Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I couldn't find a thread for this, so if one exists feel free to fuse together.  Just wondering if any of your friends, family members, acquaintances have heard any of the new songs and what their take has been.  I purchased the CD for a friend of mine whose birthday just happened to fall on the release date (Nov. 23).  She is not a fan of GNR per se.  She enjoys the radio hits but wouldn't know any of the obscure songs.  She knows of Axl and Slash, but that's about it.  Other than what I've told her over the years, but I didn't beat her over the head with information (until recently).  Anyway, she's promised a full review, although she's releasing it in pieces.  She told me she liked about half the album, could do without half, and HATED one song and could do without ever hearing it again.  BUT, so far I've gotten reviews to the first 4 songs and they've all been glowing.  Still waiting for the negative reviews to kick in.

1.  Chinese Democracy

I have to say that the beginning of the song scared me a little bit.  After 1:30 of what sounds like aliens trying to reach their homeland I was excited to finally hear music.  After centuries of not recording an album they sure did want you to wait a little longer to hear what they came up with.  When the actual words came though I immediately began rocking my head as if I were standing in the audience with the boys themselves.  It got me moving and to this day still find it a good song to walk on the treadmill listening too.  It brings back such great memories of Paradise City.  I had almost forgotten what they had sounded like when they sang.

Some of the words in the beginning of the song I did not understand.  I felt a little retarded but then went online to see the lyrics and realized that these words would make sense to no one.  Yes, I did research.

The chorus is AWESOME.  Why they needed to ruin the song talking about masturbation is beyond me however I do enjoy singing that part and even if that is really NOT what they are saying I make sure I sing it loud and proud.  Any excusable chance to use the word masturbation is a good day for me.

The ending was wonderful.  It was wrapped up nicely with the guitar solo and calmed the nerves for what was about to be an off the chain beginning to song two!  I'd give the song 4.5 out of 5 stars


2. Schakler's Revenge

First I would like to say how much happier I was that this song started promptly after the intro.  I am not really into the long lead ins.  They tend to kill or make a song and most of the time it kills it.  For me anyway long intros suck!

Overall I was pleased with the song.  It seemed short for the band but I think it was a nice choice after Chinese Democracy.  I don't necessarily love the lyrics though.  Someone seems very bitter.  Since I am not a HUGE Guns N' Roses fan I am sure there is a story behind it but I might be missing a key point. 

Out of 5 stars I give this one a 4.  It's catchy, it's short, and I have no problem blasting it and singing in my car.

The boys are 2 for 2 so far in my book.   Stay tuned!


3. Better

I have to say I LOVED this song.  Just when I thought I couldn't love a song more than #5 (If The World) this song came along and brightened my world.  I love the lyrics (especially the rhyming of them), I love the pace the song progressed, and I loved that is wasn't hardcore like the first two.  It amazed me in ways I was not expecting.  It's like opening a gift and being sure you weren't going to like it once it came out of the box, only to tag it as one of your favorite overall gifts.  Amazing.

The only complaint I have with this song is the two guitar solos.  The first one was well timed and broke the song up nicely.  The second one pissed me off and still does.  I am ready to move on with the singing and here I have to wait.  Not only do I have to wait though but there are like 16 na na na's after the solo which drags the song on even more.  The boys overall did well and this has quickly become one of my favorite songs.

Out of 5 stars I give it 4 1/2.  If it wasn't for the second guitar solo I would definitely given it a 5.



4.  Street of Dreams

This song reminded me of November Rain in so many ways.  The slowness of it all excited me in the beginning.  I knew a slow ballad would be on the CD and was waiting for it.  I thought the lyrics were great too and overall liked the song.  I am not sure I liked the way the words were pieced together though.  It almost seemed like some of the lyrics stretched on too long and could have been fit in someplace else.  It is not a major complaint though.  More of a suggestion.

It's heartbreaking and I feel bad for Axl, I really do, but I think he did a great job of letting us feel the pain that he was in and positively expressed that without being a dick.

Love the song.  Out of 5 starts I give it 4 3/4.

So far I am so pleased with the CD! 

That's all the reviews for now but I promise more will come soon!

I have a friend that I would call a semi-fan, as he's not really updated on the new band but liked the hits back in the day.

As he heard the record, the first thing he commented on was the overall production of the album, how exceptionally great it was. He was really pleased about all the details you can hear in the songs.

Also, there were not a single song he didn't like (to my experience that's really unusual coming from him). He told me that his absolute favourite song was "Riad N' The Bedouins".

I had a listening party with some friends the Friday prior to the release and they seemed to enjoy the album.  We were rocking out by the end of the night.  And since then I've played  it for friends and have gotten positive comments, no negative.  Don't know how much of that is them just being nice, but I've heard compliments on "Better", "Street of Dreams", "If The World", and "I.R.S." in particular.

My 4 year old son.  He had herd some other GnR songs (stuff without swearing) and he didn't really like it.  But this new album every time we get in the car he is telling me to turn it up. 

One friend said he heard the album and thought there were four really great tracks the rest were ok. Not sure how much he has heard it, but just the fact there were four really great tracks is very positive

Two of my cousins, old gnr fans, who haven't followed the progress of the new band, picked up the album and loved it. One of them played it in his car as he was giving me a lift back home on boxing day.

The way I see it, there are lots of people out there who just need a little more reminding and pushing.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love the album and I listen to it every single day...BUT...when I've tried to recomend it to my friends who are well known about the old line up etc but they are not die hard GN'R fans, the reactions were like: "Is this GN'R? Where is the rage? Where is the atmosphere? What the fuck?"

I'm trying to explain that they just have to realize that we are living in 2008 (2009 already :P) and that THIS is the world according to Axl and the band but I have a responce for example like: "There was something that touches me in the heart when I listen to songs like Estranged, Jungle, Paradise etc. CD is a good album but it doesn't touches me anywhere..."

The songs that are most likeable are Madagascar and Better. Anyway, the album is great in my opinion. They just don't understand it. Maybe they need time. 

Hopefully we will see some more hard rockers as time goes on...I think Axl's 'rage' is what a lot of younger fans used to associate with him, maybe as you've said he's moved on.

I tried to get ross and phoebe to listen to it 'cause we all know they are pretty openminded when it comes to music and they liked it, monica liked the clean and perfect production, we all know she's the perfectionist of the gang,, rachel mostly listen to john mayer and britneys new album, while chandler mainly made jokes about axl and joey only cares for the females

 : ok:

what about the monkey?

None of my friends, family or co-workers think much of it.  I do think CD takes a few listens to "get" and for people not familiar with the last 15 years to reset their expectations.  But still, after one listen, nobody was really impressed.  A few old school fans REALLY disliked it. 

my gf liked Better a little bit and This I love, but not to the point where she was wow'ed or has asked me to play them again.

same here. some friends think it's ok; some don't like it. most just don't care. still: a song almost everybody digs is "better".

To me, it depends on their overall music tastes are how willing they are to really just listen to the cd, not listen to a song for 30 seconds, like some people I know.

Cause I know my dad doesn't like it, but my mom who's very open she does enjoy it.

My nephews likes to sing and dance to some songs ;D

I doooooooon't belive it cute :P


 :hihi:

My mate does not mind the album (disappointing for me), but his huge gripe is with the drums. Way too simple, no solos and overall, just not as technical as it could be. He thik s too much time was spent on the guitars and the drums were neglected.

I don't really agree, I think the drums are great.

The drums are what makes the album for me.

I played Scraped for my hip-hop loving friend, and all he said was, "WOW!"

Like Axl said way back in the day, there is something for everyone on Chinese Democracy.

Let us rejoice.

I can't really speak for other people's opinions as far as the ENTIRE album goes, but 'Better' is definitely the song that my friends like more than any other. They fucking love it. I know a couple people that can't stand Axl and won't give GN'R a chance solely based on that... and those two people think 'Better' is amazing.

So, most of my friends like what they have heard so far and only a couple have actually gone out and bought the album. Nick (not even a casual GN'R fan), a good buddy of mine, went out and bought CD. I couldn't fucking believe it when he told me that. But he said he only listens to tracks 1,2 and 3 and won't go past those. He said the rest of the songs on the album are "A bunch of November Rain wannabe songs." So he obviously hasn't listened to them at all and I stopped listening to him after he said that.

my two former best friends HATED chinese democracy.  i was so excited to play it for the, because i thought that they would eat there words after trashing axl for 15 years.  but they are stubborn people who refuse to even consider liking new music.  anyways....

they laughed when the riff for chinese democracy came on and started singing 'rock you like a hurricane' to the song instead of the real lyrics.  it didn't even matter to them when i explained what the falun gong was and how meaningful those lyrics could be.  they made fun of all the ballads, espeicially the blues and this i love, which they used derogatory words for homosexual to describe.  riad got a little bit of headbanging, but they are old school rock fans and wouldn't let themselves enjoy the shredding by bucket and bumble.  they said it sounded like computer game sound effects, which it does but that's okay because it's so amazingly difficult to play. i tried to explain it to them, but they still didn't care. 

when prostitute was almost over, my one friend let out this long, sloppy fart sound.  but the outro lasts like a minute, so they just kept making more and more fart sounds the whole time.  it was really insulting and degrading.  it's like they wouldn't even give the music a chance at all.

irresistable force of the music. That's how a real great tune works.  :D

My 9 yr old daughter has heard some of the songs, and has 4 favorites.  Her favs have changed with listening to them.  First she heard a *ahem* version.... of Better that she said was her favorite.  The first time I saw her after listening to the album, I slapped the headphones on her and made her listen to This I Love :hihi:

Anyway, here are her favorites in approx order, most liked first

Scraped
She LOVES this song.  She says that she could listen to this song over and over again, and insists that I play it at least twice everytime she hears it.  She likes the 2 different voice styles and the message that your worth more then they tell you.  I made her listen to this one by accident, while trying to find another song.  She doesn't want to listen to the whole album, but I'm working on her!

Sorry
Oddly enough, the "I don't want to do it" is her favorite line :hihi:  I love it myself ;D  She knows all of the words by heart, just skipping over the words that she won't allow herself to say, like hell.  That's not my rule, btw, she's made this rule up for herself *shrug*

Better
She's loved this one from the first listen.  Just likes the tune I guess.  And probably likes watching me chair dance and headbang :hihi:

This I Love
Makes her want to cry every time :hihi: She loves the emotion in this one and just wants to give Axl a big hug after listening to it lol

She also said something that completely surprised me tonight.  In other threads, I have expressed my doubt that every song is about either Stephanie Seymour or the old band. I've never actually discussed this outside of this forum, there's no one for me to discuss it with in real life lol.

Tonight, my daughter said "All of these song seem like they are about either ex girlfriends or old band members".  I was driving at the time, and almost missed a stop sign in my astonishment! :hihi:  I almost asked her what her screen name on HTGTH is lmao.

Hahahaha, great story!

P.S.  How does the chair dance go?  :hihi:

Here's how I responded to an old friend's thoughts on CD: (his words in red)

I do not like Axl enough to pay for his album.

Might I add you don't know Axl.  Might I also add that of all people to judge somebody not based on all the facts at hand, I'd think you'd be the last person to do so.  (in this guy's lifetime back in college he was accused of cheating or plagiarism when in fact he was innocent...and as a doctor, he's had to deal with fall-out from a personal substance abuse issue with the shit hitting the fan in local newspapers)

I refuse to call it G-n-R as no Izzy or Slash.

Boy, if I recall correctly, GNR was still GNR to you without Izzy (from '91 on), and Slash ceased being a functioning member of the band by '95 (officially leaving in '96)...so where did you decide to draw the line?  How about when Adler was kicked out in July of 1990??  Hmm.  By the way, Izzy not only performed with GNR at many shows in '06 and '07, a yet-to-be released new tune with Axl, Izzy, and the rest of Guns will be in one of the upcoming GNR albums.  Perhaps you could try and pay for a % of that particular single...or you could steal it out of unjustified spite.  Whatever floats your boat.  btw, do I even need to bring up the many bands (Pink Floyd for example) that went through lineup changes and kept the band's name?


All rock bands are looking to make it big/get rich,

Axl "made it big," and "got rich," already... what part of that don't you understand?  If Axl's m.o. was money, Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Axl would have made about 8 s&*ty albums by now that all sounded like Appetite, a-la AC/DC with the same sound over and over and over.  Right now there'd be a huge cash-grab reunion tour where folks like you might even plunk down hard-earned cash to see something that was, but isn't.  Quite sad.

The Best Buy exclusive thing is a record company "for profit" move.  Plain and simple.  It's guaranteed sold units that are needed desperately when there are so many uninformed anti-Axl folks like yourself, out there, who refuse to buy it.  Part of the blame for the truth not getting out there, and the press latching on to the "Good Slash, Bad Axl" b.s....is Axl himself.  He hasn't set the record straight choosing instead to take the higher road and not respond to the lies, but for a few rants at some shows in the last 6 years.  Wow!  It's almost as if Axl doesn't care how many albums he sells, eh?  Have you seen him do any marketing for the album?  Perhaps you'd like to read exactly what Axl has to say...or perhaps not.  Why pursue the other side of the story when you're certain the drugged-out former guitarist has all his s&*t in a row.   Slash gets paid for books.  He gets paid for commercials for Guitar Hero.  Axl answered a ton of questions for free on-line.  Yeah, it's just all about the money. This is a link to Axl's Q&A...
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=55296.0


 but some lose their muse along the way and try to perfect their music (which is impossible).  Hence 10 years!

Wow, is that what it was? A lost muse?  Thanks for the solid fact-finding there.  I've spoken with many a GNR fan over the years and that's a good one buddy.  Why would an artist EVER want to actually take the time to perfect an album?  You're right, sit down in a studio, give it a couple of weeks, and BAM!  Yeah, that's the kinda s^&t that gets us St. Anger and numerous s%^&y Bon Jovi albums...and the aforementioned AC/DC re-hashed sound over and over and over.
I'm sure having talented musicians leave his project and more talented musicians joining the fray periodically had nothing to do with the agonizingly long production time.

  I bet Appetite took 6 weeks to complete...
 
Of course the production time was shorter!  Are you kidding?  The band was just starting up.  No offense, but you really haven't done your research here...it's not like you to be so ill-informed.  You're reminding me of a guy who watches Faux News then starts talking smack about Obama.  You've probably seen VH-1's "Behind the Music," and read various interviews with and/or books written by Slash.  You have been played.  There never was a forced sign-over to Axl for the band's name Guns N' Roses.  That's a myth dude.  Your anthropology background teaches you, "Old myths die hard..." it's quite ironic to see you of all people clinging to the myths. 
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I know I could have explained it better...but it's what I wrote at the time. 
I'll be a bit more on-topic next time and post some CD reviews from friends who have actually listened to the album.   :peace:

god, why waste your time?  you honestly shouldn't even be friends with someone that judgemental and closed minded.  also, the fact that he could say supportive things about slash even after axl has explained the truth about what a bad person he is reflects really poorly on your friends morals.  you can really do better.

like to keep singing your fav cd tune to him.
good job axl4prez but remember the songs are mighter than the words.
after the christmas reunion my relatives went home humming the chorus bit of better. :hihi:


lmao.
she already has a very fine appraciation of music.

Jokingly, I'd agree.  :hihi:  But no, he'll still be my friend...and no, his ignorance when it comes to GNR has nothing to do with my friend's morals.  Thanks though.

I got a response and sent one back...but I won't waste space here with that...needless to say, I call 'em like I see 'em.  I may be a huge GNR fan, but I am also a loyal friend...and realize nobody's perfect. 

Now, a review that gave me a laugh.  My wife's dad, 76 year old Navy vet., who shakes his hand at me when I mention Axl...calls him a druggie, a screamer who can't sing, hates him, etc....well, I played the opening of TIL for him, right from the get-go, "He sounds like a girl..." but then, as he kept listening, there was no denying Axl can sing, so he gave me a so-so hand gesture with a smile.  If he liked it vocally and lyrically, he'd never admit it.  ;D...but I could tell he did.  :)

holy fuck that would be sweet

ps... Headliner after so many years?  i should have better title

my sister came to town over christmas and we were cruising around in her rental car. it had a pretty good sound system so i decided to pop in "chinese democracy" to see what she thought. A little background: although she is technically white, for all intents and purposes my sister is a 42 yr old black woman. a wigger, i f you will. her taste in music is pretty much all hip-hop or r&b(jay z, kanye, mary j. blige...) when she wants to "rock out" she listens to Daughtry. But, she is a major stoner, and she loves Prince so, i know she can appreciate great guitar. So we smoked up and started the cd. Right away she said that Axl is one of the few people in the world who you can recognize their voice instantly when you hear it. Then she kinda impressed me by asking whatever happened between Axl & Stephanie Seymour. She did know Slash was no longer in the band and said that whoever it was who replaced him was a kickass guuitar player (i explained to her the whole multiple guitarist situation). Anyway, she loved the sound and mentioned that Axl is really pissed off at some woman. A few days later she called me, and i had "ITW" on my ringback. She said she's been thinking about "CD" and wished i would've burned her a copy because she really liked it and kept thinking about it in the days after she went back home. So, i told her i'll buy her a copy from best buy and send it to her.  I thought it was pretty cool that axl won over someone who really isn't into "rock" music, but just appreciated it for being a great sounding album!   

Good story.  Goes to show you if people just give it a try and listen with an open mind they will see how good the album actually is.

Although as Axl himself even said, it's not for everyone.

Same here.
I would even add that most of my friends (who are into rock music) do not really care about the album also, even they like(d) GN'R in the past and have the records... I think most of the non hardcore or non GN'R fans are not (yet) into the 'new' GN'R...they see guns still as the old lineup and so for them guns does not exist anymore.

most of my mates think it sucks, but there a bunch of cunts anyway  :hihi:,  my mates who like gnr liked it.  :beer:

message from a woman I used to work with: 

"Wanted you to know I have been listening to Chinese Democracy a lot. I think it's awesome. Sorry has to be to Slash. I have many faves but am not good enough to have the titles memorized yet. There are definitely radio ready songs on there mixed in with the true die hard fan songs. The scores are incredible, very intricate arrangements."