Here Today... Gone To Hell!

remember them being against touring with the New Guns.  I respect their appreciation for the Classic Lineup but I wonder what they'll think after hearing the final score?

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1599875/20081120/hinder.jhtml

Hinder Say Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy Sounds 'Too Artsy' And 'Overproduced'
The rockers who call GN'R one of their biggest influences think the new LP is 'missing something.'
By Chris Harris, with additional reporting by Daniel Montalto


What made the original Guns N' Roses so intriguing was how dangerous they truly were. At the height of their career, they were a force to be reckoned with ? an unruly gang of wild-eyed kids from the seedy streets of L.A., who churned out gritty rock and roll and always partied as if it were their last night on Earth. They lived for the moment, abused all manner of substances and had more than their fare share of the ladies.

Of course, Guns N' Roses existed during a completely different time, long before grunge got us depressed and emo made us nearly suicidal. Today, there's just aren't many bands who've even come close to matching the level of debauchery achieved by Axl, Izzy, Duff, Slash and Adler back in their heyday. But Hinder are trying their darnedest.


On Wednesday, less than a week before the November 23 release of GN'R's long-awaited Chinese Democracy, we reached out to the hardest-living rockers we know to gauge their thoughts on the new LP one of their biggest influences.

"The original Guns N' Roses inspired us ? not Axl Rose being an a--hole," drummer Cody Hanson clarified.

(Read Eagles of Death Metal frontman Jesse "The Devil" Hughes' take on Chinese Democracy here.)

"We've heard some of the earlier stuff that's leaked, and the single, and I was just kind of like, 'Eh,' " frontman Austin Winkler said. "Axl's voice sounds great, but that was never a problem. It was him going onstage and working with those other guys that was the problem. I think somewhere Axl's got all these other different guitar players he's tried to work with and he was just whipping them, going, 'More like Slash! More like Slash!' That's what I'm picturing in my mind."

After hearing the first leaks from the record, Hanson said he knew it wasn't going to live up to the hype.

"I heard the stuff that was leaked, and I know the mixes weren't there, but, being musicians, you can hear through that stuff ? you still hear the songs, and to be honest, the songs just aren't there," he said. "It almost sounds too artsy; there's something about it. It's not what it was. It's just missing something, and it sounds overproduced. ... I guess that's what happens whenever you've got 20 years to sit in the studio."

Hanson admitted he was surprised to discover a release date had finally been set for Democracy, but he was still excited for Axl's return.

"It is great to hear that voice on the radio again," he said. "Without the band, though, to me, it's not really Guns N' Roses. It was all about that energy that that group of guys had together, and without that, I don't know, man. It's kind of pointless and a wasted effort. Axl was never GN'R by himself. Look at the other guys ? they've moved on, and Slash is still one of the biggest icons in rock and roll. So, GN'R definitely wasn't just Axl."

According to Winkler, Hinder were approached to open for Guns on a recent tour, but they decided to turn down the offer. "We knew what would happen," he said. "Axl wouldn't go on stage if he didn't have his lamb or something. We didn't do it, and it turned out way better for us."

Looking back on Rose's numerous tour cancellations and hasty moves to boot bands from the bill, which , Hanson said they decided against the tour for the sake of their fans.

"Our fans are extremely important to us, and if we had to cancel a bunch of dates and leave them hanging, we would have been pretty pissed off," Hanson said. "So, we decided it was not in our best interest to do the tour."

Hinder who?

v. ..

Too artsy?   I bet they think Picasso is too artsy too  :hihi:

Can that be the end of their 15 minutes?  

Oh wait, that was over 7 minutes ago.

Axl cant think they are that bad then if he approached them to support.

Too artsy? I guess it would be for people who sing about fucking while stoned and stippers or whatever it is band's who wish it was still 1988 sing about...

Also, on one hand he says that Axl is trying to get his guitar players to sound like Slash, but on the other hand he is saying it's too artsy? So which is it, does it sound like Slash or "artsy? And another thing, he doesn't want to tour with GN'R becuase he doesn't want to leave his fans hanging should Axl cancel? Well, I am sure the two people who came just to see Hinder would be just fine.  :D

I can honestly said I have never heard of Hinder. Haven't heard a single thing by them, so why are they talking?

I've honestly never heard of them either. Maybe if they had toured w/ GNR more people would be familiar with them.

Good point. I've heard of them only because I live in the south where they play shit like Hinder all the time on the radio. If you sing about fucking while stoned and strippers like it was 1987 all over again, southern rock stations are all over it...And the singer from Hinder I mainly know of because he was busted not too far from my house on a DUI a while back. let's hope he wasn't on his way to a Hinder show. His fans would have been "left hanging".

"Too artsy"--sounds like a good thing to me.

cocksuckers, their opinion of the CD i couldn't care less about, even their opinion of the current band i don't care about


but keep bullshitting about the lambthing, calling axl an asshole when they don't know him (axl might be an ass to some but they deserve it u know) getting publicity spreading shit is gay, thinking axl want guitarplayers to sound like slash, stupid, he coulda called slash anytime but motherfucker has integrity and the worst of all, making a song my ex likes called lips of an angel FUCK THEMMMMM!!

(kinda joking, kinda serious about the ex liking songthingie :hihi:)

While i dont agree with Hinder on this.


The comments above are just fucking annoying.

So basically, a band cannot sing about anything feelgood or positive. Because they think its 1987?

News for you, people still go to strip clubs, people still party, and most people (that are still young) have sex!!!

Whats a band supposed to do.

They sing about depressing stuff n they are emo.

They sing about mystic cheese, n they suck to be frank.

They sing about feelgood stuff they are living in the 80s apparently?

fucking bullshit.

I think the worst part about this whole this is that "Hinder" publicly announced that GNR were an influence on them...

I'm pretty upset as a GNR fan as this can tarnish their reputation on who they influence in the future...

Funny, I could have sworn you just told someone in the VR section to take a chill pill... Ok, first, take a deep breath and read my post again. You kind of missed the whole point.

And oh, take a chill pill.

Why should every artist have to sing about painful life experiences. I like a mix of both.

But i guess, bands didnt sing about stuff like that in the 60s or 70s?

Come on.

I honestly have no idea what you are on about here...I truly don't.

You have a good one.

Or maybe cause you failed.

YOu reserve the right to criticize when you have amassed an ounce of respect from the music community. WTF is Hinder?? Some modern-Wannabe Metal band. They look all tough... and write half-assed power chord music.

I can wipe my ass with this fucker's opinion.

Also, Axl will be 47 years old in February.  These 20 something year olds are talking like Axl was incapable of aging.  
If you look around...when you get older...you change.  He's not going to be wearing kilts and jumping off stage anymore...he's a veteran.  
He's already made the name for himself...he doesn't need to continue to do what he used to.  He's established himself to the point where he is able to literally do what he wants when he wants...
If these 20 something year old one hit wonder bands are too jealous to understand this...that's their own problem.  It's easy to fix...make better music and make a name for yourself...and you'll get the same respect.
How many "dangerous" 47 year olds are out there in music today?  Bon Jovi and Brett Michaels went Country, James Hetfield went soft...then attempted to go hard again but it still sounds soft, Cobain is dead, Eddie Vedder has gone soft (thought still good), Chris Cornell has gone solo and soft making James Bond themes....literally anybody around the same age has changed.  You have to.  It's not 1987 anymore.  He's 47 years old...you live and you learn.  

Because he's a rockstar he's not human?  He's not able to change and mature like the rest of society??  He's still a damn good talented artist...and I'm getting older too..

While I do miss the old Rock n Roll style stories of tv's being chucked out of windows...and lead singers diving off stage attacking disrespectful idiots...and feuds going on and actual Rock N Roll happening.... I'm certainly not going to blame it on Axl Rose turning 47 soon.  These other pussy bands should look in the mirrors and instead of hope for a 47 year old Axl to come back and bring back all of these things....these kids in their 20's should take cue and do some shit themselves...

Hypocrites...nobody wants to take responsibility for their own shitty music and shitty era their a part of so they want to point the finger at somebody....and the "sexy" thing to do has been to point it at Axl...

Yeah i hate this generation, sadly im apart of it. New decade soon, hopefully things will change and improve.

Haha cheers to that bud.

Hinder = 2 Chord half-ass Nickelback-like rock. 

Hinder can claim gnr as an influence, as many bands have done. but the truth is they are the exact OPPOSITE of gnr. they have NONE of the qualities that make gnr special. they are everything that is wrong with the music industry.

my guess is that they are angered by the fact that they have very little artistic integrity, and are jealous that Axl has the freedom and the power to make the music he wants and express himself as he pleases.

If anything Hinders latest album sounds more like an AC/DC meets Motley Crue album.

In their defense.

But its loaded with too many ballads, so it sends me to sleep.

I mean old influences like Ugly Kid Joe sounded infinitely better than "Hinder" and these new GNR-influenced trash bands...

Not that I like Hinder in any way... But is ANYONE qualified to question the Chinese Democracy Final Product?

GNR influence many many bands lol. I think its unfair to generalize every modern influenced band as "trash"

Listen to Hinder's Song 'Homecoming Queen' and just you dare try and tell me it doesn't sound like Sweet Child O'Mine  ::)

Hinder vs. GN'R...

Well? It's obvious, is it not?

I know a lot of guys/gals may like what's on the radio and is considered "rock & roll"... Your Hinders, Nickelbacks, Linkin Parks, your Fall Out BOys and shit. But all these bands are just that... SHIT. ROCK has been dead to me for years... especially rock radio.

I think GN'R once again has the burden of resurrecting the spirit of rock & roll. And this bastard has the audacity to question Axl's art???

You're right it's too artsy. Beyond your reach. Hey Hinder guys... Nickelback has a new album out... go pick it up and break your necks.

Good music is good music. If people could open their minds up and just listen without bias, they'd enjoy so much more music out there. I have everything from Slipknot to Gwen Stefani to Pyotr Tchaikovsky to Eminem on my iTunes. GUNS N ROSES, however, is up there on the top 10.

dont need to worry about this nobody... who the hell is he?

Sure, there are a bunch.

But Hinder isn't one of them.

That's like New Kids on the Block criticizing Brian Wilson.

The thing is..those I find more reputable have all praised the album, so far.  I think they "get" what Axl was going for a little better.

For me, Hinder calling the album "too artsy" is more of an endorsement than a detraction.  :)

They call Chinese Democracy "too artsy", and yet they are all sitting there dressed up in those new clothes in a desperately contrived attempt to look like they have some kind of naturally cool image.

Hinder is allowed to say anything they fucking want about the album.  Just like anyone here can say whatever they want about the album. And many of you agree it is too artsy and over produced but may just didn't want to say it.  I have said the album is great, inspite of lacking major balls and riffs.  And like Hinder says, Axl sounds awesome, its the other shit going on at times that does not.......  Jesus, unless someone is worshiping CD, you guys have major issues.  People hated Appetite and the UYI albums too.. Guess what, nobody remembers those people.  

Who cares what Hinder has to say?  Who the hell are they anyway?  Heard a couple of snippets of their stuff and they suck.

yeah... music equals art. but i guess that is a foreign concept for those punk-ass-weasels.

instead of criticizing, they should take a lesson or two.  :beer:

They absolutely have every right to give their opinion.  And I have every right to lend credence to it, or not, based on how credible I find them.  If Mick Jagger came out and said he thought the album was shite, or Elton John did, or...hell...even Lars Ulrich did...I'd likely give them a listen.  I doubt it would change MY opinion of the album.  But I'd at least lend their perspective some credence.

Again, it's like New Kids on the Block bagging on Brian Wilson.  They can say it, but...would you take them seriously, all things considered? Hell, even if you agreed with them...I'm not sure their "endorsement" of your opinion adds anything to it's veracity/validity.

I don't find Hinder at all credible when critiquing the album.   I don't think their "resume" makes them qualified to critique it...or, rather, I don't think they're qualified enough to have their critique taken seriously by the masses.  You're perfectly within your rights to disagree with me, if you like.  They're entitled to their opinion, obviously, but.....what makes their perspective so unique that everyone should stand up and take notice?  

They can SAY whatever the fuck they want.  So can you.  So can everyone else.  But without something behind them to "back up" what they're saying..isnt' it all just noise?

I have no problems with people criticizing the album.  It's their opinion, and their entitled to it, whether I share it or not.  But, by the same token, I certainly am under no onus to internalize what they're saying, or to think it's credible....am I?

I made the same point you did, about there being bad reviews on appetite, in another thread.   That's rather the point.

Pilferk, I am just busting balls.... Ha! 

One point about Hinder is that unlike 99% of this board, they are a successful Recording act.  We may not like them, I don't, but they do what Axl does.  They make music for a living.  I don't, but would love to.  Also they are GNR fans.  I agree about your NKOTB mention, but 50% of the posters here are younger than Hinder....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtnf9EqijT0

The posted song was huge hit and girls loved it...... 

and just when I was thinking I couldnt hate Hinder anymore than I already do....they FUCKING suck!! Hinder is GENERIC RADIO POP  NICKELBACK BULLSHIT....I hate them so much....They are such fucking posers.. They are pissed that "Chinese Democracy" doesnt sound like the brain dead cliche 80's re-hashed rock that they play...have fun touring with Motley Crue , who releases the same fucking album every few years which centers around beer, heroin and tits....wow how orignal....fuck them..don't get me wrong I like Motley Crue, but they do release the same generic shit year after year, which is fine when you have been around 30 years like they have...but what's Hinder's excuse?

So does AC/DC, and I love their new Album!  The dude in Hinder does play some tasty solos for a radio band and he has nice tone!

i can in a way see the overproduced part in some songs...

I just think they're idiots overall though

who cares what Hinder thinks?

maybe i'll take them a little more seriously when they're not opening for motley crue?  :rofl:

Mobenrad,

There's nothing out there anymore...everybody is making music these days for the big paycheck...nobody puts their heart into it anymore.  Hell, Linkin Park is a manufactured band...put together by a record company.  When was the last time you heard about a band playing a show and partying their asses off afterwards where a band member was arrested and there were actual stories to tell???  Now you have your Coldplays who play on stage and then literally go to sleep after their show.  You have these "new" rock stars collaberating with "rappers" (rap is dead by the way, its not rap anymore) all because they want to become business moguls too...i.e. Fallout Boy.  While some songs may have a catchy riff...the heart is just not put into it.  It has nothing to do with "bias" or not giving something a chance.  It's literally because it's bad.  

Nobody cares about what they sound like anymore as long as it sells and makes them more money.  "Prostituting" themselves perhaps.  You see a similar fate in the movie industry...where almost everything out there year after year now has been a sequel or a remake of something of the past...  Nobody has any original ideas anymore...  

Whatever is catchy and whatever the media tells us to buy is what these new kids are buying these days...there's no excitement anymore...just boredom...

"What the world needs now...is Axl Rose"

I see what you're getting at, but there are plenty of artists in all genres putting their heart and soul into music these days.

You just won't see them on MTV or hear them on Clear-Channel radio stations.

in other words... chinese democracy is too complex for hinder to comprehend

seriously... this asshole needs to get cancer.  who the fuck does this guy think he is?  i would happily get in the ring with him and show him something that's not artsy.  but he's probably too big of a pussy.

who listens to hindeR?  nobody!  by that i mean, not me or any of my friends.  so this guy can eat a dick.

ARTSY?  what does he expect rock n' roll to be?  it's all about being artsy... from freddie mercuruy to rush to meatloaf to elton john's later stuff... i can just imagine axl laughing his ass off at this clown... okay, cd is too artsy.  i guess frank lloyd wright should have just build mcdonalds.  i guess lenoardo divinci should have painted see rock city barns.  i really hate this asshole so much.  i wish there was just a constructive way to show that hate.  beyond writing on the message board.

You aint much of a Crue fan then are you. Idiot.

How many albums have you heard, two?

Crue dont release the same album. You telling me Shout At The Devil sounds like Dr Feelgood? Are you telling me Dr Feelgood sounds like the self titled album? Are you telling me any of that sounds like Generation Swine? Are you telling me Generation Swine sounds like SOTA.

Frankly, you are a fan of Avenged Sevenfold. You talk about generic, thats the band to check out if you want generic.

AC/DC release the same album, and they are doing just fine.

It's really great that Hinder saw an opporunity to get some press by commenting on Chinese Democracy.   ;)

*locked* as this has just turned into "I'm a bigger Motley Crue fan that you"..........

If ya'll want to continue talking about much Hinder, Nickelback, Motley Crue or any other band suck feel free to start a thread in the Jungle