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Title: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jarmo on November 18, 2008, 06:01:10 PM





/jarmo


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gnredwing on November 20, 2008, 02:03:00 AM
I honestly think this is the best song on the album. I am so glad it didnt leak earlier, as it was such a great suprise. It sounds so fresh and Axl's lyrics are smooth as silk over the piano. AXL = GOD.  :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GunnerOne 84 on November 20, 2008, 02:04:33 AM
I'm going to keep being annoying about this to everyone I know, here and everywhere.

This I Love is the sound a heart makes as it is breaking.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on November 20, 2008, 02:08:34 AM
:rofl:

wow, getting pretty deep in here isn't it?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: reed2009 on November 20, 2008, 02:09:06 AM
just listen to the lyrics, its total heartbreak and also so beautiful......this song makes you think about the ones that got away! tears to my eyes


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on November 20, 2008, 02:16:47 AM
just listen to the lyrics, its total heartbreak and also so beautiful......this song makes you think about the ones that got away! tears to my eyes

it is a beautiful song, just thinking about it makes me wanna hear it again but i almost don't want to untill i have my own copy in my hands.

i'm thinkin' this should be the next single after Better, hands down :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: thomas on November 20, 2008, 02:17:26 AM
just listen to the lyrics, its total heartbreak and also so beautiful......this song makes you think about the ones that got away! tears to my eyes

yup this i love is like a november rain song

and when i listen to it i do not know why but tears comes out


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: waxlrick on November 20, 2008, 02:27:40 AM
I have always hoped to hear Axl sing in such a raw manner with Piano. And this sound delivers.


Axl voice is incredible on the whole album. Better than ever!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: eggers on November 20, 2008, 02:29:00 AM
I don't get all the hype over this song, its good but nothing amazing to me.


Also the melody.  All I can think of is Fry singing "he probably doesn't want me dating her..." from the last episode of Futurama.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jaknudsen on November 20, 2008, 03:19:40 AM
The song reminds me of a musical, like Cats or Phantom Of The Opera... and some of the lyrics make me cringe. But a great solo, hopefully the song will grow on me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bolton on November 20, 2008, 03:22:00 AM
great song


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 20, 2008, 03:22:15 AM
This is the one song that has been stuck in my head since I heard it.

What a top notch vocal melody.  The piano and string arrangements send chills down my spine.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: journey on November 20, 2008, 03:41:40 AM
This I Love is the most beautiful song. I don't know any other way to describe it. My brain's all mushy from its beauty. hola.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 20, 2008, 03:48:27 AM
Before I forget...

Major props go out to Patti Hood.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: SLCPUNK on November 20, 2008, 03:49:57 AM
A beautiful song, full of emotion.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TWT on November 20, 2008, 05:02:15 AM
The song reminds me of a musical, like Cats or Phantom Of The Opera... and some of the lyrics make me cringe. But a great solo, hopefully the song will grow on me.

Yeah, it's the acceptable face of Andrew Lloyd webber-style music(als). Because we all know that ALW has an unacceptable face. The simplicity of the arrangement and production in contrast to some of CDs overblown moments shows that sometimes less really can be more.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: kollemann on November 20, 2008, 05:07:39 AM
fantastic song.The November Rain/Estranged of Chinese Democracy


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: badobsession_r21 on November 20, 2008, 05:20:53 AM
i really like the song, still its my least favourite song of the album. The album is a pure masterpiece in my humble opinion.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: willow on November 20, 2008, 05:40:58 AM
Its really hard to hear someone spill their guts like that. Very, very powerful. This song needs to be heard by the masses!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: mrarkadin on November 20, 2008, 06:49:04 AM
I hate musicals a lot. I don't like how they're sung, I don't like the music, or the lyrics. I just listened to This I Love. It is a song I've anticipated for 15 years and, with some of these reviews comparing it to ALW, I've been dreading it for a week. Anyhow, I thought it was the most beautiful bit of pop music I ever heard--at least since I first heard John Lennon on A Day in the Life or Imagine. No matter what the literary quality of the lyrics, or the style of the music, it hit me deeper than any possible critical reaction. I think the key to the lyrics is how Axl sings them. It goes deeper than figuring what is "good" or "bad" lyrically. He's like any great singer here where the cliches become something profound and tragic when he sings them. You have to listen to the tone of the voice, rather than analyze what he's saying.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 20, 2008, 07:06:43 AM
This will probably be the only negativity I'll have

This song is incredible, probably my favorite GNR Song ever


that guitar solo though.............................................. that is the only thing wrong with this. If Finck had done a "Street of Dreams" type thing or just something with a bit more melody and movement, this song would be a one million out of 10

instead its just 990,000 out of 10  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: iloozion on November 20, 2008, 07:15:21 AM
This will probably be the only negativity I'll have

This song is incredible, probably my favorite GNR Song ever


that guitar solo though.............................................. that is the only thing wrong with this. If Finck had done a "Street of Dreams" type thing or just something with a bit more melody and movement, this song would be a one million out of 10

instead its just 990,000 out of 10  :hihi:

i totally agree. i love the song but the solo kind of........ruins it a bit (just a little bit!)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Ulises on November 20, 2008, 07:17:33 AM
I promised myself not to hear "Sorry" or "This I Love" until I have the album in my hands and I won't.

But my girlfriend did listen the song and said that was beautiful and very emotional (and she always says shit about GN'R to make me anger :hihi:)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Waldorf on November 20, 2008, 07:26:11 AM
patti's rocking it! I LOVE HARP!
this i love is beautiful. :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: thomas on November 20, 2008, 07:34:07 AM
Before I forget...

Major props go out to Patti Hood.

i don't hear the harp or whatever she use on the song


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: wells on November 20, 2008, 07:40:44 AM
Before I forget...

Major props go out to Patti Hood.

i don't hear the harp or whatever she use on the song

you don't hear a harp  ??? ... I hear it very well!


This will probably be the only negativity I'll have

This song is incredible, probably my favorite GNR Song ever


that guitar solo though.............................................. that is the only thing wrong with this. If Finck had done a "Street of Dreams" type thing or just something with a bit more melody and movement, this song would be a one million out of 10

instead its just 990,000 out of 10  :hihi:

i totally agree. i love the song but the solo kind of........ruins it a bit (just a little bit!)

well I absoultely adore the solo ... it couldn't be any better ... but just my opinion :)

v. ..



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gonella on November 20, 2008, 08:04:53 AM
the sound of song seems that came from 93.. it sounds very similiar with the sonority of UYI..:)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: hooliganscomics on November 20, 2008, 08:18:14 AM
I guess I'm the minority here. A very blah song to me. It's too Broadway for my taste. The piano melody is beautiful but the lyrical rhythm is too predictable. I really detest rhyming every line. Very Phantom of The Oprea. I imagine if it's a single it would do very well because the masses love sappy ballads. Every heartbroken girl will play it hugging their pillow. But as far as masterpieces go for me it's no "Estranged"


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lurk on November 20, 2008, 08:21:15 AM
I was never a fan of Robin, and I have always preferred GN'R when they are rocking hard. Shockingly, this song is by far my favourite on the album. I especially like the guitar work, and when everyone is unhappy about Robin being out (allegedly), I wasn't at all bothered. Now I am a little annoyed I won't get to hear him play this solo live.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: russtcb on November 20, 2008, 08:28:09 AM
Here's more I didn't expect from GN'R. This effort knocks is completely out of the park. The lyrics are so direct and sang with such heart that they express more then what's just being sang. What I didn't expect was the fairly basic production. I love how the song could have SO much more going on, but it doesn't. That says alot to me about the message of the song. The solo is incredible for many reasons. The feeling in the vocal performance & lyrics is clearly felt in the solo as well. I love the fact that the song fakes a huge ending only to stop and get back to the heart of the matter
5/5


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on November 20, 2008, 08:35:59 AM
This I love.

It's very powerful, and emotional, and you can practically feel the emotion emanating from Axl.  It's one of the most intimate "artist/consumer" connections I've ever felt and Axl should be commended, IMHO, for putting himself out there like that.

It's not my favorite song on the album...I'm leaning toward Sorry for that...but I think it's the most powerful piece of music I've heard in a LONG time.  My wife listened to it...it actually made her cry.  I suspect you might see that reaction from a lot of people.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dead N' Bloated on November 20, 2008, 08:40:35 AM
This is going to sound really gay, but this song nearly made me cry. It might just be the excitment from the album being out but at the moment, I think this is better than Estranged. Its a big call, especially for me, but this song is just amazing. I can't really describe the way I feel but I think you have an idea of what I'm talking about.

This is on par, the the greatest day of my life. The other being the time I partied with the boys in Adelaide until 7am.


 :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Axlative on November 20, 2008, 08:42:31 AM
The song reminds me of a musical, like Cats or Phantom Of The Opera... and some of the lyrics make me cringe. But a great solo, hopefully the song will grow on me.

I'm exactly in the same place when it comes to TIL.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: wells on November 20, 2008, 09:19:09 AM
Just listened few more times and I am enjoying it as much as nothing before... to me it is one of the best solos Finck ever did. If he is out of the band I guess both Axl and Finck will feel sad when playing/hearing solo part of this song ... but life goes on ...

This song and Sorry are the best songs GNR ever did. This album is better than any album GNR ever did. My period. It is... to me :) ...

v. ..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Journeyman on November 20, 2008, 09:35:34 AM
Its a masterpiece without a doubt! Its genius work the way Axl worked the song to grow anxiety to the listener


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: chineseblues on November 20, 2008, 09:38:54 AM
I don't know how anyone can say the solo is bad! I think the solo takes the song to a much higher place and it totally fits the song!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Methanol on November 20, 2008, 09:43:35 AM
Along with "If The World" it's hands down the worst track on the album. The whole piano theme sounds like a variation of some old classic song I just don't remember right now. But it certainly sounds very familiar.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: mikestone on November 20, 2008, 09:46:04 AM
its o.k :-\ not what i expected from this song!

as stated before the lyrics are too predictable !! (why,cry,lie,die)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lurk on November 20, 2008, 09:57:36 AM
My wife is Korean, and it takes a while for her to understand English lyrics. She hates rock music, tends to dislike most western music, and thinks my fascination and excitement with GN'R is an amusement at best, and annoying at worst (our 4 months old daughter loves Appetite now :D ). That said, she recognises that this song is a masterpiece. She had the melody down after the first listen. She is hooked on the song and not only thinks it is amazing, but she reckons the track is so powerful that anybody can understand it without knowing what the lyrics are. This is the real hit on the album, and the one that will kick people in the balls no matter how old they are, no matter what their musical tastes are, and regardless of whether they have heard of GN'R before or not.

This is Your Song, Without You, Just the Way You Are, and any other classic rock ballad you care to name. It is a song your mothers wives and daughters are going love, and in 20 years time, it will probably be the song most people recognise from this album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TWT on November 20, 2008, 10:00:51 AM
I like it and it's a brave song because it will be the one that ends up getting the most hate from detractors of the new GNR. Integral to the flow of the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: freedom78 on November 20, 2008, 10:02:02 AM
From the first time I heard it (which was just a few hours ago, of course  ;)) I also thought it sounded like something that could have been in a musical...Phantom of the Opera, or something like that.  It's just a good song.  I like how it builds in intensity over multiple verses, has a nice solo, and then settles back down.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: m_rated96 on November 20, 2008, 10:02:26 AM
This song is fucking incredible ! jesus christ. Im knocked in shock at how good this song is. And the solo is fucking golden piece of beauty and im a finck hater. Where did this come from? They totally knew this was best song and kept it in a vault. This is awesome


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: adman2374 on November 20, 2008, 10:15:55 AM
This is the best song I have ever heard in my life, period.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: benfolds4980 on November 20, 2008, 10:36:14 AM
Just listened to this song for the first time sitting at work.  Chills went down my spine.  I am not going to accomplish anything constructive today except for listening to this album.  Good lord.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mobenrad on November 20, 2008, 10:37:17 AM
I'm going to keep being annoying about this to everyone I know, here and everywhere.

This I Love is the sound a heart makes as it is breaking.


Easily one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. Incredible. Simply incredible.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mobenrad on November 20, 2008, 10:47:03 AM
"This I Love"...this I love.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Shaggins13 on November 20, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
I am not ashamed to admit it - I got a little choked up and told my wife we need to give Axl a hug.

I don't know about you guys, but I feel honored that Axl would share something so deep and personal with the public.  You can feel his pain.  This must have been written after the breakup with Stephanie.  Notice that he's not had a "significant" relationship since then...sometimes, you only get one or two shots at true love.  


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Illusionist on November 20, 2008, 10:51:17 AM
This song, like "Sorry", represents a very different kind of element to the cd and for that...it makes it that much more necessary.  While the rest of the songs on the album are different from each other...these two have a far different feel to them.  

I get the whole "it's too musical for me" or "sounds strange" or whatever...but that doesn't mean it's not lyrically and musically a good song.  

The chorus is definitely something else.  The song starts off soft and beautiful and then the emotions of anger come out and you just can feel all the emotions of the song as a whole...very well done.

What's odd is that in 2008, this song, while similar, still doesn't seem to have the feel or production in it that November Rain did or sounds like...

Also, is there any confirmation that this song was suppose to be used in the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come"?  I heard this rumor a while ago and after listening to it...and seeing the movie a long time ago...I definitely could see it somewhat making sense in there...although the movie was a little more "quiet" and resourceful...so I'm not surprised it didn't get in there...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AxlsMainMan on November 20, 2008, 10:56:13 AM
Also, is there any confirmation that this song was suppose to be used in the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come"?  I heard this rumor a while ago and after listening to it...and seeing the movie a long time ago...I definitely could see it somewhat making sense in there...although the movie was a little more "quiet" and resourceful...so I'm not surprised it didn't get in there...

According to the rumor board Splat, the song was offered to be used in the movie, but apparently the director or producer was "a real pill" so it unfortunately never was.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 11:05:41 AM
One of the magazine reviews said this song sounds like something Meat Loaf would do. Now, I'd been looking forward to this song for years anyway, but as a lifelong ML fan (I'd say he and Axl were the two greatest living rock vocalists) I was almost literally crapping myself in anticipation....

Well, after my first listen to the album just now, I can say that somehow still, this song really managed to broadside me. After the more aggressive, in your face stuff this is a real knockout punch. Someone recently said of Roy Orbison "He used his rock n' roll songs to set up his ballads" and I wonder if this is true of C.D. - It's almost like the whole album leads up to this song, and in the context of the album, it will have a lot more impact than just listening to it on its own.

For fans of this song, I suggest heading to iTunes immediately and picking up Blind As A Bat by Meat Loaf - seriously, its it's aural brother.

This I Love - probably the greatest song Axl's ever written.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on November 20, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  listening to it, fucker made me cry before the first minute was up  :no: LOVE it!  :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on November 20, 2008, 11:09:17 AM
Seriously, this is the deepest, most emotional song I have ever heard in my life. You can just hear the pain in this man's voice. The music is so beautiful. Im speechless, words cant even describe how great this song is (the whole fucking album in general). I had tears welling up in my eyes, no lie.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 11:11:46 AM
Me too bro. That melody just makes the hairs on your neck rise.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jada on November 20, 2008, 11:36:40 AM
Man... I loved it. But it kinda made me wanna slit my wrists, and I dunno if it's a good or a bad thing.

The tears came when I heard Prostitute.
 :-*



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: mikep1310 on November 20, 2008, 11:58:19 AM
I have never posted on this board before but this song is too amesome to keep to myself. I love it


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: highend88 on November 20, 2008, 12:03:57 PM
Fernando, I know you're reading this thread.
Tell Axl that this is the best song he's ever written.. PERIOD!!

I hope he is the one that will play the piano when they tour next year or so.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: NickNasty on November 20, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
Quote
One of the magazine reviews said this song sounds like something Meat Loaf would do. Now, I'd been looking forward to this song for years anyway, but as a lifelong ML fan (I'd say he and Axl were the two greatest living rock vocalists) I was almost literally crapping myself in anticipation....

First time I heard it, I thought--Queen or Meat Loaf..it has that previously mentioned theatricality and over the top thing going on yet it is credible. Best song on the record.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on November 20, 2008, 01:03:14 PM
this is the single most beautiful and inspiring song ever written.  every professional song writer or singer should stop what they're doing for a month and just listen to this song again and again.  it's like everything you love about broadway musicals mixed with everything you love about the new gnr line up. 

anyone who doesn't like this song is simply an idiot.  anyone who doesn't cry when they hear it is heartless.  my friend made so much fun of me when i played this in the car and i wanted to kick him out.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mechanical-Worm on November 20, 2008, 01:09:03 PM
This song is heartfelt, genuine, and touching - it has all the makings of the next November Rain. This song is amazing but I'm sure most here agree with me. It may be very well written but I still much prefer the ballads from the band's heyday.

Please don't hate on me for my last sentence.  :nervous:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dont Try Me on November 20, 2008, 01:14:26 PM
Beautifull song, great solo!   :beer:







Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jada on November 20, 2008, 01:14:46 PM
2nd listen... I'm in love with this song. It's definitely one of the best songs I've ever heard.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: commissioner on November 20, 2008, 01:26:25 PM
I'm going to keep being annoying about this to everyone I know, here and everywhere.

This I Love is the sound a heart makes as it is breaking.

This is the best song I have ever heard :'(

Aside from November Rain of course

My heart really goes out to Axl on this song.  People, this is the real heart in Axl Rose!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on November 20, 2008, 01:29:07 PM
It just made my mom cry  :yes: she's crazy about gn'r ballads and she said this song > them all


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on November 20, 2008, 01:35:19 PM
From my 'review': "This I Love, while simple and very familiar sounding, may be Axl's greatest vocal showcase."

I love this song, I've been listening again, and again, on GnR MySpace...Slash fans - get back on the bus (with us), listen to this solo!!!  Since I don't have liner notes, I can only assume this is BBF singing with his guitar.  You can pick out the 'November Rain' similarities in the piano playing, almost as if playing NR gave birth to this...it will be interesting to hear how this song developed.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: commissioner on November 20, 2008, 01:36:29 PM
I am not ashamed to admit it - I got a little choked up and told my wife we need to give Axl a hug.

I don't know about you guys, but I feel honored that Axl would share something so deep and personal with the public.  You can feel his pain.  This must have been written after the breakup with Stephanie.  Notice that he's not had a "significant" relationship since then...sometimes, you only get one or two shots at true love.  

"If your Lucky" :'(



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: JDA on November 20, 2008, 01:36:44 PM
This song is my favorite.  Love  it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 01:43:29 PM
From my 'review': "This I Love, while simple and very familiar sounding, may be Axl's greatest vocal showcase."

I love this song, I've been listening again, and again, on GnR MySpace...Slash fans - get back on the bus (with us), listen to this solo!!!  Since I don't have liner notes, I can only assume this is BBF singing with his guitar.  You can pick out the 'November Rain' similarities in the piano playing, almost as if playing NR gave birth to this...it will be interesting to hear how this song developed.



Agreed with everything you say - though it's Robin on the guitar solo.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: 123191 on November 20, 2008, 01:48:43 PM
From my 'review': "This I Love, while simple and very familiar sounding, may be Axl's greatest vocal showcase."

I love this song, I've been listening again, and again, on GnR MySpace...Slash fans - get back on the bus (with us), listen to this solo!!!  Since I don't have liner notes, I can only assume this is BBF singing with his guitar.  You can pick out the 'November Rain' similarities in the piano playing, almost as if playing NR gave birth to this...it will be interesting to hear how this song developed.



The solo is ROBIN FINCK.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on November 20, 2008, 01:56:39 PM
From my 'review': "This I Love, while simple and very familiar sounding, may be Axl's greatest vocal showcase."

I love this song, I've been listening again, and again, on GnR MySpace...Slash fans - get back on the bus (with us), listen to this solo!!!  Since I don't have liner notes, I can only assume this is BBF singing with his guitar.  You can pick out the 'November Rain' similarities in the piano playing, almost as if playing NR gave birth to this...it will be interesting to hear how this song developed.



Agreed with everything you say - though it's Robin on the guitar solo.
I must say that I am surprised...perhaps he has picked up something along the way...now I certainly hope he is not 'out' - this is a great piece of work.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 20, 2008, 01:58:05 PM
Axl's vocals on this song are stunning, the piano is beautiful, but the sappy lyrics are very emo-ish and downright pathetic...  Axl is still in a lot of pain.  The solo doesn't do the song justice, it just doesn't.  There was so much space to put down an epic solo.  Its not the worst solo, and I like it more than some of the Bumble solos, but the song could have been more if you ask me.  Its a good song, but nowhere near what some of you guys are making it out to be.  Seems repetitive and almost predictable.  This does sound like a score to a movie....  Like others have said, its not NR or Estranged level.  And that is okay, it doesn't have to be.  Axl is here on his "A-Game", but sometimes that alone isn't enough.  

4/5


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on November 20, 2008, 02:00:49 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 20, 2008, 02:09:30 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

Yes, me, its okay.  I want to Shake Axl and say, "Wake the fuck up, you are better than this, stop feeling sorry for yourself", but its his art and his expression, but he has turned into a real softy.  Since everyone has already claimed its the greatest ever I thought I was the one with the issue.  Sorry > This I Love.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on November 20, 2008, 02:11:52 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

Yes, me, its okay.  I want to Shake Axl and say, "Wake the fuck up, you are better than this, stop feeling sorry for yourself", but its his art and his expression, but he has turned into a real softy.  Since everyone has already claimed its the greatest ever I thought I was the one with the issue.  Sorry > This I Love.

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: SLCPUNK on November 20, 2008, 02:13:22 PM
This is going to sound really gay, but this song nearly made me cry.

Thank you for your honesty, there is an element to that song that can certainly produce that effect.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 20, 2008, 02:16:25 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

Yes, me, its okay.  I want to Shake Axl and say, "Wake the fuck up, you are better than this, stop feeling sorry for yourself", but its his art and his expression, but he has turned into a real softy.  Since everyone has already claimed its the greatest ever I thought I was the one with the issue.  Sorry > This I Love.

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

Yes, the only reason is that its the "Greatest song ever recorded" is because its new and Axl sang it.  After a few months that talk will die down and reality will hit.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: adman2374 on November 20, 2008, 02:20:25 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

Yes, me, its okay.  I want to Shake Axl and say, "Wake the fuck up, you are better than this, stop feeling sorry for yourself", but its his art and his expression, but he has turned into a real softy.  Since everyone has already claimed its the greatest ever I thought I was the one with the issue.  Sorry > This I Love.

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

Yes, the only reason is that its the "Greatest song ever recorded" is because its new and Axl sang it.  After a few months that talk will die down and reality will hit.

No, I don't think so...............


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: chineseblues on November 20, 2008, 02:20:34 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

Yes, me, its okay.  I want to Shake Axl and say, "Wake the fuck up, you are better than this, stop feeling sorry for yourself", but its his art and his expression, but he has turned into a real softy.  Since everyone has already claimed its the greatest ever I thought I was the one with the issue.  Sorry > This I Love.

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

Yes, the only reason is that its the "Greatest song ever recorded" is because its new and Axl sang it.  After a few months that talk will die down and reality will hit.


Oh bull shit! Its great because it is great, your just pissed a certain soemone doesn't play on it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on November 20, 2008, 02:22:46 PM

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

There are those that think November Rain is the greatest GnR song, EVER.

There are those that think it's overproduced, grandiose, overblown, overindulgent SHIT and prefer WTTJ by a wide margin.

That's one of the things I LIKE about GnR...it's been pretty eclectic stuff.  YOUR favorite track might be someone else's shit sandwich.  Their favorite track might be your crap taster.  Doesn't make either of you right or wrong.  Again, I think that's one of the things that makes Axl such a talented artist.  You might not "connect" on this bit, but he might grab you by the balls with the next.

I prefer Sorry, too.  That's my favorite song on the album.  But this.....this is a piece of artistic expression that, to me, is so powerful and moving I can't help but be awed by it.  I think it's a GREAT song, too, don't get me wrong.  But I think at least part of my appreciation for it is in my appreciation for Axl having the balls to put himself out there, raw and naked for pretty much everyone to see, like he does in this song.  You may think that makes him "soft"...fair enough, this isnt' your cup of tea.  I just have to respect the man for taking that kind of chance.  For investing himself so heavily in it, and for letting many of the people listening to the song feel the pain and anguish that's so obvious in the song...not just the lyrics, but the music, too.  For setting himself up to be completely crucified for being "soft" or for putting together a song that isn't going to cater to what most people consider "the typical rock fan" (whether there really is such an animal or not....I doubt).

Axl deserves, IMHO, some major kudos for this song.  He might not get 'em...we'll see.  By the looks of this thread SO far, I'd say he has a fair shot at getting them.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 20, 2008, 02:23:32 PM
Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

Yes, me, its okay.  I want to Shake Axl and say, "Wake the fuck up, you are better than this, stop feeling sorry for yourself", but its his art and his expression, but he has turned into a real softy.  Since everyone has already claimed its the greatest ever I thought I was the one with the issue.  Sorry > This I Love.

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

Yes, the only reason is that its the "Greatest song ever recorded" is because its new and Axl sang it.  After a few months that talk will die down and reality will hit.


Oh bull shit! Its great because it is great, your just pissed a certain soemone doesn't play on it.

Its a decent song, but Sorry ownes TIL.  This has nothing to do with what you think it does.  So stop that talk now.  CD and Better are both better than TIL as well.  Its not even the best ballad on THIS album, let alone past albums.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on November 20, 2008, 02:26:46 PM

Yes, the only reason is that its the "Greatest song ever recorded" is because its new and Axl sang it.  After a few months that talk will die down and reality will hit.

I call Bullshit.

You don't like it...fine.  Your preference.

But to question the motives of people that do?  That's just crap.  This album could sell 3 copies and I'd like this song.  Nobody could EVER hear this song but me, and I'd like it.  It could be by Elton John or George Micheal or the garage band that practices down my street and I'd think it was a great song. 

If it's not your cup of tea, say so, make your case, and move on.  But how about we can the clairvoyance, and stop telling people how "they're going to feel" about material in a few months.  You don't know them, and you certainly don't know me.....I don't know how you can assume to speak for me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on November 20, 2008, 02:28:28 PM


Its a decent song, but Sorry ownes TIL.  This has nothing to do with what you think it does.  So stop that talk now.  CD and Better are both better than TIL as well.  Its not even the best ballad on THIS album, let alone past albums.

For YOU.

Fair enough.

Does November Rain need to be EVERYONE's favorite GnR song?  Or Estranged?  Or WTTJ?  Or SCOM? 

No.  You prefer the other stuff...fair enough.

Who are you to pick other people's favorites or to tell them what THEY need to prefer? 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on November 20, 2008, 02:31:26 PM

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

  But I think at least part of my appreciation for it is in my appreciation for Axl having the balls to put himself out there, raw and naked for pretty much everyone to see, like he does in this song.  You may think that makes him "soft"...fair enough, this isnt' your cup of tea.  I just have to respect the man for taking that kind of chance.  For investing himself so heavily in it, and for letting many of the people listening to the song feel the pain and anguish that's so obvious in the song...not just the lyrics, but the music, too. 

I can certainly appreciate the honesty and risk taking aspect of the song.  Or the whole album for that matter.  But the TIL lyrics are so literal and overwrought.  I guess I just like a little more metaphor in my poetry.....personal preference.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AxlsMainMan on November 20, 2008, 02:34:34 PM
I wonder if this song will be played live.

Doing so would probably take alot out of Axl emotionally.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 20, 2008, 02:36:54 PM

Yes, the only reason is that its the "Greatest song ever recorded" is because its new and Axl sang it.  After a few months that talk will die down and reality will hit.

I call Bullshit.

You don't like it...fine.  Your preference.

But to question the motives of people that do?  That's just crap.  This album could sell 3 copies and I'd like this song.  Nobody could EVER hear this song but me, and I'd like it.  It could be by Elton John or George Micheal or the garage band that practices down my street and I'd think it was a great song. 

If it's not your cup of tea, say so, make your case, and move on.  But how about we can the clairvoyance, and stop telling people how "they're going to feel" about material in a few months.  You don't know them, and you certainly don't know me.....I don't know how you can assume to speak for me.

Pilferk, I didn't attack you, but a lot of this is because the song is new, so its fresh and you look past other great works.  Plus it has an epic feel and the piano, which must mean its great.  Classics are determined over time and sometimes instantly.  I just know how were are as a fan base and at one time we hailed Madagascar the best new song and Axl sounded awesome.  So you are right, we all like songs for different reasons.  I just don't like seeing us throw words like "greatest ever" around this early.  Let the songs soak in and then make your official judgement.  I like This I Love, just not as much as 98% of the people in this thread.  


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: sky dog on November 20, 2008, 02:38:13 PM

I guess I was just shocked to come here and read 4 pages of how it was the greatest thing ever put to record.

  But I think at least part of my appreciation for it is in my appreciation for Axl having the balls to put himself out there, raw and naked for pretty much everyone to see, like he does in this song.  You may think that makes him "soft"...fair enough, this isnt' your cup of tea.  I just have to respect the man for taking that kind of chance.  For investing himself so heavily in it, and for letting many of the people listening to the song feel the pain and anguish that's so obvious in the song...not just the lyrics, but the music, too. 

I can certainly appreciate the honesty and risk taking aspect of the song.  Or the whole album for that matter.  But the TIL lyrics are so literal and overwrought.  I guess I just like a little more metaphor in my poetry.....personal preference.

and SCOM isn't "literal and overwrought"????.....many would say those lyrics are sappy and cheap. ...not me of course, but just sayin.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on November 20, 2008, 02:38:41 PM


I can certainly appreciate the honesty and risk taking aspect of the song.  Or the whole album for that matter.  But the TIL lyrics are so literal and overwrought.  I guess I just like a little more metaphor in my poetry.....personal preference.

I think I like both...a bit of this and a bit of that.

I think we get a LOT of metaphor from Axl...and certainly on this album. 

This is a little more forthright, to be sure...but I think the honesty that stems from it makes up for the lack of ability to "interpret" it.

Some art is meant to be impressionistic.....you interpret it and bring a lot of yourself into that interpretation. 

Some is meant to be literal.  THIS is literal, pretty much.  Straight out there.....

To me, it's like comparing "The Mona Lisa", which is very literal but still emotionally evocative, to something like  Portrait De Femme by Picasso, which leaves more to the viewer to interpret.  Both gorgeous pieces of art, but VERY different.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on November 20, 2008, 02:43:51 PM


Pilferk, I didn't attack you, but a lot of this is because the song is new, so its fresh and you look past other great works.  Plus it has an epic feel and the piano, which must mean its great.  Classics are determined over time and sometimes instantly.  I just know how were are as a fan base and at one time we hailed Madagascar the best new song and Axl sounded awesome.  So you are right, we all like songs for different reasons.  I just don't like seeing us throw words like "greatest ever" around this early.  Let the songs soak in and then make your official judgement.  I like This I Love, just not as much as 98% of the people in this thread. 

No, but you're making blanket assumptions and assertions.  As you point out: "Classics are determined over time".  How can you be so sure this WON'T be one?  Are you clairvoyant?  No.  You have good points, but you're making them very badly, and very confrontationally.  You reap what you sow.

In addition, YOU might NOT think it's the best GnR song of all time.  But someone else posting in this thread very well might.  I STILL think Coma is the best GnR song I've ever heard.  It's not a classic, by anyone's measure, but...to me, it's my absolute favorite piece of material.  Who, honestly, has the right to tell me otherwise.

All you can do in this thread and be honest is lend your opinion.  You can't tell everyone else what their opinion WILL be, and you certainly can't say with any certainty what's going to happen in 3, 6, or 12 months times.  You might, ultimately, be right....but you just as easily might not be.  To make the kinds of assertions you are, quite frankly, is somewhat insulting...and certainly stifles the discussion of the actual song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Hudson on November 20, 2008, 02:45:23 PM
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Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

This song is either love or hate. I first thought of Queen when I heard it. I am listening to it again but I am not sure if it is cheesy, silly, or good, or one of those songs that grows on you. It sounds like something a high school kid wrote his girlfriend when he got dumped or something out of an opera.

I will agree with one of the other posters that the album is good but also kind of depressing. The music is good but kind gets me down which is not usually the vibe I like to get from GNR.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on November 20, 2008, 02:45:30 PM
This I love is beautiful. No 2 ways about it. It is rare we get to hear Axl just putting himself out there like this. Stripped down. From his vocals to his words, to the music and the fantastic solo. Beautiful.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Ines_rocks! on November 20, 2008, 02:47:41 PM
Today in my class one guy that had heard the album already asked me if Axl had had a wife that died... now I know why he was asking that.
This is absolutely stunning... without a doubt, the best song in the entire album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Smoking Guns on November 20, 2008, 02:50:15 PM


Pilferk, I didn't attack you, but a lot of this is because the song is new, so its fresh and you look past other great works.  Plus it has an epic feel and the piano, which must mean its great.  Classics are determined over time and sometimes instantly.  I just know how were are as a fan base and at one time we hailed Madagascar the best new song and Axl sounded awesome.  So you are right, we all like songs for different reasons.  I just don't like seeing us throw words like "greatest ever" around this early.  Let the songs soak in and then make your official judgement.  I like This I Love, just not as much as 98% of the people in this thread. 

No, but you're making blanket assumptions and assertions.  As you point out: "Classics are determined over time".  How can you be so sure this WON'T be one?  Are you clairvoyant?  No.  You have good points, but you're making them very badly, and very confrontationally.  You reap what you sow.

In addition, YOU might NOT think it's the best GnR song of all time.  But someone else posting in this thread very well might.  I STILL think Coma is the best GnR song I've ever heard.  It's not a classic, by anyone's measure, but...to me, it's my absolute favorite piece of material.  Who, honestly, has the right to tell me otherwise.

All you can do in this thread and be honest is lend your opinion.  You can't tell everyone else what their opinion WILL be, and you certainly can't say with any certainty what's going to happen in 3, 6, or 12 months times.  You might, ultimately, be right....but you just as easily might not be.  To make the kinds of assertions you are, quite frankly, is somewhat insulting...and certainly stifles the discussion of the actual song.

Good point.  I went about it in the wrong way probably.  And I do "like" the song......  We are all GNR fans and with in GNR some will like some stuff more than others.  +1 to Pilferk if I could give it. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on November 20, 2008, 02:54:11 PM
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Honestly, is there anyone here who doesn't like it?  Does it get better with repeated listens?  Because I've heard it once and thought it was one of the silliest GNR songs I've ever heard.  And I love the rest of the album.

This song is either love or hate. I first thought of Queen when I heard it. I am listening to it again but I am not sure if it is cheesy, silly, or good, or one of those songs that grows on you. It sounds like something a high school kid wrote his girlfriend when he got dumped or something out of an opera.

I will agree with one of the other posters that the album is good but also kind of depressing. The music is good but kind gets me down which is not usually the vibe I like to get from GNR.

TIL may grow on me.  I agree with your points on the lyrics though.  I would have liked to see some more variation in the lyrical themes of the album rather than the "this person fucked me over" subject matter seen on most tracks.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on November 20, 2008, 02:56:16 PM
I have no idea why (other than it is a great song) I cannot stop listening to this...makes some kind of connection in my head...god I wish I hadn't been called to work - I was going to sit here logged into Myspace and listen until I got bedsores.  I am going to have this song in my head all night.    :hihi:

Can't wait till Sunday, so I can listen on the way to work, as well.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Ines_rocks! on November 20, 2008, 02:59:48 PM
I have no idea why (other than it is a great song) I cannot stop listening to this...

hehe I think beneath this hard rock coverage we all might have, we all are some big romantic fellas...  ;)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Cocaine__tongue on November 20, 2008, 03:01:06 PM
TIL is a classic from the first listen. Wonderful song, very emotional. I would have cut out the first 10 seconds though...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on November 20, 2008, 03:04:00 PM
I have no idea why (other than it is a great song) I cannot stop listening to this...

hehe I think beneath this hard rock coverage we all might have, we all are some big romantic fellas...  ;)

 :hihi:  I think that's become obvious from reading this thread.  I got ditched recently by someone I really cared about, so I can relate to the content of TIL, even though it's not my favorite track.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GnR-NOW on November 20, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
This song could easily be on the next big movie, meaning like the next Titanic-esq themed movie. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 03:25:05 PM
This song could easily be on the next big movie, meaning like the next Titanic-esq themed movie. 

If he wants to totally ruin it, cheapen it and piss all over its context.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on November 20, 2008, 03:27:29 PM
I can't stop talking about this song and listening to it! how can I go to work tomorrow for 10 hours without it??  :no:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GnR-NOW on November 20, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
This song could easily be on the next big movie, meaning like the next Titanic-esq themed movie. 

If he wants to totally ruin it, cheapen it and piss all over its context.

Or open it up to share it with a larger audience. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarrenLeves on November 20, 2008, 03:32:20 PM
I love the song, it really gets to me. Axl's voice is amazing.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: commissioner on November 20, 2008, 03:38:16 PM
Can anyone figure out what he is saying on the last verse?    ".....? pride"?

Thanks


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 03:40:21 PM
This song could easily be on the next big movie, meaning like the next Titanic-esq themed movie. 

If he wants to totally ruin it, cheapen it and piss all over its context.

Or open it up to share it with a larger audience. 

He doesn't have to shove his heart in people's hands - plenty of people are willing to take it as it is. Associating this song with some generic Hollywood love story would really kill it for me - though others probably feel differently.

Can anyone figure out what he is saying on the last verse?    ".....? pride"?

Thanks

And now it seems that I
Give up my ghost of pride
I'll never say goodbye

(from the CD booklet)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GnR-NOW on November 20, 2008, 03:56:24 PM
That's Axl on the piano right ?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 03:59:52 PM
That's Axl on the piano right ?

Yup.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Prez on November 20, 2008, 04:02:07 PM
2nd favorite song (after Sorry); really great song.

These type of songs (Sorry; This I Love) could be potential nr.1 hits as far as I know something about music  :-\


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Cocaine__tongue on November 20, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
Heard it about 5 times already. Amazing song. Should be the next single imo, with a good video it will put gnr at no.1 again


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on November 20, 2008, 04:04:05 PM
Genuine question - when was the last time a piano-led ballad was #1?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dot on November 20, 2008, 04:12:08 PM
The spirit of Freddy Mercury and Queen are all over this song..it kicks serious ass...so does the whole fuckin album!!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: noend127 on November 20, 2008, 04:12:56 PM
Another great ballad which is amazingly executed. You can hear the raw emotion and I think that's what makes the song what it is. Brilliant.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: downzy56 on November 20, 2008, 04:23:29 PM
Alright, so I know I'll get crucified for this, but after listening to this song numorous times, I couldn't help but feel like I had heard the chorus before.  

I'll preface this by saying this song has quickly become my favourite on the record, but the chorus does sound similar to the chorus in Lindsay Lohan's song "Rumous."  Don't believe me, go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ld4YXlyGk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ld4YXlyGk)

To get to the chorus, go to the 1:00 minute point (which, concidentally, is a few seconds short of where the chorus kicks in This I Love).  I think Lohan is singing in a lower key, but the structure of the melody is very similar.  Also, Lohan doesn't elevate the chorus like Axl does (ie, "I searched the universe...").

Now I'm not suggesting that the songs are the same or that that "Rumous" should be held in the same like as "This I Love," but there is a similarity in the first two lines of the chorus.

But much like how the openning riff to "Chinese Democracy" resembles that of "Rock You Like Hurrican" by the Scorpians, there are parallels between the chorus of Lohan's "Rumours" and "This I Love."

Again, this isn't me saying it's a bad song (this is in my top three and I have been listening to it constantly since they put it up on myspace).  

Cheers,

Andrew



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 20, 2008, 04:25:24 PM
Alright, so I know I'll get crucified for this, but after listening to this song numorous times, I couldn't help but feel like I had heard the chorus before.  

I'll preface this by saying this song has quickly become my favourite on the record, but the chorus does sound similar to the chorus in Lindsay Lohan's song "Rumous."  Don't believe me, go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ld4YXlyGk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ld4YXlyGk)

To get to the chorus, go to the 1:00 minute point (which, concidentally, is a few seconds short of where the chorus kicks in This I Love).  I think Lohan is singing in a lower key, but the structure of the melody is very similar.  Also, Lohan doesn't elevate the chorus like Axl does (ie, "I searched the universe...").

Now I'm not suggesting that the songs are the same or that that "Rumous" should be held in the same like as "This I Love," but there is a similarity in the first two lines of the chorus.

But much like how the openning riff to "Chinese Democracy" resembles that of "Rock You Like Hurrican" by the Scorpians, there are parallels between the chorus of Lohan's "Rumours" and "This I Love."

Again, this isn't me saying it's a bad song (this is in my top three and I have been listening to it constantly since they put it up on myspace).  

Cheers,

Andrew




First

What kind of self respecting GNR fan would listen to that shit?

Secondly

Axl wrote this song in 1993


Thanks anyway




Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: uzisuicide2002 on November 20, 2008, 04:38:12 PM
Such a good fuckin song. What else can i say  :beer: 5/5


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dot on November 20, 2008, 04:39:10 PM
the openning riff to "Chinese Democracy" resembles that of "Rock You Like Hurrican" by the Scorpians

I friend of mine said when he first heard Chinese Democracy(the song), that its riff and the way it?s executed sounds like the theme from Beverly Hills 90210....Now he loves the song  :rofl:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: john b! on November 20, 2008, 05:08:18 PM
In this song, Axl sounds like the singer of Mago de Oz, the spanish band. Can anyone agree? Specially in the song "Desde Mi Cielo".


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: whiny on November 20, 2008, 05:38:10 PM
very beautiful. a little cheesy, but i love it. the guitar solo is so loud! and long... :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: robz150 on November 20, 2008, 05:53:35 PM
I hate musicals a lot. I don't like how they're sung, I don't like the music, or the lyrics. I just listened to This I Love. It is a song I've anticipated for 15 years and, with some of these reviews comparing it to ALW, I've been dreading it for a week. Anyhow, I thought it was the most beautiful bit of pop music I ever heard--at least since I first heard John Lennon on A Day in the Life or Imagine. No matter what the literary quality of the lyrics, or the style of the music, it hit me deeper than any possible critical reaction. I think the key to the lyrics is how Axl sings them. It goes deeper than figuring what is "good" or "bad" lyrically. He's like any great singer here where the cliches become something profound and tragic when he sings them. You have to listen to the tone of the voice, rather than analyze what he's saying.


Excellent Insight  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 20, 2008, 05:56:13 PM
This is one of my fave songs ever and I don't wanna think about Lindsay Lohan of all people while listening. SOrry If I sounded like a dick though. :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: torzt on November 20, 2008, 06:18:52 PM
I totally wanna cry!!!!!! My god what a beutiful song.....!!  I dont think its like any other gnr ballad its just (as somone els wrote earlier) so fantasticly fresh!! OMG!!! :'(


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estrangedpaul on November 20, 2008, 06:20:11 PM
This is the most mythical song of all and GnR fans must have thought they'd never get to hear it. The first few seconds suggest something
different is going to happen and still sounds like an out-of-place last minute thought. Once the lyrics start, its back to the original theme of the album,
unrequited love, which Axl  pulls off without sounding cheesy. As for the solo, this is one song that is crying out for Buckethead What Finck plays is ok, but this was the perfect opportunity to show what he could do and pull of an epic solo. I don't know I'm not too fond of the solo, but perhaps it will grow on me. Overall, a brilliant song, and its great that one song at least, didn't have loads of random instruments thrown over the top. Also, definitely one for the girls.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Gunner17 on November 20, 2008, 06:44:53 PM
I imagine Axl sitting at a piano in a dark room with his hair teased up as much as it can be...This song is straight out of 1983 and I love it!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Cuzon on November 20, 2008, 08:40:49 PM
My god this song is mindblowing. So simple yet deep.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MrMojoRa on November 20, 2008, 08:45:23 PM
Descriptive words won't do any justice to This I Love.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axlroselegend on November 20, 2008, 08:54:24 PM

Literally a breath-taking song. I cannot get over the emotion that comes across from this song. It is so warm and yet so sad all at once...a beautiful composition.
I love the rawness of it with Axl and the piano, i think the simplicity of the song adds much to it.

This i do love
 :beer:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: draguns on November 20, 2008, 09:29:37 PM
I was looking forward to this song since it has been a song worked on by the orginial band. After hearing it, I have mixed feelings about the song. The lyrics are defintely emotional and great. I like the way Axl sings it. I also like the guitar solo. However, it  has too much of a Broadway feel to it.  The
Broadway feel just isn't my cup of tea. I'm going to rate this as a B-.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 20, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
Sorry and This I love are the best songs on chinese democracy


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lord Kayoss on November 20, 2008, 09:38:16 PM
Sorry and This I love are the best songs on chinese democracy


I'll vouch for Sorry.  Bad ass tune, with so many lines that speak to me as has always been the case with Axl's work.

This I Love....beautiful song yes.  I just wish CD had a few more hard rockers on it.  But I remember the dispute between Axl and Slash back in the day for the new album was Slash wanted more rockers and Axl wanted more ballads.

I believe it now.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 20, 2008, 09:41:40 PM
The harp in this song is just so fucking cool


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: badapple81 on November 20, 2008, 11:11:19 PM
The lyrics and Axl's soft voice are beautiful. At first I thought the music didn't quite match but now I think it compliments the message and the lyrics just perfectly.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 20, 2008, 11:29:20 PM
This song is GORGEOUS in every sense of the word. Axl basically cuts himself and lets the world gather around to watch him bleed. Vintage Guns N' Roses and will forever be the song where Robin Finck once and for all earned his "Gunner" stripes IMHO. That solo is as beautiful and heartfelt as anything this band has EVER put out. PLEAAAAAASE come back rObIn!!! Great.... great... great.... GREAT FUCKING SONG. :drool:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 21, 2008, 12:04:43 AM
This I Love...

it is the best song on this album.

The song that drew me in the most.

Thank God for letting Axl write this song.

It's such a great vocal. I'm so glad this is on the cd.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: badapple81 on November 21, 2008, 12:11:46 AM
This I Love...

it is the best song on this album.

The song that drew me in the most.

Thank God for letting Axl write this song.

It's such a great vocal. I'm so glad this is on the cd.

Word. The lyrics are just so.. ahh I don't know how to describe them.. sad.. beautiful..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 21, 2008, 12:13:58 AM
Yes, the song is a masterpiece.

I was very much blown away by this song.

Listening to it takes me away from this world, it's just something special with it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 21, 2008, 12:24:18 AM
the song is amazing, the solo is ok............................ definitely not one of Fincks best. SOD and Better solos are above this one.

I am not a big fan of multiple bends............. the part after the bends is great, but I wish it was more hummable I guess the word is.

For me, it just come doesn't close to matching Axl's heartbreaking vocals.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on November 21, 2008, 12:26:27 AM
They should have had Bucket do the solo, but whatever, Finck's solo is emotional as hell and works nicely


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 21, 2008, 12:33:38 AM
The thing with Finck's solo for me is, it doesn't take away from the song but it doesn't really elevate it either. I love guitar solos that take the song emotionally to an entirely different place. This solo just sort of fills time till Axl is ready to sing again........ It could've been epic with a Sorry like Solo.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on November 21, 2008, 12:38:01 AM
This is the most mythical song of all and GnR fans must have thought they'd never get to hear it. The first few seconds suggest something
different is going to happen and still sounds like an out-of-place last minute thought. Once the lyrics start, its back to the original theme of the album,
unrequited love, which Axl  pulls off without sounding cheesy. As for the solo, this is one song that is crying out for Buckethead What Finck plays is ok, but this was the perfect opportunity to show what he could do and pull of an epic solo. I don't know I'm not too fond of the solo, but perhaps it will grow on me. Overall, a brilliant song, and its great that one song at least, didn't have loads of random instruments thrown over the top. Also, definitely one for the girls.

Wha aa? Random instrument thrown in? Nice way to generalize, downplay and diminish what has been accomplished in Chinese Democracy. This has all been really well thought out. Everything fits and is perfectly layered. Get a better pair of headphones dude. This album is a masterpiece. Fink's solo is very emotional and it is beautiful. The solo needed the guitar to gently weep. Believe it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axl2 on November 21, 2008, 12:40:07 AM
That solo is actually amazing.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on November 21, 2008, 12:40:40 AM
The thing with Finck's solo for me is, it doesn't take away from the song but it doesn't really elevate it either. I love guitar solos that take the song emotionally to an entirely different place. This solo just sort of fills time till Axl is ready to sing again........ It could've been epic with a Sorry like Solo.

Yeah I hear you completely

It's like, Finck's solo is good.  I think a minute and a half Bucket masterpiece could've taken the song to an even higher level


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 21, 2008, 12:41:44 AM
I've been to a few GNR boards and the general consensus is Great amazing beautiful song but the solo is lacking.


thats what a huge majority think and I agree.

The song has so much power and emotion and frailty all wrapped into one song but the solo...... like i said, its not a terrible solo, its a good solo but not an all time great solo that would've made this song a top 3 GNR song of all time.

I of course can only speak for myself and what I've read from others.

All I know is, when I am listening, I get to a very emotional place inside and the solo for me is like meditating and having someone come up and smack u on the back. It just sort of knocks me out of my mood.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on November 21, 2008, 12:49:28 AM
if you could marry a song, this one would be it! I just played it at our company's reception lmao  :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on November 21, 2008, 12:51:26 AM
Sunday cant come soon enough. These reviews are amazing.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: riotact_vancity on November 21, 2008, 12:52:44 AM
i honestly cant think of a better song. this one has it all. The evolution of the ballad. his lyrics are simple, almost childish, but it suits the subject matter becauae it lays out without any misunderstanding or vagueness. The solo is amazing (god, Robin'll be missed if he's out) and Axl's singing is as good as he's ever done.

with Sorry, and If the World i think these are the clear best tracks and show where he's going and his evolution as a musician


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 21, 2008, 12:57:56 AM
Sorry.... but COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you guys. : ok:

The simplicity of the Finck solo suits the "stripped down" feel of this song to a T. It's beautiful and the best instrumental performance on the album IMHO (with Buckethead's solo on TWAT a close 2nd). A throw back and nod to earlier GN'R eras. This is one song that I'm really glad that we don't have Buckethead or Bumblefoot wanking all over it (though their solos are fucking awesome on other tracks- and yes I know they're capable of playing mellow and with "feeling" too.). This song is like a delicate little flower that needs to be protected. Finck's solo perfectly captures that vibe IMHO. He was the right man for the job- and I have no reservation including this song on my GN'R top 10 and possibly top 5.

But as you said- to each their own! :beer:







Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on November 21, 2008, 01:03:47 AM
The chorus, and the way it's delivered, is fucking amazing.  I've had it stuck in my head constantly since I first listened to the song the "right way"

So if she's somewhere near me
I hope to God she hears me
There's no one else that ever made me feel I'm so alive
I hoped she'd never leave me
Please God you must believe me
I've searched the universe and found myself within her eyes

His delivery is unbelievable.  The piano is like a cross between Freddie Mercury and Chopin


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on November 21, 2008, 01:18:40 AM
You know what, I've listened to the song twice since I posted, and I'm starting to agree with MaoAxl's post

Robin's solo is damn near perfect.  It is so raw and emotional and matches Axl's lyrics perfectly


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 21, 2008, 01:24:20 AM
You know what, I've listened to the song twice since I posted, and I'm starting to agree with MaoAxl's post

Robin's solo is damn near perfect.  It is so raw and emotional and matches Axl's lyrics perfectly

HAHAHA... I actually find that many of Robin's solos are "growers". His work sometimes gets overlooked by many GN'R fans (myself included) because of all the incredible virtuosity of Buckethead, Bumblefoot, etc. BUT if you really go back and listen carefully- the shit Robin comes up with is a beautiful pairing with Axl's style. A very natural fit IMHO. I'm really impressed by Robin's work on this album.

Anyway, glad people are having such a great reaction to this truly delicately beautiful song! :peace: :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 21, 2008, 01:28:17 AM
The song is great,. .and the solo is fine.

They could of used something a bit bluesier or something from madagascar tone

great. song stil.l.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Estranged MrFlashbax on November 21, 2008, 02:28:23 AM
i wish this song would come out as a single so i could buy a copy and smack people who say "the album's too nine-inch-nails-y" in the face with it. :rant:

this is by far my favorite song on the album. hands down. i can't think of any better word to describe it than "beautiful"


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: tim_m on November 21, 2008, 03:00:25 AM
I wonder if this could be about Stephanie Seymour? His regret of losing her or maybe someone else we don't even know about.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: WeHeldTogether on November 21, 2008, 03:16:24 AM
the solo is fucking awesome.  its emotional as fuck and probably the best on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: fangbutt on November 21, 2008, 03:23:46 AM
This song is the BIGGEST disappointment on the album. The chorus is great, but the lyrics in the verses just seem to float alongside the chorus. the lyrics are too cheesy but not subtle enough to make it work like on November Rain or Estranged. It's like Axl wrote the lyrics in about 5 minutes and never tweaked them in 5 years or whatever. He seriously thought those lyrics were good enough? :-X I thought he was a perfectionist...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 21, 2008, 04:12:43 AM
This song is the BIGGEST disappointment on the album. The chorus is great, but the lyrics in the verses just seem to float alongside the chorus. the lyrics are too cheesy but not subtle enough to make it work like on November Rain or Estranged. It's like Axl wrote the lyrics in about 5 minutes and never tweaked them in 5 years or whatever. He seriously thought those lyrics were good enough? :-X I thought he was a perfectionist...

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.... and I agree that the lyrics are rather simple. That said- they work phenomenally well for THAT reason IMHO. This song is like as if God granted you 4 minutes to talk to the long lost love of your life... and 4 minutes ONLY. What would you say? Lots of complicated imagery and creative open to interpretation allusions...  OR would you rip your heart out (as Axl does here IMHO) and hand it to her on a plate so that she would know for all time EXACTLY how you feel? That's what I love about this song and in contrast to the rest of the album (which is also great)... there are NO PRETENSIONS whatsoever (either musically or lyrically). It's extraordinary what Axl has chosen to share with the listener here IMHO....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on November 21, 2008, 04:13:45 AM
the solo is fucking awesome.  its emotional as fuck and probably the best on the album.
If I had been in a box since 1993, I would swear that was Slash...I say that more as a credit to Robin than a nod to Slash, I am sure he wasn't thinking 'Slash' when he played it anyway - but that emotional bending, almost crying/singing guitar is something I only identified with Slash...I just didn't think Robin had it in him.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 21, 2008, 04:21:09 AM
the solo is fucking awesome.  its emotional as fuck and probably the best on the album.
If I had been in a box since 1993, I would swear that was Slash...I say that more as a credit to Robin than a nod to Slash, I am sure he wasn't thinking 'Slash' when he played it anyway - but that emotional bending, almost crying/singing guitar is something I only identified with Slash...I just didn't think Robin had it in him.

100000% agreed. Each time I hear it I can easily imagine Robin walking out of a white church somewhere in deserted New Mexico playing that soulful solo a la Slash in the "November Rain" video. I'll say it again- this track is VINTAGE Guns N' Roses. 5/5, 10/10, 100/100.... :drool:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: john b! on November 21, 2008, 04:45:07 AM
I wonder if this could be about Stephanie Seymour? His regret of losing her or maybe someone else we don't even know about.
I was going to ask about that, I read in a CD review about that, but I have my doubts, it's been almost two decades, the guy in the review almost tells axl, get over it...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gcluskey on November 21, 2008, 04:58:02 AM
At first listen I was thinking this was gonna be a cheesy love song but Axl's vocals, the beautiful piano and Finck's solo give this song alot more depth. The lyrics are just straight up, there's not too much clever, poetic writing going on but its simplicity here is strengthened by the vocals. Axl seems to be using his voice almost like an instrument on most songs in this album, he alters style and wails all over the place and even does a lot of na na na stuff! It works for me


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on November 21, 2008, 05:32:41 AM
my mom just emailed me that she played it to her 50 something co-workers and men & women alike were in goosebumps and one lady started bawling her eyes out!  :beer: go Axl lol


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: waxlrick on November 21, 2008, 05:44:07 AM
The biggest suprise on the album. Axl taking a risk.....I love it.

Superb vocal. Nobody else on earth sings like that!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axlroselegend on November 21, 2008, 06:00:11 AM
it just keeps getting better and more personal with each listen
top tune


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: kuetastic on November 21, 2008, 06:26:27 AM
Verses are just o.k which is fine because the chorus hits even harder. Best chorus ever vocally? I think so.

The solo is quickly my favorite on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: wight gunner on November 21, 2008, 06:48:28 AM
Kind of reminds me of Marc Almond vocally, very clear and sung from the heart, love it.

This album goes from Marc Almond to Ramstine via Floyd, amazing stuff.













Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 21, 2008, 06:55:58 AM
I've been to a few GNR boards and the general consensus is Great amazing beautiful song but the solo is lacking.

How could it be, that I've also visited all major GNR boards and the general consensus is ''amazing song with an out of this world, outstanding guitar solo''.

To be honest, I am not surprised you dont like the solo. You seem to have something personal against Robin. Predictable.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 21, 2008, 06:58:57 AM
its not robins best solo,
like Better or SOD

But its a grower, and He does a good job with it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Axlrocks2006 on November 21, 2008, 07:36:17 AM
This I love is just flat out a GREAT song, already my favorite. For me a instant classic on par with NR.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on November 21, 2008, 07:40:02 AM
its not robins best solo,
like Better or SOD

But its a grower, and He does a good job with it.

agree with this, the solo grows on me but SOD and Btr solos are better


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Death Cube K on November 21, 2008, 09:44:52 AM
The solo ain't bad but BH would have done something better to it. That's my opinion


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: sky dog on November 21, 2008, 09:48:01 AM
the solo really grew on me....I think it is just right for the song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Tyson on November 21, 2008, 10:20:50 AM
'This I Love' is a masterpiece.  Nuff said. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mobenrad on November 21, 2008, 10:45:28 AM
The solo ain't bad but BH would have done something better to it. That's my opinion

I could just imagine them playing this song live, and then when the solo comes up, Buckethead walks out and Bumblefoot both start playing the solo in exact correspondence, then when the drums kick in, they start playing it harmonically. Ajlajsdfasdlfjas I want it.

EVERYONE KEEP IN MIND THIS SONG HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1994.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 21, 2008, 10:59:51 AM
anybody else hear like a noise (a double track that they forgot to erase for half a second at the beginning of the prase:

"but/BUT she holds/ holds her pain inside"

it is very annoying  :-[


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LittleFly on November 21, 2008, 11:00:11 AM
I can't stop talking about this song and listening to it! how can I go to work tomorrow for 10 hours without it??  :no:

I seriously went out and got a portable CD player so I can listen to this EVERYWHERE (the entire album really, but you know...)

;D


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 21, 2008, 11:05:18 AM
I can't stop talking about this song and listening to it! how can I go to work tomorrow for 10 hours without it??  :no:

I seriously went out and got a portable CD player so I can listen to this EVERYWHERE (the entire album really, but you know...)

;D

I went and got mine from the attic.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: loretian on November 21, 2008, 11:16:00 AM
anybody else hear like a noise (a double track that they forgot to erase for half a second at the beginning of the prase:

"but/BUT she holds/ holds her pain inside"

it is very annoying  :-[

Not positive, but I'm pretty sure that's just the normal delay on his voice, it's just more noticeable in that particular spot.  You can hear it throughout the entire song if you listen closely though, there might even be 2-3 delay tracks, I'm not sure.

edit: After more listens, I could be wrong.  Not sure what that is.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Estranged MrFlashbax on November 21, 2008, 11:19:11 AM
my mom just emailed me that she played it to her 50 something co-workers and men & women alike were in goosebumps and one lady started bawling her eyes out!  :beer: go Axl lol

i get the chills when i hear the song too. maybe its the below freezing temperature here in new york but this definitely is an exceptional song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: lostdream on November 21, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
I?m listening to the song for the tenth time now I guess and still I just can?t stop crying.
Yeah I?m a woman but usually I don?t cry.

The song is INCREDIBLE. It reminds me SO MUCH of feelings that I thought I had lost so long ago. Guess they?re still alive. Don?t know if that?s a good thing or not. Well, maybe it?s good the way it is..

Thanks a lot Axl, you made me cry but you reminded me of my "lost dream" in such an INCREDIBLE way, I still just can?t believe anybody could have ever felt a similiar way. Whatever, nobody?s interested in that kind of stuff.

Back to the song - just GREAT!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 21, 2008, 01:43:31 PM
I've been to a few GNR boards and the general consensus is Great amazing beautiful song but the solo is lacking.

How could it be, that I've also visited all major GNR boards and the general consensus is ''amazing song with an out of this world, outstanding guitar solo''.

To be honest, I am not surprised you dont like the solo. You seem to have something personal against Robin. Predictable.


Yeah u are right, thats why I gave robin tons of praise in Better and SOD's. ::)

how about knowing what u are talking about before commenting next time?

I said, the solo is good.......... its definitely not an all time classic and it certainly wouldn't rank anywhere near the top 10 GNR solos ever.

The solo would be good on a good song but This I Love is one of the best songs ever and the solo just doesn't measure up to the song.

It would be like having the So fine solo on NR.

Its a good solo for So Fine but it wouldn't have been for NR.



Its not anything against Robin. Joe Perry is considered one of the greatest guitarist ever and I can't sit through hardly any of his solos.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gcluskey on November 21, 2008, 02:04:43 PM
Don't know why so many people whining about the solo. Sometimes less is more, this is a simple and sad song, it doesn't need a big intricate solo to make it better. It sounds great to me, all of it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Illusionist on November 21, 2008, 02:11:43 PM
I haven't had time to flip back through all the posts and figure out if this was said before or not...but who are we assuming this is about?

Everyone is assuming Stephanie Seymour I guess...but I don't know how much truth to that there is...was there anybody else? Could it be anybody else?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: St_Jimmyuk on November 21, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
this is hands down the best song ive ever heard


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: benfolds4980 on November 21, 2008, 04:56:54 PM
Isnt it possible that after all these years he's still hung up on Erin? 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Reinaldo on November 21, 2008, 05:07:40 PM
Most emotional and beautiful love song ever created. I thought The Bl.. Street of Dreams was "the sequel to the trilogy". But this is the one. Even the wind and the flute of NR are here.

Finck solo = :drool:

Clear to see GNR is on another level. Led Zeppellin, Queen.. know what I'm saying?


Am I wrong or, as an intro to NR, did Axl play it on piano, singing along a small part of the lyrics on the 2002 tour?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LittleFly on November 21, 2008, 05:08:27 PM
Personally, I think it's about another woman that we don't know about.  I don't understand why people assume we know every woman he's had in his life.  He disappeared for a long time!! And he was very private for alot of that time.  

Granted it very well could be about Erin or Stephanie.  But I'd say there's a good chance it's about someone that we know nothing about.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jimmy? on November 21, 2008, 05:16:33 PM
Personally, I think it's about another woman that we don't know about.  I don't understand why people assume we know every woman he's had in his life.  He disappeared for a long time!! And he was very private for alot of that time.  

Granted it very well could be about Erin or Stephanie.  But I'd say there's a good chance it's about someone that we know nothing about.

Fair point, although if this song was written in '94 like it's rumoured to have been, it probably would be about one of the two.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wernie on November 21, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
I don't have words enough to discribe my feelings for this song. After 1 day. Amazing.

I can honestly admit that I had tears in my eyes after less than 2 minutes into my first listen. Have listened to TIL probably 30 times today :D

Thank you Axl, you'll always be the special one!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: 5thofwhiskey on November 21, 2008, 07:23:26 PM
5th finally found a song..... he can listen too, while he wears his lipstick and jewels.......... :love:


awesome song............damn


-wHisKey


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 21, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
OK OK

Ive been listening and I admit, thats a pretty god damn great solo.


I got the headphones on and I am hearing way more than I did previously. Blame AIM HAHAHA



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 21, 2008, 08:37:36 PM
The orchestration in the left ear during the final verse is fantastic. The nice little melody run, crushes whatever is left of your heart.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Nostradamus on November 21, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
I don't know much about guitar because I don't play.  I can only say how it sounds to me.  I love it.  I really like Robin's solo work.  There is something about the way he plays or tunes his guitar or something that gives it a powerful sound (not sure how to describe it, but I'm sure you guys know what I am talking about).  I have noticed it ever since Rock in Rio 3 where he did some of the NR and SCOM solos. 

I think it is a good compliment to the extraordinary work BH does on this album.  It is nice to have great guitar work from people with different styles.  Don't get me wrong, I love Slash more than anyone, but I live the variety and different sounds on this album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bodhi on November 22, 2008, 02:37:48 AM
ive been thinking about it over the past few days as I have listened to this song...i think this might be the best song Axl has ever written...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 22, 2008, 02:44:31 AM
yes this is the one song that i can't skip...

my personal fav, loving life more with this song, thank you Axl

it's so special


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jazjme on November 22, 2008, 02:47:10 AM
Hve to agree, his one really moves me. in a very positive way , ironic, when its such a haunting sad, tune, but I understand and feel it cause I've felt those emotions in my own life over people that I cared so much for , so KUDOS AXL and thanks for it!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: riotact_vancity on November 22, 2008, 02:56:23 AM
the more i listen to this......it maybe tops November Rain. If they release it as a single it'll be huge, the one song on the album that's a guaranteed, surefire hit. I'm scared they're gonna fuck this up and release Street of Dreams as a single instead....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jarrod on November 22, 2008, 03:26:01 AM
This song...WOW!!! Man, thats all...Fucking WOW!!!

I listened to this song and Im not too many to admit that it brought tears to my eyes...But there is a reason for this...

When I was 13 I fell in love with this girl who was the most awsome person I had ever met. Not only was she beautiful, she was also this perfect person on the inside. We spent nights together kissing and holding each other, and she taught me everything I know about kissing and love and just being 'tender' with someone special, but we had to keep it a secret or else we would notve been allowed to spend our nights together (parents would never have approved)...Unfortunately she was only visiting here and when she left it destroyed me.

The day she left this song couldve easily been playing because everything said in this song I can relate it to that day she left. I never got over her, even though Im married happily with a child and so is she, I will never get over her.

Now this song is amazing, and perfect as a ballad, but lyrically no words can describe what this song does to me. It makes me relive that horrible day every time I hear it, and I cant stop playing it.

Im sending it to 'that girl' as a way of letting her know what she meant, and will always mean to me.

My GOD when he sings, "So if she's somewhere near me, I hope to god she hears me..." and so on it just rips me apart.


Now THAT is a brilliant lyricist working with amazing lyrics.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on November 22, 2008, 05:37:21 AM
Sorry.... but COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you guys. : ok:

The simplicity of the Finck solo suits the "stripped down" feel of this song to a T. It's beautiful and the best instrumental performance on the album IMHO (with Buckethead's solo on TWAT a close 2nd). A throw back and nod to earlier GN'R eras. This is one song that I'm really glad that we don't have Buckethead or Bumblefoot wanking all over it (though their solos are fucking awesome on other tracks- and yes I know they're capable of playing mellow and with "feeling" too.). This song is like a delicate little flower that needs to be protected. Finck's solo perfectly captures that vibe IMHO. He was the right man for the job- and I have no reservation including this song on my GN'R top 10 and possibly top 5.

But as you said- to each their own! :beer:

I couldn't have said it better. Robin fucking owns with his solo in the song. It IS that good.

I've been to a few GNR boards and the general consensus is Great amazing beautiful song but the solo is lacking.

How could it be, that I've also visited all major GNR boards and the general consensus is ''amazing song with an out of this world, outstanding guitar solo''.

To be honest, I am not surprised you dont like the solo. You seem to have something personal against Robin. Predictable.
Same here, everybody is loving Robin's solo as far as I know.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Pingouirose on November 22, 2008, 09:12:36 AM
Jarmo please tell Axl Rose to release this hit as a single. IT WOULD BOMB

IMHO, best song GNR, all periods


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Sillything on November 22, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
I have heard the song 4 o 5 times and cried like a baby every  time. It releases all the pain I have inside. I don't know if I could or even should listen to it more today. Axl thank you for being the brave amazing artist you are. Thank you


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on November 22, 2008, 09:21:25 AM
The solo is great. Robin is good technically, but does not let the technical aspect overshadow the feel he has, the emotion that comes out of his playing. B-Foot is a technical wizard ( as well as Bucket) but they could not pull of the solo with the raw emotion that Robin does.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Catcher on November 22, 2008, 10:05:21 AM
I've changed my mind, even Catcher doesn't beat this. Not only is it the best Guns N' Roses song ever, it is also the most beautiful song ever written. Better than November Rain, better than Estranged, better than anything. This song showcases Axl's enormous talent better than any other song. Extremely moving song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Olorin on November 22, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
I'm amazed how popular this is.

I think its ok, I never really get an urge to play it though, and it certainly wouldnt make my top 10 Guns N Roses songs.

Its different and I admire it for that.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Aero on November 22, 2008, 10:30:35 AM

I found lyrics interesting... this song was rumored to be the part 3 of the UYI trilogy... part 2 is November and the lady dies at the end... and this song talks to god about a girl who has gone...



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on November 22, 2008, 11:20:31 AM
I agree w/ WAXLRICK, I've always wanted to hear Axl do a song like this..I always felt he could pull off more Elton  John/Billy Joel type songs.. First few sec. are questionable at 1st listen, but this song is great..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Izzy on November 22, 2008, 11:22:01 AM
Not too bad - but the beginning is so girly

I'd be embarrased to be caught listening to it, a min or two in it picks up and its fine from there on

The intro makes me cringe....its like your listening to some boy band


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: coolidge on November 22, 2008, 01:32:40 PM
Just got CD.  I love this too.  From Boston.  Just like I love Rocket Queen.  I wish Axl would respond to this.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GeraldFord on November 22, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
I hope they release this as a single.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 22, 2008, 03:51:34 PM
HAHAHA im such a douche


I just now realized this song has drums in it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



Only took 500 listens


WTF is wrong with me :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LordRazZ on November 22, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
Best song of the album. One of the best GnR songs ever written in my mind.

Fn amazing


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Flyguy_1ca on November 22, 2008, 03:58:42 PM

I found lyrics interesting... this song was rumored to be the part 3 of the UYI trilogy... part 2 is November and the lady dies at the end... and this song talks to god about a girl who has gone...



I too have been wondering if This I Love is the mythical Part III.  I've also heard people say that there never was a Part III to the, (Part I) Don't Cry, (Part 2) November Rain, and (Part IV) Estranged....and that Estranged was just labeled Part IV because Axl and Stephanie broke up before the video to Estranged so it basically messed it up.  Anyone know?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 22, 2008, 04:02:58 PM
I am gonna say that YES it is part III because if u listen to them in order *DAMN WHAT A GREAT IDEA* they all fit a great story.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: circusboy666 on November 22, 2008, 09:52:41 PM
this is by far the only song i wish wasnt on the album. it makes him sound like a stalker loser. and straight up the rhyming is awful! i didnt like scraped the first few times i heard it and now i love it but this one just wont grow on me.....i know everyone has different tastes, but i just dont get this one.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 22, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
the chorus part to this song (the way Axl sings it with aggression) to how he sounds in the first verse
makes this song...

and how it ends is the perfect touch...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on November 22, 2008, 10:40:09 PM
fantastic song.The November Rain/Estranged of Chinese Democracy
I agree. I adore this song. It should be in a movie or epic video!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on November 22, 2008, 10:41:30 PM
I've changed my mind, even Catcher doesn't beat this. Not only is it the best Guns N' Roses song ever, it is also the most beautiful song ever written. Better than November Rain, better than Estranged, better than anything. This song showcases Axl's enormous talent better than any other song. Extremely moving song.
I have to agree!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: NEWportTimbo on November 22, 2008, 11:18:20 PM
Not too bad - but the beginning is so girly

I'd be embarrased to be caught listening to it, a min or two in it picks up and its fine from there on

The intro makes me cringe....its like your listening to some boy band

TOTALLY!!!  I am so glad you said that.  I have it on for my roomate.  I was totally emarased in the first 2, after that... it was somewhat better. 

I am not a fan at all...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on November 23, 2008, 12:36:25 AM
TIL can, could only be created by one man -

It is perfection


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: KrazyJ23 on November 23, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
Finally....finally.


All I can say is This I Love is hands down my favorite of the album.   The song is stunningly stark and reverent....it oozes emotion and pain.    The solo gives me goosebumps even now.   Only one man could have made this song in all it's melodrama and melody.   The most honest, soul-baring, genuine piece of music I've heard.

This is losing the one you love most encapsulated in song.  'Nuff Said.
 : ok:



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DEAD HORSE on November 23, 2008, 04:28:26 PM
this song to me, it the best proof of Axl's voice, it's PERFECT! I love this song. so far my favorite.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: SonofAGun on November 23, 2008, 05:36:23 PM
Best song on the album in my opinion. Very simple and memorable.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: burnz007 on November 23, 2008, 06:29:43 PM
This song is so powerful and so deep... the raw emotion transmitted via Axl's vocals is amazing !!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: oldgunsfan on November 23, 2008, 06:48:27 PM
this is quickly becoming one of my favorites on the album


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mike McKagan on November 24, 2008, 12:43:51 AM
People keep comparing this song to Andrew Lloyd Webber, but that seems a bit off to me.  It actually sounds astonishingly like some of the instrumental music from Bricusse and Wildhorne's JEKYLL & HYDE, which, coincidentally, Sebastian Bach starred in on Broadway.  Small world, eh?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: SLCPUNK on November 24, 2008, 01:25:56 AM
Emotion takes the place of big production on this track.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Frequent Flyer on November 24, 2008, 02:30:50 AM
Tear inducingly beautiful song. Just like November Rain and Estranged before it, this is Axl at his most open. I think we all have or have had someone in our life who we wished could hear these exact words, and that's the beauty of this song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jarrod on November 24, 2008, 05:11:22 AM
Quote
Tear inducingly beautiful song. Just like November Rain and Estranged before it, this is Axl at his most open. I think we all have or have had someone in our life who we wished could hear these exact words, and that's the beauty of this song.

I agree 100%

Only, the girl I wish could hear these exact words WILL be hearing them soon.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Prez on November 24, 2008, 05:37:38 AM
This I love is one of best traks I heard from Guns and out there in general. Indeed so deep and emotional. However, a Belgium newspaper (De Morgen), which has a very good name for it's content and quality, only give the album a 2 on 6 or so and the song 'This I Love' is being described as 'one of the worst song ever'...  ???


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 24, 2008, 06:41:48 AM
I think This I Love could of been another good album closer if it was last in the tracklist...

Its a great song no doubt.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: eragon on November 24, 2008, 07:23:54 AM
A great song none to less. One of my favourites. I'm realy impressed by the way how Axl sings this song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: nate76 on November 24, 2008, 08:51:04 AM
To everyone who thinks that the wive's and girlfriends will love this song, my wife hates it.  And she loves all the older GnR and some of the newer stuff.  But she can't stand how is voice sounds in the beginning.  And I have to agree.  His voice tone is nothing like patience or November Rain.  He sounds out of key half the time.  And before anybody gets all defensive.  I saw Gnr in 01, 02, and 06.  And I thought 06 Axl sounded the best.  I know C.D. is musically different than the old stuff, but I thought he would still be able to sing like he used to.  BTW, Sorry is my favorite track on C.D. , and TIL will never be anything like Estranged or November Rain, not even in the same stratosphere.  We all are the diehards, the general public will not like the majority of the ballads on this record.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: wight gunner on November 24, 2008, 09:27:50 AM
Its on my list of songs, with Don't Cry to be played at my funeral, I am not in a hurry mind you...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mobenrad on November 24, 2008, 10:08:26 AM
Its on my list of songs, with Don't Cry to be played at my funeral, I am not in a hurry mind you...

I want "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" by Israel Kamakawiwo'ole played at mine. That and "Life is Beautiful" by Sixx:AM.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on November 24, 2008, 12:24:16 PM
I think this song will become a new classic, the first impression I got was "woooa Axl's voice is great and the heart he puts into it it's magnificent" I really hope this song goes in the concerts  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Stealthcamo on November 24, 2008, 12:40:57 PM
It is MAJESTIC 8)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 24, 2008, 02:47:55 PM
Listening to this song now, love it as always.

So glad it didn't leak out.

Honestly, I would an entire album with this kind of production.

The song is perfect. The solo is a little sharp, but fits I think. I have NO complaints in the end.

The best song on this CD. Such a masterpiece. Please God let it be a single. It is untouchable.

Love the smooth guitars in the middle of the song. Awesome.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on November 24, 2008, 02:50:37 PM
Listening to this song now, love it as always.

So glad it didn't leak out.

Honestly, I would an entire album with this kind of production.

The song is perfect. The solo is a little sharp, but fits I think. I have NO complaints in the end.

The best song on this CD. Such a masterpiece. Please God let it be a single. It is untouchable.

Love the smooth guitars in the middle of the song. Awesome.
Well said.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Alina on November 24, 2008, 02:55:15 PM
my favorite song from the albom !


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dickeye on November 24, 2008, 04:05:16 PM
Robin's solo is stunning, sadly I think it's another reason why this song won't be played live.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on November 24, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
Robin's solo is stunning, sadly I think it's another reason why this song won't be played live.
Listen to some of BBF's work - no reason this guy can't improve on Robins solo - let alone just 'copy' it.  4tus and Ron can handle the guitar duties if they need to...but, hopefully there will be 3 when the tour begins.

I am more concerned how the songs with 4 + 5 layers of guitar will sound live.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Dickeye on November 24, 2008, 04:26:54 PM
Robin's solo is stunning, sadly I think it's another reason why this song won't be played live.
Listen to some of BBF's work - no reason this guy can't improve on Robins solo - let alone just 'copy' it.  4tus and Ron can handle the guitar duties if they need to...but, hopefully there will be 3 when the tour begins.

I am more concerned how the songs with 4 + 5 layers of guitar will sound live.

I think Ron is more than capable of playing this solo, but noone can recreate Robin's soul.

I think Pitman will have a backup plan for the dual layered songs : ok: :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jim Bob on November 24, 2008, 06:32:51 PM
The solo is probably the musical highlight of the album for me.    Its fucking perfect for the song.

As for playing it live, I don't know it seems like it might be a bit of a hard song for Axl to do live because of how heavy the song is emotionally. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: doooodickiebr on November 24, 2008, 06:51:49 PM
i love this song.  i picture a dark stadium with axl and his piano under a spotlight with a smoky haze surrounding it.  awesome!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: King Axl on November 24, 2008, 07:50:39 PM
The first two minutes of this song are so stirring...I can't explain how beautiful it is. Chicks would go crazy for this.

Then...a guitar solo?

I would have much rather preferred both the guitar and drums out of this song, and just let it be a simple piano driven number, with more orchestral arrangements. Axl's on top of his game vocally here, though.

A Guns N' Roses classic, but with the unnecessary guitar solo, it will be hard for Top 40 stations to put this on their playlist.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: damnthehaters on November 24, 2008, 08:36:04 PM
I could see Axl playing this song on the AMA's, MTV Awards, or some event like that.  I think it would be awesome. 

And people think Street of Dreams is the November Rain...but I think this is...  Anybody else agree?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Axlover on November 24, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
Beautiful, haunting, epic, perfect, stunning, a fucking masterpiece. It sends chills down my spine EVERY time I listen to it. Makes me want to fall in love with him. He sounds so sad and his vocals are so haunting.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bumblefeet on November 24, 2008, 09:31:49 PM
It was the song where I said to myself "it was worth the wait"!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Gunner80 on November 24, 2008, 11:58:03 PM
Man this song is magic. I love the vocals on this piece. Very operatic in the way Axl delivers the vocal line.  A+

P.S.The guitar solo is sublime. It's not November Rain get over it. The way the guitar solo is laid over the melody is perfect. :drool:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: fr8train on November 25, 2008, 12:24:09 AM
This I Love ..................... Grammy 2009 ............There I said it !!!!

Surprisingly for me (I'm an old timer),  I have been listenening to Riad and Shacklers. Those songs rock, they are so tight. Cant stop listenening to them.

This album &%$^in rocks. If any one thinks otherwise they need their head examined, I know a few good neurologists !!!!

Is it me or there is very little time between tracks and they basically just play into one another? I love it, no time to breath and the next track is in your face.

Axl I know your reading these posts. Thank you !!! You &%$^in  did it man !!!! Congrats !!!!



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lostrose on November 25, 2008, 12:48:52 AM
I agree that this is the best song on the albumn.  I loved it within 30 seconds of the first time i heard it. 

As for the "unneccessary" guitar solo...  That shit is key.  And that's the problem with today's music i think.  the lack of Bluesy solos.  i LOVE this whole fuckin albumn. 


IT IS EVERYTHING I EXPECTED.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on November 25, 2008, 12:54:29 AM
Now This I Love!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: McGann on November 25, 2008, 10:13:51 AM
My dad's no young guy...
He's in his mid-seventies...
It blew him away.

Huge opera fan...
Said the song "is BEAUTIFUL"
Wants to hear again.

Splash

/Mike


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mobenrad on November 25, 2008, 10:50:35 AM
The first two minutes of this song are so stirring...I can't explain how beautiful it is. Chicks would go crazy for this.

Then...a guitar solo?

I would have much rather preferred both the guitar and drums out of this song, and just let it be a simple piano driven number, with more orchestral arrangements. Axl's on top of his game vocally here, though.

A Guns N' Roses classic, but with the unnecessary guitar solo, it will be hard for Top 40 stations to put this on their playlist.

I like the guitar solo, I just don't like how long it is. Finck does a good job, but to be completely honest, this song feels like it needs Fortus playing some lead. He doesn't get any fucking spotlight in this album. It's quite sad, because I was almost certain it was his solo on If the World, it sounded so much like his playing during RiR Lisbon.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GeorgeSteele on November 25, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
I haven't had time to flip back through all the posts and figure out if this was said before or not...but who are we assuming this is about?

Everyone is assuming Stephanie Seymour I guess...but I don't know how much truth to that there is...was there anybody else? Could it be anybody else?

My guess would be that it's about his mother.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on November 25, 2008, 11:25:11 AM
the solo has grown on me..

the song's so beatiful, the last part is just.. *sighs*


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on November 25, 2008, 01:17:28 PM
Wow, the love is still pouring in for this song.  After several listens, I have to say it's not as annoying as when I first heard it.  But I can't see how so many of you think it's the best track on CD. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: kuruptlon on November 25, 2008, 02:28:00 PM
Wow, the love is still pouring in for this song.  After several listens, I have to say it's not as annoying as when I first heard it.  But I can't see how so many of you think it's the best track on CD. 

Yeah I feel the same way... Before i got CD, everyone was saying how this is the best song on the album and the best of the unheard songs and all that. I listened to the cd straight through to get the whole affect, and after I heard 'Sorry' I was so amazed that i had this smile on my face like 'wow and everyone is saying that This I Love is the best new track cant wait'. Then I heard This I Love and was like what am I missing....Maybe I just read into the hype too much or something I dont know. Its a good track, just was expecting more.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 25, 2008, 02:45:30 PM
I sent the song to a friend of mine.... he is one of those people that want a reunion, but dont hate axl and  havent really heard anything new from the new guns.

I just sent it to him and he replied:

"It is awesome."

"Is the album out?"

-I said yes, I just bought it-

"Im going to buy it tomorrow at the virgin store."

(he pauses for a second, like he is still listening to the song again and says:)

"Better yet Im going to go and buy it right now !!"
 ;D

This song makes non believers see the light :peace:



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bansidhe on November 25, 2008, 05:02:08 PM
Found this. It's an early piano demo of Estranged. First 20 seconds or so seem to be part of This I Love. Guessing that the song has been worked on in some form since at least 1990.

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=NLpbijqEg4U&feature=related


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Eva GnRAxlRosette on November 25, 2008, 08:30:58 PM
This I Love  :love:

this is what i got to say about This I Love:
My favorite vocal from Axl - Axl's vocals are gorgeous... perfect even
powerful & vulnerable. forlorn & hopeful... succinct & beautifully detailed
subtle & instense... both precariously & perfectly balanced...

the piano  and the orchestration... just gorgeous

Robin's solo  :love: 
Robin's guitar sings... cries out with emotion that reaches inside me searing, burning, soaring - it cuts into me, enters me, stirs my insides - deeply touching... simultaneously making me aware of a 'void' and somehow filling it with pure hot white sound 

This I Love (and Better) particularly showcase the beautiful and powerful chemistry between Axl and Robin (specifically)

(http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/87a36573137888f49e006826c8b5550eead358fe.jpg)
This I Love


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Robman? on November 25, 2008, 08:53:16 PM
This song is one of my favorites on the album.

The only possible flaw i can point out, that kinda annoys me, is the guitar work during the chorus right after the solo. The lead part just doesnt work with the melody of the chorus and just serves to make that whole section too messy.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on November 25, 2008, 08:54:25 PM
this song is fucking EPIC

its such a vaginal song but i don't care i still love it. Its my second favorite song on the album and deffinatly in the top 5 best songs ever in my opinion

:peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lady Livin on November 25, 2008, 10:29:16 PM
its such a vaginal song

 :rofl: Seriously. No disrespect or nothin'.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: warrocks on November 25, 2008, 10:31:33 PM
absolutely beautiful!! anybody got the lyrics?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lady Livin on November 25, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
Buy the album! They're in the booklet!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: warrocks on November 25, 2008, 11:04:09 PM
I don't know if it arrived already in Chile, I'll find out tomorrow  :hihi: :beer:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lara on November 25, 2008, 11:23:59 PM
This song got me misty-eyed.

The vocals are amazing and flawless, as they are all over the album.
The solo was great, however I wouldn't mind it a bit heavier or the song getting heavier towards the end.

Anyway, still beautiful.
Makes a girl wish someone wrote it for her.  ;D


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Xtap on November 25, 2008, 11:28:24 PM
Makes a girl wish someone wrote it for her.  ;D
What, you wish that you had totally destroyed someone's heart? :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on November 25, 2008, 11:39:20 PM
its such a vaginal song

 :rofl: Seriously. No disrespect or nothin'.

lol yeah i'm seriouse. Its a Great song and i love it but its such a chick song. its gonna be the song that pulls in newer teenaged girls into the fan base and i can TOTALLY see that song being played at a concert with all the girls and D going AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and all the dudes going awww what the fuck. As for me, i'm some where in the middle, the guy that puts his arm around his date and some stranger with lighters in hand


.........that reminds me, say jarmo, can you make a smiley like that where the lil guy is like waving a lighter? gracious ;D


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 26, 2008, 01:10:08 AM
Makes a girl wish someone wrote it for her.  ;D
What, you wish that you had totally destroyed someone's heart? :P

Sounds like a few of the girls I had the... ahem... "pleasure" of dating. :no:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Hinge on November 26, 2008, 02:48:09 AM
Just MY opinion..... I think the song is a little boring and a little monotenous.
I am suprised it is the most popular song from the album on HTGH.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: mdttkk on November 26, 2008, 02:51:01 AM
for sure my favorite song on the album.  Sounds something that would belong in the Illusions.  Was this song scrapped from that album because Axl thought it wasn't finished?  Anyway it sounds like its from that era and quite different than any of the other ballads on Chinese Democracy.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 26, 2008, 03:58:06 AM
Just MY opinion..... I think the song is a little boring and a little monotenous.
I am suprised it is the most popular song from the album on HTGH.

I disagree with your opinion of the song- which, of course, is cool. : ok:

That said- to answer your question- I think its popularity is largely explainable by the fact that in contrast to rest of the album (which is amazing IMHO)- it's the one track that really sounds like classic "Guns N' Roses" (Illusion era at least). Axl's vocals are direct and endearingly sincere and Robin's solo rather than being a blast of virtuosity or pro-tools is lathered in Slash's left-over Jack Daniels. Just an absolutely gorgeous and nostalgic track for so many of us. A real gift from Axl to change up pace on an album so precise and painstakingly arranged and throw the long-time fans a track like that on track 13. I was floored the first time I heard the song- in fact I couldn't even finish it the first time through I was so overcome. Hope that helps. Anyway- just my view of things. :smoking:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Ulises on November 26, 2008, 08:13:12 AM
First of all, the best song of GN'R's history. A few days ago I could say that "Estranged" was the biggest song but today...my point of view totally changed

I would like to listen this baby played live but I think that's quite impossible, I see Axl very commited with his feelings here. I don't think this is easy for him to play live.
This is our reward for those who stayed loyal through this years.


You need big balls to sing and communicate something like this. Axl have it.

If listening this song you don't feel anything, you're made of stone.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on November 26, 2008, 01:45:23 PM
I love everything about this song, probably top5 GNR ever

the solo gave me goosebumps before :)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: spyder8739 on November 26, 2008, 02:05:33 PM
 It sounds like something right out of a musical lol. It's OK, not a big fan tho.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lara on November 26, 2008, 02:36:26 PM
Makes a girl wish someone wrote it for her.  ;D
What, you wish that you had totally destroyed someone's heart? :P

Not a big deal, but my point is a girl who breaks a guy's heart (intentionaly or not) would rather have him writing a beautiful song about it than being an ass trying to hurt her back.
That's about how it works I guess.  :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: freedom78 on November 26, 2008, 03:02:24 PM
Makes a girl wish someone wrote it for her.  ;D
What, you wish that you had totally destroyed someone's heart? :P

Not a big deal, but my point is a girl who breaks a guy's heart (intentionaly or not) would rather have him writing a beautiful song about it than being an ass trying to hurt her back.
That's about how it works I guess.  :P

Then again, if that guy happens to front a world famous rock band, then I'd argue that the song writing could be far worse than, say, him destroying all this shit she left at his place after the breakup.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: doooodickiebr on November 26, 2008, 03:36:46 PM
are we sure this song is about stephanie?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ben9785 on November 26, 2008, 05:41:44 PM
Beautiful song, can't get enough of it. The orchestration reminded me a bit of X Japan, with the strings and the harp.

And Robin's solo is amazing, complements the song perfectly.

One last note; it sounds alot like 'younger Axl' on this song if you know what I mean. His voice has changed a bit over the years especially in comparison to other songs on the album, but this one reminds me of classic Axl


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Doc Emmett Brown on November 27, 2008, 12:04:34 AM
Architecturally, this song is the equivalent of the palace at Versailles - lush, lavish and luxurious in sound and melody. 

The histrionic lyrics are over the top but intended to be just so. It took me a few listens, but I like it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 27, 2008, 12:10:36 AM
the simplicity of the lyrics and the way Axl sings them make the song sound so impressive

this is the classiest song on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 27, 2008, 01:27:23 AM
I can't get this song away from my soul. It's such a touching song in every way. The lyrics are so great.

The harp is stunning and the guitar and solo rivet your spine


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: damnthehaters on November 27, 2008, 01:44:04 AM
please Axl... perform this song at the grammy's ...
so good!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: lostdream on November 28, 2008, 01:43:09 PM
Again I find myself listening to that INCREDIBLY AMAZING song over and over again.
I can?t get enough of it, the more I listen to it the more I love it. It?s like a drug, I?m addicted to that song. I love most of the album but that song is something so very special I just can?t put it into words.

I listen to all kinds of music and I like each of my favourite songs in its own special way. Life is diversity to me though Guns and Aerosmith hold a VERY special place in my heart. But of all the songs I have listened to in my whole life, NO ONE impressed me like this one. It?s pure heart and soul caught in a song, which is VERY RARE. Waiting all those years was worth it just for that one song. At least for me.

I know that I will NEVER get tired of it and that I will love it in 20 years from now.

Thank you Axl, thank you so much for this song!!!!

love, lostdream


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on November 28, 2008, 01:53:36 PM
This I Love proves that old adage to still be very true:  Sometimes less is more.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on November 28, 2008, 02:04:18 PM
I love the Slash-esque solo..This must be B-Foot..As he said he felt some songs sounded to robotic and he put a little blues/dirt in to give them the GN'R sound..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axl2 on November 28, 2008, 02:12:00 PM
I love the Slash-esque solo..This must be B-Foot..As he said he felt some songs sounded to robotic and he put a little blues/dirt in to give them the GN'R sound..

That was Robin Finck playing that particular solo. The whole album has a lot of blues in it. Mostly from Finck and Thal.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on November 28, 2008, 02:36:26 PM
I love the Slash-esque solo..This must be B-Foot..As he said he felt some songs sounded to robotic and he put a little blues/dirt in to give them the GN'R sound..

buy the album and read the song credits and shit and you'll see who played what : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on November 28, 2008, 06:18:32 PM
My mistake, the credits do list the solo as Robin..The main point I was trying to make was how the solo has the old GN'R sound, yet it sounds natural and not forced....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gunns1 on November 29, 2008, 04:29:12 AM
Youtube video of a piano cover of This I Love

everyone should watch it, its brilliant to say the least


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=i6y0sK2vzd0


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jazjme on November 29, 2008, 04:49:12 AM
wow that was awesome!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Chief on November 29, 2008, 05:23:37 AM
Sweet piano cover!!!

This song is great.. i wasn't completely sold on it at first but man this is Axl letting it all out.

I think it's kind of a farewell to that era of his life too.. i just felt that while listening to it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bolton on November 29, 2008, 05:53:21 AM
where can i found lyrics for this great song?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: dimitrisaxl on November 29, 2008, 06:03:50 AM
where can i found lyrics for this great song?

Buy the cd. You'll find 13 more great songs...  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 29, 2008, 06:17:33 AM
Youtube video of a piano cover of This I Love

everyone should watch it, its brilliant to say the least


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=i6y0sK2vzd0

Thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed watching a great pianist play one of my (new) all-time favorites.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bolton on November 29, 2008, 06:24:38 AM
where can i found lyrics for this great song?

Buy the cd. You'll find 13 more great songs...  : ok:
In Serbia cd will be realised late in december.
My friend from france bought two copies for me,and they are on the way :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thorned Rose on November 29, 2008, 12:15:26 PM
very cool cover of the song, that chick is good...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on November 29, 2008, 12:23:15 PM
I wouldn't worry about album sales #'s UNTIL "This I Love" comes out as a single and goes nowhere...

This song will be HUGE if GN'R/Axl put it out as a single. All of my friends who are general rock fans and casual GN'R fans (of the old band) have ALL immediately gravitated to this song as the best on the album. It screams "Classic Guns N' Roses" (Illusions era at least) to them... and I imagine to a good deal many more people... like those millions out there that first got into the band after the "November Rain" video...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: give_it_a_rest on November 29, 2008, 12:28:03 PM
where can i found lyrics for this great song?





And now I don?t know why
She wouldn?t say goodbye
But then it seems that I
Had seen it in her eyes
And it might not be wise
I?d still have to try
With all the love I have inside
I can?t deny

I just can?t let it die
Cause her heart?s just like mine
And she holds her pain inside
So if you ask me why
She wouldn?t say goodbye
I know somewhere inside
There is a special light
Still shining bright
And even on the darkest night
She can?t deny

So if she?s somewhere near me
I hope to God she hears me
There?s no one else could ever make me feel
I?m so alive
I hoped she?d never leave me
Please God you must believe me
I?ve searched the universe and found myself
Within? her eyes

No matter how I try
They say it?s all a lie
So what?s the use of my
Confessions to a crime
Of passions that won?t die
In my heaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart

So if she?s somewhere near me
I hope to God she hears me
There?s no one else could ever make me feel
I?m so alive
I hoped she?d never leave me
Please God you must believe me
I?ve searched the universe and found myself
Within? her eyes

Guitar Solo

So if she?s somewhere near me
I hope to God she hears me
There?s no one else could ever make me feel
I?m so alive
I hoped she?d never leave me
Please God you must believe me
I?ve searched the universe and found myself
Within? her eyes

And now I don?t know why
She wouldn?t say goodbye
It just might be that I
Had seen it in her eyes
And now it seems that I
Gave up my ghost of pride
I?ll never say goodbye aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeye


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: western_chaos on November 29, 2008, 01:03:22 PM
Yes, this is a great song indeed... It's actually my second favorite behind better, but that's because I love better. There is so much going on in that song.

But this I love, is much more simple, and thats part of the reason it's so good.  :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: russkwtx on November 29, 2008, 01:56:41 PM
Great song. Really takes a lot of guts to open yourself and reveal yourself to the world like this song does.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on November 29, 2008, 02:11:14 PM
I can't listen to this song without tearing up.
 :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bitch Slap Rappin on December 04, 2008, 10:57:24 AM
I like this song. It has a theatrical feel in it and would never had thought that Axl would open up the scars on his heart to tell us all what is going on under the scar.
Did anyone notice that the melody of Axls vocals sounds somewhat similiar to the guitar-lead-section of Master of Puppets from Metallica?
(Maybe it's just me.)  : ok: :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Zartan on December 05, 2008, 08:29:25 AM
Really? 

I mean, I love the album, but This I Love is by far my least favorite song.  I don't hate it, but it is nowhere near as good as Sorry or Scraped.  Just thought I'd offer a different opinion...no offense if you love the song.  I'm just not feeling it...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: otgm on December 05, 2008, 08:40:04 AM
Axl sounds too feminine in the chorus, like his voice doesn't have any power at all. Very annoying. Otherwise the song is ok, I guess. I'd prefer his UYI era voice over the clean squeel though.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: wells on December 05, 2008, 09:01:19 AM
Axl sounds too feminine in the chorus, like his voice doesn't have any power at all. Very annoying. Otherwise the song is ok, I guess. I'd prefer his UYI era voice over the clean squeel though.

yeah, you can hear that clean squeel in Street Of Dreams also...  ::)... people will always complain. This I Love is song that sounds Axl wanted it to not like he now has problems with voice and it can not sound different...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Zartan on December 05, 2008, 10:07:38 AM
I don't have any problems with the vocals--in fact I think Axl sounds better than ever on the album.  This I Love, in my opinion, just sounds like it's from Sweeney Todd and the lyrics are a bit too cheesy.  I don't know...I like the song, but it is definitely not one of my favorites...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on December 05, 2008, 10:20:14 AM
Really? 

I mean, I love the album, but This I Love is by far my least favorite song.  I don't hate it, but it is nowhere near as good as Sorry or Scraped.  Just thought I'd offer a different opinion...no offense if you love the song.  I'm just not feeling it...

I totally agree.  Do you know that HTGTH members have voted it their favorite song off CD?  :confused:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on December 05, 2008, 10:24:06 AM
if no one votes it I will. as i can't decide my fav off cd. too many beautiful songs.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mobenrad on December 05, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
if no one votes it I will. as i can't decide my fav off cd. too many beautiful songs.

For real mate. There's so many good ones, they're all great. I dislike choosing.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: hooliganscomics on December 05, 2008, 11:08:18 AM
  This I Love, in my opinion, just sounds like it's from Sweeney Todd and the lyrics are a bit too cheesy.  I don't know...I like the song, but it is definitely not one of my favorites...

I agree. I really don't understand everyones love of this song. People love ballads I guess no matter how bad the lyrics are.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on December 09, 2008, 09:01:51 AM
the lyrics are fucking amazing, if you've ever found true love then got heartbroken, you can feel every word


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Eazy E on December 09, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
I don't get the love affair with this song either... I can listen to it and enjoy it, but I'm not sure where all of these "stunning" and "breathtaking" comments are coming from.  I also find it really bizarre that a lot of people agree this would be a huge hit if released as a single... it would crash and burn right out of the gates as a single.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AxlsMainMan on December 09, 2008, 11:17:13 AM
I disagree.

Aside from us Gn'R fans, I can see soccer moms and people who have never even heard of Gn'R eating this tune up.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Eazy E on December 09, 2008, 11:24:53 AM
I disagree.

Aside from us Gn'R fans, I can see soccer moms and people who have never even heard of Gn'R eating this tune up.

Soccer moms make huge hits out of Bon Jovi singles, but I think this is too different... anyone who hasn't heard of GN'R but likes this kind of music knows that radio and TV is the LAST place to find it.  Even if people enjoyed it, I couldn't see it having any sort of legs.

I just can't picture it, this is an 'album' song through and through IMO. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Trist805 on December 14, 2008, 01:55:43 AM
I just started to appreciate this song.  I only listened to it once or twice before, but only half listening, and I usually skipped it before.   I finally realized how great it is.   I really like the piano and guitar with the vocals and the solo is really cool.  It's probably the most tasteful song on the album.  This and Catcher really got me into Fink and Bumblefoot. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: western_chaos on December 14, 2008, 02:28:11 AM
This song was voted the best song off cd, so it's fair to say that the ones who don't like This I Love are very outnumbered.

This song is awesome. Liked it the first time I heard it.

I'm not sure if this would be such a great choice as a single, not sure how well mainstream radio would react to this, but only time will tell. I don't make predictions or pretend to know the truth like some of the other users on this board.  ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bodhi on December 14, 2008, 04:17:56 AM
This song was voted the best song off cd, so it's fair to say that the ones who don't like This I Love are very outnumbered.

This song is awesome. Liked it the first time I heard it.



agreed...the first time I heard this song was at the NYC listening party and I was blown away....it is my favorite song off the of "CD".... I have said it before, in my opinion this might be the best song Axl has written(that we have heard of course)...It is right up there with "November Rain", "Estranged", etc... This is the type of song that should make people feel foolish for mentioning Slash, Duff or any reunion nonsense....actually I think the whole album pretty much makes reunion talk sound foolish, but this song especially... : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Eclipsed107 on December 14, 2008, 01:31:33 PM
The song is a pretty song, but it's not even in my top 5 from the album.  In fact it probably ranks down at the bottom.  I don't know why, I want to love it, I just don't.  It's a great piece of work, just not one I connect with I guess.

The same can be said for CITR, which is my least favorite song on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Gunsaddicted on December 14, 2008, 05:29:06 PM
 :love: Great song! :yes:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 14, 2008, 08:04:12 PM
This song NEEDS to be in the TWILIGHT movie sequel!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNR4L on December 14, 2008, 08:19:31 PM
Alot of my friends think the song is too soft ? I disagree ! what do you guy's think ?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TomFriend on December 14, 2008, 08:26:57 PM
Alot of my friends think the song is too soft ? I disagree ! what do you guy's think ?

I think it's way too visceral to be considered soft, but I guess the headbanging crowd may think otherwise.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: *Timothy* on December 14, 2008, 08:28:02 PM
This song NEEDS to be in the TWILIGHT movie sequel!

Gawd ! please no !!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Black Betty on December 14, 2008, 08:33:01 PM
A lot of people don't get this song, calling it soft or whatever. The truth is the song hits an emotional thread most are not ready to venture into. The song is a masterpiece, barnone.  It has every element within the top and tail to be a hit, and is the most dramatic over the top song Axl has ever written. The emotional content is super heavy, not cheesy like stated before. If you don't get it fine, say you don't get it, most won't for several listens.  Your mind won't allow you to get it until you're heart is ready.  Then you'll be ballin' like a baby. :crying:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Continental Drift on December 14, 2008, 08:37:14 PM
3 weeks later... and STILL my favorite song on the album.

It's absolutely beautiful.

I love the "I'll never say good-bye" ending... sometimes you go through a break-up and everyone hovers over you (with the best of intentions) and tells you- "You've GOT to move on man-" or "Forget her- she was a bitch-" or whatever... and it just doesn't work for you because you still love the woman- and ACTING like these people want you to is nothing more than a cheap charade ("ghost of pride"). Axl may have discovered something very therapeutic here- i.e. actually it's best just to acknowledge the love in your heart for that person rather than killing it (afterall what good ever comes from killing something as beautiful as love?) and try to move on in your life notwithstanding that love. More authentic. Just my take anyway- and "This I Love" is DEFINITELY right up there with "Don't Cry", "November Rain", "Estranged" in my book- in fact it's neck-and-neck with "Estranged" as my favorite of the set. : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on December 14, 2008, 11:32:52 PM
This song NEEDS to be in the TWILIGHT movie sequel!

Gawd ! please no !!!!

For the love of Axl and all things holy, NO!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: SkeletorSerpent on December 14, 2008, 11:42:49 PM
Amazing! Beautiful! Heart on his sleeve vulnerability. Anyone who has been in love with someone who doesn't love him or her back can relate to the simple beauty and child-like truth of this song. The torture of unrequited love. Or lost love (death or divorce)

The most prolific and truthful line:
"I can?t deny

I just can?t let it die
Cause her heart?s just like mine
And she holds her pain inside"

It is amazing the rage and angst and sorrow that comes through his voice as he cracks it and raises his smooth vocals into his primal scream trying to release years of repressed pain and depression. It is the sound of a heart that never got over a girl and has spent many years alone as it tried to "lie to itself" by being with another girl or lover, but always felt alone and empty, even when in her arms. He couldn't stop thinking about her, even when in her arms. The lump in his heart, throat, and chest that won't go away and the knot in his stomach. So he probably put on a fake smile and went on lying to his heart, but his heart yearned for the love it just couldn't forget.

Axl is fuckin genius, a redneck Shakespeare.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Sillything on December 15, 2008, 04:36:11 PM
Can't praise this song enought, tears in my eyes almost everytime


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MrIntensity on December 15, 2008, 07:06:21 PM
This is my favorite track on the album.

I had been waiting for it since I seen the movie "What Dreams May Come".. back around the year 2000. I think if you watch/understand the movie, you'll have a greater appreciation for this song. The movie is about a man, who dies/goes to heaven, and is united with his two children.. but his wife is no where to be found. She goes to hell, because she takes her own life.... Robin Williams character can not deal with the love of his life in hell, so he decides he is going to go rescue her.. he'll only be able to if she is indeed, his twin soul. If she is not, she won't be able to recognize him, and he'll be doomed to eternal life in hell with her....  and thus, the plot of the movie, rent it and enjoy.....

So, knowing how deep the movie was, and knowing "This I love" was being considered for the soundtrack, I always assumed it would be a pretty emotional song.. and is it ever... perfect mood, perfect lyrics, the desperation in Axl's voice gives a glimpse into at times what I am sure has been a tortured soul... his own, I am so happy he put this on the record.

Can you believe he held this track back for 10 years?

Amazing.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: grog mug on December 15, 2008, 07:15:50 PM
The more I listen the more I LOVE IT...might be the best song on the album. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 15, 2008, 09:39:23 PM
This song NEEDS to be in the TWILIGHT movie sequel!

Gawd ! please no !!!!

For the love of Axl and all things holy, NO!
Why not? THIS I LOVE is a great romantic song and TWILIGHT is a great romantic movie. Besides the movie had made over $150 million dollars, and it could introduce GNR to a whole new fanbase! It's all about the Benjamins baby!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: slash1213 on December 15, 2008, 09:43:49 PM
It 's in the top on mi list too..  same level as November rain.. It gets me every single time


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 15, 2008, 09:47:07 PM
It 's in the top on mi list too..  same level as November rain.. It gets me every single time
I agree! I may like THIS I LOVE even more than NOVEMBER RAIN and I didn't think that was possible!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: adman2374 on December 16, 2008, 12:20:21 PM
It 's in the top on mi list too..  same level as November rain.. It gets me every single time
I agree! I may like THIS I LOVE even more than NOVEMBER RAIN and I didn't think that was possible!

No, TIL is the best song ever created.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jeffaz02t on December 16, 2008, 05:11:56 PM
I have been listening to Robin's solo a lot. I am not sure if anyone here is a fan of Pink Floyd, but it reminds me a little bit of David Gilmour's work on the song "Marooned" from The Division Bell. This solo really grew on me, great job Robin!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on December 16, 2008, 07:08:10 PM
It 's in the top on mi list too..  same level as November rain.. It gets me every single time
I agree! I may like THIS I LOVE even more than NOVEMBER RAIN and I didn't think that was possible!

No, TIL is the best song ever created.

That's some people's opinion.  For me, it's the 14th best song on Chinese Democracy.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: cjmax02 on December 16, 2008, 09:54:18 PM


This I Love was the first song I heard of CD (No, I didn't hear Catcher or any of the others. And I have entirely no regrets about it either, the album as a whole is magnificent and that's what I wanted, the whole damned thing), and I found myself humming along...it was a bit like someone had found my lonesome little wailing heart's melody and done something with it. 

Worth waiting for, imho.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on December 16, 2008, 11:04:18 PM
This song NEEDS to be in the TWILIGHT movie sequel!

Gawd ! please no !!!!

For the love of Axl and all things holy, NO!
Why not? THIS I LOVE is a great romantic song and TWILIGHT is a great romantic movie. Besides the movie had made over $150 million dollars, and it could introduce GNR to a whole new fanbase! It's all about the Benjamins baby!

The song should stand on it's own, because linking it to something like that would suck for people like me, who after i saw the movie turned to the girl i was with and said "please don't ever make me watch that again."
Vampires that don't die in the light, but sparkle? Teenage true love... even though one of them is hundreds of years old?
Not what i want to think of when i hear this beautiful GNR song.





This I Love was the first song I heard of CD (No, I didn't hear Catcher or any of the others. And I have entirely no regrets about it either, the album as a whole is magnificent and that's what I wanted, the whole damned thing), and I found myself humming along...it was a bit like someone had found my lonesome little wailing heart's melody and done something with it. 

Worth waiting for, imho.

Definitely... there's something really telling in that. As soon as you hear the song, it's as if you've always known it. I think that's a good indication that something is classic and timeless. Even if you don't like this song, i can't imagine anyone saying it's not quality.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: SoulMonster on December 17, 2008, 04:21:43 AM
One of the best GnR songs, but the guitar solo in some parts is cringe worthy.

The people who say it's soft and stuff.....give them the Einstein award with a mullet attached to it. Wtf do you expect, death metal guitars in the background?

And it is not that soft if you listen, the structure itself is very heavy, including the singing in the chorus.

SCOM is soft (got a best metal song award LOL), Patience is soft.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DuffRock on December 17, 2008, 04:28:50 AM
One of the best GnR songs, but the guitar solo in some parts is cringe worthy.

The people who say it's soft and stuff.....give them the Einstein award with a mullet attached to it. Wtf do you expect, death metal guitars in the background?

And it is not that soft if you listen, the structure itself is very heavy, including the singing in the chorus.

SCOM is soft (got a best metal song award LOL), Patience is soft.

The whole song is cringeworthy and it's not just that it's soft, it's corny, one-dimensional and just plain bad imo.  I'm not a mullet-head I just really dislike this song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 17, 2008, 10:11:17 AM
This song NEEDS to be in the TWILIGHT movie sequel!

Gawd ! please no !!!!

For the love of Axl and all things holy, NO!
Why not? THIS I LOVE is a great romantic song and TWILIGHT is a great romantic movie. Besides the movie had made over $150 million dollars, and it could introduce GNR to a whole new fanbase! It's all about the Benjamins baby!

The song should stand on it's own, because linking it to something like that would suck for people like me, who after i saw the movie turned to the girl i was with and said "please don't ever make me watch that again."
Vampires that don't die in the light, but sparkle? Teenage true love... even though one of them is hundreds of years old?
Not what i want to think of when i hear this beautiful GNR song.






I respect your opinion, but after reading the entire TWILIGHT series, I still think the song fits perfectly. Edward is a very complex character. The books are better than the movie, but the more I read the books the more I loved the movie, which I have seen 3 times. I think it would be great to have this beautiful song in a hit movie so that GNR could possibly get an Academy award nomination


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on December 17, 2008, 11:43:43 AM
Not sure this has been asked. If so an Axl response like "answered" will be fine.

I had some thoughts regarding the line "Ghost of Pride" but, was interested what some of you take from it. Gave up my ghost of pride. Having to much pride in a relationship is living without compromise from your partner. Not giving in at all and being really stubborn. Ghost of pride. Like your pride died and you are living with that truth and the consequences of it. Gave up my ghost of pride means what exactly? You got your pride back? Or is it more of a Yoda kind of statement. Like what he told Anakin in Episode 3. Yoda said something like "First you must learn to let go of the thing you fear most of losing."

Anyway, I am having some trouble with this Ghost of pride line. It is probably something more straightforward. What does it mean? Thoughts?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: pilferk on December 17, 2008, 11:50:38 AM
Not sure this has been asked. If so an Axl response like "answered" will be fine.

I had some thoughts regarding the line "Ghost of Pride" but, was interested what some of you take from it. Gave up my ghost of pride. Having to much pride in a relationship is living without compromise from your partner. Not giving in at all and being really stubborn. Ghost of pride. Like your pride died and you are living with that truth and the consequences of it. Gave up my ghost of pride means what exactly? You got your pride back? Or is it more of a Yoda kind of statement. Like what he told Anakin in Episode 3. Yoda said something like "First you must learn to let go of the thing you fear most of losing."

Anyway, I am having some trouble with this Ghost of pride line. It is probably something more straightforward. What does it mean? Thoughts?

I think he means he's given up what little pride he had left by laying his feelings out so plainly in the song.  Like his pride was already pretty much dead....just a ghost of it left.  "She" more or less killed it when she left, unexpectedly.   And putting himself out there, like he does in TIL, has killed even that.

Just MHO.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on December 17, 2008, 12:59:08 PM
Not sure this has been asked. If so an Axl response like "answered" will be fine.

I had some thoughts regarding the line "Ghost of Pride" but, was interested what some of you take from it. Gave up my ghost of pride. Having to much pride in a relationship is living without compromise from your partner. Not giving in at all and being really stubborn. Ghost of pride. Like your pride died and you are living with that truth and the consequences of it. Gave up my ghost of pride means what exactly? You got your pride back? Or is it more of a Yoda kind of statement. Like what he told Anakin in Episode 3. Yoda said something like "First you must learn to let go of the thing you fear most of losing."

Anyway, I am having some trouble with this Ghost of pride line. It is probably something more straightforward. What does it mean? Thoughts?

I think he means he's given up what little pride he had left by laying his feelings out so plainly in the song.  Like his pride was already pretty much dead....just a ghost of it left.  "She" more or less killed it when she left, unexpectedly.   And putting himself out there, like he does in TIL, has killed even that.

Just MHO.

Alright I think you are much closer in your thinking. That really must be it. That sounds right. Nice, thank you.

edit: Hmmm, just thinking it over again, doesn't being a ghost already mean death has occurred? So, how can you give up what little pride is left if its already gone?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on December 17, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
for instance, a ghost of a smile means a trace of a smile.


you sometimes leave your friend/gf/ bf before they leave them to secure your pride.

edit i meant to say 'before they leave you '


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on December 17, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
i think the ghost of pride is like an act and he gave it up by laying out his emotions, telling the whole world about his feelings that are still there for this person

and since she didn't say goodbye, he's thinking "if i sing this song and letting my heart out and my ghost of pride go..  maybe she'll come back, well at least she knows i want her back.. and someday.... maybe"

cause he has fucking sen it in her eyes you know :no:

I can relate to that, i'm thinking about giving up my ghost of pride :-\

IMO it's among the absolute best songs on CD but it's probably the one i've listened to the least, beacause it's so emotionally heavy to listen to it


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on December 18, 2008, 06:56:21 AM
"Ghost o' Pride":
I took it as Ghost of Christmas Past....Pride may no longer be there but it lingers in his conciousness..Perhpas he may regain it..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on December 18, 2008, 11:35:21 AM
yup, Ghost o' Pride showed Scrooge the day when he let belle leave him.

anyway I find the words sorta contrastive to those of 'don't cry'.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: mrarkadin on December 18, 2008, 12:02:34 PM
One of the best GnR songs, but the guitar solo in some parts is cringe worthy.

The people who say it's soft and stuff.....give them the Einstein award with a mullet attached to it. Wtf do you expect, death metal guitars in the background?

And it is not that soft if you listen, the structure itself is very heavy, including the singing in the chorus.

SCOM is soft (got a best metal song award LOL), Patience is soft.

The whole song is cringeworthy and it's not just that it's soft, it's corny, one-dimensional and just plain bad imo.  I'm not a mullet-head I just really dislike this song.

I like the song. Corny, maybe, but that's true with 99pct of any pop lyrics? Even really, really good lyricists write corny love songs. Can't be helped. Isn't Sweet Child sort of a ridiculous song? For me, the real emotion of the singing, the simple beauty of the piano, the orchestration etc. help the song transcend the inherent 'corniness' of pop love song lyrics.

But I can certainly see how for some it would be a total miss. It's an extreme song, in its way, that for me, goes beyond taste--literary taste, stylistic taste etc. This isn't the stuff I listen to, generally, but the first time I heard it, I started crying.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on December 18, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
Really surprised that someone who is a fan of Axl's wouldn't like this song. It is such a vocal showcase for Axl. At first listen, when it started, I was like  :o. It was so much like a Disney Lion King kind of song (not a negative thing by any means mind you (that movie breaks me down emotionally every time)). But, as the song went, there was no denying it is beautiful. When some fools at mygnrforum were talking shit about the solo, I defended it relentlessly. The song is great. Maybe some people just don't know what it is like to really experience love and then to lose it. Some have never really loved or have been loved and made a true connection with another human being. I feel nothing but pity for these people. But, it would explain not feeling TIL.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on December 18, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
Really surprised that someone who is a fan of Axl's wouldn't like this song. It is such a vocal showcase for Axl. At first listen, when it started, I was like  :o. It was so much like a Disney Lion King kind of song (not a negative thing by any means mind you (that movie breaks me down emotionally every time)). But, as the song went, there was no denying it is beautiful. When some fools at mygnrforum were talking shit about the solo, I defended it relentlessly. The song is great. Maybe some people just don't know what it is like to really experience love and then to lose it. Some have never really loved or have been loved and made a true connection with another human being. I feel nothing but pity for these people. But, it would explain not feeling TIL.

Or you have experienced love and just aren't a big fan of this song  ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on December 18, 2008, 02:26:09 PM
Yea that song gets to me to man

and yea Sweet Child is my favorate love song its just so right man


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DuffRock on December 18, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
Really surprised that someone who is a fan of Axl's wouldn't like this song. It is such a vocal showcase for Axl. At first listen, when it started, I was like  :o. It was so much like a Disney Lion King kind of song (not a negative thing by any means mind you (that movie breaks me down emotionally every time)). But, as the song went, there was no denying it is beautiful. When some fools at mygnrforum were talking shit about the solo, I defended it relentlessly. The song is great. Maybe some people just don't know what it is like to really experience love and then to lose it. Some have never really loved or have been loved and made a true connection with another human being. I feel nothing but pity for these people. But, it would explain not feeling TIL.

Or you have experienced love and just aren't a big fan of this song  ::)

Ditto.  I got dumped last week by my girlfriend of over 2 years and I loved her intensely; I can honestly say I'd much, much, much rather listen to songs like Don't Cry, Estranged or Street Of Dreams than this drivel!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on December 18, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
o come on its the gost of GRN past
Sweet Child is a great song

Really surprised that someone who is a fan of Axl's wouldn't like this song. It is such a vocal showcase for Axl. At first listen, when it started, I was like  :o. It was so much like a Disney Lion King kind of song (not a negative thing by any means mind you (that movie breaks me down emotionally every time)). But, as the song went, there was no denying it is beautiful. When some fools at mygnrforum were talking shit about the solo, I defended it relentlessly. The song is great. Maybe some people just don't know what it is like to really experience love and then to lose it. Some have never really loved or have been loved and made a true connection with another human being. I feel nothing but pity for these people. But, it would explain not feeling TIL.

Or you have experienced love and just aren't a big fan of this song  ::)

Ditto.  I got dumped last week by my girlfriend of over 2 years and I loved her intensely; I can honestly say I'd much, much, much rather listen to songs like Don't Cry, Estranged or Street Of Dreams than this drivel!
myfriend its never to late theres a lot of chicks out there u just gota keep at it


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: otto16 on December 18, 2008, 04:19:30 PM
One great fuckin song I must say.
//See ya in Sweden this summer !!!!!!!!!! :beer:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on December 18, 2008, 04:23:50 PM
My mom digs this tune a lot.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: demo23nz on December 18, 2008, 04:42:17 PM
I liked this on first listen because it was a nice, simple contrast to the heavily produced sound of the rest of the album...

However, it wore thin pretty quickly. Soft songs are great but this one just doesn't engage me. Too much of a 'musical' sound to it, the lyrics are a touch too corny and I agree with whoever it was earlier who siad parts of the solo really don't hold up.

Ultimately, just doesn't do it for me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on December 18, 2008, 05:00:16 PM
I think the solo is very good. The instrumental part in the middle is great. I love how much Axl has let these songs have breathing room and showcase how good this band really is.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GeorgeSteele on December 18, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
I liked this on first listen because it was a nice, simple contrast to the heavily produced sound of the rest of the album...

However, it wore thin pretty quickly. Soft songs are great but this one just doesn't engage me. Too much of a 'musical' sound to it, the lyrics are a touch too corny and I agree with whoever it was earlier who siad parts of the solo really don't hold up.

Ultimately, just doesn't do it for me.

Yeah?  Well, you're ugly.

Only kidding, chief (kind of), it's just that I am intensely into this song.  The "in my heaaaaart" line delivers every time and then the first guitar note right after that as he goes into the chorus... absolute fucking killer.
 



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: demo23nz on December 18, 2008, 05:41:05 PM
Hey, I've got no problem if other people love it, it just isn't his best work according to my tastes...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: don_vercetti on December 18, 2008, 07:43:35 PM
I quite like the song, really nice simplistic intimate opening.  But I think the solo is very contrived.  All those bends and overly long held high notes just get annoying, and also, it peaks too early.  Trying to hard to put emotion into it, i imagine.

But good song, very nice piano and nice backgrounds instrumentation (harp?). 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on December 18, 2008, 07:48:30 PM
Loved the song the first couple of weeks............... If I were more depressed and in a different period of my life, It would have a deeper impact on me.

Right now, I just sort of burned out on it

The solo still sticks out like a sore thumb. It isn't as bad as I originally panned it but I usually make it up to the solo and then hit back on the CD.


Some of the most heartfelt singing I have heard from Axl though.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on December 18, 2008, 08:25:02 PM
It is so interesting to me that Axl didn't want this song on the album...it must have been written as some sort of personal therapy by Axl.  I am really thankful that the band convinced him to put it in there, because I don't think Axl has ever laid himself out for us like this.  Simple, raw, and heartfelt.  Somewhat depressing and a solo that people either love or hate...but I don't think anyone could call this anything other than 'artistic expression of raw emotion'...appreciate it for that...hell, I don't much care for the Mona Lisa - but it is a very important piece of art.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 18, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
It is so interesting to me that Axl didn't want this song on the album...it must have been written as some sort of personal therapy by Axl.  I am really thankful that the band convinced him to put it in there, because I don't think Axl has ever laid himself out for us like this.  Simple, raw, and heartfelt.  Somewhat depressing and a solo that people either love or hate...but I don't think anyone could call this anything other than 'artistic expression of raw emotion'...appreciate it for that...hell, I don't much care for the Mona Lisa - but it is a very important piece of art.
REALLY? Axl didn't want this song on the albumn? Interesting that it's my most favorite! ;)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Doc Emmett Brown on December 18, 2008, 09:26:41 PM
It is so interesting to me that Axl didn't want this song on the album...it must have been written as some sort of personal therapy by Axl.  I am really thankful that the band convinced him to put it in there, because I don't think Axl has ever laid himself out for us like this.  Simple, raw, and heartfelt.  Somewhat depressing and a solo that people either love or hate...but I don't think anyone could call this anything other than 'artistic expression of raw emotion'...appreciate it for that...hell, I don't much care for the Mona Lisa - but it is a very important piece of art.
REALLY? Axl didn't want this song on the albumn? Interesting that it's my most favorite! ;)

He mentioned it in the context of doing a solo album:

"I didn?t make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a Guns record with the right people who were the only people who really wanted to help me try, were qualified and capable while enduring the public abuse for years . The songs were chosen by everyone involved. I didn?t want to do This I love in anyway shape or form and Robin and Caram insisted gaining Tommy?s and the others support."

Unlike all the other songs, he was the only one credited for TIL  (Rose) vs. the usual (Rose, Tobias, etc) combo.  So he didn't want to include it without the support of the rest of the band.


I love the melody of the guitar solo, it sticks in my head long after the album is over.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 19, 2008, 07:12:12 AM
It is so interesting to me that Axl didn't want this song on the album...it must have been written as some sort of personal therapy by Axl.  I am really thankful that the band convinced him to put it in there, because I don't think Axl has ever laid himself out for us like this.  Simple, raw, and heartfelt.  Somewhat depressing and a solo that people either love or hate...but I don't think anyone could call this anything other than 'artistic expression of raw emotion'...appreciate it for that...hell, I don't much care for the Mona Lisa - but it is a very important piece of art.
REALLY? Axl didn't want this song on the albumn? Interesting that it's my most favorite! ;)

He mentioned it in the context of doing a solo album:

"I didn?t make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a Guns record with the right people who were the only people who really wanted to help me try, were qualified and capable while enduring the public abuse for years . The songs were chosen by everyone involved. I didn?t want to do This I love in anyway shape or form and Robin and Caram insisted gaining Tommy?s and the others support."

Unlike all the other songs, he was the only one credited for TIL  (Rose) vs. the usual (Rose, Tobias, etc) combo.  So he didn't want to include it without the support of the rest of the band.


I love the melody of the guitar solo, it sticks in my head long after the album is over.
Wow. Thanks for posting, I don't know how I missed that!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on December 19, 2008, 09:09:52 PM
Dammit Annie, you didn't read your Dexter's homework!   :hihi:
The song is just absolutely heartwrenchingly beautiful.  Much love to Patti Hood...I just listened to the 51 minute interview with her.  She sounds like a lovely woman. (harpist on TIL)

God I love this song!  :crying:  :love: 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 20, 2008, 07:43:55 PM
Dammit Annie, you didn't read your Dexter's homework!   :hihi:
The song is just absolutely heartwrenchingly beautiful.  Much love to Patti Hood...I just listened to the 51 minute interview with her.  She sounds like a lovely woman. (harpist on TIL)

God I love this song!  :crying:  :love: 
I have to admit that I was so obsessed with reading the TWILIGHT  books that I didn't get a chance to read it all until today! I gave  a copy of CHINESE DEMOCRACY to my friend's daughter who is as obsessed with TWILIGHT as I am. She totally agreed that THIS I LOVE could be Edward's theme song! She is now set to become a fan of GNR-THE NEXT GENERATION! I listen to THIS I LOVE at least 10 times a day!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: willow on December 20, 2008, 10:53:57 PM
I also listened to the Patti Hood interview very, very sweet and humble person. Wish her the best. She really added to the song even if its kind of buried. It fits that way.
And I agree with the fact that this song should not be swept under the rug. It needs to be heard by the masses. and a movie soundtrack would be great for it!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on December 21, 2008, 08:30:14 AM
have yet to hear the fkn harp :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 21, 2008, 09:09:31 AM
I also listened to the Patti Hood interview very, very sweet and humble person. Wish her the best. She really added to the song even if its kind of buried. It fits that way.
And I agree with the fact that this song should not be swept under the rug. It needs to be heard by the masses. and a movie soundtrack would be great for it!!!
Willow, have you read any of the TWILIGHT books? I really think if THIS I LOVE were on the soundtrack to the TWILIGHT movie sequel, it could be nominated for an ACADEMY AWARD. I think THIS I LOVE has become my all-time favorite song!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on December 21, 2008, 10:06:32 AM
have yet to hear the fkn harp :hihi:

It's right before the drums kick in

oh yeah there it is, thanks : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bailyrose on December 21, 2008, 10:35:49 AM
I think we will hear more music like this i love now that Axl has stated he is more into scores.this i love is somewhat of a score. i'm looking forward to hearing more epics from axl.they are so moving.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: willow on December 21, 2008, 01:42:22 PM
I also listened to the Patti Hood interview very, very sweet and humble person. Wish her the best. She really added to the song even if its kind of buried. It fits that way.
And I agree with the fact that this song should not be swept under the rug. It needs to be heard by the masses. and a movie soundtrack would be great for it!!!
Willow, have you read any of the TWILIGHT books? I really think if THIS I LOVE were on the soundtrack to the TWILIGHT movie sequel, it could be nominated for an ACADEMY AWARD. I think THIS I LOVE has become my all-time favorite song!

No I haven't read them. Not really my kind of thing. But as huge at the books and stuff are. That might very well be the way to promote it.


have yet to hear the fkn harp :hihi:

It's there if you listen. and when you hear it it really makes the song. I am no musican and I miss a lot but after listening to Patti's interview I went and heard it right away. Very soft in the back round.
Oh sorry CheapJon I didn't see your last post.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: lennonisgod on December 21, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
Loved the song when I first heard it and I still do... but I just don't find myself listening to it as much these days.

I guess I just have to be in the mood for it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on December 22, 2008, 04:55:46 AM
I also listened to the Patti Hood interview very, very sweet and humble person. Wish her the best. She really added to the song even if its kind of buried. It fits that way.
And I agree with the fact that this song should not be swept under the rug. It needs to be heard by the masses. and a movie soundtrack would be great for it!!!
Willow, have you read any of the TWILIGHT books? I really think if THIS I LOVE were on the soundtrack to the TWILIGHT movie sequel, it could be nominated for an ACADEMY AWARD. I think THIS I LOVE has become my all-time favorite song!

Even though i told you the movie turned me off (and i haven't read the books), you're right, it would definitely be nominated. This song is a serious masterpiece.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 22, 2008, 07:44:34 AM
I also listened to the Patti Hood interview very, very sweet and humble person. Wish her the best. She really added to the song even if its kind of buried. It fits that way.
And I agree with the fact that this song should not be swept under the rug. It needs to be heard by the masses. and a movie soundtrack would be great for it!!!
Willow, have you read any of the TWILIGHT books? I really think if THIS I LOVE were on the soundtrack to the TWILIGHT movie sequel, it could be nominated for an ACADEMY AWARD. I think THIS I LOVE has become my all-time favorite song!

Even though i told you the movie turned me off (and i haven't read the books), you're right, it would definitely be nominated. This song is a serious masterpiece.
That makes me so happy! :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on December 22, 2008, 09:15:28 AM
Twighlight sequal is probably at least 2 years away....I think it was written for Annakin Skywalkers feelings for Padoine..Just kidding..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jazjme on December 22, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Actually.. it will be out in NOv of 09.....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Uzi76 on December 23, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
I must say the first time I've heard 'TIL' I was really stunned and it had touched me very deep. Imho it's by far GnR's most emotional song and I would even dare to say this is Axl's musical peak so far. It is one of those very rare songs that can bring tears into one's eyes even if you don't have any personal connection to the song.
It's my favorite song on CD but because it is such a heavy emotional song it is not something I can listen to on every random moment.
I personnaly think 'This I Love' is wonderful and brilliant. It is heart warming and it chills to the bone at the same time.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 25, 2008, 10:08:35 PM
Actually.. it will be out in NOv of 09.....
I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL . Anyway, I want to go into further detail on my interpretation as to why THIS I LOVE could be Edward Cullen's theme song from the TWILIGHT books. Edward Cullen is a 100 year old vampire who is in the body of a totally gorgeous 17 year old. He and his family hunt animals and not people. Edward does not want to be  a monster, and he is able to coexist with humans. In addition to being a vampire Edward can read minds. One day he meets a normal human girl named BELLA. The scent of her blood is like his own personal heroine. He tries to make himself hate Bella because he wants her blood so much and he can't read her mind. Against all odds Edward and Bella fall in love. Hanging out with vampires does place Bella's life in danger, but she loves Edward so much that she doesn't care. In the 2nd novel Edward leaves Bella because he thinks he is bad for her. SHE REFUSES TO SAY GOODBYE, and he abandons her in the woods. She is devastated and is a zombie for 3 months. She becomes good friends with a werewolf.  Edward is having a hard time staying away from her and he is going to return to her. His psychic sister Alice, has a vision of Bella jumping off a cliff. Alice and Edward assume Bella has committed suicide, when in fact she was cliff jumping for the adrenaline rush.  Edward is so devastated that he goes to Italy to have these power hungry ancient vampires kill him. Alice and Bella manage to connect, and they go to Italy to stop Edward. Bella saves Edward with seconds to spare. They realize that THEY HAVE TO BE TOGETHER! Edward realizes that he was wrong to leave Bella, that he should have trusted the love in her eyes, and that HE'LL NEVER SAY GOODBYE. That is my interpretation of THIS I LOVE.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: NicoRourke on December 26, 2008, 01:52:16 AM
have yet to hear the fkn harp :hihi:

It's right before the drums kick in

It's there a few times in the solo, indeed after the drums kick in


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Akasha on December 26, 2008, 09:27:32 PM
I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL .


Yes, I'm with Annie on this one. Sooooo annoying!

This I Love and Stephanie Seymore should NOT appear in the same sentence!  :rant:

The song is not about her!

Or Erin, if that is your second guess.  ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 27, 2008, 10:38:06 AM
What really anoyed me was that there was an article in a British newspaper that said it was about her. They don't know that, and it will give the media more BS to spread.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Akasha on December 27, 2008, 01:23:40 PM
Well, that British newspaper has its facts wrong!

She is so insignificant in Axl's life...

Who wrote that BS article?

Now if the the Bristish paper had any inkling of the real story - then, that would be some scoop!  :hihi:









Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 04, 2009, 10:26:21 PM
I know this is old news, but Robins solo in ths song is dynamite.  That is true Robin style right there,  I hope he says with the band, just to play this solo live


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on January 05, 2009, 12:14:30 PM
^ Indeed.

IMO, the solo is the one most alike his stage sound, with the hot tone and sharp overdrive. Love it. :)

Wonder when this solo was recorded...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 05, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
^2nd indeed

robin is the one that pushed the song to the album isn't he?
reportedly as of jan 2006 13 songs were slated for the album. wonder which one is the 14th song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: WARose on January 05, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
^2nd indeed

robin is the one that pushed the song to the album isn't he?
reportedly as of jan 2006 13 songs were slated for the album. wonder which one is the 14th song.
it`s most likely either catcher in the rye or shackler`s revenge


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 05, 2009, 02:42:27 PM
it`s most likely either catcher in the rye

oh guess you're right. axl saiid he wasn't sure about catcher at the trunk show then.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Nytunz on January 05, 2009, 05:41:24 PM
it`s most likely either catcher in the rye

oh guess you're right. axl saiid he wasn't sure about catcher at the trunk show then.

or Riad?

Anyway This i Love is a fucking amazing song!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jarmo on January 05, 2009, 05:56:28 PM
It's just further proof that Axl's one of those artists who doesn't pretend.

The emotions are delivered with just a piano and his vocals and then further enhanced when the rest of the instruments kick in.


It's kinda simplistic, but that's all that's needed to paint the picture.





/jarmo


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Nytunz on January 05, 2009, 06:12:21 PM
cant think of a song that is more real than this one... It sounds like this song wanted to be made, and not that Axl wanted to make it


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: adman2374 on January 05, 2009, 09:25:51 PM
The most beautiful song ever created.....simple as that...............


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 05, 2009, 09:29:28 PM
The soundtrack to everyone's love life.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 05, 2009, 09:39:41 PM
cant think of a song that is more real than this one... It sounds like this song wanted to be made, and not that Axl wanted to make it
This has to be one of the best posts that i have ever read on this board! ;)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: adman2374 on January 05, 2009, 10:24:11 PM
I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL .


Yes, I'm with Annie on this one. Sooooo annoying!

This I Love and Stephanie Seymore should NOT appear in the same sentence!  :rant:

The song is not about her!

Or Erin, if that is your second guess.  ::)

The song was written shortly after the break-up in 1993. It is about her....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Chief on January 05, 2009, 11:32:32 PM
Then who is this song about?


I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL .


Yes, I'm with Annie on this one. Sooooo annoying!

This I Love and Stephanie Seymore should NOT appear in the same sentence!  :rant:

The song is not about her!

Or Erin, if that is your second guess.  ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: norway on January 06, 2009, 12:26:27 AM
Then who is this song about?

He writes about stuff so other people can relate to it.
Maybe it's not even about anything personal to him, or who knows. I don't think it's about someone actually.

A lot of the things in the song can be symbols and metafores.

I think it's about getting old/damaging your look.
While the passion and love won't die it gets harder to connect and express as you get older, disgusting and uglier. :nervous:

"She" is our own and his personification (inner and outer) of himself/ourself, which we hold very dear to us. :friendly:

When it's gone, it's over and we feel less alive. My take on it :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Chief on January 06, 2009, 01:43:08 AM
Interesting take but I do believe this song especially is very personal and is definitely about someone.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: norway on January 06, 2009, 02:11:04 AM

I first thought it was about his mother but the lines "you make me feel so alive" etc doesn't fit.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on January 06, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
I think it could be about everything you want, its an open art AFAIK.

it`s most likely either catcher in the rye

oh guess you're right. axl saiid he wasn't sure about catcher at the trunk show then.

or Riad?
Riad was on every setlist in 2006.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 06, 2009, 09:14:42 AM
I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL .


Yes, I'm with Annie on this one. Sooooo annoying!

This I Love and Stephanie Seymore should NOT appear in the same sentence!  :rant:

The song is not about her!

Or Erin, if that is your second guess.  ::)

The song was written shortly after the break-up in 1993. It is about her....
I was annoyed with the 11 pages of discussion on the topic and some of the ignorant comments that were made.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 06, 2009, 10:26:28 AM
The song was written shortly after the break-up in 1993. It is about her....

was it completed then? What about the lyrics?

I read that a writer can't write about a girl/boy with whom they've just broken off. it takes some time.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: adman2374 on January 06, 2009, 10:56:00 AM
The song was written shortly after the break-up in 1993. It is about her....

was it completed then? What about the lyrics?

I read that a writer can't write about a girl/boy with whom they've just broken off. it takes some time.



We have no idea when the song was finished. We do know that it was written (started) soon after the break up in 1993. I would also be interested in knowing the answer to your good question...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Nytunz on January 06, 2009, 12:24:59 PM
I think it could be about everything you want, its an open art AFAIK.

it`s most likely either catcher in the rye

oh guess you're right. axl saiid he wasn't sure about catcher at the trunk show then.

or Riad?
Riad was on every setlist in 2006.


so what?
There were talks about the song not being on Chinese Democracy


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on January 06, 2009, 01:44:06 PM
I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL .


Yes, I'm with Annie on this one. Sooooo annoying!

This I Love and Stephanie Seymore should NOT appear in the same sentence!  :rant:

The song is not about her!

Or Erin, if that is your second guess.  ::)

The song was written shortly after the break-up in 1993. It is about her....
I was annoyed with the 11 pages of discussion on the topic and some of the ignorant comments that were made.
But yet you think it's more logical that Axl wrote the song 15 years in advance for a fictional vampire?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 06, 2009, 02:00:25 PM
I just read a really annoying post on another message board about Stephanie Seymour being the inspiration for TIL .


Yes, I'm with Annie on this one. Sooooo annoying!

This I Love and Stephanie Seymore should NOT appear in the same sentence!  :rant:

The song is not about her!

Or Erin, if that is your second guess.  ::)

The song was written shortly after the break-up in 1993. It is about her....
I was annoyed with the 11 pages of discussion on the topic and some of the ignorant comments that were made.
But yet you think it's more logical that Axl wrote the song 15 years in advance for a fictional vampire?
I don't know who he wrote it for. It's just a beautiful song. I discovered the TWILIGHT series one week after CHINESE DEMOCRACY came out, and the song just fits the character IMO. AXL himself said that he wanted people to make their own interpretations of the ballads. The thread at mygnr just really annoyed me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 06, 2009, 02:30:47 PM
correct.

Q: And which women influenced the writing of the new ballades.


A: Ha! We?ll get to these a bit later as they?re a bit more complicated than a simple answer of a few names but most are composites and became much more about the song than particular individuals.
Also again I?d like people to have a chance to develop their own relationship with the material a bit. Not dodging as most of these answers will come out over time.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1974

I like norways approach. not that I agree that it's a new Picture of Dorian Gray.

the heroin wouldn't say goodbye but she seems to have left him and yet she can still be near him. ???

Maybe she's departed. Or maybe she's his muse. (His love for music)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on January 06, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
Maybe about love itself, not for music?

I think it could be about everything you want, its an open art AFAIK.

it`s most likely either catcher in the rye

oh guess you're right. axl saiid he wasn't sure about catcher at the trunk show then.

or Riad?
Riad was on every setlist in 2006.


so what?
There were talks about the song not being on Chinese Democracy
By who? A supposed Dizzy interview from 2004?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Nytunz on January 07, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
Maybe about love itself, not for music?

I think it could be about everything you want, its an open art AFAIK.

it`s most likely either catcher in the rye

oh guess you're right. axl saiid he wasn't sure about catcher at the trunk show then.

or Riad?
Riad was on every setlist in 2006.


so what?
There were talks about the song not being on Chinese Democracy
By who? A supposed Dizzy interview from 2004?

Dont remember.. and it doesent matter anyway..

I wonder if This i Love will be on the future setlist... I can imagine this song is amazing live...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 07, 2009, 10:22:33 AM



But yet you think it's more logical that Axl wrote the song 15 years in advance for a fictional vampire?
Having a GNR song in a vampire movie is not that much of a stretch. About 15 years ago, GNR did a cover of SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL in INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE. :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 07, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on January 07, 2009, 10:39:15 AM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

oh my god, that would be amazing.  some figureskater could probably fall, but still take home the gold just by skating to this amazing song.  the judges would be too busy fighting their tears to notice any technical errors.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: carmiedisco12 on January 07, 2009, 11:06:43 AM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

oh my god, that would be amazing.  some figureskater could probably fall, but still take home the gold just by skating to this amazing song.  the judges would be too busy fighting their tears to notice any technical errors.


Christ I hope you are taking the piss.

Please tell me you are joking???

I love the song

But you are joking right?
Sorry if im mistaken......just sometimes sits hard to tell on here....there are a few real psychos that mean this shit.

A great song though, not  a style id normally like , but a beautiful song nonetheless.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on January 07, 2009, 11:52:49 AM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

Am I on the wrong board?  You really want a GNR song (even this pansy one) associated with ballet or figure skating?  I know some of you really love this song and we can agree to disagree about that.  But some of you have lost all ability for rational thought over it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on January 07, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

Am I on the wrong board?  You really want a GNR song (even this pansy one) associated with ballet or figure skating?  I know some of you really love this song and we can agree to disagree about that.  But some of you have lost all ability for rational thought over it.

fyi... figure skaters are amazing atheletes and artists.  i'm sorry that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world or what kind of music axl rose makes, but if you look around i think you'll see you are in the extreme minority of haters who diss what's quickly become one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME.  period.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: BlowUpYourVideo on January 07, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
I said in the 'best ballad on CD' thread that I prefer the music of TIL than the vocal part, which I've never really thought about a GNR song before. I'd like to hear an instrumental version of this song. That said, I guess I can see why so many people like this song, it's just not one of my personal favourites of the album.

And take this bizarre argument to the figure-skating thread. :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 07, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

Am I on the wrong board?  You really want a GNR song (even this pansy one) associated with ballet or figure skating?  I know some of you really love this song and we can agree to disagree about that.  But some of you have lost all ability for rational thought over it.

no need for a pigeon hole. 
It's rational enough to picture performers of michelle qwan's or silvie guillem's caliber making spins and spirals to this song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on January 07, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

Am I on the wrong board?  You really want a GNR song (even this pansy one) associated with ballet or figure skating?  I know some of you really love this song and we can agree to disagree about that.  But some of you have lost all ability for rational thought over it.

fyi... figure skaters are amazing atheletes and artists.  i'm sorry that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world or what kind of music axl rose makes, but if you look around i think you'll see you are in the extreme minority of haters who diss what's quickly become one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME.  period.

GNR and figure skating don't go together. Period.  The extreme minority you speak of is the people who post on this board praising the song.  I've played it for other GNR fans (don't post on message boards) and they turn up their nose about 10 seconds in.  Tell me how (other than your own opinion) is this "quickly becoming one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME."  Evidence?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 07, 2009, 02:33:49 PM
donno about "one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME." bit
but people that like watching figureskating and would love the song aren't the minority in the real world.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on January 07, 2009, 03:07:19 PM
donno about "one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME." bit
but people that like watching figureskating and would love the song aren't the minority in the real world.

OK, I can see your point there.  Maybe that's my problem with the song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 07, 2009, 03:55:20 PM
I think there's a certain classical feel about this song and maybe that is being a hurdle for you, lunsjail.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 07, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
So, you're in favor of limiting the song to a certain audience?

Excuse Axl for taking his music to a whole new level. 

Last time I checked, figure skaters were free to use whatever piece of music they wanted.  I would be thrilled to hear a GN'R song at the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on January 07, 2009, 05:05:31 PM
So, you're in favor of limiting the song to a certain audience?

Excuse Axl for taking his music to a whole new level. 

Last time I checked, figure skaters were free to use whatever piece of music they wanted.  I would be thrilled to hear a GN'R song at the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver.

Keep in mind that Axl would have to approve of any such use of his song.  Maybe that would be a good question for dexter in his next possible discussion.

And...we've officially run this figure skating thing into the ground now.   :-X


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 07, 2009, 05:06:31 PM
So, you're in favor of limiting the song to a certain audience?

Excuse Axl for taking his music to a whole new level. 

Last time I checked, figure skaters were free to use whatever piece of music they wanted.  I would be thrilled to hear a GN'R song at the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver.

Keep in mind that Axl would have to approve of any such use of his song.  Maybe that would be a good question for dexter in his next possible discussion.

And...we've officially run this figure skating thing into the ground now.   :-X

Not really.  I think they would have to even pay him if they used that song.

You sir, have run out of material.

Good day.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MoonMax on January 09, 2009, 05:32:37 PM
There's this wiki thing, that pissed me a bit: "After her relationship with Beatty, she was involved with Axl Rose, the lead singer of Guns N' Roses. She appeared in two music videos by Guns N' Roses: "Don't Cry" and "November Rain". "This I Love", from the album Chinese Democracy was also written for her.[citation needed] ". It's about Mrs Stephanie. Can someone fix it on wikipedia, while there's no proof?

Guys, come on... When I first heared it, I thought, it was Ricky Martin's song...
 The song defenitly has its potential. I'm not saying that it's not emotional, or that the true emotions aren't behind it, but I'm very conserned about, how those feelings were used! The lyrics are cheese themselves plus they rhyme like in some childish poem. But I would live with that. BUT! This, plus strings, plus this plastic like sound of the piano, that's sugar put on ice with fruits with cream.

The solos' great. I think the best on the album(specialy right before and right after the drums kicks in). I'm saying that, because it has its given time, it has its sense and looks like Robin Finck realy understood what this song is about and gave his best to it. Since I first heared all of the tracks one by one, I havn't changed my mind. It has something to say.

To be honest I like Ricky Martin in my own way, and in this case I'm fine with the lyrics, because Axl's singing them (it's like in many cases on this album), but saying that this is the best song ever...even saying that this is the best Guns song...come on! Maybe some frozen yogurt first.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 09, 2009, 06:15:16 PM
I can't believe they posted that on wikipedia. I absolutely adore TIL. It has to be my all time favorite song., but you are entitled to your opininon Moon MAX. I don't find it cheesy, just hauntingly romantic!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 11, 2009, 04:20:47 PM

OK, I can see your point there.  Maybe that's my problem with the song.

i guess your problem is getting solved.
i sorta understood your rejection when i saw a ballroom dance to the song at youtube.  :nervous:
But that's ok. the song is loved widely.
and ballet or ice skating rocks when done by the best.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: doooodickiebr on January 11, 2009, 04:49:05 PM
the new gnr needs the publicity...any exposure is welcomed


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: journey on January 11, 2009, 06:08:31 PM
GNR and figure skating don't go together. Period.  The extreme minority you speak of is the people who post on this board praising the song.  I've played it for other GNR fans (don't post on message boards) and they turn up their nose about 10 seconds in.  Tell me how (other than your own opinion) is this "quickly becoming one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME."  Evidence?

It's a great song. The worst thing an artist can do is limit himself and it's worse when people try to put others in boxes. There's nothing wrong with a little diversity.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 11, 2009, 08:05:32 PM
the new gnr needs the publicity...any exposure is welcomed
I registered on a couple of TWILIGHT websites. I encourgaged people to buy CHINESE DEMOCRACY and listen to THIS I LOVE. My screenname is ILOVEAXLROSE. I think the TWILIGHT crowd will really love this song!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 11, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
Let us know how that goes.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on January 11, 2009, 09:19:51 PM
the new gnr needs the publicity...any exposure is welcomed
I registered on a couple of TWILIGHT websites. I encourgaged people to buy CHINESE DEMOCRACY and listen to THIS I LOVE. My screenname is ILOVEAXLROSE. I think the TWILIGHT crowd will really love this song!

you can tell them GNR already used a song for interview with the vampire  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNR4L on January 11, 2009, 10:18:04 PM
I think alot of people think the song is too soft.  Well what do you expect ? I really like the song and I don't care what people say about This I Love is a top track on Chinese Democracy.  Robin's solo is earth shattering.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on January 11, 2009, 11:42:33 PM
i can imagine this tune is also great for ballet or figure skating. 

Am I on the wrong board?  You really want a GNR song (even this pansy one) associated with ballet or figure skating?  I know some of you really love this song and we can agree to disagree about that.  But some of you have lost all ability for rational thought over it.

fyi... figure skaters are amazing atheletes and artists.  i'm sorry that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world or what kind of music axl rose makes, but if you look around i think you'll see you are in the extreme minority of haters who diss what's quickly become one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME.  period.

GNR and figure skating don't go together. Period.  The extreme minority you speak of is the people who post on this board praising the song.  I've played it for other GNR fans (don't post on message boards) and they turn up their nose about 10 seconds in.  Tell me how (other than your own opinion) is this "quickly becoming one of the greatest and most touching ballads of ALL TIME."  Evidence?

i think the problem is your friends.  they sound like very close-minded people who probably can't appreciate beautiful and intelligent music like classical music or this i love.  it's like if you had a great steak but served it to someone without a tongue.  dont case axl's pearls before swine.

and once and for all:  this i love would make the ultimate olympic figure skating/ice dancing song.  if you disagree you either don't know figure skating or you don't know guns n' roses.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on January 12, 2009, 09:21:58 AM
So, you're in favor of limiting the song to a certain audience?

Excuse Axl for taking his music to a whole new level. 

Last time I checked, figure skaters were free to use whatever piece of music they wanted.  I would be thrilled to hear a GN'R song at the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver.

Keep in mind that Axl would have to approve of any such use of his song.  Maybe that would be a good question for dexter in his next possible discussion.

And...we've officially run this figure skating thing into the ground now.   :-X

Figure Skating? We've gone to far with this discussion..As suggested, can you imagine asking Axl if he would allow TIL to appear during Figure Skating? That would make a funny SNL skit, and they need them..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 12, 2009, 11:20:56 AM
Figure Skating? We've gone to far with this discussion..As suggested, can you imagine asking Axl if he would allow TIL to appear during Figure Skating?
certainly.  That is easier than imagining this song to appear during a football game. 
i don't get the skate phobia.  ???

anyways
the intro reminds me of the swan of tuonela. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6B5_l-yUFsE
i can sorta see annie's vampire association.
vampires never die or get old, yes?  mortals eternally yearn for eternity. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 12, 2009, 11:26:23 AM
Figure Skating? We've gone to far with this discussion..As suggested, can you imagine asking Axl if he would allow TIL to appear during Figure Skating?
certainly.  That is easier than imagining this song to appear during a football game. 
i don't get the skate phobia.  ???

anyways
the intro reminds me of the swan of tuonela. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6B5_l-yUFsE
i can sorta see annie's vampire association.
vampires never die or get old, yes?  mortals eternally yearn for eternity. 

I seriously think if you could find a way to promote this song to the TWILIGHT crowd that it would be a huge hit. MTV talks about TWILIGHT all the time. It would also make a really cool video. Young people deserve much better music than the crap that is out there. And it is the young people these days who buy the music. And by young I mean kids under 22. There was a post at mygnr about TIL that said over 40 musicians aren't played on TOP 40 stations, and that TIL was too soft for hard rock stations. I just think TIL is one of the most hauntingly beautiful songs of all time and people deserve to hear it! To quote one of my favorite characters from the movie CLUELESS, " Have we learned nothing from Madonna?" It's OK for artists to reinvent themselves if they choose to do so. Also when you go into HOT TOPIC you can find TWILIGHT merchandise near GNR merchandise. You can also find cute goth Hello Kitty stuff too! :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on January 12, 2009, 01:01:40 PM
This I Love will be the song that carries the album. I was driving the other night and turned it up. And it hit me how great this song really is. WHo on the radio has a song like this out right now? No one. Its a modern day ballad. But Unique.

I firmly believe that if the band has their act together when/if they release this as a single down the road this will be the song that breaks the wall. By that I mean this band better have a video lined up with its release as well.

This song can be played on 3 of the countrys biggest and most influential radio stations here in NY.

Krock
Q104.3(havnt been able to play new gnr yet)
and the wildcard....

Z100

If this song hits on those last 2 stations then this album will sky rocket in sales.


I really hope they release this song as a single. We as a fanbase are gonna bombard q104 and z100 if they do.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on January 12, 2009, 10:18:15 PM
This I Love will be the song that carries the album. I was driving the other night and turned it up. And it hit me how great this song really is. WHo on the radio has a song like this out right now? No one. Its a modern day ballad. But Unique.

I firmly believe that if the band has their act together when/if they release this as a single down the road this will be the song that breaks the wall. By that I mean this band better have a video lined up with its release as well.

This song can be played on 3 of the countrys biggest and most influential radio stations here in NY.

Krock
Q104.3(havnt been able to play new gnr yet)
and the wildcard....

Z100

If this song hits on those last 2 stations then this album will sky rocket in sales.


I really hope they release this song as a single. We as a fanbase are gonna bombard q104 and z100 if they do.

I agree with you here... i can definitely see that.


I know a lot of people don't like this song, but it does seem to always get a reaction. I think Chinese Democracy is a much better album for having included it. To me, although a lot of the songs are very unique (if the world and sorry in particular), it's Better and This I Love that immediately stand out. These are memorable songs that it's hard to ignore even on one listen.

And while I think if This I Love is released as a single it will be too long from now to run with Annie's Twilight idea, i do think that this is the song that will benefit most from a quality video. It can be marketed well if done right.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: fito_gnr on January 12, 2009, 11:45:25 PM
the guitar solo is brilliant, I just love this song. so emotional. everybody I know likes this song. I introduce the song to them as: man you won't believe it but axl in has a better song than November Rain in the new record,  nobody believes me till they hear it...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: willow on January 13, 2009, 05:44:16 AM
This I Love will be the song that carries the album. I was driving the other night and turned it up. And it hit me how great this song really is. WHo on the radio has a song like this out right now? No one. Its a modern day ballad. But Unique.

I firmly believe that if the band has their act together when/if they release this as a single down the road this will be the song that breaks the wall. By that I mean this band better have a video lined up with its release as well.

This song can be played on 3 of the countrys biggest and most influential radio stations here in NY.

Krock
Q104.3(havnt been able to play new gnr yet)
and the wildcard....

Z100

If this song hits on those last 2 stations then this album will sky rocket in sales.


I really hope they release this song as a single. We as a fanbase are gonna bombard q104 and z100 if they do.

I totally agree! This song may not be a rocker but lets face it. Its the ballads that have been getting rock bands noticed all these years. This song could really get this cd rolling in a big way!! Thats why I am the idiot that started the the thread at that other board to get people to request it on the radio. Of course I got mostly negitave comments. People can get shit played on the radio still, if they fight for it. So I still think we should be contacting stations esp. top 40 type stations. This song can compete with that shit they are playing. Hell people are starving for music like this!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 13, 2009, 02:20:24 PM
1. Cost  of all 4 TWILIGHT saga books $45.
2. Cost of TWILIGHT movie soundtrack $13.
3. Slash's annoyance at the possibility of a beautiful new GNR song being associated with a chick flick:PRICELESS!

Women and girls fall in love with Edward Cullen because he is so romantic. I remember reading an article about an interview with BETA where she talks about how romantic Axl is when he is really in love. I found an old copy of PEOPLE magazine the other day. Inside was the review of CHINESE DEMOCRACY. When I turned the page, on the other side was a review of the TWILIGHT soundtrack. It was just a strange little synchronicity.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MoonMax on January 13, 2009, 03:21:39 PM

Women and girls fall in love with Edward Cullen because he is so romantic. I remember reading an article about an interview with BETA where she talks about how romantic Axl is when he is really in love. I found an old copy of PEOPLE magazine the other day. Inside was the review of CHINESE DEMOCRACY. When I turned the page, on the other side was a review of the TWILIGHT soundtrack. It was just a strange little synchronicity.

Wow, yeah, magic's in the air


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on January 13, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
cos both are immortal. Or maybe they were released synchronously....

Thats why I am the idiot that started the the thread at that other board to get people to request it on the radio. Of course I got mostly negitave comments. People can get shit played on the radio still, if they fight for it. So I still think we should be contacting stations esp. top 40 type stations.

totally. altho for now I'd rather get better aired first.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on January 13, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
Quote
Thats why I am the idiot that started the the thread at that other board to get people to request it on the radio. Of course I got mostly negitave comments. People can get shit played on the radio still, if they fight for it. So I still think we should be contacting stations esp. top 40 type stations. This song can compete with that shit they are playing. Hell people are starving for music like this!
save your enthusiasm for down the road. lets wait and see if they release the song as a single first. Let Better run its course and then we will see when/if they chose TIL as the next single or down the road.

But when they do, we have to do our best to push this song. Especially with q104.3 and Z100. The album will soar thru the roof. Trust me


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on January 13, 2009, 04:04:06 PM
after seeing "Twilight" this would absolutley have been perfect in that movie.


Surely GNR know that this is the "ONE" single that could really elevate CD.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: y2marmar on January 13, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
after seeing "Twilight" this would absolutley have been perfect in that movie.


Surely GNR know that this is the "ONE" single that could really elevate CD.

I completely agree.It would have been perfect. So perfect.  They have to know.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 13, 2009, 06:09:29 PM

Women and girls fall in love with Edward Cullen because he is so romantic. I remember reading an article about an interview with BETA where she talks about how romantic Axl is when he is really in love. I found an old copy of PEOPLE magazine the other day. Inside was the review of CHINESE DEMOCRACY. When I turned the page, on the other side was a review of the TWILIGHT soundtrack. It was just a strange little synchronicity.

Wow, yeah, magic's in the air
You never really know for sure!The TWILIGHT movie did come out 2 days before CHINESE DEMOCRACY and they both rocked my world! TIL fits NEW MOON even better than TWILIGHT. If Mickey Rourke wins the Oscar he will most definitely thank Axl again, and that would be the perfect time to approach the movie studio!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on January 13, 2009, 06:55:11 PM
This is definitely a song that could have an epic video and really bring GNR to the forefront.

I hope they do release this as the ballad and not SOD or something else.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MoonMax on January 13, 2009, 07:03:38 PM

Women and girls fall in love with Edward Cullen because he is so romantic. I remember reading an article about an interview with BETA where she talks about how romantic Axl is when he is really in love. I found an old copy of PEOPLE magazine the other day. Inside was the review of CHINESE DEMOCRACY. When I turned the page, on the other side was a review of the TWILIGHT soundtrack. It was just a strange little synchronicity.

Wow, yeah, magic's in the air
You never really know for sure!The TWILIGHT movie did come out 2 days before CHINESE DEMOCRACY and they both rocked my world! TIL fits NEW MOON even better than TWILIGHT. If Mickey Rourke wins the Oscar he will most definitely thank Axl again, and that would be the perfect time to approach the movie studio!

I just can't believe that you guys are talking this seriously. I don't want to fight or get you offended, but I seriously hope, that this song will never be reliesed as a single or appear in any movie. It's nice to have such song, such different song on the album, but let's leave it this way.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on January 13, 2009, 07:06:52 PM
I am saying if they do release a ballad, I feel this is the best ballad not named "Sorry" but I'm not sure u can call Sorry a ballad.


Have This I love  with a Don't Cry type video. it would be golden.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: loretian on January 13, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
I don't get the above post regarding not releasing it as a single.  I understand not associating it with the Twilight movie, or whatever, but "leave it this way?"  What?  Why not release one of the best songs on the album as a single?  It's a great idea, and Gn'R has always been best known for the ballad/ballad-ey type songs.

Edit: Post above D's, I mean


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on January 13, 2009, 07:08:06 PM
I don't get the above post regarding not releasing it as a single.  I understand not associating it with the Twilight movie, or whatever, but "leave it this way?"  What?  Why not release one of the best songs on the album as a single?  It's a great idea, and Gn'R has always been best known for the ballad/ballad-ey type songs.

Edit: Post above D's, I mean



Same post at the same time OWNED!


Yeah I agree, This for me has the most potential as a single.

hardcore will like it, the kids will like it, the girls will love it and the soccer moms would eat this shit up.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: loretian on January 13, 2009, 07:12:10 PM
Yeah I agree, This for me has the most potential as a single.

hardcore will like it, the kids will like it, the girls will love it and the soccer moms would eat this shit up.

Exactly!  I think people will be stunned when they hear it.  It's not like November Rain wasn't totally unique when it came out, or Stairway to Heaven for that matter.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 13, 2009, 07:17:40 PM

Women and girls fall in love with Edward Cullen because he is so romantic. I remember reading an article about an interview with BETA where she talks about how romantic Axl is when he is really in love. I found an old copy of PEOPLE magazine the other day. Inside was the review of CHINESE DEMOCRACY. When I turned the page, on the other side was a review of the TWILIGHT soundtrack. It was just a strange little synchronicity.

Wow, yeah, magic's in the air
You never really know for sure!The TWILIGHT movie did come out 2 days before CHINESE DEMOCRACY and they both rocked my world! TIL fits NEW MOON even better than TWILIGHT. If Mickey Rourke wins the Oscar he will most definitely thank Axl again, and that would be the perfect time to approach the movie studio!

I just can't believe that you guys are talking this seriously. I don't want to fight or get you offended, but I seriously hope, that this song will never be reliesed as a single or appear in any movie. It's nice to have such song, such different song on the album, but let's leave it this way.
Why don't you want one of the greatest love songs of all time to not get any recognition? And like I said before, if this song were featured in a movie, I think Axl would be nominated for an Academy Award.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: -Rob- on January 13, 2009, 07:57:31 PM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on January 13, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.

Thats a great story. Thanks for sharing.

Estranged over the last 15 years has got me through all sorts of heartbreaks and depressions.

I even coined it my "estranged" mood when I gotta run put that song on.

TIL I can see having that impact on others.

If I were in a different less happy situation, that would absolutely be my favorite song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 13, 2009, 08:07:30 PM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.
That is so beautiful. Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Ali on January 13, 2009, 08:41:44 PM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.

That is great.  I hope Axl can somehow read this so he can get an example of deeply his music can affect people.

Ali


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 13, 2009, 11:21:28 PM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.

That is great.  I hope Axl can somehow read this so he can get an example of deeply his music can affect people.

Ali
Me too.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on January 14, 2009, 12:40:57 AM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.

That is great.  I hope Axl can somehow read this so he can get an example of deeply his music can affect people.

Ali
Me too.

me three.  that was truly inspirational!  i just might have to try that on this one girl that i really like!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: willow on January 14, 2009, 05:43:33 AM
I love the power of music. This is why I can't get threw a day without it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bolton on January 14, 2009, 06:34:21 AM
i can't even begin to express what this song has done for my personal growth & relationship. i've been with the same girl now for years and have always wanted to find the perfect song that i could claim to be "ours".  when i heard this song for the first time, i felt as if axl had written this song specifically for me to give to her. i've always been the type of guy who's had difficulties in expressing his feelings - and crying certainly wasnt something that i felt comfortable doing. especially in front of Mona (thats her name).

anyway, for months, prior to the album's release, we were going through alot of personal problems. the problems escalated to such an extent that we began discussing breaking up. she's been telling me for years that she wished i could be more open & expressive when it comes to my feelings. i wont get into all the details, but we were about as close to a split as one could come. a couple days after the album release, i had her over to the house. i made us a really nice candle lit dinner and had the album playing pretty low in the background. after dinner, i asked her to come and sit on the couch with me, mentioning that there was a song that i wanted her to hear. even though it was only her first listen, i could immediately tell the impact this song had on her. she had this amazingly sincere - almost lost -  look in her eyes. before the song had even ended, i noticed a tear begin to run down her cheek. without going into too much more detail, we sat on that couch embraced for what seemed to be hours. that was the first time i had ever cried in front of her. i honestly believe if it wasn't for this song, we wouldn't be together now. thank you more than you know, axl.

great story man


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MoonMax on January 14, 2009, 09:46:27 AM
I don't get the above post regarding not releasing it as a single.  I understand not associating it with the Twilight movie, or whatever, but "leave it this way?"  What?  Why not release one of the best songs on the album as a single?  It's a great idea, and Gn'R has always been best known for the ballad/ballad-ey type songs.

Edit: Post above D's, I mean


Here's what I mean. Let's call it for now good/bad politics for the name of Guns N' Roses. What I mean here, is that reliesing it as a single and/or putting it on the soundtrack of such teen, pop movie as Twilight is, it would be bad politics for the name and legacy of the band and Axl himselfe as he is the frontman and trademark of the band. I don't remember the song's name, but I'm sure that all of you Twilight fans are familiar with the one that's promoting the movie now. Would you like to see Axl Rose a 46 year old guy, that has a lot more experience, that wrote TIL, probably(!) based on what he went through and that kind of personal stuff, next to the song I mentioned?
Again, my opinion - that would be bad politics.

Cheers


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: loretian on January 14, 2009, 10:12:07 AM
Here's what I mean. Let's call it for now good/bad politics for the name of Guns N' Roses. What I mean here, is that reliesing it as a single and/or putting it on the soundtrack of such teen, pop movie as Twilight is, it would be bad politics for the name and legacy of the band and Axl himselfe as he is the frontman and trademark of the band. I don't remember the song's name, but I'm sure that all of you Twilight fans are familiar with the one that's promoting the movie now. Would you like to see Axl Rose a 46 year old guy, that has a lot more experience, that wrote TIL, probably(!) based on what he went through and that kind of personal stuff, next to the song I mentioned?
Again, my opinion - that would be bad politics.

Cheers

OK, I understand.  I thought you were referring to releasing the song as a single at all, not just against having it associated with the movie.

I haven't seen the movie Twilight, and I really have no opinion on whether it's any good or not, but the reputation of the movie is not exactly what I would expect to be associated with Gn'R either.  My perception of it is that it's a movie for pre-teen girls to get excited about.   Sort of like the Jonas Brothers, or the Backstreet Boys.  Maybe that perception is incorrect, but I don't think I'm alone in that perception, and I can't say I really think it's a good fit for Gn'R based on that perception.

In any case, it doesn't really matter, the movie is out, I'm sure the soundtrack is out, and Gn'R isn't on it!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 14, 2009, 11:24:15 AM
I don't get the above post regarding not releasing it as a single.  I understand not associating it with the Twilight movie, or whatever, but "leave it this way?"  What?  Why not release one of the best songs on the album as a single?  It's a great idea, and Gn'R has always been best known for the ballad/ballad-ey type songs.

Edit: Post above D's, I mean


Here's what I mean. Let's call it for now good/bad politics for the name of Guns N' Roses. What I mean here, is that reliesing it as a single and/or putting it on the soundtrack of such teen, pop movie as Twilight is, it would be bad politics for the name and legacy of the band and Axl himselfe as he is the frontman and trademark of the band. I don't remember the song's name, but I'm sure that all of you Twilight fans are familiar with the one that's promoting the movie now. Would you like to see Axl Rose a 46 year old guy, that has a lot more experience, that wrote TIL, probably(!) based on what he went through and that kind of personal stuff, next to the song I mentioned?
Again, my opinion - that would be bad politics.

Cheers
In the movie,even though the main character Edward looks 17 he is actually close to 90. I liked the songs on the TWILIGHT soundtrack. I also love Elton John's work on THE LION KING. THE TWILGHT saga and TIL will forever be intertwined in my heart no matter what happens. I see it as the triumph of true love . I can also understand your point. I am just so ln love with TIL.And I have been talking about the TWILIGHT sequel NEW MOON. In relation to good and bad politics for GNR, anything that would annoy SLASH would be priceless. As to the movie being aimed at preteen girls, they are just part of the audience. I saw more adults and teenagers when I went to the movie theater. And these same girls have boyfriends who could then be introduced to the darker side of GNR.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 14, 2009, 07:06:11 PM
The song is brilliant we all agree.  Different question---------------Would you want to see Axl playing the piano during the song, or have Dizzy on the piano while Axl sings and moves around on stage ?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on January 14, 2009, 07:20:24 PM
I don't get the above post regarding not releasing it as a single.  I understand not associating it with the Twilight movie, or whatever, but "leave it this way?"  What?  Why not release one of the best songs on the album as a single?  It's a great idea, and Gn'R has always been best known for the ballad/ballad-ey type songs.

Edit: Post above D's, I mean


Here's what I mean. Let's call it for now good/bad politics for the name of Guns N' Roses. What I mean here, is that reliesing it as a single and/or putting it on the soundtrack of such teen, pop movie as Twilight is, it would be bad politics for the name and legacy of the band and Axl himselfe as he is the frontman and trademark of the band. I don't remember the song's name, but I'm sure that all of you Twilight fans are familiar with the one that's promoting the movie now. Would you like to see Axl Rose a 46 year old guy, that has a lot more experience, that wrote TIL, probably(!) based on what he went through and that kind of personal stuff, next to the song I mentioned?
Again, my opinion - that would be bad politics.

Cheers
In the movie,even though the main character Edward looks 17 he is actually close to 90. I liked the songs on the TWILIGHT soundtrack. I also love Elton John's work on THE LION KING. THE TWILGHT saga and TIL will forever be intertwined in my heart no matter what happens. I see it as the triumph of true love . I can also understand your point. I am just so ln love with TIL.And I have been talking about the TWILIGHT sequel NEW MOON. In relation to good and bad politics for GNR, anything that would annoy SLASH would be priceless. As to the movie being aimed at preteen girls, they are just part of the audience. I saw more adults and teenagers when I went to the movie theater. And these same girls have boyfriends who could then be introduced to the darker side of GNR.

A story about a 90 year old dude who falls in love with a 17 year old girl...  :no:

 ;)


The song is brilliant we all agree.  Different question---------------Would you want to see Axl playing the piano during the song, or have Dizzy on the piano while Axl sings and moves around on stage ?

I would definitely like to see Axl on piano... there's something that always stuck in my memory about the old NR performances when i first saw Axl at the piano, and it's a very powerful stage setup. However, more than that i would like him to do whatever makes it easier for him to nail the vocals, because i think if his vocals are strong then a performance of this song would be amazing. He could lay down in his pajamas if he wants.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 14, 2009, 07:26:42 PM
The song is brilliant we all agree.  Different question---------------Would you want to see Axl playing the piano during the song, or have Dizzy on the piano while Axl sings and moves around on stage ?
I would love to see Axl on the piano just like in November Rain!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Genesis on January 15, 2009, 03:32:31 AM
The song is brilliant we all agree.  Different question---------------Would you want to see Axl playing the piano during the song, or have Dizzy on the piano while Axl sings and moves around on stage ?
I would love to see Axl on the piano just like in November Rain!

Ditto.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 15, 2009, 03:34:30 AM
The song is brilliant we all agree.  Different question---------------Would you want to see Axl playing the piano during the song, or have Dizzy on the piano while Axl sings and moves around on stage ?
I would love to see Axl on the piano just like in November Rain!

Ditto.

I concur wholeheartedly.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: italysfinest1985 on January 15, 2009, 09:03:49 AM
The song is brilliant we all agree.  Different question---------------Would you want to see Axl playing the piano during the song, or have Dizzy on the piano while Axl sings and moves around on stage ?
I would love to see Axl on the piano just like in November Rain!

Ditto.

I concur wholeheartedly.

Axl needs to be on the piano for live versions of This I Love and Catcher in the Rye.  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on January 15, 2009, 09:16:37 AM
it might be a little too dificult for axl to play this i love live.  just imagine all the emotions that would be swirling inside his heart when he performed that song.  he might get choked up, or even cry live on stage.  that would surely make for a memorable, once in a lifetime concert, but i don't know if axl would want to do that.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 15, 2009, 01:32:49 PM
it might be a little too dificult for axl to play this i love live.  just imagine all the emotions that would be swirling inside his heart when he performed that song.  he might get choked up, or even cry live on stage.  that would surely make for a memorable, once in a lifetime concert, but i don't know if axl would want to do that.
I think Axl could handle playing this live. He's not a sissy.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AxlsMainMan on January 15, 2009, 02:09:01 PM
Didn't Patti Hood also say there was some talk of her performing with the band in the future?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on January 15, 2009, 03:10:22 PM
Didn't Patti Hood also say there was some talk of her performing with the band in the future?

That would pwn.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: -Rob- on January 16, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
i would love to see 'this i love' replace one of the "old" ballads in the setlist. (ex. SCOM, NR)

i don't think there would be a dry eye in the house. well, this at least stands true for me anyway. i've been listening to the song daily for almost 2 months now and i still can't listen to it all the way through without balling my eyes out.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 16, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
i would love to see 'this i love' replace one of the "old" ballads in the setlist. (ex. SCOM, NR)

i don't think there would be a dry eye in the house. well, this at least stands true for me anyway. i've been listening to the song daily for almost 2 months now and i still can't listen to it all the way through without balling my eyes out.
I love this song, but it doesn't make me cry. Probably because it's so intertwined with TWILIGHT for me.ANd I listen to this song over and over again. It would be cool to hear mostly new material on the next tour!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: y2marmar on January 16, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
i would love to see 'this i love' replace one of the "old" ballads in the setlist. (ex. SCOM, NR)

i don't think there would be a dry eye in the house. well, this at least stands true for me anyway. i've been listening to the song daily for almost 2 months now and i still can't listen to it all the way through without balling my eyes out.

I know what you mean, I just love this song so so much. I'd love to see it replace November Rain.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 16, 2009, 06:20:36 PM
i would love to see 'this i love' replace one of the "old" ballads in the setlist. (ex. SCOM, NR)

i don't think there would be a dry eye in the house. well, this at least stands true for me anyway. i've been listening to the song daily for almost 2 months now and i still can't listen to it all the way through without balling my eyes out.

I know what you mean, I just love this song so so much. I'd love to see it replace November Rain.
I didn't think it was possible that i could love a song more than NOVEMBER RAIN but I do and it is THIS I LOVE!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: y2marmar on January 16, 2009, 06:29:22 PM
^^^ I know. It's just so beautiful. I never thought I'd find another song with as much passion as November Rain, but this has even MORE!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 16, 2009, 06:31:52 PM
^^^ I know. It's just so beautiful. I never thought I'd find another song with as much passion as November Rain, but this has even MORE!
You are so right! It just makes you feel things so deeply!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Brundle25 on January 16, 2009, 06:32:20 PM
^^^ I know. It's just so beautiful. I never thought I'd find another song with as much passion as November Rain, but this has even MORE!
Its superb!, it fits so well being followed by Prostitute.  I keep skipping to 'This I love'-'Prostitiute' Couldnt ask for a better end to 2008's best album......


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on January 16, 2009, 10:41:22 PM
^^^ I know. It's just so beautiful. I never thought I'd find another song with as much passion as November Rain, but this has even MORE!
Its superb!, it fits so well being followed by Prostitute.  I keep skipping to 'This I love'-'Prostitiute' Couldnt ask for a better end to 2008's best album......
When I get in the car I like listen to TIL a few times, then Madagascar, CITR and Better. I will usually hit repeat for TIL at least 2 times. When I listen to CD at home I tend to listen in order, then repeat Madagascar and TIL.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on January 17, 2009, 07:26:16 AM
got gigantic goose bumps when the solo just kicked in, this song is holy

same with the last verse


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: loretian on January 17, 2009, 10:44:10 AM
^^^ I know. It's just so beautiful. I never thought I'd find another song with as much passion as November Rain, but this has even MORE!
Its superb!, it fits so well being followed by Prostitute.  I keep skipping to 'This I love'-'Prostitiute' Couldnt ask for a better end to 2008's best album......
When I get in the car I like listen to TIL a few times, then Madagascar, CITR and Better. I will usually hit repeat for TIL at least 2 times. When I listen to CD at home I tend to listen in order, then repeat Madagascar and TIL.

That is awesome.  I'm the same way, except I usually add If The World, Sorry, and Scraped into the mix.  TIL always gets the most listens though.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: seely on January 17, 2009, 05:19:39 PM
The vocal part just after the solo is just incredible, just listened to it again  :drool:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GIMH on January 17, 2009, 06:17:56 PM
One of the best songs ever


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNR4L on January 17, 2009, 06:23:25 PM
I agree its a good song ! but not better than Nov Rain.  Robin's guitar solo is pretty damn good.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: y2marmar on January 17, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
I love the guitar solo too. It's brilliant. So full of passion.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GIMH on January 17, 2009, 06:57:40 PM
I prefer it to November Rain


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 07, 2009, 06:18:43 PM
Ok. I just attended a TWILIGHT convention that was held at a hotel right next to the ALLSTATE ARENa in Rosemont where I last saw GNR in November of 2006. I was able to give out copies of Chinese Democracy to three of the actors from the film and to the people who run the TWILIGHT LEXICON website. I can be very intense when i am passionate about something, and I told them all that TIL could be Edward Cullen's theme song in NEW MOON and that it is OSCAR worthy! They all seemed excited to listen to it, and Ashley Greene said the producers ask for their input on what music makes the soundtrack! Ashley places Alice Cullen and Peter Facinelli plays Carlisle Cullen.  It was really cool to share my love of TIL with people who were involved with one of my all time favorite movies!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on February 07, 2009, 09:22:51 PM
Ok. I just attended a TWILIGHT convention that was held at a hotel right next to the ALLSTATE ARENa in Rosemont where I last saw GNR in November of 2006. I was able to give out copies of Chinese Democracy to three of the actors from the film and to the people who run the TWILIGHT LEXICON website. I can be very intense when i am passionate about something, and I told them all that TIL could be Edward Cullen's theme song in NEW MOON and that it is OSCAR worthy! They all seemed excited to listen to it, and Ashley Greene said the producers ask for their input on what music makes the soundtrack! Ashley places Alice Cullen and Peter Facinelli plays Carlisle Cullen.  It was really cool to share my love of TIL with people who were involved with one of my all time favorite movies!

just wondering , how old are you?

Im wondering whether GNR may appeal to Twilight audience.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 08, 2009, 08:14:13 AM
THIS SONG will appeal to the TWILIGHT crowd. Most Twilight fans are female and there are tweens, teens and adults. At least I am trying to promote the CD, which is more than I can say for  Universal/Interscope. I met alot of really nice people and they were all open to listening to TIL even thought they weren't GNR fans at this time. TIL could change all of that. As for my age, people have told me that I look like this French actress named Emmanuelle Beart, and we are the same age. TIL is a deeply moving and passionate song that will be a huge commercial success if handled correctly.The one thing TWILIGHT fans and GNR fans have in common is that they are DIEHARDS. If Robert Pattinson had been at this convention I would have had a greater chance of being trampled than at a GNR concert in the middle of a riot!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Principessa on February 08, 2009, 08:41:40 AM
And if you are into the mystery of Vampires,

the Twilight crowd may also find the GN'R link to the book/film 'Interview With The Vampire' interesting.

(though the rating is MA)!!


BTW, there is some beautiful harp on that soundtrack too!



I purchased Twilight the other day, out of interest. (Since Annie has been raving about it so much)!  :) Thanks.




Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 08, 2009, 08:45:47 AM
And if you are into the mystery Vampires,

the Twilight crowd may also find the GN'R link to the book/film 'Interview With The Vampire' interesting.

(though the rating is MA)!!



I purchased Twilight the other day, out of interest. (Since Annie has been raving about it so much)!  :)






I hope you like it. I really think that Robert Pattinson aka Edward will like TIL.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TokyoRose on February 08, 2009, 10:55:35 AM
This song is begging to be a spring/summer radio hit.

It's the most accessible song on the record imo, and has the best chance
for a huge impact this year.

I hope G n R's management are on the same page, and promote the hell out of this song.

It needs a video, huge radio promotion, and possibly a summer blockbuster movie tie in.

Don't do this song wrong!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MattyJam on February 08, 2009, 11:06:05 AM
I really can't see this being a single at all.

Undeniably it's a great song, but could you really imagine it being played on the radios? I certainly couldn't.

It almost sounds like a song from a musical... It woudn't be deemed 'edgey' enough for most rock stations...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on February 08, 2009, 11:42:52 AM
The fact that it doesnt sound like a typical rock ballad is all the reason why it should be the next single...or the first "ballad" single. I rather them take a chance with TIL rather than releasing SOD. SOD is very good but too safe. They need to take chances. And this is the perfect song to take a chance with. They have nothing to lose. Plus this song can be played on 3 Major stations here in NY.

KRock,q104.3 and cough cough...z100

if it hits album sales will skyrocket....especially with the latter 2 stations.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 08, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
lean to matty's opinion.
however I can see it being played on the radios that are not rock stations. It would take the right moment and the right spot.

Ok. I just attended a TWILIGHT convention that was held at a hotel right next to the ALLSTATE ARENa in Rosemont where I last saw GNR in November of 2006. I was able to give out copies of Chinese Democracy to three of the actors from the film and to the people who run the TWILIGHT LEXICON website. I can be very intense when i am passionate about something, and I told them all that TIL could be Edward Cullen's theme song in NEW MOON and that it is OSCAR worthy! They all seemed excited to listen to it, and Ashley Greene said the producers ask for their input on what music makes the soundtrack! Ashley places Alice Cullen and Peter Facinelli plays Carlisle Cullen.  It was really cool to share my love of TIL with people who were involved with one of my all time favorite movies!

well done annie.

you're one of the few people whose actions speak louder than others words.  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on February 08, 2009, 04:20:25 PM
Hmm, Ill see the movie, and hope its not a teeny bopper movie. wouldnt like to see TIL in a teeny bopper movie


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on February 08, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
The fact that it doesnt sound like a typical rock ballad is all the reason why it should be the next single...or the first "ballad" single. I rather them take a chance with TIL rather than releasing SOD. SOD is very good but too safe. They need to take chances. And this is the perfect song to take a chance with. They have nothing to lose. Plus this song can be played on 3 Major stations here in NY.

KRock,q104.3 and cough cough...z100

if it hits album sales will skyrocket....especially with the latter 2 stations.

Yeah but in fairness SOD could be played on those 3 stations too. Personally i hope they both get released. I'd like to see 5 singles released. Maybe 6  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on February 08, 2009, 06:02:14 PM
The fact that it doesnt sound like a typical rock ballad is all the reason why it should be the next single...or the first "ballad" single. I rather them take a chance with TIL rather than releasing SOD. SOD is very good but too safe. They need to take chances. And this is the perfect song to take a chance with. They have nothing to lose. Plus this song can be played on 3 Major stations here in NY.

KRock,q104.3 and cough cough...z100

if it hits album sales will skyrocket....especially with the latter 2 stations.

Yeah but in fairness SOD could be played on those 3 stations too. Personally i hope they both get released. I'd like to see 5 singles released. Maybe 6  :hihi:

Yea SOD will def be played on Krock and q104.3 but I dont see it on z100

I think SOD will do well on q104.3 because of its older audience. SOD will be ok on Krock but I think TIL is the only cross over track on the album. imo TIL can cater to all 3 of those stations at the same time.

Ill be curious to see how SOD does because its probably the most UYI sounding song on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on February 08, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
The fact that it doesnt sound like a typical rock ballad is all the reason why it should be the next single...or the first "ballad" single. I rather them take a chance with TIL rather than releasing SOD. SOD is very good but too safe. They need to take chances. And this is the perfect song to take a chance with. They have nothing to lose. Plus this song can be played on 3 Major stations here in NY.

KRock,q104.3 and cough cough...z100

if it hits album sales will skyrocket....especially with the latter 2 stations.

Yeah but in fairness SOD could be played on those 3 stations too. Personally i hope they both get released. I'd like to see 5 singles released. Maybe 6  :hihi:

Yea SOD will def be played on Krock and q104.3 but I dont see it on z100

I think SOD will do well on q104.3 because of its older audience. SOD will be ok on Krock but I think TIL is the only cross over track on the album. imo TIL can cater to all 3 of those stations at the same time.

Ill be curious to see how SOD does because its probably the most UYI sounding song on the album.

You may be right about that (and honestly i haven't listened to z100 in a long time)... I imagine SOD would do well, but not overly so, if just for that reason. It's strength would be it's weakness. People will dig it because it's GNR and it sounds like what they used to like, but there will also be people who will dismiss it as old hat.
TIL is a curious case though because it's impossible for me to guess how much appeal it will or will not have to non-GNR fans or fans of lighter music. As this board has shown, it can be a favorite for some people, but it can also be completely disliked by others. I think it could do very well, but probably only with a big push to get it heard widely.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 09, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
lean to matty's opinion.
however I can see it being played on the radios that are not rock stations. It would take the right moment and the right spot.

Ok. I just attended a TWILIGHT convention that was held at a hotel right next to the ALLSTATE ARENa in Rosemont where I last saw GNR in November of 2006. I was able to give out copies of Chinese Democracy to three of the actors from the film and to the people who run the TWILIGHT LEXICON website. I can be very intense when i am passionate about something, and I told them all that TIL could be Edward Cullen's theme song in NEW MOON and that it is OSCAR worthy! They all seemed excited to listen to it, and Ashley Greene said the producers ask for their input on what music makes the soundtrack! Ashley places Alice Cullen and Peter Facinelli plays Carlisle Cullen.  It was really cool to share my love of TIL with people who were involved with one of my all time favorite movies!

well done annie.

you're one of the few people whose actions speak louder than others words.  : ok:
Thankyou! It was so much fun to promote this great song!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 21, 2009, 02:47:03 PM
Really love this song but... I really don't like the god stuff. There is nothing inherently wrong with Axl using this as I am sure he is religious (cross tats, cross necklace) but personally I have a problem with it. So it doesn't impact me like it would if god stayed the fuck out of the lyrics. I was just at my kids talent show. She was the best kid there by far. But man so much god shit by other kids I wanted to puke. One kid does this gospel thing like, "If you love the lord like I do, stand up." Jesus fucking christ.

I always feel like I must have taken crazy pills. Like everyone but me is drinking the kool aide. You want me to believe in an invisible man that not one shred of evidence supports actually existed. Yea alright. Yet, mounds of evidence supports the Big Bang theory and evolution but that must just be because of some evil plot and agenda by scientists. I heard an interview with that fucking cunty bitch Ann Culter the other night. She said how 80% of the prison population was made up of individuals raised by a single mom. This hypocritical far right wing zombie bitch. Of course she won't mention how only 2% of the entire prison population is made up of agnostics and atheists. Fuck you!

Anyway, I really dig Axl's expanding on bigger themes like the Universe here, and in ITW. But, adding god into the lyrics is a big step back in my humble opinion. Maybe my only real complaint with any of the lyrics on CD. Take it for what it is.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on February 21, 2009, 03:32:35 PM
Really love this song but... I really don't like the god stuff. There is nothing inherently wrong with Axl using this as I am sure he is religious (cross tats, cross necklace) but personally I have a problem with it. So it doesn't impact me like it would if god stayed the fuck out of the lyrics. I was just at my kids talent show. She was the best kid there by far. But man so much god shit by other kids I wanted to puke. One kid does this gospel thing like, "If you love the lord like I do, stand up." Jesus fucking christ.

I always feel like I must have taken crazy pills. Like everyone but me is drinking the kool aide. You want me to believe in an invisible man that not one shred of evidence supports actually existed. Yea alright. Yet, mounds of evidence supports the Big Bang theory and evolution but that must just be because of some evil plot and agenda by scientists. I heard an interview with that fucking cunty bitch Ann Culter the other night. She said how 80% of the prison population was made up of individuals raised by a single mom. This hypocritical far right wing zombie bitch. Of course she won't mention how only 2% of the entire prison population is made up of agnostics and atheists. Fuck you!

Anyway, I really dig Axl's expanding on bigger themes like the Universe here, and in ITW. But, adding god into the lyrics is a big step back in my humble opinion. Maybe my only real complaint with any of the lyrics on CD. Take it for what it is.



Dude regardless of personal beliefs you have to realize there are powerful intellectual arguments on both sides of the God issue. While you may have to deal with a lot of people who believe in God in a childish way, that doesn't represent the totality of the argument. The same is true for atheists. Just to take your examples, there is no reason someone can't believe in evolution and the big bang and still believe in God. Evolution explains the development of life but not the origin of it. Initially we find complex creatures and ask how they could be here by chance, but with Darwin we now find a mysterious and ordered method by which these creatures are developed, and that needs an explanation every bit as much as the creatures themselves. The big bang in many ways fits right in with the Christian notion of a creator God. If things which have beginnings also have causes, and the universe had a beginning, then it should have a cause. Theists believe that cause is a divine intelligence.
I'm sorry because that was totally off topic.

As far as having God in the lyrics, it's funny because i didn't even really think of it. I kind of took it in a more casual way, "i hope to god she hears me," kind of like "i hope to god it doesn't rain at the ball park." Just part of the language, kind of like how you expressed your exasperation at your kids talent show with "Jesus fucking christ."
But i guess you're right, and it really doesn't bother me. Guns N Roses might not be the best place for an overly religious sentiment, but if Axl believes in God an it comes through in his lyrics, that's just honest art. The public sphere has to be shared by all ideas, even ones that may feel widely and oppressively held. Trust me, there's a lot of secular opinion that theists wish they didn't have to hear too. That's the bitch about freedom.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on February 21, 2009, 06:02:35 PM
Really love this song but... I really don't like the god stuff. There is nothing inherently wrong with Axl using this as I am sure he is religious (cross tats, cross necklace) but personally I have a problem with it. So it doesn't impact me like it would if god stayed the fuck out of the lyrics. I was just at my kids talent show. She was the best kid there by far. But man so much god shit by other kids I wanted to puke. One kid does this gospel thing like, "If you love the lord like I do, stand up." Jesus fucking christ.

I always feel like I must have taken crazy pills. Like everyone but me is drinking the kool aide. You want me to believe in an invisible man that not one shred of evidence supports actually existed. Yea alright. Yet, mounds of evidence supports the Big Bang theory and evolution but that must just be because of some evil plot and agenda by scientists. I heard an interview with that fucking cunty bitch Ann Culter the other night. She said how 80% of the prison population was made up of individuals raised by a single mom. This hypocritical far right wing zombie bitch. Of course she won't mention how only 2% of the entire prison population is made up of agnostics and atheists. Fuck you!

Anyway, I really dig Axl's expanding on bigger themes like the Universe here, and in ITW. But, adding god into the lyrics is a big step back in my humble opinion. Maybe my only real complaint with any of the lyrics on CD. Take it for what it is.




This post is interesting cause its like "WHERE THE FUCK is this coming from?" HAHA

Most random shit I think I've ever seen posted ever

I take it you aren't a fan of Oh My God,Garden of Eden,The Garden or Knocking on Heaven's Door either! :hihi: :hihi:


maybe Right Next Door To Hell is your favorite?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 22, 2009, 12:16:45 AM
Really love this song but... I really don't like the god stuff. There is nothing inherently wrong with Axl using this as I am sure he is religious (cross tats, cross necklace) but personally I have a problem with it. So it doesn't impact me like it would if god stayed the fuck out of the lyrics. I was just at my kids talent show. She was the best kid there by far. But man so much god shit by other kids I wanted to puke. One kid does this gospel thing like, "If you love the lord like I do, stand up." Jesus fucking christ.

I always feel like I must have taken crazy pills. Like everyone but me is drinking the kool aide. You want me to believe in an invisible man that not one shred of evidence supports actually existed. Yea alright. Yet, mounds of evidence supports the Big Bang theory and evolution but that must just be because of some evil plot and agenda by scientists. I heard an interview with that fucking cunty bitch Ann Culter the other night. She said how 80% of the prison population was made up of individuals raised by a single mom. This hypocritical far right wing zombie bitch. Of course she won't mention how only 2% of the entire prison population is made up of agnostics and atheists. Fuck you!

Anyway, I really dig Axl's expanding on bigger themes like the Universe here, and in ITW. But, adding god into the lyrics is a big step back in my humble opinion. Maybe my only real complaint with any of the lyrics on CD. Take it for what it is.



Dude regardless of personal beliefs you have to realize there are powerful intellectual arguments on both sides of the God issue. While you may have to deal with a lot of people who believe in God in a childish way, that doesn't represent the totality of the argument. The same is true for atheists. Just to take your examples, there is no reason someone can't believe in evolution and the big bang and still believe in God. Evolution explains the development of life but not the origin of it. Initially we find complex creatures and ask how they could be here by chance, but with Darwin we now find a mysterious and ordered method by which these creatures are developed, and that needs an explanation every bit as much as the creatures themselves. The big bang in many ways fits right in with the Christian notion of a creator God. If things which have beginnings also have causes, and the universe had a beginning, then it should have a cause. Theists believe that cause is a divine intelligence.
I'm sorry because that was totally off topic.

As far as having God in the lyrics, it's funny because i didn't even really think of it. I kind of took it in a more casual way, "i hope to god she hears me," kind of like "i hope to god it doesn't rain at the ball park." Just part of the language, kind of like how you expressed your exasperation at your kids talent show with "Jesus fucking christ."
But i guess you're right, and it really doesn't bother me. Guns N Roses might not be the best place for an overly religious sentiment, but if Axl believes in God an it comes through in his lyrics, that's just honest art. The public sphere has to be shared by all ideas, even ones that may feel widely and oppressively held. Trust me, there's a lot of secular opinion that theists wish they didn't have to hear too. That's the bitch about freedom.

The "jesus fucking Christ" was a poor attempt at a joke but, yea I know what you are saying. Where me and you defer is that I don't think someone can intellectually argue that a god had a hand in anything at all. Back in ancient times people had no science or means to explain why things are, and gods were used to explain the unknown. That is how it has always been. But as time goes on we have science and things that were once unknown to us have been explained through science. So why would anyone with any reasonable intelligence not come to the same conclusion about the things that are unknown to us now, in this moment in history? Isn't that the only logical conclusion. That all things, if we can manage to survive long enough, will be explained through science? That is how it was, that is how it will be again.


I take it you aren't a fan of Oh My God,Garden of Eden,The Garden or Knocking on Heaven's Door either! 


maybe Right Next Door To Hell is your favorite?

Well, yea there isn't a hell either. So good of the Christians to create this nonsense. I think George Carlin said it best;

"Religion has convinced people that there?s an invisible man?living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn?t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time.....But he loves you! He loves you and he needs money!"

Maybe people should just do the right thing because we know its the right thing to do. Not doing what we think is right out of fear of some god.

Now, break this down for me. What about the Garden has anything to do with a God? Regarding Oh my god, I think it is how Skunk suggests. Its just something so engraved into our language. Saying oh my god or jesus fucking christ, is just casual language. Adjectives that we use not really meaning god at all. I think Saying "Oh my god" is a lot different then saying "Please God you must believe me." KOHD. Beautiful song, and I get where Dylan was going with the perspective. 

Anyway, I think the idea of a god, is also a really ancient obsolete one. If the world just let go of their fear and embraced science, we could live like how people like John Lennon and Gene Roddenberry described. Its really the only way to achieve peace, and to move humankind into a bold new future working together for the betterment of our race. I think as much of a fan of Lennon's as Axl is would maybe have already come to this conclusion. With all the changing seasons of his life maybe Axl will get it right next time.

edit: I just want to add that I think the lyrics in Chinese Democracy are so beautiful and so inspirational. I really really love them. I think that is why the line in this chorus of This I love stuck out for me. Axl's words have some kind of weird effect on me. They always have. His words mean more to me then maybe any others (not including the Beatles). So I take much of what Axl writes to heart. That is why this kind of bothers me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 22, 2009, 02:03:45 AM
I think Axl believes in God. There is alot of beautiful Christ imagery in ESTRANGED, and he wears beautiful crucifixes. He probably has a more open minded view of God than the beliefs he was taught as a child. I love the pathos in his voice in TIL when he says, "Dear God you must believe me."


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 22, 2009, 02:20:56 AM
I really hate nutjob religious fundamentalists as much as I hate hardcore atheists.

I really don't want to hear about anyone's personal beliefs, and to have someone get all up in my face about it.

You believe in God, fantastic.

You're an atheist, groovy.

Just keep your shit to yourself.  That's not just going out to Buddha, but to everyone.  One of the most annoying things to me in life is having someone preach their beliefs to you.




I think Axl believes in God. There is alot of beautiful Christ imagery in ESTRANGED, and he wears beautiful crucifixes. He probably has a more open minded view of God than the beliefs he was taught as a child. I love the pathos in his voice in TIL when he says, "Dear God you must believe me."

In this song, I personally feel the heft of Axl's struggles as he expresses them in this song.  I don't go on and cry about it like others in this thread, but he gets his point across very well.  And I always think about the women that have been in my life and I find myself relating to the lyrics.  Great thing about Guns N' Roses, I tell you.  There is something in every song someone can relate to.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on February 22, 2009, 02:57:45 AM

The "jesus fucking Christ" was a poor attempt at a joke but, yea I know what you are saying. Where me and you defer is that I don't think someone can intellectually argue that a god had a hand in anything at all. Back in ancient times people had no science or means to explain why things are, and gods were used to explain the unknown. That is how it has always been. But as time goes on we have science and things that were once unknown to us have been explained through science. So why would anyone with any reasonable intelligence not come to the same conclusion about the things that are unknown to us now, in this moment in history? Isn't that the only logical conclusion. That all things, if we can manage to survive long enough, will be explained through science? That is how it was, that is how it will be again.

It's a logical conclusion, but no it's not the only one. To me science is the study of the natural world, and religion and theology concern themselves with matters of the supernatural. The idea that science and religion are incompatible, or that one will explain everything and the other nothing is I think crap. The basic issues dealt with by religion may very well be exactly the type that science can't answer. Even if religion gets it wrong, that may still be true.
I also think it's a little naive, or at least overly idealistic, to think that embracing science will help usher in an era of peace. You take away religious differences and people still have national and cultural divides to overcome. Most religious wars aren't really about religion, but rather land or freedom, and really, how many people died in the 20th century at the hands of secular regimes? It's been said that war is the science of inefficiency and peace is the inefficiency of science. It's human nature, not religion, that causes us to pursue better bombs. Science is a tool, nothing more.

Dylan is an example of a guy who has put Christianity into some of his songs in a pretty heavy way, unlike what we're talking about here with TIL. I see the point about "please God you must believe me" being different than "oh my god," in that it's a pleading and personification. Thinking of it now, it actually adds a lot of power to the song... as if stressing the importance of this. It's a pretty severe heartbreak that makes someone turn to God like that. The lyrics to TIL are at times the kind of thing you could imagine someone sobbing. Even an atheist has to admit there's a kind of poetry that's hard to top in reaching for God, because even if you don't believe, still the concept of appealing to omnipotence represents the extremity of the emotion. Imagine if the lyric was "please dear you must believe me." I think it would lose something on intensity and effect.



I really hate nutjob religious fundamentalists as much as I hate hardcore atheists.

I really don't want to hear about anyone's personal beliefs, and to have someone get all up in my face about it.

You believe in God, fantastic.

You're an atheist, groovy.

Just keep your shit to yourself.  That's not just going out to Buddha, but to everyone.  One of the most annoying things to me in life is having someone preach their beliefs to you.


I can hear that, but while i don't ever want to bother people with my beliefs, it's also not a topic I shy away from, and I don't think people on either side, as wacky as they may be, should have to silence their expression if they feel a certain way, which is I guess what is at heart here. Buddha was turned off by God being in TIL. I think we should always consider other people's feelings, sure, but i also think your freedom to express your beliefs outweighs someone else's minor aggravation at it. It sucks if an artist goes a certain way that makes it harder for you to enjoy their art, because you disagree with their philosophy, but you can still respect the honesty of that artist and his output. I feel that way about various artists.
Anyway i'm saying sorry if the convo bothered you here, and i think if i didn't always enjoy and respect Buddha's posts i might not have engaged him on the topic. I realize it's partially off topic, so i'll refrain in the future.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 22, 2009, 03:03:40 AM

The "jesus fucking Christ" was a poor attempt at a joke but, yea I know what you are saying. Where me and you defer is that I don't think someone can intellectually argue that a god had a hand in anything at all. Back in ancient times people had no science or means to explain why things are, and gods were used to explain the unknown. That is how it has always been. But as time goes on we have science and things that were once unknown to us have been explained through science. So why would anyone with any reasonable intelligence not come to the same conclusion about the things that are unknown to us now, in this moment in history? Isn't that the only logical conclusion. That all things, if we can manage to survive long enough, will be explained through science? That is how it was, that is how it will be again.

It's a logical conclusion, but no it's not the only one. To me science is the study of the natural world, and religion and theology concern themselves with matters of the supernatural. The idea that science and religion are incompatible, or that one will explain everything and the other nothing is I think crap. The basic issues dealt with by religion may very well be exactly the type that science can't answer. Even if religion gets it wrong, that may still be true.
I also think it's a little naive, or at least overly idealistic, to think that embracing science will help usher in an era of peace. You take away religious differences and people still have national and cultural divides to overcome. Most religious wars aren't really about religion, but rather land or freedom, and really, how many people died in the 20th century at the hands of secular regimes? It's been said that war is the science of inefficiency and peace is the inefficiency of science. It's human nature, not religion, that causes us to pursue better bombs. Science is a tool, nothing more.

Dylan is an example of a guy who has put Christianity into some of his songs in a pretty heavy way, unlike what we're talking about here with TIL. I see the point about "please God you must believe me" being different than "oh my god," in that it's a pleading and personification. Thinking of it now, it actually adds a lot of power to the song... as if stressing the importance of this. It's a pretty severe heartbreak that makes someone turn to God like that. The lyrics to TIL are at times the kind of thing you could imagine someone sobbing. Even an atheist has to admit there's a kind of poetry that's hard to top in reaching for God, because even if you don't believe, still the concept of appealing to omnipotence represents the extremity of the emotion. Imagine if the lyric was "please dear you must believe me." I think it would lose something on intensity and effect.



I really hate nutjob religious fundamentalists as much as I hate hardcore atheists.

I really don't want to hear about anyone's personal beliefs, and to have someone get all up in my face about it.

You believe in God, fantastic.

You're an atheist, groovy.

Just keep your shit to yourself.  That's not just going out to Buddha, but to everyone.  One of the most annoying things to me in life is having someone preach their beliefs to you.


I can hear that, but while i don't ever want to bother people with my beliefs, it's also not a topic I shy away from, and I don't think people on either side, as wacky as they may be, should have to silence their expression if they feel a certain way, which is I guess what is at heart here. Buddha was turned off by God being in TIL. I think we should always consider other people's feelings, sure, but i also think your freedom to express your beliefs outweighs someone else's minor aggravation at it. It sucks if an artist goes a certain way that makes it harder for you to enjoy their art, because you disagree with their philosophy, but you can still respect the honesty of that artist and his output. I feel that way about various artists.
Anyway i'm saying sorry if the convo bothered you here, and i think if i didn't always enjoy and respect Buddha's posts i might not have engaged him on the topic. I realize it's partially off topic, so i'll refrain in the future.

Pal, I have no problem with Axl or anyone using God in their art.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on February 22, 2009, 03:10:41 AM
Pal, I have no problem with Axl or anyone using God in their art.

Yeah i didn't really mean you specifically, i should have been clear.

Rather i just mean that it can be hard to find the right balance between speaking ones mind and still making it a comfortable thing. Buddha's initial post showed that what to me was something i never considered, was something that to him detracted from the art. Either way, i think we can all agree Axl has had lyrics that caused much more discomfort than this one.  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on February 22, 2009, 03:14:28 AM
Pal, I have no problem with Axl or anyone using God in their art.

Yeah i didn't really mean you specifically, i should have been clear.

Rather i just mean that it can be hard to find the right balance between speaking ones mind and still making it a comfortable thing. Buddha's initial post showed that what to me was something i never considered, was something that to him detracted from the art. Either way, i think we can all agree Axl has had lyrics that caused much more discomfort than this one.  : ok:

Yeah, I don't get that.  At the end of the day, it's only music.  Sure, some music has some larger than life connotations, but people forget to take things for what they are.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 22, 2009, 05:08:29 AM
Hey man, Skunk. I totally respect you man. I dig the way you explain things. Always cool as a cucumber.

I wasn't attempting to ram some atheist agenda down anyones throat. I myself am agnostic. I say that because I know there isn't definite answers to everything. I say that I don't know to things when I don't and neither does anyone else. I know that because other people do not possess powers that I don't have.  I was struck by this line in This I love and wanted to give a thorough reasoning behind my perspective on it. From a certain point of view I can totally see how this is a pretty minor complaint (if this could even be called that). The song is beautiful and that is what it comes down to really. I gave my impressions way earlier in this topic so I won't rehash now.

I am going to reread some of what was written above. Some interesting things were said.




Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Classic Case on February 22, 2009, 10:34:44 AM
"I hope to God she hears me"

"Please God you must believe  me"

it just shows how Axl grows in hes believes and as a human being and he express himself in this song, I think having God as ur guide and support is a mature way to live ur life (is just my opinion). Im happy to see Axl trusts God.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on February 22, 2009, 10:36:34 AM
"I hope to God she hears me"

"Please God you must believe  me"

it just shows how Axl grows in hes believes and as a human being and he express himself in this song, I think having God as ur guide and support is a mature way to live ur life (is just my opinion). Im happy to see Axl trusts God.
of course he trusts himself  ;)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 22, 2009, 11:46:42 AM
You call for god or whatever almighty when really desperate. no matter how much atheistic you usually are.

if you don't like god how about

'i hope to Buddha'

'please Buddha you must believe me'

er, maybe not.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 22, 2009, 12:41:01 PM
"I hope to God she hears me"

"Please God you must believe  me"

it just shows how Axl grows in hes believes and as a human being and he express himself in this song, I think having God as ur guide and support is a mature way to live ur life (is just my opinion). Im happy to see Axl trusts God.
of course he trusts himself  ;)
I love it! I was joking on Axl's Bday, I like to give out gifts to worthy people to celebrate the day, that his Bday is only second to JC's! :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 22, 2009, 12:53:54 PM
if you don't like god how about

'i hope to Barack'

'please Barack you must believe me'


Heh, regardless, there are other ways of expressing such sentiment without bringing a god into it. In fact, talking to a god is just the easy way. There is energy in the universe that is real that if explored can be as reassuring as what having hope in a god is. Again it is just not the easy way. But, its real.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Classic Case on February 22, 2009, 12:58:16 PM
yeah baby! JC and Axl fuckin rules! : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 22, 2009, 01:08:50 PM
yeah baby! JC and Axl fuckin rules! : ok:
Music of ALW, JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR! One of the all time great rock musicals! Ted Neely's performance was so awesome last year, that I thought I was in the presence of God! It truly brought a tear to my eye.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: seely on February 22, 2009, 01:41:48 PM
if you don't like god how about

'i hope to Barack'

'please Barack you must believe me'



 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:


It's just a song though, i think we're forgetting that. Using the term 'god' just gives the lyrics a more emotional and desperate feeling IMO
It's just a song, not a political or religious statement......
I'm 100% atheist and still think that line is cool


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 22, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
Heh, regardless, there are other ways of expressing such sentiment without bringing a god into it. In fact, talking to a god is just the easy way. There is energy in the universe that is real that if explored can be as reassuring as what having hope in a god is. Again it is just not the easy way. But, its real.

that would emasculate the energy of the lyrics. :hihi:

btw,
George Lucas, the creator of the Star Wars films, has attributed the origins of "The Force" to the 1963 Arthur Lipsett abstract film 21-87 which used samples from many sources.

"One of the audio sources Lipsett sampled for 21-87 [a film that had a great influence on Lucas] was a conversation between artificial intelligence pioneer Warren S. McCulloch and Roman Kroitor , a cinematographer who went on to develop IMAX. In the face of McCulloch's arguments that living beings are nothing but highly complex machines, Kroitor insists that there is something more: 'Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and in communication with other living things, they become aware of some kind of force, or something, behind this apparent mask which we see in front of us, and they call it God.'"

"When asked if this was the source of "the Force," Lucas confirms that his use of the term in Star Wars was 'an echo of that phrase in 21-87.'"
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.05/lucas.html?pg=3&topic=lucas&topic_set=%20Life%20After%20Darth


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 22, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
Heh, regardless, there are other ways of expressing such sentiment without bringing a god into it. In fact, talking to a god is just the easy way. There is energy in the universe that is real that if explored can be as reassuring as what having hope in a god is. Again it is just not the easy way. But, its real.

that would emasculate the energy of the lyrics. :hihi:

btw,
George Lucas, the creator of the Star Wars films, has attributed the origins of "The Force" to the 1963 Arthur Lipsett abstract film 21-87 which used samples from many sources.

"One of the audio sources Lipsett sampled for 21-87 [a film that had a great influence on Lucas] was a conversation between artificial intelligence pioneer Warren S. McCulloch and Roman Kroitor , a cinematographer who went on to develop IMAX. In the face of McCulloch's arguments that living beings are nothing but highly complex machines, Kroitor insists that there is something more: 'Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and in communication with other living things, they become aware of some kind of force, or something, behind this apparent mask which we see in front of us, and they call it God.'"

"When asked if this was the source of "the Force," Lucas confirms that his use of the term in Star Wars was 'an echo of that phrase in 21-87.'"
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.05/lucas.html?pg=3&topic=lucas&topic_set=%20Life%20After%20Darth

That is actually very interesting. There is obviously very interesting biblical parallels to things in Star Wars. I never heard this concerning 21-87 but it makes sense. Alright party people, I'll move on.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: White-Rider on February 22, 2009, 03:23:56 PM
NOW things are in the move! : ok:


Right on BUDDHA. :yes:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 22, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
I enjoyed the discussion a lot Buddha_Master.  :D

another side note,
I read that when Trent toured asia immediately after he said god bless you or something to the crowd he was bewildered, realising the fact that their god might not be the same one to his.

Their god, or ours, Buddha or Allah or whatever same difference, they're different names of 'the force' according to star wars.






Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on February 22, 2009, 04:00:09 PM
I enjoyed the discussion a lot Buddha_Master.  :D

another side note,
I read that when Trent toured asia immediately after he said god bless you or something to the crowd he was bewildered, realising the fact that their god might not be the same one to his.

Their god, or ours, Buddha or Allah or whatever same difference, they're different names of 'the force' according to star wars.


buddha aint no god though


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 23, 2009, 01:00:51 AM
I enjoyed the discussion a lot Buddha_Master.  :D

another side note,
I read that when Trent toured asia immediately after he said god bless you or something to the crowd he was bewildered, realising the fact that their god might not be the same one to his.

Their god, or ours, Buddha or Allah or whatever same difference, they're different names of 'the force' according to star wars.


buddha aint no god though
Budda, how would you feel about AXL ROSE SUPERSTAR?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 23, 2009, 01:10:49 AM
I enjoyed the discussion a lot Buddha_Master.  :D

another side note,
I read that when Trent toured asia immediately after he said god bless you or something to the crowd he was bewildered, realising the fact that their god might not be the same one to his.

Their god, or ours, Buddha or Allah or whatever same difference, they're different names of 'the force' according to star wars.


buddha aint no god though

That could be said about any of them. You ever consider that maybe we are all god? And if that statement is true, then your statement about Buddha being no god is false. Of course there is no evidence that Buddha, the God of Abraham, or Jesus of Nazareth actually existed at all, so all this might be for nothing anyway. Well, except my own points of course.

Axl Rose Superstar.

Look, Axl rules all but, ... yikes!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 23, 2009, 10:13:28 AM
Axl Rose Superstar.

Look, Axl rules all but, ... yikes!

word. I agree that it's a great rock musical with good tunes but I can't see axl acting in a musical at theatres.

plus I think there're reasons the words are not  'i hope to jesus'

'please jesus you must believe me'





Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on February 23, 2009, 10:51:15 AM
Hey ppbebe.

I must have blacked out. That story about Trent being bewildered realizing in this other country that their god wasn't his own. Trent is religious? Really? I mean... really?! I never in a million years would have thought of all people Trent fucking Reznor is religious. You sure you have this right? I mean this is the dude whose own songs are very very anti faith and expose much of the hypocrisies of god and religion. I could offer lots of examples, if needed but, I am sure you already know. So how is this possible. Honestly I really dig NIN. I think their recent Year Zero is a fantastic album and vision of a possible future. And it is again very anti-faith. Shit, this kind of fucks me up a bit if true.

And hey man, I have totally enjoyed this discussion.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 23, 2009, 12:34:33 PM
Axl Rose Superstar.

Look, Axl rules all but, ... yikes!

word. I agree that it's a great rock musical with good tunes but I can't see axl acting in a musical at theatres.

plus I think there're reasons the words are not  'i hope to jesus'

'please jesus you must believe me'




I was teasing Buddha about not believing in God, not about Axl being in a musical. We all know that Axl is a rock god!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: BlowUpYourVideo on February 23, 2009, 01:17:54 PM
Axl Rose Superstar.

Look, Axl rules all but, ... yikes!

word. I agree that it's a great rock musical with good tunes but I can't see axl acting in a musical at theatres.

plus I think there're reasons the words are not  'i hope to jesus'

'please jesus you must believe me'




I was teasing Buddha about not believing in God, not about Axl being in a musical. We all know that Axl is a rock god!

Or some sort of holy figure....

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7691/rockplanetsagradoaxl.jpg)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 23, 2009, 01:48:18 PM
I'd say axl is humane than god. :-\

Hey ppbebe.

I must have blacked out. That story about Trent being bewildered realizing in this other country that their god wasn't his own. Trent is religious? Really? I mean... really?! I never in a million years would have thought of all people Trent fucking Reznor is religious. You sure you have this right? I mean this is the dude whose own songs are very very anti faith and expose much of the hypocrisies of god and religion. I could offer lots of examples, if needed but, I am sure you already know. So how is this possible. Honestly I really dig NIN. I think their recent Year Zero is a fantastic album and vision of a possible future. And it is again very anti-faith. Shit, this kind of fucks me up a bit if true.

And hey man, I have totally enjoyed this discussion.

From the west to the east I have flown to be near you
I have come all this way to be close, to be here with you


And then the thought suddenly gave him an immeasurably deep sense of isolation or something like that.
I read it somewhere, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it as I forgot where.

Na that doesn't mean he's religious. When he sings 'you get me closer to god', he's still referring to a god which could be totally different from what fans with different cultural background think of with 'god'. In this sense there are his god and their god.

And yet music transcends the difference.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 23, 2009, 06:31:29 PM
Axl Rose Superstar.

Look, Axl rules all but, ... yikes!

word. I agree that it's a great rock musical with good tunes but I can't see axl acting in a musical at theatres.

plus I think there're reasons the words are not  'i hope to jesus'

'please jesus you must believe me'




I was teasing Buddha about not believing in God, not about Axl being in a musical. We all know that Axl is a rock god!

Or some sort of holy figure....

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7691/rockplanetsagradoaxl.jpg)
Buddha, how can you not believe in God when he gave us Axl Rose?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on February 23, 2009, 06:34:32 PM
Listened to this a few times today.

I absolutely love the emotion in this song

one of my favorite parts is after the first chorus, when the orchestration hits and Axl does that piano run that fits so perfectly with the orchestra.


Then the flutes doing their run while Axl is singing is great.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: russtcb on February 24, 2009, 04:02:14 PM
Listened to this a few times today.

I absolutely love the emotion in this song

one of my favorite parts is after the first chorus, when the orchestration hits and Axl does that piano run that fits so perfectly with the orchestra.


Then the flutes doing their run while Axl is singing is great.



I've been listening to this more then any other track lately. It just gets better with each listen. And I know I've said it 1000 times but Robin's solo is fucking incredible.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Brody on February 24, 2009, 04:39:30 PM
i cant fall out of love with this song.. its so amazing!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TokyoRose on February 24, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
I respect everyone opinions on this song, but I still think it would be big hit on the radio.

Perfect timing for the spring proms, and summer months.

I used to work for a label and picked a few singles, so I have a little
bit of experience in this sort of thing.

I'm still sticking with what I believe, and I can hear this song tearing up mainstream rock stations everywhere.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Aussie_Axe on February 24, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
And now it seems that I
Gave up my ghost of pride
I?ll never say goodbye


it could be on the illusions.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 24, 2009, 07:21:02 PM
I respect everyone opinions on this song, but I still think it would be big hit on the radio.

Perfect timing for the spring proms, and summer months.

I used to work for a label and picked a few singles, so I have a little
bit of experience in this sort of thing.

I'm still sticking with what I believe, and I can hear this song tearing up mainstream rock stations everywhere.


I totally agree! Tokyo Rose are you from Japan?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on February 28, 2009, 04:30:22 PM
I respect everyone opinions on this song, but I still think it would be big hit on the radio.

Perfect timing for the spring proms, and summer months.

I used to work for a label and picked a few singles, so I have a little
bit of experience in this sort of thing.

I'm still sticking with what I believe, and I can hear this song tearing up mainstream rock stations everywhere.


I totally agree! Tokyo Rose are you from Japan?
Without a doubt TIL should be playin on the radio around the world


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 01, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
I respect everyone opinions on this song, but I still think it would be big hit on the radio.

Perfect timing for the spring proms, and summer months.

I used to work for a label and picked a few singles, so I have a little
bit of experience in this sort of thing.

I'm still sticking with what I believe, and I can hear this song tearing up mainstream rock stations everywhere.


I totally agree! Tokyo Rose are you from Japan?
Without a doubt TIL should be playin on the radio around the world
One day it will! :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on March 01, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
I respect everyone opinions on this song, but I still think it would be big hit on the radio.

Perfect timing for the spring proms, and summer months.

I used to work for a label and picked a few singles, so I have a little
bit of experience in this sort of thing.

I'm still sticking with what I believe, and I can hear this song tearing up mainstream rock stations everywhere.


I totally agree! Tokyo Rose are you from Japan?
Without a doubt TIL should be playin on the radio around the world
One day it will! :peace:
till then "I'll never say good byyyyyeeeee!!!!!!"


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 02, 2009, 11:14:21 AM
After reading the interview with del I'm more leaning toward the idea that this song in essence might be about the band with the heroin heroine being his muse.
Also omnipresent, the muse is not something you can see as you wish.

EDIT:belatedly to correct the awful spelling mistake  :-[


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 02, 2009, 04:24:12 PM
After reading the interview with del I'm more leaning toward the idea that this song in essence might be about the band with the heroin being his muse.
Also omnipresent, the muse is not something you can see as you wish.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see heroine being Axl's muse.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 02, 2009, 04:26:40 PM
why's that?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 02, 2009, 04:27:45 PM
why's that?
I just don't think Axl was that into drugs. This song is far too romantic to be about drugs.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 02, 2009, 04:38:12 PM
woops I meant heroine. the 'she'


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 02, 2009, 04:40:30 PM
woops I meant heroine. the 'she'
That makes much more sense!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 03, 2009, 12:14:06 PM
Thanks annie had you not disagreed on my incorrectly typed sentence, the error would be left overlooked and I would be misunderstood.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Skunk on March 03, 2009, 12:20:49 PM
After reading the interview with del I'm more leaning toward the idea that this song in essence might be about the band with the heroin heroine being his muse.
Also omnipresent, the muse is not something you can see as you wish.

EDIT:belatedly to correct the awful spelling mistake  :-[


lol... I thought you meant the drug at first too! I was thinking to myself how i've heard some strange song interpretations but that one had to be the biggest leap  ;D

ANYWAY, how do you see it as about the band? I can see what you mean and it could be, but i'm wondering what about the song/interview made you think so?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Uber-Tech on March 03, 2009, 12:24:36 PM
After reading the interview with del I'm more leaning toward the idea that this song in essence might be about the band with the heroin heroine being his muse.
Also omnipresent, the muse is not something you can see as you wish.

EDIT:belatedly to correct the awful spelling mistake  :-[

I thought you meant the drug too!  Must admit, scratched my head a bit over that one!  Went home, listened to the song, and thought 'naaaa, I still don't get it'.  Better now, much less confused.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 03, 2009, 12:51:58 PM
After reading the interview with del I'm more leaning toward the idea that this song in essence might be about the band with the heroin heroine being his muse.
Also omnipresent, the muse is not something you can see as you wish.

EDIT:belatedly to correct the awful spelling mistake  :-[


lol... I thought you meant the drug at first too! I was thinking to myself how i've heard some strange song interpretations but that one had to be the biggest leap  ;D

ANYWAY, how do you see it as about the band? I can see what you mean and it could be, but i'm wondering what about the song/interview made you think so?

the part axl tells he too was missing something vital for music around after the illusion era .
and that it seems to me that he deeply loves the band as if it was a child he's raising.
I gonna find the quote.

Edit: to again correct the mistake. :-[


and I did so


"I prefer listening to others in general, especially those who both push their talents and infuse them with a level of energy that I've seldom heard in his efforts over the years. I'm not taking anything away from the man that are his to claim for his past efforts; it's just that for whatever reason for me, whether the approach, style or basic hands-on technique is there, the passion and true dedication to the art of guitar in his chosen area other than being, in my opinion, a whore for the limelight has generally seemed absent or lacking with most efforts for a long time. To me, it's sad. I don't get it. Where does it go? Is it a choice? Sometimes it's there on covers; I think Clive [Davis, legendary record executive] fell for that.

It wasn't there with me on 'Sympathy [for the Devil]' or ['The] Spaghetti [Incident?'] and it took years for me to get there again, in my opinion, and in the ways I wanted it to be. Will I keep it? Who knows? I'd like to, but who can say?"



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 03, 2009, 07:04:20 PM
Thanks annie had you not disagreed on my incorrectly typed sentence, the error would be left overlooked and I would be misunderstood.
You are so welcome. :beer:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AtariLegend on March 07, 2009, 03:09:13 PM
I think it's one of the most beautiful tracks the band ever wrote (bar: "Estranged")... It's easily to see why some might dismiss it on first listen as sentimental toss, but it's obvious Axl means it, which in turn makes it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Marion68 on March 08, 2009, 04:13:51 AM
a beautiful song and full of emotions


about a broken heart


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 09, 2009, 12:22:32 PM
ain't sure if the heart is broken.

I think it's one of the most beautiful tracks the band ever wrote (bar: "Estranged")... It's easily to see why some might dismiss it on first listen as sentimental toss, but it's obvious Axl means it, which in turn makes it.

he will never say goodbye. and it's not a halfassed sentiment. : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 09, 2009, 02:35:44 PM
I still have to play TIL first when I get into the car.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: grog mug on March 10, 2009, 01:03:06 AM
still the best song on the album!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on March 10, 2009, 02:17:55 AM
Listening today, they are really making a huge mistake if they don't release this as a single.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on March 10, 2009, 11:10:45 AM
it's still hard emotionally to listen to it and really think about, imagine how hard it was for god to write it and how hard it'll be for him to perform it live


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: whenUgotItUgotIt on March 10, 2009, 12:06:30 PM
To me, this song is right up there with Dont' Cry and November Rain.....I love it and you can tell how much emotion and passion Axl has when you hear him singing it....one of the best on the album!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: greekmule on March 11, 2009, 12:41:19 AM
I have played TIL to my fiancee a couple of times and she was not really impressed...

Then again her favorite gnr songs are Estranged, Think about you and Crazy (lies version)...go figure :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 11, 2009, 12:42:21 AM
I have played TIL to my fiancee a couple of times and she was not really impressed...

Then again her favorite gnr songs are Estranged, Think about you and Crazy (lies version)...go figure :hihi:
I'm really surprised since she likes ESTRANGED and THINK ABOUT YOU.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: greekmule on March 11, 2009, 12:44:32 AM
To be honest I thought she would dig it since she is into Coldplay and stuff (which i also dig...flame away), but she thinks Axl is pushing it too hard...  :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 11, 2009, 12:47:41 AM
To be honest I thought she would dig it since she is into Coldplay and stuff (which i also dig...flame away), but she thinks Axl is pushing it too hard...  :P
I am dumbfounded. TIL is one of the most heartfelt and pure songs ever!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AxlsSweetChild on March 11, 2009, 11:31:29 PM
i can understand that. the lyrics are a little bit "cheesy," but they are the right ones. this is the ultimate heartbreak song. when it comes down to that kind of sorrow, there is no other way to put it but how it is.
This I Love is truly what heartbreak sounds like.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRFAN20 on March 12, 2009, 10:16:16 AM
Don't Cry, November Rain, Estranged, and This I Love seem to be linked to each other.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 13, 2009, 10:32:22 AM
I just read a post about TIL on MYGNR describing Axl as a mortally wounded lion when he sings about the passions that won't die in my heart. I thought that was a really cool metaphor!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on March 13, 2009, 01:02:15 PM
I just read a post about TIL on MYGNR describing Axl as a mortally wounded lion when he sings about the passions that won't die in my heart. I thought that was a really cool metaphor!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=52948.0

Has anybody here watched this youtube video on CHRISTIAN THE LION?  Christian reminds me of Axl!

was it your own post that you read?  ;) axl's a lion aint he  :D


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GypsySoul on March 13, 2009, 01:10:12 PM
I just read a post about TIL on MYGNR describing Axl as a mortally wounded lion when he sings about the passions that won't die in my heart. I thought that was a really cool metaphor!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=52948.0

Has anybody here watched this youtube video on CHRISTIAN THE LION?  Christian reminds me of Axl!

was it your own post that you read?  ;) axl's a lion aint he  :D
Don't be ridiculous, CheapJon ... we all know that Axl reminds Annie of a cute little lion vampire cub in the jungle so he can't be mortally wounded  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 13, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
I just read a post about TIL on MYGNR describing Axl as a mortally wounded lion when he sings about the passions that won't die in my heart. I thought that was a really cool metaphor!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=52948.0

Has anybody here watched this youtube video on CHRISTIAN THE LION?  Christian reminds me of Axl!

was it your own post that you read?  ;) axl's a lion aint he  :D
No, it was a thread at mygnr, which I have to stop mentioning or Jarmo will get mad at me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 13, 2009, 01:11:30 PM
I just read a post about TIL on MYGNR describing Axl as a mortally wounded lion when he sings about the passions that won't die in my heart. I thought that was a really cool metaphor!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=52948.0

Has anybody here watched this youtube video on CHRISTIAN THE LION?  Christian reminds me of Axl!

was it your own post that you read?  ;) axl's a lion aint he  :D
Don't be ridiculous, CheapJon ... we all know that Axl reminds Annie of a cute little lion vampire cub in the jungle so he can't be mortally wounded  :hihi:
I love it!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AdZ on March 13, 2009, 02:48:39 PM
I love it!


I believe Gypsy is laughing at you and not with you.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 13, 2009, 03:12:42 PM
I love it!


I believe Gypsy is laughing at you and not with you.
I know, but that's OK. The thread at MYGNR was really intense.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: +Rocker+ on March 13, 2009, 03:34:56 PM
It is one of the highligths of the record, no doubt.
My favorite Robin 's guitar solo.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 13, 2009, 05:22:27 PM
I read that Axl is a Tiger...Do lions inhabit the jungle?  ???

It is one of the highligths of the record, no doubt.
My favorite Robin 's guitar solo.

You said it!



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 13, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
I read that Axl is a Tiger...Do lions inhabit the jungle?  ???

It is one of the highligths of the record, no doubt.
My favorite Robin 's guitar solo.

You said it!


I love that solo as well.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on March 13, 2009, 06:22:07 PM
The solo is killer! Robin's work is trully amazing in this track.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: +Rocker+ on March 13, 2009, 06:37:15 PM
The solo is killer! Robin's work is trully amazing in this track.

I agree. Robin deserved something like "Thanks Robin for the great melodic guitar" although...
I mean I know that Axl wrote the concept, body, structure (or whatever you call it) of the song, in the case "This I Love", but Robin's guitar solo is too important or it has too much prominence to not including him in the credit of the song, assuming Robin wrote the guitar solo of course....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRFAN20 on March 13, 2009, 06:41:08 PM
Said this song has been worked on since 1993. So their might be a version of the song with the old band we might not know about.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Naltav on March 14, 2009, 06:11:43 AM
This I Love is one of the highlights of the album.

But there is one little thing that kinda bugs me about the song. And that is, when the drums come in. I feel that the closed hihat kinda rushes/hurries the song along... know what I mean?   :-\  I feel that if Brain had used the ride instead of the hihat, it would fit more with the beautiful, smooth and calm feel of the song...

That's the only small part of the entire album where I caught myself thinkin; "Oh no... they should've done this instead of that...."

I know it seems like knitpicking, but I think about that part every time I listen to it... 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on March 14, 2009, 02:40:01 PM
The solo is killer! Robin's work is trully amazing in this track.

I agree. Robin deserved something like "Thanks Robin for the great melodic guitar" although...
I mean I know that Axl wrote the concept, body, structure (or whatever you call it) of the song, in the case "This I Love", but Robin's guitar solo is too important or it has too much prominence to not including him in the credit of the song, assuming Robin wrote the guitar solo of course....

As much as I agree with you, I think this kind of thing would feed this nonsense about Axl vs. Slash vs. Robin and so on...

And I'm sure he wrote the guitar solo. I mean, riffs and stuff I think they can write and give to someone to play, but solo is more like a personal thing. Just like Ron did with Riad solo, totally diferent from what Robin and Bucket recorded previously.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on March 15, 2009, 05:20:28 PM
The solo is killer! Robin's work is trully amazing in this track.

I agree. Robin deserved something like "Thanks Robin for the great melodic guitar" although...
I mean I know that Axl wrote the concept, body, structure (or whatever you call it) of the song, in the case "This I Love", but Robin's guitar solo is too important or it has too much prominence to not including him in the credit of the song, assuming Robin wrote the guitar solo of course....

As much as I agree with you, I think this kind of thing would feed this nonsense about Axl vs. Slash vs. Robin and so on...

And I'm sure he wrote the guitar solo. I mean, riffs and stuff I think they can write and give to someone to play, but solo is more like a personal thing. Just like Ron did with Riad solo, totally diferent from what Robin and Bucket recorded previously.
true people just need to listen to the music forget the thoughts like i just hate this guy that pisses me off


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on March 20, 2009, 06:49:02 PM
If they do not release this as a single then we can all go home and call it a day. This song, if released, WILL save the album(in terms of sales). Its the only song they have in the chamber that can cross many demograhics.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 20, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
If they do not release this as a single then we can all go home and call it a day. This song, if released, WILL save the album(in terms of sales). Its the only song they have in the chamber that can cross many demograhics.
I agree. I think it is the SCOM of the CD.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: AdZ on March 20, 2009, 07:25:46 PM
If they do not release this as a single then we can all go home and call it a day. This song, if released, WILL save the album(in terms of sales). Its the only song they have in the chamber that can cross many demograhics.

Nostradamus? Is that you?


 :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 20, 2009, 07:41:30 PM
the world didn't end in 1999 thanks god.


I don't think it is the scam...I d say it's more like the Serenade from The Fair Maid of Perth by Bizet of cd/gnr.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 21, 2009, 09:51:33 AM
the world didn't end in 1999 thanks god.


I don't think it is the scam...I d say it's more like the Serenade from The Fair Maid of Perth by Bizet of cd/gnr.
What I meant is that TIL is the song that will put Nu-GNR back on the map.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 21, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
what's 'nu' gnr? ???

anyhoo imo for the easy to relate ness, better or if the world are more like it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 21, 2009, 11:11:04 AM
what's 'nu' gnr? ???

anyhoo imo for the easy to relate ness, better or if the world are more like it.
The new and improved GNR. Or in layman's terms GNR without Slash.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNR4L on March 21, 2009, 12:13:53 PM
Said this song has been worked on since 1993. So their might be a version of the song with the old band we might not know about.

Won't care to hear it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 21, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
Said this song has been worked on since 1993. So their might be a version of the song with the old band we might not know about.

Won't care to hear it.
It might be interesting to see how the music has evolved.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 21, 2009, 01:36:50 PM
I don't think there's an old band version. it could be one of the rejected songs axl talked about.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TokyoRose on March 21, 2009, 01:46:04 PM
I'll say this one last time.

This song will be a major late summer hit on commercial rock radio.

Book it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: FunkyMonkey on March 25, 2009, 03:58:40 PM
50 Songs Every Man Should Be Listening To

March 13, 2009

Esquire magazine's annual guide to music shares their favorite new (and sort of new) songs they like. Simple as that. Heard 'em all?

24. "This I Love," Guns N' Roses (Chinese Democracy)
Because on this song, more than any other on Chinese Democracy, Axl is Axl. And that's all we've been waiting for the last fifteen years.

http://www.esquire.com/features/music/best-new-songs-0409


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: King Axl on March 25, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
50 Songs Every Man Should Be Listening To

March 13, 2009

Esquire magazine's annual guide to music shares their favorite new (and sort of new) songs they like. Simple as that. Heard 'em all?

24. "This I Love," Guns N' Roses (Chinese Democracy)
Because on this song, more than any other on Chinese Democracy, Axl is Axl. And that's all we've been waiting for the last fifteen years.

http://www.esquire.com/features/music/best-new-songs-0409

Yeah, I've been hoping the label will release it as a single. I think it's time to forget about a video/official single for "Better" and move on to one of the ballads. Hopefully, "This I Love" would be chosen over "Street Of Dreams".


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 25, 2009, 06:37:38 PM
50 Songs Every Man Should Be Listening To

March 13, 2009

Esquire magazine's annual guide to music shares their favorite new (and sort of new) songs they like. Simple as that. Heard 'em all?

24. "This I Love," Guns N' Roses (Chinese Democracy)
Because on this song, more than any other on Chinese Democracy, Axl is Axl. And that's all we've been waiting for the last fifteen years.

http://www.esquire.com/features/music/best-new-songs-0409
That is so totally awesome! :beer: :smoking: : ok: :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: carmiedisco12 on March 27, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
My opinion varies every time I hear it. I cant decide if its a beautiful heartfelt song that moves me or a cheesy 'jump the shark ' moment that is everthing that exemplifies why GNR died (in the eyes of many)

Truthfully it's prob both.

I for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great :)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on March 27, 2009, 01:38:29 PM
My opinion varies every time I hear it. I cant decide if its a beautiful heartfelt song that moves me or a cheesy 'jump the shark ' moment that is everthing that exemplifies why GNR died (in the eyes of many)

Truthfully it's prob both.

I for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great :)

You explained exactly why I don't care for it. CHEESE!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Mal Brossard on March 27, 2009, 01:59:45 PM
My opinion varies every time I hear it. I cant decide if its a beautiful heartfelt song that moves me or a cheesy 'jump the shark ' moment that is everthing that exemplifies why GNR died (in the eyes of many)

Truthfully it's prob both.

I for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great :)

You explained exactly why I don't care for it. CHEESE!

I second that.  Some songs get better the more I listen to them.  This is one of the few that for me just gets worse and worse.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 27, 2009, 02:07:56 PM
to arouse a storm of praise and criticism, isn't it quite rare for a ballad?

50 Songs Every Man Should Be Listening To

March 13, 2009

Esquire magazine's annual guide to music shares their favorite new (and sort of new) songs they like. Simple as that. Heard 'em all?

24. "This I Love," Guns N' Roses (Chinese Democracy)
Because on this song, more than any other on Chinese Democracy, Axl is Axl. And that's all we've been waiting for the last fifteen years.

http://www.esquire.com/features/music/best-new-songs-0409

intriguing list. No rock band before GNR. :)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: crow316 on March 27, 2009, 02:35:10 PM
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for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great

For me, its the solo that saves the song.  Cliched lyrics with awesome vocals followed by the best solo on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on March 27, 2009, 02:58:08 PM
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for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great

For me, its the solo that saves the song.  Cliched lyrics with awesome vocals followed by the best solo on the album.

word. there's the most exquisite balance in there.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: seely on March 28, 2009, 08:07:01 PM

I for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great :)

Wow, really? I think Ficks solo on TIL is one of the highlights of the album


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on March 28, 2009, 08:25:28 PM

I for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great :)

Wow, really? I think Ficks solo on TIL is one of the highlights of the album

yup, absolutely  :yes:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on March 28, 2009, 10:10:10 PM
Not only that, but theres NO out of tune guitar there. This was really an ignorant statement.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: russtcb on March 28, 2009, 10:10:32 PM

I for one love it, despite it's obvious cheesiness. but Finck SUCKS though , my God how he ruined it......that out of tune butchering of a guitar, oh the pain hahah......other than that it;s a mesmerising ,  gorgeous song that's cheesy as hell but great :)

Wow, really? I think Ficks solo on TIL is one of the highlights of the album

You think that because it is. There's nothing "out of tune" about the solo.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jim Bob on March 28, 2009, 10:51:08 PM
yup easily the guitar highlight of the album for me.  8)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: MeanBone on March 28, 2009, 11:33:41 PM
very heartfelt... a totally more intimate side to Axl and a brutal and raw solo by robin, kind of reminds me of Achilles last Stand 4 minute mark solo from Zeppelin


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: draguns on March 29, 2009, 09:08:48 AM
I like the solo on this song!  I think it saves the song in a lot of ways. Although I'm not a fan  of this song, it is starting to grow on me just a little bit.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jacdaniel on March 30, 2009, 06:24:20 AM
I dont think it would make the greatest single.  SOD is more poppy and mainstream.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: downzy56 on March 30, 2009, 10:40:54 AM
Singles generally follow a set structure with obvious exceptions (November Rain).  Rarely do singles lack a proper verse, bridge, chorus arraignment. 


Whereas This I Love does have a proper chorus, Street of Dreams is such an unstructured song that it wouldn't work for radio.  Radio singles require something that's easily and quicly discernible. 

That said, neither would really work as a single in my opinion.  Street of Dreams does not work for radio programing and This I Love is so out of left field I'm not sure it would catch on.  It hasn't been since the Lion King that a Broadway-styled song performed well on the radio charts.  And make no bones about it, this is a broadway show tune through and through. 

The other problem with the song is that doesn't have much of the bad-ass swagger that previous GNR ballads had.  November Rain, Don't Cry, Patience all had an attitude about themselves; a vibe that said that the authors could give a fuck if it's a slow song; we're still going to fuck you up.  I don't get that from This I Love.  While I applaud Axl's attempt to try something for new, for me, it misses it's mark as a GNR song.  The piano is too Hallmark "movie of the week," the lyrics yearn to be sung by the Phantom, and the arraignment contains little to no GNR attitude. 

For me, the final stand in terms of singles is There Was A Time.  Cut a radio edit and sell it like a November Rain/Estranged style song.  It's the only song on the album that for me embodies the spirit of what GNR once was.  There's a feeling on TWAT that makes me want to return to the place where the "grass is green and the girls are pretty."

But this is just one man's opinion.

Cheers,

Andrew



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on March 30, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
I don't see it as a single either. Who's going to play it? Rock radio? A lot of these radio guys have it out for Axl anyway and this song would get laughed right off the air.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: younggunner on March 30, 2009, 11:53:07 AM
I think TIL will work for all the opposite reasons you are giving. Its not the traditional ballad but thats a good thing. This band needs to take chances. Why release another generic rock ballad when you have created a more modern, fresh, unique rock ballad?

They need to take chances. What do they have to lose?  Its a song that can not only be played on rock stations but pop stations as well. Such as Z100 here in NY. It has the potential to get the attention of many different listeners. The Blues does not.

Radio is dead now anyways. Krock here in NY folded because they werent generating any money. What does that tell you? And they were CD's biggest supporters in the area. So GNR is going to have a tough time here in NY in terms of getting the music out there.

TIL can be played on 2 of NY's biggest radio stations. q104.3(classic rock)..and Z100 (teen girl stuff)...if TIL is a success on either station than GNR will see a significant bump in sales.

If they dont release TIL then they have no balls.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 30, 2009, 01:47:03 PM
Singles generally follow a set structure with obvious exceptions (November Rain).  Rarely do singles lack a proper verse, bridge, chorus arraignment. 


Whereas This I Love does have a proper chorus, Street of Dreams is such an unstructured song that it wouldn't work for radio.  Radio singles require something that's easily and quicly discernible. 

That said, neither would really work as a single in my opinion.  Street of Dreams does not work for radio programing and This I Love is so out of left field I'm not sure it would catch on.  It hasn't been since the Lion King that a Broadway-styled song performed well on the radio charts.  And make no bones about it, this is a broadway show tune through and through. 

The other problem with the song is that doesn't have much of the bad-ass swagger that previous GNR ballads had.  November Rain, Don't Cry, Patience all had an attitude about themselves; a vibe that said that the authors could give a fuck if it's a slow song; we're still going to fuck you up.  I don't get that from This I Love.  While I applaud Axl's attempt to try something for new, for me, it misses it's mark as a GNR song.  The piano is too Hallmark "movie of the week," the lyrics yearn to be sung by the Phantom, and the arraignment contains little to no GNR attitude. 

For me, the final stand in terms of singles is There Was A Time.  Cut a radio edit and sell it like a November Rain/Estranged style song.  It's the only song on the album that for me embodies the spirit of what GNR once was.  There's a feeling on TWAT that makes me want to return to the place where the "grass is green and the girls are pretty."

But this is just one man's opinion.

Cheers,

Andrew


Very interesting critique. TIL does remind me of Music of the Night and Defy Gravity which are 2 great Broadway songs. I adored LION KING. I still think TIL would be perfect for THE NEW MOON movie soundtrack, and it could snag Axl an Academy Award nomination and introduce GNR to a whole new fanbase. :beer:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: downzy56 on March 30, 2009, 02:27:22 PM
Singles generally follow a set structure with obvious exceptions (November Rain).  Rarely do singles lack a proper verse, bridge, chorus arraignment. 


Whereas This I Love does have a proper chorus, Street of Dreams is such an unstructured song that it wouldn't work for radio.  Radio singles require something that's easily and quicly discernible. 

That said, neither would really work as a single in my opinion.  Street of Dreams does not work for radio programing and This I Love is so out of left field I'm not sure it would catch on.  It hasn't been since the Lion King that a Broadway-styled song performed well on the radio charts.  And make no bones about it, this is a broadway show tune through and through. 

The other problem with the song is that doesn't have much of the bad-ass swagger that previous GNR ballads had.  November Rain, Don't Cry, Patience all had an attitude about themselves; a vibe that said that the authors could give a fuck if it's a slow song; we're still going to fuck you up.  I don't get that from This I Love.  While I applaud Axl's attempt to try something for new, for me, it misses it's mark as a GNR song.  The piano is too Hallmark "movie of the week," the lyrics yearn to be sung by the Phantom, and the arraignment contains little to no GNR attitude. 

For me, the final stand in terms of singles is There Was A Time.  Cut a radio edit and sell it like a November Rain/Estranged style song.  It's the only song on the album that for me embodies the spirit of what GNR once was.  There's a feeling on TWAT that makes me want to return to the place where the "grass is green and the girls are pretty."

But this is just one man's opinion.

Cheers,

Andrew


Very interesting critique. TIL does remind me of Music of the Night and Defy Gravity which are 2 great Broadway songs. I adored LION KING. I still think TIL would be perfect for THE NEW MOON movie soundtrack, and it could snag Axl an Academy Award nomination and introduce GNR to a whole new fanbase. :beer:

Yeah, I'm a big Broadway fan myself.  Les Mesirables is one of my favourite collections of songs; I have nothing against this kind of music.  My only point is that it's tough for a band like Guns N' Roses to sell itself in this light when it goes against how everyone looks at them.  Broadway songs really only work on the radio if they're happy and positive (ie. Lion King); you don't hear too many brooding and depressing show tunes played on the radio.

And it's not a question of GNR taking a risk; I say go for it if they want to try.  I'm just skeptical that radio would play it or that there will be a demand for it.  Releasing This I Love as a single would be a pitch for the masses when I think the better play is to cater to your core audience; the hard rock crowd who loves Paradise City, You Could Be Mine, Welcome to the Jungle, November Rain.  Only There Was A Time in my opinion really speaks to this crowd.  I remember playing the album to a few friends who use to be fans back in the UYI days and it wasn't until I played There Was A Time that they said they finally heard something from GNR that they were looking for.

Give people what they're looking for and they'll respond.  Try to force things down people's throats and you'll have few wanting to hear anything more from you.

Cheers,

Andrew


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on March 31, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
Singles generally follow a set structure with obvious exceptions (November Rain).  Rarely do singles lack a proper verse, bridge, chorus arraignment. 


Whereas This I Love does have a proper chorus, Street of Dreams is such an unstructured song that it wouldn't work for radio.  Radio singles require something that's easily and quicly discernible. 

That said, neither would really work as a single in my opinion.  Street of Dreams does not work for radio programing and This I Love is so out of left field I'm not sure it would catch on.  It hasn't been since the Lion King that a Broadway-styled song performed well on the radio charts.  And make no bones about it, this is a broadway show tune through and through. 

The other problem with the song is that doesn't have much of the bad-ass swagger that previous GNR ballads had.  November Rain, Don't Cry, Patience all had an attitude about themselves; a vibe that said that the authors could give a fuck if it's a slow song; we're still going to fuck you up.  I don't get that from This I Love.  While I applaud Axl's attempt to try something for new, for me, it misses it's mark as a GNR song.  The piano is too Hallmark "movie of the week," the lyrics yearn to be sung by the Phantom, and the arraignment contains little to no GNR attitude. 

For me, the final stand in terms of singles is There Was A Time.  Cut a radio edit and sell it like a November Rain/Estranged style song.  It's the only song on the album that for me embodies the spirit of what GNR once was.  There's a feeling on TWAT that makes me want to return to the place where the "grass is green and the girls are pretty."

But this is just one man's opinion.

Cheers,

Andrew


Very interesting critique. TIL does remind me of Music of the Night and Defy Gravity which are 2 great Broadway songs. I adored LION KING. I still think TIL would be perfect for THE NEW MOON movie soundtrack, and it could snag Axl an Academy Award nomination and introduce GNR to a whole new fanbase. :beer:

Yeah, I'm a big Broadway fan myself.  Les Mesirables is one of my favourite collections of songs; I have nothing against this kind of music.  My only point is that it's tough for a band like Guns N' Roses to sell itself in this light when it goes against how everyone looks at them.  Broadway songs really only work on the radio if they're happy and positive (ie. Lion King); you don't hear too many brooding and depressing show tunes played on the radio.

And it's not a question of GNR taking a risk; I say go for it if they want to try.  I'm just skeptical that radio would play it or that there will be a demand for it.  Releasing This I Love as a single would be a pitch for the masses when I think the better play is to cater to your core audience; the hard rock crowd who loves Paradise City, You Could Be Mine, Welcome to the Jungle, November Rain.  Only There Was A Time in my opinion really speaks to this crowd.  I remember playing the album to a few friends who use to be fans back in the UYI days and it wasn't until I played There Was A Time that they said they finally heard something from GNR that they were looking for.

Give people what they're looking for and they'll respond.  Try to force things down people's throats and you'll have few wanting to hear anything more from you.

Cheers,

Andrew
I love Les Miserables myself. Seeing the original cast in London was a religious experience. The only thing that topped it was seeing GNR for the first time in Las Vegas. Everything you said is why TIL would be perfect for the NEW MOON soundtrack, a brooding depressing show tune in a angsty/emo movie that will be seen by millions of people all over the world.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on April 17, 2009, 05:59:54 PM
lean to matty's opinion.
however I can see it being played on the radios that are not rock stations. It would take the right moment and the right spot.

Ok. I just attended a TWILIGHT convention that was held at a hotel right next to the ALLSTATE ARENa in Rosemont where I last saw GNR in November of 2006. I was able to give out copies of Chinese Democracy to three of the actors from the film and to the people who run the TWILIGHT LEXICON website. I can be very intense when i am passionate about something, and I told them all that TIL could be Edward Cullen's theme song in NEW MOON and that it is OSCAR worthy! They all seemed excited to listen to it, and Ashley Greene said the producers ask for their input on what music makes the soundtrack! Ashley places Alice Cullen and Peter Facinelli plays Carlisle Cullen.  It was really cool to share my love of TIL with people who were involved with one of my all time favorite movies!

well done annie.

you're one of the few people whose actions speak louder than others words.  : ok:
Thankyou! It was so much fun to promote this great song!

annie maybe it's really working.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272625684.shtml

"Chaske Spencer:  His New Moon Role - As Sum Uley, the leader of the wolf pack...
...Fun Fact - This die-hard Guns N? Roses fan was a heavy metal drummer in high school."


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 17, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
lean to matty's opinion.
however I can see it being played on the radios that are not rock stations. It would take the right moment and the right spot.

Ok. I just attended a TWILIGHT convention that was held at a hotel right next to the ALLSTATE ARENa in Rosemont where I last saw GNR in November of 2006. I was able to give out copies of Chinese Democracy to three of the actors from the film and to the people who run the TWILIGHT LEXICON website. I can be very intense when i am passionate about something, and I told them all that TIL could be Edward Cullen's theme song in NEW MOON and that it is OSCAR worthy! They all seemed excited to listen to it, and Ashley Greene said the producers ask for their input on what music makes the soundtrack! Ashley places Alice Cullen and Peter Facinelli plays Carlisle Cullen.  It was really cool to share my love of TIL with people who were involved with one of my all time favorite movies!

well done annie.

you're one of the few people whose actions speak louder than others words.  : ok:
Thankyou! It was so much fun to promote this great song!

annie maybe it's really working.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272625684.shtml

"Chaske Spencer:  His New Moon Role - As Sum Uley, the leader of the wolf pack...
...Fun Fact - This die-hard Guns N? Roses fan was a heavy metal drummer in high school."
OMG! OMG! OMG! You totally made my day! :beer: :smoking: :peace: : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: nightprowler1166 on April 17, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
The vocals and piano are moving but something about this song reminds me of another song......There's a Tear in My Beer.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on April 17, 2009, 10:34:27 PM
I don't really think This I Love sounds like a Broadway song

The other musical acts I immediately associate with it are Queen or basically Freddie Mercury, and Meatloaf, with a touch of Chopin (much simpler than Chopin but the same vibe)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LordRazZ on April 17, 2009, 10:39:21 PM
Kinda funny...

Logged in here....saw this was the latest thread posted too...and I happen to be listening to the song right now

I said it on the site, I'll say it here

It's the greatest song ever written..there's nothing more incredible than This I Love....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on April 18, 2009, 12:13:12 AM
Except for Estranged

I don't think TIL is anywhere near Estranged of course that is my fave song all time period, not just GNR but favorite period.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on April 18, 2009, 05:13:48 AM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 18, 2009, 09:46:19 AM
Kinda funny...

Logged in here....saw this was the latest thread posted too...and I happen to be listening to the song right now

I said it on the site, I'll say it here

It's the greatest song ever written..there's nothing more incredible than This I Love....
I can't believe that we agree on something! :hihi:
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?
No, I just think of Edward Cullen. :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on April 18, 2009, 10:37:32 AM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?
yes, that's probably the reason i listen to it the least, shame on such a great song  :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: cineater on April 18, 2009, 11:59:58 AM
I'm sure she felt she owed him a good bye.  It's just it wasn't suppose to be like that. 

There were words that had went unspoken.  A common bond that couldn't be talked about.  A sense of understanding.  A sense of not the only one.  A comfort there that had never existed before.  None of which could be openly acknowledged. 

And while she understood that when she left, he didn't realize it until later.  There's a lifeline there in knowing the other is out there because there was and is no good bye.

What I think of but then I'm listening from the woman's point of view.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jim Bob on April 18, 2009, 12:56:41 PM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?

prolly makes everyone think about that shit.   


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 18, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?

prolly makes everyone think about that shit.   
Nobody I have loved in the past , romantically speaking, is worthy of the depths of emotion of this song


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jim Bob on April 18, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?

prolly makes everyone think about that shit.   
Nobody I have loved in the past , romantically speaking, is worthy of the depths of emotion of this song
then it wasn't really love!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 19, 2009, 09:19:53 AM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?

prolly makes everyone think about that shit.   
Nobody I have loved in the past , romantically speaking, is worthy of the depths of emotion of this song
then it wasn't really love!
I did love these people, but it was not true love. Breakups are always hard on me, but I have been able to say goodbye and move on.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LIGuns on April 19, 2009, 10:53:33 AM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 19, 2009, 12:01:20 PM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
It gave me chills and they released it as a single. Supposedly Slash said in VH1 Behind the Music that that was where you could hear the sound of the band breaking up.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: RebelRose89 on April 19, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 19, 2009, 02:29:34 PM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:
What a beautiful thing to say! You totally rock! :smoking:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: cfcsfc on April 20, 2009, 03:47:10 AM
GnR and Twilight?
You must be joking.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: NicoRourke on April 20, 2009, 05:35:36 AM

Is this Twilight / This I Love fantasy going to come to an end ?

You've been talking about it so much I can't hear the song without thinking of that crap movie anymore !


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on April 20, 2009, 11:34:58 AM
This question begs to be asked...

Does anyone think of ex-girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses when they listen to this song?

prolly makes everyone think about that shit.   
Nobody I have loved in the past , romantically speaking, is worthy of the depths of emotion of this song
then it wasn't really love!
I did love these people, but it was not true love. Breakups are always hard on me, but I have been able to say goodbye and move on.

that's the spirit.  : ok:

 I doubt the song is about an ex.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on April 20, 2009, 12:04:51 PM

Is this Twilight / This I Love fantasy going to come to an end ?

You've been talking about it so much I can't hear the song without thinking of that crap movie anymore !
You should know me BETTER! :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on May 12, 2009, 02:11:08 PM
i turned on my media player onto random and This i Love comes on and it reminded me how beautiful this song really is. Hopefully its  a single soon :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on May 17, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
This I Love is the perfect complmenting song to November Rain and I love it!!!! :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on May 17, 2009, 09:09:54 PM

Is this Twilight / This I Love fantasy going to come to an end ?

You've been talking about it so much I can't hear the song without thinking of that crap movie anymore !

I agree, its time for Annie to let it go already.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on May 17, 2009, 11:03:57 PM

Is this Twilight / This I Love fantasy going to come to an end ?

You've been talking about it so much I can't hear the song without thinking of that crap movie anymore !

I agree, its time for Annie to let it go already.
I'll never say goodbye to this dream. :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jessica on May 19, 2009, 08:43:48 PM
This song makes me cry especially since it makes me think of my son who doesn't live with me any more and since we never had a chance to say bye..
Actually I can't listen to the song


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: lanceman16 on May 22, 2009, 11:34:39 PM
This song sucks.  Worst song on the album.  I skip it every time.  This comes from a huge fan. 

I agree with some of the comments about TWAT although it wasn't my favorite at first.  The album is dead sales-wise.  They might release one single/video but that doesn't make much difference.  If you like the music, you like it...regardless of how many people buy it.  If you don't, you don't.  Think for yourself.  Aside from TIS, SOD, and R&TB...I love every song on this album.  I'd probably put it ahead of either UYI albums.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on May 23, 2009, 09:21:41 PM
This song sucks.  Worst song on the album.  I skip it every time.  This comes from a huge fan. 

I agree with some of the comments about TWAT although it wasn't my favorite at first.  The album is dead sales-wise.  They might release one single/video but that doesn't make much difference.  If you like the music, you like it...regardless of how many people buy it.  If you don't, you don't.  Think for yourself.  Aside from TIS, SOD, and R&TB...I love every song on this album.  I'd probably put it ahead of either UYI albums.
Did we listen to the same song? ??? I always play it first.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jarmo on May 26, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
This song sucks.  Worst song on the album.  I skip it every time.  This comes from a huge fan. 

Just because you're a huge fan of pizza doesn't mean you'll enjoy every different kind of pizza.





/jarmo


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: King Axl on May 26, 2009, 04:54:01 PM
This song makes me cry especially since it makes me think of my son who doesn't live with me any more and since we never had a chance to say bye..
Actually I can't listen to the song

Wow, those are strong words....I hope the best for you.

I've had somewhat similar issues with my own kids. When I hear the song, I tend to think of my daughter.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 03, 2009, 02:00:37 AM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:
Or kills it before it can truely begin.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 03, 2009, 02:02:01 AM
This song sucks.  Worst song on the album.  I skip it every time.  This comes from a huge fan. 

Just because you're a huge fan of pizza doesn't mean you'll enjoy every different kind of pizza.





/jarmo
now im hungry lol


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 03, 2009, 02:06:45 AM
But this song makes me cry becouse when I got CD almost right after I got to this song my love rejected me also it helped me get over finaly the deaths of my grandparents but thats a different story.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on July 03, 2009, 01:30:27 PM
im leaning more toward the idea that it's axl's statement as an artist, 'she' being the muse or the band.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 07, 2009, 05:26:36 PM
im leaning more toward the idea that it's axl's statement as an artist, 'she' being the muse or the band.
That is beautiful. I still hope it ends up on THE NEW MOON soundtrack.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Trist805 on July 07, 2009, 06:43:54 PM
It takes awhile to build, but I love the part with the piano and the distorted guitar.  That's the best part to me.  Axl really knows how to incorporate the piano into rock music well. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 07, 2009, 06:46:41 PM
It takes awhile to build, but I love the part with the piano and the distorted guitar.  That's the best part to me.  Axl really knows how to incorporate the piano into rock music well. 
So true. Just like in November Rain.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Trist805 on July 07, 2009, 06:55:04 PM
It takes awhile to build, but I love the part with the piano and the distorted guitar.  That's the best part to me.  Axl really knows how to incorporate the piano into rock music well. 
So true. Just like in November Rain.

haha I was just gonna post again, and say it was this album's Estranged.  Either way, it's great.  But you are right in that observation.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 07, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
It takes awhile to build, but I love the part with the piano and the distorted guitar.  That's the best part to me.  Axl really knows how to incorporate the piano into rock music well. 
So true. Just like in November Rain.

haha I was just gonna post again, and say it was this album's Estranged.  Either way, it's great.  But you are right in that observation.
It's part V of the trilogy!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on July 07, 2009, 11:19:50 PM
Be honest now.  Who here tries to hold the "goodbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye" along with our favorite braided son while listening to the song?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 07, 2009, 11:53:56 PM
Be honest now.  Who here tries to hold the "goodbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye" along with our favorite braided son while listening to the song?
OMG! I thought that I was the only one! :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on July 07, 2009, 11:56:46 PM
Be honest now.  Who here tries to hold the "goodbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye" along with our favorite braided son while listening to the song?
OMG! I thought that I was the only one! :hihi:

The key is to get a big breath in the break with "ghost of pride" and "I'll never say...!"

Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't.  I live dangerously.  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 08, 2009, 10:22:09 AM
Be honest now.  Who here tries to hold the "goodbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye" along with our favorite braided son while listening to the song?
OMG! I thought that I was the only one! :hihi:

The key is to get a big breath in the break with "ghost of pride" and "I'll never say...!"

Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't.  I live dangerously.  :hihi:
I also used to try and do that with DON'T CRY. Tonight----------------------------------------------


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: seely on July 08, 2009, 02:30:30 PM
Be honest now.  Who here tries to hold the "goodbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye" along with our favorite braided son while listening to the song?
OMG! I thought that I was the only one! :hihi:

The key is to get a big breath in the break with "ghost of pride" and "I'll never say...!"

Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't.  I live dangerously.  :hihi:
I also used to try and do that with DON'T CRY. Tonight----------------------------------------------

I've tried te dont cry one, it is near IMPOSSIBLE to do  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on July 08, 2009, 04:29:24 PM
Be honest now.  Who here tries to hold the "goodbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye" along with our favorite braided son while listening to the song?
OMG! I thought that I was the only one! :hihi:

The key is to get a big breath in the break with "ghost of pride" and "I'll never say...!"

Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't.  I live dangerously.  :hihi:
I also used to try and do that with DON'T CRY. Tonight----------------------------------------------

I've tried te dont cry one, it is near IMPOSSIBLE to do  :hihi:

Yeah Don't Cry is even harder than This I Love!  The stars need to be aligned and God needs to smile upon thee to nail the "toniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyayayayayayyayayayayayayayayayiiiiiight."


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 08, 2009, 04:56:17 PM
It takes awhile to build, but I love the part with the piano and the distorted guitar.  That's the best part to me.  Axl really knows how to incorporate the piano into rock music well. 
Hell yeah he dose its one of the most epic things I have seen anyone do with a insterment like that.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: The Hinge on July 28, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
I guess i'm one of the odd ones out here  :-\

I have tried to get into this track.....but it doesn't do alot for me. I find it flat, boring and whinny.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on July 28, 2009, 11:13:55 AM
I guess i'm one of the odd ones out here  :-\

I have tried to get into this track.....but it doesn't do alot for me. I find it flat, boring and whinny.
To each their own but why you find it whinny?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 28, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
I guess i'm one of the odd ones out here  :-\

I have tried to get into this track.....but it doesn't do alot for me. I find it flat, boring and whinny.
You must never have experienced the loss of great love then.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on July 28, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 28, 2009, 12:38:32 PM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:
Or kills it before it can truely begin.
DJ loves the song, and he looks like a vampire. :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on July 28, 2009, 12:46:49 PM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:
Or kills it before it can truely begin.
DJ loves the song, and he looks like a vampire. :hihi:

no, he does not look like a vampire


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 28, 2009, 01:09:58 PM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:
Or kills it before it can truely begin.
DJ loves the song, and he looks like a vampire. :hihi:

no, he does not look like a vampire
Well he reminds me of all the sexy vampires anyway. The ones in movies and on TV.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on July 28, 2009, 01:11:05 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on July 28, 2009, 01:14:42 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)

or you just don't like the 'fuckin' song. ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on July 28, 2009, 01:47:34 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)

or you just don't like the 'fuckin' song. ::)

It's not my favorite. But to say that anyone who doesn't like the song has never experienced real love is flat out silly. I think this was already argued somewhere in this thread.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on July 28, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)

or you just don't like the 'fuckin' song. ::)

It's not my favorite. But to say that anyone who doesn't like the song has never experienced real love is flat out silly. I think this was already argued somewhere in this thread.

You just read the first sentence and ignore the rest or what?
i do like this song. like i said each to their own.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 28, 2009, 04:55:13 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)

or you just don't like the 'fuckin' song. ::)

It's not my favorite. But to say that anyone who doesn't like the song has never experienced real love is flat out silly. I think this was already argued somewhere in this thread.
Just to clarify, I never said the person never experienced real love , but rather THE LOSS of great love.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: LunsJail on July 28, 2009, 04:59:56 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)

or you just don't like the 'fuckin' song. ::)

It's not my favorite. But to say that anyone who doesn't like the song has never experienced real love is flat out silly. I think this was already argued somewhere in this thread.
Just to clarify, I never said the person never experienced real love , but rather THE LOSS of great love.

Hmmm...OK. I still think a person can experience all of these things and not like TIL. But I hate to beat this to death, there are plenty of other songs from CD that I think are great.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 28, 2009, 09:25:34 PM
or he never have gone through real love. well maybe me either. :P

Or maybe he just doesn't like the fuckin song  ::)

or you just don't like the 'fuckin' song. ::)

It's not my favorite. But to say that anyone who doesn't like the song has never experienced real love is flat out silly. I think this was already argued somewhere in this thread.
Just to clarify, I never said the person never experienced real love , but rather THE LOSS of great love.

Hmmm...OK. I still think a person can experience all of these things and not like TIL. But I hate to beat this to death, there are plenty of other songs from CD that I think are great.
You are correct. I just learned today that the person who wrote the screenplay for both TWILIGHT and NEW MOON is one of the producers and writers of Axl's fav show DEXTER! Kind of cool since that is his name on the board. Her name is Melissa Rosenberg! Having TIL on NEW MOON would definitley get GNR some airplay on the radio! NEW MOON will be the 2nd highest grossing film of 2009 behind TRANSFORMERS 2 REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. I hear 21 GUNS by GREEN DAY all the time on various radio stations. TIL is to me, about the loss of great love which is the core theme of NEW MOON.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 31, 2009, 02:58:26 AM
Anyone remember what happened the last time GN'R put a song on a Vampire movie soundtrack?
& it was a solid ending to an awesome movie!
look at it this way... if that song supposedly ended old gnr, maybe this new vampire flick score rejuvenates new gnr :smoking:
Or kills it before it can truely begin.
DJ loves the song, and he looks like a vampire. :hihi:

no, he does not look like a vampire
Yeah he looks like a bad ass Rock N' Roll vampire!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on July 31, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
imo he looks like a cross between Gaara and itachi.  ;D


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 31, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
imo he looks like a cross between Gaara and itachi.  ;D
True and Itachi already looks enough like a vampire with the pale skin.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Pine Barrens on November 14, 2009, 05:20:49 AM
You know how you find GN'R cover songs on youtube and you always expect them to kinda suck? Well, this one didn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSmpob5Jkws&feature


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Insider on November 14, 2009, 06:50:45 AM
i think is just fine, nothing special


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on November 14, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
You know how you find GN'R cover songs on youtube and you always expect them to kinda suck? Well, this one didn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSmpob5Jkws&feature

Not bad. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 20, 2009, 11:57:23 PM
Listen to it carefully, maybe twice. Dont you think this can be a very early and altered version of ''This I Love''? its from Seattle '92 @ Kingdome, and it was played as an intro to November Rain.

DOWNLOAD: http://rapidshare.com/files/309959147/GNR-TILPIANOSOLOSEATTLE92-ESTEBANF.mp3
STREAM: http://www.imeem.com/people/nhGA23/music/ocOdWuIo/guns-n-roses-piano-solo-this-i-love-live-seattle-1992/


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 21, 2009, 12:41:55 AM
some of the chords are the same, sounds like it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: cotis on November 21, 2009, 12:46:54 AM
Without a doubt, yes. If not then it is 99.9999999% similar.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: RaspAxl on November 21, 2009, 01:17:50 AM
yeah I think so. sounds very similar.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Chief on November 21, 2009, 01:20:58 AM
wow this is really cool.... what a good find there!!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gules on November 21, 2009, 04:00:29 AM
so does this now mean that This I Love may have been written in '92 not '93?   


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: gnrjanus on November 21, 2009, 04:32:58 AM
It was written in that era yes.. still with slash n Co. 


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: w.axl.rose on November 21, 2009, 04:34:41 AM
It was written in that era yes.. still with slash n Co. 

nnnNOOOO it was made with the new band... just joking.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: metallex78 on November 21, 2009, 04:36:51 AM
That was really cool to hear, great find! : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on November 21, 2009, 04:57:21 AM
Great find indeed!

some of the chords are the same, sounds like it.
Yeah. Tho I like it more the way Axl played on the album.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Chuzeville on November 21, 2009, 05:17:14 AM
It was written in that era yes.. still with slash n Co. 

nnnNOOOO it was made with the new band... just joking.

This I Loved was mentioned in itws towards the end of the Illusions tour when Axl was asked about a new album. "The most intense thing I've ever written." Which is not to say that the old guys ever got to work on it.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Sandrine on November 21, 2009, 06:26:15 AM
yeah Exactly. I read an interview end of 1993 where Axl mentionned the song "This I Love"


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: metallex78 on November 21, 2009, 06:50:32 AM
Yeah, I have an old issue of Hit Parader from 1994 where Axl is quoted as saying he'd written and recorded a new song called This I Love, which was the heaviest thing he'd ever recorded.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jude on November 21, 2009, 07:22:34 AM
I guess it was the time when when Stephanie left Axl and they had hard time together (1992-1993) and Axl speaks about his son (Dylan) on the "Making of Estranged" video too, so there's some kind of connection if you check the lyrics. I love that Seattle '92 clip, there is some veery beautiful chords that he plays, hopefully he would do piano solos like this on upcoming tour  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Satapher on November 21, 2009, 09:10:21 AM
HOLY SHIT!!!  :o
It sounds marvellous!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Albert S Miller on November 21, 2009, 09:14:33 AM
I guess it was the time when when Stephanie left Axl and they had hard time together (1992-1993) and Axl speaks about his son (Dylan) on the "Making of Estranged" video too, so there's some kind of connection if you check the lyrics. I love that Seattle '92 clip, there is some veery beautiful chords that he plays, hopefully he would do piano solos like this on upcoming tour  : ok:
You mention Dylon being Axl's son above, are you aware he was not the biological father?



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jude on November 21, 2009, 09:57:23 AM
I guess it was the time when when Stephanie left Axl and they had hard time together (1992-1993) and Axl speaks about his son (Dylan) on the "Making of Estranged" video too, so there's some kind of connection if you check the lyrics. I love that Seattle '92 clip, there is some veery beautiful chords that he plays, hopefully he would do piano solos like this on upcoming tour  : ok:
You mention Dylon being Axl's son above, are you aware he was not the biological father?



Yeah, but i think Axl loved Dylan very much and he was sad about Stephanie taking Dylan away from him.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 21, 2009, 11:47:07 AM
just checked the Rose Bowl '92 show and there's a slower version of this same piano solo. it introduces the black sabbath cover ''Its Alright'', not exactly ''November Rain''.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: +Rocker+ on November 21, 2009, 12:15:24 PM
It was written in that era yes.. still with slash n Co. 

nnnNOOOO it was made with the new band... just joking.

This I Loved was mentioned in itws towards the end of the Illusions tour when Axl was asked about a new album. "The most intense thing I've ever written." Which is not to say that the old guys ever got to work on it.
Why not? After Snakepit tour was done, the whole band came back to the studio (incluiding Izzy), and, according to Slash, they was working mainly on Axl Rose's songs, may be one of that songs was This I Love.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on November 21, 2009, 01:07:30 PM
It was written in that era yes.. still with slash n Co. 

nnnNOOOO it was made with the new band... just joking.

This I Loved was mentioned in itws towards the end of the Illusions tour when Axl was asked about a new album. "The most intense thing I've ever written." Which is not to say that the old guys ever got to work on it.
Why not? After Snakepit tour was done, the whole band came back to the studio (incluiding Izzy), and, according to Slash, they was working mainly on Axl Rose's songs, may be one of that songs was This I Love.
since the album's been released, the old members have been asked about the album in every interview, they have never mentioned TIL so i don't think they have worked on it


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: seely on November 22, 2009, 12:08:19 PM
It was written in that era yes.. still with slash n Co. 

nnnNOOOO it was made with the new band... just joking.

This I Loved was mentioned in itws towards the end of the Illusions tour when Axl was asked about a new album. "The most intense thing I've ever written." Which is not to say that the old guys ever got to work on it.
Why not? After Snakepit tour was done, the whole band came back to the studio (incluiding Izzy), and, according to Slash, they was working mainly on Axl Rose's songs, may be one of that songs was This I Love.
since the album's been released, the old members have been asked about the album in every interview, they have never mentioned TIL so i don't think they have worked on it

Chances are maybe it was something Axl was working on by himself before presenting it to the band, or maybe he wrote it finished and then chose not to have it on the next record, and so didn't present it to the band. He said in his open letter or one of the chats that he wasnt going to include it on CD until Robin and Tommy persuaded him otherwise, after all....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on November 22, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
didn't axl say his materials were refused by them?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 22, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
I used to like this song untill it was linked to that teenage pathetic vampire movie twilight by some people on here. Now I cant listen to it without feeling like Im gonna throw up.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on November 22, 2009, 07:03:34 PM
I used to like this song untill it was linked to that teenage pathetic vampire movie twilight by some people on here. Now I cant listen to it without feeling like Im gonna throw up.
so if me and 2 or 3 others say we think of rambo while listening to this song, it'll make you dig it again? 'cause we can do that for you


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jarmo on November 22, 2009, 07:30:48 PM
Stick to discussing the song.

If you want to discuss some teen movie, go do so in The Jungle.






/jarmo


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on November 22, 2009, 08:12:35 PM
It's been one year since this the first time I heard this song, and I still think it's my all time favorite song. It is so hauntingly beautiful.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 22, 2009, 09:41:23 PM
one year ago, i was having a very tough time trying to calm my anxiety down and not to listen to the leaked songs from CD, specially this one.

Chinese Democracy is the best GNR album ever. The wait was damn worth.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on November 23, 2009, 10:15:34 AM
one year ago, i was having a very tough time trying to calm my anxiety down and not to listen to the leaked songs from CD, specially this one.

Chinese Democracy is the best GNR album ever. The wait was damn worth.
Me too. I am so glad that I never heard a leaked version of TIL.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 23, 2009, 02:03:32 PM
one year ago, i was having a very tough time trying to calm my anxiety down and not to listen to the leaked songs from CD, specially this one.

Chinese Democracy is the best GNR album ever. The wait was damn worth.
Me too. I am so glad that I never heard a leaked version of TIL.

I dont believe there was one.  TIL was one of three songs that were not leaked or played live before.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on November 23, 2009, 03:57:22 PM
heard eirlier not, the song is eternally beautiful all the same.  :yes:

yea this song reminds me of the word "eternity". can stop the november rain?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: seely on November 23, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
didn't axl say his materials were refused by them?

Axl said whenever he showed interest in Slash's stuff, Slash refused to carry on working on it....

its all a big mystery and shouting match between the two, really


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 23, 2009, 05:48:26 PM
one year ago, i was having a very tough time trying to calm my anxiety down and not to listen to the leaked songs from CD, specially this one.

Chinese Democracy is the best GNR album ever. The wait was damn worth.
Me too. I am so glad that I never heard a leaked version of TIL.

I dont believe there was one.  TIL was one of three songs that were not leaked or played live before.

you're wrong on both things.

the track ''this i love'' leaked 4 or 5 days before the official release date, and in this same thread there's a proof that an early version of TIL was played live back in 1992 at least twice.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 23, 2009, 05:50:14 PM
didn't axl say his materials were refused by them?

Axl said whenever he showed interest in Slash's stuff, Slash refused to carry on working on it....

its all a big mystery and shouting match between the two, really

Axl said he was specifically told ''no lyrics, no melodies, just sing on them or fuck off''.

Thank God Axl never put ''just vocals'' to Slash's usual horseshit


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 23, 2009, 10:58:22 PM
one year ago, i was having a very tough time trying to calm my anxiety down and not to listen to the leaked songs from CD, specially this one.

Chinese Democracy is the best GNR album ever. The wait was damn worth.
Me too. I am so glad that I never heard a leaked version of TIL.

I dont believe there was one.  TIL was one of three songs that were not leaked or played live before.

you're wrong on both things.

the track ''this i love'' leaked 4 or 5 days before the official release date, and in this same thread there's a proof that an early version of TIL was played live back in 1992 at least twice.

both things? what is the other one ?

I dont count 4 or 5 days as a leak.
Sure its a leak, but it came from the album going to stores, not some dude with rough versions of the song.

AS for a piano intro with the TIL melody .... I dont count that as a leak either.

You= Moco


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on November 24, 2009, 12:11:52 AM
the band wanted the song to see the light of the day in november 23rd 2008, and the song was available before that date. i dont care how many days before, or the things you ''count'' as valid or not: it leaked.

and yes, an early version of the song was played live in 1992 at least twice, but its highly possible it was played several times (just hadnt the time to check my other boots from that leg of the UYI tour).

basically, no matter what you do count or dont count, these two things are facts, and both can be proven easily.

You= CACA  ;D


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on November 24, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
the band wanted the song to see the light of the day in november 23rd 2008, and the song was available before that date. i dont care how many days before, or the things you ''count'' as valid or not: it leaked.

and yes, an early version of the song was played live in 1992 at least twice, but its highly possible it was played several times (just hadnt the time to check my other boots from that leg of the UYI tour).

basically, no matter what you do count or dont count, these two things are facts, and both can be proven easily.

You= CACA  ;D

I give you the first one, and just because it technically is a leak. (Though I'll sustain its not really one, as all albums nowadays leak a few days before release) However I wont give you the live thing. A piano intro is NOT a song. If you can find me a version with axl singing the whole song I will accept its a fact. But you cant, so no, its not a fact.

You=Gonorrea.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: loosecannon3 on November 24, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
what boots from 1992 can you hear TIL?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on November 24, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
didn't axl say his materials were refused by them?

Axl said whenever he showed interest in Slash's stuff, Slash refused to carry on working on it....

Well this is about apatite type songs but from del's interview of February

axl : Also, anything I had written I felt was in similar directions then, during and after the 'Illusions' tour was more than rejected by both Slash and Duff at a time, which greatly helped destroy whatever confidence I may have had at the time.

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090303&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Sickthings3 on November 24, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
the band wanted the song to see the light of the day in november 23rd 2008, and the song was available before that date. i dont care how many days before, or the things you ''count'' as valid or not: it leaked.

and yes, an early version of the song was played live in 1992 at least twice, but its highly possible it was played several times (just hadnt the time to check my other boots from that leg of the UYI tour).

basically, no matter what you do count or dont count, these two things are facts, and both can be proven easily.

You= CACA  ;D

Yea, but weren't they on GNR's myspace before the 23rd? I remember my wife going on about how great the song was and I told her I didn't wanna hear it until the album was in my hands! I forget if it was only a few days or a week, but to say that it leaked 4-5 days before would not be totally correct considering GNR released it on their myspace.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Limulus on December 02, 2009, 03:52:37 AM
about playing this song live:
this is probably very hard to handle for Axl vocally. and not to screw it up it might be more safe not to play it every show but only very few special occasions....


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jacdaniel on December 02, 2009, 04:01:38 AM
didn't axl say his materials were refused by them?

Axl said whenever he showed interest in Slash's stuff, Slash refused to carry on working on it....

Well this is about apatite type songs but from del's interview of February

axl : Also, anything I had written I felt was in similar directions then, during and after the 'Illusions' tour was more than rejected by both Slash and Duff at a time, which greatly helped destroy whatever confidence I may have had at the time.

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090303&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp



Seems like communication really broke down at this point cos the stories we have heard are very different.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Limulus on December 02, 2009, 04:40:29 AM
axl : Also, anything I had written I felt was in similar directions then, during and after the 'Illusions' tour was more than rejected by both Slash and Duff at a time....

the CD version we know from "This I Love" rarely is in any kind of "similar directions". assuming it wasnt a rocker in the beginning when Axl wrote and possibily recorded a 1st version of it in 1992....we dont have any official word from the other old Guns that they even have heard it, let alone worked on it.

edit:
"June 15th, 1992 - Duff and Gilby go to the Townhouse recording studio in Shepherd's Bush to work on a track for Duff's solo album. Later Axl and Dizzy work on another song at a different studio."

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/history/history92.php

might be that one?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on December 02, 2009, 11:11:29 AM
wasn't an early version of this song just said to be heard on old boots?

and when they refused afd type songs, do you think they would have accepted this?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: jacdaniel on December 02, 2009, 11:16:55 AM
wasn't an early version of this song just said to be heard on old boots?

and when they refused afd type songs, do you think they would have accepted this?


Who is "They"?
Axl. Slash and Duff clearly have different idea's of what was going on during that period after the illusion tour.
Axl apparently wasnt around that much either.

bottom line: None of us will ever know who rejected what.  But some VR songs and some CD songs definitly started at that time.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on December 02, 2009, 11:50:46 AM
wasn't an early version of this song just said to be heard on old boots?

and when they refused afd type songs, do you think they would have accepted this?


Who is "They"?

Slash and Duff

we weren't there but someone who was there say they rejected his materials.  ::)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on December 03, 2009, 08:50:50 AM
I wrote on Patti Hood's wall in facebook yesterday. She seems to be a great person  :love:

She said ''I wish it was higher in the mix'', talking about her harp on TIL



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: HBK on December 03, 2009, 09:16:29 AM
RICHARD I think, overstate some much, according to some was better than Robin, now try to say which is better than Ashba, they are wrong.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: falungong69 on December 03, 2009, 09:51:44 AM
didn't axl say his materials were refused by them?

Axl said whenever he showed interest in Slash's stuff, Slash refused to carry on working on it....

Well this is about apatite type songs but from del's interview of February

axl : Also, anything I had written I felt was in similar directions then, during and after the 'Illusions' tour was more than rejected by both Slash and Duff at a time, which greatly helped destroy whatever confidence I may have had at the time.

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090303&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp



i wonder how $la$h and fudd feel about themselves now that they've seen and heard how awesome TIL is.  if they have 2 brain cells left between them, i'm sure they can figure out regret.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Genesis on December 03, 2009, 09:59:46 AM
^ Hardly. TIL had the potential to be a great song, but it missed the mark. Axl's vocals, lyrics and the keyboards are amazing. The guitar solo is too weird and the drums sound as though they are echoing in a room somewhere. I'll give credit to Robin with pushing Axl to include this song on CD, otherwise we might have never heard it, but Buckethead should have done the solo. Just my opinion.

See the solo on Sorry for reference.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on December 03, 2009, 10:45:08 AM
I don't know why would Richard play this solo. Sounds logical to me to think in DJ Ashba playing it.

^ Hardly. TIL had the potential to be a great song, but it missed the mark. Axl's vocals, lyrics and the keyboards are amazing. The guitar solo is too weird and the drums sound as though they are echoing in a room somewhere. I'll give credit to Robin with pushing Axl to include this song on CD, otherwise we might have never heard it, but Buckethead should have done the solo. Just my opinion.

See the solo on Sorry for reference.
Funny, I take that exactly to prove otherwise. IMO, Robin's solo in TIL is way better than Sorry solo. Just my opinion too.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: estebanf on December 03, 2009, 11:20:43 AM
^ Hardly. TIL had the potential to be a great song, but it missed the mark. Axl's vocals, lyrics and the keyboards are amazing. The guitar solo is too weird and the drums sound as though they are echoing in a room somewhere. I'll give credit to Robin with pushing Axl to include this song on CD, otherwise we might have never heard it, but Buckethead should have done the solo. Just my opinion.

See the solo on Sorry for reference.

IMHO, Robin's solo at This I Love is one of the 3 best guitar solos in the complete GNR discography.

And that instrumental passage where the Robin solo is included (the piano, orchestra and harp ''behind'' robin's guitar) is probably the most incredible and emotional moment I've ever hear from Guns, only comparable to the extended instrumental part of TWAT and November Rain's outro.

Instrumentally, TIL is flawless. Simply perfect. If there is ANYTHING to criticize to TIL (I dont really think there are critics to make) are axl's vocals at some points of the song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on December 03, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
what most great about the solo is  the well calculated imo tottering and swaying. that balances perfectly with
 the rest of the song that could easily be felt too serious.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bruno Poeys on December 03, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
I wrote on Patti Hood's wall in facebook yesterday. She seems to be a great person  :love:

She said ''I wish it was higher in the mix'', talking about her harp on TIL


Yea, I wish it was higher in the mix as well. But her harp sounds awesome nonetheless! :love:

IMHO, Robin's solo at This I Love is one of the 3 best guitar solos in the complete GNR discography.
Robin's TIL solo is one of the 3 best melodic guitar solos in the GnR discography imo. The other two, for me, are Ron's Catcher (the outro solo, not the first, which is amazing but not as good as the outro) and Bucket's TWAT - to be honest, Robin's Street of Dreams and TWAT solos are almost as good, if not as good as Bucket's TWAT solo.

And that instrumental passage where the Robin solo is included (the piano, orchestra and harp ''behind'' robin's guitar) is probably the most incredible and emotional moment I've ever hear from Guns, only comparable to the extended instrumental part of TWAT and November Rain's outro.
TWAT and November Rain, really? Imo this passage is the most emotinal moment I've ever heard from Guns, along with Catcher outro. Man, when I hear Axl singing those words and Ron playing that outro... :drool: Prostitute's outro deserves a mention, really.

Instrumentally, TIL is flawless. Simply perfect. If there is ANYTHING to criticize to TIL (I dont really think there are critics to make) are axl's vocals at some points of the song.
Imo Axl's vocals is some of the highlights of the song. I love it!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on December 03, 2009, 05:28:51 PM
Patti Hood brings the house down with her harp.

I hate it when people bash on the harp, that's a downright pimpin' instrument.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Il?vatar on December 07, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
I think the harp is buried in the mix mostly, it takes some potent herb consumption on my behalf for me to really pick it out. Same with the orchestra under the guitar solo, it is pretty epic, theres a guitarless version out there and it blew me away, no wonder Axl said he was proud of it because its stunning.
I love the song as it is very much though, its grew on me more than any other on the album. I thought it would make a great single for this time of year, its so atmospheric and beautiful, I think it would have went down great on the radio over the holiday season. For me its definently a crossover song which would appeal to a general music fan, perhaps more so than a traditional rock audience.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on December 07, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Can't wait to hear it live, how ever they do it!  :beer:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: lostdream on December 07, 2009, 02:28:36 PM
Let me think about it....This I love....DJ solo.....

YES! YES! YES! YES! Can?t wait to hear that.....

 ;)


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: HBK on December 07, 2009, 04:43:47 PM
Let me think about it....This I love....DJ solo.....

YES! YES! YES! YES! Can?t wait to hear that.....

 ;)

Uuffff... Patience !!!

 :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ben9785 on December 07, 2009, 05:20:28 PM
one year later, still an amazing song..

Robin's solo fits it, because it has more emotion, more of a feeling than some kind of generic straight solo

from what i can hear of the harp, little subtleties, it complements the song well

and the drums are good, picks up the song and adds some more power to it

just wait to see what they do with it if they play it live..


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: russtcb on December 08, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
one year later, still an amazing song..

Robin's solo fits it, because it has more emotion, more of a feeling than some kind of generic straight solo

from what i can hear of the harp, little subtleties, it complements the song well

and the drums are good, picks up the song and adds some more power to it

just wait to see what they do with it if they play it live..

Exactly.

I'm not one that thinks a new player has to play parts "exactly" like the original but I'm sure hoping this one's close.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Estranged#9 on December 10, 2009, 12:35:05 PM
one year later, still an amazing song..

Robin's solo fits it, because it has more emotion, more of a feeling than some kind of generic straight solo

from what i can hear of the harp, little subtleties, it complements the song well

and the drums are good, picks up the song and adds some more power to it

just wait to see what they do with it if they play it live..

Exactly.

I'm not one that thinks a new player has to play parts "exactly" like the original but I'm sure hoping this one's close.

I agree!!  and i think DJ will make sure to do Robin/song justice !!!   
if they play it live it will be a beautiful and powerful peace!!   ( *anticipation*) :yes:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on December 11, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
I am so envious of the people who got to see this song performed live for the very first time!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Wooody on December 30, 2009, 06:52:45 PM
Well, I have to say this i love live is starting to sound great, Ashba butchered the solo the first couple of times, but he's doing some progress as time and shows go by.

I think it sounds better live than on the cd. Especially axl's vocals.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: faldor on December 30, 2009, 10:29:22 PM
Well, I have to say this i love live is starting to sound great, Ashba butchered the solo the first couple of times, but he's doing some progress as time and shows go by.

I think it sounds better live than on the cd. Especially axl's vocals.
For the record, I think Ashba only "butchered the solo" the first time it was played live.  There could've been any number of factors that went into that.  But as far as I've heard, he's played it just fine since then.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on December 30, 2009, 11:23:57 PM
I gotta say I still think November Rain is better but This I Love has grown on me. I can't seem to get NR out of my head but TIL is a good song.

Joe


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on December 31, 2009, 01:24:42 AM
TWAT is better then November rain and TIL but a light year. Its literally in another Universe musically then either one of these. Bucket is the fuckin shit and proves it. Slash and Robin were showed up. Its the greatest solo in GNR's catalog. Those are great songs but, they are not TWAT great.


edit: I want to add that the Solo in Sorry is really fucking class. They it drops out and swaggers back in. Its really original and just plain cool. It really solidifies the song.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: D on December 31, 2009, 02:02:11 AM
its hard comparing songs cause u have to realize NR has been around 18 years whereas TIL is still new.. so its hard to make it a fair comparison when NR has been so played and worn out over the years.



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: doooodickiebr on December 31, 2009, 05:48:15 AM
the emotion that TIL has makes it an instant classic


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bolton on December 31, 2009, 02:37:45 PM
my friend crying all day..she didn't hear song,she just read a lyrics


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on February 16, 2010, 07:29:54 PM
I have to say that this song is just epic, each time I put this song on, I'm always discovering something new. Robins solo in this song is in my opinion, one of the most heartfelt and emotional solos in GN'R history. It was my dream to see this song live, and I finally did in Toronto and I have to say DJ does the solo justice. But I love Robin for coming up with it, and it goes perfectly with Axl's lyrics and piano melodys.

I'm sure everybody has a favourite on CD, but mine is definately This I Love. It's so inspirational and really makes you think, then the solo comes out of nowhere and rocks the hell out of it.  ;D


Lee


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lou on February 17, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
I have to say that this song is just epic, each time I put this song on, I'm always discovering something new. Robins solo in this song is in my opinion, one of the most heartfelt and emotional solos in GN'R history. It was my dream to see this song live, and I finally did in Toronto and I have to say DJ does the solo justice. But I love Robin for coming up with it, and it goes perfectly with Axl's lyrics and piano melodys.

I'm sure everybody has a favourite on CD, but mine is definately This I Love. It's so inspirational and really makes you think, then the solo comes out of nowhere and rocks the hell out of it.  ;D


Lee

I have to agree here. That solo is stunning!



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: lori_b on February 17, 2010, 10:20:12 PM
Its different in a very good way. I totally love it. I felt so much (and still do) when listening to the lyrics combined with Axl's very strong voice.  I can see the changes, the maturity in his very unique style over the years.

Cheers  :beer:


Lori  :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: inlikeflynn420 on February 17, 2010, 10:28:11 PM
I just re-watched last year's pole dancing world championships winning routine. The winner used "This I Love" during her performance. That chick is amazing! Especially the stuff she does during the guitar solo (i think DJ is a better fit for the band now and going forward, but man what a great fucking solo this is. thank you, Robin). I would love to see this pole dancing routine performed in concert while the band is playing the song live.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: GnR-NOW on February 17, 2010, 10:49:43 PM
Did Axl eventually know why she wouldn't say good bye?


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: DarkFairy on February 18, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
I can't wait to hear this live if they play it on their gig in Finland  :drool:  :drool:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axlrosegnr on February 18, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
This song has always been one of my favorites since first hearing it. But even now each time I hear it it grows on me more and more. Can't wait to experience it live.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: TransAmMan on February 19, 2010, 09:56:28 AM
I gotta say that at first I wasn't really into TIL.  Then one day while cleaning the house up I had CD just playing and TIL song came one.  I was gonna skip it at first then the solo came in and my jaw dropped to the floor.  Im sorry but as much as I LOVE Slashs' solos I think this is the GREATESTsolo EVER.  :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: russtcb on February 19, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
I gotta say that at first I wasn't really into TIL.  Then one day while cleaning the house up I had CD just playing and TIL song came one.  I was gonna skip it at first then the solo came in and my jaw dropped to the floor.  Im sorry but as much as I LOVE Slashs' solos I think this is the GREATESTsolo EVER.  :love:

AMEN.

I cannot get enough of this solo. It really is my favorite solo out of every GN'R solo


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on February 19, 2010, 05:58:14 PM
I gotta say that at first I wasn't really into TIL.  Then one day while cleaning the house up I had CD just playing and TIL song came one.  I was gonna skip it at first then the solo came in and my jaw dropped to the floor.  Im sorry but as much as I LOVE Slashs' solos I think this is the GREATESTsolo EVER.  :love:

AMEN.

I cannot get enough of this solo. It really is my favorite solo out of every GN'R solo

AMEN x2, TransAmMan is after my own heart here. You are spot on, in my opinion it is the best solo in GN'Rs discography, of course it is my opinion. Just think of the expectation Robin must have felt, being how this was Axls masterpiece. But what does Robin do, he rises to the challenge and absolutely owns the song.  : ok:


Lee


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 19, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
My day is not complete unless I hear this song as least one time.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Farid Bak on February 19, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
I have it as a ringtone when my wife calls me  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Lou on February 20, 2010, 09:19:24 AM
I gotta say that at first I wasn't really into TIL.  Then one day while cleaning the house up I had CD just playing and TIL song came one.  I was gonna skip it at first then the solo came in and my jaw dropped to the floor.  Im sorry but as much as I LOVE Slashs' solos I think this is the GREATESTsolo EVER.  :love:

AMEN.

I cannot get enough of this solo. It really is my favorite solo out of every GN'R solo

AMEN x2, TransAmMan is after my own heart here. You are spot on, in my opinion it is the best solo in GN'Rs discography, of course it is my opinion. Just think of the expectation Robin must have felt, being how this was Axls masterpiece. But what does Robin do, he rises to the challenge and absolutely owns the song.  : ok:


Lee


Amen x3

I've said before, but I'll say it again - that solo is amazing! It's so heartfelt and blends with the song superbly.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on February 20, 2010, 09:24:05 AM
I really hope they find a way to release this song as a single. I still think it could be a major mainstream hit with the proper  promotion. : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: ppbebe on February 20, 2010, 10:57:10 AM
i imagined it would go well with ballet like dying swan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJrJFk7UrYQ&feature=related
and seemingly the clip shown at the shows has a dancing girl  :D



Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on March 12, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
its hard comparing songs cause u have to realize NR has been around 18 years whereas TIL is still new.. so its hard to make it a fair comparison when NR has been so played and worn out over the years.


True but since some people havent listened to NR for 18 years like the kids(and me).

So thats what I thought about it.




Joe


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: santiago-gnr on May 04, 2010, 07:17:30 PM
This I Love - [ORCHESTA]:

http://www.4shared.com/audio/MlbfPGvg/07_-_TIL.html

IS THE FUCKIN' FANTASTIC...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on May 04, 2010, 07:35:13 PM
This I Love - [ORCHESTA]:

http://www.4shared.com/audio/MlbfPGvg/07_-_TIL.html

IS THE FUCKIN' FANTASTIC...
pretty brilliant  : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Thiago Mota on May 04, 2010, 10:25:05 PM
Beautiful!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on May 07, 2010, 06:37:28 PM
This is still my favourite song off Chinese Democracy, and it has been since the album was released. All the elements of this song work so well together.

I feel this is one of many songs, where Robin shines. Think of the legacy this song has, and then think of the expectation on Robins shoulders to do an epic solo. And he did it perfectly, the solo fits the song like a glove, and Robin rocks the hell out of it.

I know Axl mentioned he had to be persauded to put this song on the album. So thanks to Axl for deciding to put this masterpiece on the record. As I feel this song is one of the greats, and more than lives up to it's reputation it had got from fans talking about it over the years.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: bolton on May 08, 2010, 05:00:31 AM
This I Love - [ORCHESTA]:

http://www.4shared.com/audio/MlbfPGvg/07_-_TIL.html

IS THE FUCKIN' FANTASTIC...

The file link that you requested is not valid.

Please help man


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on May 08, 2010, 09:20:14 AM

I feel this is one of many songs, where Robin shines. Think of the legacy this song has, and then think of the expectation on Robins shoulders to do an epic solo. And he did it perfectly, the solo fits the song like a glove, and Robin rocks the hell out of it.
Well said. IMO, this solo is the one that most represent Robin's guitar tone in its pureness - almost like it was recorded live, in just one take and without any retouch on Protools. Obviously it was recorded in a studio and all, but thats just how it feels to me.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on May 09, 2010, 11:37:20 PM

I feel this is one of many songs, where Robin shines. Think of the legacy this song has, and then think of the expectation on Robins shoulders to do an epic solo. And he did it perfectly, the solo fits the song like a glove, and Robin rocks the hell out of it.
Well said. IMO, this solo is the one that most represent Robin's guitar tone in its pureness - almost like it was recorded live, in just one take and without any retouch on Protools. Obviously it was recorded in a studio and all, but thats just how it feels to me.

Yes, the solo definitely has that signature Robin feel, much like the solos he did in 06/07.

We all know how Robin feels every note, and I can just imagine Robin in the studio recording it, and the faces he pulls.  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: sworrm on May 10, 2010, 02:31:24 PM
think how huge this song would be with heavy radio play and big budget video


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on May 10, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
It would be big!!!
Chicks love it thats a fact!



Joe


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on May 10, 2010, 03:23:16 PM
It would be big!!!
Chicks love it thats a fact!



Joe
I concur. This is such an epic romantic ballad!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on May 11, 2010, 03:06:21 PM
It would be big!!!
Chicks love it thats a fact!



Joe
I concur. This is such an epic romantic ballad!
Yep and all it needs is to be in one movie and I am sure the girls that havent heard it would love it!!


Joe


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: CheapJon on July 02, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
when the song first was released, i loved it but it was hard for me to listen to it because it reminded me time and time again of my last relationship so i rarely listened to it, now I have a new found love for this song, it's so peaceful in some way.. last few nights of this week i've had a hard time falling asleep (due to a cold, coughing like crazy) so to actually be able to fall asleep i've had to pretty much sit up to get sleepy before i could lay down.. so it have helped to put my ipod on TIL and repeat it :P


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Annie on July 02, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Beautiful post Cheap. Hearing this song on the radio would make me so happy! :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on July 20, 2010, 10:30:39 PM
CheapJon that's a good story man!



Joe


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: hitmanhart408 on November 04, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
this song should have been pushed as a single. Better as the first single and This I Love as the second. I have not met a girl that has not loved this song. Just this week I got two girls to love it that dont really listen to GNR. It has that Sweet Child factor (as far as girls loving it). Could have been a hit imo


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axlpwns on November 04, 2010, 11:14:46 PM
the lyrics to this song are amazing the best lyrics on the album with Axl's mind for videos they could make a really good video for this song


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 05, 2010, 09:02:13 AM
this song should have been pushed as a single. Better as the first single and This I Love as the second. I have not met a girl that has not loved this song. Just this week I got two girls to love it that dont really listen to GNR. It has that Sweet Child factor (as far as girls loving it). Could have been a hit imo

That's probably the only reason why I wish that this album was released a little sooner, like maybe Dec 2006 or even 2002. I think that Chinese Democracy is one of those albums, that would have been played constantly if released when downloading wasn't as big of a problem as it is today.

I don't listen to the radio, but when you overhear it at some store or maybe a mall. I can't believe the garbage being played, and I often wonder why I never hear Chinese Democracy in regular circulation.

Sadly it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon. But I know that if Chinese Democracy was played as much as the flavour of the month, people would be amazed at the quality of the music and wonder what they ever saw in bubblegum pop crap.   


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Duke Nukem on November 05, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
this song should have been pushed as a single. Better as the first single and This I Love as the second. I have not met a girl that has not loved this song. Just this week I got two girls to love it that dont really listen to GNR. It has that Sweet Child factor (as far as girls loving it). Could have been a hit imo

That's probably the only reason why I wish that this album was released a little sooner, like maybe Dec 2006.

I don't listen to the radio, but when you overhear it at some store or maybe a mall. I can't believe the garbage being played, and I often wonder why I never hear Chinese Democracy in regular circulation.


I agree that late 2006 would have been the prime time to have dropped the album. It was the first time in years that Axl was out and about and there seemed to be a real genuine interest in the release of the album. It really sucks that Merck had to fuck that up for Axl.

The choice of lead single really hurt the album too. I think if they had gone with something like: Better, Street of Dreams, IRS, and then There Was A Time, it would have helped the album's commercial success. Having a manager with an anti-current band agenda at the time didn't help matters either.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 05, 2010, 09:31:02 AM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

I would have loved to have seen him play it live, can you imagine his face when he's feeling the solo.  :hihi:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Buddha_Master on November 05, 2010, 04:03:35 PM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

I would have loved to have seen him play it live, can you imagine his face when he's feeling the solo.  :hihi:

Buckethead's TWAT solo is the top of the food chain, respectfully.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 05, 2010, 04:09:18 PM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

I would have loved to have seen him play it live, can you imagine his face when he's feeling the solo.  :hihi:

Buckethead's TWAT solo is the top of the food chain, respectfully.

Well I disagree respectively.  ;D

But what's wierd is that we never got to see Robin do the TIL solo, and we never got to see Bucket do the TWAT solo.


What a shame.  :'(


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: wight gunner on November 05, 2010, 05:14:18 PM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

I would have loved to have seen him play it live, can you imagine his face when he's feeling the solo.  :hihi:

Buckethead's TWAT solo is the top of the food chain, respectfully.

Well I disagree respectively.  ;D

But what's wierd is that we never got to see Robin do the TIL solo, and we never got to see Bucket do the TWAT solo.


What a shame.  :'(

Until a month ago, many never got to see Duff play.... :beer:  Nothing ever surprises me with this band, even the the surprises IYSWIM


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: axlpwns on November 05, 2010, 10:03:17 PM
It would be big!!!
Chicks love it thats a fact!



Joe
I concur. This is such an epic romantic ballad!

we read a story in ym english class about heartbreak and my teacher told the class to bring a song that describes the story so i brought in This I Love and all the girls in the class love it


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: hitmanhart408 on November 06, 2010, 01:07:00 AM
It would be big!!!
Chicks love it thats a fact!



Joe
I concur. This is such an epic romantic ballad!

we read a story in ym english class about heartbreak and my teacher told the class to bring a song that describes the story so i brought in This I Love and all the girls in the class love it

thats awesome. did any cute cheerleaders fall in love with you??


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Genesis on November 06, 2010, 01:10:11 AM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

HA HA HA HA HA. That is quite funny, you joker you.

But what's wierd is that we never got to see Robin do the TIL solo.

There are still some things to be thankful for...

Buckethead's TWAT solo is the top of the food chain, respectfully.

Agreed.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on November 06, 2010, 08:51:18 AM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

I would have loved to have seen him play it live, can you imagine his face when he's feeling the solo.  :hihi:
It's really a fuckin' awesome solo, but it leaves a bitter taste because when I heard it I already knew he was out of the band.

I still think the SOD and Better solos are his peak (well, at least untill we hear other new songs).


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 06, 2010, 10:25:58 AM
So who's coming with me to the US, to present Mr Finck with the award for the Best Ever Solo In GN'R.  ;D

HA HA HA HA HA. That is quite funny, you joker you.

But what's wierd is that we never got to see Robin do the TIL solo.

There are still some things to be thankful for...

Buckethead's TWAT solo is the top of the food chain, respectfully.

Agreed.

Well if you look back a few pages, there are a number of people who have said it's their favourite GN'R solo besides me. Why would it surprise you that some fans might say this in the ' This I Love ' thread, who are Robin fans.  :o

I love Buckethead as well, and TWAT is probably one of my favourite songs for showcasing multiple solos. There's no need to try to come into the thread just to put a negative spin on anothers opinion.  : ok:

Might be considered trolling...


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: tippasaurus on November 07, 2010, 09:15:51 AM
I love love love Buckethead (I think I own at least a twenty of his albums, but to be honest, I've lost count), but I gotta tell you, Robin's solo on TIL is the best guitar solo on Chinese Democracy, hands down.  His solo on "Better" is pretty damn sweet too.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Voodoochild on November 07, 2010, 10:43:33 AM
Sure it is. And I totally understand One.In.A.Million feelings about it, even though the trolling ones have a hard time to accept. It is a really epic solo that shows both Robin unique style and feeling like no other. IMO, it's what makes the song so good - combining two huge performances with lots of soul.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: HBK on November 07, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
Solos Of Robin... AMAZING... In The Case Of TIL

OMG !!!


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: One.In.A.Million on November 07, 2010, 08:07:20 PM
Solos Of Robin... AMAZING... In The Case Of TIL

OMG !!!

I love you HBK.  ;D

See it's not just me who has this opinion, it's a solo full of feeling and emotion.  :love:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: calexs on November 08, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
Been listening to CD in the car, to and from work a lot lately. It's maturing very well like all the best albums do.

This I Love sends shivers down my spine and makes me cry every time I hear it.

All the more since a relationship just ended for me with someone I still love dearly. I kind of get the desperately holding out hope thing in the lyrics. Solo is a killer also! So am I right in assuming it's about Stephanie Seymour?

I joined the forum a few years back and waited patiently for CD with everyone else but never really posted anything much. Thinking about the past and my teens, growing up with a GnR soundtrack, makes me a little sad knowing that those days are gone now. My love for GnR is just about the only thing that has remained constant throughout the 30 years I've lived. That's pretty special, I think.

And as much as I love AFD and UYI, This I Love may be my favourite GnR song. That's pretty special too.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Duke Nukem on November 08, 2010, 05:18:01 PM
Been listening to CD in the car, to and from work a lot lately. It's maturing very well like all the best albums do.

This I Love sends shivers down my spine and makes me cry every time I hear it.

All the more since a relationship just ended for me with someone I still love dearly. I kind of get the desperately holding out hope thing in the lyrics. Solo is a killer also! So am I right in assuming it's about Stephanie Seymour?

I joined the forum a few years back and waited patiently for CD with everyone else but never really posted anything much. Thinking about the past and my teens, growing up with a GnR soundtrack, makes me a little sad knowing that those days are gone now. My love for GnR is just about the only thing that has remained constant throughout the 30 years I've lived. That's pretty special, I think.

And as much as I love AFD and UYI, This I Love may be my favourite GnR song. That's pretty special too.


Nice post. Thanks for sharing. This I Love is an extremely emotional song and quite possibly my favorite GNR ballad.

Robin's solo is superb, and he was the right fit for the time. Fortunately, having seen DJ Ashba's take on it multiple times, I think most fans realize that DJ is more than capable of playing that solo with just as much feeling, if not more. Axl really does have a knack for scouting amazing talent.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Z?phyr on November 10, 2010, 10:46:55 AM
I really like how Dj improved the solo gig after gig, I guess it took him a while to get it right (remember the Asian dates) or we needed to get used to his approach to this solo.

Best TIL moment for me was at the Arnhem gig, a guy's next to me that never heard the song before punched me to show the goosebumps on his arms during the first verse falsetto, that was a very moving & proud GN'R fan moment...

Cheers


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: HBK on November 10, 2010, 10:53:49 AM
Solos Of Robin... AMAZING... In The Case Of TIL

OMG !!!

I love you HBK.  ;D

See it's not just me who has this opinion, it's a solo full of feeling and emotion.  :love:

Robin Is Special, Is Very Important In My Life x Work, Respect & Support In GN`R & Fans.

 :love: Robin  :love:

 : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Bruno Poeys on November 10, 2010, 10:58:29 AM
Robin's solo is superb, and he was the right fit for the time. Fortunately, having seen DJ Ashba's take on it multiple times, I think most fans realize that DJ is more than capable of playing that solo with just as much feeling, if not more. Axl really does have a knack for scouting amazing talent.
Yes, that's what I think when I hear DJ playing the solo. It's amazing, different to Robin's original solo, yes, but all the main notes are there and then there's his own thing... just like Bumblefoot's November Rain solo. I didn't like DJ's This I Love solo at first, but then he improved it a lot and it sounds powerful live.


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: Jdog0830 on January 06, 2011, 12:42:09 AM
Such a good song! One of my favorates of GNR.




Joe


Title: Re: This I Love - discussion/comments
Post by: faldor on January 06, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
A friend of mine text me the other day that "This I Love" was on AOL Radio, on the Power Ballad station, if that's such a station.  Kind of cool.