Here Today... Gone To Hell!

WHY?

Because these typos are all too much to take. Let's get back to talking about the incorrect use of the apostrophe in the name Guns N' Roses and misspelled titles like Nightrain instead  : ok:

Seriously, I thought this shit would stop once CD was out

Now threads are getting deleted still..............

D, why do you always need to focus on negative shit?  Who really gives a fuck about typos or whatever??

TODAY IS ALL ABOUT CELEBRATING BEING A GNR FAN!!!  THANK YOU GNR!!!  :headbanger:

OUt of 120 posts in that thread, I think maybe 3 of them said anything about typos.

For your information , I haven't made ONE single negative post.

I still want to talk about the booklet, who played what, who wrote what and all that. Why not delete the few posts like that like they usually do in other threads?

I'm so glad I am not a moderator with the traffic this forum has now :hihi:

I have read 5% of the stuff in the main section and spent pretty much time on the forum today.
Maybe the mods are just cutting their work short.

Wouldn't think a booklet thread would a problem like that so :peace:

me either

one dude came in talking about some typos

one post can sink a huge thread?

i dont get it


I guess I won't get an explanation either

Without starting another thread, and I don't usually comment in here, but...

Why would the thread about Richard Fortus performing on the AMAs be deleted?  And right as the show was over?  ???

And just now another thread of just 2 posts partially on the booklet got deleted. WTF is this?

Against rules? No that I can see. Wrong topic? I don't think so. So WTF is up?

This is seriously not cool. The critique in the booklet threads has been 100% on point and abiding by all rules as far as I know. We can't all be discussing how perfect everything is in the GNR world. The booklet has more than an acceptable amount of mistakes and addressing the issue may improve things later on. Hush-hush policies benefit no one.

Comments from main GNR topic moderators PLEASE!!!

Well though I'm happy I found a few typos in my booklet, but I think that's normal, right?  :nervous:

Its a bit strange that the booklet discussion thread is being deleted given the popularity of this thread:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49802.0


Literatory errors once seemed to be a rather prudent discussion topic.

Ahh... touch?!

If you're going to have a standard, it might as well be a double...

I posted that thread today. I honestly didnt see the other thread that was axed. If I had known it was a "sore subject" I would have never posted. I didnt think it would be a problem, and still dont understand why it IS a problem, it is what it is.

I was just making conversation. Every aspect of the CD is being discussed, and I figured that should have been too. I, in no way was putting down the cd, or demeaning it, just simply making conversation with my fellow GnR comrades.

Maybe a PM to the original poster explaining why it had been yanked, instead of just giving it the Houdini treatment?? I guess we should be careful, this thread might be the next victim. LOL :peace:

Something that reflects poorly on the band being deleted ... HMMM ... strange ...

Welcome to HTGTH!

No answers?

We can't talk about an official product put out by the band?

Thats just ridiculous.


This is worse than the football player Terrell Owens saying he was "misquoted" in his autobiography.

no that isn't even what the thread was about.

out of 100+ posts, there were maybe like a handful about the typos. it was mostly about the Chinese symbols, lyrics, photos, who wrote what and played what etc etc.

who cares about a few typos anyway? I don't think that is a big enough deal to get in a hissy over.

really D?  wow...

maybe it was moved to the ex-gunners section  :hihi:

obviously being tongue in cheek (or not so tongue in cheek)
the booklet is fascinating shows us so much that was going on behind the scenes that we had no idea about and woulda never guessed
man...  what a talented group of people GN'R had during the Vegas/CD Era   :love:

I'm surprised this thread is still here. This is not tongue in cheek.  :(

But Eva is right about the booklet being fascinating. At least in terms of credits. I like the design mostly too. Just the mistakes...

wasn't it in that thread the translation of the chinese symbols were?
i really wanted to save those.

It was...

Check your PMs, Nighteyes!

I dig those chinese symbols too. the booklet's very nice.  :D

for instance,
this i love　
"愛? :love:

^ I had left the booklet open on my desk turned to that page, and my roommate comes across it and says, hey, isnt that the symbol on Gaara's forehead?  ;D ai!

I saved them at gnrsweden : ok:

Why are you such a kiss ass anyway?

Some people may never know the answers to these questions...

Let's put things in perspective. You're holding the first GN'R album in years in your hands. And what do you wanna talk about?

Some errors in the fucking booklet.....

For fuck's sake!


/jarmo

yeah Jarmo but we weren't talking about the errors. One or two posters did, the rest of us were telling them the exact same thing u are saying now.

Most of the thread was just about who played what, translating the symbols, and all of that. Most of that thread was very positive and I made a point to steer people away from any negative typo talk cause it doesn't matter.

Its not a big deal, I honestly could care less about booklets, but I just hate when one or two posters can kill an entire thread.

With all due respect... yeah. It's not the only thing to talk about but yes, I do wish to talk about it and by the length of the thread I know I'm not the only one. I wish to talk about it not only because the errors were quite a contrast to the perfectionism that can be found elsewhere in the product but also because the discussion fell under what I understand with 'constructive criticism', i.e. it actually may make things better in the future. I see no difference between this and Metallica fans criticizing the sound quality on Death Magnetic. Now if DM buyers didn't complain about the poor sound they would be in for the same treatment next time around. Next GNR album I wish to see with less mistakes in the booklet. Actually, I also wish they'll correct mistakes on CD booklet if they need to print more.

The question isn't about magnitude. The issues touched in the thread were of minimal relevance (unlike DM). It was about intrigue. And if HTGTH is not the place for that it should be made clear in the rules/T&C so we won't be left wondering "wtf?" Now the related discussion has grown to be about principles. Lots of people had their posts deleted for no clear reason (all in the thread actually, but even more those not touching the issue of mistakes in the booklet but the discussing the Chinese language). If we're expected to abide by the rules then I expect to be treated respectfully when doing so. Deleting posts at will and without proper explanation is not respectful. Period.

To really put things in perspective... We're holding the first GN'R album in years in our hands. And what do mods wanna do? Delete a thread (actually at least two) that doesn't violate any stated rules like you had nothing better to do and wished to bully the members for the hell of it.

I'm baffled  :no:

Its also valid from a customers position. I cant take the album back and ask for one with a booklet thats not faulty, because from what I gathered before the topic was deleted, apparantly they're all like that.

Discussing this issue on a fan forum is perfectly reasonable. How can one prudent thread, amongst many happy and excited threads, somehow ruin this occasion for people?

I guess it can kind of be interpreted as us fans never being happy.

We bitch cause we don't have CD and then once we get CD we find something else to bitch about.

I can see that but my point was, that thread didn't even contain very much bitching about the typos. 90 percent of it was positive and "They are no big deal" etc.

i'm not fussed about typos in the booklet.

the booklet is the most in-depth look at the making of any GnR album ever released.    Each individual band member(even ones who left) were given the respect to do their own thank yous, and the cover art is great.

why bitch about stupid shit?

exactly but that thread wasn't a "bitch" thread. a few people here and there may have brought it up but a few posts shouldn't kill a thread that was mostly positive and had some cool back and forth discussions.

Are you still whining about this? Go listen to the album.

 :D  You're back!

Finally

Ive been waiting all week for permission!

What exactly is "stupid shit"? You can't possibly mean the discussion on the booklet as no one was bitching about anything in the thread.

Discussing reasons for deleted posts is hardly stupid either.


This is how things are handled at HTGTH? Screw over members contributing to this board and give no explanations. And when questioned ignore the issue and demean those doing the questioning? Not cool.

We waited for 17 fucking years, and now that it's finally out:

Waah, the booklet has typing errors! :crying:

Pathetic.

One could argue it's also pathetic to discuss the songs. It makes no fucking difference what so ever. Why not everyone just listen to their long awaited album and shut the fuck up?

But this thread here is about the right to discuss a topic that does not violate the rules of the board. You don't have to comment if you don't think a topic is worth discussing. It's called freedom of choice.

People posting on threads they're not interested in... now that's pathetic!

Whats pathetic is that Guns N'Roses have released possibly the most unprofessional error strewn cd booklet in the history of the band, or even the entire genre.

Whats pathetic is they are selling this product to the world as "The most anticipated album of all time", and yet it wasnt anticpated enough for someone to double check that everything was spot on before giving the ok to print millions.

Whats pathetic is the way the admin of this site are belittling the members who have reasonably asked why they are not allowed to discuss this issue, or any of the more redeeming features of the booklet, with other fans who have bought this album.

Why is it always the same people creating and posting in these threads? You all know the answer to these questions.

Yeah, I get it. You want to hear it from the horses mouth.

Well that's not going to happen, obviously. So why not just go back and honor the contract we all signed at one point or another.



 

Axl once sang "you may not like our integrity". Well, this isn't "a world built out of anarchy" but I sincerely hope there would is some integrity in people to stand up for their actions. You know, to man up and admit the truth. Was it a mistake? Ass kissing? Selling out? A power trip?


Which contract was that again? I don't recall agreeing to anything of this nature. However, I do try my best to abide by the rules of the board.

Are you actually saying that, after all these years, a few typing errors takes away from the experience of finally hearing Chinese Democracy in its entirety? Enough to bitch and moan about it on the internet? And I'm the pathetic one? Jesus Christ man, get a life.

It looks like a kid with a hat that has a cigarette in his mouth.

Anyone else see it?


Not our house...sort of :P

Please DO NOT put words in my mouth. That is beyond pathetic and lowest forms of debating.

The topic is not "the CD booklet and its mistakes". And even in that deleted thread I never said ANYTHING to that extent. I just wanted to fucking discuss it. Period. And I THOUGHT and still think that I had the right to do so. That is one of the things that is being discussed here now.

The booklet doesn't add or take away anything of relevance when it comes to experiencing CD.

Deleting threads at will, however, takes away A HUGE aspect of being a part of a message board.


Well I took a look at the house rules and there wasn't anything about it. As I agreed with all the rules I chose to enter. Now that I'm still inside I'm left wondering what the fuck the rules actually are as they sure as hell aren't the ones I agreed to go by.

It's a two-way street. Master(s) of the house are to be respected if you choose to enter, but the guests who respect the master are also to be treated with respect. The only thing I'm after here is who went wrong and where, because it seems a whole bunch of HTGTH members were disrespected big time.

Maybe you should start your own fucking GnR board and make your own fucking rules, and see how you feel when people come to your site just to bitch and moan about how you choose to run it.

Once again for those late to the party and our talking out of their ass when they have no idea what this is about:


NO BODY WAS FUCKING BITCHING ABOUT STUPID TYPOS in that thread.


OK???????????

I wasnt and most of the people on this forum were NOT.  There were a few but I and others quickly told them "Hey, we got CD, who cares!" and the few who were complaining started changing their tune.


So this isn't a  CD booklet error thread.  Cause I don't care about a few typos.  WE were discussing the booklet in general. The symbols, lyrics, who wrote/played what etc etc etc

It was a positive thread. In ANY thread there will be a few come in and post something negative. That cannot be helped but I don't think its fair that 100 of us can't talk about something we bought due to a few being negative.

How about the mods do what they usually do and just delete the posts of the negative people and leave the rest of us alone to keep discussing what we are excited to finally discuss? Stop raining on our great CD experience with this bullshit.

Like society there are rules, and then there are rules. One is written, the other is for each and everyone to find out for themselves. As in society you can't always expect to come out on top just because you followed what you thought was the applicable rule. Sometimes you'll even find yourself punished for something you thought was accepted.

He made a choice for this site some time ago. I don't particularly like that choice, so I took my gn'r business elsewhere. You'll still find me rambling like a mad man in the Jungle, and me being allowed to that is part of the reason why I haven't completely abandoned this place.

If you're concerned about your freedoms and rights I suggest you go take a look at what your Government is doing instead.   

He's new around here.

Oh, in that regard he can consider it a harsh first lesson.  :hihi:

Yeah, it's hilarious when we get all these Che Guevara's around here looking to start an inter-revolution.

Thats a cool thing about fansites. It's not commodified to fit for everyone.

The individual itself sets the standard, tho I hope Jarmo reconcider the deletions. Is it being deleted out of spite? :hihi:


Well stay, I love the rambling!

Two things. Stars don't mean shit so check the joining date. Second, I'm very well aware of how fucked especially America is when it comes to civil liberties (western world following suit pretty closely though).

To have similar shit happening on a board run by a fellow Finn is something I have hard time wrapping my head around. HTGTH has yet to declare its own Patriot Act, I hope. And new or not, for me this was the first occurrence of this type of crap being pulled without explanation, where the actual disrespect comes into play. I have no problems with very strict policies as they're clearly spelled out or at least somewhat justified afterwards. But disrespecting posters at will? Maybe I just don't want to believe that's the case here and that's why I wanna pursue the issue.

It's so fucking hilarious to have that integrity and expect it from others.

No one is questioning your join date, but you posted like 6 times before all the CD news came out?

You missed the memo, dude.  Arguing isn't going to get you anywhere, ya think no one else has done it before you?  :hihi:

Enjoy the album and don't let a silly thread about typos get your blood pressure up, life is more important than that.

While it may appear so, I'm not taking this that serious myself (it's just a message board afterall). But I believe this is a serious issue to debate. Hence the interest. And as this isn't a message board for truly important issues anyway ("what's you favorite song?") it's not hard to see why I would be more interested in a topic that actually has some profound implications.

And while I probably didn't post anything for the past year before CD release surely six posts is a little off...

Oh, and I am enjoying the album. Have no fear.  :)

aye! :D


aye!(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Gaara.jpg)
 another naruto fan? ;D

why
goodbye
I
eyes
wise
try
love
incide
deny

the symbol looks slightly different than "愛" tho.
what?

anyhoo, beautiful artworks!

(edit to add the Gaara image)

Lets put this into perspective. We had the first book from a band member who actually lived through the times (Slash).
but yet you created a 9 page thread about the errors in it. I'd say that makes you look pretty bad, and biased.

^

Can't believe u went there! :o :o

I wasn't the only one to notice.

slash isn't in Guns N' Roses, fuck him. : ok:

Oh?


OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I think that is really messed up logic. Yeah, everyone's excited to have the album, and listen to it, and talk about it, and of course read the booklet as well. It doesn't mean that if you want to talk about the booklet, it's automatically the only thing you find relevant. But it is one subject among many, and one part of the entire experience. This being a GNR forum, of course every little detail of the album is going to be discussed - hell, that's one of the reasons people come here, because they can get in-depth information about GNR & CD that probably wouldn't be discussed at some random music site. In my opinion, that is the whole point; that you can find several, several topics about a multitude of different subjects. Even if some are less vital than others.

Anyway, in short: fuck censorship. That is a weak way of handling things.

the booklet is great.  artwork is awesome.   i haven't even seen any errors and GnR has never released so much detail in a booklet, thats why i find the bitching to be a bit silly.

The booklet is great, fuck anyone who can be negative at a time like this.

Well, sir, you are either blind or in denial. I too love the detail in credits etc. but the errors in the lyrics section are not a matter of opinion.


I don't think there was any negativity to begin with. Just neutral discussion. Negativity spawned with the deletion of the thread. And justly so.

well i guess i didn't read every lyric, cuz I was too busy enjoying the songs.  ;)   I could give two shits if something was misspelled or whatever.

I posted the 2nd thread about the booklet. I had no idea it was such a touchy subject.

I was just looking to stir up some conversation, not stir up negativity. I sat and read everything the day I got it..... lyrics, thank you's, and who played what on a particular song.

I thought it'd be interesting to talk about, but apparently we arent aloud to talk about that here....who knew?

The thread title says it all, its just a simple question. No need for people to sneer, swear or get all self righteous and act snidey.

You act like this is The Pentagon, and not a fan forum for a popular music act.

It's just a simple thread pointing out CLEAR errors in the booklet. Why shouldn't we be
able to discuss it? I notice there has been NO justfication for the deletion of the thread,
except to say...it happens, just get over it, Having CD in our hands is more important.

Basically it means..... What I Think is an important subject
to discuss IS important, and What you think is important isn't.

I agree, it's a sad state of affairs and it is quite baffling.  Curious fans seem to be looked on as some sort of usurper's.

Stepping back and looking at the picture as a whole, it speaks volumes, and it is very off-putting.


In the words of Danny Glover,  "I'm too old for this shit"

For the record, once again, that thread wasn't a thread about the typos.

It never started that way and didn't really ever get to that point either. U had a few people bring them up but it didn't dominate the thread nor was it even a part of it.

yeah...  I'm a fan of Uchiha Sasuke   ;D

The Japanese kanji characters have their origins in the Chinese ones, so I thought I'd and try to use my Japanese-to-English dictionary to translate the symbols for Scraped, just for fun. 

I think the the first symbol is for vocal, followed by katana, so I translate this as........

TONGUE SWORD!

And we're not talking about giving head anymore, that was resolved in the TWAT thread, so I take it to mean something like 'The voice is mightier than the sword'.   Axl's voice  :)

imo, sasuke is a guitarist type. aaand, don't you think naruto is a bit like axl? :P

Wow. On the surface this seems like a GnR site. Then I enter the message board and it is nothing but a pro-Axl propaganda machine. Anything that even sounds like it may be against Axl is deleted, yet Slash is bashed non-stop. If VR would have released an album booklet with so many errors Jim Bob and Jarmo would have every flaw listed for all to see. Now that Axl has actually released something we are not to talk about anything negative? No talking about errors in the booklet? No talking about the fact that Axl has done nothing in the public eye to let people know GnR is back? C'mon, Axl is a musical genius for sure, but he is not perfect.

Here is something you wrote in the thread about Slash's book errors: "Assuming Axl writes a book one day, why do you automatically assume that he'd put his name on a book without any fact checking?" (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49802.60)

Well, he sure put the GnR name on a booklet and seemingly did so without a fact checker. Fact: lyrics in the CD book are wrong. We should just shut up and enjoy the music right? But if Slash is involved by all means feel free to point out any and all flaws?.

You dedicate an entire thread to errors in Slash's book, but we cannot talk about the fact that Axl's team could not get the correct lyrics? This whole CD promo has been pathetic. If the music did not kick such major ass I'd be pissed....

don'ty realise that GNR is the chinese democratic one. or go some anti chinese democracy site :beer:

 : ok:

The irony of it all is...

Rock vs. Censorship
"Chinese Democracy" vs. Freedom of speech
Rebellion vs. Conformity
Individualism vs. Corporatism

HTGTH is now a perversion of the values GNR & rock in general represent at their core.

A quote from The Dark Knight fits here IMO:

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Perhaps the wait for CD was too long for HTGTH to handle afterall...



It's not that obvious. The admins of the board are not straight up with what this board actually is and what it represents. The board is presented as an independent GNR forum, but in reality it's an viral extension of corporate marketing. This of course brings a myriad of problems when people entering the site have no idea of the bait-and-switch scheme pulled on them and act like we have freedom of speech and other liberties we're custom to on internet.

No amount of "funny" smileys is gonna change that. This issue will be the eventual downfall of HTGTH when people realize the truth and migrate to independent forums for free and unrestricted discussion on the topics they wish to discuss. FFS, I'm a pure Axl supporter, but I just registered at another GNR board as this here is unacceptable to me. A single act of censorship is too much in a free world! And a free world is where I want to live in. Online and IRL.

Slash hasn't been in the band for over 12 years.   You don't have to be a fan of his to be a GnR fan these days.   

And thank god he isn't!     CD is lightyears ahead of any VR album, I don't want Axl collaborating with inferior musicans.

Point is, you are coming to a GnR site, so yea people don't care to see you bashing the members we are here to support.

Not me.  I wouldn't even have the album to know where the fuckups are in the liner notes.


There may be a few typos here and there, but its not the doom and gloom you are making it out to be or that I've seen posted elsewhere.

So u have never owned a VR album but u can come on here and say something is better than something u have never owned?

Interesting.


I think the Ferrari drives better than the Porsche.......... I've never drove either one but fuck it, I'll just say it anyway!

no no no, your right. I have both and i prefer the Ferrari by a long shot.

Not really.


What you might wanna point out is that perhaps this is one of the few fan sites that are aimed at people who love and support the band.

Not the ones who have to find errors and shit in everything.




/jarmo

But you started a thread dedicated to Slash's book and its errors!! SO basically, it is okay to point out errors about ex-members, but we should not talk about the fact that CD has a booklet that has errors? C'mon, you have to see the double standard!

I guess I need to explain the obvious.

The "book" was put out to "set the record straight".


Meaning, it was supposed to get the facts out there. Well, it failed!


The booklet, was put out to accompany the MUSIC some of you claimed to have been waiting for since the beginning of time.


So, if you get that, you will see that the cases only seem similar but differ in many ways.


 :-*



/jarmo

Are you insured?

Yes. Want to ride to the metallica show in style with me?

By Survival?

No

I can't take that ride.

Live with it.

I agree with you that Slash's book is trash, no doubt. But, shouldn't you allow people to think about it for themselves rather than shoving your opinion down their throats? Also, it is a double standard that you keep getting rid of threads about the booklet. What's the big deal? I think the booklet is great no matter what. Lighten up a little, man!

i bougth contrashit when it first came out and decided never to support that band again.   i heard liberturd and was very very very unimpressed.

Your sig says "Fuck the Critics and the Haters!"

Oh the irony...


US couldn't be in the state it is today if it wasn't for critically thinking voters like you!  : ok:

Neither could HTGTH for that matter. Keep up the good posting bro!

HTGTH isn't the United States of America, in case you haven't noticed.

Jarmo is the king, the emperor, the big poobah.  He can do whatever the fuck he wants. 

You don't go into someone's house and tell them what to do now, do you? 

So when you visit someones house or say, a public bar, you can only discuss what topics that they decide you can? Wow, that place sounds like a riot, can I come back every night  :P

And that argument is a non-starter, noone is telling him to do anything, just asking why are all references and discussions about the errors contained in the booklet being deleted?

Its hardly the most contraversial and edgy of subject matters.

Answers have been given, yet people still won't drop the subject.

Link please  : ok:

In this thread.

And yet you do...

I tried to delete my account, but found I cant.

Can you do it now please?

Oh, silly fool. You don't need to have your account deleted in order to stop coming here. Just, stop coming here.  :)

lol, I love it when people try to delete their accounts in protest :rofl:

Booklet is now a hush-hush word on this board.

Indeed. I think that by itself creates more negativity than some people criticizing the booklet ever could, but that's just my opinion.