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What songs from the album to we know of for sure?

Just thinking about this...

Isn't Oklahoma a song that was in the mix?

What about that song "Checkmate" isn't that a song... just curious as to how all these years only certain song titles leaked out.

I would like to know what else is in the chinese stew

I guess its hard to call anything an outtake - especially with so many studio sessions and supposedly 2 albums yet to be culled from them. I mean, wasn't Catcher originally supposed to be on one of the later ones?

Silkworms.

I've heard people referring to Oh My God as an outtake.

Seven , Thyme , General , No Love Remains, Atlas Shrugged, Zodiac

Well The General is gonna be on the last album right ?


other songs who know's I guess we will find out in a couple of years, Until then I will enjoy Chinese Democracy and some Touring !!!

Didn't If the World get renamed from Atlas Shrugged?

Not sure .
Hell yeah , SIr :beer:

God knows which were working titles of the current songs as well.. Time will tell :)

I can't wait for a studio version of silkworms after hearing it at rio.

Don't think so..... is there an interview where this is stated?

i sure hope it isn't, if the world's a fantastic song, but i want atlas shrugged to be fucking mental metal :hihi: it probably wont though

I'm positive I read something about Oklahoma becoming something else. Maybe even TWAT. I can't remember what tho.

I think Oklahoma is Riad....despite what people claim. Josh Freese is credited as writing the drum arrangement so the song has to come from 1999 or before. I could get in to why the lyrics fit with what Axl described to Rolling Stone about Oklahoma but it would take too much effort.

"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)

"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken)." (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)

Song after song combines the edgy hard rock force and pop smarts of vintage Guns N Roses with surprisingly modern and ambitious music textures. In addition to the album's almost grungy title track, tentative song titles include 'Catcher in the Rye,' 'I.R.S,' 'The Blues',  'Oklahoma' - heard tonight only as an instrumental,  and 'TWAT,' which he says stands for 'there was a time.'" (Rolling Stone, 01/00)

 

Who knows how many of these were coded titles so that if a name leaked out of what someone like Beltrami was working on, no one would know what track exactly.  Madagascar and TWAT I could see as being the songs "Seven" and "Thyme," due to the use of samples from Se7en and of course Time = Thyme.

JMTC.

Checkmate...never heard of it?

haha

The "Scraped' lyrics fit what "Atlas Shrugged" would be but U can never tell as the album has a certain theme and all the lyrics kind of fit together from song to song.

Me too. :D :D :D

Me Third , Bitches!!!!

Yeah, I was not a fan of Silkworms but after hearing what they did on Chinese Democracy, I have all the faith in the world that Axl & crew will nail it come release time.

The lyrics for Riad certainly fit for a court battle.  I wouldn't be surprised if Oklahoma was the beginnings of Riad.

Ahhh, speculation.  I found myself just days after getting my hands on CD thinking 'This is great - I want more, whats next?'...felt bad, or guilty for being so greedy, like some kind of dope fiend...but now I can see I am not the only one.  I guess its just one of the evils of human nature...never satisfied!  :hihi:

I would love to know every little detail of production of CD, and unfortunately I think we will have to wait for Axl's autobiography, unless he breaks form and gives a crazy-in-depth interview.

i'm with yall on that note, that song is so BALLZ :headbanger: i just want to hear it now. I hope they re-write it a little bit so its longer. Some where between November Rain and Coma in length.

as for Oklahoma, thats a different song and is NOT Riad.

also, Checkmate was made up back in the day by i think razel. and if your wondering how i know that theres a thread over at newgnr.com with an article that pretty much confirms that.

:peace:

and how do you know Oklahoma is not Riad? Don't give me the setlist Vegas 2001 fan bullshit...do you have a quote from a band member? Song 2 wasn't Prostitute either......let's see some proof. :P It is not ironic that the David Wild interview from Jan 2000 had IRS, TWAT, Catcher, The Blues/Street of Dreams, and Oklahoma mentioned. All those songs are on the album. I'm standing by it, Riad is Oklahoma until proven differently by a real source. Josh is credited for the drum arrangement which proves the song was in the rotation in 1999.

I don't see a connection content-wise between Oklahoma and Riad. Where are the allusions to the bombing/victims? The song is quite an attack on Everly and Seymour, nomads who drift from man to man taking whatever they can carry away from the relationship, but I am missing the connection to OKC.

I recall a mention of a song called the Ides of March.

Also some others I came across but I think some are probably fake:

Cock-a-roach Soup
Suckerpunched
No Love Remains
Friend or Foe
Zip It
Something Always
Hearts Get Killed
Closing In On You
Strange Disease

Wasn't there some kind of talk, that the "checkmate" clip was actually that song? ..

You hit the nail on the head with Everly/Seymour relationships and Axl being "attacked"....I think it fits. He just called it Oklahoma because it was a huge event that was happening at the time he wrote the lyrics? Maybe just a working title at the time since Riad and the Bedouins is kind of a strange title for a song.  Either way, Riad completely rocks. :peace:

I think Oh My God is going to be on the next album redone. And the other songs will be on the other 2 albums  : ok:

Personally I hope not. they already released it on a soundtrack.  I think they should let some other songs out that haven't been heard yet, they have a ton of them!

yeah but a new revamp verson would be cool.

I've gotten this from elsewhere, not sure if it's true or not but I've heard that Oh My God on the End of Days soundtrack is a demo working of the song?

Yeah that is why Axl had a press release talking about choosing the song and finishing it up...

SILKWORMS will not be on any guns album because its not written by axl.  i remember sebastian bach saying something about THE GENERAL, how he had asked axl when that song would be released and axl supposedly said "2012".  if there is in fact 2 more albums worth of music, im sure many of these songs like checkmate and the general will be heard on the next 2.  in the meantime, axl is probably writing even MORE music for releases after the next two. 

In Feb 2007, Axl said SILKWORMS was re-worked and would be on the second album.

also, didn't he say that they had changed it's name and it was his girlfriends favourite song?

Yeah. And someone else (Brain?) said that the futuristic sound of his song didn't fit with the theme of Chinese Democracy and that it'd definitely be on one of the later albums.

Right you are.


Tr00f.

Oooh, Silkworms! I love that tune, I don't see why people hate it so much. I liked it the first time I heard it, would love to hear the studio version of it. If it's not on the second or on the third album, they should release it as a b-side on one single.

I remember reading an interview where one of the band members said that it was WAY ahead of its time, and it still might be!

pitman talked about it some weeks ago in some radio interview i think :yes:

Maybe Asshole Song???  ;D

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I remember reading an interview where one of the band members said that it was WAY ahead of its time, and it still might be!
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Chris Pitman.


Interesting little ditty if it's recorded :p

Short as hell though.