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If I buy the vinyl of Chinese Democracy is there a booklet in that to? Or do I have to buy the cd to get that?

edit title: by destry

use this thread for any questions you have about the vinyl, etc.

For those that didn't pre-order the vinyl from Best Buy and bought the CD in a store, were you able to buy the vinyl at the store as well? I'm not really getting any information from BB, FutureShop or HMV that says they'll have vinyl as well in the Canadian stores.

Thanks,
a.

Thats what i was wondering.

fuck i hope future shop will have the vinyl,, cannot see walmart having it

if not,  ebay i guess eh

There's no lyric booklet in the vinyl.

Anyone with vinyl try experimenting and playing it backwards?

is the digital download that comes with the vinyl through itunes or napster? i'm going to give it to my Son, and he doesn't have napster yet.

thanks!

you can do that with the cd on the computer aswell

Anyone else buy the vinyl but not receive the instructions for the free mp3 download?

I am in the same boat.  No directions for the download.

BTW- The DL with the LP is for USA only. At least that what the sticker on the front says.

I got the CD too so I'm keeping mine sealed ( unless I break down & get a turntable again, then maybe I'll open it.

The instructions are on a SMALL slip of paper inside one of the sleeves (the right one?).  The slip contains an access code you need to download, so if you don't have the code, the instructions are useless .... but here they are anyways...

1.  Go to www.gnronline.com/vinyl
2.  Enter your access code, printed in the box below.
3.  Download your album!

Thanks for the info, but that small piece of paper was not included in my copy.  Oh well. 

I bought the vinyl at my local Best Buy.  They had a huge Chinese Democracy set up holding a capacity of 50 copies of the CD (they seemed to be going fast).  There looked to be 10-15 copies of the vinyl in a section on top of the display.  I swiped one before heading over to do my in-store pick-up pre-order.

Where should I get a record palyer?  How much should I spend?

Do the US Versions of the LP include some information about how to get the digital album? Because the Europeans don't

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=54678.0

Damn, I thought I wouldn't have to rip the album for my mp3 player myself since I'm buying the vinyl edition, but the download's a US exclusive. O well. To top it off, my LP player is broke, so I can't even listen to the actual vinyl. Great purchase! :P Just kidding, feels good to support a great album.

I bought the album but have no plans on listening to it- I bought the CD for that.

Thought of the LP as more of a collectors item.

The LP is the most accurate sonic representation of the album recording being heard the way it was meant to.  I'm just sayin.......

i bought the vinyl for 'collecting purposes', but im gonna play the fucker also......1 little spin wont hurt...... will it  : ok:

How many of you bought a "turning table" (I know it's not really called that!) just to play Chinese Democracry?






/jarmo

I bought a turntable because of Chinese Democracy, but I plan to start buying some vinyls now. My turntable came today, but I don't have a single vinyl to play on it. Still waiting on my CD vinyl to ship (delayed in Canada).

I need to replace the one that I had that died 2 years ago. But now I have a little more motivation. Curious if the difference between vinyl and the CD is noticeable.

I haven't yet, but I will be in a month or two (also buying a brand new speaker system to go along with it, hence the delay in getting it)

ive always had a deck to play my vinyl.......... whats the point in collecting vinyl if you can't enjoy it now and then  : ok:

kinda comes in useful when grading my collection too  ;)

I didn't notice a   free digital download offer in my vinyl copy. Did I miss it? Where should I look for it? Was it ever there? Maybe it's just the vinyl bought at Bestbuy that includes this offering?
Besides that my vinyl was a dissapointment with only black innersleeves and not half the info,artwork and pictures that was included in the cd-booklet did I get a bad copy  or what? I have two more which I have not opened and since I have plans for them as gifts any info on the free download would be appreciated. But I guess I'll have to buy more cd's  anyway to give away with the vinyl so the people can read the lyrics :hihi:

I was a bit disappointed that the vinyl did not have lyrics on the record sleeves as the AFD and the Illusion albums did. 

Make sure you check inside the sleeves.  It should be on a piece of paper inside the sleeves.  It took me a few minutes to find.   : ok:

There should've been a sticker on your plastic wrap that said "includes free digital download"

In the sleeve where the album with sides 3-4, underneath there is a slip with the instructions and the code. U can't miss it but u have to pull the albums out.

So does the vinyl sould better? Generally, I have found vinyl to sound superior to CD, almost like listening to a completely different master, but these days vinyl just seems to be an afterthought and can end up sounding horrid. With the various complaints about the booklet, the promotion and certain aspects of the production, did they at least manage to get the vinyl right, or am I going to have to play my own copy to find out?  :nervous:

No download offer in mine either......i think europe missed out on this one  :(

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ive not listened to mine yet, i hope to give it a spin this weekend   8)

We did indeed. Bullshit, ain't it?

No sticker and no slip. A bit dissapointing. But that can't stop celebrations, no way! Wohooo everybody! Wohooo :beer: :beer: :beer:

missing out on the download didn't really matter cos its so easy to rip the cd and convert it to different formats anyway........its just something that would have been cool to have........
but your right................it doesnt stop the celebrating  :beer:

Thanks for the heads up on the digital download! :peace: It would've been framed (which I'm having done for Christmas) with the code inside.

Shit! I didn't realize the record came with a digital download! That's okay, I'm not planning on opening it.

I opened mine today. Was going to keep it sealed but figured I spent the $20 might as well get the download so I can listen to it on my PC in hi quality and not have to get the CD out of the vehicle back & forth each day. ( the myspace streams don't sound as good)

Sooner or later I will get a turntable and Ill end up playing the vinyl to check out the sound difference.

Who needs a digital download that only has the Vinyl?

I've got an extra slip. I bought the Vinyl, got my digital download, realized it had a few skips in it, exchanged it, and now have an extra access code for the digital download.

If yours didn't have a slip, and you don't have the album digitally, I'll shoot you this code.

First to PM me gets it.

Absofuckinglutely.  : ok:

Get this. I buy the vinyl at Best Buy. While I'm unwrapping it, I notice that the corners are all banged up. So at first, I decide not to bother with returning it. But then, after some reflection, I get a bit pissed off and decided to visit the big box. They were cool about exchanging it, but EVERY LP in the display is damaged, so I take the one that's in the best shape. This was last week sometime.
Anyways, this afternoon the house is all mine, and I decide to spin some Chineese Democracy at a respectable volume level. I tear away the plastic in anticipation, gently slide album #1 out of her sleeve, and lo and behold, that mutherfucker has some fingerprints and a boatload of nasty mega-fine scratches! All 4 sides, the same mess!
Mr. Rose shouldn't be suing Dr. Pepper so much as the people that are fucking up the process of getting his A+ art project to the fans in the condition that it's meant to be in. Seriously, it's un-fucking real. :rant:

thats just not fucking nice!!!! i cracked open my vinyl and its completely unmarked inside and out.....i guess your a little pissed off right now

Thats outrageous, you must return it and ask for an undamaged one. If not get a fucking refund and buy one elsewhere.

I had a turntable prior, but upgraded because of the album.  Word of advice for those thinking of getting a turntable.  Get something decent off the bat! There are many cheap plastic things (I had one and returned it) sold at the big box stores that won't do the album, or any LP for that matter, proper justice. 

Both of the Chin Dem LPs I purchased were also in less than perfect condition, almost like I bought them off ebay.   There is a skip in Riad on both of them at the same spot.  Bummer

I picked up my copy on vinyl today at HMV here in Saskatoon and it was in pristine condition.  Interestingly enough, there was also the coupon for the digital download.  I assume they just imported the American ones because the legal stuff says that it is for US residents only.  On another note, the vinyl sounds AMAZING!!  It is way better than the cd and that sounded pretty good also.  By the way I have a newer Shure cartridge and a Stanton Str8-20 turntable so it does sound better than something purchased from a big boxstore.  If you want to hear how amazing this record sounds, get the vinyl.  It sounds like 13 million bucks!

hi guys,   is the vinyl from Best Buy a 2 record set or is it a single LP in a double gatefold sleeve.

The reason im asking is because i cannot buy it Canada as you all know so i turned to Ebay to get my copy before they get to scarce or to high priced.  I  included the Ebay link below of the Chinese Democracy vinyl i am getting ready to pay for.  I just need some advice on here before i do pay.  Is there a 2 record set or just one record.  Please let me know asap if you guys think im being ripped off and if its a botleg...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250325889914&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

PS,  Here is the question i wrote the seller and his reply..

My Question--->   Hey there, thanks for the speedy reply :)  I will send the money order tommorow morning.  I was also wondering if this Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy vinyl the same as the one you can buy at Best Buy (exclusive) in the USA.  I also need to know if it is the Offical 2 vinyl, 180gram vinyl.

Thanks

Seller's answer--->   Hello,

It is official and the same version as Best Buy. It is a single LP in a double gatefold sleeve..

What yas think??

guys, ive bought the vinyl also, but i still havent heard it, as i dont have a turntable here in the US (had one in Brazil). u know, as much as a collector as i am and as much as i like having the vinyl, ive worked on the recording of a few small bands in Brazil, always CD of course. and i find extremely hard to believe that the vinyl could sound better than the CD. I understand being a purist n everything, liking old-school stuff, all that. But still, that hiss u hear is not something thats suposed to be there, its just something that turntables do... i dont know, ill try n play mine on a turntable and maybe change my opinion

Hope everyone is enjoying the Vinyl copy.

I'm still waiting for it to arrive. Shipped out from Amazon UK promptly, left a warehouse at Denmark, but obviously the package had to be transferred to a different flight from Asia.. somewhere along the line it got into Thailand and now its stuck there due to the civil unrest :(

Got my vinyl copy.. it took a while from best buy but oh well, it looks great and is heavy. i cannot wait to hear it!!!

get a good turntable and cartridge..

I have opened up TWO copies of CD on vinyl and both have skips during Chinese Democracy, Better, If The World, and a few others!  The transfer sounds altogether bad too... I bought one copy from online and one from BB in the town I live. Very strange.. Anyone else have these problems? These are both brand new records skipping at the same places on their first spin! >:(

update:

I have adjusted the weight gauge on my stylus (needle) arm and this eliminated 60% of the skips. I discussed this with a vinyl geek friend tonight, and he said it should have been put on 4 LP's, not squeezed onto two LP's. The information is ultra compressed, thus leaving tighter grooves for the needle and compromising the sound. (notice IRS in particular sounds like shit, but has no skips)

If you don't have a weight gauge attach a penny or quarter to your stylus...

I have also heard from other fans who bought the LP and they have the same problems. Anyone else out there having issues?

Yup, it's bulls balls. I want quality product! Perhaps there was someone at the pressing plant who doesn't like Axl, and they sabotaged the LPs. I don't even know if it will pay to go back to Best Buy. I should wait a month for the next shipment, I guess. :'(

Yes.  For me there is huge "innner groove" distortion on SOD, IRS, and Catcher. Your friend is correct in that the grooves toward the middle of the LP are smaller than the outside, so therefor more information needs to be put into smaller grooves.  When you get a song that has alot going on, especially higher notes, it is much more difficult for the stylus to read the information correctly, thus "innner groove" distortion.  In short, LPs can sound great and then get worse to horseshit at the end.  This is not true for all albums, but Chin Dem can be one of them.   

Putting it on 4 LPs would have indeed gone a long way to solve this issue, I would have paid extra $$.

Unfortunately the innner groove distortion is more of a mark on the vinly format, not the actual pressing of Chin Dem. The only way around this is alot of trial and error, and possibly $$$ for a better cartridge.  I am bringing my turntable along with Chin Dem to "needle doctor" and they are going to test it out and see what solution there is. 

^ Please post and let me know what happens at Needle Dr. However, nothing will fix the fact that the LP sounds terrible because they squeezed too much info on it

Chin Dem is not the first nor will it be the last LP to have this issue.  If this was an AC/DC LP with one guitar playing the same two chords over and over, there would be no issue. But chin dem has 2-4 guitars, synths, piano, orchestra, crazy druming, and axl's high vocals, so there is alot of information for the stylus to read, and therefor the cartridge needs to be aligned perfectly, which is what the needle doctor people are going to look at for me.  I am just as frustrated as you, as I upgraded my turntable just for this album, and to have SOD and Catcher sound like ass is a bummer.

Ahh the joys of analog.

I originally pre-ordered my vinyl from Best Buy, got the package from them a couple days later and it was empty, no vinyl just a receipt saying I ordered it, nice job Best Buy! I ended up going into my local Best Buy to get the vinyl.

Yea, my vinyls have fingerprints on them too...

dude, only shitty decks and/or cartridges 'hiss'

vinyl is leagues better than CDs, since it reproduces the actual wave and not samples of the wave

Yes.  If you play vinyl on crap, out comes crap.  Turntables are not like CD players, you have to get a decent table to get the benefits of vinyl. 

Hi guys,

I recently posted this question a few posts above this one and i didn't get a reply as of yet..   Im in no means rushing anyone nor am i trying to be a pest.  I just need to know your opinions on this Vinyl question.  I only own a few records as i didn't get into collecting them yet but may start soon.  I trust alot of people on this board because we all are true GNR Fans and the information here is usually solid as Jarmo does a great job with keeping this site as honest as you get.   So anyways, only reason i am asking again is because i need to pay for the record soon as i said i would pay a couple days ago and if the record this seller is selling is a copy than we can work a mutual agreement rather than me getting a no pay strike, as it is my new ebay account.

Thanks so much, appreciate it.  : ok:

Chinese Democracy is a 2 record set.

It seems legit to me.  Buyer bought it at BB and marked it up for profit.  He was prob mistaken about the single LP thing.

Any of you guys who got damaged albums tried to return them yet? What responce did you get?

Vinyl should be shiny new, not scratched and covered in finger prints.

The first prints on them should be from your own careless greasy paws.

This vinyl sucks, I'm totally disappointed. The only thing I feel good about is helping the band sell albums . I hope they issue a new one - SOMETHING to make up for the misfire. LP's are supposed to sound better than cd's, not worse. At least stop printing them! 

If you want this, wait, because they might reissue CD next year as a 3 or 4 (hopefully) LP set, as I imagine they will have lots of complaints. I heard the Portishead LP had similar issues

Fot those having that inner groove distortion issue, this cartridge pretty much solved the problem for me.

http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=ATC05&Category_Code=A3

I just ordered one. I can't believe I just payed $110.00 for a new stylus cartridge just to play GNR! And it's a crappy made vinyl at that! Oh well, I figured I'll have a good needle from now on  :hihi:

I think you'll be happy with it.  I had a cheaper a entry level cartridge on my table prior to this one, and I think you will notice the difference on all of your LPs. This is a "microline" stylus, which is smaller and is able to track the inner grooves much better, eliminating most of, if not all of that inner groove issue.  It worked for me and many others to solve this issue.    It also got rid of the skips on several of the songs.

can someone post a video on youtube of the vinyl playing? so i can get an idea what that inner groove sounds like?

My vinyl edition sucks big time, but the artwork is fantastic. Just buy the cd version it's great it's fantastic.  :) :) :) :)

Well, I went to Best Buy today and returned my scratched copy. I pulled another off the shelf, opened it up at the store, and it was scratched inside also! Blech! Well, needless to say, I asked for a refund, which I used to buy my 3 year old some Scrappy Doo. She loves that abrasive fucker for some reason. lol. Anyways, I guess I'll wait a few months and give it another go.   :crying:

I've been very disappointed with my vinyl edition as well... I have a pretty hi-end setup with Technics/Shure carts/Mackie monitors so I wasn't expecting my hardware to put any limitations.  Needless to say I've been experiencing poor audio quality as others have.  Pretty disappointing since I bought two copies (and I bought CD on iTunes).  Really *hope* this gets solved but am skeptical...

ALSO, my vinyl had fingerprints on it (NOT from me).  WTF!?!

I finally opened my vinyl, which I got from BB in Texas over the X-mas holidays. Mine had finger prints as well, and some pretty nasty scratches. During 'Madagascar" I get some pretty funky clipping noises. LOL. Not much I can do about this now as I live in Canada. I REALLY hope they re-release this whether it's 4 LP's or not, I want one without fingerprints and scratches!!! :)

Anyone been able to find out if we can do anything about this? Other than returning to a BB, which won't help me as they don't sell the vinyl in Canada.

Cheers,
AA.

mine is perfect!...no fingerprints or scratches.....and smell like fuckin vinyl.....love it!

Wow I had no clue they had an issue.....

I havent even taken mine out of the plastic...

played mine over the weekend for the 1st time. ( bought it Nov 23.)

I have a scratch on each album side and seems like something is funky with the string outro of Prostitute- the tone goes up & down as if the record changes speed but it is not my turntable at fault- is this the inner groove distortion people are talking about?