Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I have had this masterpiece for 3 months now, and I still listen to it every day!

Same here, i can't get ennough of it!

and I'm still finding some new wow moments on it like every listen.

So do I!!! It's really ALOT you get for the money of only one CD. :)

i still get goosebumps with every listen.   :D

It's is amazing how deeply the release of Chinese Democracy changed the world. It feels like GN'R never broke up and alternative music never even happened. Everywhere I look I see Axl and Guns N' Roses.

I listen to it everyday.  I feel like we've accomplished something every time I play it

Me too. I'd love to see a BD version so I could hear it completely uncompressed I couldn't imagine what else I'd hear!

you're being ironic, aren't you?

what's amazing is that it'sbeen 3 months and still no "monumental campaign".  it makes me wonder why a record label and a huge chain of electronics stores couldn't/wouldn't promote this great album in any way!

I guess is a "monumental "We dont give a shit'' campaign"

damn i got enough of it after about 3 weeks in my truck listening to it every time there was a comersial or a shitty song on the radio, then i'd switch between them and ACDC and UYI and Metallica and KISS and now i really only listen to This i Love Ryahd SR and a few others.......or shuffle or whatever :-\

Axl Rose is the Beethoven of Rock music! I've never loved any music this much for so long!

Yea, I am on this train. Every time I listen to this I feel so triumphant. It is very inspirational. The fact this actually did come out, against so many dickfaces giving me their bullshit about Axl. Most importantly it is really about as close to perfection as maybe any album has ever come to it. I haven't been this way about an album since I discovered the Beatles. The music is becoming such an important part of the fabric of my being.

Great great shit. Everyday I gravitate to the things that make me happy. And listening to Chinese Democracy just makes me happy.

If i could imagine any album, it would sound an awful lot like Chinese Democracy.

3 months in and this gets played every day. It's not the only thing i listen to like it was at first, but not a day goes by that i don't listen to it in entirety several times.

Unfortunately, for me CD has not aged very well. In the beginning it got me really excited and couldn't get enough of it. But after a month or so it got old really fast. Actually I haven't listened to it in the past 50 days at all. However, I hope that after some time I will listen to it again and "re-discover" it : ok:.

I love this album, but have begun to slow down my listening habits. Trying not to prematurely burn out on it.

YEAH

I still finding new great elements of this great album.

Yes its an awesome CD..But i think its a shame alot of people dont know about it yet..Im yet to hear 1 new song on the radio here in Aus and we still dont have a music video yet!!!!!! :peace:

Well, it's certainly a good album - I still listen to most of the songs fairly often (the last half of the album, not so much).  I don't think I've really changed my mind about much, there's still some songs I don't think should have been on there, I still think it's too long, and I still think that the best songs on it are brilliant beyond description (bar the first wee bit of Street of Dreams). 

I have listened CD almost every day for these three month and every day I like more. I am really happy because I have been a fan of GNR for the last 22 years of my life and Chinese Democracy has made me proud of it.

Same here. And the funny thing is : before BBF joined the band, I couldn't bring myself to care about GNR. When he joined in 2006, I started to check the new band, stood up all night to have the chance to see both Rock in Rio and Inland Invasion streaming live on the intrawebs, began to like both the old and new material and to wait for Chinese Democracy. Now that CD was released, I give it a spin on a daily basis and GNR is my second favourite band ever ( 1st one being NIN ). Can't wait for a tour and for the opportunity to see them playing live.  : ok:

I listen to at least some part of it everyday. I really think it's an under appreciated masterpiece (so far).

The album took far too long to perfect.  Its too big and epic for me, I just want some cool rock tunes and chinese doesn't really offer that to me.  Sorry to say but I don't like the album all that much.  AFD is still far superior to anything any of the members of GNR will ever create.

Although im happy that it makes all you guys happy! :)

Really? Its too big and epic for you. You like simpler things and nothing to big that might offer you some kind of challenge. So, I take it you are about this for other thing too. For instance, are books like Kryptonite for you? You probably don't like the Godfather, or 2001. You probably didn't like The Dark Knight too much either. You are more of a Charlies Angels kind of guy. Maybe you should avoid the Watchmen next month. You should hit Blockbuster and rent Garfield instead.

Had the same reaction when I first listened to NIN's "The Fragile". Thought it was overwhelming, didn't quite understand it. Now, it's my favourite album.

Give Chinese Democracy another spin, it will grow on you  : ok:





...or not.

So if someone does not agree with your thoughts about CD then you have to flame him and start taking the piss?  The guy has been fairly honest and fair about his opinions and has given his owns views whilst respecting the views of others.  Something that you seem incapable of......

maybe the guy just likes his rock music without the strings, more akin to AFD, Lies, and most AC/DC stuff. I can see what he's getting at. He doesn't like that grand self indulgent style, that isn't a reason to bash him

I am one of those who still listens to this cd all the time. I'll listen to the radio for a while (my beater car only has a radio, so i get plenty of it in that one), or i'll listen to other cds, but then i feel like i'm just ripping myself off because i still love chinese democracy so much and it's within my reach. When i pop it back in it's like "ah, that's better". I play it in the house, on jukeboxes at bars, at work... I've had plenty of cd's over the years that i absolutely loved and played the fuck out of them when i first got them but i generally get burned out on them in a few weeks and put them aside. I've never had a cd that kept me coming back to it like this one. It is amazing to me that i still hear so many new things after listening to it so many times now. I really like turning people on to the new music because i have my favorite parts so i'm like "now check this part out" and i'll crank up the volume on a section of a song. Or i'll be like "wait until the guitar solo starts at the 4 minute 23 second mark" or whatever. People think i'm a bit obsessed with it, and i am!

thanks Axl!  : ok:

Strings and attempting to do amazing and new things with music is no reason to bash it (ie, calling it self-indulgent)

its nothing visionary thats for sure. I think it was 1991 when GnR first tried strings out on the UYI albums, thats a long time ago. It was dubbed self indulgent at the time, and i still think it is, but i love it, and think the songs are all the better for them.

as for "attempting to do amazing and new things with music", please feel free to discuss these amazing new things.........

Havent listened to it since early december.

Im sorry but how was the guy bashing it?  He was giving his own opinion on the album.  Sure, I dont agree with him, I love the album but I respect his views and right to say why he doesnt like the album.  I wouldn't normally post in these types of threads but it seems that certain people on here cannot accept when a person posts something that questions the greatness of the album.  Some people need to accept that CD is not EVERYONE'S cup of tea and that a personal view is not a paersonal attack on all things GNR.

If the guy had posted without giving clear reasons as to why he didn't like the album then fair enough, question him.  But this guy didn't do that...

I still love it.  It's the first record of Axl Rose in fifteen years.  :peace:

Self Indulgent is so overused and misused you should probably think about what you are really trying to say before you say something like "Axl is being self Indulgent" in regards to the music he has crafted in Chinese Democracy. I mean, isn't everything that you do to handle your business and are creating something for yourself, being self indulgent. Art usually is self indulgent. Its not like Axl is singing in the lyrics "Yo, this is Axl Rose and I will fuck your ears with this awesome shit and Slash is my bitch you punk motherfucker!"

... I know I had more of a point... fucking monday.

Not necessarily....

of Guns N Roses. : ok:


thank you very much! I'm happy too that the album surpassed their past classics for me.  :)

I listen to it about once a week now.

It's certainly better than either of the Illusion records, but it's difficult for me to refer to Chinese Democracy as a Guns N' Roses  album, especially with no set lineup at the moment.

As time passes, I wish Axl had just renamed the band with a twist on the GN'R name- the way VR did.

I get your point. But I meant, altougth it sounds a bit strange, I was expecting what Axl Rose had for us. I am an old GNR fan, I already knew the projects of Izzy, Slash a Duff and I had enjoyed theirs work, but you know, this time it was Axl's opportunity but he likes take his time....well, finally he released his Chinese Democracy, and I still enjoy of it.  : ok:

The more I listen to it the more I love it. It just took time to move away from Illusions... You know we had to wait too long... I'm getting attached to it.

I love that it's one of those albums that gets better with age.  I feel like the album evolves as I listen to it.  I've been comparing the album to a lot of albums from last year...and even the ones I liked don't have the depth or complexity to them taht Chi Dem has.  I love the Beck and Metallica albums...but every song sounds too similar.  Almost like the bands are just playing the same song over and over...with slightly different pacing.  But in ChiDem, each song is its own sonic landscape.  You can tell that there was a conscious effort to make each song special.  It's nice to listen to something like that.

"AFD is still far superior to anything any of the members of GNR will ever create."

You know, I think this is my big problem here. Right here. This mentality and this sentiment. This goes far beyond just letting someone have their opinion. Yea I got it, everyone has a right to their opinion. Now that I got that out of the way and the squares can pipe down and firmly take Mr. Politically Correct's cock back into their mouth, we can talk like grown ups (fuck you squares are annoying).

Think about this again. Let's break some of this shit down. Quick List;

Slash's Snakepit
Albums 1 and 2

Duff's Believe in me

Velvet Revolver
Albums 1 and 2

Fucking aye. You mean to tell me, that you would lump, Chinese Democracy... Chinese Democracy, you would lump this album in with this group? This company? Really. To you, these albums rank about the same, as Chinese Democracy. They are about as Guns N' Roses sounding to you, as Chinese Democracy. Is this a joke? Whoever thinks this needs to put on a safety helmet as soon as possible. My inner old school rocker heart wants to take the face that had these thoughts, or ones similar to it, and beat the shit out of it.

You belittle Chinese D, making a blanket statements like this just know something. That there is a fan of Chinese Democracy who wants to kick your ass, and put my foot up your horny dad's ass, for getting your mom drunk the night they made you. You are all going to hell.

Its a fucking record ..as Axl said.. cool your heals there boy. Its great, for sure, still not everyones taste. Its all good budda! :)

3 months of listening to a good album I say !!


hey fuckhead..... who are you ? people have their own opinions..deal with it. 

Nice way of contradicting yourself.......

Here's my opinion: CD is still fresh from the first day of its release. I can still listen to this cd once a week and still get rocked out. It's been a very long time since an LP / CD which is full of everything you expected from a complete work of art from the beginning, middle and end. It's got it all. Great rock songs to bang your head! Great conceptual topical songs that pertain to what is going on now. And some great compassionate love songs. Hands down the math was calculated from every area that makes a great album. (I still wait to hear some other artist to top Chinese Democracy as an overall well rounded album). Hey when you hire Axl Bond to get the job done, he delivers his 007 Guns and a stem of Roses.  :smoking:

I don't listen every day but it is in my rotation. I have to agree with the person who said at least all the songs are different. It's true that when you listen to a CD, a lot of the songs sound the same maybe some variations in the chords. I still wish there were more rockers on this disc but I am getting warm to some of the slower tunes. Still love the rockers the best. Very motivating for me.

I totally agree! I have fallen in love with music before, but it usually only lasts for a month or 2. If I don't get some CHinese Democracy every day, I go into withdrawal.

Its still in my car cd player.

I've been listening for the last couple of days

The leaks definitely took a lot away as I can't imagine how much I'd still love this CD had I heard it all fresh.


That being said, the songs I still listen to are:

Shackler's
If The World
Scraped
Sorry
Catcher
Madagascar
This I Love
Prostitute

Rest I sort of skip over right now

and after not caring much for it, I am starting to finally get into IRS somewhat

GNR= SERIOUS FUCKIN BUSINESS!

You know that I, got under your skin...

How very cool. Its so great to make a point, and rather then giving a counterpoint, only my attitude and the way I chose to phrase my statement is being argued.

Listen, I fucking love the fuck out of Chinese Democracy. Someone wants to say some shit about it then them be fighting words. If you are of the opinion that Chinese Democracy isn't that great, then you can take your opinion and shove it up your ass. You see, last I checked this is Guns N' Fucking Roses. Some of you have been so pussified over the years, its sickening. "Everyone has a right to their opinion Buddha, fuck you!" Boo hoo, sounds like baby needs its bottle. Tell that lame PC crap to your daddy's. I am sure he will impressed with your cunning mental prowess. What, did your balls drop off?

I wish i was a tough as you Buddha. At the last GNR concert in Vegas this really mean girl kept flipping her hair in my face. Now I wasn't about to give up my front row spot in front of Uncle Axl. I asked her to stop and she was very rude to me. I almost bust into tears. My friend Sam said that she would have said, "BITCH get your hair out of my face or I'm cutting it off!" Sam reminds me of you! I am happy to say that I stayed in front though.

I am real bad with names, didn't we all party in Vegas? Were you there like at Rainbow and the hotel room? Fun fucking night. That chick was a bitch about it? Damn. I have to say at every GN'R show I have ever been to, the real fans have been cooler then any I have ever met from any other band. I never had a bad experience with other real GN'R fans. That sucks.

No, alas we did not meet. I am really small with long blonde hair and a somewhat clueless expression. 95% of the time I meet super cool people at GNR concerts who are very protective of me.

Wow, I wonder why that is  ::)

Chill out Buddha.. we're all on the same side here.

Dude, I am. I'm just having a little fun on here. Nothing I have posted on here, was done in anger. I am just talking shit. But out of respect to you Chief, I'll go play somewhere else tonight.

I listen to the CD" Chinese Democracy" everyday and it sounds great...

 :) :) :)

Ive cut down on listening to CD latley, probably the last month or so. I think I burned myself out on it.

Im giving it a break for a while. I know someday soon I will have the same love for it that I do for AFD and the others.

..and I still listen to it everyday :smoking:

Yeah, and depending on how you listen to it, you get different things out of the listening.

Like notice new things in the songs...




/jarmo

I haven't played it in a while, now that the hype is removed and its soaked in, an updated review is in order.  I like looking back and seeing if I still agree with original thoughts. 

still gives me chills hearing the album. i zone out thinking it's not real sometimes.  :nervous:

ME TOO! It almost sounds like the end of the White Album, you know like when you did some psychedelics, and you feel like you just experienced death in a really positive way, just curiously taking in the experience with open eyes digging all the stimulating feelings and visuals. Its like you have listened to a bunch of music in your lifetime, but you sit there dumbfounded having trouble comprehending how this piece of music was created.

That is so profound. ::)

Oh so you aren't experienced, got it.

Oops I missed the part about the psychodelics! :hihi:

Uh yea lady. And believe me at the time, that experience was very profound.

the more I listen to the album the more beautiful and stronger it sounds.

I feel that the whole album's filled with sincere love for music, for the band and for the fans.

the more i listen to the album, the more it makes me hate people who don't like it.  it's like... whoa, could music get any more amazing than this?  definiately and album that gets way better with each listen -- and that's coming from a guy who LOVED it the first time. 

I don't hate the people who don't like it, I just don't understand how they can be so clueless. I totally agree with the rest of your post though. :beer:

"This I Love" is a sure bet every day since Chinese Demoracy was launched :peace:

And I can't stop to listening to it! Every day, every time, it's an emotion. And it seems that I can always discovered something new, a voice,a note, a sound that I have not heard before. I adore it!  :love:

i think i've listened to it almost every day since i first bought it and it still amazes me. yesterday i was coming home from college really late in the evening and i was listening to CD and i was thinking how mind blowing it is to have a cd with such great talents on guitar such as ron, bucket, robin and richard, and how surprisingly good paul tobias songwriting skills are according to the credits.

this is nothing short from a master piece.

today i found myself trying to learn sorry, scrapped and chinese on guitar, and they are all absolute brilliant. now i think i'm gonna try to get the bass line from catcher cuz that bass just speaks so clearly in the song to me that it makes me wanna play bass.

:)

My favorite songs have changed several times through listening to it so much. I never liked Riad since the first time they played it here in Detroit in 02 but now it's my favorite song on the record.

How many agree with me that Better is still the best song on CD ?

I do then again playing another cd song I go it's the best... :P

and it's gonna be some time before they're gonne hit the road.
tour has been posponed.


Guns N Roses Fall From the Kobetasonik

Last Tour International, the promoter of the festival Kobetasonik, yesterday threw earth illusions of all who were pleased by the visit of the band Guns N 'Roses to Mount Cobeta, concert that, even when it hadn't been officially announced, it was assumed closed for Saturday June 20 from over a week ago when it was unveiled to the public by newspapers, televisions and radios. So the company said in a statement issued yesterday: "It is true, as several published media, negotiations were well advanced to bring Guns N 'Roses andalusia Kobetasonik. However, the band has finally decided to postpone their European tour and will not be possible to act in our festival.

On the same note, if officially confirmed by other groups that were revealed at the same time it launched the name Guns N 'Roses: The historical Journey, San Francisco; swedes In Flames, Laura Harris, daughter of the bassist and founder Steve Harris of Iron Maiden (and who played the Bilbao BBK Live 2007) Machine Head Californians and Buckcherry, arriving with the new disk. The press release just adds a new name, the Gipuzkoa Ekono 'active from 1994 to 2003, returning after six years of silence, says the note.

They join those who were well advanced before: M?tley Cr?e, Marilyn Manson, Dream Theater, Trivium, Anthrax, Dragonforce, Hatebreed, Cradle of Filth, Papa Roach, DevilDriver, Gojira, God forbid, and Idi Bihotz Crucified Barbara.
The promoter is now trying to find a replacement that will fill the hole left in the cartel Kobetasonik by the band Guns N 'Roses, which was preceded by the critical and sales success obtained with his latest album,' Chinese Democracy.

The difficulty lies in the competition especially in Zaragoza, which has scheduled its Metalway for two weekends, June 20-21 and 26-27, the first such agreement with the Kobetasonik. The bonds remain on sale at 85 euros and are awaiting the announcement of the missing groups

I read something of a review that I'm not even going to put a link here because of what it said:
"Axl's CD bombed". It's amazing that it's free for critiques to write non-sense like this. What is disturbing is if Axl and company gave up all their rights to this album and gave it to the music industry to promote you'd probably get some fantastic reviews and 'their' promotion. Talk about sitting in a Chinese Stew...: )

Last week I had the opportunity to crank CD on my professional sound system. (Usually I'll listen to my music at a normal considerate volume because I live in an apartment complex and the walls are thin. But my two new neighbors who live below me have no consideration for me or our neighbors and like to crank Hip-Hop. I love allot of music and I am a musician and my ears are sensitive. To put it bluntly I don't like Hip-Hop. (Sorry Hip-Hop lovers) So after being subjected to this jungle-music I couldn't take it anymore and had to resort to my GUNS!!!! So with a wide smile on my face I placed Chinese Democracy into my cd player and cranked my stereo really loud (Twice as loud as my neighbors below----revenge is sweet my friends!!!!) My living room became a small-rock-club and witnessed the power of this cd screaming from my stereo system. Even played at these volumes the cd sounds so-------$%#@ good I was getting goose-bumbs and the hairs on my arm were standing up. I even found myself singing along with Axl on both rockers and the ballads on the top of my lungs!!!! On songs like CD, Shackler's Revenge, Catcher in the Rye,Scraped, IRS were like having a mini-atom bombs going off. The ballads like Street of Dreams, If the World, Sorry---just seemed to melt the worlds sickness into the sea and drift away.
Needless to say halfway through the album the Hipsters below me stopped playing their music and retreated!!!!!  :rofl:

GREAT STORY!  :beer: :smoking:

Up untill recently, I had to shelve it for about a month - Was playing it too much and needed to give it a rest

Happy to report, that a month later, it sounds better than it did before

@ Bitch Slap Rappin well done you got a great shackler : ok:
an eye for an eye, an ear for an ear and good loud music for halfassed noise pollution.

Ok, It's been 4 months and I still love it.  Can't wait to hear these songs performed live! I HAVE A DREAM to see GNR in concert this year! Sometimes I feel discouraged, but it's gonna happen! :smoking: :beer: :love: ;D :D ;)

It will happen this year. No doubt about it.

Still the greatest record ever.

YES! YES! YES! I was so tired this morning I forgot to turn on the car radio, and I'm like, why is it so quiet? Duh I don't have on any CHINESE DEMOCRACY!

Revenge is the sweetest thing!  :rofl:

It's 5 months today, and the music still blows me away.  The only thing that has changed is that SORRY has become my 2nd fav song behind TIL. :peace:

A month from today the Best Buy exclusive supposedly ends.  Here's to hoping we see some plans spring into play leading up to that.

Same here,really great record......

but,still waiting for video :'( :'(

I agree, I love when people act like this album is so advanced.  its a good album, thats about it,  What is so amazing and mind blowing?

What about a MAINSTREAM album full of songs with solos with killswitch and fretless and still catchy as hell? And what about an industrial flavor combined with hard rock sauce and amazing vocals?

I'm sorry, but it's been a long time since I listen to an album with so many layers, new and fresh guitar sounds and unbelievable vocal performance - all this with catchy melodies and strong potencial to singles - in a mainstream release.

Considering that Chinese Democracy has been available on iTunes and was recently released in the Rock Band 2 game, what "plans" do you think the BestBuy deal are stalling?  ???

yea afd was so amazingly advanced and innovative wasn't it?

@GypsySoul, I'm not saying the Best Buy deal is holding anything up.  BUT I would hope there'd be a bit of an added push when the album is made available everywhere, not just at one store (in the US) and on itunes.  Also in his online chats, Axl did mention that things in a promotional sense were intentionally planned for further down the road.  Rock Band is certainly a great start, there's no denying that.

@ppbebe

point taken. it wasn't visionary or new. It was 2 guitars, bass and drums, simple. nobody is saying otherwise.

same with CD. it has drum loops, some keyboards, strings......alll these things have been done before but it doesn't take away anything from the album being excellent.

for any musician to be truly innovative or visionary these days, i think they would have to invent a new instrument, or make music from weird things like pot and pans, or derive a new technique like (guitar taps, pinch harmonics etc.).....and make it sound like a great tune.

Chinese Democracy is a masterpiece. In ten years it'll be considered alongside Who's Next.

Yeah, cool.

I agree, its an album that will stand the test of time.

To those who complain that it failed because it did not go multi platnum in the first week or go #1....Just look at the movie industry, lots of shit movies make tons of money, but they are not masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination. Music is getting like that.

I can't believe that 6 months has gone by and I just love this CD more and more. :D

its been over 6 months....may 24, 2009 right now!
so the bestbuy-deal ended yesterday? chances for proper promotion might have grown significantly over night  :D

the gnr myspace still says only at Best Buy, so the deal didnt end yet, maybe is more time, a year or forever, I guess It doesnt matter anymore.

nah a friend of mine just took it off the "main display" at the record store he works in.

mmm ok, but seriously, whats the diference?, they will tour, they will promote it?, they will relase a video? nah...dont think so, they didnt even answer the quetsions they promise for the fans.

Blame it on the fallon gong, they seen the end and "they can't hold on" :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :hihi:.  Think maybe they may be working on all of the above mentioned, and probably a little less interested in fan questions at this point, If I'm not mistaken, I recall them being answered by
Axl himself  ::) :P.

something with the BestBuy-deal must have gone so outta line resulting to less promotion for "such" an album. and if BestBuy has been the main factor for this....well the deal just ended may 23, 2009 after 6 months, right? so it might be easier to load their guns again now  :)

Yeah, is the record available in all american record retailors as of now?

Got a credible source for this?




/jarmo

That was just a rumor.  There are no signs that the deal is done with.  New releases come out tomorrow in the US, but I'm sure we would've heard something by now.  Unless Merck is running things again and it'll just pop up in record stores without any mention.

there have been numerous 6 months talking and wasnt that some standard deal 6months with other bands? after all only a rumour then??! hmm......how to verify when we aint told anything? when cd is available in every US store are we then right to assume the BestBuy-deal ended?

I believe the rumor originated in an interview with Richard Fortus on a St. Louis radio station.  A month or so before the album's release he said that it was a Best Buy exclusive that would probably run for 6 months.  I think everyone ran with that story, but ultimately it appears it isn't so.  I think we will know when the deal is about to expire, at least I would hope so.

what faldor said.
unsure if it's still exclusive or not but
cd is still the best seller @
bestbuy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17080&type=page&lcn=Music&sc=musicSP&st=processingtime:>1900-01-01&usc=cat02001&cp=1&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&nrp=15&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~ccat02001%23%230%23%235cvq~~nf207||4344&pagetype=listing)


hum?

Umm, maybe by assuming nothing has changed until you see the opposite?

Until you hear/see that the Best Buy exclusive has ended, assume that it hasn't....





/jarmo

do i have to feel sorry when i'm looking forward to the end of the BestBuy-deal when all leads to be "more freedom" in Guns land after?? nah, come on! and then why not quote it all, Jarmo:


thats an answer i'd like to know!
and -off course- fans should just not assume much or expect anything from this band but we can express our feelings that the BestBuy-deal somehow was shitty and things should be better after that. just because there is hope in there doesnt mean its negative!
but i see you, Jarmo....thats the danger we're getting into, right? when that BestBuy and the new guitarist werent the only main issues for the lack of proper cd promotion there is a realistic possibility fans starting to wonder even more whats up when the BestBuy deal ends and no significant changes happen in the near future. and no, i really wouldnt like this to happen.

thats just speculation; and what does the best buy deal ending have to do with promtioning the album :-\

That's the thing. Until you see that happening, just assume nothing has changed.

When/if that happens, maybe then you can start assuming that something has changed.





/jarmo

Axl doesn't seem to have any heartburn with the BestBuy deal ..... but maybe he was just happy for me that they sent me all that FREE $$$.  ;D


From The Billboard Q&A:  Axl Rose

My roomate works in an independent record store and they've actually had it since January.  They just took it off the main display a few days ago.

Yeah, they've imported it themselves.

I've seen the album in multiple record stores in the US.





/jarmo

The Virgin Megatore in Orlando, FL was selling 'CD' on vinyl a few months back.

I've also noticed several obscure record shops carrying it as well.

isn't it naturally more costly than domestic one?

I don't mean to moan, but would it really hurt gnr to give us some sort of update about the current state of play ie- Best Buy deal ending/ re-release with different covers that Axl himself alluded to/ summer tour?

I really think the counter argument to an update that fans will simply twist shit and make assumptions and end up criticizing gnr even more cannot be applied here.

Perhaps Uncle Axl could re-visit a forum or two with some more questions answered, or at least the most pertinent ones.

I was just at my local Best Buy a couple of hours ago....still plenty of copies of Chinese Democracy to be had. :-\

6 months after Chinese Democracy is released.... is interest in this band at an all-time low?

There is nothing Axl wants to tell us at this point or he would be doing so.  

I would say yes, sadly. There seems to actually be less interest now than in the years leading up to C.D.

sure seems that way...

People just don't seem to care the way we all hoped they would.  All the best buys by me have hundreds of copies of Chinese Democracy in stock...

I know that since it's an exclusive, and a big one at that, there should always be plenty of stock, but not like this.

It would seem that, unless your a hardcore GNR fan, you probably dont know who this band are.  Or unless you read music mags.

I went to a Best Buy on Memorial Day. There was probably 40 copies sitting on the shelf.

And if there were 5 copies sitting on the shelf and 35 hidden in the basement, that would make a difference?  ???

Considering they sold 600,000 out of the 1.5 million that Best Buy bought, is that any surprise?

Sadly, you are probably correct.  The prospect of CD, as well as the intermittent tours, was what kept most people interested.  Now the album has come out, the people who cared bought it (or downloaded it), the way it was promoted ensured that people who weren't particularly interested never became interested.  There is no mythical new album on the horizon, no tour, no word on what is going on.  So naturally, interest will be low.  When they announce a tour, or when there's some indication that the next album may be on the way, interest will pick up again

No doubt.

Sad but true

For those bitching about sales, CD has sold close to 3 million worldwide so far...

Strike that, that was in February, so it's probably well over 3 mill. by now! : ok:

While that might be true, and don't get me wrong, I'm ever the optimist.  But I don't think it's sold very well as of late.  In fact, I'd go so far to say sales have pretty much come to a screeching halt, especially in the US.

What makes you make that assesment? Not that I care about sales, but perhaps they will improve when the album is out of Best Buy's hands?

Well I know for a fact it hasn't sold well in the US recenlty.  It dropped out of the top 200 a couple months ago at least.  I'm not sure about the worldwide sales of late but I'd venture to guess if they were selling well we'd have heard the numbers by now.  Ever since the 3 million mark was mentioned awhile back there hasn't been an udate.  Again, I'm just guessing, I don't know for sure.  But if it had crossed the 4 or 5 million mark we probably would've been alerted.

And getting into more stores than just Best Buy would help sales a little, but at this point there needs to be more than just the CD being in stores.  I'm not that wrapped up in sales either, but without a significant push sales won't improve much.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't 3 million plus be considered pretty good sales after just six months?

I'm not disagreeing, BUT most of those 3 million were from the first couple months.  Now obviously sales are gonna drop off for any album, but the dropoff for this album has been pretty dramatic as far as I can tell.

ıt has sold 3 million copies worldwide  14th selling album of 2008 (even out at the end of november).. both platinium in US and Canada..ıt has sold more than 1 million copies all over Europe and won the European Platinium Award..ıt has sold more than 150 k in japan..Here are the some certifications below for the album..


CANADA                   PLATİNİUM STATUS
ITALY      PLATİNİUM STATUS
AUSTRALİA               PLATİNİUM STATUS
NEW ZEALAND   PLATİNİUM STATUS
FINLAND                   PLATİNİUM STATUS
U.S.A.      PLATİNİUM STATUS
EUROPE       PLATİNİUM STATUS
POLAND                   PLATİNİUM STATUS
ARJENTINA   GOLD STATUS
COLOMBIA   GOLD STATUS
RUSSIA      GOLD STATUS
JAPAN      GOLD STATUS
GERMANY      GOLD STATUS
HOLLAND     GOLD STATUS
BELGIUM      GOLD STATUS
DANMARK    GOLD STATUS

Those numbers are fucking sick!!! 8)