Title: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: polluxlm on January 19, 2009, 07:06:54 AM Codex Alimentarius: Globalizing Food
By Sepp Hasslberger ?There is a huge shift taking place in the global awareness in the last 5 years with strong views about globalization and the power structures of major corporations.? -David Korten Codex Alimentarius, according to its website, was created in 1963 by the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) and the World Health Organization (WHO) to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Program. The stated purposes of this Program are protecting the health of consumers, ensuring fair trade practices and promoting coordination of food standards. At first sight, that seems a worthwhile goal. Unfortunately, the nice words hide a more sinister reality. Codex Alimentarius is an industry-sponsored international legislative forum that promotes corporate interests in a globalized market, rather than consumer health and fair trade. Until a decade ago, few had ever heard of Codex Alimentarius, which means Food Law, unless they were directly involved in the tedious job of working out its standards or in making sure their country changed laws and procedures to comply with Codex rules, but that changed. In 1994, the German delegation of an obscure committee ? the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses - proposed draft guidelines to regulate a new type of foods that had appeared in Germany during the 1980s but didn?t look like foods at all. They were tablets and capsules with what to the Germans seemed crazy doses of vitamins and minerals. So for all intents and purposes these vitamin pills ? they were called food supplements ? seemed more like medicines to the German mind than the Sauerkraut and Apfelstrudel which were the healthy foods of the time. The proposed guidelines promoted dosage restrictions in line with the recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for each substance. Ironically, the idea of RDAs as a minimum amount everyone should get of certain vital nutrients had been introduced in post-war Germany by the American occupation force but now it was used by the Germans to resist the push of new generation nutritional supplements into a very regulated and very pharma-friendly market. After all, medicines were big business. German pharmaceutical companies had been a mainstay of the export economy and were major actors in the so-called Wirtschaftswunder, the miraculous post-war economic recovery of German industry and commerce. Globalization Although much of the industrial clout shifted from post-war Germany to the victorious Allies, especially the United States, when we consider globalizing markets, countries are not the major players. Industry, by merger and by taking over competitors, has become a force unto itself, no longer part of any one country and often outstripping countries in size. A global club of producers resisting control by national legislators and governments, seeking to be left to the pursuit of profits, with as little interference and as little competition as possible. A well financed lobby addressing both lawmakers and government agencies works tirelessly to bring about what the multinationals like to call ?a level playing field?. The globalized food and pharma industry just love Codex. Since its guidelines are often used as a template for national laws, once a guideline is passed, much work is saved in convincing countries to change their laws. They will normally adjust national rules to be in line with Codex. Nominally, compliance with Codex guidelines is voluntary. Since the establishment of the World Trade Organization in 1995 however, any country that does not comply and finds itself in a trade dispute with another country, runs the risk of being subjected to trade sanctions. This is because the international court that decides in matters of trade disputes is bound to use international guidelines, where they exist, as their basis of law. So in real world terms, Codex Alimentarius guidelines are international law. Additives, pesticides and GMOs Codex Alimentarius has more than twenty active committees and task forces deciding on anything from animal feed to fishery products, from biotechnology to pesticide residues. While I cannot do more than briefly mention these other areas of Codex work, it may be useful to point out that this is essentially industry making its own laws. Codex is a great promoter of foods derived from biotechnology, better known as genetically modified organisms or frankenfoods. Since GMOs are Codex approved, it is very difficult for any country wishing to protect its citizens? health to refuse import of such foods. To justify a ban, a country has to go up against the scientific might of the world?s best industry experts and prove, scientifically, that there is a danger. Europe is standing up to Codex on genetic modification to some degree, but only with great difficulty. When we find pesticides and chemical additives in our foods we can thank Codex for that. Industry experts have figured out the levels that should be allowed in foods and Codex has institutionalized these levels. Any national attempt to reduce pesticides below the levels allowed by Codex or to eliminate some chemicals puts the country at risk of trade sanctions. Although Codex has a task force on antimicrobial resistance, it has not banned the use of antibiotics in raising farm animals. There is an emergency coming our way - antibiotics are becoming ineffective. More and more resistant strains of bacteria are developing. The cause is known: huge quantities of antibiotics used in commercial animal feeding operations find their way into our food supply. Codex deplores the fact but does not prohibit the practice. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: polluxlm on January 19, 2009, 07:07:15 AM Industry lobby and national Codex delegations
Although Codex, as we have seen, is really an international law making body, it is by no means democratic. Codex delegations are typically formed by medium level health ministry officials advised by numerous industry experts. The industry decides how to vote or what proposals to make on a given topic. The official head of a delegation is rarely knowledgeable enough, nor sufficiently determined on any course of action to set aside the advice and wishes of the industry lobbyists. Decisions in the Codex Committees are reached by consensus. Seldom if ever are there any votes. Consensus is said to be an absence of sustained opposition to a proposal or text. The chair of any Committee has the power to give delegations time to talk or to deny any further discussion. That same person also declares when a consensus has been reached, passing to the next point of discussion. The result is ? more often than not ? a guideline text that leaves many delegations unsatisfied because their amendments were not accepted or their opposition not taken into account. In this sense, Codex itself is profoundly undemocratic. It is able to bypass national parliaments completely and it can choose to ignore or override input from national delegations. An apparency of democratic process is maintained by allowing non governmental organisations (NGOs) to attend meetings and at times to speak, but their voice is powerless. NGOs don?t vote and they don?t count when deciding on consensus. Food supplements It took the Codex Nutrition Committee a full decade ? from 1994 to 2004 - to hammer out a text on food supplements. The final confirmation came the following year at a meeting of the full Codex Commission ? the guideline was officially passed on the fourth of July 2005. Irony of ironies, some said, to finalize a guideline with the potential to greatly limit supplement availability on a day that for Americans signifies freedom and independence. So the winner in the first round was Germany, or rather its pharmaceutical industry, but not without a lot of work and some intrigue. Although the Codex guideline proposal was made in 1994, it was not until the European Union had made its own law, a directive on food supplements, that enough of a force could be mustered to push the Codex guideline through against US resistance. The European directive meant all the European member states? delegates had to vote in unison, and in accordance with the text of the newly passed European law. With the combined strength of the then 15 EU member countries, supported by Rolf Grossklaus, the German chairman of the Nutrition Committee and Basil Mathioudakis, a senior official in the EU?s Health and Consumer Directorate, the Codex guideline on supplements was eventually passed. The text remained very similar to the original German proposal and is practically an identical twin of the European directive on supplements. Round two The victory gained on independence day 2005 was sweet for the Germans, but it wasn?t a knockout defeat for the US pharmaceutical and supplement industries. The text as passed has no teeth: it still lacks the figures to limit nutrient dosages in supplements. No actual limits were set, but it was agreed that work should proceed to scientifically evaluate the levels of intake at which nutrients show certain undesired effects. While there may be some concern for a few nutrients at exaggerated dosages, supplements as they are sold today are extremely safe. They are much safer than food and aren?t even visible on any statistics for causes of death. Yet the risk evaluation process that is to result in hard numbers for limiting nutrient doses is patterned after the way toxic chemicals are evaluated. There are no positive health effects of chemical poisons, so any adverse effect is of importance. Nutrients instead are required for life. So any evaluation of risk should of course consider both sides of the equation - weighing the seriousness and number of adverse events against the potential good nutrients do when present in abundance. This is what discussions in this present round are about. Finding a cut-off dosage for each nutrient, will technically make higher dosages illegal, unavailable for anyone to buy. Honest science and transparency Supplements have become a political bone of contention. There are the restrictive countries ? Germany backed by France, Greece, Denmark, Norway and some others, and we have more liberally inclined ones like the United States, the UK, Ireland, Sweden and the Netherlands. The contest seems to center around ?my industry is better than yours?, when it should really be ?how can human health be improved?. I believe we must find a way to bring transparency and scientific honesty to this process. As long as science is subordinate to industry and research can be skewed to fit industry?s desires, as long as industry?s wishes determine international rules and regulations where a self-interested group of multinational corporations can tell us what we should or should not eat, we will be in trouble. We need independent scientists and a more balanced procedure of making these international regulations. How about reforming Codex! Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on January 19, 2009, 04:04:34 PM d'ya think...maybe...you could have paraphrased that?
I mean, it's great that you're sharing the injustices of the world with us, but...fuck me...that's a bit of a mish to read at 50% caffeination.... Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: polluxlm on January 19, 2009, 04:22:38 PM "Codex, meaning the law of food, seeks to criminalize and ban nutrients, vitamins and unprocessed food. They want this because processed food means patented food. It is a trade commission, and the way countries are lured in is by automatically siding with members in trade disputes. Previously banned and deadly pesticides are brought back with Codex (7 out of 9), and even organic food can legally be infected by them. With Codex every animal on the planet will be required to be treated with various poisons. With Codex what is not legal will be illegal."
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on January 19, 2009, 06:04:27 PM Thanks for doing that for me, bro. : ok:
But that's fucking ridiculous, people KNOW processed food is terrible for them and how the hell can you criminalize something that's already there? JIHAD~! ...ok, maybe not a jihad but we should write angry letters at least. >:( Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: polluxlm on January 19, 2009, 06:32:28 PM As to how, you need look no further than cannabis and mushrooms, to name a few.
Edit: Perhaps that helps. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on January 19, 2009, 06:59:47 PM As to how you need look no longer than cannabis and mushrooms, to name a few. syntax is a bitch, it took me 3 goes to understand what you meant there. and yeah, yer damn right, they're plants, they grow, you set them on fire and sniff you get high and if you make an omelette with the other you trip fuckin' balls...like mother nature intended. we wouldn't need TV anymore either! imo weed should be legalized and taxed. in NZ apparently smokers have to pay 88% tax on their smokes. ridiculous! Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: norway on January 19, 2009, 08:19:06 PM in NZ apparently smokers have to pay 88% tax on their smokes. ridiculous! And here tax-payers are paying for their cancer treatment... Thanks for the article Pollux. Get your nutrition from food, not pills. It's true you can get some poisons but the benefits overweigh it with natural food. People don't get it, the world is grossly overpopulated. Goverments should urge their citizens to calm down in the bedrom :hihi: Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on January 19, 2009, 09:45:08 PM And here tax-payers are paying for their cancer treatment... Thanks for the article Pollux. Get your nutrition from food, not pills. It's true you can get some poisons but the benefits overweigh it with natural food. People don't get it, the world is grossly overpopulated. Goverments should urge their citizens to calm down in the bedrom :hihi: :rant: people are so...damned...fucking...STUPID!! and ignorant, but the people who aren't ignorant are just goddamn fools! rrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaggeeeee~! I mean honestly THESE FUCKERS KNOW BETTER!!! condoms are a GREAT idea, fucking Catholics prohibiting birth control -mumble- you shouldn't un-ban pesticides because they KILL stuff -grumble- ya don't need to eat food out of a plastic wrapper ya need to eat it out of the garden! partially hydrogenated vegetable oil and corn syrup are killing people and yet nobody thinks to stop putting them in your chips and burgers and soft drinks (respectively) ugh! people and their GREED!! money, money, money. you know, I think it'd be a FINE thing if the global economy completely shits itself. :rant: -deep breath- you know I'm not usually one for tears but this planet is FUCKED. and that makes me real damned sad. free hug going to whoever will accept it....I want a hug.. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on January 20, 2009, 05:02:08 PM norway gets the free hug. cheers for being nice, bro.
-huuuuuuuuuug!- Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: JMack on January 20, 2009, 09:47:14 PM Yet still I find myself not caring??? :'(
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: polluxlm on January 21, 2009, 11:23:30 AM Cut down on the fluoride, then maybe you will.
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: SLCPUNK on January 21, 2009, 11:30:29 AM Yet still I find myself not caring??? :'( Pull your pants up already....dawg. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: JMack on January 21, 2009, 09:06:49 PM ;;;;;;; Clean you semi-colon.
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on January 21, 2009, 10:49:53 PM in NZ apparently smokers have to pay 88% tax on their smokes. ridiculous! People don't get it, the world is grossly overpopulated. Goverments should urge their citizens to calm down in the bedrom :hihi: Norway, while you are smart to get your nutrition from food, not pills (due to the beneficial phyto-nutrients)...I think you ought to know the world is not grossly overpopulated. Growth rates are actually declining in much of the civilized world. With increased education, proper use of birth control, and the shift towards both parents needing to work (in most cases, not mine personally), people aren't dumb, they realize having too many children costs money. perhaps it was mentioned already, if not...soilent green! :nervous: Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: norway on January 22, 2009, 02:00:20 PM I think you ought to know the world is not grossly overpopulated. Depends on your perspective, millions dies of starvation. We would need 3-4 earthclodes if all were to live according to western standards. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: loretian on January 22, 2009, 04:03:32 PM I'm afraid of the anti-globalization people. They scare me. Their ability to mix fantasy with reality in such subtle ways it's astounding.
This article may make good points, but given the source, there is no way I can read it and have any confidence that any of it is true. Witness fluoride scares and so forth. Actually, you should probably consult more with this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc) Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: AxlsMainMan on January 22, 2009, 04:21:12 PM I'm afraid of the anti-globalization people. They scare me. Their ability to mix fantasy with reality in such subtle ways it's astounding. You should be scared, there are several negative aspects to globalization, such as: 1) Global inequality 2) Tax evasion 3) Concentration of power 4) Weakening of labour 5) Challenges to the welfare state 6) Economic crises snowball Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on January 22, 2009, 06:38:26 PM I think you ought to know the world is not grossly overpopulated. Depends on your perspective, millions dies of starvation. We would need 3-4 earthclodes if all were to live according to western standards. Yes, starvation, disease, violence...all the more reason for women in these regions to give birth so many times. If you're pretty much guaranteed half your kids are going to die before they reach the age of 5, I guess you'd better pop some more out. In agrarian societies you need more hands on deck to harvest the crops as well. As these nations stabilize their governments and provide means to universal education, birth rates will fall. I'm not worried about overpopulation. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: AxlsMainMan on January 22, 2009, 06:41:08 PM Axl4Prez, you're forgetting that in countries like Canada with free health care and very, very generous baby bonuses, people are not so easily discouraged from having as many kids as they want. If anything, they're encouraged.
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on January 23, 2009, 12:28:10 AM Axl4Prez, you're forgetting that in countries like Canada with free health care and very, very generous baby bonuses, people are not so easily discouraged from having as many kids as they want. If anything, they're encouraged. There's a reason why they are giving baby bonuses...either Canadian women are just refusing to put out, or they are deciding not to have babies! In 2002, the average Canadian female aged 15-49 had 1.5 babies. (perhaps the problem lies with all the half babies...yuck!) :hihi: Seriously, it's been a while since I took a course that included information on reproduction rates necessary to maintain a nation's population. Incentives are put in place to get people to have more babies when needed to grow an economy. Believe it or not, humans are a net positive in the grand scheme of things. In general we produce and create more than we consume and destroy despite what some folks will tell you. ;) Now get out there and start making some babies you Canadian prudes! :hihi: :peace: Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: norway on January 23, 2009, 12:41:26 AM Canada is high incomes + high taxes too?
To you Americans I guess you would find most the skandinavian political parties extremely comunistic. :P The cost on energy, resources and the enviroment with population growth is actually quite severe. Some would say life-style, politics of industry etc... yes! That too! : ok: Science also tells the same- - even long Norway with all it's sea-resources and agriculture is just capable to hold 3.2 million people. We're way beyond that. A lot of countries has to import food to feed their population. Even on good food there's often pesticles and other products used that importers doesn't know are declared hazardous by the countries own health-authorities but aren't in the production-country. Makes it even harder to get clean food. If anything, they're encouraged. Ethnic Germans will actually get bonuses from their goverment, they are becoming a minority :hihi: PS/ God, I have to stop. I'm begining to sound like that guy who always brought up Poland in all posts. :-[ Anyone remember him/her? Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: polluxlm on January 23, 2009, 02:44:45 AM I'm afraid of the anti-globalization people. They scare me. Their ability to mix fantasy with reality in such subtle ways it's astounding. This article may make good points, but given the source, there is no way I can read it and have any confidence that any of it is true. Witness fluoride scares and so forth. Actually, you should probably consult more with this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc) You're afraid of them? Now why is that? They don't have any power and they're not violent. They're most likely to have zero direct influence on your life. I think what you're afraid of is the truth they're speaking. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 23, 2009, 04:41:16 AM Axl4Prez, you're forgetting that in countries like Canada with free health care and very, very generous baby bonuses, people are not so easily discouraged from having as many kids as they want. If anything, they're encouraged. There's a reason why they are giving baby bonuses...either Canadian women are just refusing to put out, or they are deciding not to have babies! In 2002, the average Canadian female aged 15-49 had 1.5 babies. (perhaps the problem lies with all the half babies...yuck!) :hihi: Seriously, it's been a while since I took a course that included information on reproduction rates necessary to maintain a nation's population. Incentives are put in place to get people to have more babies when needed to grow an economy. Believe it or not, humans are a net positive in the grand scheme of things. In general we produce and create more than we consume and destroy despite what some folks will tell you. ;) Now get out there and start making some babies you Canadian prudes! :hihi: :peace: If it were that simple. My half-brother lives in Toronto. He says that all these immigrants come in and start popping out babies to get bigger welfare checks and food vouchers and all that fun stuff. And some of them live off that money and don't even work or pay taxes. On another note, don't you just hate it when you take a crap and you have to use up the whole roll of toilet paper because you just can't get your ass clean? Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on February 06, 2009, 12:30:59 AM If it were that simple. My half-brother lives in Toronto. He says that all these immigrants come in and start popping out babies to get bigger welfare checks and food vouchers and all that fun stuff. And some of them live off that money and don't even work or pay taxes. D'ya think the system itself must be fundamentally flawed to let that kinda shit happen? I mean...jesus! We hear a lotta talk about dole-bludgers and women who get knocked up a few times and spend the rest of their life on the DPB...but they're all still living JUST above the poverty level. It's so twisted. Quote On another note, don't you just hate it when you take a crap and you have to use up the whole roll of toilet paper because you just can't get your ass clean? I'd suggest buying some wetwipes if it's that much of a problem! I mean, wouldn't an entire roll block your toilet? Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 06, 2009, 12:36:22 AM If it were that simple. My half-brother lives in Toronto. He says that all these immigrants come in and start popping out babies to get bigger welfare checks and food vouchers and all that fun stuff. And some of them live off that money and don't even work or pay taxes. D'ya think the system itself must be fundamentally flawed to let that kinda shit happen? I mean...jesus! We hear a lotta talk about dole-bludgers and women who get knocked up a few times and spend the rest of their life on the DPB...but they're all still living JUST above the poverty level. It's so twisted. Quote On another note, don't you just hate it when you take a crap and you have to use up the whole roll of toilet paper because you just can't get your ass clean? I'd suggest buying some wetwipes if it's that much of a problem! I mean, wouldn't an entire roll block your toilet? True, the whole system is messed up. And no, I have a high-powered throne. A small child could go through that thing. I do not advocate the flushing of small children. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: cjmax02 on February 06, 2009, 02:05:14 AM I do not advocate the flushing of small children. : ok: unless they're a foetus, it's probably murder! Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 06, 2009, 02:12:28 AM I do not advocate the flushing of small children. : ok: unless they're a foetus, it's probably murder! Uh oh... Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on February 06, 2009, 06:34:42 PM ^ I really think you best start eating some good food Oh Henry! Fruits and veggies with some good bran cereal, and stay hydrated. It sounds like you're eating some greasy shit! Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: maxxoccupancy on February 06, 2009, 07:46:14 PM I'm afraid of the anti-globalization people. They scare me. Their ability to mix fantasy with reality in such subtle ways it's astounding. This article may make good points, but given the source, there is no way I can read it and have any confidence that any of it is true. Witness fluoride scares and so forth. Actually, you should probably consult more with this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9gRFv5Kgc) I'm anti-globalization, but I'm not opposed to free trade. I'm against fluoridating drinking water (it's now believed that most Americans are getting 3-5 times what they should, since it's in the food, juice, beer, absorbed through the skin, etc), but I think that adults should get fluoride treatment at the dentist. Their are conspiracy theorists and anti-conspiracy theorists who are just as nutty. The refusal to even consider evidence of wrongdoing by authorities is more dangerous than paranoia about their intentions. Politicians should be kept on a short leash, and should never have the power to make decisions that affect our lives in the first place. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 06, 2009, 09:58:59 PM ^ I really think you best start eating some good food Oh Henry! Fruits and veggies with some good bran cereal, and stay hydrated. It sounds like you're eating some greasy shit! Good luck with that. Fiber One cereal helps me stay regular. Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: AxlsMainMan on February 06, 2009, 10:22:11 PM $4.99, Bob.
Title: Re: Codex Alimentarius - Say goodbye to clean food. Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 06, 2009, 10:29:53 PM Higher, or lower?
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