Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Maybe already too early to start a thread like this as CD is just released..but I was wondering:
"Where do we go...Where do we go now!?"

1. Is CD a new beginning? A new era for Guns N' Roses (new bandmembers, upcomming hits and video's...., new 'sound'/'style',..)
2. Is CD just a 'phase'? (after this, go back to the roots and old bandmembers? very unlikely in my opinion)
3. would it be a closure? Imagine, they have released CD and nothing happens anymore: The end of Guns?

What do you think?
"Where do we go now!?"
 
:peace:

just enjoy the record for a while!!

all valid questions but you have a new cd to enjoy for now with no doubt a future tour to look forward
remember Chinese democracy is now who knows what the future holds
enjoy

Great question. As much as I love this album, I just cant see GNR being in the limelight the way the once were.

It will be interesting to see what develops on the back of this record actually being released....

If you aren't interested in answering the question, why bother posting in reply?

I hope its not the end, so much more to give but in saying that...

If it is the end, its the best ending ever.

The wait for (and endless message board speculation over) Chinese Democracy Vols.II+III starts now!

But Axl if reading is this, don't expect anyone to be as patient as they have been for this one. An album a year, please.

LOL

Indeed, if another album is comming...please a bit sooner!
 :hihi:

we go to the recordstores when it's released



oh dear god!

I would imagine that as long as Chi-Dem sells okay and the tour does alright that option 1 is the most likely.

If those things don't happen for whatever reason, I suppose option 2 is somewhat of a possibility, especially given that VR have also done their dash it seems.

I don't think option 3 is ever really going to happen though. No matter what, there will always be some sort of action/activity/rumours surrounding the GnR name.


Whatever the case, it will be interesting to see, especially given the fact there is apparently so much other material recorded by the new GnR.

its not even in the fucking shops in half of the world and people are saying what next for fucks sake!

"some people are never happy"

Im glad the album is finally here

just sit back over christmas and the new year listening to some awsome gnr tunes and fucking celebrate.

I DON'T CARE.

Whatever happens after this.....it doesn't matter.  CD is here and it's about damn time.

Enjoy it.

What? So the wait for the next album hasn't started yet?    :hihi:

i never said that  : ok:

where do we go now?!


TO THE PUB!!!!  :peace:

Well, yeah... But that's the answer to everything.  :D

I think this is a new beginning for GNR. I don't think the impact or vibe of the late 80's and early 90's will ever be recaptured. That was a unique experience because they were a different type of band. A bunch of drunken misfits with amazing talent that shook up the music world. I believe CD will have sales through the roof and will have another successful tour. I also think that Axl will release another couple of albums over the next couple of years. Maybe he'll try something different again. Personally I would love to hear the guys do another acoustic album like those on Lies

I firmly believe (shoot me if I'm wrong) that this won't be so strong to the public eyes like the band was in the 80's and 90's. Most fans of this record will probably Guns fans and other strong music fans - basically what I mena by that is that any joe schmoe won't be interested or even hear of this landmark album.

I'd like to be proved wrong though.

It's a new beginning. I'll be right here waiting for the next album... I mean, where else would I go?  ::)

But now I'm going to enjoy CD and not worry about the future. I can't get enough of this album, so it's not time to even discuss the next one yet!  :beer:

They probably have rough material enough for another album.  The problem is, after striving for perfection all these years, does anyone expect Axl to shoot for anything less with the next one?  And does anyone expect the label to give him any slack at all?  I'm hopeful if the album/tour does very well, but realistically I don't see this as the start of a new era. 

This question is one that is constantly crossing my mind. I think the album will sell well, but I do not think it is going to be some earth shattering figure that some people anticipate just because the album took 17 years.

I think that Axl will need to do press and interviews otherwise once the album is released the buzz will start fading fast without the proper promotion. This is Axl's BABY so guess what Axl needs to get his ass out there and promote it. If he takes the I don't give a shit approach and I do what I want and not promote the album, it will never hit its full potential. If that happens then it will be hailed as a failure by critics because it did not do well commercially, and as we all know what matters the most is the bottom line. Think about it... if CD sells poorly that opens the door to saying the album sucked, Axl wasted his time, fucked up the GNR name by getting rid of the original band, etc.

If CD sales and the tour are a success I think Axl will finish the rest of the materail we have heard about and release those albums within a couple of years and tour those with this version of GNR.

However, I do think that there will be some type of reunion that will go down because I do not think that even CD will bury that desire for GNR fans.

What happens now Chinese Democracy has been released?

I live in the UK and have recently purchased my copy. I've been looking forward to this day for a long time and was underwhelmed by the lack of enthusiasm for it's release. I went around all the record shops in Glasgow this morning to find the best price and see how the shops had set up for the release. It was just like any other album, no fan fare at all. One major shop was playing 'If The World' and offering a half price GN'R t-shirt if you bought the album and in another major shop it took me 5 minutes to find the album and they didn't even have it in the GN'R section!

I haven't really noticed the promotion too much here. Yes, there have been adverts in the National Press but that's about it. I haven't heard 'Chinese Democracy' on the radio and there is no video to accompany the title track. There has been the UK website and competition but I don't think many casual fans would have visited it.

I love the new band in its own right, went to see the guys twice in June 2006 and think some of the new songs are really great. I understand everything that happens will be down to Axl and how he calls it.

What do you guys think will happen in the short term and long term of the band?

Short Term

Can we expect a tour in support of the album? ( The band haven't played a show together for 16 months)

Who is officially in or out of GN' R? ( The album credits don't really give much insight)

Can we expect a video/videos?

Long Term

Can we expect more material to be released from the band?

Will the 87-93 Era band get back together?

My Views

I'd like to hope there is a tour as i'd love to see the guys again, this may prove difficult as i'm not really sure where Finck stands This poses another set of questions. Will Finck return for a third time? Will a former member return for a second time (Buckethead/Tobias)? Will a new member be added like when Ron was drafted? Will they stick with two guitarists?


If i didn't follow the band i'd be under the impression Paul Tobias and Buckethead were in the band from the Thank You's and i'm still unclear who the drummer is.


Again i'd like there to be a video, but expected one before the albums release.


According to Bach there are three albums. I'm glad we've got this one and would be happy to hear more though i'm content with what we've got for now.


I personally think that when the Chinese Democracy Era ends the 87-93 Era will do something together, probably not a new set of songs but a tour. Izzy and Axl seem friendly with each other, Slash doesn't seem to hold any deep grudges according to his book and Matt/Duff would probably go a along with it as they stayed with Axl the longest out of the old guys. I don't see Adler or Gilby being involved. Dizzy would probably be there. If there was to be new material I'd love it to be a Axl/Izzy collaboration as Believe they were the best songwriters in the original GN'R. What then for the new guys? Finck would probably go back to/stay with Trent. The other guys would probably go back to being session musicians/producers/solo projects of there own.


Thanks for reading, Please share you're views/opinions on the next move for GN'R





 

There will be a tour, but noe one knows when. Videos? Who knows... They aren't really necessary anymore, I think.  I am sure we will also see more releases, probably sooner rather than later. Which I think will also have to answer the qouestion whether the old band will get back together. See, this isn't something Axl just had to get out of his system and now that it's out, he'll go back to Slash and Duff and be all buddy-buddy. But that's for another Dead Horse discussion...

well, the thing is:

from axl?s mouth: "there?s songs that the old guns fans won?t understand" ... so, that brings me to think that CD is the closiest thing we?ll get from the old band and what they were, personally and musicaly speaking.

where?s de angry with a song about a drink? about drugs? the raw rock n roll ... well, is here, but with diferent point of view and with a diferent time, now is almost 2009.

RS, ZEPPELIN, SABBATH... tell me if any of these bands, today, if they decided to release something new, if you see the "beatlemania" again with them... Answer: NO.

diferent times.
diferent people.

GNR are back, and even if axl and GNR are considered "big names" by the whole music industry and music listeners, they will need to prove once again that a banda called GNR is there, releasing songs, playing live, making videos and don?t put his fans in aquard situation where you can?t even say who?s in the band, if the band will do a tour or what?s happening because 3 months did pass and we don?t get a word by axl or his camp.
THAT will make us shit our pants, remembering all the silence years we?ve been thru waiting for a next release or for the next big GNR news... and then... well, you know what happened.


bring the rock!
 :beer:

A French newspaper announced a show in Paris in june 2009... Don't know where they got the info, but... I'll be there!

I really hope they would release CD and announce the follow ups that are allegedly already recorded at the same time.  :drool:

I am overwhelmed too OP, but I think that its because people genuinely dont care, and another album is just another album....GNR or not....I would think that there would be more positive vibes if the band were on tour at the moment...or had recently announced plans to come here....as it stands I think people are just more focused on Christmas and getting through the holidays

I have heard the song on BBC Radio One in the UK, but its slipping down the charts, and only a physical single release will save it....Downloads only with no video or physical release was never going to get it to the Top 20. I mean that is the worst single release I have ever seen, especially for GNR

The closest it has gotten so far is 27 and I cant see it changing now its 37

Madagascar or Better as a physical single could reach No 1, if they took the time to market it right, and create a video


Could I get a source of this quote please?

(at the bottom right)

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3176/articleparisiench6.jpg)

Bercy 2009 ISN'T confirmed though. They are just reporting what they "heard"...

Cheers

Off the top of my head: Is that not the photo of Axl that's used in Chinese Democracy's insert booklet?

I want to see Axl take over the world again, but it is 2008 and not 1992. The music business is much different now. I hope we see more promotion from the band themselves. I will say that Ron has been making the rounds and is the most accessible of all the members. An appearance on Leno or Letterman would be a good move IMO. A video or a live DVD would be good too. I don't think you can just drop CD and let it do all the work since with no promotion other than the hype around it won't be enough for it to go multi platnum.

Expectations are extremely high. My biggest concern- if CD does no do really well, where does Axl go from here? This is his big shot, it is right now.

well once a album drop they have to tour to support that album play songs from it and guns n' roses had 2 tours in china for this year but that got pulled and let hope they tour in 2009 and after there done touring they might take a rest or go back in the studio and do more recording for the next album

The official website isn't changed after the release of CD, so it seems no movement at all at the GN'R camp?
C'mon, CD is the most anticipated album EVER: where are the interviews? Vido clip announcements?... I do not understand this.
I think we're going nowhere...we have CD and maybe that's it for good... thank god the album is good.

Off the top of my big toe: Yes

You'd like to be shot?  :hihi:

Anyway, the fact that we have no idea what's going to happen now is one of the things that make CD's release exciting... Will they tour? Will the tour be another 2002 debacle? Will it be the opposite? Will they replace Robin? Will they re-do all the other songs they've left out of CD a thousand times with the Robin-fill in? Someone else will go? Will there be videos? Will Axl say anything, or remain silent...?, etc.

Personally, all I want is the name of the next album so we can start all the idle speculation once again. "(Name to be announced) STARTS NOW!!!" :peace:

of course it has. Im tapping my fingers impatiently already!

ah, to hell with french. Im around it all day and night, and I have no clue what's happening!
learn to speak dutch you fuckers! (this is only aimed for the ones in Belgium :D )

Why are there still people wondering if the 87-94 band will get back together? Shit, if this album doesn't prove the current version of GNR to you, nothing ever will. Give it up.

Actually, it'd fun to have a guest shot by Izzy on whatever album comes in the future, but I really like the new band. Long live the new GNR!

Where do we go now, indeed. 8)

For those of us who have been part of this online community since it's mere beginning, over at gnronline.com ("MAKE HASTE", anyone? :hihi:), this has been a trip that has indeed seemed like forever and a day, as Axl so elequently put it. Every day on these forums since then has been revolving around the future release of this album, and now that it's finally here, it is certainly something of a nostalgic moment for us. "Where do we go now?"

Well, I think this is only the beginning of something that few of us have dared to even hope for. The new band will get the respect and recognition they finally deserve, there will be tours, new albums just as good as this one, and more. As one CD advert put it, the future is ours! :smoking:

We deserve this, my fellow gunners, we really do, and trust me, the 2008 version of Guns N' Roses, the best one to date, are here to stay! :smoking:

To GN'R! :beer:

some people spend to much time on the computer i think :hihi:

what do ya mean 'where do we go now'???  maybe.... get the fuck on with ya life n' enjoy what we have.....n' whats to come :yes:

I think that's what the majority of us were/are/will be doing... we live our lives...

What i hope is...." THE SLEEPING GIANT HAS WOKEN"    :D

I love how some people sit on the internet telling other people on the internet to live their lives. GN'R is and will always be a big part of my life.

Here is hoping that G N' R will play at the Sportpaleis-Antwerp (since it's only 40km from where i live) next year. Fingers crossed

Why are you posting on this forum then?

I enjoy what I have! I enjoy this forum, I enjoy CD and Guns is a part of my life... what's your problem with that? A forum is to share thoughts and discuss them. This thread is to ask what GN'R fans think/ believe will happen with the future of our favorite band.... Is that so odd?
'Where do WE go now' >> We = GN'R and its (real) fans.

My guess would be one of the next 3 records.

Isn't it funny that after all these years we have only heard the Title of one record and not even a rumour of the names of the others?

Do you think they have named the next record yet?


 :peace:

I think CD is losing momentum quickly because of the lack of promotion. Where is the monumental promotional campaign? There is no video, no interviews by any of the members or Axl, no live performances, no tour announcement, and we do not even know who is presently in the band? This is not good.

CD is going to sell for music lovers and hardcore GNR fans. I do not know anyone personally who has bought CD. When I bought my copy I did not see anyone buying CD and they had tons of them. People walked right by it and did not even look at it. I was expecting to get to Best Buy and there would only be like 2 copies left because people went out and bought it not over 50 copies laying stale on a shelf.

The music is completely different than previous GNR albums but it is good. However, if they continue down this road it will be inevitable that it will not reach its full potential and it is a shame because there is no other band out there that is hot. The timing is perfect for GNR to take back the title of biggest band in the world, but they are no where to be found. One of the reasons VR did so well when they first formed was because of all the press and promotion that they did. This will be a shame if Axl sits on the side lines to watch the album fade off the charts.



 

i just thought that this kinda stuff made me laugh :hihi: :hihi:

relax dude : ok:

from a real fan :rofl:

I have to agree with lots of people saying that its too early let's just focus on the main thing, CD's out and that's it. Now what I think could happen is that after the tour is over perhaps a LIVE CD maybe around 2010 who knows. I think by now just relax.  :peace:

I find it a little disappointing that it is six months and despite several announcements and what seems like the best intentions, there has been little effort to promote to record and still no sign of a tour

This shit could have been sorted well before the album was released. Even with the Robin saga

Before anyone flames me I'm just telling as it is, the band are in danger of losing interest from fans. Lets hope things start to roll soon

+1

Chinese Democracy is out for some months now...and that's it. No video, touring seems a rumor....it seems nothing is happening except for rumors rumors and rumors.
What the fuck is going on with this band!? Do they still exist?

i love beating dead horses...  :-X

South America seems most likely at the moment.

The longer we sit here frustrated that a video and tour dates hasn't been announced, the longer it will feel until those things actually happen.

I learned that with the release of CD. As long as I was going crazy looking for any bit of news, it felt like forever. Then I just accepted the fact that when Axl was ready it would come out. It makes it much more enjoyable that way.

You dont have to put quotations around that, cause you fucked up the quote.  FYI. 

I suspect we're back at square one.... waiting for a tour instead of CD.  We were told a summer tour, and i dont see that happening.  Next we'll be told a fall tour................  Maybe we'll get a tour in 2018.   Obviously my glass is half empty.

YOUZE GOTTA SERIOUSLY BE FUCKIN KIDDING!!!

CHINESE DEMOCRAY WAS JUST RELEASED IN IT'S ENTIRETY FOR ROCK BAND/ROCK BAND 2 ON APRIL 14 AND 16!!!

THAT WAS ONLY A LITTLE OVER TWO WEEKS AGO!!!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=2006

Sure and by November it will have been released for 7 months. It is only selling like 3 to 4k copies a week.

I just think its great to get CD off his back and now I would have him, If I were advising him, to start finishing up the 2nd CD for either a November or maybe even Next Spring release.

DJ Ashba is a proven hit making guitarist. Let Axl Collaborate with him and let's get GNR back to the top of the charts.

Yeah but that's not really news, that barely does anything.

That's the usual.


Imagine if they announced a 40-date tour of Sweden tomorrow.

That would probably do nothing for you either, but it'd make a bunch of Swedes happy though.



Just like the Rock Band thing made a lot of gamers happy. Now they're able to play those tracks in those games...




/jarmo

will you ever stop ejaculating over DJ ? :-*

Nikki Sixx + DJ = Sixx AM and Saints of Los Angeles

Axl + DJ = rock orgasm

No actually quite the opposite.  I would love if they announced a tour of a European country, even though I live in New Jersey.  But if I'm being honest I'm not sure what releasing Chinese Democracy on RockBand actually does besides let some people play a game that they probably already have.  I suppose that this can create some awareness of the band that may not have been there before, but I imagine a highly publicized tour or something akin to that would serve a better purpose.

What does releasing the album in one of the most popular games, not to mention it being a new way of getting your music heard, do?

Do you have to ask?



/jarmo

I'm starting to wonder if GN'R really want to go out and be a band at all.  We've been waiting far too long for something to happen since CD came out.

What I hope to happen is a tour.  That's it.  A full tour.  Videos, singles, CD sales etc don't matter.  Touring does.

My point with DJ Ashba is, if he can make that good of music with Motley Crue, and yes SOLA is a pretty damn good CD, imagine what he can do with Axl?

thats my opinion too, but time is running and nobody say a shit.

we are into May............ so, I mean something for Summer has to be announced pretty damn soon.

Exactly! SOLA is a really fun CD. I'm a real fan of tommy's drumming, and I also dig motley's guitar and vocals. It's a great album.  But in my mind Axl is 100s of times better than vince, and bumble has "freakshow level" skills at guitar...so throw in the one of the key songwriters from the motley CD and it's got some pretty exciting potential IMO.

Give them some patience... they just got a new guitarist and things should come to fruitation soon.

That is not an excuse.  A guitarist has already come in months ago.  The word soon should be erased from the GN'R vocabulary too!

I mean does it do something? Of course it does, I just think it's a bit foolish to count this as major news, or at least news that's worthy enough to leave us satisfied for a bit.  It's a cool thing, I won't deny, but I'm worried we're only going to get snippets like this for some time.

I'm talking out of experience.

Not a lot of US fans care if/when GN'R toured outside the USA...

In 2007, some did go see the band abroad and some were interested in talking about the shows with fans who attended, but it's still not the same kind of attention that they give a tour in their own backyard....



/jarmo

Where do we go now?

I myself would want a new record first before a tour, i'm honestly a person who prefers getting new material to seeing live gigs. (Not to say i dont want to see GN'R, they're my fav. band and ive never seen them live yet, so to finally see them would be great)
But they've already toured and done half of this record live at various points, so to get a new album THEN tour would be good, as they'd get a wider range of new stuff live, and not have to rely as heavily on the stuff from 'Appetite', giving the new band a chance to stand on their own credentials.
From the old stuff, as long as they do WTTJ, PC, SCOM, YCBM, Rocket Queen, Estranged and Its So Easy Live, i'm happy if they then did loads of new stuff. (November rain and dont cry would be sweet too)

You got the album but no tour to support it yet. So using that logic, you'd want a tour?

But then you go on saying you want an album... Weird.



/jarmo

THIS!!!!!!!...is the most frustrating & mind boggling 5 months out of the last 10 yrs..(because of lack of all around support for such an EPIC disc)...UNCLE AXL is still the man though!!! :peace:

I agree. I was glad it finally got released but then......nothing. Some people still think a tour or some other kind of promotion will jump start it but that's ridiculous. This thing is dead from a sales standpoint.

i somehow doubt that. i think its a bit ahead of its time and will pickup eventually.

but even it doesnt, who cares? as long as it doesnt impact the possibility of another record.

I just think CD was handled and released horribly and they should just cut their losses and focus on the next album.

That is my opinion of course but CD sold 1300 copies last week.... I just don't see it having legs.

I guess you don't think the album's songs are good enough to be performed live in front of audiences?


The fact that the album was released after all the problems was an accomplishment in itself. That should be celebrated.

Many of you seem to forget that and just want a new album tomorrow.







/jarmo

Yeah but if they came out with a new album, they could still do the CD songs plus the newer songs. Really, every song I've wanted to hear off CD except Shackler's Catcher and Sorry have pretty much already been performed live anyhow.

IRS,CD,Madagascar,SOD,Better were all played very heavily on the tours.

my point is, It was great getting CD out. Got the monkey off the back, the thing as Axl said was a miracle to get released. So now there will be less pressure on the follow up. U got some songs already and a great songwriting partner in DJ Ashba to help with the next record.

How many times did you see them?

None?

Just like many others who bought the album...





You don't seem to get it and you chose to focus on your own wishes.

The album deserves attention.


Stop trying to "demand" a new album in a time when the current one is still the main focus.

It's just selfish.




/jarmo

I don't think I am "Demanding" a new album. I am giving my opinion on the course of action I think they should take. I am going to support whatever and am a long for the ride, but in my opinion and its just my opinion. Im not expecting everyone to agree with it, I think CD was a good album, got them back out there, reintroduced them to the world and now I would take that and concentrate on another album and hopefully things go more smooth this time.

DJ's got alot of songs to learn to play :hihi:
let them get a tour or two under their belts and get used to the dynamics of DJ before thinking about a new album :-\

As in i want another album first THEN a tour, where they can do stuff from both records and not be so reliant on old stuff

I don't think it is that they are reliant on the old stuff, it is what made them GNR ???.  Half of the fun is the anticipation of the tour, waiting for the announcement, presales, planning your trips to these shows, meeting fellow gunners along the way, and then the pure rush of it all leaves you wanting for more,  It's less than six months for CD, plez relax and let this album takes its course, and enjoy it, after all, what is not to be enjoyed it is completey breath taking and the talents produced by Axl and the current line up, well.....undescribable  all the way across the board : ok:.

So you basically want something that the band isn't focusing on.

Prepare to be disappointed once again just because you want stuff that's not reasonable and has been explained to you....






/jarmo

I'm simply giving my opinion as to what i'd like. I've read Axl's interviews, and i know he wants to concentrate on CD, and i'm fine with that, i'd love to see Gn'R live, i simply prefer studio material to live shows.
I'm not trying to be unreasonable or cause shit, i'm simply stating what i'd most like to see. I'm perfectly happy with what Axl wants to do, i'm simply stating what i'd like to see, knowing it's probably not whats going to happen, it's just my own opinion and wish, nothing more

As long as you don't get pissed off when you don't get what you want when you want it....



/jarmo

No i wont, i know it's not likely to happy, it's simply what id like to see most
Axl's gonna want to tour this record properly first, thats perfectly reasonable, i mean 99% of artists do it that way. I'm simply looking forward to the next record, whenever it may be,

how old are you?

say, it may come out in 201X and you sure would like to see it first then a tour, i don't think.  :hihi:

only 2 tuesdays left before may 23  :)

Did I miss something? Is something supposed to happen on May 23?

where do we go now??

we are going to get use to just listen Ch D for a couple years b4 something happen

the supposed expiring date of the bb deal, maybe?

But whatts up with tuesdays? ???

That's just a reference to the 6 month mark.  The supposed end of the Best Buy exclusive, which so far we haven't heard anything about it actually ending.

Tuesdays are when new releases come out in the US.

was november the 23rd 2008 tuseday?
and shouldn't the supposed re release date be after the supposed expiring date and not before?

November 23rd was a Sunday actually, released 2 days earlier than the traditional Tuesday release date.  May 23rd is a Saturday, the following Tuesday is the 26th.  I would suppose THAT would mark the 6 month date.

I would think/hope we'd hear something real soon if something were actually gonna happen around that time.

who said is gonna be a re-release of the album?

I don't believe anyone did.  That's just pure speculation.  Based on Axl's chats way back when he mentioned how he'd like to get the booklet corrected, the alternate covers, some promotion being pushed till later down the line intentionally, etc.  Then Richard (I think) saying that the Best Buy deal was for 6 months.  So that's where that all comes from.

I'd LIKE to believe it.

If there was going to be a re-release of the CD to other retail chains, there'd be some mention of it by now.

It ain't happening.

Aside from one marvelous six week period (mid-October to November 23, 2008), Guns N' Roses have returned to the world of obscurity.

What a waste.

I am very thankful we got CD and the online chats etc.... but it is turning back into Pre CD days in the GNR universe.....

OH PLEASE STOP YOUR FUCKIN WHINING ALREADY!!!

RICHARD SAID THEY'RE IN REHEARSAL!!!


TRY DOING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ..... LIKE MAYBE REQUESTING CHINESE DEMOCRACY OR BETTER ON YOUR LOCAL RADIO STATIONS ..... INSTEAD OF ALWAYS CRYING AND TALKING FUCKIN NEGATIVE SHIT!!!

WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW THE INTRICACIES OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO GET THINGS DONE ... BUT WE DO KNOW THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS TOURING!!!

the same Richard who talked about a tour and then had to retract his statement.

The same GNR who said a Better vid would be out in a couple weeks and now 5 months later we still have no video?


Oh yeah, how could i ever doubt this band.

Yeah, yeah. It's so frustrating, blah blah. Just give up then.

I don't get it. How can anyone doubt there will be a tour? I mean, if it was 2005 or so, I would understand due to the inativity, but after two great tours in 06/07 and with the album released (and with Richard saying all this, and with DJ Ashba, and with that guy talking about rehearsals), why wouldn't they?

Just because it's taking longer than we thought it doesn't mean it won't happen. Deal with the band the way it is.

There will be a tour, question is when...

The waiting is the hardest part- Tom Petty

Gotcha. Didn't think of that.

Also; to the people calling others whining and yelling that people should be spending their time getting CD songs on the radio:

It is not the fans job to promote this record. It's their job to buy it and enjoy it if they chose. Get a grip.

Get a grip?

I think the whole point was that instead of just whining and whining, which helps nobody other than possibly the person doing the whining, do something constructive.

One constructive thing you can do is to request GN'R to be played on the radio.


It's always the same. When there's a topic where people can whine in, lots of them take part. But if there's a topic which requires some "work", it's usually more quiet.....




/jarmo

True the future is now ours and with the tour coming up in America soon its gona be all GN'R past, present, future. This year will be the most crusial for the band to to rise up after about "14 Years" and prove that GN'R new or old still ROCKS!!!

Im not giving up but I have a wait and see approach with all things GNR related.

If one is announced, I'll be the most exciting person on here, but I am not 100 percent convinced.

Im sure they will play some festivals and maybe some European/S America stuff

but A full blown US Tour.............. I think it will happen but would I bet on it? No way.

I think it will be interesting to see how many promoters would line up for a big time US Tour all things considered. I could see a tour in big markets....... NY,LA,Chicago,Boston  etc 

I agree request CD tracks...Via telepphone or internet....Heres 2 shows/links that take requests..
http://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/content/pid/401936
http://houseofhaironline.com/make-a-request/

i would release If The World for the summer

that song is pure class and already sounds like its been famous for decades. I think it is the best song on the CD and I can't understand why they didnt push something like that.

WHERE DO WE GO NOW ?

We go to Houston, just heard Chinese Democracy being played during the Rockets/Lakers game   :beer:

So I've heard.  Is that the first reported sounds of a new GNR song being played at a live sports event?  That's the first time I've heard of it.  Still think "Scraped" would make a great sports stadium song.  "Don't you try to stop us now."

Just listening to the Eddie Trunk interview again

and i wish axl would do more of these. He comes off so likable and great in this. Its my favorite interview of anybody ever.

I'm eager to see if there is any news about touring, I would love to see them play again, but what I appreciate most about GNR, as frustrating as it might get to me as a fan, is that they do things in their own terms regardless of what people want or expect or even offer.

So, I don't know if I would be happy for GNR to go on tour if the band aren't happy about it for any reason. I think its better just to wait for them to decide on their own terms. I'm sure they all know we are out here waiting.

yep, they've always been that way.  I figured people would be used to it by now.  :-\

Where do we go now?

Well, they could at least tell the fan's whats happening.  Might be nice.

Maybe they could open up the goddamned online shop, too.....

???
http://www.bamstores.com/shop/index.jsp?categoryId=3010441&clickid=gnr_splashmain

Wow! Cool shirts.

(http://bam.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-4499711dt.jpg)

Do they have any with pictures of the new band, album?

sweet child...

Fuck that shit. The day I'll stop comming in here is when Axl's on twitter.

Tings change all the fuckin time so why not keep it the way it is. When there's something worth knowing they always make sure to let us in on it.

Why is there nothing worth knowing in the last 6 months though?  Thats what concerns fan's the most

What, the interviews, Axl posting here and other boards, the Rock Band stuff, the Ashba announcement.. All of this were nothing?

2 - 3 interviews a few months back hasnt really progressed the album that much.  Rock band is cool in fairness.  Ashba, kinda irrelevant.
Fans want a tour, a video/single and a bit more exposure.  If that cant be arranged right now, thats fine.  But even an interview or update blog on what exactly is happening would relax people.

It does seem like the simpler sorts of promotion that come naturally to most artists like interviews, tours, videos, etc.  seem to be much more painful for GnR to accomplish. 

My thoughts exactly. It would be easier to swallow the bad if every single endeavor didn't seem to be accompanied by mitigating factors that seem to slow or cease any type of forward progress.

But on the flip side, Axl never promised us a tour this year. In fact, I believe he mentioned at the beginning of the year that there were "no plans". Everything after that has been media rumors or some "hope so" comment  by one of the bandmembers. It's not like Axl said it was ever going to happen, or that there were plans of one happening. So, I don't think it's fair for fans to be making demands based on something that was nothing more than speculation and rumors.

Now, the 'Better' video, that's anyone's guess. I think at some point he actually had intentions of that happening. For whatever reason, it didn't. Personally, I doubt it ever will. But at some point, I wouldn't be surprised if Axl offers an explanation as to what happened exactly.

Obviously I'm only guessing but one would think that since Robin has major credits on Better (lyrics, guitars, keyboards, guitar solo, arrangement, drum arrangement, digital editing, publishing) and has since decided to move on from GNR, that GNR would no longer choose to use this particular song for the initial video release from CD.  That's not to say that at some point in time they will but I just don't think they would as the first CD video.

why are stores selling new shirt styles for an album that is 20 years old and with picture representation of members that haven't been in the band for over 10?

they were unsure of robin's status when axl did the forumn interviews so i don't think that has anything to do with the delay

Well, if that is the reason behind the delay, I wouldn't think they'd ever use it. Honestly, it's all pretty null and void at this point anyhow. Considering the song made no real mainstream impact, I don't think anyone is really pushing for this to see the light of day at this point anyway.

and the joke about lars approval...


because it's a cover of a gnr album and a cool design SMFS likes?

@SMFS I guess there will be but if you can't wait, go your nearby hot topic
or http://www.bandstores.co.uk/shop/gunsnroses/proddetail.php?prod=12162021
http://www.shockhound.com/merch/3808-guns-n--roses-chinese-democracy-t-shirt
http://www.shockhound.com/merch/3899-guns-n--roses-how-are-you-shirt-slim-fit-t-shirt

Those interviews and the rock band thing and the album it self that was released less than 6 months ago is way way way more than "we have gotten" since since 1991.

If you want to follow something that gives you something every day Guns n roses isn't it.

Slash has been pretty loose lately tho. :hihi: Steven and duff too btw.

Chicago is the one city that I hope they do go to becouse I live not that far away from the city sorry everyother US city but the Chi town is a blues kind of town I think GN'R would get a good turnout new or old.

Because it is basically what GN'R is known for? haha that is a pretty cool shirt though. I hope to see GN'R coming near houston on a tour , I want a stadium tour. Axl has a band that is ready to really bring it , he's got the energy and talent for it. GN'R stadium tour.... :yes:........ :yes:

Excuse me, I'm talking about all band members. Richard, Ron, Tommy and Brain also did one or more interviews.

And to say Ashba is irrelevant, it's because you want to see the negative side. To me, it means (as its written in the press release) that the band is indeed planing to tour and it's rehearsing. How is this not telling people what's going on?

Agreed , people expect too much WAY too fast. Ashba is a signal to the fact that the GN'R world is in fact revolving.

really it's time some fans like jacdaniel learnt GNR is a band and not just axl. 

It's a band, but with only one necessary constant. At least in Axl's mind. I don't think anyone should diss someone just because it isn't the guy who they'd prefer. But at the same time, praising someone just because they're now in the band is kind of narrow.

who is praising someone just because they're now in the band?

how the hell do you know what's in axls or anyone's mind?

Where did I say that I know what's going on in Axl's mind? I said that GN'R is a band where he is the only necessary constant. How did I come to this conclusion? Look at the lineup that was featured on AFD. Look at the lineup that was credited on 'Chinese Democracy'. Besides that, did he not say something along the lines of it being GNR prior to AFD, and that's why it is still GNR today during one of his recent forum visits?

So yeah, it would be difficult for me to "know what's going on in Axl's mind", but it's really not too difficult to know what he thinks on this matter based on his actions over the last decade AND what came out of his own mouth. I'm not really sure why you have difficulty seeing that.

Just in case you overlooked my response ...

it's really not too difficult to know what he thinks on this matter based on his actions over the last decade AND what came out of his own mouth. I'm not really sure why you have difficulty seeing that.

that's no more than your assumption. your cop out isn't workin well.

one minute you say you can easily tell what's in others minds and next minute you speak to the contrary. 

My assumption? 

I didn't realizing basing an opinion off of years of observation, actions, and one's exact words, could be considered me making assumptions.   

Where exactly did I ever say that I could "easily tell what's in others minds". Dude, you certainly are left field with some of these accusations. In fact, some of them are just outright bizzarre. It'd be a whole lot easier to have a conversation if these voices in your head would quit telling you that I think Axl is bad man. I mean, are you ok? I'm just trying to understand where it is that you're coming from exactly with your off-the-wall remarks.

I hope this concern wasn't too much of a cop out on my part.     :hihi:

in english english "not too difficult" mean rather "easy".

no matter how long and hard you've observed a person ( indirectly), that's still a matter of inference.

do you think your mum knows exactly what you're thinking?

And to say Ashba is irrelevant, it's because you want to see the negative side. To me, it means (as its written in the press release) that the band is indeed planing to tour and it's rehearsing. How is this not telling people what's going on?
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in all fairness to ashba, the guy hasn't been in the band 2 months yet (3/21) and he's got a lot of songs to learn - maybe by end of june/july they'll announce dates?

yes, i hope they'll announce tour soon  : ok:
Ashba is an extraordinary musician, i know he can play all the songs,  :love: but he has to play in a band, so all the band needs spend time togheter.

and knowing axl , is easy to imagine that he will bring out the best of DJ.
it ll be fantastic majestic !!!

"and knowing axl " here's another mind reader ppbebe :hihi: :rofl:

"i?m sorry for you baby !!! "  :hihi:
  :rofl: you are really funny!!! honey !!!  :-* you don`t have anything interesting to say ????
we know Axl as an artist, i don?t say as a person or what he has in his mind .. you have to learn baby ...
your confusion is really funny ....   :rofl: 

I'm trying to read this behavior from Ron:

Have workers cleaning out junk in basement of studio, pretty big job. They started there 9am this morning...

Why clean out all that junk now?  Is he moving, planning on being at home, expecting more junk, remodeling?  What is this nesting behavior all about?  Ron are you pregnant?

maybe GNR studio is spotless and the months of rehearsals made him unused to be in a mess.


'knowing' msaxl43 and those smilies, I bet she is just joking there.  ;) 

thanks angeles and msaxl for showing what kind of knowing is super unnatural and uncanny,  what is natural and reasonable so well.

Spot on ppbebe : ok:. No pun intended angeles ;D and welcome to the board :)

ok!!  :) Thanks for the welcome
i love all of you ...  :love:

Guns n Roses 09 is Axl and whoever he decides to work with.  Don't delude yourself otherwise. 

Didnt Gilby learn the set in 2 weeks! so what is the hold up?
why should it take so long to rehearse your own album?
Is ashba getting guitar lessons?   :rofl:    Just kidding guys.

If you want to use that kind of analogy, then it's just like it was in 1985!  :P


You Slash fans just need to realize that it's a band.




/jarmo

but you must admit that Axl makes the choices.  He'll tour when he is ready.  He'll release a video when he feels like it.

That's a generalization.

You just want to make it sound like the others have no input at all.




/jarmo

They do have an input but Axl will always make the final choice.

He's the one who gets held responsible for anything related to GN'R at the end of the day.

So obviously he has a big part of it.



But your whole tone changed from "it's not a band" to "Axl runs the ship".


/jarmo

were you at the auditions?
any group has a leader that ought to decide things for the whole group. that doesn't mean the leader is the group.

Bumblefoot was e-mailed by Chris before he joined, Frank knew Richard etc.

Seems like the others are more involved in the band that some like to admit.

Not to mention the input on the album.



/jarmo

Exactly the same from day zero.

I disagree. In fact, I believe just about every member / ex-member have claimed that things changed in regards to how decisions were made or the way that they'd collaborate.

I'm not saying that Axl doesn't let the current band make any decisions. But at the end of the day, he's the man with the final say. I don't believe the band operated exactly like that back in the mid to late eighties. Today, it appears that the band operates more like a business than 5 guys against the world.

Not exactly Steven and Axl had there differences and especially after the amount Steven was given for AFD 15% where Axl got 25% just clearifying.

according to brain it took him quite a while to learn the songs on democracy

Where and when did Brain say that? I'm not being a smartass, I'm honestly curious.

in a interview I read somewhere; he kind of explained howhe was brought into GnR and the process of recording all of Josh's parts-i think it is/was on this site somewhere-maybe modern drummer?

here you go, I looked it up after reading your post

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=175

Oooooooh. You meant it took Brain a long time. Ok. I thought you were saying that Brain gave that quote about DJ. As in it was taking DJ a long time to learn the CD songs.

but i also speculated it was taking DJ time to learn all the songs as well-again,  as he hasn't been with them 2 months yet

what do the 80s have to do with anything relevant to now?

This thread is going nowhere...  ???  ::)  8)

I don't know. You tell me?

A member stated that decisions are made exactly the same as they have been "since day one". I disagree. There are some obvious differences as to how things are ran differently now.

In my opinion, the only similarities between what was, and what is, would be that Axl's singing and still calling it GNR.

and the band is?

and you are?


And the conception...Guns and Roses originated in axl's mind long before it got the name. Hence from day zero.
Other guys joined him and left, not other way round. or Scom wouldn't have made a single.

Dude, I have to ask. Do you even bother reading through a thread to see what is being discussed, or do you just find a post that doesn't "appear" to praise Axl as the sole mastermind and try to twist it to start an argument? No offense, and I realize that age and grammar barrier plays a role here, but I have a hard time following what it is that you are trying to get at half the time. The other half the time you just come off as an instigator who's looking for an argument, but provides no real basis as to why.

I agree that Axl had a vision of what he felt like GNR should be. No argument there. But I'm sure that every member at the time had a personal vision as well. I'm not going to debate who's vision better defined the band's legacy; as that's mostly up to interpretation and preference. If you're a huge fan of the 'NR's' and 'Estranged' epics, Axl probably should be credited most as to why we have those songs today. If 'Brownstone', 'Nightrain', and 'Think About' are more your cup of tea, I'd argue that other members had just as much, if not more, to do with those songs existance as Axl. If the epic solos were what caught your attention the most, I could see making the statement that "you know who" is credited greatly.

Bottom line, those songs worked so well because all involved brought something to the table with them. Maybe Axl wanted synth in 'PC' and the others didn't, but it worked. Maybe Axl wanted Slash to alter a particular solo and he didn't, but nonetheless, it worked. They ALL had a vision, and what made it gel so well, musically speaking, is that when those visions were combined, we got some of the best rock material ever recorded. Maybe Axl took the responsibility thing a little more serious than some of the other "alumni", but that doesn't downplay those contributions that the "alumni" provided.


I understood the first sentence. The second, I'm not so sure what you are attempting to suggest.

can you stop writing a book about your speculations on a poster each time. thanks.

No one said the old band wasn't a band.
The old songs worked well and the same is true with cd sings because this is a band and has been a band led by axl.
he was in charge even before they joined.

isn't it you who gotta read the thread? it's not about this kind of argument or about where the band came from so I won't go further. read axl chats.


the rest of the band didn't like it. I thought everyone knew the story.

funny because that's what he's doing. a nice smiley only post.

No offense, but I have to "speculate" being as though the majority of your posts are grammaticaly incoherent or provide very little logic. Maybe if you put a little more effort into making your posts make sense, you wouldn't receive my "book" answers



In his opinion, he was in charge. And maybe that fits into your line of reasoning, but I think it's pretty opinionated statement nonetheless.


The rest of the band, or the lead guitar player at the time? There's a difference there. And again, when you write a sentence that states, "Or SCOM wouldn't have been a single", that leaves alot of room to question what it is that you are actually trying to say.

na that's a fact or are you saying they picked axl?


the rest. but obviously axl had the final say. I'd post the source8none other than slash) but you should know how much this argument belongs in deadhorse....

Jesus.  ::)

What exactly does someone picking Axl and him being "in charge" have to do with one another? More nonsensical rubbish ...



Define "final say". He had the final say when it came down to whether he'd lay vocals down for a song.  I agree. But didn't the other guys also have that same say when it came to their part.

For example, do you not think that Axl may have wanted a certain solo extended, or cut short, and Slash said "no"? I bet he had. I bet they all had different musical perspectives at one point or another, but I bet that didn't mean Axl got his way every time he had a suggestion.

I really think you're confusing "final say" with one's opinion.

I don't know if linking to mygnr is OK but there you go :

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=24956&st=0&#entry2431290

Does the fact that Axl is credited on 85-90% of the songs count ? And no, these are not "just lyrics"...

Are you playing dumb or what? Axl was fronting gnr when those guys sans izzy joined. Like when the present members joined. That's a fact.

Final say is the last say. I don't know if he has had it on everything but on this song, 
http://www.blender.com/guide/67560/greatest-songs-ever-sweet-child-o146-mine.html

Although not the exact article I was referring to, it tells as how Scom was considered as a filler by those ex members.
It was axl's push.

On the other hand, I haven't heard a single story about axl reluctantly following other member's decision.

so, Where do we go now. ::)

Umm ... hello?

What does Axl fronting GNR have to do with him having "final say"? Baz used to front SR until they kicked his ass out of it. Was that his "final say"?

To continuously try and suggest that Axl was this guy who had "final say" paints the picture that he was some ruthless dictator who didn't allow other opinions or collaboration. I don't believe for a second that was the case. At one point, I'd say Slash was just as instrumental in the artistic / business decisions as Axl was. In fact, I belive that was even mentioned once by one of the 2. To an extent, I can see Axl taking an even greater role; mostly due to Slash's addiction issues. But nonetheless, that's still different than this "final say" shit that you keep attempting to insinuate.




Judging by your previous posts, my guess would be some left field response from yourself.

I don't know much about the band other than that baz used to be in. And I don't think it's relevant.

In GNRs case basically axl and izzy decided on those guys to be in guns n roses when the other founding members left.
And no one decided on axl to be in guns n roses. Axl did. He's been there taking charge of the band since day one.

As for the semantics,

Is a decision maker, president for instance,  a dictator?
Leaders having the final say doesn't mean the others don't have their say. it's often quite the opposite. A good leader would try to listen to everyone's opinion before deciding on important issues.
It works till too many cooks start to spoil the broth.

the phrase was quite popular among a few current band bashers.
I used the phrase regarding to the scom story that glances at axl's leadership.

I repeat, I don't know if he had the last say on everything then or if he does now. Neither do you.



I'd rather you'd say Bye. I can't believe I'm seeing this dead horse. It's so 2004~ 2005 ish, not to mention it was already irreverent then.

I'm sure you would. Especially considering I've basically owned you into a hole with nearly every baseless comment that you've made.

No worries though. You're young. There's nothing wrong with being somewhat naive in your youth. I was there once myself. You continue seeing things through your angry, narrow minded perception and I'll continue enjoying what each of the band members have given us so far.

Don't get angry about it. It's "natural" that some of the more opened minded and non-biased fans are able to feel this way.  :)

Open minded and non-biased....  :hihi:


And with that, this discussion is over.




/jarmo