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GUNS N' ROSES: No Reunion Planned - Dec. 11, 2008

Contrary to published reports, Axl Rose has no plans to reunite the most successful GUNS N' ROSES lineup. GUNS' co-manager Irving Azoff told Sal Cirrincione of Premiere Radio Networks, "There are no plans of a reunion, nor have there been any discussions of a reunion, with former GUNS N' ROSES band members. In the future, we hope that if media have any questions concerning GN'R, they'd at least check their facts before running inaccurate stories for their own benefit."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=110650

thank god  :beer:

Put that in your pipe and smoke it !!!

You got 2 be kidding me not any kind of discusion i mean its not like these guys are gettin any younger

Sorry, it will probaly never happen.

You got 2 be kidding me - you haven't moved on? Quit living in the past man.

u never know what might happen they could one day

I didn't think it was true to start with. But I doubt he was say it was if it was, tell the announcement was made.

if it does happen I hope it later . lets see some more touring and album with the current line up.

I don't get your statement ? What is so great about a reunion ? I mean we've heard all the old songs pretty much on 02, 06, tour.  Its time for new material and Axl Rose doesn't need Slash, Duff, Matt, Steven, Izzy.  Its time to move on, remember NOTHING LAST FOREVER.

Id like to be the 1st to say. I bet in around 6 months time (Probably less) some arsehole will say a reunion is going to happen in the not to distant future.

thank god!  reuniting with those washed up has-beens would be the stupidest thing axl could do right now.  never made a bit of sense... release the album of the year, then reunite with a bunch of guy who don't even know how to play it.  i can't believe this rumor was allowed to spread... i'm looking at you jarmo.

I'm saying that

1. didn't think the current romour was true.
2 if it was true , I don't think managment would say shit till it was offically announced.
3 if it does happen the old line up , I hope it's later not in the next few year . As I hope to see the current doing some more touring and put out whatever else they have done recorded.

It surprised me that so much of the media picked up on this story...especially considering the original source.

Thank you Irving for finally confirming the obvious.   What so many others should have already known.

Shame on those who have tried to spread these types of rumors right after the album's release.

Show me the link to the thread.


Let me guess, you can't find it. Why?

Because we removed the bullshit! That's why!



So next time you wanna have a go at me, think of something better.

 ::)


/jarmo

Thank god.

Now i'm waiting to see Irving Azoff anounce the Chinese Democracy World Tour 2009, with Robin Finck and Brain in :D

Who cares really. Just enjoy the moment.

it should be called "next album" world tour 2009 to continue with the tradition and yes I am only joking... and the serious side I can't wait for new guitarist to be announced as I think it would be exciting. Richard brought Frank now lets see who he or Ron will bring?

and no it will not be Izzy, Slash, Paul or Robin ;)

Fuckin A

Use and confuse them.


They're numb and naive.




 :peace:

/RF

numerous topics were posted on this and deleted -- instead of a prompt and honest denial.  that's what allowed the rumors to spread.  imagine if you'd gotten this denial a week ago. 

as happy as i am to finally get a confirmation that the old guys aren't coming back, i think irving should go farther and make a promise to all fans that when he's manager he'll never try and reunite the washed up has been gnr.  he owes us that much, after failing to deliver the monumental promotion this album deserved. 

Why would he have to make a comment like that?  Do you really see Axl trying to get back together with the old members.  I believe in never saying never, but I really think Axl doesn't see any reason to reunite the old band.

"Nobody owes you," falungong...

"Not one goddamn thing."

Enjoy the music! It's here and it's good, no?

 :peace:

Yeah, I kept hearing this on rock radio, and I knew it was total bullshit. They want the uneducated listeners to think Axl's desperate to get back into the limelight because Chinese Democracy didn't sell a million copies in the first week.

Next time I hear it, I'm going to call the radio station and tell them to "SHUT THE FUCK UP".....

nobody likes these reunion rumors.  but until they're denied, they're allowed to grow.  my point was instead of ignoring the rumors until they got so big it was being reported everywhere, jarmo could have emailed any of his numerous contacts and had the rumor shut down officially -- days ago. 

you should be looking at madison of mygnr.    she tried to stir the direction of the topic to reunion just days after the album's release.   this person obviously has some built up aggression towards Axl and the band and did whatever she could to hijack what should be a great time for all GnR fans.   

I've never seen that bullshit allowed here.

Yeah, I recall your topic: " jarmo, please get axl to stop this rumor before it spreads"


I could've told you it's not happening only to have you tell me I'm covering it up!

 ::)


/jarmo

i know.  there will always be people trying to tear axl down and ruin what he stands for.  that's why people like jarmo need to stand up and fight back.   this rumor bullshit is wrong and disrespectful to the new band.  that place is full of haters.  that's why we NEED real fans to stand up and fight back with the truth.  not just sit around and quietly let axl's name get dragged through the mud.

no, but you could have emailed your contacts and posted their official denial in the thread, then locked discussion.  it would have shut the rumor down and the other troll forums wouldn't have been allowed to piss all over chinese democracy's release with their rumor mongering.

Am I reading this right??  :confused:

you're accusing Jarmo of all people of spreading reunion rumors?? :lmao:

fucks sake. i dont always agree with the big J.

But you are being over the top  falungong.

He is a moderator of an unofficial GNR website.

This is not an official website. He does what he can, its not his responsibility to clear up the entire online gnr communities rumours. He runs his site, simple as that.

Give the guy a break.

Are you part of Jarmo's mgt team or what? It seems that he is the only thing you post about?

 ::) :hihi:

look to the future and not the past!!  : ok: :yes:

Exactly.



/jarmo

Roll on future tour/albums with the guys Axl wants in the band.  He has an extremely talented pool of musicans to choose from judging by all the talent on Chinese Democracy.

Media check your facts, that's cool.  Where exactly can we contact the GNR camp Mr. Azoff?  We have several facts we want to check.

Open a can worms there--lol.

the moment has passed. let's just hope they can recreate it with some massive promotion, videos and touring!

Were there actually people here that believed the reunion rumors?? No offense to anyone that did, but that's pretty fucking stupid. The damn album just came out... why the hell would Axl take a huge shit on his friends (band mates) and the new CD by getting back together with the old band?? He's been with some of these guys longer than he was with the original GN'R... it just wouldn't make sense.

Anyway, the whole reunion rumor has been kicked around for years and not once has there been any truth to it. I for one look forward to the future with this band and honestly hope a reunion never happens. Look what this band has given us... The album is off the fucking hook... their gigs are amazing. They have FUN playing with each other and they are an extremely talented bunch of musicians.

I have nothing against the old members at all. I love those guys and the music they gave us... I like their new bands. But those times are over and it's been time to move on for about 10+ years now.

BTW, thanks to Irving for clearing it up for those of you that were still clinging to hope.

I'm not for a reunion but this statement doesn't make me think there'll never be one.

jarmo, i just want to be really clear man, i really admire you.  you run the best forum in the internet for gnr, no questions asked.  it's just when that reunion talk started, all my friends were giving me shit.  so i wanted to be able to prove to them once and for all that it was pure bullshit.  but for some reason, nobody from gnr was denying it even when it was on mtv. 

i just hate to see people like dr. pepper and the old band trying their best to sabotage the release of chinese democracy. 

Are the band mates his friends?  I'm not sure, I wouldn't know obviously... but most pictures I've seen from back stage don't include Axl.  I think he's probably good friends w/ Tommy and Chris... but I'm just guessing.   Seems to me that Axl keeps to himself and works w/ the band members strictly as professional musicians.

I don't like when people say reunion since the band never broke up... individuals just left, but that's beside the point.  In the context of reports of Axl "disappearing for two months prior the release" it is conceivable that w/ Robin's unknown status that Axl was perhaps considering getting the old guys back in if he felt the new guys were abandoning him... but clearly we know this was never the case now.  I'm just saying that such speculation isn't so absurd considering there were media (tabloid) reports about exactly that.  

Common sense would stop such speculation...

EDIT: BTW, that common sense comment was NOT directed at you... just a general statement.

Yes, they are friends.  Richard specifically has spoken specifically about how he regularly talks to and hangs with other guys in the band.  Richard mentioned that he and Robin live right down the street from each other.  He also said that they don't see Axl as much because he lives out in Malibu.  Not sure exactly where those guys live, maybe Hollywood Hills or the Valley.  Either way, if you've been to LA you know that where Axl lives is not exactly right in the middle of town.  To get from Malibu, especially up on the canyon roads, to the Beverly Hills/West Hollywood/Hollywood area you're looking at an hour plus drive unless you're driving at 3AM and there's no traffic.  It's not exactly the most convenient commute

Robin is kind of an odd cat and it appears he went on tour with NIN without much if any notice, but that doesn't mean the guys aren't friends.  Ron talked about how he and Axl text each other all the time

I never saw anything suggesting that, which is why I was surprised to see this release.....  How odd...  Was there really talk of one?  Weird a response to bullshit, but nothing about furture tour, status with Finck, what Axl is doing.  Very interesting.

Which person living in 2008 thought otherwise? It's too late to take such a huge step backward. I admire Axl for pressing on. Let's see what evolves out of this beast next.

Pure speculation here, but I imagine that for Axl, the release of CD must be like removing a giant albatross from around his neck.  The pressure from fans and the record label to release the album, the debt to the record label, the band lineup changes, all of that is gone.  He is free from all that stuff and now is free to just release music

Because the next Guns record, there's no "$13 million, 13 years" tag attached by the press ad nauseum.  There's no more "where's Slash" because there's already a GnR album without him.  The next release will just be judged for the music, the way it should be.  There won't be nearly as much resistance or negativity

I can't imagine Axl would ever walk away from that newfound freedom and pull a move that the press would paint as him crawling back to them.  When in reality we all know that if Axl called Slash and said let's do it, it would happen.  It's been that way for years.  So why would Axl reunite the old band now, after all this?

Exactly, a huge step backwards.  Axl too strong of a person to let those other guys back.

Which is why I don't understand the need for a release......

I don't think this was a news release, but rather an answer to a question in an interview.

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp

glad this made it on the offical website.

Responding to Bullshit almost gives it creedence.

Well, if he was asked.  ;)

The only sad part is that people believed that garbage about a reunion anyway.  ::)

Those same people thought CD would sell 2 million copies in week 1, especially with Black Friday... Ya right...

What does one have to do with the other?

It's pathetic that people are getting pissed off over this - maybe not here, but at other forums, like Axl's the bad guy again, when THERE WERE NO TALKS OF A REUNION. EVER.

No wonder why he said that the internet is a giant garbage can. It's becoming more and more apparent every single day. Everyone cried for "Chinese Democracy" to be released, and now it's out and people are getting their kicks out of ripping it to shreds? I think some people on these boards really need to check themselves in for a nice long psychiatric evaluation, because something isn't right with some of these people.

At this point, I don't even want a reunion. I've NEVER wanted one. I love "Chinese Democracy", and I want the band to conquer the world on their own terms as well as hear whatever is left in the vault.

Roll on 2009.

What is that wailing sound I'm hearing?
Oh, it's mygnr.com crying their eyes out
This is a victory over idiots everywhere.

First, no bashing the old band. Last I checked they were Far from washed up *double Platinum, 2 hit singles, grammy* I'm sure there are thousands of artists who wishes they could be washed up like that.


2nd: When a guy releases a CD and is silent and doesn't do anything, hires the 'Reunion Management team kings"  people are gonna get the wrong idea


3rd: What's so bad about a reunion anyway? I mean, what did any of them really do that is so unforgivable and bad?


Sure Axl may not want to make that kind of music anymore or what have you, but bands with a lot worst bad blood "motley Crue for example were able to grow up, mature and put things behind them.


I want the CD sessions to run their course, lets get the three albums out of the way etc, but at the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame, I want these guys to do ONE more small 2 or 3 song set together and then officially declare it dead.

My thing is that I wouldn't be against a reunion if it were done for the right reasons.  As in these guys genuinely wanted to get back together and make great music again.  But that will never happen.  It would strictly be for the money and I don't want to see that. 

I also don't see Axl tossing guys like Tommy, Ron and Richard overboard to pad his own bank account.  Just doesn't seem like his style. 

If GNR reunited. I think it should be for like 5 dates. or just once on a live broadcast.

For everyone say the old line up will never get back together...I would just say never say never.

But right now I want the Cd Line up all that they have to offer ie tours and future albums.

right... but you bashing the guys who are actually in the band now is no big deal.   ::)


what did any of the current members do that is so unforgivable and bad?   They are actually in the band right now and didn't do anything to disgrace their place in the band.

this is the best news i have read in weeks!  it is on the official site, and that makes it even better.  I give Axl credit for not taking the money and running (reunion) after all these years.  He had a vision , CD, and stuck to it and finished it.  and in my opinion most fans of this band are better for it.

I just cannot see the old lineup coming up with a CD as good as CD.  But hey, lets move on and hope for a tour.

Made my fucking day! : ok:

I agree. I am totally against anything for a "Cash Grab"

I don't think there will ever be a reunion and that is fine.

I am simply stating, was there really, looking back on it, that much bad blood?  I think most of the problem stemmed from the drugs and alcohol.

Well guess what? They don't drink or do drugs anymore so the lines of communication would be way better than before


I don't want Axl to throw the new guys overboard but who is even in the band anymore?

Realistically if Tommy quit, why not?

U could team Richard as a touring guitarist with Slash if Izzy didn't want to take it full time, Duff back on Bass, let Frank or whoever drum *Fuck matt sorum* and u could keep Pittman and Dizzy.



I just don't want this to be like some bands at the R and R hall of fame where some guys don't show or this or that happens.  Reunite for at least 2 songs, except your amazing well deserved honor and then move on.

Who am I bashing that is in the band?

What, Robin? A Dude who keeps leaving Axl and then coming back when its convenient for his wallet?

yeah u are right, but I don't think I've ever bashed anybody else.

I wish you had the same support for GN'R that you have for Jon.....

 ::)



/jarmo

There is only one GNR reunion I would like to see at this point in time..this certainly isnt the one ;D

Now if we can get some real news up on that site we would be getting somewhere

OMFG yes washed up 80s rehash over fresh and current music anyday duuuuude!!!! :drool: By the way do you have some coke so I can OD and fill my veins with Jack Daniels

I have the same support for Axl as I do for Jon.

Have I ever said anything remotely negative about Axl?

Sounds like fun to me  :hihi:

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to the next two albums in the trilogy and seeing the new lineup tour again.  Maybe we'll even get my dream come true "new" lineup of Bucket, Ronald and Richard

Is this what Robin told you?  How the fuck do you know this to be true, and how can you base your opinion on a "guess".  For all you know Robin felt like helping a buddy?  You have never helped someone out and had a good time doing it?

These stupid ass posts based on nothing is exactly what is wrong with forums these days.

There's the keyword.

I didn't say Axl.

 ::)






/jarmo

D, we pretty much agree on a lot of stuff on here but I have to disagree with you about Robins motives. Was it a dick move that he bolted? Perhaps. But not for 1 second do I think it was because of money. One day he will explain why he left.

I personally think he left because CD still didnt have a release date nor could it be promised that it would have one for 08. So he said, enough is enough.

A person I spoke to said it was an "extremely complicated" situation.

that would make more sense han it being strictly about cash

Well, YG with Robin, If he did it once, fine

The dude has done this twice now and he had to know that CD was actually coming out this year. So yeah, when people seem or appear to be disloyal to Axl, I don't really support them especially when I wasn't a fan of their style all that much to begin with.

I do support Ron who I think plays great, Tommy seems really cool Minus his statement but Im sure that was out of frustration, I started a thread 3 years or so ago saying how Chris Pitman would be the MVP of CD when everyone else was hating on the guy.

So just because I don't really like the style of one member doesn't mean I don't support them.

Just because I don't agree with certain promotional things doesn't mean I don't support them either.

just dont know why you would assume anything without knowing it? But that is what happens on forums.  In real life, people dont just make up shit in the middle of conversations to justify their point do they?  If they do, I am sure they are caled on it.

I mean, your point about Robin is feckless cause you have NO FUCKING IDEA.  You might be right, but to assume Robin was upset, or unhappy about anything without knowing it is just pointless and spreads BS.

Azoff just posted a statement in what I feel is a direct response to negative posts based on nothing.  If I was MYGNR I would be embarrased, especially the mod who started the rumor, cause that statement was directly in response to that type of irresponsible bullshit, hell it might have been to that 112 page thread of bantha fodder in peticular.

I just dont see the point in being negative without any proof.

When I went to the shows they all seemed to get along.  From where I was sitting Axl shadowboxed Robin right before the show started behind the amps by the guitar rack.  So to me, they were fine.  That is all i can go by, I just cant muster up the angst to make up negative shit to prove a point.

This statement by Azoff was a direct respone to this kind of crap.

sorry for being rude, but just some retarded bunch of fanatics can believe Axl is gonna destroy this band, a truly all-star team that just released an incredible album, that does much better and intense live shows, to reunite with the AFD lineup. Who can want to have a drum-master like brain out to be replaced by ...emmmh... steven adler? Why some people want to see Axl with ... velvet revolver minus Weiland?

I cant say ''thank God the reunion rumours are bullshit'' simply because I've never believed them, not for a second.

This is without any doubts the best Guns N' Roses that have ever exist. Why would Axl ruin it all? Senseless.

By the way... is any of you enough stupid to believe Axl will reunite with the pair of guys that tried to bury GN'R in a judicial stand?

The only reunion I want is Guns N' Roses with Robin.

Future is ours. Dont look backwards.

bad news for some...although I really like the new band. Anyway, it has happened lots of times in the music industry that a rumour spreads and then it?s officialy denied, and then the rumour turns out to be true.  For example: back in 1999(?) there was a rumour regarding the Smashing Pumpkins?breakup, they denied it, and then guess what happened?

What statement?

When he told D to get on board or fuck off?




/jarmo

+1

If sometime in the future Slash, Duff, & Izzy joined back up w/ Axl I don't think it would be for the money... they all have money.

Far as I'm concerned, I'd like to see the Chinese Democracy band take over the world.

no foolin'. I've listened to Cd several times a day for 2 weeks. I want more.

it'd be cool to see izzy back writing with axl.  they wrote some good songs together.  then you'd see some izzy songs being played like pretty tied up, 14 years, etc.  dont really care about anyone else...  

yeah, but let's face it... izzy writes kinda dumb simple songs.  nothing epic or grand or that deals with complex emotions and deepness.  it's just simple little two or three chord songs about the same old stuff.  izzy could write a great song about a car, or dinking beer, but there's simply no way he's capable of composing something as symphonic as this i love or street of dreams.  or even estranged.  he just doesn't have it in him.

Ahh Shucks! Greatest thing ever could have happened. But ohh well. there's always next year.

I want to hear more songs from the members who ARE IN Gn'R.  TWAT, Sorry, This I love ... are grand songs.  Bach was lying when he said Sorry was mind blowing.  No matter who is in the band, you'll never recreate AFD.  The only progression that makes sense is to continue the sounds of Chinese Democracy.

i dont remember any bad comment of tommy about the band or axl
even in the worst years (2004-2005) he was always positive and talkative abut gnr and how axl was great and supportive

So lets see, Robin stabs Axl in the back twice and he is welcomed with open arms but a dude like Slash is public enemy number 1?

weird.



What more proof do some of u need on the subject? He didn't inform or tell GNR anything and Trent is posting that he isn't leaving NIN in 2009..........

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what that means right?



I don't hold grudges right, I Mean the dude did get his with a bottle of piss or something, so saying Get On Board or Fuck Off was probably pretty cool considering the circumstance.

people we got to go with the hand were dealt with and right now its axl's guns and the cd is fucking great and hopefully a great tour and lots of promotion follow

if in the future the old guys get back id be totally for it, but lets live for right now and see what unfolds in the future ! rock on gunners

Man you really are delusional. You don't know what the situation is between Robin and the band. Maybe his contract expired again (which is what happened in 1999/2000). Maybe he needed money to pay his bills. Who the fuck knows, but to say he stabbed Axl in the back twice is bullshit. Robin was in the band for 10 years dude and took a lot of shit from you so called fans in the process.

Man some people are beyond dumb. What do you know about Robin and Axl, or Slash and Axl for that matter? Two completely different stories and issues.

D, I definitely agree with what you are saying.  I like Chinese Democracy and I posted my review of it on Facebook. One of my friends stated  that" I'm blinded for my love of Axl" as a result of my review. With that being said, I see nothing wrong with a reunion when the time is right. It may or may not happen in 2012 when the band gets into the Rock N' roll Hall of Fame.  I think that people want to see it b/c there was never any closure to it.

Those of you who seem disappointed by this news should seriously re-evaulate the reason you are at this board.

agreed.

and look up the definition of the word "loyalty" while you're at it.

I think you need to evaluate why you're here. All you do is bash people who would enjoy (in an way) the original band playing
together. OK, There IS a New GN'R! We get it Jim BoB. Now shut up. Stop harrasing people who type their opinions about
the old band. Get off your soapbox and trying to force your opinon down people's throat. There is room for us both here.

Oh I have plenty of loyalty to Axl unlike some guitar player who has left him twice now to play with somebody else and left him high and dry when the most anticipated release ever is out.

I don't understand why people keep giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. Dude wrote one fucking song and he is far from being irreplaceable.

I think the Robin situation is a huge reason why the promotion hasn't been that great because axl doesn't have a full band right now, one is fucking playing with a pop star Rihanna and the other is in a huge mainstream band.

So yeah, forgive me if its hard to fully get behind a bunch of guys who are always out playing with other people more than GNR.

It sounds like the person who wrote this statement woke up on the wrong side of the bed.  :yes:

LOL. I'm glad they responded to this though.

True.

Your room is called Dead Horse.




Nice try.


Like I said, it would be nice to see you support the band like you support your other bands.




/jarmo

Uhh my room is which ever one I choose. TYVM! :beer:

Dude, u can't let the people here who buy their chapstick in bulk in hopes of some concert access or a mod position get u down.

I never post with any sort of agenda. I tell u what I think and how I feel. I ain't here to "meet' the band or become a mod or to get on anyone's good side.

A reunion for the right reasons would be awesome. Not because anyone is forced or doesn't want to. If Axl genuinely wanted to do it, None of u would be against it.

That is all I am saying. If Axl wants it, I am all for it but I don't want it to happen unless its 100 percent positive and genuine.

It cracks me up how anyone on here wouldn't want this if Axl wanted it.

I don't believe you. I think you even offered your mod services at one point...

Correct me if I'm wrong.




/jarmo

Jarmo man can you answer my PM
(not trying to get on anyone's good side I swear ;D)

That was back a long time ago and even then I've always been true to myself and never posted to try and curry favor or to gain anything. What I feel, is what I post whether people love me or hate me for it. I am real if nothing else.

Good for you.


Just because some of us have different views on things (half full/half empty) doesn't mean we're less "real".




/jarmo

how pathetic must someone be to go to sites about bands they don't even like, whining for guys who haven't been in the band for 15 years.   

I'd hate to see how you dwell on things in real life.

Well there's only one word for those kind of people:
Mygnr.com.

some people don't want move on there still stuck in 1987 :hihi:

It's like SLAAASH DUDE I WANNA GET DRUNK AND FUCK!!!! :drool:

Why would you say the guy is stuck in 1987?

Who wouldnt go see a GNR reuniun is thats what Axl want..

Now the GNR camp has said that he dosnt want that at this time....  So... 

Lets enjoy the music that this current lineup has put out.  I am sure Axl with any line up could put out great music.   I would love to see Axl and the old line up, but I am very happy with what we have currently.  There is nothing wrong with that.

For a second there I though you were doing Bach.

I hate to see you live in real life, walking around yelling at people who do not have YOUR exact opinion on everything.
I bet you beat your wife when she says she wants to go see a movie you don't like. I'm sorry but you're pushy, obnoxious
and you have no real grasp on reality. You should create your own GN'R site where your opinion is the only one that
matters.........Ohh, wait sorry... there alrealy is one of those.

I'm done with you.

If that's how you feel then why exactly are you here?
If you want a GN'R site which rewards GN'R bashing go to mygnr.com.

I'm not done with you.


Your analogy is ridiculous.

You bet he beats his wife?

What kind of a person are you?




You CHOSE to come to this site. You KNOW what it stands for.

Nobody forced you to be here, yet you act like WE should adapt to your 1987 fantasy.

Get a fucking clue already.






/jarmo

I don't care if you had the opinion that you have.    I have friends in real life that would only care about the old guns, but the difference is they dont come to GnR fan sites for the purpose of aggrivating those who are supportive of the band.    Its not like they give a shit.

Again, its not your opinion..  I respect it and thats fine.    its the fact that you are coming to a pro-GnR site to basicaly stir shit up.

This is the same guy who stirred shit up in other threads (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=51748.msg1124615#msg1124615) and got all pissy when I didn't punish those that told him off.  :rofl:



/jarmo

What does it stand for?
I came here in anticipation of CD
To download cool shows in AFC section
I come here to see what the fans are talking about.

Not to be attacked when I say, It would have been cool if the reunion rumors were true.

I will spell it out for you since I'm such a nice person:

We support Guns N' Roses today. In 2008. The current band.


Questions?



/jarmo

Yeah you don't stir up shit do you?

Do i have enough time to post all the disgruntled threads in the "Administration" section of people who think you treat their post like garbage?

No I don't.

I just chose to run our site based on my own judgment instead of letting some anonymous Internet brats tell me how to do it.






/jarmo

Hey cant we just support Axl and GNR in any form they are.  Current, past and future.  I for one do not just want to limit my self to being a fan of the current lineup.  Especially knowing how many players come and go.  I am Axl fan and support him in any move he makes.

People seem to think that because I support the band right now, that I hate the old albums.....

Just because I look ahead, I apparently disregard the past.  :rofl:


I'm a Guns N' Roses fan. I was one yesterday, I'm one today and I will be one tomorrow.




/jarmo

Damn that's a harsh analogy bro about the wife thing.


I just don't get people's need to constantly bash axl or the old band.

It isn't the old band's fault if people spread rumors. I don't think they've said or done anything to warrant being insulted.

My point is, if Axl came out and said he buried the hatchet and they were gonna have a reunion, this site would turn Pro Original GNR and everybody knows it.

You guys are just bashing cause you  know there isn't going to be one but if Axl wanted it, everybody would be going ape shit.

I support the new band whether anyone believes it or not BUT it is hard to get the same connection to players you haven't seen or heard as much as compared to people you grew up with.

maybe over the next few years, if GNR stay active and the new guys get their moments to shine in the public eye, those same connections can be built.

They did help create an amazing album and have truly earned their place in this band as they've helped further the GNR legacy.

That's why I hated Tommy's comment so much. once the CD is out, people got on board but realistically they had to know what they were signing up for.

I think a lot of people out there live in the past.  They are only supporters of the old band..  Jarmo with comment like, "look to the future, not the past".  It comes off to myself that you are just a supporter of the current line up..    Hey whatever though, YOU just cleared that up in your last post.  What I got out of that is that you support guns from day one till today and what ever the future may hold.   Thats what kind of fan I am..

As much as I would love to see the old bad..  I would love to see the current line up as well.  CD is a great album.  Best of the year.  I would love to here the current line up play it full live!!

Since we are on the subject. I don't want a reunion because I hate the new band or think they aren't worthy or whatever.

Its just I was too young when GNR were huge and I never got the opportunity to see my all time favorite performers on the stage together.

Surely one could see that point of view.

No shit Sherlock.

In that scenario, that would be the current band.






/jarmo

So its nothing personal against the old guys  for you Jarmo, I get that

I am talking about all these people bashing and talking shit about the old guys.

Thats what I call being real. these same people bashing would be changing their tune if that were to happen and it would be funny watching them.

There is nothing wrong with Tommy's comment.  To me, it was aimed squarely at the people who direct undue hate towards himself and other new members.  It's like, these guys want to be here.  They want to be in GnR.  They've devoted years of their life to it and poured their heart and soul into it.  They don't deserve to be slammed as jokes or session musicians, which is what has happened from certain circles, and that's who the comment was directed at.  Not people who have supported the band

At this point I'd like to see ANY incarnation of GNR...

I love how we get a press release about a rumor which any sensible person could already dismiss on their own. Yet, we still get no reports that Axl has been MIA for the last 2 months and the fact that we still don't have a band. We have guy who played on a record and damn fine record at that but we still don't have a group of faces that constitute what GNR will look like on a stage. I remember watching a NIN DVD that it said during the credits something like NIN Live 1999 or whatever and then the band members that made up the lineup.

Well, I guess we do have a lineup if you look at MySpace but until that band plays a single song live I don't know if we can aactually take it for 100% accurate. What I'm trying to say is I want to hear these new songs live...not in 6 months when the record has fallen off the charts....NOW!

What about the so called GN'R fans who talk shit about Axl? The only guy who's been in the band since day one!





/jarmo

Yeah but I just don't think it is a good idea to say something like that to people you are trying to win over.

U have to appreciate the situation. U are a new band, replacing legends and people that fans grew up with... u are basically playing songs written by the old band.... Did they really expect it to not be rough until CD came out?

I made tons of posts years ago how I felt bad for the new guys not getting to play songs they wrote to shut up and show what they are capable of.

I was 12 years old in 1992, durring the big tours and missed everything...  I got my fix through DVDS and boots...

I dont think ANYONE would ever be against a reunion...  Why would they?  BUT, they just confirmed that it isnt happening.

We have a great Album and a great lineup of players in this band so lets enjoy this..   It is great.  You can always hope to see the old line up.  I do..  Who wouldnt.  But you cant let it get in the way of making the best of what we have.

What I get pissed off at is the media.  Instead of talking about how great of a album this is and how great the current band is, all I hear about is reunion rumors...  All I hear from casual GNR fans and non fans is how this isnt the REAL gnr..  

It just depends on what you consider bashing and what forum you are talking about. I don't really visit many other forums but speaking of here, I've never heard a whole lot of people talk shit about Axl.

Yeah about the promotion etc, but that is just due to overzealous fans wanting to hear from their hero. It isn't meant to be negative but we are like kids sometimes that don't get our way so we scream. We just care too much sometimes and want him to be this enormous King of the Mountain Rock God again and to show all these kids who have grown up with the worst music imaginable how it's done.

sure we go overboard, but having not heard anything in so long gets to the best of us sometimes.

You're mixing things up I think.

At Download Festival in 2006 he said one thing and then after the Cleveland show in 2006 he said the "get on board or fuck off" thing.




/jarmo

Expecting it to be tough is one thing.  Unnecessary abuse is another thing.  Really, it's simple, either you are on board or you are not.  If you are going to dismiss the new band simply because they are not the old band, then fuck off because you aren't going to give them a chance anyway.  Nothing wrong with that at all.

Ali

Yeah my fault, I thought I was a bit fuzzy.

I do like Tommy though and I have thought he was awesome since RIR3. I can understand their frustration as well, I just hate how that has been a tag line for people to say to anyone who doesn't 100 percent agree with every single thing the new band does.

well i for one would be loyal to the current line up.  i really think gnr's the best it's ever been, and i'd hate to see them take a step backwards and start making junky mullet rock like it's 1988 again.  why have big mac when you can have steak?  so yeah, i would be very, very disappointed.  i would still support axl, but i'm not so sure i would be willing to support the rest of the band.  to me, chinese democracy is the best album they've made, far and away.  i think the old band was one of the most overrated in history.  it's like... 'wow, i know one blues scale!'

Yeah but I think you have to prove to people and show them why you are worthy of taking those guys spots. Chinese Democracy does that. It shows how awesome these guys are and that they are definitely worthy to wear the GNR tag.

Back then though, u know how rude and shit people are, hell people boo their beloved home teams in sports, so what i was saying was once CD came out, a great portion of the hecklers would be on board but I'm not sure u can demand people to instantly love you without earning that love first in which CD has done.

*CRAZY D ANALOGY ALERT*
I compare it to being a kid and your parent's getting divorced. U automatically hate your step parent or parent's new BF/GF because u think they are the reason your parents aren't together.

Same concept here. I'm sure the people who hated on those guys did so thinking they were the reason the other guys weren't there..................

Hold the Fuck up

U are calling Appetite For Destruction junk Mullet Rock?

and u call YOURSELF a GNR fan?

U realize the new band plays like 90 percent of that "shitty music" right.

WOW!

Did you see any shows in the past few years? If so  , what the fuck did you during the songs from the mullet years???

Here is a fact. Chinese Democracy is god among men. Every song off of it deserves to be played live from this moment on. If Chinese Democracy (and I am talking about the album) is not going to be represented respectfully and proper like when GN'R perform live then I will shake the fucking rafters in the arena from their foundations. I want NO REUNION because Chinese Motherfucking Democracy is better and cooler then that. If for some fucking reason ($$$) a reunion ever goes down, Slash better get with the fucking program. I would take Buckethead over Slash any fucking day now (And I goddamn love Slash) in GN'R because I would get to hear my preciouses (sp?).

Chinese Democracy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reunion.

U bet u are really hoping Dexter reads that right? :hihi: :hihi:

Wow what the hell is wrong with you. That mullet rock IS GUNS N FUCKING ROSES. The best band to ever walk the face of the earth. All you lovers of the current GnR get a fucking grip will ya. Appetite is and will always be the greatest collection of rock mastery ever assembled. To knock it is obscene. ANY and I mean ANY real GnR fan worships Appetite as the holy grail of rock and roll. Overrated are you out of your god damn mind. You should be banned for such an asinine comment. Wow this post makes me fucking pissed  :rant:. 

Look. Appetite is the greatest Hard Rock album ever. It created not only a movement but, killed a real shitty genre that needed to badly die.

I say this as an old school gunner (I got the cred to back this up), and with my heart opened wide. I also say what I am about to say as a family man now and not the out of control teen I was who was in such a fucking funk I couldn't get out of mental shit that I cherish Appetite for helping me crawl my way out. hooliganscomics brother, Chinese Democracy is better.

Appetite I needed at a time when I had nothing musically to relate to. Still dig the fuck out of it when I am in the mood for some old school sleazy fun. But Chinese D is what turned out to be the very thing I didn't even know I needed until I had it, and it became real. Listening to it maturely its so well crafted and thought out. Each song amazes me in their own way. I cherish each and every one of them. I am really taken with Chinese Democracy. Its masterful. It is one of the all time greatest.

Precious time will prove Chinese Democracy right.

Yeah CD is amazing

I don't think really anyone here has ever said otherwise.

I know that but think bout the new stuff they could come up with i mean we all i hope have heard that when the orriginal line up were comein up with new songs it would just go great and theyd have most of the stuff 4 there song done with in a few hours think of the kick ass songs they could come up with

Speak for yourself, don't speak for the rest of the fan base. I LOVE appetite, don't get me wrong, but I prefer the Illusions over appetite any day.

I liked them back in the day when I had my mullet, and I like them now.

What's the big deal? Enjoy it all and stfu already.

When Appetite was released I was only two lol.

I love all their albums except for tsi, but that was just a cover album.  :peace:

But, I just don't get why some posters can't get the point that the old line-up will probably never get back together again.

I'm almost certain that there will never be a reunion, and in some ways that's a good thing. Sometimes its best to let the past be the past and just appreciate the music.

Not many would wan't that voice used in old music only.

And why the hell is brands so important to some people? Think some must live in very commodified societies. :P


What, that 80's band with the good singer? ::)
Maybe some people simply don't like is so much and enjoy other types of music instead.

Oldguns is like Madonna, yes they are both icons in their scenes and ages.

That doesn't mean everyone likes it on a musical level.

Yep. I once met this guy who was a huge Wings & solo McCartney fan but who didn't care about the Beatles. It can happen but it's still pretty weird.

Yeah, I'm big fan of a solo-song called "going down" by a spice girl (melanie c? ) but the despise the band.

I was into AFD too when it happened but i listen a lot more to Buckethead, The Prodigy and new stuff now.

Yea those people are realy rare

Haha, that was good. As a comeback one could claim that the new band once had a good rock riff but then it escaped them to never come back.