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Title: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Dot on November 29, 2008, 09:45:57 PM Ok so, Vinyl releases are huge right now, again, but why is it? is it something nostalgic? is it better sound quality?
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: BlowUpYourVideo on November 30, 2008, 07:13:50 AM Probably nostalgia. I don't own any vinyl - except for two GNR singles that I found - though I was thinking about buying CD on vinyl just to have it.
People say the sound quality on vinyl is better but having never listened to one I wouldn't know. :P I've grown up with CDs and they sound alright to me. ;D Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: mrlee on November 30, 2008, 08:26:26 AM i hate vinyl.
its big, its messy and easy to damage. I guess im just part of the CD generation so i cant stand the thought of "memory cards" replacing them. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on November 30, 2008, 09:25:34 AM I have mucho love for vinyl.
One of the best aspects before even getting into the sound quality is being able to see the front cover properly. I was kind of annoyed that with Chinese Democracy the records were just in blank sleeves, with my Appetite and Illusions Vinyls you have all the pictures on the sleeve. I got into vinyl years back and have loved collecting them and sound wise do prefer it, I don't listen to it as much as I would like to these days just for the sake of convenience, since I often listen to music on my laptop from room-to-room. Anyway I created a thread a while back to worship it's greatness... :D http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=14035.0 But on a side note CD's are great to. Fuck the memory card/itunes thoughts/ideas. I like booklets in my hands and decorated CDs dammit. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: BlowUpYourVideo on November 30, 2008, 11:01:46 AM i hate vinyl. its big, its messy and easy to damage. I guess im just part of the CD generation so i cant stand the thought of "memory cards" replacing them. Yeah, what's up with the memory cards? That shit ain't right. I bet when I'm 40 or whatever, there'll be a CD revival and we shall all marvel at their greatness and going down to the old HMV (the modern equivalent of the old back street record shop) to buy them and how the kids these days don't know what they're missing. iTunes is good for just getting a track or two off an album. That's what I use it for anyway. Only ever bought one full album off there and that was a while ago. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Howard2k on November 30, 2008, 12:25:11 PM Vinyl has a sound of it's own which is often mistaken for "better quality".
Throw one on if you have a chance. There IS a difference. Just don't get sucked into the "vinyl is better" hype. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Butch Français on November 30, 2008, 01:18:33 PM I have mucho love for vinyl. One of the best aspects before even getting into the sound quality is being able to see the front cover properly. I was kind of annoyed that with Chinese Democracy the records were just in blank sleeves, with my Appetite and Illusions Vinyls you have all the pictures on the sleeve. I got into vinyl years back and have loved collecting them and sound wise do prefer it, I don't listen to it as much as I would like to these days just for the sake of convenience, since I often listen to music on my laptop from room-to-room. Anyway I created a thread a while back to worship it's greatness... :D http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=14035.0 But on a side note CD's are great to. Fuck the memory card/itunes thoughts/ideas. I like booklets in my hands and decorated CDs dammit. I agree on the CD, memory card and itunes crap. I want the booklets and the CD/LP! when it comes to vinyl though, it's just normally too much work for me to bother with it. I'll probably like it more when I have a good and easy stereo setup some day. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on November 30, 2008, 02:14:36 PM iTunes is good for just getting a track or two off an album. That's what I use it for anyway. Only ever bought one full album off there and that was a while ago. True. I've used it for B-Sides I can't find elsewhere and "Itunes" exclusive tracks, but dammit that's not right! Monster Magnet had the right idea with the bonus track on their last record....Vinyl Exclusive! :DPeople should post some pictures of their vinyl collections here, would be really cool to see, especially Picture Discs, I love collecting them! :yes: Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on November 30, 2008, 03:04:18 PM My vinyl collection - this likely warrants the purchase of a new turntable- my old one died a couple years back...( The Zep box set actually does not belong ( that was the 4-CD set) but all else is vinyl)
BTW- much of it were hand me downs from my parents so there is an LP or 2 which seems a bit odd.... (http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo228/Blutarsky/DSCN0847.jpg) Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Izzy on November 30, 2008, 04:28:50 PM Its has nothing to do with sound
It has everything to do with being a pretenious wanker 'oh I listen to the album on vinyl, you mean you dont?! Oh how drool' Its like smoking weed - those that do it have to tell everyone else in some desperate attempt at self validation Vinyl died because it was shite Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Evolution on November 30, 2008, 04:40:15 PM Its has nothing to do with sound It has everything to do with being a pretenious wanker 'oh I listen to the album on vinyl, you mean you dont?! Oh how drool' Its like smoking weed - those that do it have to tell everyone else in some desperate attempt at self validation Vinyl died because it was shite Bah humbug! Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: sandman on November 30, 2008, 04:41:35 PM Holy shit, Senator! you just gave me a major flash back! that picture looks EXACTLY like what i have seen for years at my house growing up and still to this day at my parent's house. underneath the receiver, CD player, etc on the bottom of the stereo case, we kept the large vinyls that didn't fit right in the seperate shelves we had. same wood frame with led zep first, Bruce live next, followed by a bunch of other albums.
i love vinyl! to me it sounds more real. almost as if i'm listening to a live cut. i'm actually shopping for a better storage system for my dad for xmas for his whole collection. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on November 30, 2008, 07:09:03 PM Its has nothing to do with sound It has everything to do with being a pretenious wanker 'oh I listen to the album on vinyl, you mean you dont?! Oh how drool' Its like smoking weed - those that do it have to tell everyone else in some desperate attempt at self validation Vinyl died because it was shite Bah humbug! Nice collection Senator Blutarsky good spread of taste, from Van Halen to Creedence Clearwater Revival :D Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: JuicySwoos on November 30, 2008, 07:18:02 PM Vinyl has a sound of it's own which is often mistaken for "better quality". Throw one on if you have a chance. There IS a difference. Just don't get sucked into the "vinyl is better" hype. That is a decent take. Vinyl does sound different. Just like taste, everyone's ear is different as well. Some will prefer the sound of vinyl, some will prefer CD, some will not notice a difference. Heck, most may not notice a difference between MP3 and vinyl/cds The nostalgia factor is also a reason for the resurgence. The "collection" aspect of vinyl adds to the experience for many. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: polluxlm on November 30, 2008, 07:27:08 PM Its has nothing to do with sound It has everything to do with being a pretenious wanker 'oh I listen to the album on vinyl, you mean you dont?! Oh how drool' Its like smoking weed - those that do it have to tell everyone else in some desperate attempt at self validation Vinyl died because it was shite Vinyl died because CD's are a shinier and cheaper toy (to make, no to buy, of course). Easier packaging, lower freight, more units. Now they want to get rid of that too. All digital, straight from an automated hit machine. Flushing out copy after copy of the easiest digestible, most forgettable plastic sounds made for man, attached to a jerk off inducing busty digistar. Vinyl represents a time when a little effort went into what once used to be about the art. And the sound is indeed better, if you're listening to real music. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on November 30, 2008, 07:46:57 PM Too many to get into one pic so here's a bunch, some GN'R, Crue and 12" and 7" Picture Discs.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Vinyl1.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Vinyl2.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Vinyl3.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Vinyl5.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Vinyl4.jpg) Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: polluxlm on November 30, 2008, 08:14:39 PM Yeah. that's what I'm talking about. No further reasoning necessary. ^
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: SLCPUNK on November 30, 2008, 09:29:40 PM Its has nothing to do with sound It has everything to do with being a pretenious wanker 'oh I listen to the album on vinyl, you mean you dont?! Oh how drool' Its like smoking weed - those that do it have to tell everyone else in some desperate attempt at self validation Vinyl died because it was shite Get a load of angry Grandpa.... Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: SLCPUNK on November 30, 2008, 09:31:11 PM Too many to get into one pic so here's a bunch, some GN'R, Crue and 12" and 7" Picture Discs. That's awesome. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: mrlee on December 01, 2008, 12:44:41 PM Hammy, that is one amazing collection.
And you have an Enuff Z' Nuff single, woah! Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on December 01, 2008, 01:21:02 PM And you have an Enuff Z' Nuff single, woah! Haha, I also have a fair few Ratt and Poison albums :DTitle: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: mrlee on December 01, 2008, 01:39:36 PM And you have an Enuff Z' Nuff single, woah! Haha, I also have a fair few Ratt and Poison albums :DExtra kudos if you have the RATT EP. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on December 01, 2008, 01:55:43 PM And you have an Enuff Z' Nuff single, woah! Haha, I also have a fair few Ratt and Poison albums :DExtra kudos if you have the RATT EP. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: mrlee on December 01, 2008, 02:12:31 PM yeah some old RATT t-shirts on ebay were selling for stupid prices!
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Hammy on December 01, 2008, 02:17:57 PM yeah some old RATT t-shirts on ebay were selling for stupid prices! Haha no I don't mean Ratt specifically I mean charity shops. Vinyls used to be real cheap and they had no idea what some were worth, now though, they KNOW when they have good lps and price them up, unfortunately......D probably won't like me saying this, but as far as rock artists go, Bon Jovi's records were all over charity shops i've been to, more so than any other rock artist. :D Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: JuicySwoos on December 01, 2008, 02:30:11 PM yeah some old RATT t-shirts on ebay were selling for stupid prices! Haha no I don't mean Ratt specifically I mean charity shops. Vinyls used to be real cheap and they had no idea what some were worth, now though, they KNOW when they have good lps and price them up, unfortunately......D probably won't like me saying this, but as far as rock artists go, Bon Jovi's records were all over charity shops i've been to, more so than any other rock artist. :D I picked up "shout at the devil", and a few AC/DC records last week for only a buck a pop at the good ole goodwill last week. They are a great place to find cheap vinyl. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Butch Français on December 01, 2008, 04:18:26 PM Its has nothing to do with sound It has everything to do with being a pretenious wanker 'oh I listen to the album on vinyl, you mean you dont?! Oh how drool' Its like smoking weed - those that do it have to tell everyone else in some desperate attempt at self validation Vinyl died because it was shite Vinyl died because CD's are a shinier and cheaper toy (to make, no to buy, of course). Easier packaging, lower freight, more units. Now they want to get rid of that too. All digital, straight from an automated hit machine. Flushing out copy after copy of the easiest digestible, most forgettable plastic sounds made for man, attached to a jerk off inducing busty digistar. Vinyl represents a time when a little effort went into what once used to be about the art. And the sound is indeed better, if you're listening to real music. as opposed to fake music. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on December 02, 2008, 12:06:31 AM yeah some old RATT t-shirts on ebay were selling for stupid prices! Haha no I don't mean Ratt specifically I mean charity shops. Vinyls used to be real cheap and they had no idea what some were worth, now though, they KNOW when they have good lps and price them up, unfortunately......D probably won't like me saying this, but as far as rock artists go, Bon Jovi's records were all over charity shops i've been to, more so than any other rock artist. :D I picked up "shout at the devil", and a few AC/DC records last week for only a buck a pop at the good ole goodwill last week. They are a great place to find cheap vinyl. Yep, 92 cent classics at Goodwill. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Albert S Miller on January 18, 2009, 01:53:26 PM I have been playing CD on my record player daily, yesterday it finally occurred to me that I don't have any 45's left in my life, then it got me thinking how cool it would be if GNR actually put out one of their singles for all of us born again vinal lovers onto a 45. I'm sure the possibility doesn't even exist, but for me and maybe a few others out here would be great to have.
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 19, 2009, 06:39:44 PM Chinese Democracy (the song) was put out on a 45!
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Albert S Miller on January 19, 2009, 11:07:54 PM Chinese Democracy (the song) was put out on a 45! I really had no idea, thank you so much : ok:Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Albert S Miller on January 20, 2009, 11:27:40 PM K... where do I find it plez?
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Layflats on January 21, 2009, 12:41:01 PM The simple answer is vinyl does sound better. Analog recording in general is still the best way to hear rock n roll.
Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 21, 2009, 07:01:45 PM K... where do I find it plez? I think you had to pre-order it from HMV. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Albert S Miller on January 21, 2009, 07:20:42 PM K... where do I find it plez? I think you had to pre-order it from HMV. Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Gunner80 on January 21, 2009, 07:48:57 PM Sound in its nature is analogue so vinyl is the best way to hear music as it is a complete identical copy of the master. Digital is based on highs and lows and works by filling in those gaps where the other frequencies should be (not all of them) so the human ear doesn't notice. When those frequencies are all in the signal like they are supposed to be you can hear the difference. I generally find drums on vinyl to be far more punchy and better represented than on cd. No it is not an "identical" copy of the master - nice try though. Nothing beats a live instrument.Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: mrlee on January 22, 2009, 07:47:28 AM The simple answer is vinyl does sound better. Analog recording in general is still the best way to hear rock n roll. You know im sure CD is the superior, the only reason it doesnt sound so good lately is the bands compressing everything when they record. Thats nothin to do with the CD.Title: Re: What?s the deal with the Vinyl revival? Post by: Layflats on January 22, 2009, 12:42:58 PM The technical answer is this.
Digital - You have a top and bottom end limit to frequencies. You see things like 44.1 K, 48K, 96K. A computer is analyzing and putting the frequencies (sounds) onto a bit map. The higher the number, the bigger the map. When you put it to compact disc, you go back to 16 bit. Hi-def sets you up at 24 bit. Analog - Tape frequency range is infinite. So most high level bands can afford to record tracks on 2" tape and lose no frequency range. Then you can put the master onto say 1 or 1/2" tape and lose none of the frequency range. Yet, when it is transfered to disc, it still has to convert to 16 bit digital, then it sounds "squashed". The big $ amounts in studios are spent on the best analog to digital converters. Vinyl on the other hand has the same properties recording-wise as tape, so the original frequency ranges are left in tact. In all fairness, 96K/24 bit has helped in this regard, but you still have to put the thing on this 16 bit cd, unless you again go hi-def to 24 bit. The flip side is the integrity of the cd is easier to keep vs. vinyl. You have to take good care of vinyl or you get skips and pops more readily. Plus, it's a real bitch to play vinyl in the car. The cassette tape went away because of degradation. You play a tape a hundred times and the magnetic force that keeps the sound on the tape starts to weaken. Mathematically, analog is the best way to fly. Also would agree nothing beats a rocking live band. |