Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I bought Appetite For Destruction about three weeks ago and absolutely loved it. I went out and got Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 last week, and although it wasn't as immediate as the debut, it's been a real grower and I probably prefer them both to APFD.

What do you think I should get next? For some reason, The Spaghetti Incident doesn't appeal to me... maybe because it's a covers album... is it as good as the other albums?

First you have to buy "Lies", hear it during a month, and then, hear again Use Your Illusion I N' II, during another month, and then, buy The Spaghetti Incident and Chinese Democracy and enjoy it.

For me The Spaghetti Incident is the worse album, but I like it too.

After a year or so, when you'll have heard a lot of times every album, you can buy Live Era.

The Guns N Roses music, is music you should hear several times to apreciate right.

Is Lies the EP I heard about that was recorded before AFD?

Is it in a similar vein to UYI?

Lies is an album that have two parts.
1. The Ep of Guns N Roses before AFD, that it?s called Live Like a Suizide!
2. Four great Acoustic songs, one of them it's the acoustic version of You're Crazy, that it said the acoustic version it's original version.

In 1990 I had a tape that I recorded, with some songs of AFD and acoustic songs of Lies, and I really enjoyed it.


Offtopic: Sorry for my english  :-[

hmmh, sorry to be pain in the ass, but how about getting their current work Chinese Democracy first and listen to it? without getting into deep and uneccessary discussion with many other fans it is something that is current, sounds great and is above everything they have ever done.

because if You are going to see them live or continue to follow GN'R, new album and the next album is what You'll hear the most. you can always enjoy older things (from hell) later on ...

and this thread would be better in Dead Horse, sorry, nothing personal ...

that's just my advice ...



-velimir

Definitely buy Lies.

There's only 2 or 3 tracks that I can even listen to on The Spaghetti Incident ...just not by bag o' tricks.  Out of all the GnR catalog, that's the one album that almost NEVER makes it into my CD player.   Even Greatest Hits goes in more frequently (and I own all the material on that, on other albums, except Sympathy for the Devil).

I would suggest buying the LIVE Era CD, which I quite like.  Just realize it's "sweetened up" quite a bit.  Still good, IMHO, though.  If you can get the Japanese Import version (used to be able to via Amazon, not sure anymore), so you can get "Coma" live...do it.  It's worth the extra cash..at least for me.

And definitely buy Chinese Democracy.  It's different than the first 3 albums and 2 EP's (the 2 EP's being combined to get the GnR Lies CD) for sure.  But then...so is music, today *(and so were the UYI albums compared to Appetite).  It's excellent, excellent stuff, though.

I second that. Listen to CD and work your way back from there.

I disagree, because Mattyjam just heard AFD, and I think that he should hear Lies, then another time USI, and then Chinese Democracy, and Matty can see the evolution of Guns N Roses in this years.

Mattyjam said that "abolutelly love AFD", and then said that USI is growing, well, if heard the albums in debut order, will enjoy Chinese Democracy a lot.

I first fall in love with AFD and Lies, Later I fall in love with USI, and enjoy TSI, and now I fall in love with Chinese Democracy, if I heard Chinese Democracy at the same time that USI, probably I like CD, but nothing more.

I'd say CD first, seeing as it's the current album, and then Lies. I think TSI is underrated. There's some good stuff on there. Black Leather and Human Being especially. 8) You should probably be able to find it cheap somwhere and if you don't like it, you won't have wasted too much money.

if you bought both UYI1 and 2 last week, let them grow on you a bit more before you buy something new maybe? so you don't just buy everything right away, it can make you feel a bit full or fed up or how to say,

have AFD and the Illusion records for some time and let them sink in before you take in more, at least i'm that way when it comes to music, even though i really like one record of them i wait a while and let it sink in, then try another with the same band or else it can ruin and bore the experience

after you've had the 3 you have right now for some time, i'd say try lies then maybe CD if you think you won't like TSI, at the moment CD is probably my favorite :yes:

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated.  just go ahead and skip to the good stuff.  once you hear chinese democracy you'll wonder what you ever saw in afd. 

also, make sure to get 'oh my god,' the first single released by gnr after the old band was gone.  that songs as good as the stuff on chinese democracy (almost).

Thats debatable. And id be pretty certain the majority would place CD second.  Although id place it third, but thats cause most of my teen years were spent listening to there old albums.

No fucking idea what the hell Falungong69 is talking about. I think even Jarmo would say that GNR's material is not over-rated, no matter what line up or era.

Lies is an EP consisting of (then) new material which is more in the acoustic area, songs like Patience, One In a Million etc. It also has the "live" tracks off the first EP LIVE LIKE A SUICIDE.

The Spaghetti Incident is a great album if you wanna crank something up loud n rock the fuck out. Its not technical and of course, its a covers album. But it fuckin rocks nice n raw.

CD is a VERY different album to the rock band you hear on those albums you bought. As of course, its a different band. If you have an open music taste then you will most definately love this album as i, and many others have done so. But if you want the hard rock band nothing else GNR i doubt youll like this as its got alot more to it then that. Its an interesting album to say the least.

Also another importent thing. Someone mentioned the live album.

Its ok but of course its been tampered with so its not really a "True" live album.

If you get into the bootleg community. Then i would suggest you check out specific live videos of the band. Theres a different between simply listening, and seeing them.

Get the live performance they did for MTV at The Ritz in 1988 for great footage of the original line up playing a kick ass and unpredictable show. 

As for early 1990s GNR. One of my personal favorites would be the Chicago show done in 1992, with a guest appearance from Shannon Hoon, and a rare performance of the epic song "coma". This performance has so much energy in it and they do so many great songs. I LOVE IT. i used to have it all in high quality on my machine, Then it died and i lost it. So now i have to resort to youtubing it haha.

I cant advise you on GNR bootlegs circa 2001-2002. Im not a fan of Buckethead. But alot of the fans mention the pro shot Rock In Rio III as a good show featuring that line up.

As for the line up as you see it now. I havent a clue what to advise. I know there is an audio bootleg of the show i went to in Birmingham, UK. Which was a great show.  Any suggestions guys?

i have to agree, falun.

OP - if you're going to listen to the AFD or UYI songs, i'd recommend listening to the live versions by the current lineup. the old band doesn't do those songs justice. especially after you hear the current band play them.  i've been listening to chinese d daily since it's release, and for me, it gets better with every listen. i also find myself listening to downloads from the 06/07 tour pretty frequently. but anyway, my advice would be to not buy 'Lies' and buy 2 copies of CD instead. some of the ex-assholes still get royalties off you purchasing the Lies album. don't give them the luxury.

I suggest that you should get Chinese democracy asap.

as it's huge that it will most likely take you time to digest it.  

He should listen to albums in order best possible to be fair and let them sink in.

I think it would be hard for someone to become a fan of the band simply from the new album alone. Going backwards doesnt make sense.

Take it from the start then move forwards.

^^^^^Who gives a fuck who gets the royalities. Its about this kid getting into some new music, not fucking politics.

I agree! GNR still rocks my world and it's been 16 years since I first fell in love with Axl while watching the NOVEMBER RAIN video.

it wasn't hard at all.
Plus in this case he already is a fan from afd and uyi.  lies can be added to his collection any time It's not so urgent as what is happening now. 

Blasphemy.

i have to respectfully disagree. chinese d is far and above any of the band's previous works. don't get me wrong. axl's vocals on AFD and UYI are top notch - brilliant really - but the instrumentation is just lacking, especially after hearing GNR perform those songs during the 06/07 shows. they're just played with so much more intensity and feeling than the ex-assholes
could have ever accomplished.

i would looooove to see the re-recorded AFD eventually surface. if it does, i don't ever see myself listening to the original one ever again.


i agree this is a much more diverse & complex album compared to previous efforts, but i certainly wouldn't persuade a fellow fan not to get this album if he's mainly into rockers. this album has something for everyone, and by far, this album has the best rockers when compared to any of the previous releases. i still find myself listening to SR, Rhiad, Scraped on avaerage of 6-7 times per day. and i dont see that stopping anytime soon.

To your first comment: Are you fuckin kiddin?

To the second comment: I dont think Oh My God is anywhere near the quality of CD, yes thats right I love the Chinese Democracy album, but I still love the original band and always will...

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Go chronological.

it is always funny to me how this threads end up ... I wouldn't be listening to anything else than Chinese Democracy at the moment. the guy (or girl) wasn't listening to old GNR albums when they were released. I was. now I listen to CD. even if AFD and UYI's have a special place in my heart, I rarely go back to them. and no I am not saying that they are bad albums. the problem with them is that conceptually, musically, lyrically, complexually (overproduced  :hihi: ) and in every other way CD is high above all of them. there is no real discussion about it.

I am not saying it should be someone's favourite album. or that old stuff is over rated. I am just telling that CD is now and now is when we live. and giving the proper credit where it should be credited. there are many living in past and I don't care, but closing the eyes on CD quality over any previous GN'R work is plain wrong.



-velimir

Before November 23rd, I would've said "get the old albums".

Since you only own Appetite For Destruction, listening to Chinese Democracy now will give you a totally different experience from those other fans who have spent years listening to the old albums.

Maybe you'll listen to the music for what it is, instead of focusing on what it's not like some of the fans mentioned above.


And that's how it should be in my opinion.



Plus you'll get an idea of what people are currently talking about on these fan site.



/jarmo

Yeah, only right way to listen to old stuff is listening it played by new band. Why listen classic songs in their original form, performed by the people who created them? Wheres the sense in that lol??
 While listening to Paradise City by new band, you might wanna buy a huge poster of Slash and urinate over it, and then roll on it back and forth while listening to Finck's beautiful guitar.
That's the local  way.

well, excuse me for coming to a FANSITE to show my support for my favorite band. i had no idea doing so would offend some of you. yes. as witnessed throughout the 06/07 tour, it is my opinion that the current GNR play those songs better than those ex-assholes who still try sponging off the band name. i think finck's contributions to the album were absolutely amazing. and nothing about those contributions made me miss that lying asshole that you mentioned above.

Sorry Mattyjam, we will drive you crazy  :hihi:.

There are a lot of fans o Guns N Roses and every one has his own opinion, it will be very difficult for you to choose one of these answers. :confused:

I think that Chronological order is the best, and you could apreciate that one album it?s an evolution of the album before.

Please, when you decide what you do, tell us and tell what do you feel. It?s very rare see a new fan of Guns N Roses, and it's interesting to see what do you feel hearing the music.

Sorry again for my english, I hope that us help you

You are Falungong from another IP right?:P

You forget that the OP is a brand new, shiny fresh  untainted fan. He prolly doesn't have a neurotic morbid anti-/pro Axl/Slash/Etc fixation as his burden like some here.-  So it's well possible that he can..you know, just obtain music and listen to this music and let the music help him decide if it's good or not.
He's in amazing  position where creations and performnances by Slash do not suck " cuz he lied about goign to axls house wtf???" and where Axl's new band doesn't automatically suck "cuz axl forced slash to leave and then  made me wait new music for 25 years wtf??
 - -
to OP,


IMHO getting to know  the studio albums in  chronological order and just letting music do it's goddamned job is best thing a new fan can do :) Don't rush it though! It's easy to downloadBUY them all as a one huge bulk and listen to stuff here and there and jump back and forth.. but it's far better to take your time and let each album sink in.

Live album and specially The spaghetti Incident and such can easily be skipped. Until you are determined GNR is your thing and have a lust for more.

....I think it's surprisingly difficult position to be, where you are at :P
There is much to envy in there ofc, to have entire catalogue of GNR to cherish and explore in 2009 AD must be neat!
But it's also something that seems to be tricky to do in a way that leaves you satisfied in the end.
 I remember going through same thing with Bowie and it was very hard to reach a   " i am doing this the right way!" - feeling.

Each his own and all that but if you downloaded bought AFD just a week back, and now torrented purcharsed UYI I and II, you are moving too faast!
Very case sensitive ofc. It is a process that takes ages for me, most are faster surely.

I agree. :rant:

Ahh don't let falungong trick you guys!  I 'd bet a month's pay he is a satire of a fanatic GNR fan rather than a fanatic GNR fan :P

Just save up and buy 'em all ;)

sure, than email this guy and ask him where he bought the stuff he is smoking.

Now seriously, just buy them and enjoy them all. But PLEASE dont get involved in all the old band vs new band BS.  They are all good in there own way, and Axl's voice holds them all together

Seems to me it would make most sense to listen to the most current album.

I have to admit I'm more excited about the prospect of hearing CD than I am the other albums, but I think that's why I want to leave it a while... the rest of you had to wait 17 years for it, so I'm sure it won't hurt if I wait a month or two to familiarise myself with the rest of their catalogue first.

I've grown to love UYI and AFD so much and will give them some time to sink in. It's not everyday I find a band that I love this much, so I don't want to whore the experience by buying and listening to all the albums straight away.

I think once I've had a bit longer to get into UYI (I'm listening to it several times a day at the moment and I want to enjoy that while it lasts) then I'll probably buy Lies, and then Chinease Democracy.

I wanted to do it in chronological order, but The Spaghetti Incident? appeals to me the least of them all, so I'll save that till last I think....

Welcome!!!

You picked a great band, but one that will drive you crazy sometimes. (As will much of its fanbase!) I think you did the right thing in terms of how you started. I'd go with ChiDem next. I really enjoy Lies and TSI?, but to me those are side dishes to the main course.

Having listened to AFD and UYI I & II, you heard the evolution of the band's sound. ChiDem, to me anyway, is the next step in that evolution. Hearing those 3 (or 4...) for the first time in such a small time will allow you to hear those steps objectively, and I think maybe maybe you'll enjoy ChiDem a lot more than people who have identified with the old lineup, as well as those who have waited for so long. To someone new, it's not a monumental occurrence, but simply the next album from a band you enjoy.

Long story short, go with ChiDem, then go back for Lies, TSI?, and Live Era.

that's all i'm saying too. but apparently, that thought seems to be taboo here to some 'fans'. i can't begin to describe the sense of joy this album has brought me. it truly is an emotional rollercoaster ride from start to finish. at times, you'll feel really pumped. at  times, you'll find yourself crying - almost uncontrolably - at the heartfelt despair & anguish that is felt in listening to some of these songs. i can't recall an album that has ever been as lyrically deep and powerful. i will forever be  grateful to axl for getting these songs to us. in time, i have no doubt this will be remembered as one of the greats - delivered to us by a man that has lasted the test of time. thank you, axl.

long story short, go with chinese d. buy several copies and give them to your friends and loved ones. believe me, they will thank you for it.

cd. Don't miss the bus in the sight of you.

I completely agree with this. Definitely listen to CD first. When I first got into GnR about 5/6 years ago, there was no new material. Only the old stuff, which rocks, don't get me wrong. But it definitely influences how you listen to CD. You tend to judge it based on the old band. I would definiitely agree with going for CD first

Congratulations on discovering one of the best bands in the world!! ( u took ur time ;) )
My advice: buy them all, listen to them all, and enjoy them all  : ok:

I guess the good thing about the GNR catalogue for a new fan is that it isn't too big or confusing. I think getting into, say, Bob Dylan would be a bit more challenging. :P




I would definitely agree with this point. There's only so much each side can say before it gets really boring. ;)

Dude, stop acting like a little pop fan. I do not really care about personality or who said what to who. Fuck the gossip. Are you into GnR for their personalities? I am not. I am into them for their music, AFD through CD, KICKS ASS. I am sure you have a life-sized poster of Hannah Montana on your wall too, cause she is so dreamy!

It would. It is great. But that is like trying to study history, starting with the present. You need to see where you came from to totally understand where you are going...

i agree with this. 

sorry you missed out on the UYI days...gnr ruled the world back then!!!!  axl IS better than ever now though!

I totally agree, great phrase

little pop fan? i'm 31 yrs old. where did i say i'm interested in discussing some ex-asshole's personality? i was attacked for simply suggesting that i prefer the current member's versions of the AFD & UYI tracks. i'm sorry. but that's my perrogative - and one that i believe i am entitled to. i support axl rose - and i support the here and now. i'm not intererested in some assholes who have spent the better part of the last decade spreading lies about my favorite frontman. is that so strange for a fan?! yes. chinese d is my favorite album. and yes, when i want to listen to the older tracks, i choose to listen to live versions performed by the 06/07 lineup. why cant i feel that way on a fansite without being ridiculed by others and being subjected to ridiculous comments about hannah montana?

I'm sure you can enjoy Chinese Democracy without having heard a note from the previous albums.

And then go backwards from there.




/jarmo

like i said chinese democracy is huge. It's kinda like the history of rock is crystallized into it.  :yes:

Here we go.  Please Grow up.

I never said dont listen to CD, nor did i say it was bad.

I like ALL Guns N Roses, i think that makes me more a fan of this band than someone who only likes one album by them.

Yeah with freedom of speech, it's ok to state an opinion that the debut album is the best, whereas to see the huge growth from the early ones in the latest work is wrong and sacrilege.     :yes:

Richard Dawkins wouldn't... The Ancestors Tale was written backwards. I see no problems with that.

Im sick of people on here choosing to see what they want to in peoples posts and opinions.

Again, im not knocking on CD. Read my post i talk about it and state how it is good but i also say how different it is to the earlier albums.

My issue is that he is trying to persuade this guy not to listen/buy/whatever the bands previous albums because he doesnt like the old band members. He also then goes to discredit the work and the very reason most of us listen to Guns N Roses, of the previous line ups.

Its fine not to like Slash, i dont like him very much either. Hes commercialised himself far too much. But that doesnt take away from the awesome music THE BAND produced. He hasnt done anything worthy since GNR in my opinion anyway.

In blunt what im saying is. Stop talking down to anyone that doesnt lick the new line ups ass. Why should i dislike old GNR just because there is a new line up. Cant i like both? 

I hated the Spaghetti Incident at first, but now I Find myself listening to it a lot.

Really, u can put the needle down anywhere in GNR's career and find a ton of shit u like.

what is cool about GNR is, they are so much more than the famous "greatest hits"


I recommend finding and waching Chicago 92. IMO one of the greatest GNR shows ever.

Already beat ya to it on recommending that beast of a show :)  : ok:

What make GNR so amazing also is just the realness.

Like in concerts, Chicago for example, who else but Axl would ever get a way with telling a bunch of people from Chicago to shut the fuck up and have them oblige?

Those concerts are so spontaneous and so chemistry filled, they hold your attention and are just great to watch.

FYI: Axl's still Axl.

It's not like he stopped speaking his mind.


There's a reason why he's considered to be one of the greatest front men ever.




/jarmo

I never had the luxury of having a new album in front of me when I first became a fan.

It's your call duder, you can't really go wrong.

Just be sure and digest all the material properly.

To avoid miscommunication, i was talking of GNR concerts as a whole ranging the entire span.

Just used chicago as an example due to the Rolling Stone interview story and the shut the fuck up to the audience which was great.


RIR III is good, MSG 2002 is great, I haven't got to see as many 2006 boots as I would like but what I've seen on Youtube are great as well.

Interesting thread...


If you already have AFD and both UYI albums, then i'd probably move on to Chinese Democracy... what a lot of people are saying makes sense about listening to things in order, but if you have the Illusions then you're good. Those are the bridges between Appetite and Chinese.
The Spaghetti Incident is my least favorite (though there's some songs i really dig), and i think a lot of fans list it last, so i'd hold off on that.
Lies is awesome, and there's some songs you'll love, but i'd recommend Chinese Democracy not just because of how amazing it is, or just because it's new (both good reasons), but more importantly because you get 14 tracks, where as lies is only 8. Chinese Democracy is 71 minutes of music, and if you ask me there's not a bad note on it.

Either way, you can't go wrong!  8)

When was this? 92 or more recently?

Chicago 1992.  In a venue now known as the Allstate Arena.

studying history ? 

its music, you listen to it.

i think original full legnth albums are the best way to get into GNR and hear what they are all about. So for any new fan i say the essentials are AFD, UYI, and Chinese Democracy.

Spagetti Incident has no songs written by GNR and Lies only has 6 (one of which is on AFD).

Personally I would go chronologically, and also like others have said, let the albums sink in a little bit before getting the next one....

by the way, how did you get into them in the first place? what prompted you to get AFD?

TSI has its moments. About half of it, I find really enjoyable - 'Down On The Farm', 'Ain't It Fun', 'Since I Don't Have You', 'I Don't Care About You', 'Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory'....probably would have been better as B-sides than on an album though.

Dude, I prefer the old line up. However, I respect the new lineup and I am not sitting around praying for a reunion. I am fine with GnR in 2009... I just get so tired of people like yourself degrading the work the 'classic' lineup produced. Give the 'assholes' some credit. Even Axl thanks Slash for 'killer guitar melodies' in Estranged, and I will bet that Axl would still say that musically, Slash did some great work in GnR. Slash  as a person, that is for Axl to decide. I have never met them,  and feel no need to get in the middle of some he said-he said drama. Whatever happened, I still respect every person who has contributed to GnR...

Why do you have to spew hate to a new fan? The dude just discovered the greatest band EVER and you start him out calling the lineup that produced so much of their music 'assholes?' You say it is because of what Slash has said in the past about Axl... That sounds like some dramatic BS to me. Gossip mag style...Get over it and embrace GUNS N' ROSES...

Your constant disrespect to GnR's past is as bad as the people who talk shit about CD.  Can you not see that you behave exactly the same as anti-CD people, only against the classic lineup?

I think 'Ain't It Fun' is one of GnR's most energetic, emotional tracks. Honestly, Axl's vocals are chilling. Then you have Slash's leads... ya I am putting that on right now!

As with most of your comments, you seem to not have ANY respect at all for history. If all you do with music is 'listen' to it, what the hell are you doing talking about GnR on a message board????  That seems like a little more than 'listening' to me...

you can prefer whoever in the hell you want to. i never said you couldnt. a new fan asked for some advice and i simply gave him my opinion. wow. i can't believe how i am being crucified for recommending their most current & greatest work to date. sorry, but i personally have no interest in talking about what used to be. for me, this album is absolute magic. and there is by far more chemistry and talent present in this band than axl ever had with those media whore, heroin addicts of the past. i'm sorry that i'm not overly sympathetic to some group of shitheads that spent the past decade spreading lies about my favorite frontman - just so they could promote themselves as something they were not. typically, i don't go out of my way for individuals who shit on people that i love and respect. i certainly dont plan on making an exception in this case.

Just buy all of the albums... there really aren't that many. You already have Appetite and both of the Illusions, so go out and get 'Lies' and 'CD.' Then buy 'The Spaghetti Incident' later on if you feel like it. If you're interested in live music then buy 'Live Era'.

If you don't already know how to download torrents, LEARN, and then download many of the live shows that are available through the many different torrent sites. People post live shows on this site all the time and you could download those. Download the demos and more rare shit that people post here as well.

Holy shit, my new favorite poster. Where have u been this whole time?

I wish I was able to articulate that a hell of a lot sooner as that is exactly how I feel and what I have tried to say for years.

Welcome to the forum : ok:

GnR is my favorite band.

but this isn't fucking school.

So it is sort of ridiculous especially when no body knows the whole story. I honestly am trying not to be caught up in the whole soap opera thing.

who cares? I enjoy the band for what they did, their problems with one another are THEIR problems.

a lot of posters sound  like those that won't watch an Angelina Jolie movie cause they think she broke up Brad and Jen.

I never called anyone an asshole or said anything regarding ex-members.     All I said was dude was taking it all a bit to seriously with the whole "studying history" bit.   

Stop putting fucking words in my mouth D.

My apologies for the asshole thing Jim Bob. When people do the 1o post quote thing, it gets muddy but your attitude about the old guys in other threads made me think it was u.

I will adjust my post.

i'm sorry to say it, but those old songs just do not hold up as well to me.  sure, if you like simple songs with three chords and the same blues scales, then the old band's music is definitely for you.  if you like your music to be more challenging, and complex and symphonic like queen, then join the rest of us in 2009. 

look, everybody's got different opinions and i can accept that.  but if you think 'take me down to the paradise city where teh grass is green and the girls are pretty' is an amazing idea for a song, then by all means have a blast witht he old band.  i just happen to enjoy music and art that tries to do more.  so sue me.

Thanks for the laugh.

OP- There are only four studio albums not counting TSI which is a covers album. Buy them all ,listen as much as you want and don't let anyone tell you what to think about what is the best album. Hell ,Your favorite GNR album might be TSI?! and nobody can tell you that you are wrong.

I'm not really sure.

I've always respected Slash as a guitarist and I have a friend who used to worship Axl Rose... then I just saw November Rain on a music channel a few months back and thought I'd give it a go...

Would you say the special edition boxset of CD is worth getting?

Start with the old stuff and then work your way up, let it sink in for a while. After that go out and buy CD because the songs on chinese democracy can be somewhat of an acquired taste.

You mean 1975.

Complex music and simple but rockin music have both been done for decades. Get over yourself.

Couldn't disagree with you more ;D

I'll bet you if it wasn't for AFD, and that collection of "overrated material:-\ " we would never have heard of GnR and Chinese Democracy

Were Old Guns your favorite band as well back in 1991?

okay, so we disagree on one band and a couple of albums.  wow.  imagine that. 

i happen to prefer chinese democracy.  i'd have thought that would be a perfectly acceptable opinion to have on a site with the chinese democracy line-up at the top of the page.

Are we done with the "old vs new" shit?

The guy asked what album he should get next. He didn't ask you to tell us your story.



/jarmo

Songs on AFD had as many as 5 or 6 guitar tracks laid down -  it's not quite as simple as people think - and as for not holding up - for you maybe not - for rock fans and those that write about music professionally in various publications, it does - the fact when Democracy was reviewed, that about 90% of critics compared it to AFD would say to me it does stand up to the test of time - here's an analogy for you-Stairway to Heaven was written music, lyrics, melodies and all in about 15 minutes and recorded in one or two takes - does that make it a simple song that doesn't stand the test of time?  Not to piss on anyone's parade, but last year just about every music magazine made a mention of the 20th anniversary of AFD's release - for an album that doesn't stand the test of time, I'd say that opinion doesn't hold water

The Old Guns was a direct reference to what Axl calls that era of the band-did I tell a story? ???

He should buy them in the order of their release to hear the progression of the band

Be careful classicgunsfan.

youve got negative 4 karma. Id hate to see you banned on behalf of this random noobs (falungong69) silly comments.

So it is not okay to appreciate the history of one of the most influential bands of all time, however you can post on a message board almost 5,000 times about GnR? And *I* am the one who takes GnR too seriously?

To the original poster, I would just go ahead and buy all the GnR albums and judge for yourself. Do not pay attention to my bias, or the bias of any other person on this site. Buy the music and judge for yourself. You will not ruin your experience if you were to move on to Chinese Democracy right away. It is a great album that can stand up on its own. Enjoy, and congrats on discovering this great music.

My best advice to any new GNR fan is to get bootlegs or watch live performances of GNR on You Tube

From the club era:
Roxy January 18, 1986

From AFD:
Ritz 1988 or Felt Forum 1988

From UYI:
London 1991
Paris 1992
San Diego 1992
New Haven 1993
Argentina 1993

From CD:
Rock Am Ring 2006
Download Festival 2006.

You will learn to have an additional appreciation for their abilities live, which are as impressive or even more-so than in the studio.
Not only did you encounter a great Hard Rock Band, but also the Greatest Live Performing Hard Rock Band of All Time!
 : ok:
Mark

I feel ya Jarmo. However, this 'battle' was started when Falungong69 started disrespecting GnR's past. The original poster wanted our opinions as to where to go from herer in his GnR journey. To have people talk shit about the past to a new fan is totally lame. It is JUST as bad as the people who would tell him CD is trash and ONLY listen to the classic albums. I do feel a need to defend the output from the classic band when it is slandered. I am NOT defending Slash, Duff or Matt as people, rather I am defending their MUSIC.

Look, this is your site, and it is a fucking great site. I would not tell you how to run it. I am trying to respectfully defend GnR from those who would act like the band was founded in 2001 by Axl and Buckethead. If you feel that I am being rude, or ruining your site with my comments, let me know. I was rude when I first started posting here, but I saw my error and apologized... I am not trying to be a jerk, but to tell a new fan to not buy Lies because Slash gets royalties is stupid. I though GnR was a BAND, not an episode of Beverly Hills, 90210...

Also, doesn't FalunGong69 post under 2 usernames?

if you like the merch. there's a thread about the boxset. http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=54288.40
you decide.  :)


yes you can. like why should you dislike a lineup just because there were old ones.
I wasn't referring to your post in particular. I'm not on the the lineup argument which is off from the topic where a new fan with afd and uyi is asking what album you would suggest to get next.

Is this Ashton Kutcher?

Surely to God u can't be serious.  We are all being punked right?

Right. In a same way that you like more current GN'R than illusion that was old GN'R  :hihi:




-velimir

Do what most of us do round here........BUY IT ALL ON EVERY FORMAT  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

seriously though... you should buy Chinese Democracy so you can listen to the most present material and then track your way back through time at your convenience (and then make your own mind up)

Hahahahaha.  :rofl:

Didn't he say he already had Appetite and Illusions?  So get Lies which is just an EP and then get Democracy.

It also depends on what type of music he is really into.  I love the sound of acoustic guitars so I would go with Lies, if he prefers more production in his music then CD should be his next purchase.  Either way he can't really go wrong.

Exactly.

So the next natural one to get would be Chinese Democracy.

Both GN'R Lies and "The Spaghetti Incident?" were basically put out in between the "real" albums...




/jarmo

I don't even count Spaghetti as a real album. Its pretty much just cover versions. I'd definitely recommend CD over that

I totally agree. If you are thinking you are going to become a serious GNR fan you need to get bootlegs. I don't like to promote bootlegs, but there are just some really amazng things out there you need to hear. And see! Welcome too the GNR world!
amyl

There is a big difference between Lies and TSI in that Lies is almost all original music.  And the acoustic side is all original, even You're Crazy is the original version per se.  Which btw is a great song acoustically from Axl's voice to Slash' guitar, definitely better than the version on AFD imo.

But yeah CD would be a wise choice next seeing as how he already has the other 3 "real" albums.  Either way I think if he reads between all the bullshit in this thread he will most likey pick up everything else and most likely enjoy it all.

Treat yourself and look through the history of falungong's posts. Grab a beer or two and relax, don't take it too seriously, and check some of the baffled reactions. Soon you'll be laughing out loud.

It is a top quality cover album though to be fair.

It rocks :D

I would get the DVDS of WELCOME TO THE VIDEOS and the making of the Trilogy, NR,DC and Estranged.

Those need to be watched indeed!!   :)

Yep, definite necessities. Followed of course by the two live UYI dvds.

and then....... and then and then and then!!!! :P

Buy The Spaghetti Incident, you won't regret it. It's kickass, as the kids would say.

Lies, and The Live Era are awesome too. And of course get Chinese Democracy if you haven't already.

Is the making of the trilogy a DVD by itself?

There used to be 3 separate VHS tapes of all 3 songs. They probably have them on DVD. It was called making f******g videos, parts 1,2 and 4.

Actually, the "Making of" trilogy has yet to be released on DVD... which kind of sucks. I never watch my VHS copies because I don't even have a VCR anymore.

My bad.

there is a fanmade dvd available if you know where to look though. 

You might as well get Chinese Democracy next, as it is the next really big point in the GnR story after UYI (and not a bad album either).  Lies and TSI are just interesting filler really, they don't chart their progression much.  Both are worth getting at some stage, though.