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I don't even know if it was still Axl's intention to make an album that "buries Appetite", like he once said (and yes, I know what he meant by it). What I am trying to ask with this thread is if Chinese Democracy will have enough of an impact on the general public for the demand for old Guns songs at concerts etc. to be less? Meaning, Chinese Democracy will prevent fans from defining Guns N' Roses by that record, and Axl once said, he doesn't want to live his whole life (or career) through that one record.  I think the new album has accomplished this, Chinese Democracy stands so beautifully on its own, I seriously think it is the best Guns N' Roses album ever. :peace:

Wow...That's a bold statement Shackler. Here's something I never say... I agree. Chinese Democracy is the most emotional piece of art I have ever witnessed in any medium.

I don't think it will. Now I'm sure that CD is a great album - I've not heard it yet, hopefully tomorrow! :peace: - but I think that AFD will always be considered "the" Guns N' Roses album. There's probably too many people who don't think it's the 'real' GNR and it's just a bunch of session musicians or whatever. CD may prove to be very popular and get good reviews etc. but I don't think it'll "bury" AFD. All the classic rock bands have what is considered to be their defining album - the ones that casual fans know, the ones that have sold the most copies etc. - and I doubt any of them, not just GNR, will change people's opinions now. It's like AC/DC will never make an album considered better than Back In Black or The Rolling Stones will put out something people will choose over Exile On Main St.

Too many people will be put off by the hype and delays, lack of Slash, different sound etc. for CD to rise above AFD.

IMO ;)

i hope so for Axls sake. if CD exceeds AFD then i think that'll give Axl an extra nudge to put out more of this work that took 17 years

:peace:

Why would 'Appetite' ever need to be buried? Unless, you think it sucked for some reason.

Read the actual post before you comment.

Thanks.

The only 'burying' that matters, is Axl/Slash et al burying the hatchet...Axl will never be able to get out from under AFD, nor do I think he wants to - as far as live performances.   Look at VR - had to keep doing AFD songs because that is what the audience wanted.  While I don't want to hear an AFD only (or even heavy) concert - I would personally feel somewhat cheated if I went to a concert and didn't hear PC...I would like to hear waaaayyy more new stuff than he did in '06.

Nothing will ever bury Appetite.

I did. Nothing ever needs to be buried to be able to move on. Great music will live on and nothing needs to step aside or be buried.

It's silly to think 'Appetite' should ever be buried. And whether or not Chinese Democracy exceeds any previous Guns N' Roses album, we should hope that will not have any bearing on Axl releasing or not releasing any more music in the future.

CD will not bury Appetite by any means. I think CD will stand on its own and there are some good songs on it but it is missing that "IT" factor that AFD has. There will be fans that will prefer it to any other GNR album, but for the masses AFD is the Holy Grail.

My girlfriend got into GNR a few years back because of me and she LOVES AFD. It gets to the point that she always wants to listen to it and I 'm like... ok lets listen to something else already. When she first heard AFD in its entirety she was blown away, and she is not even a huge rock fan, she listens to everything. She was like WOW this album is fucking amazing... I was like yeah thats what I said too!

I bought CD and yesterday we were listening to it together and I figured that she would be really into it because there are a lot of ballads and piano music, but she said she was very disappointed. She said it had some good songs but not what she expected from GNR. She said there is nothing that jumps out at her like WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Brownstone, Nightrain, etc.  I feel the same way... the songs are good but nothing blows me away like damn this shit is fucking amazing! The album probably blows whatever is out there right now simply because Axl's voice will always be amazing. I mean Axl can sing over pots and pans and it probably sounds great.

I think a lot of people will feel this way. Remember when you like a band you have certain expectations. If Metallica or Pantera came out and started playing Piano music you would be like... What the Fuck? GNR has played piano music and ballads before, but there are just too many on this album in my opinion making the album a little sappy when you are probably expecting to rock out when you listen to GNR. I think casual fans will be thrown off by this because they have not been listening to leaks for the past 5 years or however long so they do not know what kind of album it is, especially those who do not even know Slash is not in GNR any more.

CD is great but not even in the same ballpark as AFD.

Well Appetite for Destruction will always be the best Guns record because it was the first and it is the best seller of them all. This record was just raw, they went into the studio and recorded it the way guns wanted it. I think CD is a good cd, and I think axl really demonstrates how much of a good songwriter he is, but the albums are totally different, and as much as I like Chinese Democracy, nothing ever will compare to Appetite, even if the original lineup came back and made an album, but all in all i think CD will sell around 2 million in the us and 3 million worldwide

best GNR album ever?? no chance!!! CD is a solid rock record for this time, but compared to AFD and UYI 1/2 it's pretty piss poor!

The band that made uyi and appetite for destruction is a completely different band than the one that made chinese democracy, so I choose not to compare the two...

Depends on how you look at it.

In terms of sales - not a chance in hell, IMO.

But if you're looking at the complexity of the music and the intelligence with which it was written, I can easily see Axl as an artist feeling as though CD is his masterpiece.

agreed Lord Kayoss but you never know about the sales in 20 yrs time....

I can't find axl saying he wants cd to bury Appetite. wasn't it live era?

it seems to me cd contains afd inside rather than buries it,


pretty piss poor from what aspect? please explain.

The only time I remember Axl saying he wanted to bury Appetite was during the Illusion sessions.

If he said it about CD, I must've missed it.

thanks I know shackler didn't say he did about cd but I asked because I had seen 'cd to bury afd' thing on fan boards.
Anyone / any band tries to surpass themselves. that's healthy.

Simply put: nope. AFD made a profound impact on the psyche of an entire generation... CD will always be seen as the record that took too long.

And I'd move to question your use of the term 'prevent' and suggestions of decreased desire for old material... CD wasn't intended as a memory block as far as I'm aware ;)

I love both AFD and CD!...AFD and UYI were a big part of my life back in the 80's and now CD.  So I dont think AFD will be bury, never.

I don't think CD will bury Appetite. CD is an excellent album for the time is was released. It is a very mature cd in regards to Axls age as a older (not too old :) ) mans view. Appetite is a whole different story. I'd like to elaborate on Appetite but since this isn't a thread about Appetite I can't. :smoking:

times are different now.  appetite took the world by storm back then....it's been over 20 years since the release.  i feel like the lack of promo and the absence of a tour will inevitebly hurt this record

No, AFD is a record from a different time.  Pre-download, pre burning and pre iPod.  CD will never bury AFD, but today, very few new albums will.