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Title: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: western_chaos on November 30, 2008, 12:57:43 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081130/ap_on_go_pr_wh/clinton_secretary_of_state

A deal with Bill Clinton over his post-White House work helped clear the way for Hillary Rodham Clinton to join President-elect Barack Obama's national security team as secretary of state, reshaping a once-bitter rivalry into a high-profile strategic and diplomatic union.

Obama was to be joined by the New York senator at a Chicago news conference Monday, Democratic officials said, where he also planned to announce that Defense Secretary Robert Gates would remain in his job for a year or more and that retired Marine General James M. Jones would serve as national security adviser.

The officials requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly for the transition team.

To make it possible for his wife to become the top U.S. diplomat, the officials said, former President Clinton agreed:

_to disclose the names of every contributor to his foundation since its inception in 1997 and all contributors going forward.

_to refuse donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Global Initiative, his annual charitable conference.

_to cease holding CGI meetings overseas.

_to volunteer to step away from day-to-day management of the foundation while his wife is secretary of state.

_to submit his speaking schedule to review by the State Department and White House counsel.

_to submit any new sources of income to a similar ethical review.

Bill Clinton's business deals and global charitable endeavors had been expected to create problems for the former first lady's nomination. But in negotiations with the Obama transition team, the former president agreed to several measures designed to bring transparency to those activities.

"It's a big step," said Sen. Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who said he plans to vote to confirm Clinton.

The former president long had refused to disclose the identities of contributors to his foundation, saying many gave money on condition that they not be identified.

Lugar said there would still be "legitimate questions" raised about the former president's extensive international involvement. "I don't know how, given all of our ethics standards now, anyone quite measures up to this who has such cosmic ties, but ... hopefully, this team of rivals will work," Lugar said.

Obama's choice of Hillary Clinton was an extraordinary gesture of good will after a year in which the two rivals competed for the Democratic nomination in a long, bitter primary battle.

They clashed repeatedly on foreign affairs. Obama criticized Clinton for her vote to authorize the Iraq war. Clinton said Obama lacked the experience to be president and she chided him for saying he would meet with leaders of nations such as Iran and Cuba without conditions.

The bitterness began melting away in June after Clinton ended her campaign and endorsed Obama. She went on to campaign for him in his general election contest against Republican Sen. John McCain.

Advisers said Obama had for several months envisioned Clinton as his top diplomat, and he invited her to Chicago to discuss the job just a week after the Nov. 4 election. The two met privately Nov. 13 in Obama's transition office in downtown Chicago.

Clinton was said to be interested and then to waver, concerned about relinquishing her Senate seat and the political independence it conferred. Those concerns were largely resolved after Obama assured her she would be able to choose a staff and have direct access to him, advisers said.

Remaining in the Senate also may not have been an attractive choice for Clinton. Despite her political celebrity, she is a relatively junior senator without prospects for a leadership position or committee chairmanship anytime soon.

Some Democrats and government insiders have questioned whether Clinton is too independent and politically ambitious to serve Obama as secretary of state. But a senior Obama adviser has said the president-elect had been enthusiastic about naming Clinton to the position from the start, believing she would bring instant stature and credibility to U.S. diplomatic relations and the advantages to her serving far outweigh potential downsides.

Clinton "is known throughout the world, very smart, a little harder line than Senator Obama took during the campaign," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a close McCain friend and adviser who is on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, said the Clintons will have to tread carefully to avoid the appearance of conflicts.

"The presumption will be that both Secretary of State Clinton and former President Clinton will be very judicious in what they take on because there's a new dimension here," Reed said. "I think they've put up a good framework. This disclosure, this transparency is the right way to go."

Lugar and Reed both spoke on ABC's "This Week." Graham was on "Fox News Sunday."

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Your thoughts?


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Jim Bob on November 30, 2008, 01:05:21 PM
Its an even better gig for Clinton than VP.    I think its awesome President-Elect Obama is willing to put egos aside and bring in the people he knows are best for the job.  :peace:


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: polluxlm on November 30, 2008, 01:23:42 PM
Every Secretary of State since 1940 has been a Council On Foreign Relations or Trilateral Commission member (James Byrnes 45-47 the only exception), so Hillary getting the spot. another CFR member, is of little surprise.

Same goes for every post 1940 Secretary Of War.

I think change will be business as usual.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: D on November 30, 2008, 01:38:32 PM
I dig Obama, but seriously, why didn't we just elect Hillary if all Obama is gonna do is bring in Clinton's people?


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Jim Bob on November 30, 2008, 01:45:24 PM
I dig Obama, but seriously, why didn't we just elect Hillary if all Obama is gonna do is bring in Clinton's people?

The change IS Obama. 

Who else around has actual executive experience on the national level in the Democratic Party?

I wish they'd bring Al Gore on board too.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Drew on November 30, 2008, 02:02:04 PM
why didn't we just elect Hillary if all Obama is gonna do is bring in Clinton's people?

Your exactly right, I thought it was suppose to be a new way of politics and change. But here we are with the same people that have been around for years and years i.e. the Clinton's and the people who have always been in the Clinton camp. It's the same bullshit politics by the same bullshit people! Nothing fresh, just old, stale, sour politicians who've been in Washington and in power for too damn long.  :rant:


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: western_chaos on November 30, 2008, 02:33:02 PM
Yeah, my opinion is that the u.s. is in a major crisis, with the housing market, jobs and the economy, and so he needs the best people on his staff/cabinet.

I think he has made mostly wise decisions in his selections.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on November 30, 2008, 02:54:59 PM
I have a lot more confidence in Hillary than Obama. So I'm glad he brought her on board.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 30, 2008, 03:37:01 PM
I hope Obama doesn't let up on the research of alternative energy and oil independence.  Look at the price of oil.  This is no coincidence.  They want us to forget we had issues and they want Obama to put his plans on the back burner.  This shit can't happen.  We must remain commited.  Also we must remain committed in ending war in Iraq (safely of course).  I saw JFK over the weekend on AMC.  Its amazing how similar people felt about both JFK and Barack and how the same problems with big oil and denfense companies still run things.  I don't trust anyone at all.  I hope they can over come the pressure from the big corporations.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: D on November 30, 2008, 03:55:27 PM
I hope Obama doesn't let up on the research of alternative energy and oil independence.  Look at the price of oil.  This is no coincidence.  They want us to forget we had issues and they want Obama to put his plans on the back burner.  This shit can't happen.  We must remain commited.  Also we must remain committed in ending war in Iraq (safely of course).  I saw JFK over the weekend on AMC.  Its amazing how similar people felt about both JFK and Barack and how the same problems with big oil and denfense companies still run things.  I don't trust anyone at all.  I hope they can over come the pressure from the big corporations.

i saw Obama on 60 minutes though and he answered that question about energy and how he is tired of the up and down effect and it has to stop once and for all or something like that.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 30, 2008, 04:01:33 PM
I hope Obama doesn't let up on the research of alternative energy and oil independence.  Look at the price of oil.  This is no coincidence.  They want us to forget we had issues and they want Obama to put his plans on the back burner.  This shit can't happen.  We must remain commited.  Also we must remain committed in ending war in Iraq (safely of course).  I saw JFK over the weekend on AMC.  Its amazing how similar people felt about both JFK and Barack and how the same problems with big oil and denfense companies still run things.  I don't trust anyone at all.  I hope they can over come the pressure from the big corporations.

i saw Obama on 60 minutes though and he answered that question about energy and how he is tired of the up and down effect and it has to stop once and for all or something like that.

Get em Barack!  Don't let up with those fuckers! 


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on November 30, 2008, 07:14:30 PM
You sexist MF's...change my butt...isn't it so typical that Obama wouldn't make her VP, but he would instead offer Hillary a Secretary position! :hihi:


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: SLCPUNK on November 30, 2008, 09:32:33 PM
I hope Obama doesn't let up on the research of alternative energy and oil independence. 

He already addressed this and said he would not.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: western_chaos on November 30, 2008, 11:13:19 PM
I hope Obama doesn't let up on the research of alternative energy and oil independence. 

He already addressed this and said he would not.

He has to do more than just talk, he has to deliver on his promises.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on December 01, 2008, 12:33:29 AM
I hope Obama doesn't let up on the research of alternative energy and oil independence. 

He already addressed this and said he would not.

He has to do more than just talk, he has to deliver on his promises.

Yup, all we know of him is talk. On 1/20/09 it is time to put up or shut up.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: SLCPUNK on December 01, 2008, 02:18:15 AM


He has to do more than just talk, he has to deliver on his promises.

I'm sure he'll do just fine, no matter what type of spin people like Senator put on him.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on December 01, 2008, 04:10:43 AM
He hasn't even been sworn in, come on now people.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: tim_m on December 01, 2008, 05:15:50 AM
I don't get why people are bitching about his selections. I mean who else is he gonna select for his cabinet? He's obviously not gonna fill it with republicans or just republicans. People from previous democratic presidents are too old. So what is he supposed to do bring in a bunch of unknowns with no experience at all? Then people would be bitching about that!


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on December 01, 2008, 08:22:51 AM


He has to do more than just talk, he has to deliver on his promises.

I'm sure he'll do just fine, no matter what type of spin people like Senator put on him.

I'd call it a reality check, not spin. I hope he does a good job as President but I'm not assuming that is a given.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Smoking Guns on December 01, 2008, 10:36:14 AM
I didn't vote for Obama, but I support him 100% now. I must.  He must get this right.  He must.  I can't hope for him to screw up, that would be selfish and bad for America.  We must hope he continues things and follows them through.  I am sure he will, but he will get pressure from the elite to back off on certain things, we shall see how it plays out.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: polluxlm on December 01, 2008, 11:53:22 AM
Walter Cronkite receives the Global Governance Award from the WFA. The new Secretary phones in to congratulate his work on the quest for world government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heegk07026I


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Smoking Guns on December 01, 2008, 12:14:59 PM
Walter Cronkite receives the Global Governance Award from the WFA. The new Secretary phones in to congratulate his work on the quest for world government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heegk07026I

Its coming, and I don't know who can stop it.......


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on December 01, 2008, 10:09:09 PM
Yeah, who'd want increased global cooperation?  Crazy peaceniks, that's who I tells ya!  :hihi:


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: The Dog on December 01, 2008, 10:20:57 PM

A deal with Bill Clinton over his post-White House work helped clear the way for Hillary Rodham Clinton to join President-elect Barack Obama's national security team as secretary of state, reshaping a once-bitter rivalry into a high-profile strategic and diplomatic union.


YOU GO GIRL!  : ok:


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: western_chaos on December 01, 2008, 10:41:17 PM
In other news, Sarah Palin campaigned for the run-off election in Georgia for Chambliss.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: polluxlm on December 01, 2008, 10:53:02 PM
Yeah, who'd want increased global cooperation?  Crazy peaceniks, that's who I tells ya!  :hihi:

You're dead on of course.

(http://americanhistoryquotes.com/images/Henry_Kissinger_small.JPG)
Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

(http://www.americanassembly.org/esda.dir/grapix.dir/DavidRockefeller_ind_esda_fullsz_pic_rockefeller_full_sz.jpg)
Some believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

(http://www.undp.org/cpr/disred/images/news/2006/Jan06/GeorgeBushSr.jpg)
We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order, a world where the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order.

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/vaticanpope_nwo04_01.jpg)
Do not fear; put your trust in him! The life-giving power of his light is an incentive for building a new world order based on just ethical and economic relationships.

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National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing of a new world order.




Thank Lord god this new world order is the work of such good and honest men. :love:


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on December 02, 2008, 06:27:40 PM
^sorry Polluxlm, that's what I call irrational fear. 


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: zosobob6 on December 02, 2008, 06:44:13 PM
hey polluxlm, who is the guy in the santa hat?

that guy looks like the devil himself.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: polluxlm on December 02, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
Oh I'm not afraid. Bring it on I say.

The fearful ones are those that abandoned their rights and common sense for something that costs only 68 lives a year. But that is a foregone discussion. The information is out there for those that want to know.

Just follow the money. Last time the world went broke was in the 30s. It's time for another reset of the fractional system. Beware of the aftershock.

hey polluxlm, who is the guy in the santa hat?

that guy looks like the devil himself.

That is Pope Benedict, Vicar of Christ.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: D on December 02, 2008, 07:31:16 PM
I will say this. I am getting very excited about Obama's Presidency.

With he, Biden and Hillary. Thats a pretty damn powerful force.


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: polluxlm on December 02, 2008, 07:36:14 PM
I will say this. I am getting very excited about Obama's Presidency.

With he, Biden and Hillary. Thats a pretty damn powerful force.

Yeah, they can roll over everybody. Law in hand. : ok:





Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: *Timothy* on December 02, 2008, 07:40:47 PM
I will say this. I am getting very excited about Obama's Presidency.

With he, Biden and Hillary. Thats a pretty damn powerful force.

Yeah, they can roll over everybody. Law in hand. : ok:





I don't think they will do a repeat of the last 8 years. : ok: 


Title: Re: Clinton As Secretary of State
Post by: polluxlm on December 02, 2008, 07:42:00 PM
Time will tell.