Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The Prostitute thread.





/jarmo

Interesting intro wasted by so so lyrics, at least in the first verse and chorus. Like "IRS" this song seems to pick up around the second verse and go from there. The multiple personality the song seems to have keeps me thinking about it. This has the potential to grow on me but isn't easy on the ears at first. The outro is a high point of the song for me. I wonder which came first, that outro or the thought that this song would finish the album? Either way it's a perfect end to the record, it gives you time to reflect on everything that just happened in the last 70 minutes or so.
3.5/5

I still cant listen the word prostitute in the song...he just doesnt say, unless he has something in his mouth while he is saying it 

But the word prostitute fits very well in the song. Its one of my favourites, i was blown away the first time i listened to the final version in CD. It has classic written all over it!!! its a 5/5

good song !! 4/5

I like it as a closer and as a song in its own right. Grows into a great climax before a peaceful resolution. One of Axl's better delicate vocal deliveries in the verses too.

One of the best tracks really, and I think that's the only one who hasn't changed so much from the leaks.

Maybe a longer guitar solo would be nicer, but overall is a great song, and one that will certainly be a hit live, as the drums are awesome!

Who does everyone think this is directed to? 

I think both this, as well as This I Love, are dedicated to Stephanie...

I was eh with this song when I heard it the 1st time. But man has it grown on me in such a short time. I can't stop singing it. I've listened to it 5 times already today. Might become one of my all time favs by years end.
"Why would I choose to prostitute myself" great fucking lyric.

perfect album closer....5/5

He says it...right toward the end of the song (4:14 mark):

"Ask yourself
why I would choose
to prostitute
myself
to live with fortune and shame"

Tommy Hilfiger's mother.

Anyone besides me notice that this piano riff is the one he plays to open November Rain at Lisbon?

i have the lyrics, i have the booklet in my hands, etc...what i was saying is that i cant listen him saying the word protitute. It just doesnt look like it. It looks hes saying something else...

I hear prostitute with a mumbled 'st'.

I'm not exactly sure how accurate I am with my depiction of the song...but if it's what I think it is...it's brilliant.  How it may not be literally prostitution giving money to girls for whatever the need is...being a rockstar and having so much money...girls will date you and use you just for your money and fame (fortune and shame) anyway.  Which isn't just true for rockstars but mainly anybody for that matter...which makes the common man able to relate to the song...

Although I may be entirely wrong about it...I've only heard it less than a handful of time...

Hmm idk i think maybe sorry or this i love would have been a better closer

Favorite Guns song.
About the old band, I think...
They all seem to be!!!

Splash

/Mike

No way!  The outro to this song is PERFECT for ending the cd...

Sure the song may not be as radio friendly or catchy as the other two...but the outro is absolutely perfect to end on...

I "get" from it that it's about being famous, in general.  And that there has to be some purpose to it beyond JUST being rich and famous.  That you're, in a sense, prostituting yourself...and if there's no grander purpose to that...if you're just doing whatever it is your doing to BE famous and BE "loved" by the fans and to have "lots of stuff"...you ARE just a prostitute.

It sounds like he's warning someone away from THAT....or, rather, seeing that they both set out on sort of the same path..with a loftier purpose (Axl's is artistic, obviously)...but the person he set out with seems to have lost their way a bit.

I DO think it might be to Stephanie.  It's sort of a companion piece to "Street of Dreams", IMHO.

Yeah that definitely makes sense.  He's a pretty deep guy...

Either meaning...I love it...and it makes total sense...

One of the things I LOVE about Axl's lyrics:  Very often, they can be meaningful in very different ways to very different people.  You can take completely different things away from his song based on what you bring INTO the song.

THAT'S art, IMHO. 

The ending is so sad because I know the record is over....still a GREAT song.

Either way it's a perfect end to the record, it gives you time to reflect on everything that just happened in the last 70 minutes or so.
3.5/5
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Nicely Put!

Very Dramtic and Real!

It's like putting all the years we've waited for into an hour that will last for many years to come.

In the context of the whole album and the musical, lyrical, and emotional journey it takes you on, this is my favourite track.

this is hands down the best track on the disc. no doubt in my mind. : ok:

To be honest, I don't much care for this track really. it didn't live up to the hype when I initially listened to it.

10/10 - Love the drums  :drool:

To me this is one of the best songs along with Sorry. The end is just fantastic it reminds me of that quietness out on the ocean after a strong storm. This album is too good.

The part when Axl starts screaming ...ask yourself .....  is my favorite part of the song, almost like the culmination of all the emotion

I absolutely love this song.  :love:  From the moment I heard it I knew it would be one of my favorite GNR songs ever. I can feel the emotion through his voice and the music and that to me is what music is and should be all about. 15/10  : ok:

This is a great song with a spectacular final two minutes.

When I hear the ending, I think of dark clouds in the sky, but with a ray of light breaking through--as if Axl is saying no matter how tough things get, there's always hope.

My favorite song so far, but I've only heard the final version once up to this point.

Very good song. good build up though out the song. Good at the end of the album with the outro  :beer: 4/5

I love this song for many different reasons. It's easy for me to relate to, as it seems to embody a manic depressive thought process. Moments of clarity and ease, snuffed out with fits of rage and adrenaline. It seems to loiter along the cusp of insanity, without going all in. Finally it wraps up nicely with what appears to be a self realization of tranquility and peace.

I think this might be the best song on the album!
 :beer:

It's a great song.  There couldn't be a more perfect ending to the album than the final words, combined with Bucket's last solo and the orchestral outro

hell ya! Bore 'em Sorum couldn't have done that.

This is the perfect closer in combination with This I Love.

Together, they nicely bring the strong relationship thread of the album to a close. This I Love is about never saying goodbye to someone you love. Overtly, it doesn't seem conducive to the idea of getting over someone, but I believe it is a goodbye of sorts. Loving someone that much, you never really get over it; you just learn to live with it.

The reason I talk about This I Love is that it really puts Prostitute into perspective for me. For the first time on the album, he's really seeing the relationship for what it was. Now that he's made his peace in This I Love, he can finally look at her objectively, and all he sees is a bitch who used him. Then it ends with him finding peace within himself.

Such a great song, and a great way to close the album.

5/5.

"Prostitute" and "This I Love" are insta-classics that go on any subsequent GN'R Greatest Hits package right next to "Sweet Child O' Mine" and "November Rain". A phenomenal song.

This song has looooooooooooong been rumored to be about Stephanie. I think Axl's damning her for having turned away from the challenge of a passionate and loving relationship in exchange for her "easy money" non-loving non-passionate relationship with Peter Brandt. She crippled something beautiful for $$$ and some sort of perverse false "security". A life w/o passion is a life w/o meaning and not well-lived. Axl's in pain for what she put him through... but she's ultimately in worse pain for the path she chose for herself. Something along those lines anwyay...

Cool to hear everyone's different interpretations. : ok:

Great song but can anyone else hear Rolf Harris's wobbleboard  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

WTF are those bubble noises

HAHA.... sounds like a submarine alarm (i.e. before it descends) or something??! Who the hell knows... but I like it!!:hihi:

Another beautiful song.  I love these piano driven tunes.

Man this is a great cd start to finish
I've listened to start to finish 8 times and I am at that stage of playing groups of songs and prostitute has grown on me so much
its a great tune which in my opinion is about Axl himself his expectations bourne on him with cd, his inner struggle to get it out and his perseverance in this project for his own reasons

Nice closer to this album

Yeah I'd like a longer guitar solo. I'd like more guitar work in general on that song. But it's none-the-less amazing. Fourth favorite.

PROSTITUTE, in my opinion, is Chinese Democracy's undisputed masterpiece.  wow.  the only song on the album to provoke tears.  amazing.

what about TIL? :P

I love prostitute,
It would of been cool though if he played that piano part quicker (like at the start of NR live/06/07 ) 
but I love how pitman finishes the song.

PROSTITUTE rocks............the end part is amazing and well finished. an excellent closer to a epic record

I love at the end, the very beginning of Bucket's solo starts kind of low and then quickly climbs forward in the mix and just soars out of the speakers.  That's an amazing bit of production right there, it sounds fucking awesome

I swear man that piano outro never gets old. Brilliant.

My favourite on the album and... the more I listen, the wider the gap becomes.

The lyrics that basically explain the album and why it is at it is, the almost "Infinite Sadness"-esque pianos and strings, the twinges of "Outside" era Bowie in the lyric rhythm and the digitally disintegrating guitars and... just... goddamn what an amazing outro. Sublime outro. An ending you just don't want to end, tying back into the little quiet moment in "Catcher" and expanding it into an ambient fade. The never-say-die-y-ness, to coin an awkward phrase.

Great as some of the other songs are, if I had to choose one song from Chinese Democracy to stand up with "Rocket Queen" and "Estranged" and "Coma" and "November Rain"... I'd go with "Prostitute".

I'm more and more impressed with this song for every listen it gets.

Very moving. Amazing to hear Axl getting as personal as this.

The outro on this song is just incredible to me, for some reason. Really resonates hard with me. Plus it can't help but invoke that feeling of "Here you are. You Just listened to Chinese Democracy. This is it", among many other things.

I LOVE the song but also was wondering the exact same thing.  What is up with the "Pop Up Video" bubble sounds in "Prostitute?" I dont think I like them, or maybe I am just not used to them. This is one of my favorite songs...and the part where Axl sings "I got a message for you" sends chills down my spine....but now the bubbles just sort of take me out of the song. They come back again towards the end of the song. And seem to come from nowhere. If it was coming from a funky keyboard/synth sound that was prominent in the song I'd understand...but just sort of come out of nowhere.
Every time I hear it I think of "Pop Up Video" and Eddie Murphy's "Fart Game" skit - farting in the bathtub. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv57I7GLSL8

I dont see where the bubble sounds are originating from.  As I said, if they were coming from a synth effect or keyboard effect and it was continuously in the song, it would work for me - but the fact that is just appears during that line - then again towards the end of the song, seemingly from nowhere, it is more of a negative than a positive for me as it takes me out of a song that I am completely absorbed in and emotionally attached to at those times.

Can't get into this one... It kind of drifts along and doesn't hold my attention, and I find the drums to be overly busy and not complimentary to the song.

Would have rather 'Sorry' were used to end the album.

To me this is the Estranged of this Album.....I know it's stupid to compare but for strictly song power and lyric its soo good.

Usually, I skip over the ballads and piano tunes, but this one is so good, so personal. This is a song that makes Chinese Democracy totally worth it to me. It's beautiful, tragic, and damn, if I can't figure out why it's call Prostitute. But it is one of my new favorite songs. Seriously, one of my favorite of all time.

When he sings 'up and awaaaay', it tears me up.  The emotion in his voice just strikes a chord with me.

And I feel this is the song where he explains why he's been the way he was for all these years and what he doesn't want to become - prostituting himself to fortune and shame. 

streamlined, have to pull through, and look for a new beginning.  It's the perfect ending.

Listen to the lyrics and you'll understand the reasoning behind the title.



Hell yeah. This song speaks to me in ways I couldn't imagine possible, it's fucking brilliant. One of the best GN'R songs ever and a perfect way to end the best album in history.

Does anyone hear like a whisper voice right after Axl sings " Seems like forever and the day " ?

It sure seemed like forever and a day...great way to close the album,  this song is dominated by a huge nostalgic mood all over it.

I do hear something...almost like fingers sliding down guitar strings.

Yeah, I hear the whispers. It kind of whips around the left and right channels.

What bubble noises are you talking about?

Do you mean at the end where it's just orchestra and piano?

If that's what you're talking about, I think we can draw a comparison to the outro of Karma Police.

In the outro, Ed O'Brien plays a few notes on his guitar, which are distorted by overloading an AMS rackmount digital delay unit and turning the delay rate knob down.

this song is seriously growing on me....the outro reminds me very distinctly of Beethoven Piano Concerto #5, 2nd Movement, which to this point is the most beautiful music i've ever heard. This has the same sort of vacating feeling (Beethovens was written about the Austrian emporer's son, i believe-his best friend-leaving Vienna when Napoleon was invading) and depending on the mood it can be sad or uplifting. But it is surprisngly beautiful and tender.

all in all, my favourite on CD...I think

For me, the best part of this song is the last 1:30/1:45 of the song. The outro to me is just amazing and beautiful.  :)

I hear some similarities to Shackler's Revenge in the chorus. You can fit in the lyrics there, almost.

It first appears when Axl sings "I've got a message for you..." and lasts a bit.

It then goes away but comes back for the last verse of the song. 

Is that from a guitar effect or a synth?  It seems to come out of nowhere which makes it a bit distracting.

I know what you're saying.. It reminds a lot of that dolphin guitar sound from Estranged.. but in a diferent context / lower tone, isn't it??

Underneath the riffs and Bucket's outro (4:20 - and also on 3:04) there's another amazing guitar work going on (I don't know how to call it: solo, lick, or anything else). Using a voice removal device or program can make it louder / more clear.

About 2 or 3 years ago someone out there described Prostitute as a song in which BH sounds like a "Crazy Pinball Machine". And that's the exact descripition of what is heard on those parts.

He's just awesome. The most skilled guitar player out there.

Thanks to Uncle Axl, we have him on the album.

There are great movements in this song. If Axl has existed years ago, I believe he would have become the Mozart of his era. He has a great ear for the unique. Much like Paul McCartney in the 60s

the song is fucking epic.    Its my favorite GnR track and the perfect close to the perfect album.   Its so huge.

Perfect song, that's all I can say.

Those bubble noises do distract a little when I listen on headphones, wtf are they? lol.

heard them yesterday :P i was like "wtf is this"   :hihi:

I like to think of them as some crazy Indian drums rather than bubble noises.  :hihi:

Think about it though, sounds like the opening drum lick in TWAT.

probably Pittmans work...

Okay I'm glad it isn't just me.  Those "bubble noises" are super distracting listening on headphones!  "Pop-Up Video" comes to mind.  Good track though. 

ive never noticed any bubble sounds, but i love the synth arrangements.  and the changes in the song are incredible.... every instrument and nuance creating a plethora of sounds pleasing to the mind!  my favorite GNR song EVER.  the lyrics are better than anything axl has ever written.

 My favorite song since I have the album. 3 days. It's just too good. The end sounds like the calm after a huge storm.

I like the lyrics of this song. I like when he talks about a new beginning. It's like he's talking about his current line-up.

I actually like that effect... weird that I only noticed it on headphones too.

This song is one my least favs. I usually hit the skip button and go right back to CD. The song just does nothing for me and is one of weakest, in my HO.

;D

You're kidding, right?

This is one of the greatest G N' R tracks ever (!!!).

Seriously,

this is the only song ever, that just simply keeps getting better and better and better with more listenings..
I don't know what there is but...something is just there..
and the outro is perfect, its's like a movie saying "stay tuned for the sequal.."

- Hanoi Guy-

Indeed, and probably one of the best album closers ever.

Right on.

:peace:

I am pretty shocked at some of the thoughts put forth by some of the commenters.  To me it's clear what this song is about or addressed to: the fans of G n' R.

"Seems like forever and a day" - Axl's referencing his period away.
"If my intentions are misunderstood, Please be kind, I?ve done all I should" - Axl refering to everyone asking why CD is taking so long.  He is responding by saying that, as an artist, he had to complete something that he felt was a worthy accomplishment.  Note, this line makes it clear to me that he is saying he knows he was right in taking the amount of time.  A true artist should focus on their vision of their art.
"What would you say If I told you that I?m to blame And what would you do If I had to deny your name Where would you go if I told you I love you And then walked away" Telling the fans that he had to walk away to do what he considered to be a strong piece of art.  Indicating that he would miss the fans, but needs to walk away.

So on and so forth.  Not going to requote the whole song but it's clear that Axl is saying that he needed to walk away and focus on his art - regardless of the price.  Ballsy.

Probably not... the song was rumoured to be on the album from the beginning... before the 6 or 7 years of waiting.

Heard the song being played in a store on Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles earlier today....



/jarmo

That's an interesting perspective. I guess it's open for interpretation. What about "I saw the damage in you"? That's sort of an intimate line. Not sure how it could be applied to a large group of people.


Melrose Avenue? That's awesome.

My thoughts exactly.

I do however go a bit further and say...everytime I hear the outro I see Axl with a smile on his face. Something like after all the bullshit, doubts, critics, struggles he got rid of all his deamons and let it all out.

Prostitute is like the final credits track of the movie Chinese Democracy. I see the album as a rollercoaster story that leaves with you the best feeling in the final moments of prostitute.

Doesn't it happen to you that when you hear the album from start to finish you end up with a very possitive feeling? to me everytime I hear Prostitute I feel a little more relieved. My own troubles and problems seem like they are not there anymore.

This is one of the most powerful songs ever written. 

Nice! What brings you to Los Angeles? Do you know something we don't?

 ;D

I live minutes from Los Angeles. We should meet up for a few beers.

 8)

Look outside!

It's November and I'm not wearing my usual winter clothing.....

 8)


/jarmo

Yes...a beautiful blue sky at the ass-end of November...a rarity indeed.
 
8)

its only a 4 hour drive to Vegas jarmo :D

Thats awesome they were playing prostitute in a store.   Its still my favorite track on the album.

Well, that line does pop out to me.  I'm going to be in the minority on this board but I think this is in reference to what the gnr band was at the time that they disbanded.  I've always felt that UYI albums didn't come out exactly as Axl had envisioned.  I always felt that Axl wanted to create the "Great American Record" that would be all things to all people.  That's why there was such a mix of ballads, mid-tempo, and rockers.  While UYI were tremendous albums, I've always felt that Axl expected something more grand.  I think he wanted UYI's to be the standard by which all other music was measured.  I feel this way because a couple of interviews he took part in.  One he indicated "I want to blow AFD out of the water".  Well, that's a pretty tough standard.  Another was in reference to NR.  He indicated that if the song wasn't recorded exactly how he envisioned, he'd leave the business.  It's a great and classic song but maybe Axl expected it to be greater.  With that being said, I do think this quote is indicating that he didn't think gnr, in it's former state, could complete what he envisioned as the "Great American Record". 

In terms of the question relating to when Axl wrote the song...say it was written 6 years ago, that would bring us to 2002.  The band was essentially MIA since 1991 (I understand that SI was recorded during UYI sessions).  In other words, he had already been absent for 11 years and at that point in time, CD was nowhere in sight.

Just my personal opinion but I do think really think it's about Axl wanting to fulfill his ambitions to step away in an effort to create the great american record.

does anyone else thinks that it is a bit on too fast tempo like someone put it on 45rpm instead of 33,3rpm, like somoene rushed to close the album ?  :D

anyway, it is a great song for the great closing of the great album  : ok:

Love this fucking song... LOVE IT!!!

I'm going to have to give PROSTITUTE another day in court..Funny some are saying it's a great song to close an album..I was just comparing it to other closers, Rocket Queen and Coma..Would it be fair to consider You Could Be Mine the closer fr UYI II w/ Don't Cry (alt. lyrics) and My World as bonus tracks?
So where does PROSTITUTE rank w/ these closing songs?

I respect this perspective, but in the same sense I think GNR fans sort of overanalyze lyrics. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think Axl's just singing about girls or relationships in his life in general, not about this album. It's really cool how you interpret that way though.

can someone tell me what Axl means when he says:
why would they
to tell me please those
that laugh in my face
when all of the reasons
theyve taught us
fall over themselves
to give way

can someone tell me what hes talking about ?? thanks


im a little disappointed that the lyrics in Prostitute arent properly matching in the booklet. I dont even think some words that are printed are even in the song.

Year bud, is all about Stephanie Seymour, loud n' clear...and you don't have to be any kind of genious to realize that...let the songs keep going... : ok:

1. I think the "bubbles" is a reference to Bubbles in Trailer Park Boys  :hihi:

2. Does Axl really sing "Perversion and pain"? To me it sounds like "Fortune and fame"

I love this song more and more with every listen, and by now it's more like an addiction. Pure genius. Estranged #2.

he sings both lol
"ask yourself why i would choose to prostitute myself to live with fortune and shame"

and

"all it amounts to is love that you fed by pperversion and pain "  :peace:

Kinda funny when you hear it the first time and think it sounds familiar, only to realize that Axl used to play the piano part before November Rain on the last tours....

 ;D




/jarmo

I love the song and the ending is just great as it closes the album, but I don't like those bubble noises there ... Or I don't get why they have been added ;D

I didn't even notice the bubble noises until someone here pointed them out.  I can block them out easily enough.  Is it some kind of weird effect possibly from whatever the hell that "sub-bass" thing is?

Wasn't it claimed at one point that Duff left the band because he didn't want to record Prostitute, that it was a very thinly-veiled attack on the old band members?  Not sure entirely, but I seem to remember that being said at some point.

Seems like forever, and a day... :love:

I just have to say, that my favorite piece from the whole album is the part in my signature

The way the music kicks in to meet the lyrics sends a chill down my spine

Yeah I alway's wondered what he was playing in the intro to November Rain.  Now I know  :smoking:

Did he play that on the whole tour because I don't remember it but then again I only went to 2 shows and Jarmo went to like 900 ;D

Next up:  what was the other intro he played in 2002, at NYC and Boston.  That thing was epic!  I'd suspected it was This I Love, but it wasn't.  I hope it's a new track because it has this amazingly elegant, classic feel just like This I Love's instrumental has

unfortunately the "pop up video" sound effects ruin it for me. otherwise it would be a phenominal song. it's all i hear when i listen and it doesn't fit the song or sound interesting IMO. it sounds like someone tried to screw up the song. and in my mind i keep seeing bubbles with little tidbits about the song.  :hihi:

Where can I find trustworthy lyrics of this song. "Ask yourself..." What I would do, why I would choose ?  :rant:

More and more impressive every time I listen to it--especially Axl's vocals. They are a little different for him, at least for how I think of his best vocals, so the raw emotion in them didn't hit me right away. I always like the ambient ending--reminds me very strongly of particular ambient tracks on Moby's Animal Rights. I sort of like it as much as Rocket Queen and Coma, although they are nothing alike, as far as providing powerful conclusions.

I like the outro. It's soothing. And by the time I realise I'm listening to the outro I think 'holy fuck, I just listened to the whole thing AGAIN.' which is a damned good sign for the whole album, I think.


My simple theory is that this song is for SS, and TIL is for EE. But I may be incredibly wrong...and for all we know it could be about a multitude of different people and events.

That's what Axl said.

A wonderful song.

To be honest I dont really like the first minute or so, its a tad wet and cheesy, and personally i feel Axls vocals are overproduced....its hard to follow most of the lyrics in his high voice due to production.

Those gripes aside its a wonderfully powerful piece of music that I think would sound great live. Id take this song over november rain any day....which i find quite bland other than the excellent outro.

The outro on Prostitute finishes the album perfectly.

My 2nd favorite song on the album after "This I Love". It's a beauty... "Estranged" compressed into 6 minutes of "fire and ice". :drool:

The outro is absolutely stunning too...

Best outro I've heard...I'm doing something similar for my album.

Absolutely amazing song to finish an fantastic cd, the lyrics are special and they are healtfelt the tempo picks up and grinds this song, it just kicks your ass! The piano, the drums, the guitar, the music is so complex and I just wish I had the right system to blow the neighbors off the block with this one!

In the booklet? I haven't read that. :P 

the passage "ask yourself [...] to live with fortune and shame" is one of my favourite part in the album

a great song.

When he came online last week.

/jarmo

so pretty much it's about whoever Axl is thinking about when he sings it?  Hmmmmmmmmmmm....that'd be the question to ask the man, then. Who does he think about when he sings it?

This song really grew on me a lot and it's now one of my favorites. at first i thought it was so- so but now i love it.  :beer:

I guess what he was saying in a different reply is that the song should be more about who you're thinking about when you listen to it.

great track...very different from anything that GNR have ever done...this is probably the most unique sounding track on the album...I love every second of this song...

This song ROCKS!!!

Love the drums! Kinda "unusual"  (if that makes sense...)   :)

Great fuckin' lyrics!  "Ask yourself / Why I would choose / To prostitute myself / And live with fortune and shame"

Can't wait to hear this one live. It's right up there with Estranged, at least in my book...

Speaking of Estranged, didn't Axl say in one of his recent chats, that they were considering to play it live again...?  (Couldn't find the quote...) 

yes he said in the first chat something like 'maybe', but also later said he is more focused on new songs now for tour and I really hope so...

either way its win win for the fans,
however I cant wait for prostitute and Riad live :D :D

as I already said I can't wait to hear Chinese Democracy in whole live ... that would be amazing :D

Yea my thought exactly. I would be really really cool with GN'R just performing Chinese Democracy sequentially from beginning to end in concert. That would be amazing. Axl, seriously please consider this. This album is too brilliant, and I wouldn't substitute no not one goddamn song for a old GN'R song. If anything, play one of the classics in between some Chinese Democracy song but not in place of them.

This is for Jarmo, Hey buddy this just came to my mind so I got tell you now,remember years ago,around 2001 or 2002 (you have to remember)I've mentioned here few times that GN'R had a song called Prostitute,and totally you refused to believe there was a song called prostitute by GN'R. Most of those songs from the new Album were written and composed years ago,I just wanna mention it again that in fact there's a song by GN'R called Prostitute.   :rofl:

Umm, sure.

The title was first mentioned in 1999 in an article in Spin magazine.




/jarmo

I was listening to this song earlier and i found myself thinking "oh damn, it's almost over."

after prostitute is cd  (again) on my players.  :P

yeah, to have the whole thing on repeat is the only way to go :P

Does anyone know if Axl brought in someone, and who they were to perform the last minute and a half of this song? Every time I hear it, I love it more and more. I think it's an absolutely beautiful piece of music! What a great closing to a song and album.

:love:

still not getting this song....don't get me wrong, I LOVE CD, but haven't been able to appreciate this song a much as others..

how can one not appreciate prostitute? :rant: :hihi:

-velimir

I think outta of all the ballads on Chinese Democracy this is the best one.

It's impossible to say, it's probably Axl/Pitman/Dizzy

I know those guys are talented, but I don't think they play orchestral instruments.

Yeah, but the outro sounds to me like synths emulating an orchestra ala November Rain, as opposed to the real strings during the song itself

If it's synth orchestra then it's dizzy and chris. They're credited in the booklet.

I love this part of the lyrics- find myself singing this verse loudly when I've got it in the truck:

What would you say
If I told you that I'm to blame?
And what would you do
If I had to deny your name?
Where would you go if I told you
I love you
And then walked away?
N' who should I turn to
If not for the ones
You could not save

Orchestras and orchestra arrangements are credited to Buckmaster and Beltrami on Prostitute.

We need answers and we need them fast.

They did a magnificent job. Thanks Garry.  :)

Yeah:

Orchestra: Marco Beltrami, Paul Buckmaster

Orchestral Arrangement: Marco Beltrami, Paul Buckmaster, Dizzy Reed

Synth Orchestra: Dizzy Reed, Chris Pitman

Amazing tune... Great finish to the album in my opinion.

Where are these "bubbles" people keep talking about?


 :peace:

In the middle of the song, dawg.

Idea of what time, G?


 :peace:

Hold on, lemme hit that bitch up.


The bubble makes its first appearance at the 1:23 mark.  And continues to make its presence felt a lot more after the 1:42 checkpoint.

The bubble returns at the 3:24 mark.  And at the 3:38 point.  And we last hear the bubble at 3:42.

Get down.

Damn nigga. Dis be whack.  :rofl:


Thanks mate.  : ok:


 :peace:

Real talk dude, real talk.

(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1325/213/24/716682922/n716682922_1212468_7271.jpg)

Schiphol airport, Amsterdam!

 ;)



/jarmo

Did you take a Prostitute there?  : ok:


 :peace:

you gotta be kidding me,Fudda,I know you all have been disappointed and shit about the whole thing that has kept you waiting and writing crap here for years,maybe some of you have gone mental already,but sayin' that you prefer this new album,by the way(still has not sold shit) than the GN'R classic ones,you know what that make you look,you don't look like a GN'R fan at all,so think before you talk.

I still can't hear it. I hear kick drum but thats the only thing that sounds anything remotely like "bubbles".


 :peace:

Get better headphones/stereo?

Same goes for you.


Your whole post is stupid.

It's a matter of personal taste.


/jarmo

Newsflash: not everyone is going to share your opinion.   Doesn't make them any less GnR fans or music fans.   People all have different taste.   Prefering this material to previous Guns songs does NOT make anyone an idiot.  The idiots are the ones who prop up old music and refuse to accept that some people might prefer something newer.  Fans of all bands have these types, not just Guns.  Somehow if the classic shit isn't your favorite, you're somehow not a fan, and thats bullshit.

IMO, Prostitute reaches every level of 'epic' that songs like Estranged and Coma previously reached.

All this time loving this album, i never stopped to think what that make me look... damn. Thanks for setting me straight.

 :rofl:

I love Chinese Democracy more than you hate yourself.

I personally hope this is the next single......for me its this albums coma...( albeit vastly different styles)
Ive played the album to a lot of people and Prostitute is the most commonly like song it seems......opinions have ranged from' yeh thats pretty good' to 'wow' often from people who expected CD to suck and were just waiting to hate it.

I know, right?...it sounds like pop -up video

I can only assume people are talking about the double-kick.. otherwise I have no idea what the fuck everyone's blabbering about.

Thats what I was thinking. We should start our own club called the "No Bubbles Club" If Bubbles from TPB wants in we'll let him but thats it.  : ok:


 :peace:

no double-kick only double-bubbles :P ...

I absolutely love the outro on this song.  completely awesome.

You have to listen to the song in high quality and good speakers to hear the bubbles, and no, it's not drums.

whoa, I just heard them, and all I can say is:

Why?

they are very distracting.

Don't know why they are there either. I love the demo and the finished song, but the bubbles noises are distracting and they sometimes take me away of the song.

I've heard them on low quality phones, high quality phones, and in my car on the stereo riding over a bumpy road.

They are there.  They don't distract me, I think the bubbles are pretty tight.

agreed - it's still a total kick ass song.

Of course it is :) It's just that I'd like to know / get why they are there for.

Best song on the album IMO, beautiful lyrics, massive guitars, just...perfect!  :peace:

The bubbles are a reference back to the baby coming out of the bath in the Don't Cry video.

Also, take a look at the Estranged video, when Axl is under the shower - in a subliminal way - more bubbles!

It all amounts to bubbles and the symbolism of water - rebirth, new life, baptism etc.

Hope that helps!  :)

Personally I've never heard any bubbles.

i find them really distracting at the "oooooooo ive got a message for you" part

other than that i dont really care

^ Ive played that song a LOT and never caught the bubbles till you mentioned which lyric they were heard at.   

Now I'm going to hear them every time, dammit! :rant: :hihi:

Still my favorite song on the album.

This song is definitely intended to be a Estranged #2, and I think it had the potential to do be so.

But I think the amount and change of emotions are not apparent in Prostitute. It is very short and fast. It ends before you know it, and you cannot keep up with the change of moods in the song. Instrumental parts (like guitar solos) are very very short in the song like in the whole album. They are nt given enough room, but sound like they are squeezed in between. It is like a commercial compared to a film.

I am not dissing the song, but I think it needed a lot more room to reflect its intended grandiosity. At the moment it seems like a user-friendly epic song, which fails to be both user-friendly and epic while trying to be both.

If Estranged was Prostitute #2, it would be a huge success in my perception. But Prostitute, as a predecessor, is clearly falling short when comparing with the greatness of Estranged, especially when you consider released 16 years later than it. Still it is a very good song, which cries aloud to be longer and more elaborated.

Oh, the intro sound very much like late Queensryche.

This song does nothing for me and is a weak ending to the album in my opinion. It is nothing like Estranged.

Ohh yes there are bubbles in the song.  Are they there on purpose?   


Anyway the song is beauitiful through and through.

The solo is like drowning someone who is tripping on acid.  :peace:

My absolute favorite song on the album. If the album consisted of nothing but this, it would have been worth the wait.

what ???


that why the bubbles. I still can't hear them.  :-\

I don't think they are bubbles, I think its the sound of tommy's bass.

Agreed 100%

Utterly superb song

I don't understand how people can compare estranged and prostitute; estranged is just an avarage rock song with some interesting parts while prostitute is amazing song with amazing combination of everything ending one amazing album ...

ah well, I guess to each his own ...





-velimir

yes, well, some people (me) happen to think Estranged is the greatest song ever written.  :P

The bubbles remind me of VH-1's pop up video.

I love the way the drum kicks in at 0:58 and blows the soundscape wide open, great tune

I still can't hear the bubbles.

I've learned many of the most diehards of the diehard agree with Wooody on estranged. so it's not too strange that this song invites comparison with estranged.
and estranged is not an average rock song. First I heard it I thought it was meant for a film score.

Prostitute is such a wicked number to conclude this magnificent album with. "if my intention are misunderstood, please be kind".
graceful.
Isn't it unburdening his mind to the listeners? Works Kinda like a postscrip.

I would say its a Top 5 on the CD. 

I don't disagree that people can have different opinions. I just said mine and I stand behind it : ok: ...





-velimir

IMO Estranged is far moe than an average rocker, it is for me the greatest song ever.
It's epic, the guitars are superb, as are axls lyrics and vocals, the song just flows seamlessly between two ends, it just is unfaultable

Have you listened to this song (and album!) on headphones?  I generally don't notice the "bubbles" when I'm playing it through speakers, but it's clear as day on decent headphones.

Well I'll be damned.  Sounds like the 'pop-up video' bubbles (for those of you old enough to remember this). 

No I don't use headphones as I can't keep still while listening to music.

I was sceptical as my stereo was supposed to be ok but as you said so, I tried with additional speakers for surround sound and sit back at a short distance and

hell you're right! :o
It's as if I'm suddenly in an aquarium. Is it his little mermaid friend?

I agree with you about the comparison piece...  But to me, it's just because Prostitute needs to stand the test of time before that comparison can be made!  Estranged has to be one of the top 10 songs ever IMO.  Prostitute is definitely up there among the best songs I'm currently listening to, and may well be right there with Estranged in a few years...  Both are just phenonemal songs!

I really like this one and the lyrics. I know Axl wants us to have our own interpretation of them so to me they are directed to the fans and talking about the record itself and the challenges Axl and who followed him has gone thru meanwhile. IMO no other song in this album would fit better as the ending, because this gives a feeling of "done", "issues resolved", i'm in peace now", that sort of thing.



If the song is really inspired by Stephanie Seymour and is from that era, it makes sense to think the bubbles are a direct reference to rebirth, like there are such references in the trilogy don't cry/november rain/estranged videos. The new beggining thing is a frequent subject for Axl.

This is the last thing I always listen to as I fall asleep.

What a perfect way to end the day.

Me...also, headphones on, so relaxing : ok:

and one of the best songs to ever close out an album. easily one of the most powerful and moving songs that axl has ever written. i'm not sure that i have ever been this moved by an one song. right up there with some of the timeless greats.

this is the song!

At first this song did not convince me. But now I love it. It's like the younger brother of Estranged. You can feel in both of them the Axl's magic. Altough, I sure that Slash would have done a very much work on that. "Prostitute" deserved an awesome guitar solo. A "very good" song (like Prostitute) may turn into a CLASSIC song with a big guitar solo.

eat fuckin shit and die already  ::)

 :rofl:  That's pretty harsh.  :rofl:


 :peace:

I agree, I'd love an epic and longer ronnie, finckster or buckethead solo on it

God forbid someone have an honest opinion ::)


This is a great song and has been one of my favorite since day one. This is definitely some of Axl's finest moments ever recorded.

lyrically, vocally it is just truly astounding.

I can't bash the above poster. The solo is good but I would love some great melodic guitar lines in there but it is still powerful and epic.

garry, is that you?

Im sure I will get bashed for this but Prostitute IMO and my opinion only isn't on the Estranged level. Estranged however is my favorite GNR song. That and Coma are my two favorites ever.


Estranged is just above Every single song ever written for me. Out of all the music in the history of the world, it is my favorite song of all time, so that is no slight on Prostitute or anything else


Estranged is a song that has literally saved my life a few times. It is my go to song. I have even coined it as a mood of mine when I am about to fall off the cliff.

the song just has a mood and tone to it and Axl's vocals are just on another level. the way his voice changes from the intro to the end.

Musically, NOTHING touches Estranged. It has so many epic parts. the beginning to Slash's melodies and I don't give a shit who u are, u can't take anything away from those guitar melodies.

Then u have the great mellow piano instrumental that is filled with so much "HOPE" and it brings u from the depths of despair of the first part to the possibility that u could possibly start anew and maybe find some happiness in life.


The last half of that song when Axl comes in with the vocals IS THE GREATEST 4 minutes or so of music in rock history


I always say that and the last 2 and a half minutes or so of Coma are some of the greatest things ever written



Prostitute pretty much keeps the same mood,music,tempo and theme throughout which is why it isn't on that kind of level


Great song don't get me wrong, but I put it more on a Patience, Don't Cry  Kind of level.

That I meant. More guitar melodies to the long of the song.

Do I know you from somewhere, Rocker?  :hihi:

Here you got a clue. See you in 2011.  :hihi:

It takes a special kind of person to try to take the topic, "Prostitute", and try to make it about a former guitarist and songs recorded when he was in the band.

What, you guys got lonely in the reunion thread?


D, I'm glad you love Estranged. I do too, but what the fuck does it have to do with the song Prostitute?




/jarmo

People were comparing the two songs, someone said they liked it better etc and I was weighing in on the post.


Just given a different perspective of the comparison

I did back up everything with valid points and reasons though.

you did it by babbiling off topic about the old lineup like you always do

ok i can hear the bubbles now.

they sound kinda like the sound on the old sonic the hedgehog game when you had to get air on the underwater levels.


still loving this song, one of the best on the album.

yeah, this type of "fan" behavior  seems to be pretty common throughout the communities i've noticed. it's fucking bullshit. every gnr forum that i've come across has a section for people who can't get over the past, yet they like to subtly (and i use that word loosely) take any topic, no matter what it is, and bring up some asshole loser who has been out of the band for 13 years. i feel both annoyed by and sorry for these people. must be a pretty sad life to be so hung up on the past that you fail to recognize just how great the present is.

if the present isn't their thing, they are entitled to that opinion.  i have no problem with that.

I just have a problem with having to read their posts on a Guns N' Roses board in the year 2009.    No need to keep coming to a board about a band you no longer like just for the sake of annoying the fans who have continued to enjoy GnR and their evolution over the years.   It reeks of bitterness and I can't imagine how any of these people have very happy personal lives.

i completely agree. you don't like the new music? great. thanks for taking the time to register at a fan community of the band just to tell us that. i certainly don't understand the rationale that the album "sucks". not your thing? cool. to me, "sucks" just reeks of the bitter idiots who refuse to accept that axl has been able to keep the band alive, active, and releasing some of the band's strongest work to date.

i apologize to the mod team in advance for being off-topic,  i just get tired of seeing it. hell, it's nearly impossible to post at "gnr's biggest fan community" without some idiots with pics of slash in their signature throwing the bird and bitching about how "gnr needs brought back". back from what? they are relasing albums and hoping to tour this calendar year. it's impossible to have normal conversations there about gnr today without being harassed, bitched at, and told that you are stupid. yeah, what real fans.

First all, relax or you're gonna have a ejaculation. Second, what the problem is if I have a pics of Slash and say that I really like songs as Prostitute, Catcher and IRS but songs as Madagascar, Scheckler or Scraped are not great songs at all or if I say that Bumble and Fortus are amazing guitars but Finck destroy most of the guitars solos. I think you should be more tolerant, or you prefer a comumunity where everyone thinks the same way? That's too buring. Diversity is very much interesting.

I love Prostitute, and it reminds me Estranged so it is normal that I compare it to or talk about Slash or any former Guns when I mean Prostitute. For example, Schackler's Revenge reminds me Rob Zombie, is there any problem if I talk about RZ?. I don't think so, the problem is old Guns. Do not be hysterical, It's the same band, do not forget that. (Axl wanted this way)

You're pretty much inviting everybody to post in the Ex-gunners section about how much better the GN'R material is to whatever they're doing today.

Just remember that.  : ok:




/jarmo

see Jim Bob this is where u are somewhat hypocritical

U say this band is GUNS N ROSES right?

Well, seeing how this band is GUNS N ROSES

It is fair to compare music from different eras of the band as long as u are intelligently arguing and aren't just saying shit like

SLASH RULES   NEW BAND SUCKS  which I do not do

What the fuck is with the dumb shit "Get over the past"


OH, because there is a new band I am no longer suppose to love Estranged? I am no longer suppose to love AFD or UYI or Lies or whatever else?

I just find u guys and the way u act to be ridiculous, as if the old era of the band seize to no longer exist or something.

Its just bullshit.

If anybody comes on here and wants to compare songs, we can do so but do it by representing what the song is *WHICH I DID*

I prefaced everything in my argument and no where did i say that Slash or whoever else was the sole reason this was greater than this.


Prostitute is a very good song, I disagree with anybody saying it is on an Estranged level or better than Estranged.

This is a message forum. On message forums, people debate their opinions which is what I did.


It seems to me like a couple people on here don't read entire posts and make assumptions based on a couple of lines


Last I checked, Estranged is credited to Axl Rose, so what? I am a hater cause I prefer an Axl song from 1991 better than one from 2008?


So in case people are keeping score this is what u have to do to be a new fan in 2009:


U have to also like 2009 Axl better than 1991 Axl. ::)

I don't necessarily agree though. I like a lot of CD songs way better than some older songs but as I said, I don't like Estranged better cause its Old GNR. I like it better cause it is just hands down one of the greatest pieces of music ever done.  Doesn't matter if the old band got back together, doesn't matter if The Beatles were resurrected, That song in music history is and will always be my favorite.

If you guys are so into comparisons between present and past, why not?


Personally I think it's stupid.

Either I like something or I don't. If I like it, does it matter if it's better or worse than something else?




/jarmo

It just all depends IMO

I mean comparing Prostitute to a song like Estranged should be considered EXTREMELY positive seeing as Estranged is consistently rated as the greatest GNR song ever.

How Jim Bob and others can take that as an insult is just a head scratcher for me.

That's like if Led Zeppelin released a new CD telling fans they should forget about all the previous classic songs and stop living in the past.  All artists are compared to their previous work.

When Pearl Jam releases a new album, don't most compare it to previous albums?

I could see if people were just bashing to be bashing, that I don't agree with.

I mean it isn't like we are on here comparing Prostitute to You Ain't The First or So Fine or something.

To be mentioned in the same sentence as Estranged is a pretty damn good thing IMO.

Maybe you can understand that some are tired of the comparisons?

The music can stand on its own.



/jarmo

Sure, I agree but if a group of posters start the comparison and I don't agree, I feel the need to weigh in.

what exactly about 'estranged' being your favorite song has anything to do with discussion of the song 'prostitute'? it doesn't. like the admin said, it's just dumb making such comparisons. especially in a thread that is about 'prostitute'. all that shit does is starts people arguing about what's better, then before you know it, the thread is being littered with comments like, "slash's solo kicks ass" in a thread that has jack shit to do with the asshole.

i don't believe for a second, that you fail to see this. it's just certain people's subtle (again, i'm using the word loosely) way of making jabs and being a shit stirrer. you want to talk about songs that were released 18 yrs ago, i fail to see how the 'prostitute' thread is the place to do so. sorry. ::)

Its not about what I say, it is what it is.

Some people just want to dwell on the past and talk about the old days, and they'll turn any topic possible into that new vs old tired ass bullshit.   Its because they are sad bitter people.   Its not as bad on this board as it is in other places.  Its a little more subtle here because you guys know its not welcomed by the admin on this site. 

so i just get really really fucking tired of hearing about comparisons to ex-members or seeing slash become the topic of discussion in the guns n roses section when that guy hasn't been relevant to the band in over 13 years now.   

If we must talk about ex-members, cant it be guys like Buckethead or Paul Huge or Josh Freese?  at least then we're in the same era and they all contributed to the latest album.

I don't recall talking about Slash exclusively.  I commented on the guitar melodies throughout Estranged BUT I also commented on the vocals, lyrics, piano breakdowns and overall generally feel and mood of the song.

I could see your argument if I came on here an said.

Bucket's solo at the end sucks If it had been Slash, this song would be awesome!!!!!!!

That would be a shitty post and validate what you responded with.


I didn't post anything even remotely like that.


I said, I'd love to hear some guitar melodies throughout the song.

now u interpret this as me saying "if SLash were playing etc etc

I didn't say that. Bucket especially has proven that he is way more than capable of doing that. So when I comment on a song, I am not doing it with an agenda like "WELL if Slash were playing like"

Same with This I Love and I am going completely off topic with this but I would have loved to hear what bucket could've done with that solo.

i think most fans agree that the 'this i love' solo is great as is. i'm not surprised to see you commenting that you wish it would have been someone else. it seems to fit with your agenda that we're speaking of.   ::)

Agenda?  That is hilarious. Bucket's solo on "Sorry" is just out of this world amazing and I'd love to have heard what he could've done on that song.

I am on record and it is pretty common knowledge that I am not a huge fan of Robin's style. Its just too herky/jerky sloppy for my tastes and I just don't dig his tone.

Nothing personal, it is just preference. Im not a huge fan of Joe Perry's tone or solos either and he is an all time legend.


Different ears like different sounds.

Broken record, that's what it seems.

I love Prostitute and the other day I noticed some nice synth in some verses, along with a really awesome rhythm guitar arrangement by Bucket and Robin.

I'm really curious about how the song will sound live, if Axl will play it on piano or not, if Ron would play it with or without the whammy...

Or Chris on the Bubble Machine!  :hihi:


 :peace:

That's how I do it too!  For a peaceful night's sleep, the Dr. recommends Prostitute.  : ok:

(And I don't see how anyone can compare this song to track #11 from the fourth studio release from Guns N' Roses, other than a dominant piano and deep lyrics.  I just don't, sorry.)

And do we have more people hearing bubbles now?

^Yes! I heard them for the first time the other day, they're odd, but i dont thnk they're apparant enough to interfere with the song fortunately

I still can't hear 'em.

Must be listening to Better too loud :hihi:

try it on a surround sound system or headphones, AxlsMainMan. it's like 3d from 2d.

I dont understand how you can label people bitter when you have no idea who they are. Comments like D's do not represent a bitter person. GnR will always be compared to the past. Im not saying it should always be like that but that is just life.

Btw, I guess your characterizing Axl as a sad, bitter person because a lot of the lyrical content on CD dwells on the past. Almost every song.

If you talk about Bucket and or Robin then you still get labeled as a hater. So you cant really win unless your kneeling at the alter with whatever lineup is out there at the current time.


As for Prostitute....amazing song. I am totally into the lyrics right now with what Im going through in my life right  now. Without a doubt this song has moved up the chain of amazing CD and GNR songs. Is it Estranged? I dont think so. You can make the argument that Estranged is the best GNR song ever. And that is coming from someone who didnt like the song for the longest time. I never got why everyone loved it for like the first 2 years I started listening to GNR. Then one day I saw the light.  Its not really trying to be Estranged though. Prostitute is its own peaceful song.

is there any singer that sings about their future experiences?



incorrect. They are on cd and we're talking about them alright.
But if you go on 'bring back bh!' ignoring the fact that he left of his own accord then you've got a problem.

I posted time markers for when the bubbles come in earlier in this thread.

you know damn well there are a lot of bitter people on these GnR boards.  Most of them don't post here.

We don't always have to compare everything to the past.   Its totally ok to just accept and like the present without bringing up certain former guitar players.

my sentiments exactly. some of these so called "fans" like to subtly turn every thread into something controversial by comparing it to past recordings or giving their opinion on what guitar player "could have made the song better." they think they're being slick with their "it's a legitimate question" spill, but it's very easy to recognize a troll's agenda. you can smell the bitterness from miles away. such a sad life these "fans" must lead.

It's a healer. somewhat fatherly or brotherly but kids are fast asleep. :hihi:


yep i saw that. you're not implying that I should dive and find the monkey for AxlsMainMan, are you? :hihi:

Prostitute is a great closer.

Definitely a "closure" song of sorts. It puts to rest the aggression and frustration and energy on the record and it truly zones out.
I think it compares to the end of Double Talkin' Jive more than anything with Slash taking those leads on Spanish Guitar.

Its not even close to Estranged. Most (90%) of the fans of CD believe that Estranged is the greatest songs ever made (including myself). That has impacted the way that fans now listen to CD because you cannot go between AFD and CD without UYI in the middle to bridge it out and songs like Estranged kinda help make the musical and lyrical transition over.

Maybe if they made a kick ass video for it, it would begin to approach Estranged on a minimally comparable level, but that song will forever live in the hearts of those who have heard it.

MNW

Yeah you're so right, it's the video that makes the song.

Just so I understand, what does the 'Prostitute' discussion thread have to do with some asshole's playing on DTJ? Oh, that's right. It doesn't.  ::) If you're such a big fan of an ex-member's guitar playing, why don't you go and talk about that in the "I can't get over 1988 section". I think most of us here are interested in talking about Guns N Roses, not some lying media whore's guitar style.


Oh, really? Do you have the link to some data poll which shows that "90% of the fans" believe this. I must fall into that 10%. 'Prostitute' is fucking amazing. I can't imagine the song being any better than it is.


Thanks for your opinion, but I'll always love and remember 'Prostitute', regardless of whether or not a video release ever accompanies it. Man, some must have a seriously sad life.I can't imagine spending my day trolling a forum of a band that I am a "fan" of just so I can diss the music and comment how things could have been better.   ::)

Why is it that someone mentions an old song and suddenly they're "stuck in the past"?

PS. DTJ came out in 1991. :D

Why?  Because 1991 was 18 years ago for starters.  And the topic is about a song on the current album.

¹⁸"Forget the former things;
do not dwell on the past.
¹⁹See, I am doing a new thing!
Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?"

Isaiah 43:18-19

^Yeah, but all marknroses did was make a passing comparison to an old GNR song - a positive comparison, by the by - and suddenly he's stuck in the past?

Different if he'd said the song was crap or something.

Now I'm off to search for these elusive bubble noises. :)

Have you seen his other posts?

It's pretty predictable to see the same people do the same thing in the GN'R section.

Meaning, post in threads about the new songs and make it to be about the old band.

Or like they like to call it "my honest opinion".


I grew up listening to the old band, so it's not like I hate them. But I also don't feel the need to constantly bring them up when talking about the present.




/jarmo

where exactly are the bubbles?

Damnit. >:(

haha, thanks for helping out my laziness  ;D

checking now!!

I'll have to listen extra close for this.

hey don't be too close to the speakers if you're not using headphones but a little, like a meter, away from them.

good luck.  8)
this kinda reminds me of the struggle with autostereogram images.

I heard the bubbles today for the first time, it's crazy cause I have listened so many times, it's just there is so much to listen to, especially with the headphones on.

Does anyone else find that more and more this is the song they want to hear most??

I'm also digging playing the album on loop. The Prostitute fade out goes nicely into the CD fade in.

Not a huge fan of this song.  This and IRS I could do without.  Everything else, good.

Love this song !

Also i heard the bubbles first time today.... it made me giggle... but it amazing that i am still hearing new sounds afther listening to it for everyday since the release date  :)

If The World has a MPC 2000..... Prostitute has a 1961 electro bubble machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9CzYtb8_BM    (28 seconds into the vid)

 :rofl:

what do bubbles sound like? i dont know what im listening for.

I only hear the bubbles when I listen to it in my car.

This is probably my favorite song on Chinese Demcoracy!

the theme and lyrics of this song are brilliant. That is why despite all of his bs, Axl is and always will be the greatest

This song is the kind of song that gets stuck in your head for days after you last listened to it. I keep going back to it though, I love the challenge the song gives me. It's such an unorthodox song in every way, even the structure of the song is unconventional, as many of the songs on Chinese Democracy are. I love a challenge when it comes to music and prostitute gives me just that. Trying to figure out the theme, listening to the haunting melody... It's a brilliant piece of work that keeps me going back for more.

The piano part would get stuck in my head for days even when it was just a November Rain intro from live bootlegs.  And I still find myself whistling or humming it without even realizing until I'm halfway through

The bubbles!! The bubbles!!!! ;D

After 6 and a half months I finally hear the bubbles!! ;D

Probably shouldn't discuss this here, but for anyone with the Rockband CD edits that were floating around a few weeks back, listen to Prostitute without guitar.

It's really not the same w/o the guitar, BUT the outro is truly superb. The 'without guitar' song edit really allows you to hear the synth and it seems to last a little longer.

Simply amazing...

are clips like that on youtube? having been wanted to hear the different instrumental and vocal tracks since i heard the news about it

Does anyone have the official lyrics for this from Rock Band?


I find myself singing this song more than the rest


SINGLE THIS PLEASE

I think even AOL agrees

I know this is going to make me sound like a pansy,

but one word to describe this song is just 'beautiful'

yeah, this is one of my least favorties on the album; this and rhiad

This is one of those "hate it or love it" songs. For sure.

can someone tell me what Axl is talking about here? thanks


When all of the reasons
They've taught us
Fall over themselves
To give way

is  it? maybe for hard rock/ \m/ fans it is but I think a general music fan would either like it a lot or love it.

I know this is probably already the most misinterpreted song ever lyrically

I've seen some lyrics and I just don't think they are accurate.


Everyone keeps saying

"ask yourself, what I would do

but he says "Ask yourself, Why I would choose

Why would they
Tell me to please those
That laugh in my face
When all of the reasons
They've taught us
Fall over themselves
To give away


I think he is calling those people hypocrites

Like u spend all this time preaching this but when u get around certain people u fall over yourself to go against what u always believed.

like a two faced friend. Around u they tell u about these morals and beliefs but when they get around the "cool" kids they totally go against everything they have always told u they stand for.


Just my interpretation

How accurate are these lyrics:


Seems like forever and a day

If my intentions are misunderstood
Please be kind
I've done all I should
I won't ask of you
What I would not do
Oh, I saw the damage in you
My fortunate one
The envy of youth

Why would they
Tell me to please those
That laugh in my face
When all of the reasons
They've taught us
Fall over themselves
To give away

It's not a question
Whether my heart is true
Streamlined
I had to pull through
Look for a new
Beginning on you
Oh I got a message for you
Up and away
It's what I gotta do
Forgive what you have
For what you might lose

What would you say
If I told you that I'm to blame
And what would you do
If I had to deny your name
Where would you go if I told you
I love you
And then walked away
N' who should I turn to
If not for the ones
That you could not save
I told you when I found you
If there were doubts you
Should be careful and unafraid

Now
They surround you
And all that amounts to
Is love that you fed by
Perversion and pain

So if my affections
Are misunderstood
And you decide
I'm up
To no good
Don't ask me to
Enjoy them
Just for you

Ask yourself
Why I would choose
To prostitute myself
To live with fortune and shame
Oh yeah
When you should
Have turned to the hearts
Of the ones
That you would not save

I told you
When I found you
All that amounts to
Is love that you fed by
Perversion and pain

This definately should be a single, I just fear alot of radio stations are gunna' cut off the outro to save time.

thanks d

yea definitely. after hearing it a few times on the twitter request station, I  agree with that.

on the radio, this song is so refreshing and soothing.

I know I'm old because...

When I hear the lyric "Please be kind....", I think of the video rental motto "Please be kind and rewind".  Way back before DVDs, when you rented a movie, it was on vidio tape and the stores would sometimes put a reminder on the video to rewind before you returned the movie. Also had reminders all over the casing and on posters and everything around the store.

Gets me EVERY time I hear it :hihi:

^I absolutely remember the "be kind rewind" also ;D, it was time consuming for the rental store and or next patron to have to do so. 

 

I always thought the lyrics were

"Ask yourself, What I would choose
To Prostitute myself. "

I think that is such a great ending to the album, even those last few lyrics.

It truly is "Why I would choose..."

"What" doesn't make any grammatical sense.  Yeah, I know were talking about rock n' roll here, a pretty cheap genre of music... :)

Chicken Dinner.

showing your age :hihi:

most of these kids are probably like "what's a VCR?"

I don't mind showing my age as I have experienced some great things in life, like the VCR and before that the first "Beta" movie players before the VCR lol, and lets not forget that I look to be in great shape for the shape I'm in and don't mind sayin so.

On topic though... Prostitute, one of my faves indeed, but as I know Axl's songs can sometimes be directed in many ways, interpreting it's full meaning, I'm not sure is totally possible.

I remember it too, I guess i'm pretty old for being 19  :P

At least your school VCR didn't eat your copy of Happy Gilmore :hihi:

It's mostly what I think, but I've marked were I've heard different, I have no idea if I'm right or wrong

-Mike

The perversion and pain is definitely what he is saying

listen real close.

It's "Love that your fed by perversion and pain"  I have headphones, you can hear things you would not hear otherwise ;).

I was 99.9 percent positive.

Definately that

D, what do u think of the other lines I changed as I heard them?  do you agree / disagree ?

I agree that perversion and pain makes much more sense, now I just need to train myself to sing that in my head when I'm listening to the song.
Sometimes my first incorrectly heard lyrics stay with me forever.

Kinda like in skid row's 18 and Life... I always thought it was "he walked the streets of social" instead of "he walked the streets a soldier"... I know it makes no sense but I still sing it that way to this day.  :)

Also, does anyone remember hearing the line "Feel'n like I'm already sick of this song" (or something similar) in one of the IRS demos (instead of "Feel'n I'm livin' inside of this song")... I swear that I remember hearing that in one of the early demos.

-Mike

HAHA I remember on IRS when we thought he said something about walking in his own shit LOL

Axl is the hardest singer to figure out.


I think he says Envy of Youth

I always thought he said A Better Way is what I've got to do.


Gonna go listen real close and I'll report back.


I think the opening verse of "oh My God" is the most debated of GNR lyrics.

You don't listen to a whole lot of grunge, do you?  :hihi:

Well, The hardest singer that u care what he is saying.

Definitely "THE ENDING OF YOU"

Definitely "Steamlined"

Definitely "Give What you Have"

That one part sounds more like Up And Away or "A Better Way"

Ive added what I thinks correct, but Ill probably change it after more listens lol

he definitely says Perversion

Read your line, grammatically it makes no sense

Love that you fed by for pleasure and pain makes absolutely no sense.




Love that you fed by perversion and pain.

Prostitute/perversion

He does say


Ask yourself WHAT I WOULD DO




Props to Journey for making hear that correctly


it makes sense also

what I would do to prostitute myself to live with fortune and shame.

Anyone else think this song perhaps holds Axl's best vocal melodies thus far?

so many classic melodies, it is impossible for me to narrow it down to 1.

Very true, this song is definately up there though.

Without a doubt. This has been on my top play list alot lately.

I have loved this song since it 'appeared' on the internet last year, and I havent stopped listening to it

its the best song on cd

Axl's true "Big Gun." Amazing.

Same here.

I think Prostitute is a revolutionary song. I love every other song in Chinese Democracy, but Prostitute is different, it is like a definitive evolution of Guns N' Roses and rock music in general. A song that combines strength, beauty and lyrical perfection. Can't ask anything more from Guns N' Roses.

Ask yourself, why I would choose, to Prostitute myself, to live with fortune and shame.  What makes sense about "What I would do", it makes it sound as if it is suggesting that Axl is asking how to prostitute himself, why does that make sense over "Why I would choose" This way he is asking, why I would choose to Prostitute myself, to live with fortune and shame, cuz he wouldn't, but someone he is close to obviously is doing just that, but instead of prostituting yourself, you should have turned to the hearts of the ones that you could not save, I told you when I found you all that amounts to is love that your fed by perversion and pain.  Axl is saying your prostitution has created a fortune and has taught her the created love is fed by perversion and pain.

It even kind of goes hand in hand with "There was a time" where he is saying, "social class and registers, cocaine in the hall, all the way from California on the way to your next call, to those non-negotiations to stimulate a cause, for the betterment of evils and your ways around the laws, that keep you up and sitting pretty on a pedestal or bed and now your sleeping like an angel, never mind who you gave head, if theres something I can make of this or anything at all, it'd be the devil hates a loser and you thought you had it all.

I hear "Ask yourself Why I would choose, to prostitute myself' aswell.

theres no 'what I would choose'

It's why.

I just listened about 5 times and he doesn't have an "S" sound on it though

which is why I think its What I Would Do


Ask yourself What I would Do, to Prostitute myself


I don't think he is talking about "Himself" hence the Ask yourself  and then the question "What I would Do"

So Its like What are some things I'd do, not AXL but I

I've always heard Why I Would Choose.

And that's what it says in the liner notes and in Rock Band.

I think it's "why I would choose" too. There's definitely a "ch" at the beginning of the word, but the "s" at the end is hard to make out/buried in the mix/whatever.



Unless he's saying "why I would chew"....

Why don't you read the lyrics in the Rock Band version of CD? I guess it's the official lyrics.  :-X :nervous: :P

It's 'why I would choose', no two ways about it.

I hear "why I would choose" as well.

also I hear "The envy of you"

"be careful and not afraid"

Sorry... but have to bring this thread back up...

Kind of a delayed reaction of sorts (although I always thought "Prostitute" was good)... but WOW... what a fucking song. Absolutely amazing. This ONE song justifies the 15 year wait IMHO and I'd gladly wait another 15 years for another one of its quality.

I'm throwing the gauntlet down here... but I think it's Axl's best work... EVER. Right there with "Estranged" (my previous choice)- but slightly ahead IMHO b/c it's more "succinct". Just a beautiful piece of art and I could listen to it constantly.

I remember one of the reviewers (a positive review) writing about how frustrating it must be for Axl to transcribe the grandiose, epic songs he's got crashing in his head down on paper... only to end up with some really great stuff... but never the PERFECT song he knows that's out there....

Well... I think he finally succeeded here. It's THAT good. Congrats Axl... and congrats to the band.:beer:

^I've kinda rediscovered this song recently too. I'd say it's now one of my favourites on CD.

I especially like that "I saw the damage in you" line. 8)

I liked it from the very beginning, but as with the rest of the album

it just grows and grows on you.

What a great closing track for the album. :yes:

so true. im calling this song PS

Yeah... the more and more I hear "Prostitute"... the more and more I think it's every bit as good as "Sweet Child O' Mine" (which Tommy Stinson allegedly claimed 8 or 9 years ago! You were right Tommy!), "November Rain" and "Estranged". The only difference is that it hasn't yet been surrounded with the same "fanfare" (i.e. video, live performance, single, etc.)... but one can hope!

Anyway, in order to be considered legitimate... any future "Best of GN'R" collections that ever see the light of day MUST contain "Prostitute" IMHO... It's on par with the best of the old band.

I just have to say that the drumming on Prostitute is absolutely top notch :drool:, can't get enough of it on rock band!

So is every part. :yes:

"p.s. i love you, dear gnr fans we do have affections for you but please don't expect us to prostitute ourselves just for you. because our love for each of you is natural and real unlike that of prostitutes."

Prostitute has overtaken TWAT as my favorite song on the album.  Axl's lyrics, which to me are saying he may not always be right but he has always done what he believed was right given the circumstances in both his personal life and in the music world, are some of the most honest he has written.  And the melody has such a simple, bittersweet elegance to it.  It always sticks in my head

Best song ever.

This is one of the best songs on the album I cant get it out of my head but in a good way...

You mean unless if there realy great fucks right :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

it's all about being positive you know.

(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/musik/music-smiley-017.gif) Seemed like forever and a day. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/musik/music-smiley-017.gif)

^ This line appears in the new short story by Del James, Do Sunflowers Have a Fragrance?.
Coincidence??  I THINK NOT!!! :headbanger:



You can find the ordering info for the book Del's story appears in in this thread...

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=57548.msg1202309#msg1202309




THIS IS JUST SPECULATION ON MY PART ... NO SPOILER
If the character in Prostitute is really the other character in Sunflowers, then the Prostitute character needs to read Del's story.  And Prostitute better do it soon cause it's a "short story" so that ending comes quick!!! :hihi:

This happens to be my fav song on CD.  It's funny how Axl seems to write songs that can mean different things to different people. (minus the fortune and fame part for me..lol)  I can relate to this on some levels.  Without divulging to much info, basically my family and how things have made us Estanged and the lyrical content, a great song and great finish to an album.

I agree, this song is an amazing closing song on Chinese Democracy. I think almost everyone can relate to the lyrics also, because that's Axls gift for songwriting.

I have noticed alot in this song that when I listen to it, it seems like I'm in a daydream just hypnotized by the lyrics.

Definately a special song.   ;)


Lee

Hum thats how I feel about Prostitute it just seems to be something everyone can relate to in one way or another.


If this song was (as people speculated mainly the haters) Axl's goodbye to the life in the music biz I would at least be glad that the last song on the CD was like this.




Joe

The last night I was hearing some  music and after a while Prostitute came to my mind. I looked for CD and put the last track and then just remembered how great this song is... In some ways it reminds me to Stranged, the overall feeling you know...

A trully fine piece of Art.  I am sure its classic for the years to come for all gunners.

In this song, the little effects and guitar melodys add alot to the overall product. My favourite little guitar melody in the song is near the start when Axl sings " I won't ask of you, what I would not do ", that little guitar riff that comes in to match the vocals is gold.

Also I will say this again, but this song always gets me into a dream like state. I'm sure other people know what I mean, but I have to listen to it in complete silence and love the words and melody.

It kind of hypnotizes you.  :D


Lee

Absolutly agree! But you forgot to mention the amazing drum work on the song. And yes, I know what you mean with the "dream state" thing.

The way it is sung reminds me a lot of the intensity of SCOM -  intense with a certain kind of beauty to it

Interested to know why they don't play this more live? Its a great song

Probably because it's a hard song for Axl do it live, they just played it in Osaka & Tokyo '09, i think it's the same situation of TWAT (maybe CITR too) even Axl tweet about it.

I was able to order this book on amazon. It was a great story. The ending was not what I expected. Maybe we'll see another Epic GNR video inspired by an Axl/Del collab.

\Little EMO Annie

it doesn sound like it needs some work live.