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a while ago i saw a bunch of forums bout other bands vs GNR but im askin the ? u guys might have been thinkin which is better between these 2 of the greatest bands of all time

duuhrr GNR maybe :hihi:

wasn't the frontman of zep, i mean the guitarist in this particular case, as 'sloppy' as Robin?

its hard 4 me to decide i mean Led Zepplin was one of like the godfathers of rock but GNR changed things big time when they came out but i think GNR wins by a Rose

I enjoy both. And though as much as I like GNR, Robert Plant may be the coolest frontman ever. :D

But asking this on a GNR forum may produce some biased answers... :P

yeah u probobly right bout the answers

Led Zeppelin

Led ZeppElin

Led Zeppelin.

Led ZeppElin.


Jimmy Page is the best blues-based guitarist ever.

Bonham is the best drummer ever.

Plant is/was a golden god.  Mesmerizing voice.

Jones was the glue holding everything together.

This thread should not have even been created.  It makes GN'R look bad.

Led Zeppelin is sure one of my favourite bands. It's true, they are one of the godfathers of rock n' roll. True legends.

But of course they are not better than Guns n' Roses and Axl Rose is the best frontman ever  ;D

Every current and past member of GN'R would answer it like this..

"Oh jeez are you kidding, Zeppelin"

Only because they were the pioneers of hard rock and excess.  A lot of what came from Zep was from the lifestyle, the first known to the public heathen rock band.

GN'R took the mantle from Aerosmith and ran with it.  I'm pretty sure no one has taken it from them yet.  I'm still waiting for the next great hard rock band.

The best band and the most influential band are two different things. That said im goin with GNR

Brain said cd would make gnr's Zeppelin 2.  8)
he had a band called Ted Zeppelin.

Baz described axl on the road as one man Zeppelin.

never really crazy about Zeppelin.  I mean I like them, they are ok,...always thought Aerosmith was better, Guns N Roses beats both of them though...

I like Zeppelin a lot, and I know it is one of GnR's influences, but I still prefer Guns.

Led Zeppelin has introduced me to blues, and I love their attitude, had great times listening to them and I know their first albums are masterpieces, but Guns is about my life and the life of many of us in this forum. We breathe GnR and we can't just deny our passion because is correct to bow before Led Zeppelin as the elder. Zepp has no special meaning in my life while Guns has a deep significance. I'm thankful they existed to influence Guns n' Roses though.

About musicians, Zeppelin guys are known to be way better musicians than GnR, it's true, but remember Axl is a genius and could've had his own Led Zeppelin if he wanted to. Even better than the original. He's just gotta find the right musicians, the perfect chemistry.

I don't know about you but I can state that Guns n' Roses is the Led Zeppelin of my life, and the only Zeppelin of our times.

Guns n' Roses is the greatest rock n' roll band that ever existed, hands down. 

BULLSHIT.

I agree with lynn1961   :P  :smoking:

I second that...

Apples Vs Oranges...

Zeppelin played the blues fused with bluegrass and Rock n Roll

GnR Has played Metal, Country, Blues, Folk, Rock N Roll, Punk, and all other brands of rock....like Axl said "We're Not a Metal band, We're a Rock N Roll band and we're gonna play everything" and that they did

 :peace:

Led Zeppelin managed to cover just about every single musical base between them and do it well.

Blues - You Shook Me, Lemon Song, How Many More Times
Hard Rock - Whole Lotta Love, Black Dog, Rock & Roll, Heartbreaker, The Ocean, The Rover, the list goes on
Folk - Bron Yr Aur, White Summer, Bron Yr Aur Stomp, Stairway To Heaven
Acoustic - (Entire LZIII), OTHAFA
Reggae - D'Yer Maker
Southern Rock - In My Time Of Dying, When The Levee Breaks
Ballads - The Rain Song, All My Love
Classical - No Quarter (Live)
Funk - Misty Mountain Hop, The Crunge, Trampled Underfoot,
Punk - Communication Breakdown (practically invented it)
Psychadelic - Dazed & Confused, No Quarter,  
and a whole ton of other, weird stuff.  

and tons of other varying styles, wheras Guns N' Roses excel at hard rock and ballads, but are not so good at other stuff.  So Gnr beats them for those, but for the complete package, zeppelin wins hands down.  

Also, the strange track on their third album (Hats Off To Roy Harper) is way better than gnr's strange track at the end of their third (My World).

Also
Plant <- Rose
Page <- Slash/Finck (not so sure about page vs bhead/bfoot though)
Jones <- Mckagan <- Stinson
Bonham <- Everyone

Zeppelin weren't a power trio! :P

The best things that can be said about Led Zeppelin are that they were dated 70s cock rock and the best damn rip-off merchants that ever strode the globe.

Lol sorry meant jones.  One of the great multiinstrumentalists.

cant say cause zep paved the way for future acts like gnr!!

Third!

Zeppelin is great, I love them, but Gn'R is the best band, ever.  End of story.   ;D

I mean, they are, unless you wanna start getting objective and reasonable about it.  Then the question is kind of silly in the first place.

Zeppelin is so prolific, it's hard to argue with.  I personally like GNR more and listen to them more, but Zeppelin pretty much tops all.  They managed to do something very difficult, which is to be popular while also being extremely innovative and talented.


 :rofl:  It's called the blues.  I'm always finding that some song I love is an old blues number reimagined.  How can you look at the original version of "When the Levee Breaks" and argue that Zeppelin just "ripped it off".  They're nothing alike. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ0eZiarvEE

It's like saying Clapton/Cream's version of Crossroads is a rip off of Johnson's Cross Road Blues.  Of course it's the same song, but they're very different.  The blues is constantly reinvented.  Acoustic to electric, southern to Chicago, Delta to rock n' roll.  I suppose you could argue that all blues is a "rip off" in that same sense, but I'm more inclined to think the rip off is paying $12 for some corporate pop crap being shoved down my throat.  If someone can take the blues, which has been done so many times, and make it seem original and interesting...well, that's impressive, and it's exactly what Zep did (in addition to pursuing a number of other musical styles). 

as much as I love GnR I have to give the nod for Zeppelin.  Going thru the band members:

As good a singer/songwriter/lyricist axl is; Plant during his Zeppelin years was better......he basically wrote stairway to heaven in one session

Though slash is my favorite guitarist, he can't really hold page's jock in his prime; and please don't bring in any member of the current band and compare what they did with GnR to what Page did with Zeppelin

and as for duff/steve vs bonham/jones-thats not even a comparison.

That's not even looking at their body of work.  People think GnR toured alot and that the UYI tour was long.  That tour doesn't hold Zeppelin's jock for  the amount they toured from the release of Zeppelin I to Houses of the Holy.  If you look at the number of shows they played during that time period it's astonishing how much they were on the road.

Anyone not picking GNR should be kicked off this site.  LZ is the worst most overrated band EVER.

i can get the overrated bit but the worst? don't you like rq?

i'm going to have to say that G'n'R have this one. Personally i think that Zeppelin was overrated a little back in the day but they still are a pretty cool band.

:peace:

Over rated and worst band well Zep are one of the bands that if they didnt exist we wouldnt have our GN'R today.

You must like Robert Johnson. Mr plant has stated that but for robert johnson and the devil, zep and the likes wouldn't have existed.

Led Zeppelin allllll the wayyyyyyyyyyy.

do you post at any zep forum? I don't.

say there were a gnr gig and a zep one tommorrow,  the former one would be my pick.

GN'R all the way
I like Zepplin, but nowhere near as much as GN'R, nor as much as most people seem to

Why would I?  They aren't active.

I'd pick Zep, for I have seen Guns four times.

Not a Zep fan


GNR way more dynamic

better vocals, better lyrics, better guitar riffs/solos

LZ have the drums but thats bout it

LZ has them beat in all those categories.  GN'R is my favorite, but come on...some of Axl's vocals are downright embarrassing.

Not really only one song he did that i dont like My World it was a crapy song.

You don't have to go very far to find another embarrassing song, in fact, it's track #5 on the same album.

Everything Zeppelin did was gold.

 :beer:let me clarify I was talking about Axl Rose not Zepplin there but I have to side with GN'R but I still give Zepplin props they were one of the godfathers of Rock N' Roll!

O and man I personaly love Get in The Ring its not a bad song good guitar rifts unique lirics and a good rithum whats wrong with that.

It's not a song I would play for my friends.

When I fighting with my friends we put on Get in The Ring all the time or when were playing rugbe. So GET IN THE RING!!!!!!

No.

What other songs GN'R has made do you have a problem with???

so you must know everything zep had done.  :hihi:

name your top 5 zep songs and 5 least fav ones.


I'd take the 5th GNR show over a zep one night stand reunion without hesitation.  :hihi:

I don't have any least "fav" songs.

My top 5, not in order.

1. Immigrant Song (that song got me into Led Zeppelin)
2. Achille's Last Stand
3. Out on the Tiles
4. All My Love
5. Kashmir (live)

That was harder than I thought.

after watching "Sherk 3" movie?

What?

that's Achilles, as in Achilles(') heel or tendon. name of a greek warrior in the trojan war.

TBH, if I had to choose between Zep and GNR, I'd choose LZ. Not a slight against GNR but it's Led fucking Zeppelin isn't it? Fucking yeah man.

Even though I wasn't asked, if I had to choose my top 5 LZ songs, I'd probably go for:

1: Sick Again
2: Down By The Seaside
3: Out On The Tiles
4: Houses Of The Holy
5: Dancing Days


Impossible to narrow it down though. Everything they did was great. Except Presence. :P

What's your fucking point?

You of all people should not be correcting other peoples' spelling or grammar.  Your posts are barely comprehensible.  You make Timebomb look like a Rhodes Scholar.

And your reason to be rude is...?

It wasnt a big deal to overreact like that.

and  does that have anything to do with your mistake? hell i thought you did mean a name 'Achille'

how would i know it was a spelling mistake? especially by such an excellent writer like you? ::)

Whether i'm a good speller or not, the fact remains the same. it's Achilles.
The point is that zep songs are often about legendry or fantasy. Adventures, magics, the bright side of life.
Those are poetic and florid and maybe escapist. They had the alchemy. That's all good.
But when people faced up to the harsh realities of life, arty crafty masterpieces might have sounded too affected and irrelevant.
 Then punk came in. and the established became 'old wave'.

GNR took the good points from both. 
It's my belief that the GNR contributed to zep and the 'old wave' s being cool again.


No wonder I can read timebombs posts mostly all right.   :hihi:

if you couldn't comprehend my post,
you could have said so on the spot pointing out the odd lines or words, instead of using that as an attack against me randomly in here.
I'd appreciate it. 

Unlike lies, honest mistakes aren't disgraces. I wouldn't be ashamed of learning.

I'd easily take GNR over LZ

I don't care what critics or what have you tells u is better

to my ears, I'll take GNR easily

Axl lyrically and vocally > Plant

I'll take Slash's leads over Page's solos

Jimmy Page's solos do absolutely nothing for me. Like Joe Perry it is just a bunch of whatever

Slash makes u feel something in his solos that not many can do.

AFD>any LZ album

And I don't care what any "fellow GN'R fan" tells me.

I can give you ten bands that are better than GN'R right off the top of my head.

List 10 bands better than GNR

Beatles
Rolling Stones
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Aerosmith
The Who
Metallica
Black Sabbath
AC/DC
Bon Jovi

Honorable mentions to Van Halen and Bruce Springsteen.

They're two very different bands. LZ tried their hand at more different styles than GNR, GNR are generally 'heavier', they're from different decades with different influences etc.

I could enjoy both equally for what they are/were, depending on what mood I'm in.

And I'm no musician but Jimmy Page's solo in Sick Again is quality. ;D

Bon Jovi are my favorite band ever with GNR and Prince but musically and complexity, GNR blow BJ out of the water. same with AC/DC

The Who I have never liked

Pink Floyd are fucking amazing but Axl once again for me is the wildcard there as his voice is better than Gilmours and Waters

GNR do have some duds don't get me wrong "Anything Goes, Shotgun Blues, Get In The Ring, You Ain't The First, Back off Bitch, My World

But every band have some clunkers here and there right?

^Hey! Those songs you listed are great! :D TBH, I like all GNR's songs to some extent, with the exception of TIL, which hasn't really done much for me.

I'm not so keen on some of the stuff from LZ's first album or Presence, but their back catalogue is bigger and explores more ideas than GNR's. To me, they make up for some of their weaker moments by simply having lots of good-to-great stuff.

 :confused: you prefer these bands to GNR? Gnr is not really your favourite band after all.

You must be posting fan forums of those active bands, yes?

Tastes differ big time but Gee, i'd rather see a Hawaiian dance show feat. del james than some of your faves.

^Those are all important and respected bands (maybe not BJ :P), some of whom influenced GNR. But I guess tastes do differ big time....

Guns N Roses is not a dead band but an ever growing and evolving one.
For that and for the sincerity in the works, GNR is above all.

Are you kidding me?  Do you even read my posts?  Or only half of them?

I've said many times that GN'R is my favorite, but putting my blind love for GN'R aside and looking at the issue subjectively, those bands are all better than GN'R in many facets.

If you're not going to add anything, go off and do your math equations.  1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1x4-16/2= 8

8!!!!!!!

MOTHERFUCKING 8!!!!!!


D, Gilmour's voice is so awesome and smoothing.  Axl's voice is like a mix of a coffee grinder and a garbage truck engine in some places.  Like I said, it's not about "who" you like (no pun intended), but what these bands have offered throughout different eras.  GN'R hasn't influenced anyone good.  GN'R has 4 and-a-half albums of original material.  That's it.  They aren't active enough.  They have always had a hard time writing songs.


I think I have made myself clear.  To most of you anyway.


I forgot to list Queen!  Yes, Queen should be in my list somewhere.  They are definitely a better band.

Just to clarify: when I mentioned about those bands being important and respected, I was responding to ppbebe's comment about rather seeing the Hawaiian dance show feat. Del James, not knocking the list. Just in case it came off that way. :)

are you actually the rob guy?
no admittedly i don't read many of your posts.

So, you are saying you like gnr the best thinking its not as good as so many bands. doesn't make sense to me.

On what can you base your judgements about music objectively?

^I think he's saying that bands like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Zeppelin, Sabbath, basically most of the bands in that list, have had greater success and more influence on music than GNR have (which is hard to argue) but GNR is still his favourite band musically.

And who's Rob??

Who the hell is Rob?

Led Zeppelin is obviously a great band, but they don't have the same affect on me as GNR

Greatness is a subjective term. When it comes to music, you either feel it or you don't. I don't care if a band invented rock n' roll, sold twenty billion records, or performed a show on the moon. If I don't feel a connection with them then it's irrelevant.

Thomas?

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That'd be more successful and older bands, not necessarily better ones.

Seeing as how it's obvious that zep has sold more so far and been celebrated as a pioneer in hard rock this thread can't be  about  those aspects. Everyone is talking mainly about the music. For that reason I even restricted myself from bringing up axl?s fashion sense that inspires many top designers of today.

Eric Clapton: Me and Mr. Johnson
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Led Zeppelin?s ?Stairway To Heaven? vs. Spirit?s ?Taurus?
That?s right, the laudable gods of British Rock, the progenitors of arena heavy metal, the guys who make our tight pants look like JNCOs, did a little creative appropriation. Spirit, a late ?60s California acid band who toured with Zeppelin in 1968 and ?69, released a self-titled album featuring not only their hit ?Fresh Garbage,? a song that my dad has been known to cite as one of the great unsung classics of the era, but the spacey track ?Taurus.? This album came out a solid three years before Led Zeppelin IV, which features the quintessential rock ballad ?Stairway To Heaven.? It?s no surprise that Stairway was played backwards by youth in the early ?70s, who heard satanic messages and subsequently began slaughtering their neighbors. What is surprising, though, is that the intro to ?Taurus? and the intro to ?Stairway? use the same basic guitar melody. Jimmy Page must have been taking some notes on tour, and the rest is rock n? roll rip-off history.

Either way Led Zep is and always be an innovative and legendary Rock/Blues Based Band.  They did use Blues and Jazz riffs from others but put their own sound to it.  I used to and still listen to them constantly.  Kasmir?  WOW!

I love Led Zep but head to head with GnR, I would give the nod to GnR for my own listening pleasure.  I wish GnR covered Some Led Zep songs honestly and who knows, they may because they are a currently evolving band with some talented new faces to create new and cover music. 

I would in my opinion have GnR in the top 5 trumping :Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi and Later Sabbath sans Ozzy, although they have put out some good songs w/o Ozzy...I guess The stones since Some Girls but I'll give them Emotional Rescue and Tattoo You.  Everything sounds the same really?  But that's my opinion...But as overall successful bands of course the Stones have done more. 

AC/DC and Metallica have been consistent in putting out good stuff.  There will never be another Beatles period.  The Who are basically semi retired.  They did some tremendous stuff but I think GnR may have the advantage???  Debatable? I would say yes.  They were always considered a kind of underground or fringe because they were up against the Stones and Beatles.....  Same with Floyd some of their stuff was way out there or real mainstream.  Some say the same about Sabbath because of the dark light that they were viewed in.....

Again the time line of all these bands is paramount to who is a better band really.  Who really knows what we'd have w/o Sabbath, Zepplin, The Who, Stones and of course The Beatles....  As for who followed all of these bands and had more influence??  I doesn't really matter because it's a matter of taste, age, time etc...

In this post I have just picked different posts and arguments to lay my own out w/o quoting.  IDK really why should anyone care what anyone's personal preference to music is?  In reality it all good and we all enjoy listening to a whole lot of different stuff and where it came from and where it's headed.

Wearing underwear on stage?

Fish net tops?  Kilts?

Axl was a walking fashion disaster.  Why would you even bring his wardrobe into a debate about music?

Keep digging that hole there.

it's about the influence and i said i didn't bring it.  ::)

I'm still waiting to see who he could have influenced with his garish outfits.

go see fashion shows or read vogue.

Thanks for another hearty dose of vague.

You lose.

Thats fucking crazy stuff Led Zepplin dosent let people use there songs alot and they let the Shrek movies do stuff like that when they should let stuff like Rock Band and Guitar Hero use there songs...

But when you look at the rise of both bands there are alot of simualaritys between the two so its a hard call which is why I made this thread but Im going with GN'R becouse well I like the band a bit better and the music too.

You are right though its about what you get from the songs they made and if your into it then I salute you.

Someone forgot there crack pipe before posting.

Gawsh j-dizzle, u r ril-E smArtur then I giv u creditz 4.

lolwut?


Anyway, odd to see that this thread has turned into a discussion of Axl's fashion sense (or lack thereof at times). Plant definitely beats Axl in the 'looking cool onstage' category, surely the most important category when comparing two bands.

again tastes differ. Givenchy, Versace, galliano Alexander Wang  etc wouldn't agree with you.  8)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOzLwIr1RNgbkcb1POT0-QmDE-rgD992M7JG0

http://www.vogue.co.uk/fashion/show.aspx/catwalk-report/id,7473



you lost.

 :rofl:Nice :rofl:

Garry

no offense but you have lost your mind.

Axl running 100 mph and still singing, his dances, rants from the stage etc. he had a very interesting wardrobe that only he could pull off.

What the hell does Robert Plant do onstage other than sing that is awesome?

Axl looked cool onstage just from his wild fucking energy. CLothes don't make u cool onstage, its your attitude and how u rock the shit.

I don't think any frontman had the stage presence of Axl back in the late 80's early 90's.

Axl had/has a different kind of cool than Plant. Axl is more of a "dangerous, I'll rant all motherf#!*&$ night if I want to" kind of cool. Plant had more of "calm and collected" cool.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3370/19930713photo08.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6082/robertplante.jpg)
I like both. 8)

Lost it a long time ago.


Very nice.


He doesn't have to do anything other than sing!  You watch those old Zeppelin tapes, the man just exudes awesomeness.  Substance over style.


If he didn't have his wild fawking rawking energy, where would he be?  And you just said he had a very "interesting" wardrobe.  Like when I read a horrible paper in school and I don't want to be mean, I call it "interesting."


Nope, no frontman did.  He was king of the mountain in the time of Jani Lane, Sammy Hagar, and Kurt Cobain.  Such stellar competition.

With all that said, Led Zeppelin > Guns N' Roses of all eras and lineups.

Holy crap!!!!!  I urge everyone to look at those links!!!!!  Laughter is the best gift, thank you ppbebe!

Some character was listening to GN'R during his productive session, and somehow or another Axl had a direct effect on fashion!!!!!  And the other one created a checkered shirt that is a tribute to Axl.

I dedicate my next bowel movement to Axl Rose.  It will be the greatest bowel movement of all time.  This next bowel movement will influence future bowel movements.

True thats why I favor Axl here.

it could have been even more embarrassing...Axl could have been riding a giant inflatable penis on stage..

all that crap aside, GNR are still the better band.  Heavier, better hooks, better solos, better everything.  Now I don't take drugs and Zeppelin was a big stoner band, so I am missing out on that aspect of it...Without Zeppelin there probably is NO GNR though...so that leaves us right where we started...

i doubt 5that. sure some songs by gnr would have sounded a bit different but zep isn't the only influence or the only good band from that era. 

Both bands have their own great contributions to the hard rock audience. I like both Zepp & Guns. Both bands were outlaws of the music industry as far as allowing the industry to shape them. Both had a huge impact on their audience but in different eras. I am a huge Zepp fan and the bands that came out of the 70's that ruled the music business. Early Aerosmith; Deep Purple and groups of that category were not posers and offered great rock & roll music with the heavy edge to it.
Than the eighties came in and there were an over abundant of heavy-metal bands that were certainly posers in my opinion. Most of them were over-blown by the music industry and the path of those bands went left to what great rock music was about.
Than....................one day a new signed group appeared on MTV that basically went back to the authentic formula of gut wrenching hard rock that was prominent in the 70's. That band was G&R.
When I saw the two videos) Welcome and Sweet -----that was it for me. They basically put those hair-bands in their place real fast.
The funny thing here is that G&R was drawing their style and authentic overall sound and attitude from Led Zepp; Aerosmith and the hard rock bands of the 70's but also adding a sprinkle of the edge that punk music offered. So it was a marriage of those two that set G&R apart from all the other heavy metal bands that were basically Bon Jovi-Poison-clone bands that saturated the radio and MTV. Some groups may have had one or two good songs but really if any of those groups were indeed something that would be listen still today was a fairy tale unknown to them.

As far as Led Zep. Many radio stations and every generation that came after their generation are still getting turned on by Led Zep. Let's face it. Zepp has a huge catalog of songs that offer different styles of music for the general public to love.

I wish that the original G&R members of the band had not been crushed so hard by the weight of sudden fame that broke their brotherhood as a band. If they had not have to experience the fast pace fame they might of stayed together and released five more lps to further their catalog of songs in comparison to Led Zepp.
For me G&R was the American Led Zepp; The Doors and Aerosmith/Lynerd Skynerd of the late eighties early nineties.

All we can do now is wait for the next unknown rock band to pick up the sword of rock and proclaim the thrown of ROCK :smoking:

My dream is to actualy be a part of that band to clam the rock n' roll throne...

for me gnr is becoming the american beatles. Not the sound or style wise no way but the evolution wise.
the difference is that Beatles lived and changed in a short period of time when rock music was growing fast. Rock Bands then were trying to create something new and inspiring each other.

out on the tiles is so underrated; as is gallows pole

There are so many great songs. 

Haha, American Beatles.  The Beatles were four guys releasing great music every year.  And their lineup never "evolved"  :rofl:.

Beatles > Guns N' Roses

Actually, the Beatles > anyone to pick up an instrument over the last 50 years.

already explained that they are in different times.

there're always cause and effect.
pop/rock/contemporary music keeps pace with the times but its pace isn't always fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoF-7VMMihA
beatles as a boyband of 4 in 1963
but, probably it was in the forefront of rock in roll then.

what's remarkable about beatles is that thay didn't rest on their initial huge success but kept evolving by absorbing influences from their contemporaries, as well as from exotic music and traditional music. they weren't ashamed of learning.
like guns n roses. :smoking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBJj10rYmdg&NR=1
sgt peppers one and only (so many) lonely hearts club band. 1967 
i could spot mick jagger. they aren't wearing uniform anymore in there.

different look, different sound.  thanks to the psychedelic movement and flower power, the people and things at that day.

from wiki
"Beatles producer George Martin stated that "Without Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper wouldn't have happened... Pepper was an attempt to equal Pet Sounds." After Sgt. Pepper was released, Beach Boys' leader Brian Wilson was so despondent that he went to bed for months."

and

"Upon release, Sgt. Pepper received both popular and critical acclaim. Various reviews appearing in the mainstream press and trade publications throughout June 1967, immediately after the album's release, were generally positive. In The Times prominent critic Kenneth Tynan described Sgt. Pepper as "a decisive moment in the history of Western civilization". Others including Richard Poirier, and Geoffrey Stokes were similarly expansive in their praise, Stokes noting, "listening to the Sgt. Pepper album one thinks not simply of the history of popular music but the history of this century."

"One notable critic who did not like the album was Richard Goldstein, a critic for The New York Times, who wrote, "Like an over-attended child, "Sergeant Pepper" is spoiled. It reeks of horns and harps, harmonica quartets, assorted animal noises, and a 41-piece orchestra", and added that it was an "album of special effects, dazzling but ultimately fraudulent" . On the other hand, Goldstein called "A Day in the Life" "a deadly earnest excursion in emotive music with a chilling lyric", and that "it stands as one of the most important Lennon-McCartney compositions, and it is a historic Pop event."

did they stop evolving after this huge artistic achievement? no.

"One rock musician who apparently did not like the album was Frank Zappa, who accused the Beatles of co-opting the flower power aesthetic for monetary gain, saying in a Rolling Stone article that he felt "they were only in it for the money". That criticism later became the title of the Mothers of Invention album (We're Only in It for the Money), which mocked Sgt. Pepper with a similar album cover. Ironically, when recording of Sgt. Pepper was completed, McCartney said, "This is going to be our Freak Out!", referring to Zappa's 1966 debut album, which is considered by many as the first rock concept album."

"Within days of its release, Jimi Hendrix was performing the title track in concert, first for an audience that included Harrison and McCartney, who were greatly impressed by his unique version of their song and his ability to learn it so quickly[citation needed]. Also, Australian band The Twilights ? who had obtained an advance copy of the LP in London ? wowed audiences in Australia with note-perfect live renditions of the entire album, weeks before it was even released there."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edhifzxSfPw
cool ass.

back to the topic, zep didn't change from the start to the end much as beatles did. most bands don't. wouldn't dare.
guns n roses does.

fans of michael jackson, prince and zep may disagree but thats not nearly the most outrageuos statement or opinion I've read on this board

I have no idea why you would post a whole biography on the Beatles when you are supposed to prove to me that GN'R is better than Led Zeppelin.

I am still waiting.

They don't play Zeppelin at sporting events. Maybe at a Lord of the Rings convention.

Uhhhh, Rock N' Roll?  Immigrant Song?  Kashmir?

You must not watch a lot of sports.

Nice reply.

You got me on that. I don't watch a lot of sports. Stairway just makes me think of Lord of the Rings.

I think you're on this site too much to be so gung-ho Zeppelin.

I have no idea what that means.  But I keep hearing it from everyone.

From a musical standoint, people are going to have their own opinions, which no one else can argue with. I would expect the majority of people on this site to like GNR's music more.

If by 'better', you mean which band has had the greater success and influence, Zeppelin winds hands down.

True but I have heard more Welcome To The Jungle at sporting events well then those three combined.

True but I just made it for the music but Led heads do at least have that huge influence and well success even if there not active...

damn garry, you've only started listening to Led Zepplin two years ago and you prefer them over gnr  :o :o :o :o

craziest thing I have read this year..The Beatles werent even the best band of their generation (Stones) let alone the last 50 years. :hihi:

I prefer beatles to rs for the same reason i prefer gnr to rs.
everyone likes at least a few songs off any post rubber soul beatles album. if they hear it that is.

listen to the second link in my beatles heavy previous post.
If it still doesn't impress you, well that's a matter of taste.

either way you must love sympithy for the devil!!!

hmmm i dont know Garry, remember at the Adler show when you were on stage and tracii guns started playing in front of you and at the end of the show you told me you didn't know what he was playing and i had to tell you he was playing led zeppelin, then you said oh that was led zepplin  ??? ... :confused: :confused: :confused:

George Martin was the fifth beatle.  and people on the sgt pepper cover were all included in the only lonely hearts club band. even rs.

that's why beatles is huge. they were inclusive.

rs choose fans. beatles didn't.

izzy said 'rock sucks since sex pistols'. john lydon said with sp he didn't mean that. He didn't intend to kill anything. He'd rather open then close. And that's imo what gnr's doing and Beatles had done while they could.

People that don't stop learning are ultimately for the win.

I like the jimmy page quote that states zep was alternative at that time.
From what i can gather, the classic hard rock sounds from the 70s weren't exactly the mainstream when gnr released afd and brought them back. Had gnr not made it or not been influenced by those old bands, maybe most of us wouldnt know of zep.who knows.

it's not a whole biography. i posted that because I consider gnr as the latter day Beatles in the making.

zep sound is always heavy even when they took up reggae or james brown and gnr is more diverse. Zep songs are fantasy while gnr is more close to home as already mentioned.

Besides, you never know what are up gnr's sleeves.
GNR is there still growing while zep's been long dead and stopped growing when it started. zep's said to be the only band whose early days live were never improved on by themselves.

zep truly was a rock and not roll. They were even called as a fossil after punk took over.

To be fair, LZ made the choice to disband.

Plus, they weren't "always" heavy. Just listen to Led Zeppelin III. ;)

Thats funny stuff man!!!

You can't really have listened to led zep properly.  zep songs are fantasy?  Just like GnR, most of their songs are about life stuff, they just don't use such in your face lyrics.  Drugs, Girls and partying are probably the two main topics (babe i'm gonna leave you, heartbreaker, dazed and confused, the lemon song, since i've been loving you, whole lotta love, etc).  I agree there are a certain number of fantasy songs that are well known (namely Immigrant Song, Stairway To Heaven) but they are relatively few, despite the reputation. 

You've obviously trying to call led zeppelin predictable, but you can't compare them to gnr in that respect, you weren't around back in the day were you?  Led Zeppelin pulled unprecedented moves like not releasing singles, and releasing an album without any reference to themselves on it whatsoever (let the music do the talking) or after two albums of bludgeoning hard rock, releasing Led Zeppelin III, an acoustic folk album.  Or despite being the biggest band in the world, a band who had the self respect to realise that carrying on without a central member was pointless, and call it a day. 

How is this even a criticism?  The band, led zeppelin, are no longer together, so how would they be growing now?  I don't see your precious beatles growing much these days either.  At least led zeppelin have released some awesome posthumous material (Led Zeppelin DVD, HTWWW).  And I don't think many people say that they didnt improve live, most people say that '71-'73 were their finest days live, after three years of solid touring.  And there was definetely major development from Led Zeppelin I to Physical Graffiti, and then a synth album (very ahead of its time).   

I've heard people say that led zeppelin had no groove, which is what i assume you're trying to say.  Again, wrong, just listen to The Lemon Song, What Is And What Shall Never Be, The Ocean, or Rock and Roll.  As for being called a fossil, so what?  Indeed, there are parallels to be drawn with Guns N' Roses and grunge.  And a lot of punk people (e.g. Joe Strummer of The Clash, Brian James of the damned) were big fans of Led Zeppelin.  And punk was half invented on the first zeppelin album, with communication breakdown. 

So, that is why Led Zeppelin are better than Guns N' Roses. 

Aren't those also fantasy? fanciful stuff. And what's wrong with fantasy in art?

I enumerated the general differences for comparison. quite roughly cos I didn't think anyone would like to see a book of my rambling on zep. Or would you?



sorry but zep wasn't the biggest band in the world then. What can be up zeps sleeve when it's no more? Nothing.


 

Yea how can it be criticism when it's not.
You could have read my other posts in this thread.

'71-'73 are their early days. it is said by the people who followed zep realtime


yes you're really assuming. That's a phrase from stairway.


why should you skip a post before it? ??? or rather, why did you skip all my other posts in this thread?


Naa. that's why GNR is better than any other band right now.

Mmmaybe not so stately as their previous albums but I feel the sounds or the beatz on there still weighty. Like dragging led (pun intended) weights with shackler or dancing in armour. By heavy I don't mean heavy metal heavy. Their most lilting piece off the top of my head is night flight.

I don't think it's wrong for a band to everly sound so led heavy. It's fantastic to see the leaden object float in the sky in the music.

yea i say gnr is the best band and still I wouldn't say what music is better. It depends on the mood.

You obviously have no knowledge of music.  And now you keep contradicting yourself.  Slamming fantasy, and then being for it.

Please spin your Ting Ting records and let the grown ups talk about music.

When is jdog gunna' start a Pink Floyd vs. Gn'R thread?

I dont know has that been done cus there is a lot of threads like that but we all know the winner from that match up!!!

We could just have one big "GNR VS. ...." thread like that Bon Jovi one. :D

what about pf vs zep in obsession? i don't know much of pf.


yea
your constantly resorting to personal remarks is very adult.

I didn't contradict myself cos I didn't slam it and you knew it.

I simply can't understand what you are after in this thread anymore. to show that you refuse to apprehend my posts or you have spite against me for some reason or other or what?

Ting tings is nice. So is Lilly allen. classic rock isn't only music.

Knowledge or age has little to do with appreciation of music.
as far as it reflects your heart there's no superior or inferior in music.

many here feel gnr is a better band being touched by GNR songs more often than by zeps. for some gnr fans the latter never do much.

Zep music chooses its listeners (mostly classic hard rock fans) like Mozart is mainly favoured by classical music fans. GNR doesn't. you don't have to be big on hard rock but can be a classical music fan a pop fan a jazz fan an industrial fan a punk fan a funk fan or whatever music fan, to find some gnr songs you really like. Gnr songs deal with diverse aspects of human life which is not always fantastical.

A miscellaneous fandom for a miscellaneous band. it's only natural that GNR fans are rarely unanimous in anything. never mind this is Guns N People.

And thats what I just made a few days ago enjoy!!!

That thread has been made. Seems kind of pointless in a GNR forum though.

I think I may have been the inadvertent "inspiration" behind it....

Are you for real shit i can put it down if you guys want I have never taken down a thread but I guess if its been done its been done.

Well, at 11:27:35 PM yesterday, I made my "We could just have one big..... etc." comment, and at 11:30:19 PM yesterday, the "GNR VS. (add band name)" thread was created. I assumed that I had been the inspiration behind the thread.

If I am, I am legally owed a substantial percentage of any profit gained from the thread and must be consulted on all matters related to it.

Have a nice day

Wow you could have just made the thread if you wanted you didnt have to do that and I dont think theres gona be any money made from that thread so sorry try again next time and you did sugest it so i did it you could have made it if you wanted to...
And you must have a creative slump if your gona do that to a god dam 17 year old I mean what the fuck :rofl:

Led Zep and GNR are my fav bands along with Iron Maiden, I cant decide between these 3.

That is a tough choise...