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Metallica have revealed that they would embark on a co-headlining tour with comeback rockers Guns N' Roses.

Drummer Lars Ulrich made the announcement, and admitted he would jump at the chance to tour alongside Axl Rose's legendary group. He revealed the band are big fans of their rock counterparts, who they rose to fame alongside in the 1980s.

He's quoted as saying, "We're road dogs. We love to tour. So we'd never say no. We've learned never to say no to anything, and all four of us love (the new Guns N' Roses' album) 'Chinese Democracy'."

But Metallica guitarist Kirk Hammett was slightly more realistic and added, "The real question is whether they would tour with us."

Please let it happen!

This would so rock!

tour of the year if it would ever happen

I would buy tix in a heartbeat !! please let this happen.

That would be some classic shit, just like in 1991 :) Wonder if Axl's interested?

ooohhhh what I would pay to see those two bands on the same stage on the same night....I missed out back in the 90's.

would gnr accept to tour if they had to open? i dont think so...

This would be AMAZING!!  Lars and Axl have always been close so this doesnt surprise me.  Even James seemed optimistic at the idea of touring with GNR. 

Axl, get on the phone!!  :hihi:

I would be terribly upset if GnR were asked to open the show on such a tour.  ::)

Pretty funny, considering how 'well' the last joint tour went with those two bands.

It would have to be a co-headliner type of thing.  Both bands are far to big to open for one or the other.  I think there would have to be at least one more band that would open.

That story is so twisted, they don't even mention someone asked them at the conference and the first reaction was a huge laugh.

the way they said it wasn't meant as a serious offer, just something they wouldn't rule out on their previous experience with Gn'r, because time has told them, and this is a quote" never say never to anything"

but they were clear on one thing, that's not something they would go after, if it came to happen they would consider it, but the fact that the question raised such a huge laugh on the press conference speaks a lot more than anything.

you just can't trust news today

yeah i was gonna say i doubt james would share the same sentiments on the subject...I pretty sure hes still bitter about 91 but no sure

Back in '91/'92...they co-headlined the tour.  They'd both do FULL headline sets, and they both had a full stage setup and crew (with about an hour to an hour and 30 minute wait between acts, actually, while they re-set).

I saw that show (with Faith No More doing the first set, Metallica doing the 2nd, and GnR doing the last) and it was AMAZING.  FUCKING AMAZING.  I've seen a LOT of shows/concerts during my life and this one is still the best for me.  2 incredible bands, both in GREAT form, both during their "heyday".  It wasn't a perfect show.  There were some technical issues (story of GnR, eh?) and a couple of crowd issues...but it was still awesome.  3 AMAZING sets.  Even FNM, who got "stuck" playing at like 3 PM or something like that, was VERY good.

I'd buy tickets in a heartbeat.  I'm assuming it would need to be a summer stadium tour....and I think it would sell like gangbusters.

Well, other than James getting burned, and then the ensuing riot (if there can be an "other than"), from my memory it went pretty well.

There were some postponements...both because of that and because of some voice problems on Axl's part...but the show I saw was stellar.  And it's not even the show that got the best review of the tour......

Yeah, anything for a nice headline.

"Never say never" doesn't exactly mean there's an offer....



/jarmo

Yeah, it's probably a pipe dream.  But it's a nice one...   :)

Kinda like fantisizing about what you'd do if you won the lottery....only slightly more likely.

So true. I am probably in the minority, but I would prefer to seee GNR tour with Baz again. I don't have any real desire to see Metallica in concert.

well if I had to be so not selfish and share GN'R live show with other bands I would have to choose Nine Inch Nails with SexTapes opening.





-velimir

This is a really good thing!! God, please, let it hapens  : ok:

I'm guessin the source is this. http://fuse.tv/music/metallica/ (at the end of the interview)

if so,  what's a random article.  :rofl:

that's good everyone in 'tallica appreciates cd.

rather see GNR twice than once with 'talica but that's just me.  :P

If it happened...I'd go and see it...hands down!

That said, I'd rather see GN'R go on the road with Aerosmith (who begin touring again in March or April). Never got the chance to see 'em open up on the Permanent Vacation tour, so, for me, that would be a real treat!

Makes me wonder if my dad would prevent me from going....just like last time.  :rant

the best part of the story is this...

"...and all four of us love (the new Guns N' Roses' album) 'Chinese Democracy'"


that's some great press coming from one of the biggest bands in the world.

You're right, that's a big endorsement!  : ok:

that would be nice... it it was reality.

Axl and Lars are friends... that doesn't mean they're gonna tour... lol.

A tour of that magnitude would mean $$$$$$ BIG BUCKS $$$$$$!!!

It should happen..there is no reason for it not to happen...it is not like anyone hates anybody..and Lars and Axl seem pretty tight...My friend was working that press conference yesterday for FUSE, and she called me about it right after it was said...i was wondering how long it would take before this story got legs and found its way all over the internet... :hihi:

Metallica is my #3 band.

But I don't want GN'R to have anything to do with them or their meathead fans.

This will never happen.

Metallica fans are pretty damn hardcore. Pretty unforgiving too.

Most that I know hold a grudge against Axl.

One word: Napster.





/jarmo

holy fuck, tickets would be so hard to get, not talking the "blackmarket"

holy holy holy shit :headbanger:

shame it won't happen :hihi:

              Azoff has to be hearing the cash registors jiggling here. I'd bet once this spreads he'll be the 1st on the phone to get Rose to do this. Its 2 of the biggest bands in the world doing a big tour. It makes sense really.... Axl can get a lot of the Metallica fanbase to realize he's still around.

just imagine if Bach also joined in ........GAK 2009   : ok:

i was reading a related story and it started with someone asking Lars what he thought of Democracy....than they asked if they would consider touring w/ GnR since they did so in 91 and Lars said something to the effect "Never Say Never" but I never got the impression from reading the story that "Metallica make offer to tour with Guns N' Roses " :hihi:  That's just laughable :hihi:

My first thought was: holy shit! that's gonna be so awesome!

My second thought was your post... this part really does worry me as I'd expect there to be a lot of B.S. from fans screaming "asshole!" at Axl and yelling for Slash.  Although GN'R fans could counter by yelling about Metallica sucking for the last 10 years.

Anyway, I'm both exicted and very nervous.

The Pyro and Riots 2008 Tour?

Holy motherfucking shit!!!
please God let it happen here in South America at least!!!

First off, I don't get why people say Metallica haven't done shit in 10 years when Death Magnetic stands up to any CD they made in the past.

2nd. Why not?  With the hour and a half between stages, that gives GNR plenty of time to hit he stage late like they prefer.

I'm not saying it would be a year or two tour, maybe hit the major markets for just a summer jaunt.

What makes you think Metallica would go first?

That'd be amazing. Although of course, its all down to Axl. I'd love it, but I can't see it happening.

The production of that album alone is utter shit compared to any album they've made in the past.

YEAH I WOULD BE UPSET TOO! BUT I THINK CONSIDERING THAT AXL IS ALWAYS LATE, METALLICA SHOULD OPEN, SO GNR GONNA BE ONTIME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY!  :hihi:
AND IF GNR OPEN, JUST TELL UR FAMILY THAT U GONNA BE HOME AROUND 4 IN THE MORNING!  :rofl:

a show with Metallica and G"n'R would be fucking amazing. i'm there if it happens :headbanger:

This would be huge for GN'R.  Not only would this help record sales but I really think this could gain some new fans in the process.  I' m sure there would be some "terms and stipulations" in the contract if they did this.  The last tour they did definetly had some speed bump in it.  I really hope this happens.  Love both bands and would jump to see this.  I hope they don't have an ego about playing before Metallica at all.  Would be cool if they switched from night to night.

A few years ago another tour with the two would've made me sick to my stomach.

Now, things are very different.

I'd definitely go.

It would be a highly touted move for Axl to extend his hand and make that happen.  With Metallica's marquee power, Axl could sit back and let their promoters do all the advertising for him.  Every rock station in America would air a commercial every break.  Every fan would hear GN'R's name mentioned several times a day.  I don't see one negative thing that could possibly come of it...

...unless James Hetfield gets blown up on stage again and/or Axl doesn't show up or refuses to play.

This is exactly how I remember this tour and I saw it at Giants Stadium.  The only difference I remember is FNM pretty much getting booed off the stage (GNR/Metallica fans are rough).  The whole point of a co-headliner tour is that neither is the opener.  I am not saying this will ever happen again because it probably won't but it sure would be awesome if it did.

Just in case Dexter is reading, this would be fucking awesome! 

I'm sorry but that is funny!

The only issue with this IS the long time between sets especially when you have two big bands like this, takes forever to take down and set back up.

i saw this tour in the early 90's and i gotta admit it was the BEST concert i've ever been to!  keep our fingers crossed!

true, but during the 2 hours between met and gnr i saw more titties on the big screen than i could handle.  that made the wait tolerable.  also the fact that my favorite band ever was getting ready to rock new orleans that night kept me excited. 

by the way, i saw metallica on the 23rd of November (the release date for CD) and the show was awesome.  there was no set - just some amps, a stage, and a band....clearly the best metallica show i've ever been to and i've been to every tour at least once since master of puppets...so, the changing of sets would not be all that bad right now

I could see them flip flopping as opening and headliners. Be fun to see. They'd need a 3rd band as a true opening act . Who could they get as something new ?  I'd suggest  MILLION DOLLAR RELOAD. This way that band gets the "rub" of being a new band , can open and can get the crowd ready for Metallica and Guns n Roses.

I think Guns N' Roses would be required to play first at this point in time (given the relative status/commercial draw of the two bands ca. 2009)... but that said... SO FUCKING WHAT. That would actually be a PERFECT opportunity to come out and kick the crowd's ass every night when they're MOST into it and have the greatest amount of energy. GN'R could multiply their fan base exponentially if they kicked Metallica's ass every night all summer. That's how the old band got things rolling... decimating  Aerosmith, Iron Maiden, the Crue etc. on tour in the late 80's...

GN'R should be all over this IMHO. The new band plays such a fantastic live show.... and most rock fans at large aren't even aware of that IMHO.

As far as the "who opens for who" bit... GN'R/Axl could just play it off as "Metallica went on first last time- so this time around we thought we'd return the favor." etc. Not a BIG deal IMHO. Not a reason to miss an opportunity like this (if it were to come along) at all...

I doubt that GN'R will tour anytime in the near future; we don't know for sure who's in the band at this point.

To be fair, if it happened, Metallica should be the headliner, no questions asked. Selling out arenas and stadiums has never been a problem for them, even when they went soft in the 90's.

Did Metallica open when they toured together?  I thought they switched?  I'd have no problem with GNR being the opener and I don't necessarily think Axl would either, as long as they didn't have to play until 10 pm or so, which isn't gonna happen.  I don't see it happening.  Axl has made it clear he prefers to play later, that's just part of who he is.  I'd think Metallica would want to go on first themselves because of Axl's unpredictable nature.  What if GNR is scheduled to go on at 8 and Axl doesn't take the stage till 10?  I love Axl but I don't know if he could be completely trusted to follow the schedule as an opener.

I saw the orginial tour at Giants Stadium. It was awesome. As someone previously said, FNM got booed off the stage. I would like to see this tour happen. Btw, Metallica fans are rough. I saw Metallica for the third time when I traveled to California 9 years ago. People were throwing red wine and setting toilet paper on fire and chucking it.  It was nuts!

I'm pretty sure they switched when they did this tour previously.  I am trying to crane my memory of who opened 1st when I saw the tour.  Was a long ass time ago! :hihi:

Not sure what would be in it for Metallica though seeing as they can sell out these stadiums alone, why split that kind of money if u don't have to?

Nostalgia's sake?

Actually, I have no clue I just think it would be cool as hell if it ever happened although I refuse to listen to any Metallica albums after And Justice for All.

I've never been a Metallica fan to be honest. I think I am the only person that hates the Black album except for Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters.

I heard Battery at a former bandmates house and loved it, love master of puppets......

for me though, Death Magnetic is my favorite Metallica album. that is why I don't jump people's shit when they say Chinese Democracy is their favorite album.

I can see that cause people think I am insanely retarded for saying DM is the best Metallica CD overall. I am talking start to finish. Obviously no one song stands out like some of the classics but start to finish its my favorite.


anyhow, it would be cool, I'd love to have a chance to go see it for sure.


Like I said, just a fast summer outside stadium tour. Nothing long, nothing drawn out. Hit the major places and there ya go.

Make it happen Axl.  So many upsides to this. 

Even though it wasn't Axls fault with the last tour.. a successful tour like this would help get a lot of respect back.

It would be great promotion.

Gain a lot of fans.

It would just be flat out huge. 

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Guns ALWAYS went on second. Definitely was the case when I saw them at Giants Stadium and definitely was the case (obviously) the night of the Montreal riot. I remember the Guns fans in my high school teasing the Metallica fans with: "Metallica's a great band. They can open for Guns N' Roses any time." :hihi:

Maybe for a sign of gratitude Axl will induct Metallica onto that joke on Cleveland they call the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame..
I agree, I also prefer to see Baz w/ GN'R over Metallica..Although Metallica are incredible live..Last time in 1991 it was just too much..

I'm sure you are right.  My memories of those early 90's years are hazy at best! :drool:

 ???  ???  ???

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't realize that Stinson/Finck/Reed/Pittman/Bumblebee were legendary rock counterparts of Metallica who rose to fame alongside them in the 1980s.  I must have been too busy during those years listening to Slash/McKagan/Adler/Stradlin/Rose to have absorbed the earth-shattering rock of the aforementioned individuals.


Metallica did indeed ALWAYS (and wisely) go first during the 92 tour, for the sole purpose of Axl's propensity towards being late.  Metallica wasn't to wait until 2 a.m. to play because Axl couldn't be bothered to take the stage at a reasonable time.

Personally, I'd like to know what Lars is thinking making this offer.  Does he think anything will be different this time around?  Being around Axl is an incendiary risk for a band as huge as Metallica.  It's one thing for an unknown band to want to be around Ankle, because any exposure is good.  But Metallica have made their mark and don't need double headliners or risky acts like our good friend Maxwell Rose.

Yeah, I think you missed something by a few miles. The group they're talking about is Guns N' Roses. It's true, people have quit the band since the 80s. So naturally they had to be replaced.




By the way, do you mean alongside Hetfeild/Ulrich/Burton/Mustaine, Hetfeild/Ulrich/Burton/Hammett or Hetfeild/Ulrich/Newsted/Hammett?




/jarmo

And what you seem to have missed was the way Lars' statement was worded.   It first said "Metallica would love to tour alongside Axl Rose's legendary group".   Well, there's nothing legendary about Axl's group right now.  The only thing legendary is the original guys.  So in no way was I inaccurate by pointing this out.



Irrelevant, since I didn't make the original statements, Lars did, nor did I suggest that Metallica had the same lineup.  And you forgot Hetfeild/Ulrich/Trujillo/Hammett.   :P



Do you type that out every single post?

Guns ALWAYS went on last during that tour......

I've noticed that too...its always /xxxxx....weird...is that a sign or something???

I would kill for a full Guns/'Tallica world tour. It would be the single best sghow I have bee to. Apart for Adelaide 2007. But atill, it would kick some major arse.  : ok:


 :peace:

It never fails to amuse me how no matter positive the initial post in a thread is, that someone will find a way to trash it.

You've been here for as long as I so you should have some idea of the amount of fuckwits that hang around.

Guns N' Metallica 2009!!! : ok:



 :peace:

Didn't Hetfield recently give Mojo magazine an interview in which he proceeded to compare Axl to dictators and claim that while Metallica and GN'R toured together the first time GN'R was all about hairspray and image? If that's the case, a joint tour is not likely, in my opinion.

Kudos to Lars for being positive about things, though.

The media turned that around and tried to start a fight between GN'R and Metallica. Didn't work too well.


 :peace:

The last I heard James praised Axl for being a great frontman.  Eccentric, yes, but great nonetheless.  So if you go by that ONE interview, I'd say a tour is imminent.  Point is, I'm sure a lot has been said over their 20+ years in the biz, some good, some bad.  None of which would rule anything out.  As James himself said, never say never.

Even though it could be kick ass and a great move for GNR .... After thinking about it, I don't think it would work out.  We all know and Axl even said himself that he is a late night person and performer.  There could be continuous problems on the shows where GNR would have to go on first.  
Not only that but what happens when some Metallica fans throw shit at Axl and he goes ape shit?  We all know this has and will happen.. especially at a show like this.  

With these things said... if Axl could pull this off and overcome some of his own natural ways for the sake of a great fuckin tour, then it would be huge.  On the other hand if Axl can't deal with some of the shit that would happen during this tour... then the media will once again rip them apart... and furthermore continue to hurt their already damaged image.  

I don't think the majority would agree that Hetfield's attitude towards Axl is generally a positive one. The ratio of Hetfield's positive versus negative comments about Axl over the years is probably 10 to 1. And if you were to go by that one interview, which is in the December issue of Mojo, I'd say they are not off to a great start.

Yeah, it's VERY important.

GN'R is a legendary band, you just need to get over the break up of the original band. :)




Wasn't around in the 1980s. Which is what the article referred to. :)





Wouldn't you wanna know.





/jarmo

you fail at posting.

please just.... stop.   Lars (probably) personally knows ALL the guys who have ever been in GnR,  current and former.   you do not.  so STFU.

if you don't like the band now, and just want to hijack threads with your garbage, can't you go to mygnr and do it?

i really like Metallica, but i dont know , i think a solo GNR concert would be better, it will be the first tour with the new album, and i would like to see a concert where Axl is completly comfortable and with his fans, if you put Metallica in there, then you have big stadiums, lots of mixed crowd. time frames for the groups to play, etc.

Yes they are.  Nobody's going to deny that fact.


NEVER!  Besides, that was no relation to my original post.  My initial post merely pointed out the inaccuracy of Lars' statement.


Kinda like Axl's hired Guns weren't around in the 80s (at least not with GNR), which is what the article alluded.  And which is what I pointed out about said article.



I never fail at evoking a response from you, do I Rim Job?  (BTW, you should've kept that name, it's much more appropriate, because I swear you always remind me of an unkempt public toilet.)  Wherever my posts are found, your replies follow.  You can't stay away from me. 


Neither do you.  What's your point?

I'v been telling ppl for months that this tour is in the works.

This NEEDS to happen for both bands.  It can only mean good things......COME ON AXL!!

I don't really like Metallica. I did, then I saw them live (twice) and vowed never to see them again, unless they headlined a festival I'm already going to. They just bored me! Don't really fancy paying extra to go to a co-headlining show to see just one of the bands :-\ Course I will though  ;D

Just worried about the reception this would recieve over here in England. I'm around on a couple of forums and, mainly, on Download whenever it's rumoured Metallica will be headlining the comments usually go something like "Would prefer to have someone else headline, I've already seen them 6 times in the past 4 years". Similar comments were expressed from our shores when rumours were spreading they might be headlining Wacken.

I've never liked co-headlining tours. It's a bit unfair to ask fans that don't like the other headlining act to pay extra money to see them. It'll be the same for some Metallica fans too  :-\

This would be cool! : ok:

I saw GnR, Metallica, and Faith No More at Giants Stadium, and it was an awesome experience.  Axl definitely seemed ticked off at somethign that day, but an experience nonetheless.  I'd drive two hours to see something similar again for sure. 

I'm also pumped because I'm taking my 13 yr old son to see Metallica tomorrow in Philly & can't wait!   : ok:

go troll somewher else

I agree, 100%.

Direct from the PS3, from the Guitar Hero tracks, to a burner:  The album sounds amazingly good....comparable to "...and Justice for All", IMHO.

But the CD version?  Distorted to fuck, and that's from a guy who's not the most picky about fidelity when it comes to my music.  Even I notice it.

I saw them at Foxborough Stadium (in MA, where the Patriots used to play).   The place was MOSTLY empty while FNM was playing....because they started so early.  Originally, the show was supposed to start at something like 5 PM, but they ended up..day of the show...releasing an announcement that in order to comply with law enforcement and some sort of curfew (I think), they were going to start at 3 PM. 

I still dont' think the show ended until after midnight....maybe closer to 1 AM...maybe later than that (I wasn't in a "check the clock" frame of mind by the end of the show.  :)  )

I don't know about EVERY show...but I'm pretty sure Metallica went on first for most, if not all, of them.

They certainly did in Foxborough.  And at Giants Stadium.  And I KNOW they went on first the night of the riot:  James got burned, and Lars continues to insist that Axl could have prevented the whole thing by going out and doing a killer 2 hour set...but his walk off was the final straw.

I'm pretty sure that, given Axl's penchant for liking to go on relatively late, that GnR was up 3rd EVERY show.  I don't KNOW it, but I'm pretty sure.

I would assume that Guns going on late has nothing else to do with Axl preferring to perform later while Metallica would prefer to get the job done and go enjoy the remainder of the night relaxing. I don't think you're going to have any less people in the crowd for either band, and I don't think that the later time slot has any meaning of being the better band. I remember flipping a coin with other bands to see who would do the final slot after the opening act when we played.

Just my opinion.

AA.

I actually listened to the album on a $15 Wal-Mart stereo this morning, and it sounded better than I've ever heard it :hihi:

Sounds like shit in my old man's Avalanche and on our Dolby Digital stereo, but fine on a $15 hunk o' junk...

Life eh? ;)

I wonder if the headlines would've been the same if somebody else had said it.






/jarmo

What do you mean by somebody else?  Another band?

Yeah.


Wonder if this "news" became such a big deal because of the history.

Because the bands are supposed to hate each other.




/jarmo

Probably not.  It does sound sexy and I sure would read the article after what they titled it.  Would be one hell of a show though.  Kinda like the Kiss/Aerosmith double bill a few years back.  They were supposed to hate eachother too, dating back to the 70s and that tour was a large success, with Kiss agreeing to let Aerosmith cap off the show.

I cant see either band agreeing to go on before the other though.  Especially considering Axl's nocturnal nature.

Definitely cool that Lars said Metallica loves Chinese Democracy.  I think a tour together would make sense for both bands, both publicity and financially beneficial.  But I'd love to GNR play no matter what with or w/o Metallica.  I think if they did a few shows together to test the waters, before a full blown out tour.

If anyone is interested, follow the link to Metallica's Hall of Fame press Conference where all this nonsense got started. 

http://www.antimusic.com/news/09/jan/16Metallica_and_Guns_N_Roses_Tour.shtml

You do realize that the production on AJFA was considered terrible, right?  The sound quality on that album is very thin with no bottom end.  And all the talk about DM sound quality is funny. W/o the internet telling you that it has bad audio quality, most listeners would never even notice.
Also, if the tour were to happen (it wont) Metallica would go on second. This aint 92 anymore.

Most if not all people I know who like Metallica also like Guns N Roses...they have the same fan base...

personally, i think metallica just saw this as a chance to get garner easy media attention for themselves. if they were able to come up with new material that was half as good as 'chinese d', acting like wannabe attention whores wouldn't be such a necessity. (mainly directed at james h)

no, Metallica was asked the question by the media yesterday....and they answered it...

doubt it Feng Shui. see the video.


in America. or maybe depends on what age group.

So they'd be going on at like 4am then ...  :-\

I really believe that this is what prevents GNR from ever performing with any respectable group.  The complete inability to go onstage at a reasonable hour along with the fact that, like it or not, they have become a huge liability in the "biz"...I don't know many bands that like being associated with cancelled dates, possible riots, or failed tours.

It's a damn shame because it would be a lot of fun to see GN'R hit the road with some fun acts again.

well most of the people I know are 23-28 or so, and they all like both bands with the exception of 1 guy I know......I would imagine most of the older fans who were around to actually attend a GNR/Metallica show back in 1992 would feel the same way...It seems some are pissed that  Metallica went on to become the more successful "bigger" band after that, but that had nothing to do with quality of music, GNR never put anything out in the "Load" "Re-Load" era.....so to even compare the 2 is silly in the first place...I think GNR and Metallica are very comparable in sound, attitude and all that stuff...it is not like putting Metallica with a chick band like Poision or something like that...Metallica is not even heavy metal, they are hard rock, especially the last 4 or 5 albums....  Pantera and Slayer are heavy metal...

I like 'em both. Yea, I said it. If push came to shove GN'R and Axl will win everytime for me but still. The shows with both bands back in the day were fun as fuck. Even the one that was the night before a Jewish holiday and Axl was pissed as hell at the fans. Fucking classic. Goddamn so many great memories of seeing Axl live. Anyway, I would love for this to happen. The only thing better would be for the Suicide Girls to open for GN'R again. What a fucking stroke of genius have those crazy bitches open a GNR show. Whores and RNR. I loved that, so fucking Rock N' Roll. A GN'R show feeling sleazy again after the UYI fiasco. Axl made me proud. The SG should open every show for GN'R. Way fucking cooler then Bach and Helmet combined.

So here's what I would suggest. The Suicide girls open the show, then Metallica, then bring it home with GN'R (performing every song off Chinese Democracy with a few classics thrown in). This would be the greatest show on earth.

I fail to see the correlation between the existance of the internet and an album having horrible production, detectable by anyone with a half decent set of ears.

It would seem this is what Axl was alluding to when he was posting online.  That he states he doesn't care where they play as long as they can come on at midnight but the label, promoters, et all involved that plans the tour where that is not possible and it ruins it--maybe I misread that?

As much of a realist as I consider myself to be, and as much as I know this wont happen....Is it so far off for Axl to hop on his computer, watch them all agree that they loved CD and would not be opposed to touring again with GN'R and thinking "Ya know, that might be fun for this summer.  Maybe I should give Lars a call and see what he thinks."  Why can't he do that?  Why, lately, is every good idea avoided as if it's fucking aids with this band?  

Not one person Ive talked to when we discuss DM has brought up the compressed sound production. Its only the guys who frequent message boards and want something to bitch about.


Metallica IS heavy metal. The Black album is the epitome of metal. The went away from the "thrash" stuff for a while, but not metal.   Load and Re-load delved into other areas.  Blues-ier rock, acoustic stuff. But they never stopped being a metal band.

They only like AFD if anything.  And those are the more "open-minded" 'tallica fans.

OMG a piano!  Burn the heretic!

An album that took 15 years, lulz!

When I went to the Metallica show last month, I felt like i had stepped into the cradle of idiocy.

My Dad barely knows what a message board is, and even he could tell there was something clearly wrong with the production of the album..

The black album is the main reason why they are NOT heavy metal any longer...that is a hard rock record...now "Master of Puppets" can be called the epitome of metal...

It's all rock n roll to me....

As some one who saw a few of the '92 shows- they were a nice compliment to each other (on stage at least). Metallica (back then) was the consistent blue collar "plug in and play" biker/trucker band that tore shit up night after night. GN'R was the unpredictable "larger than life" world's biggest rock band of mega stars. Axl, Slash and Duff were all world famous celebrities and the music was grandiose on a Led Zeppelin/Pink Floyd scale. It was an "explosive" (no pun intended) combination. :hihi:

Things have certainly changed since then. Metallica went "corporate" with their hair cuts, changing musical style and suing of fans IMHO. Guns N' Roses went AWOL and (rightly or wrongly) their shows are basically viewed as kind of a "unicorn" or "big foot" sighting type event now IMHO (in the US at least). That said- who cares- the music by both bands still fucking rocks and it would be the tour of the Summer of 2009 (no doubt). I think they should man up and do this as a way of "giving back" to rock music and as a way of possibly setting the stage for a rock revival for younger bands. :peace:

I assumed it was all water under the bridge after Lars performed with the band in 2006.

And with Axl thanking Lars and Metallica on Chinese Democracy. My guess is that it IS water under the bridge for the most part- but that it doesn't necessarily mean they're in a real hurry to hit the road together again...

This woud be very cool! I seen Metallica this summer, they were awesome.

If Lars really is pretty tight with Axl and the boys, and the bands have settled their differences since the UYI/Black Album tour (which I begrudgingly have to admit that might be more attributable to GNR's previous conduct), I don't see why this wouldn't be a great idea.  Both bands have awesome music, new albums, and are mind-blowing live.  In my book, this would be the best possible combination of two active bands to see on the same bill, and if it could realisitically happen, I hope they do it.

Fingers crossed 8)

they'll be coming up on the 20 year anniversary of the first Guns/tallica tour in just a few more years.. would be awesome.

Everyone needs to uncross their fingers and stop wishing upon a star for this to happen.  Not gonna happen.  If, and at this point its a BIG if, GNR tours in 09 expect more D List bands and strippers to open for Guns so they can go on late. 

Is it just me or does it seem like all good ideas that would help the album are being avoided like the plague by Axl?  I guess we should be happy we have the album...But it's such a masterpiece, and I just really wish he was doing a whole lot more to get it out there.

before axl even considers letting metallica open for him, i hope he makes james offer an apology for all the shit-talking he did back in the 90's.  "axl pose?"  FUCK YOU JAMES!

Yea, I mean, the way Axl has handled himself during this release is maybe the exact opposite of a poser. Axl is arguably the most Rock N' Roll motherfucker ever for doing what he is doing... which is nothing. I actually love that he has given a big fuck you to promotion for CD. So fucking Rock N' Roll.

Fuck that and Fuck Metallica.  GnR is wwwwwaaaaaaayyyyyyyy out of their league. 


Of course, ANYTHING would be better than Bullet for my Valentine.  {who?  exactly...}

Mix Master Mike anyone??

I might be the only one who saw that tour that didn't hate him. ;)

I totally agree. Fuck you James Hetfield! He is a frustrated poser himself. I don't need to see childish Metallica touring with Gunners. I just want Gunners!
I also agree with Budha master. I love the fact that Axl has given a big fuck you to promotion for CD. More rockstars should do that.

i really don't think axl has given a big fuck you to promotion and i don't see why more people should not promote great things, if lame music and movies didn't promote their shit, that i could do with but grear music not being promoted? makes no sense to me

Well I guess it would be something to see the two bands do a tour together. But I really don't think G&R has to do that. If they go out on their own they will be just fine......... :smoking: :beer:

Just look at this topic...Look at the strong and often heated opinions of some of the posters here!!! And Im sure the same heated opinions are held by Metallica fans...

Now, increase the number of heated GnR and Metallica fans by, lets say, 100 and then throw these 100 fans into a crowd of 20 to 40 thousand fans. Add to that the fact that most fans of either band will be easy to pick out due to T-shirts etc...and then throw in the fact that some fans will hurl insults at Metallica and others at GnR...

Can you imagine the powder keg that could potentially be??? It wouldnt take much to set off that bomb.

Now the riots that occured last time were bad enough, and that was fans attacking police and equipment...Imagine a brawl involving around 20,000 people!!!

Fuck that would be horrid. People would die for sure.

This is why, although Id love to see it, I seriously doubt it would happen, and if it did it wouldnt happen in mainland USA and maybe not even in some parts of Europe.

if they do tour together, i'm going to make a sign that says 'apologize to axl!'  i'll wave the shit out of that until i get james (fat asshole) to see it.  lars is cool, but james has not proven himself yet.

also, if they tour together gnr better close the show every night.  if not, axl should tell james to kindly fuck off.  nobody wants to wait all night for metallica.  but axl has proven that they're willing to do it for him.

Interesting take.

I would agree. It has always been a love gn'r n' hate metallica or love metallica n' hate gn'r thing between those two bands for as long as i can remember. Even before they toured together the first time.

I'm into dangerous things so I would love for this to happen, but it would of course not be cool if someone died because of it.

I honestly don't see any substance in this tho. I mean, James and Axl on the same bill? Is all this really realistic? Doubht it...

well, I would imagine most fans would not make trouble if James and Axl would just give the other a nice compliment, and if Axl did that, most of you hating on Metallica would not be so vocal anymore..

Now thats funny. 

Yeah, James should definetely apologize to Axl, after all it was totally James' fault that he got hit by a firework and then Axl didn't even want to go on afterwards and pulled out soon after he did. 

It would be an excellent show, and it would do Gnr a world of good in terms of exposure.  Death Magnetic has been huge, and they are also great anyway.  And I really don't think you can just step out of the limelight for 17 years, and then expect to be headlining all over again.  Gnr has to do some work to get back to the top, and if that includes playing with Metallica then they should jump at the chance. 

Did you miss the 2006 North American tour?

It was about two years ago.

And they headlined festival in Europe that summer.

On top of that, they played arenas in Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan in 2007.




/jarmo

I think he meant headlining over Metallica.  That is the topic.

I know that, but i'm fairly sure they didn't sell out most of those shows, other than in places like MSG?  And they were arenas, not stadiums. 
My point is, after touring with big bands of the time like Alice Cooper, Aerosmith in the 80's, they were able to sell out virtually every show on the UYI Stadium tour. 

This is not bashing in anyway, don't get me wrong.  But sales of CD have been somewhat underwhelming so I just think it would be good if they toured with a big band of the moment, to get their name out there as a band who are still fucking great.  And Metallica would be a great band to tour with. 

I think the important thing to remember is that the bands and their fans are all 17 years older now than they were in 1992. I was 16 years old in 1992 and would have gladly mixed it up with any Metallica fans talking shit about GN'R. This time around (if they were to tour together again)- at 32/33 and with a wife to answer to and a job to go to in the morning- I'd probably just laugh, shake my head, and go back to enjoying the fact that I'm hearing "Prostitute" live for the first time ever in my life or whatever. I'm sure it would go that way for most fans of both bands these days too...

From the bands' perspective... I would expect they would both be focused on acting very professionally with one another this time around and making it "all about the music". My guess is that the '92 Tour leaves a bitter sweet taste in most of their mouths (and what could have been)... Here would finally be an opportunity to address it with a kick ass tour. Just my opinion though...

Touring with Alice Cooper and Aerosmith was GN'R touring with a bands they looked up to. Just like when they opened for the Rolling Stones.




Not sure if Metallica's core audience is the same as GN'R's.

You think they are open minded enough to embrace Chinese Democracy?




/jarmo

No.

Like I said earlier in this thread, most of their fans are meatheads.

I love Metalliac, er, 'tallica, and they put on a fantastic show, but I could not wait to get the fuck out of the Forum when the show ended.  At that moment in time, the Forum was the cradle of idiocy.  Every bad "metal" stereotype was enforced to its fullest extent.

Tony even flattened a beer can with his forehead during the wait.

Ok but I'm sure to a certain extent they have respect for Metallica, and the fact those are bands they looked up to was a bonus.  They also toured with bands like The Cult, Iron Maiden (which I know they didn't enjoy) and Motley Crue who weren't really worshipped.  

They (or at least Axl) clearly understood that they had to go with Bands who were big at the time and played music of a similar type so as to gain exposure/popularity.

And the Metallica thing is the same theory today, they both basically play a form of Heavy Rock.  Guns N' Roses less so, and Metallica more so.  

And I have several friends who are more metallica lovers, and think Chinese Democracy is pretty good.  So on the strength of that, I'd say yes they are open minded enough.  When I went to see Metallica in September I was wearing my Gnr t-shirt and a lot of people spoke to me about Gnr, saying they'd love to see them again etc.  And Metallica (along with AC/DC) is one of the biggest heavy rock bands of today.

Can't see it happening.

they would be co-headlining w/ Metallica again..Going on last didn't make them the headliner in 1991..So I don't know why it would now..I'm still hopeing GN'R tour alone, as Jarmo pointed out, will the typical Metallica fan be open enough to CD?
If they do co-headline with I hope it's Aerosmith..Not sure if Aersmiths ego would let GN'R close out the show..And usually co-headlining means 2 90 min sets, instead of 2 hours...

I take my last post regarding Aerosmith, back I would love a co-headlining tour w/ EXTREME.....They are more than More Than Words...Check them out...Saw them live last year, and they were incredible.....
Still I prefer GN'R w/ 1-2 openers.

What's a typical Metallica fan?  The irony there is you guys are the ones who sound closed- minded and a little pompous.   And why CD specifically?  Isnt CD Guns and Roses? Its the same band,right?  Why single out CD?  Guns N Roses is Guns N Roses according to some logic. And look at other bands who have opened for Metallica. Korn, Days of the New, Jerry Cantrell... And people were just fine with that.  As much as there is the tired Metallica vs. GnR debate, most fail to realize that the fan-base is very much the same.  The bottom line though, is that GnR is not a big enough attraction anymore to have Metallica open for them, as some have suggested. Even a co-headlining tour is pushing it, but some-what conceivable.

The same people who were upset when they cut their hair? Who didn't like St Anger?  ;)


Chinese Democracy isn't your basic metal record.

Korn opening for Metallica isn't weird. They're still considered metal.


Hell, even the Use Your Illusion albums are far from your typical metal record. ;)






/jarmo

Nothing GnR ever did after AFD could be considered "basic metal" or "typical" by any means. Thats what made them so legendary.

So a "typical" GnR fan then doesnt consider CD a GnR record, but an Axl solo record by that logic.  I hear just as many, if not more, fans making the "solo project" statement than there were fans upset about a hair-cut.   "Typical" does not mean "most vocal" or "bitchiest"


True, they are metal, but were considered a different "flavor" when they were new. A taste where you would need an "open mind".   And you didnt address my other two examples, Days of the New and Jerry Cantrell.  I didnt even bring up bands like Kid Rock, Limp Bizcuit, Deftones, System, Lincoln Park, and other bands that a "typical" Metallica fan would be too closed minded to embrace.

I would still say that there is songs on CD i will concider metal in a for or another.. maybe a new form..

So i dont concider that a problem


But then again, im not sure if every typical metallica fans will be open for CD. But some will and are..

True, there are GN'R fans who haven't moved on from 1987.



Having Jerry open is like when Baz opened for GN'R. They helped out a friend.


GN'R seems to have a broader spectrum of opening acts. Anything from Weezer to Mixmaster Mike.... The latter didn't exactly go over that well.





My point is that I see GN'R have more in common with other acts than Metallica.

But it all depends what you're after.

Do you want to play for a crowd that you really have to fight to win over and even then it might fail?

Or do you wanna play for a crowd that might be easier to win over...





/jarmo

I think Metallica's way too big for even trying to define what the "typical" fan is like. It's like, what is a typical person who likes ice cream? Er... dunno? :D

Are those "typical" GnR fans?
I understand that. Whether they should or shouldnt play with Metallica wasnt my point. Although, like I said, the fan-base is more the same then some of you realize. Just look at Chinese Democracy on Itunes for example, "Listeners also bought:"  Death Magnetic is the first album listed.   I was more just arguing against what a "typical" Metallica fan is.  I actually do  think GnR would go over just fine if they played with Metallica, but they should definatly headline a tour of there own.

No idea.

I would hope not.  :nervous:


The funny thing is that you got GN'R fans who are into Poison. Personally I can't stand those clowns.

Then you got GN'R fans who like electronic music, rap and even Bon Jovi!

Which one is the typical fan?  :hihi:



/jarmo

it'll be awesome when a bunch of headbanging meatheads get to hear this i love live.  prepare for some massive converts to the church of axl!!!

Exactly my point. Although you used the term "core-audience" when you referred to Metallica. Its almost the same as saying "typical fan."

Yes.

Almost.





/jarmo

Ok then, GnR's "core audience"  consideres CD an Axl solo project.  Just like Metallica's "core-audience" are a bunch of mono-syllabic beer drinkers.

I said "almost".

You forgot to mention headbanging and the \m/ sign!  :hihi:



/jarmo

Fun.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/guernsey/content/images/2007/02/12/31_head_banging_470x352.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x188/izzypump/beavis_and_butthead_headbanging.gif)

Metallica/Guns N' Roses/Nine Inch Nails would be cool for a tour. Three 90 minutes sets :smoking:

LOL, I just realised that I actually fall into all of the above categories.  ;D

fuck that.  there's no way axl will ever share a stage with trent reznor.  he's the piece of shit that stole finck away and broke up the greatest frontman/lead guitarist combo of a generation.  trent reznor is probably the reason axl isn't touring this very minute.

I love GnR and some Metallica...never got NIN - really tried for a chick once, too...I guess that just reinforces the 'you never can tell' thing about peoples musical taste.

lets not carried away :hihi: "the greatest frontman/lead guitarist combo of a generation"

I can apprciate your enthusiasm but I think Dexter himself would say thats a stretch : ok:

i agree.  my opinion of finck is better now since cd was released.  i was pleasantly surprised cause i hate his live playing - especially his solos.  but his work on cd is really good.  i stand corrected - but definitely not the greatest frontman/lead combo of a generation. 

anyway isn't this thread about the possible met/gnr tour?  i wouldn't hold your breath!

I hit all those marks and more.

GNR have a broad appeal!

you have obviously watched too many live footage from 2000-2002 and not enough 2006.

its all a matter of opinion.    stop flaming people for not sharing your narrow minded its still 1987 views. :rant:

I wouldn't either, its not very likely.   Metallica only said they would never rule anything out.

Did I just read some dude above saying Trent stole Finck away from GN'R Hahahahahaha :hihi:

That is a good one  : ok:

(I really hope that was suppose to be funny)

This would be phenominal if it happened...wow that would rock..GNR and Metallica touring again to new albums

i'd rather see tool with gnr.


yeah he's too modest and it will be more like "the greatest front man lead guitarists combo of all time".

Yeah, I guess Robin doesn't have a say who he plays for... :rofl:

actually i have seen plenty of 2006 and he still is poopoo live.  everyone should use the restroom and go get a drink while he plays his solos - at least then half the audience wouldn't be sleeping by the end of the solo.

Uh....sure.

I disagree by 100%. I think Robin is a bad ass on guitar. I'm really hoping to see him with GNR again one day.

I disagree, he is expendable and I would gladly step in and mop the floor with his ass on guitar.  Nice guy?  Sure.  Real rock player?  No way.  Bucket on the other hand, BADASS.  Finck is the only GNR player in the history of GNR that I actually thought I was better than.  HA.

+1

Robin kicks MAJOR ass IMHO- in fact he's probably my all-time favorite Guns N' Roses guitarist. He is a bit of an "acquired taste" though with his dissonant/feedback style- so I can see why some don't immediately gravitate towards him. That said, those same people never seem to be able to explain why Axl and Trent Reznor are SO enamored with Robin though. People may not like his style/sound- but he's obviously not a hack...

While I think GNR could survive without Robin, to say he's not a "real rock player" is laughable and just plain wrong.  I'm no guitar virtuoso by any stretch but I don't think it's just a coincidence that Robin has been a member of 2 of the biggest bands in the past 20 years.  I don't think he's THAT nice a guy.  His talent has to have something to do with it.

you better than Finck?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

what a fucking joke.   Robin has more talent in his pinky finger than you could ever hope for.

a "real rock player"?  He's way more than that.

Sure you would. Not!!

Robin Finck is a very gifted musician - and a great guitar player. : ok:

FUCK YOU JIM BOB!

You can't talk to a legend like that!  Who the hell do you think you are, anyway?

You need to apologize THIS INSTANT.

oh shit, for a moment i thought it was D who was posting about how he is a better musician than Robin

Well...Robin sure aint no Kirk Hammett.

Thankfully not many people are.

See now I find Bucket to be embarrassing. I don't need some clown in a costume doing robot dances and flinging nunchuck's around at a GNR show.

Guys, no point in arguing this.  Its amazing how we all have CD and all have different ideas on the guitars.  I thought bucket dominated this album. Many of you think Finck was the MVP.  That is fine.  Still doesn't change my opinion that Finck live is very sloppy with often horrible tone.

It's one thing to prefer Buckethead over Robin, but to claim that the guy has no talent is taking it a bit far.  I'm sure Bucket himself would even disagree with you there.

ditto to faldor. why neither axl or trent asked a couple of board members to join their bands is a mystery to us.
and lay off your embarrassment russtcb.

They must have bad taste.

Excuse me?

What do you mean "lay off your embarrassment"? It's my opinion and more importantly it's the truth. I talked several people into seeing GNR in 02 that otherwise would've never considered it. I ended up being completely embarrassed because I had no answers when people were asking me why the guy was doing all that ridiculous shtick.

He has some talent, I will give him that, but I would rather have Fortus or Gilby Clarke playing lead over Finck.

Gilby Clarke?

Are you for real?

birds of a feather flocks together doesn't mean any truth than an opinion.

Right, it's my opinion and there's no reason for someone to tell me to "lay off" it. Certainly not you.

someone had to and it happened to me this isn't a thread or a place to diss the members on cd. lets alone their costume.

Someone had to? Huh? Don't they have mods that decide that in places like this?

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. Others brought up Robin sucking and Bucket being better and I disagreed. Oh and it's not only Bucket's costume that I dissed, it's his whole shtick.

Some don't like Buckethead's "act", some think they're better than Robin....

There's all kinds of people.





/jarmo

and some like GNR as it is.  :)

like i ignored them?

what you said about bh has nothing to do with his guitar playing.

if my words sounded harsh, i apologise but really you didn't have to bring bh's looks argument to this thread. Do you need another off topic war?

Adz, at least when Gilby bends a string, he hits the note he is trying to hit.  Unlike Finck who is flat or sharp 98% of the time.

I'm as big of a Gilby Clarke fan as there is out there IMHO... but no way would I want him on lead guitar over Robin Finck. :nervous:

I honestly think the "sloppiness" or flat/sharp thing is really just Robin's "style"... which you obviously don't like... which is cool... but I think you're mistaken to think he's up there just fucking up left and right. It's intentional... and pretty damn unique (i.e. I love how I can always pick out Robin's guitar live or on tracks) IMHO...

Different strokes for different folks though. : ok:

How do you know Robin isn't playing exactly what he wants to play? Did he tell you he didn't hit what he was intending to? Thought not, keep your bullshit to yourself from now on please. The rest of us are getting rather sick of it.

This is not the point of the thread but after hearing CD and GNR Live.  Fincks contribution to the band is way more then Gilby.  Finck is a much better player and plays hard with emotion.  Besides Gilby should keep doing things with Supernova.

Guys, I wasn't serious when I said Gilby, my point was, that there are a million other players that could do what he does better.  There isn't anything "signature" about him.  And Chineseblues, bending to the wrong note is very obvious. Because in music and theory you will learn that certain notes work only over certain chords yada yada yada.  Well, if you miss badly, it sounds like total ass.  Everyone hits a bad bend here and there, and that is usually do to the loudness of the stage etc, but he just does it more than any other pro guitar player if have ever seen.  I am glad you love it so much.  But Fortus and Bumble and Bucket seem to have no problem with their pitch and staying in the proper key. 

Chords and theory are also constantly changing.  Some people often think new or different scales they aren't familiar with sound dissonant, but others hear the beauty in it.   I can hear the beauty in Finck's playing, live and on the album.  It's different, and definitely has a "signature" sound to it.

I would take either of these GNR alum in GNR over Finck.  Sorry.  And there are only what, 12 notes in western music?  Playing like shit doesn't have a mode, theory, scale, etc... HA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS3Xi1CCb60

Kind of weird seeing Traci Guns and Gilby Clark on the same stage playing a cover made famous by GNR.

Absolutely, not! They never switched. Faith No More opened, then Metallica, then gnr...EVERY show...

I could have sworn we had like 144 pages of Finck's out and Finck sucks to make the haters happy, How'd it end up in here?  I encourage all the Pro guitarists here to send Axl a link to their myspace music pages.

Absolute bullshit.


You know as well as I do that if I played you a track with Robin on it you could tell me the prominent 'Robin' guitar moments.

hell yea... his tone is very unique and instantly recongnizable.

Some people just don't "get" him, and thats their loss.

nothing against Gilby, he did his job well on the UYI tour.. but he's no Robin Finck.   He doesn't have anywhere near the creativity or stage charisma.

wasnt this a thread about Metallica?

I see what you some of you are saying about Robin, he is a VERY sloppy player, but I am pretty sure that is his style.  I dont think he is fucking up, that is just his signature sound... it is also a great sound that he has added to the new record, and really makes the new album very different than anything we have heard before.

oh I am also on board with hating Bucketheads whole act...Love his guitar work, but talking through a rubber chicken was a little lame...

yea Smoking Guns?   

just haters trying to distract from the topic so they can bash people they envy.

ANYWAY, I HATE METALLICA  ;D

Not sure this tour would be a great idea.

Axl is still doing the exact same things that irked Metallica so much...eg late starts, early finishes, propensity to maybe not showing up ( at least in time for the show not to be cancelled by nervous promoters.....eg im on a plane at starting time)

New Guns is a  clearly better band than Metallica at this stage whereas both were basically prime back in 92. Im not a Metallica fan though im sure the music would still be powerful....hopefully early material heavy.

My impression is that as powerful a double bill as it may be, it'd be courting disaster unless Metallica and Axl had a watertight agreement ( with monetary fines),  preventing the problems they had on the first go round.
The issues metallica had with Axl ( im unaware of any issues they had with the other guys but there may have been some) would need resolution. Im unaware if Axl had any real gripes with Metallica other than Hetfield slagging him, though from the outside it appears somewhat justified.

Id personally prefer a bill of
The Verve
Radiohead
GNR

Aint gonna happen though
Or GNR with one of the following support acts/co headliners
The Verve
Prodigy
Primal Scream
The Strokes
Nick Cave ( In Aust/Europe,,,,US wouldnt get it)
Anyone but Seb Bach :) ( still cant believe he screamed....2007 Mothertruckers at the gig i saw.......wanted him to spontaneously combust at that point, silly loudmouthed hair metal dick)

Stiil any GNR tour would be welcomed, I really love the new album and to hear it live would be excellent.

Nick Cave and Guns n' Roses would be awesome, but I don't think that would ever happen.
In my wildest dreams I see GnR as co headliners with The Beatles or The Doors. Think about it, it would be the most amazing show ever in the whole universe! Of course, that is quite impossible  ;D

What is more realistic is a tour with Aerosmith. That would ROCK. But than again I think the ego's are a bit to big for that.
Why not THe Killers as support act and than 2 and a half hour show of Gunners? I could live with that  :o

Early finishes?  I can think of maybe.. one that has happened? It's not exactly a common occurence.

Those opening acts.. can you talk about any more of a culture clash?

Radiohead, The Verve and Guns N' Roses?

What is this, britpop throwback + current, good music?

Off the top of my head I can only remember one in 06 and I was at the only one I can think of in 02.

Guns N Roses.  : ok:

because they're too big to support guns in 99% of markets.......

On what authority do you say that?

anyhoo, how about fleet foxes?

too indie.
too folk.
too soft.

GNR and sabbath, now that's a co-headlining tour!


all the ole geezers in sabbath might go to bed early too so they could "open" :)

this is one of the most MISLEADING titles to a thread i've ever seen.

here is the video of the actual question and answer (the question is asked around the 19:05 mark):

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid959035280?bctid=7255064001

and here is a much better summary of what was actually said...

Being inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is a real honour, but it has its drawbacks. Cue Metallica being put through their paces at what will surely be one of many 'welcome to the Hall' press conferences.

After a barrage of questions from journalists vying for the following day's Metallica exclusive, here's how it ended?

Journalist: "On the topic of drama and tragedy, would you guys ever consider touring with Guns N' Roses again now that they're back out there?"

Drummer Lars Ulrich actually shakes his head and mouths "no," before becoming a bit more diplomatic: "As James was saying earlier 'we're road dogs and we love to tour' so if that opportunity ever came in the right situation, of course."

James Hetfield adds: "We've learned to never say never because you don't know what hurdle or what great thing is going to be handed to you."

"Actually, all four of us really like Chinese Democracy," continued Ulrich. "I think it's a great record. Who knows, we never say no to anything."

Finally guitarist Kirk Hammett chips in with: "I think the question is would they tour with us?"

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/would-metallica-tour-with-guns-n-roses-192553

um, okay i read it... metallica said they love the  new album and would like to tour with gnr, but that they're not sure if gnr would want to tour with them. 

soooooo... how is the title of this thread misleading?  sounds like an offer to me. 

 the actual answer didn't make any offer. the stupidity of the media did as usual.


so that they'd make a beautiful contrast to each other.

yeah it vary misleading Metallicas coming to the Chi tomarrow i think i would know if that were to happen

The Killers are certainly bigger than GNR here in the UK, and also attract a different audience. When I saw Motley Crue last, in 07, they had Papa Roach. That sort of band (not necessarily a nu-metal one) would be the best bet for GNR, one they have actually influenced, as the support act will be more into it and I dunno, I sensed a real vibe for Papa Roach at that Crue gig because peopel could tell how chuffed Jacoby was to be supporting one of his fave bands (GNR being another favourite of his, of course).

now that would be something else!

When I saw GN'R in '06, Papa Roach opened for them.  While I personally do like Papa Roach, I didn't sense that vibe of the crowd that you're talking about.  That said, I'd be fine with them as an opening act, they put on a good show!

Maybe I was drunk, or maybe Crue fans are different, I dunno

I like Papa Roach. When I first posted on GNR forums, back in, must have been 2001, got quite a bit of stick for being a fan of theirs. But they've actually really grown musically over the years, and you can hear the influence from my favourite bands (ie GNR & Motley Crue) much more in the 3rd & 4th albums, I'd certainly be happy to see them support Guns. My main point was any band of that sort of age who were actually influenced by GNR would be a good bet though  ;D

http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKTRE4AT2BH20081130
fourth paragraph says it all. 

That wasn't even close to an offer.  Ulrich actually mouthed the word no before even answering.  He then went on to say if it was the right situation then yeah.  Hetfield said never say never.  I would be more inclined to believe it is just being politically correct for lack of a better word just so there are no ruffled feathers.

Offer?  Nope.
Nice comments?  Yes.

It's not because The Killers are more popular than Gnr at the moment that it means they are bigger than GnR.  Guns n' Roses are a legend, The Killers are just a popular band at the time. I hope they will get legendary too, because I really like them. I don't see why this would be impossible. Both bands could benefit from this. GnR can tour with a polular band of this time (= bigger audience + 'possibly' new fans) and The Killers can tour with a big all time band (will improve their status). On top of that Axl likes The Killers.

Papa Roach I saw 10 years ago opening for Aerosmith. They seemd quite boring than. Although I am not in a fair position to judge them 'cause I haven't heard anything from them since then.

Well Mix Master Mike = Culture clash I would have thought??? Whats wrong with variety on a bill.....should they really have to dumn it down that much ???
Plus good music shouldnt be pigeonholed I feel. I wouldnt consider Verve or Radiohead as Britpop by and stretch......Blur yes. Then Damon Albarn has done some great music since then also.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having opening acts from different genres. It can be quite refreshing actually.


A guess a similar effect could be had by playing a festival that isn't your ordinary metal festival.

Like Coachella for example.




/jarmo

Yeah?  Well Metallica's "meathead" fans weren't the ones rioting and destroying venues the last time the two bands toured together.


I really find it humorous to call Metallica (or anyone) childish in the topical presence of Axl Rose.  That other comment was laughable too...the notion that Axl should make James apologize before allowing them to open for him?  Firstly, Axl should be the one apologizing to Metallica for all of his 1990s antics which disrupted their mutual tour back then.  Secondly, Axl would need Metallica more than they need him.  These days, they sell more records and tickets.  So it wouldn't exactly be a huge "privilege" for Metallica to be "allowed" to open for Axl.

GN'R fans aren't exactly a bunch of intellectuals either...

slightly off topic.......but i read somwhere that people who listen to rock / metal tend to be rather intelligent as opposed to those who listen to pop / dance / r&b / etc etc etc ill try to find the article for you

Makes sence imo.  :hihi:

Of course.  We have a lot of posters here who come off as intelligent.  But if you go to some other site that may or may not be dedicated to Guns N' Roses, you get a different feeling.

My first Guns show was at the Inland Invasion.  You know, the show where people started fires in various locations and started throwing bottles and other debris at other fans and toward the stage.  And throughout the day, I witnessed so many things I would rather not mention. 

Sure, listeners of Yes and Pink Floyd are bound to drive up the percentage of "smart" rockers.

But when I go to a rock show, I check out my surroundings and ask myself how so many apes could have possibly swindled their employers into giving them jobs.

That's what happens when the powers to be play a My Chemical Romance video on repeat for an hour :hihi:

I was worried for your safety.  I was expecting you and your dad to land in my section at any moment's notice.

Your voice after the show was completely shot! Twas like you'd been a carton a day smoker for life :hihi:

No shit, Sherlock.  I was shrieking like a little girl when Axl took the stage.  He's so hawt.

Do you think Metallica would ever tour with GN'R without the "original" line up besides Lars, Of course?
As I have stated, I would love it but could you ever really see it happening?


 :peace:

why would the lineup matter to metallica?

WONT HAPPEN  :no:

Didn't one of the 'tallica members say they'd be keen to tour with the traditional line up of Guns?


 :peace:

I didn't see the comment.
why they'd be keen to tour with the old lineup?
I don't get it.

If they like the ex members they can always tour with them. But they haven't, have they?

And they like cd a lot.

The Killers are selling more records, and I'd imagine would sell more tickets. That makes them bigger currently IMO, of course if we went on all-time status then no, they aren't as big. But being big in the past isn't really relevant when you're discussing whether one band would open for another.

Then again, I guess Guns were probably bigger than the Stones when they opened for them? And I remember Oasis opening for U2 when they were the biggest band in the world.

I believe it, but that's not what my initial post meant.  I was referring to the maturity and behavior of the fans in questions rather than their intelligence.  Insulting Metallica fans by calling them "meatheads" (or anything else) in the comparitive face of Guns N Roses fans is rather hypocritical given the fact that GNR fans were the ones rioting and tearing up the inside and outside of venues.  That doesn't have to do with their intelligence, but their maturity and self-control.

Exactly. When it comes down to who is opening for who that always depends on status, not on current sales.

(That's why Guns n' Roses will never open for Metallica... ;))

yes but Metallica is not a relatively new band like the Killers who is just outselling Guns N Roses at the moment...Metallica has been around LONGER than Guns N Roses and have been selling millions of records and selling out stadiums/arenas on a routine basis for the last 25 years, not to mention they just got inducted into the hall of fame..Metallica is far and above the "bigger" band...now does "bigger" mean "better" or course not...Guns N Roses are still the BETTER band...."Death Magnetic" sold more copies in the first 2 days than "Chinese Democracy" sold in over 2 months., and it is currently higher on the charts than "Democracy" despite being out for over 2 months longer.....But while "DM" is a good album, "CD" BLOWS it away in my opinion...Bigger doesnt always mean better...and this is a perfect example...

I absolutely agree with you.
I was just being a bit tongue in cheek saying that Gunners will never open Metallica.
They won't. Never.

Before GNR does any touring (if they want bigger audiences-which create a better atmosphere and result in more money) they themselves need to promote this album and the new band. 

The majority of people out their don't even know who is in the band.  Axl should address this and many other things at some point (like I think he will).  Lets face it, letting people in, creates a bigger interest.  Playing live on a few  shows and giving a couple interviews will help this tramendously.  Also, a lot of people still don't even know the album is out.

Millions of people don't shop in the music section at Best Buy,  or listen to the local rock station that might play new GNR once or twice a day. These same people might not play Rock Band and Im sure many more millions of people don't wait till the end credits of a movie to hear a song and if they do, certainly don't wait longer to figure out who is singing.

Now im not saying these are bad promotional outlets (there good!)  But there is more that needs to be done. 

This is however, if GNR wants to get a huge fan base again?  And Im pretty sure they do and hope these things will happen.

My point is that I want GNR to be big again,  because the music they put out is deserving.  If they put out a crappy album, that would be one thing.  But Chinese Democracy deserves the best promotion and these band members deserve the best promotion, because they did a great job.  I understand this is up to Axl, but I think it would be a shame to see crowds again like the last US tour.  Because their bigger than that!

I hope they don't tour before these things happen or I think it would be dissapointing         

I don't know who are exactly  in the killers, metellica and other bands  in this thread . :-[

i'm not, but the fact is Fink has 1 songwriting credit on the album.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that ""the greatest frontman/lead guitarist combo of a generation" should have more than one song written between the two of them in that generation.  Don't let the username fool you, I like this album more than anything VR's done.  The composition, performance, lyrics and vocals are far superior to Contraband or Libertad. :o

Yeah, i think Bucket scared people at the shows :hihi:
Though he is pretty sick on guitar and writes better than I originally thought now that the album's come out and you know what he played and co-wrote.  That being said, I hate what he did to some of the solo's off AFD as some were pretty unrecognizable during the 02 tour, from what I've seen of online snippets.

yeah, i agree - finck fucked up a lot of afd solos back then too!!  much better last tour though

FINCK RULES! but...isnt this another topic?

Yes, this is not the right thread for that.



/jarmo

i agree with u on that it just makes the experence that much more exciting

I just got home from the Metallica show, awesome 2 plus hour set ending at 11:15. Even though that would be Axl's happy time to hit the stage, trying to follow that act with his current lineup would be a recipe for disaster.

The musical directions are just too diffferent at this time.

went last night also. awesome show and metallica will blow the doors off gnr on stage right now. last night could have been one of the best shows i've seen in years.

Can't agree with you mate. I went to a Metallica show in the summer. I suppose the setlist is pretty much the same and I do think that GN'R will blow them off. Of course, I cannot prove that, noone can, only time will show.

Don't get me wrong, I love Metallica, but I prefer GN'R show only.

last nights setlist

That Was Just Your Life
The End Of The Line
Ride The Lightning
For Whom the Bell Tolls
One
Broken, Beat And Scarred
Cyanide
Sad But True
...And Justice For All
All Nightmare Long
The Day That Never Comes
Master Of Puppets
Battery
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman
- - - - - - - -
Blitzkrieg
Hit The Lights
Seek and Destroy

More or less the same with not  that much new songs.

metallica blow the doors off of gnr?  yeah right.  keep dreaming.  i love metallica but they have failed to grow and challenge themsleves to reach new heights like gnr has done.  i think the crowds will be happy to hear metallica be the same old metallica, but they will react with amazement and wonderment at gnr's bold new directions.

That is 6 of 18 songs from the new CD. With nothing from the 3 prior records, so they skipped a 15 year stretch of material.

And Axl skipped 15 years entirely, so maybe it is a fit. I am a huge fan of both bands.

But I just saw Metallica OWN a sold out arena on their terms with an awesome stage set.

Axl OWNED the tiny Hammerstein Ballroom when I went in 2006. Now I want to see GNR embrace the best of their entire catalog and blow away the same arena ( Prudential Center ) with a stage set just for them.

Ive seen Metallica once and GNR 3 times.

Perhaps people who have seen both bands more often can answer.

But Axl seems to have his vocals way down in the mix....perhaps he's slightly insecure??? Whereas the 1 time I saw Metallica James's vocals were high in the mix despite the music being more 'powerful'......Always seemed strange to me as GNRs strong point ( well the strongeEST point) is the vocal line/melody)

I love early metallica....though as a side note they lost theyre best songwriter and musician in Dave Mustaine.....but the idea of seeing both bands now would appeal. I cant see how they could resolve the problems that came up first time around, as the problematic behaviour hasnt altered.

The only scenario is if both bands had a 90 minute limit and GNR opened on a co headlining bill....which simply wont happen. I cant see Metallica being willing to risk more riots.....but then they are sellouts nowadays, so if the money is right who knows.
Axl god love him....I doubt he'd be so willing .

Thats all Metallica HAS done their entire career, and they have remained the biggest band in the world.   GnR is at new heights?  Since when?  It seems that there are a lot of bitter GnR fans around here when it comes to Metallica. I dont get it.  Is it because Metallica took the reigns and ran with them to new hights when GnR dropped off the radar?  Both bands are great.  You are allowed to enjoy both, and most people do.

Commerical success has nothing to do with quality. So I would assume the poster meant that GNR is at new heights creatively since the release of Chinese Democracy.

As far as Metallica goes, I'd say that just because they released a commercially popular retread of their older material doesn't make them any "better" then GNR.

I know that commercial success isnt the measuring stick for quality. But as great as CD is, its not "new heights" for GnR by any definition. Its a new direction maybe. Buts its no great "creative" jump from AFD or UYI.   
   Also, Death Magnetic is in no way a "retread" of older material. They embraced some of the aspects of past material, sure.  Longer songs, more thrash elements, more instrumental aspects to songs, etc. But its not a retread of Master of Puppets by a long shot. Death Magnetic brings elements from post-Black album work, just as much as "old Metallica" work.  Death Magnetic is a progression from past work, thats all. Saying its a retread is just a cop-out.
   I love both bands. I NEVER said Metallica was "better" than GnR. GnR is by far my favorite band.  And I do believe that Chinese Democracy is a lot better than Death Magnetic.  My previous post was just commenting on why some GnR fans are so bitter towards Metallica, thats all.

so what band made a "great creative" jump?  ???


I hear in some country Death Magnetic has sold like half as much as cd has.

Metallica have their own thread in Bad Obsession.

That's where your reviews should be posted.




/jarmo

I like Metallica a lot.... but come on.

Axl v. Hetfield

Bumblefoot, Finck and Fortus v. Hammett

Stinson v. Trujillo

Brain/Ferrer v. Ulrich

Reed & Pitman v. No One

???

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

GN'R in a fucking landslide talent-wise AND charisma wise (Axl)... Part of the reason I don't think Metallica (in truth) wants any part of touring with GN'R.

And trust me... I understand that Metallica is the "bigger" and "more well known" band with a larger fanbase at this exact point in time... AND I also understand that Metallica outplayed GN'R most nights in '92 (mostly b/c "Old Guns" was well on its way to falling apart). Totally irrelevant. One's a veteran act that's gone back to its roots and is basically playing out the string... and the other is a fresh new band headed by one of the most charismatic frontmen in rock history and just barely scratching the surface of what they're capable of. All the potential is in the GN'R camp... IF Axl decides to tap into it and tour (which is really the more important issue/question).

Metallica played for almost 2 1/2 hours non stop. No running offstage for whatever reasons. No piano solos or 3 guitar solos so the singer can rest up. The reason metallica killed gnr in 92 is also the same they are a touring machine band. (and yes i was at 3 of those shows.)

Any running onstage to speak of? Lots of movement?

Or more about walking around banging your head and yelling "hey! hey!" to the crowd?


Did you ever think that what Axl does takes more energy than what many other front men do?

Strumming a guitar and singing is a different game to moving around and singing.


Apples and oranges...



/jarmo

well guess what?  those things aren't necessarily bad.  so what if axl takes a breather every now and then?  if james could sing a millionth as good as axl, i'm sure he'd be willing to grab some oxygen from time to time.  and many people love quality solos.  if metallica had half as much talent in their band, then i'm sure they'd want to do some solos too. 

if you love metallica so much more than gnr, then honestly, why don't you just share those thoughts on a metallica fan site. 

Maybe people actually enjoy piano and/or guitar solos? Ballads? Go figure.

Ill give u Axl over James as a frontman anyday of the week as far as stage presence and energy and vocals are concerned

but then u lose all credibility saying Brain/frank are better than Lars Ulrich on drums? Are u kidding me?

U extremely underrate Kirk Hammett also

I think the solos are also not so much for Axl to rest but to try and introduce the new band to the audience.

Axl did the same stuff on the UYI tour with the solos, so it isn't anything new.

Axl and Hetfield are both still amazing at what they do, both now in their mid-fourties.

These silly arguments here are proof the co-headlining thingie is a bad idea at this time.

Next you're gonna tell me that Richie Sambora is like EVH.

Ulrich!!?!?? Even fucking METALLICA fans knock his playing!!! :hihi: :rofl:

Most people think James would have kicked his ass out years ago if he could have. He couldn't because Ulrich had the $$$ to fund the band in its early days and came up with the name. Perhaps it is less certain with Ferrer- BUT Brain anihilates him. Ask any drummer. And I like Ulrich and think he's a cool guy... as I'm sure most GN'R fans do.

As far as Hammett goes... I LIKE Hammett... but Bumblefoot in particular could play fucking circles around him talent wise... and as far as a "live experience" goes... add on Finck and Fortus and it's not even close.

Again I dig Metallica. I really do- but there is a hell of a lot more pure talent in GN'R right now. 

I still go by what u have written

I'll take Lars drumming on Battery,Master of Puppets, One, etc etc over anything the new guys have done.

Kirk wrote Enter Sandman for fuck's sake, sorry but Bumble foot doesn't have that on his resume.

athens greece 2007 : metallica solid good show, as always
athens greece 2006 : guns n' roses fuckin' amazing

rds dublin 2006 : metallica : good solid show as always
                            guns n' roses : fuckin' amazing

athens greece 1993 : metallica : good solid show as always
                                   guns n' roses : fuckin amazing

This thread has gotten fucking ridiculous...I just saw Metallica the last 2 nights in Jersey, trust me they are not "scared" or "intimidated" when it comes to playing with anyone, they put on a great show with lots of pyro, running around, crowd interaction and sounded great...Metallica put on a flawless show with a different setlist each night...The place was packed to the ceiling..not an empty seat in the place, and tonights show was during the Super Bowl!!  It seems there are alot of fans who are bitter that Metallica went on to be a bigger band than Guns N Roses...get over it...what do you expect?  They tour regularly, never cancel shows, do interviews, make videos, and put  out albums on a regular basis...I still like Guns N Roses more than Metallica, GNR is my favorite band, I dont need GNR to tour on a regular basis, do interviews or put out a billion albums...because the ones they do put out are better than anything Metallica has put out...but there is no need to rag on Metallica for doing what they do...They are the second best band in the world right now in my opinion...behind GNR of course


also keep in mind this thread was started because of the nothing but nice things Metallica said about GNR and "Chinese Democracy"  But lets rip on Metallica anyway... ::)

Thats exactly my point. it's the same as in 92 and metallica kicked their ass then.

Metallica have solo spots between songs in their shows, maybe not as many as GN'R, but I get the vibe that they wanna be all out there playing songs together rather than individual performances. And they have a few ballads in their sets too.

yeah if you consider nothing else matters a ballad. now dont get me wrong i'm a huge gnr fan. i just think when it comes to a live show metallica gives you more for your buck. But i think chinese democracy is a better album than death magnetic.

what else would you call it?

Agree w you!...rediculous! Metallica never offer GNR to tour w them, I saw the press conference and I dont see any invitation there, they just made a comment and they were cool w GNR and CD.  :peace:

i would say it's a metal ballad.

A GnR/Metallica Theatre/Club tour would be sick though

Man, I now have no idea what a ballad is. I thought ballads were love songs. Now it seems any slower song regardless of the theme of the song is a ballad. My bro, who loves CD, made a weird comment about being surprised at how many ballads were on CD. I said beside This I love, what is the other ballad? I don't think anyone knows what a ballad is. Anyone in the know care to enlighten me?

Noun

    * S: (n) ballad, lay (a narrative song with a recurrent refrain)
    * S: (n) ballad, lay (a narrative poem of popular origin)

 ;)


/jarmo

Yeah, it's still a ballad nevertheless

More for your buck?  ???
I have seen Metallica once and it was one of the most boring shows I have ever seen. They started the show by saying 'We are Metallica and we play heavy metal' and than they started waving their hair for the next 2 hours.

I personally think GnR gives you more for your money than any other band (if they show up  :hihi:). A kick ass energetic live show with a good variety of solid rock songs, ballads, Axl rants and guitar and piano solos (yes, I am one of those people who likes guitar and piano solos).

Lucky.

You saw 'tallica when they still had hair.

LOL  :rofl:

Yeah, back in those days...

Metallica are a hard working and reliable rock band who always put everything into their show. To say Metallica are boring live compared to GN'R is just plain ignorant. And I'm not biased either, GN'R's shows I saw in 2007 were awesome too.

I just don't see a reason to knock Metallica to make GN'R sound better. Both bands kick ass :beer:

Don't get me wrong, I am sure that Metallica can be awesome when they are playing live, but it was sure not the time when I saw them live. I am just saying that to me, a non-Metallica fan, they sounded quite boring.

Respect to Metallica. They are a great band and they deserve their place in Rock n' Roll history. I have no intention to knock down Metallica to make GnR sound better. I don't see any reason for that. Both bands can excist without each other.  :beer:

Metallica will be returning to the US for a tour in the fall, that'd be a nice time for GNR to tour -- yes? :hihi:

Yes please.  :drool:

I didn't know so many htgthers from the us were also metallica fans.


supplement

1. narrative song
    a song or poem, especially a traditional one or one in a traditional style, telling a story in a number of short regular stanzas, often with a refrain

2. slow romantic song
    a slow romantic popular song

Yes, it is all water under the bridge.

(If the rumour that Lars may appear in the Better video is true, then he must now know better too!  :hihi:)

Axl playing the piano in Unforgiven III would be awesome!  : ok:

You know how much I like Metallica but, NOW, Metallica arent anywhere near as energetic on stage as GN'R. Guns have been my number 1 forever and 'tallica a close 2nd so I thought it was just me being bias towards them until I watched some videos on youtube of the 2008 tour and without comparing Metallica to GN'R they are not at very energetic on anymore.

The whole band, especially Richard and Axl, go crazy on stage. Hetfeild, Kirk and Rob tend to do alot of walking around, Rob does his helecopter thing, but Lars seems to be the only interesting one left in Metallica. Don't get me wrong, I will be at any Metallica show I can get to but they are just looking tired and worn out.


 :peace:

I may alittle biased too in my view but,

I think the energy differences have alot to do with the different dynamics in the music that the bands are playing.

Death Magnetic's booklet features a very prominent coffin, so maybe that's reflective of the delivery! And the whole tone of the album. Much of the riffs require a hold your stance and play type of feel.

Sometimes, it is the vibe of the audience that determines what type of performance you will give. Some crowds are tough to play, others are more receptive.

I saw footage of Metallica playing End of Days at an Awards ceremony in South America and I thought they gave a great, energetic performance. James went up to Lar's kit and started punching the cymbals...

CD on the other hand has a whole different energy about it. GN'R have alot to celebrate. And the band "go off" accordingly.

Wtf?

It's going to be OK dude, Jarmo liquidated the problem.

Maybe just a shorter way of saying the day that never comes?  :-\


 :peace:

Hey

Maybe they might play together after all:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandjazzmusic/4565706/Metallica-to-play-new-Knebworth-festival.html

this has also been reported in the Times (note: not Tabloid)

I'm keen to buy a ticket - anyway we can find whether GNR are considering it? I might just take the punt, if its a definite no I would like to know. I note that they mention there are not strict curfews so this one might just suit Axl

Cheers

Please let it be! I wouldn't even need to camp there as i could walk home i live so close!!!! Remember listening to Oasis play there, in my back garden!

Hmmm...why do I get the impression that this was the offer that Metallica made to Guns? I'm guessing Axl has other plans and so Linkin Park were obviously next on Metallica's list.

I guess its unlikely, NIN are another rumored band and if they get confirmed....

but on the positive side

- doubt they will play reading seems very indie this year (arctic monkeys, kings of leon etc)
- download already has lots of bands as strong rumors or to be confirmed status
- Better video would be great promotion if Lars is in it

Here's hoping anyway  : ok:



 

Apparently Faith No More were also approached - now that would be something!

Reading(Leeds) has a history of a having historic bands on the Sunday(Friday). i can only think of one exception in the time I've been going, that being in 04


02 The Prodigy (Guns for Leeds)
03 Metallica
04 Greenday
05 Iron Maiden
06 Pearl Jam
07 Smashing Pumpkins
08 Metallica
09 ??

now what band could fill that gap in 09.

AC/DC are doing a stadium tour here, so they're pretty much out.
Metallica, headlined last year won't do it again so soon.
Iron Maiden aren't touring this year.
NIN are strongly rumoured to play, but aren't big enough to headline.
Pearl Jam aren't touring.
The Prodigy are at Download so won't headline at Reading.
Aerosmith would be big enough, but they don't come to the UK all that often.

i'd say the chances of Guns playing Reading/Leeds are better than the chances of them doing any other UK festival.

Unless there is another band big enough to fill that slot that i can't think of Reading is going to turn into another version of the V festival.

Kings of Leon have alot of UK arena dates in June, and a couple of festivals over here booked in for July, this makes it less likely they'll play Reading, put this with the talk of them not having signed the contract yet and it's a large doubt.

That artical made it seem as though Guns have been confirmed. Is there any tryth behind it?


 :peace:

it says they've been linked with it, so it's just rumour same as everything else

Must be one of those "offers" Axl was talking about.

Apparently its Radiohead, with KOL for Saturday.

The demand for tickets is so high I hate it when you only know a few bands that are playing - knowing my luck I'll book for Sonisphere and then Axl will turn up at Reading  :no:

in that case you can sell the Sonisphere tix to somebody and make Reading perhaps.

I got the title to the GNR/Metallica tour: "Death to Democracy!" Perfect for the times we live in.

I don't mind it but it seems to be something the haters would say. Maybe "Death N' Democracy"?


 :peace:

The only thing with this is GNR would be the opener.

I don't know how Axl would handle not being the BAND

Metallica > GNR when it come to tours. Metallica sells out stadiums and GNR...

Basically having seen the new band and seen the new Metallica with Rob on bass I would pay to see Metallica and would only go to see new GNR if someone paid for me to go.

You are on the wrong forum, though. I wouldn't pay to see Metallica and I'd pay to see GnR. What's your point?

I am trying to figure that one out too.

To make things fair, I think the headline spot should rotate. One night Guns the next Metallica. I love GN'R way more then 'tallica but they have both paid their dues therefor both deserve the headlining spot.


 :peace:

This tour will never happen. so it doesn't matter

Just like the album was never released?


 :peace:

Dude no disrespect but...what a hell are u doing here??...did u buy CD? or someone has to pay for u to have it?

well you can wait 15 years for the tour to start then.

Seriously, people can be fans of guns and they dont have to be that persons favourite band.

It is important to note though how much more popular Metallica are these days compared to Guns (even though its obvious whos 2008 release was great and whos was crap). It would create more problems and besides id rather just see GN'R as the big thing for that night

I don't think either 2008 release was CRAP. That's just silly to say. Death Magnetic has some very good songs, musically it sounds great, the problem i have is that james sounds very forced with his vocals.

are you fucking high?  "Death Magnetic" was the second best album of the year(behind CD)...aside from the producing which they did intentionally, it was a fucking sick album...They play ALL of the songs live, thats how good it was...best album of theirs since 1991's black album, which happens to be the biggest album of the sound scan era...

aside from that you are right, I think Guns are better than Metallica, but Metallica are FAR "bigger"...didnt "Death Magnetic" debut number 1 in every country that has electricity or indoor plumbing? and even a few that dont?  :hihi:

I would much rather see GNR in a headlining spot....

i don't see this tour happening this year. Metallica has shows booked till late this year.

Its not that I dont like the ideas on Death Magnetic, its just that I feel like its one vocal melody and riff for each song which was then dragged out for over 6 or 7 minutes. Its just something which has made me not be able to listen to it anymore. Crap was just the word I chose to summarise my feeling towards it lol.

Are gnr fans not allowed to dislike Death Magnetic or Metallica?  :confused:

Of course, but calling it crap is a little ignorant don't you think?

I mean, the quality of the record is huge...

if a coldplay fan asked you about Viva La Vida, what would you say?

tastes differ.

Exactly, taste differs, but calling it crap because you don't like it is just a worthless statement since it's obvious that it is not.

viva la vida is crap :hihi: and yeah that's pretty obvious to me :P

Spam spam spam eggs etc.  :hihi:

my title doesn't have anything to do with this site though, that was over at cd.com with some guys from gnr2k, and old dead site that rocked :'( RIP

what's more to say in this thread? i mean if you guys are talking about coldplay, i can totally chime in with shit too, equally bad :P

metallica are pretty good, might see them this summer, hope to

total agreement there

I wasn't exactly about coldplay. coldplay is a decent band tho.
my point was that we are free to like or dislike any band save gnr as we're fan forum members. and yes erose we should know better than to crap on others tastes in music.

Not only is viva la vida crap, but it's plagiarized crap from Joe Satriani!

at least someone here knows Better

I just sent robert trujillo some questions, he's chatting on a swedish website, not a big chance of him answering them though, i bet there's loads of people sending in questions

i asked about his thoughts on CD, if he could see tallica and GNR do a coheadlining tour and if he'd prefer to go on before or after GNR :hihi:


EDIT: questions denied  :crying:

i was gonna solve this case :P

no "offer" was made. here's how the conversation went...

Journalist: "On the topic of drama and tragedy, would you guys ever consider touring with Guns N' Roses again now that they're back out there?"

Drummer Lars Ulrich actually shakes his head and mouths "no," before becoming a bit more diplomatic: "As James was saying earlier 'we're road dogs and we love to tour' so if that opportunity ever came in the right situation, of course."

anyway, metallica is booked through early august with more U.S. dates to be announced soon.

The next leg of METALLICA's North American tour in support of the band's latest album, "Death Magnetic", will start in Sepember in Nashville, Tennessee and will include a date at the world-famous Madison Square Garden in New York City.

03/07/2009 Stockholm, SWE Globen SOLD OUT
03/08/2009 Stockholm, SWE Globen SOLD OUT
03/25/2009 Birmingham, GBR  LG NEC Arena SOLD OUT
03/26/2009 Glasgow, GBR  SECC Arena  SOLD OUT
03/28/2009 London, GBR  O2 Arena SOLD OUT
03/30/2009 Rotterdam, NLD Ahoy SOLD OUT
04/01/2009 Paris, FRA Palais Omnisport de Bercy SOLD OUT
04/02/2009 Paris, FRA Palais Omnisport de Bercy SOLD OUT
05/06/2009 Munich, DEU  Olympiahalle SOLD OUT
05/07/2009 Leipzig, DEU  Leipzig Arena SOLD OUT
05/09/2009 Stuttgart, DEU  Schleyerhalle SOLD OUT
05/11/2009 Frankfurt, DEU  Festhalle SOLD OUT
05/12/2009 Hamburg, DEU  Color Line Arena SOLD OUT
05/14/2009 Vienna, AUT Stadthalle SOLD OUT
05/16/2009 Oberhausen, DEU KoPi-Arena SOLD OUT
05/17/2009 Cologne, DEU  Lanxess Arena  SOLD OUT
06/14/2009 Helsinki, FIN Hartwall Arena SOLD OUT
06/15/2009 Helsinki, FIN Hartwall Arena SOLD OUT
06/17/2009 Oslo, NOR Spektrum SOLD OUT
06/19/2009 Nickelsdorf, AUT Novarock Festival Info
06/20/2009 Nijmegen, NLD  Goffert Park - Sonisphere Info
06/22/2009 Milan, ITA Datch Forum SOLD OUT
06/24/2009 Rome, ITA Palalottomatica SOLD OUT
07/04/2009 Hockenheim, DEU  HockenheimRing - Sonisphere Info
07/05/2009 Werchter, BEL  Rock Werchter Info 
07/07/2009 Nimes, FRA Festival de Nimes SOLD OUT
07/09/2009 Lisbon, PRT Optimus Alive!09 Info
07/11/2009 Barcelona, ESP The Forum - Sonisphere Info
07/13/2009 Madrid, ESP Palacio de Deportes SOLD OUT
07/14/2009 Madrid, ESP Palacio de Deportes SOLD OUT
07/16/2009 Zurich, CHE  Hallenstadion SOLD OUT
07/18/2009 Hultsfred, SWE  Folkets Park - Sonisphere Info
07/20/2009 Copenhagen, DNK Copenhagen Forum SOLD OUT
07/22/2009 Copenhagen, DNK Copenhagen Forum SOLD OUT
07/23/2009 Copenhagen, DNK Copenhagen Forum SOLD OUT
07/25/2009 Pori, FIN Kirjurinluoto - Sonisphere Info
07/27/2009 Copenhagen, DNK Copenhagen Forum SOLD OUT
07/28/2009 Copenhagen, DNK Copenhagen Forum SOLD OUT
07/30/2009 Oslo, NOR Spektrum SOLD OUT
08/01/2009 Dublin, IRL Marlay Park Info
08/02/2009 Stevenage, GBR Knebworth House - Sonisphere Info

a new interview?

"'Mandatory Metallica' Channel to Air on Sirius XM Radio

NEW YORK, March 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- SIRIUS XM Radio (NASDAQ: SIRI) announced that legendary rock band Metallica will host their own music channel on SIRIUS XM. Mandatory Metallica will be broadcast on SIRIUS channel 27 and XM channel 42 and will debut on Saturday, March 14 starting at 6:00 pm ET and run through Monday, April 13 at 3:00 am ET. The launch of SIRIUS XM's Mandatory Metallica channel coincides with the band's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on April 4, 2009...

...In addition to interviews with all four band members, Mandatory Metallica will air exclusive interviews with other artists sharing their personal insights about Metallica's influence on music, including Linkin Park, Slipknot, Disturbed, Guns N' Roses, Chris Cornell, RUSH, Ashes Divide, Black Stone Cherry, Five Finger Death Punch, Atreyu, Cinderella, Mastodon, Judas Priest, Dragonforce, Triumph, Tesla and others."

http://sev.prnewswire.com/radio/20090309/NY8036909032009-1.html

Probably "members of" certain bands.

No tour with Metallica is going to happen.

Exactly... and it will probably be some throw away quote from Gilby Clarke (who I love... but still...) like: "Metallica was the hardest rocking band out there. They kicked ass!" And then they get to slap the "Guns N' Roses" name on there. That's usually how these things work.:hihi:

I think it's an older interview.  That is the same thing the press release said when this launched in August of 08.