right.

Here you are posting away... Obviously you don't care.


Stop fooling yourself. When Axl speaks, people listen.

Even if it means they'll whine about what he said, what he didn't say, what they think he meant when he said something or what he should've said.





And when I said similar things about you, you said I was insulting you.





A bit different.

I have my definition of the word "fan", you have yours.

Now, we both know you have no qualifications whatsoever to be managing Axl Rose's career from your computer desk. :)





/jarmo

Did I say I didnt care?

*Ahem*

God, I cant beleive this shit is back again.  The album comes out, and we are back to Axl vs slash for the 1000000000000000000th time.  How do you know slash is all that? I dont know either way.  Like Axl is perfect?  You dont know either one of them. I am happy you prefer robin over slash.  Doesnt change the fact that anyone even knows robin is because of the gnr name which SLASH was a MAJOR part of the success.  Like who ever you want.  I still dont know why we have to be on a certain side?  All I know is Axl is/was my favorite front man of all time.  When I hear all the classics, Slash was standing by his side.  He leaves, and all of a sudden his contributions dont exist?  Like which version you like.  You will NEVER change my mind, and I will NEVER change yours.

So what was the point in this interview?

Clearly it wasn't talking about Chinese Democracy, so what was the deal?

you know whats funny right now.that people bitch no matter what.when axl was silent they bitch no news ever.but now he opens up and gives a little more of himself to others.then you say he blew it with this interview and stuff negative.there was no real hope for a reunion ever i think.axl still needs to share his side still.if that is the case then so be it.at least axl is opening up.

Over thinking, over analyzing REALLY separates the body from the mind.

Axl has choose to communicate with Music.. he has given several inteviews, he has loged on this forum to chat with fans, and people had the chanse to ask him anything.. And now, after another interview made public, people are acting like this is his last, and critizise his way of doing it.. overanalyzing everything, and jugde his way of expressing imself... GnR fans may have patience and love for the band, but some are really troubled also...

ALways the same stuff.


When the album wasn't out, you guys were complaining about it.

When the album came out, you guys were asking when a dvd would come out, and when Chinese Democracy 2 was coming out.

When Axl doesn't give interviews you guys are begging him to do so.

When Axl DOES give an interview (and every time he does) you guys are whining about the fact that you don't like what he says!



One sentence is right for you.

GET ON BOARD OR FUCK OFF!

Jarmo, don't waste your time...;)

Maybe he just felt like getting some things off his chest? :)



Talking of headlines: Guns N' Roses reunion? Axl Rose says heck no. (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/02/guns-n-roses-re.html)  :D




Discussing with you is like talking to a rock.



At least the rock (not the "actor") is consistent in its beliefs instead of flip flopping every hour.

Wanna talk about how Axl's not focusing on Chinese Democracy again? Oh wait, then you agreed that recording the album and actually releasing it requires the artist to focus on said album. But you said he wasn't....

 :rofl:




/jarmo