Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I came across someone commenting that Steven turned up at an Axl gig in Sept 2006 and the two of them spoke for the first time in 15 years.  I searched through the forums and the news articles on this site and couldn't find anything further.

Can anyone provide links to articles or threads here that share more about this?

Yeah, I remember it too. That messed up junkie was full of praise for Axl after their little encounter, after having talked shit about him for the past 16 years. What a bitter, pathetic individual.

You took the words right outta my mouth!!!

Watch celebrity rehab and see what steven adler is like now!!!

It was shitty situation to kick Steven out  of GNR, but he put himself in that position at the time. At that point it was a business decision for the band to kick Steven out. Filing a law suit was also a business decision that was not cool on behalf of Steven.

In any event, a lot of time has passed since then. We all know Steven is an addict and has had a million problems associated by his addiction. I think Steven regrets his decision to sue GNR and Axl because it burned bridges with the band members especially Axl. Everyone has forgiven him by now except for Axl that I know of. I do not know what may have happened at the meeting or any other encounters that they may have in the future, but I think Axl being in the fortunate position that he is in at this time he can be the bigger man and put that shit behind him by now.

If I am not mistaken that lawsuit cost GNR like 2-3 million... which is nothing for amount of money GNR has generated throughout the years. I think Steven is really appreciative these days that he even knows Slash, Duff, Izzy, & Axl. I just hope Steven gets his shit together and has the support oh his family and friends to get better.

 ::)

So typical....


Steven was invited to hang out at the GN'R after show in Las Vegas in 2006.

Yes, Axl was there too.


And how did Steven show his gratitude?

Basically by starting the whole "reunion show" rumors to promote that Adler's Appetite show in July 2007.

In the end, not even his close friend Slash played at the show....





/jarmo

Exactly, it is his own fault, I don't know how many shows this joker has cancelled. Whats the latest, this Guns of Destruction show? For god sake, cant he just go away, and at least retain a little of his dignity. Gilby Clarke had a lot of exposure with GNR but has never once tried to capitalize on that to sell tickets for a live show. He has produced and mastered Hollywood Rose tracks but that was behind the scenes and not exploiting a name.

Steven, please, get yourself sorted and get a real band

I don't know Steve, so I can't say for sure, but he reminds me of a lot of kids I went to school with who had the whole world handed to them and fucked it all up in a matter of a couple years. Gotta be weird for someone like Axl to see him after so much time.

Probably thought 'could have been me', was glad it wasn't, and got the fuck past it like most of us would.

Yeah but when I see people like that I just think "Jesus what a fucking waste". It's crazy to think I even associated with them. Not to be all high and mighty cause I fuck up sometimes like everyone else. But to become such a waste is startling.

I was not aware of this encounter. Could you tell me a little more about that event and encouter? I would be interested in knowing about it.

At this point you have to just take whatever Steven does with a grain of salt. Steven is the last person anyone would probably believe about any GNR related news anyways... especially something as big as a reunion because many fans would even question if he would even be part of it. He is kind of like a little kid who has not grown up and has very little tact, but means no harm. If Axl invited him back stage I give Axl a lot of credit because that was very big of him and really cool not to shun Steven. I know Axl does not owe him shit by any means, but its cool that he can hang out with him for a little while I am sure that meant a lot to Steven.

I have had friends and even best friends that as you get older they continuously do or say dumb shit which starts getting old fast. Eventually you have to dissassociate yourself from the because they will either get you into trouble, create an uncomfortable setting, or you may just get into a fight with them.  Nevertheless, I have run into them from time to time and I am still friendly to them and will shoot the shit for a while because time has passed and its not like I have to see these people on a regular basis. Sometimes they still blurt out dumb shit and you think to yourself these guys never change, but its o.k. now because it is going to be a while before you see them again so who cares.

Me too, that's why I started this thread.  But apparently, everyone is more concerned with trashing Steven than just answering my question.

What? They met.

It happened.



Too bad Steven just had to keep talking about the reunion after that.




/jarmo

Thats why I have a lot of respect for Izzy.   He barely draws attention to himself, he's cool with Axl and GnR, toured with them.. played with some of his former band mates and is apparently cool with them, doesn't go running his mouth to the media.. puts out his own material..

I feel sorry for Steven sometimes, but the guy needs to let go of the past and try to make something of himself that doesn't involve dirty needles, AFD tribute tours, or reality television.

Yes, I understand as much.  But I do believe my original post asked for any links, articles, or quotes on the meeting from either side.  I'm sure Axl didn't publicly speak of it, but Steven may have.




Which is irrelevant here.

Thats about all we know.   Search function is disabled so it won't be easy to find the original article, but there wasn't anything huge in it.   Steven was at a show at The Joint and hung out back stage afterwards.

If they exist, you can probably find them on Blabbermouth.




/jarmo

It was in Las Vegas i heard.


Steven spoke about it alot.

But his stories changed per time, which means hes not the greatest source for information!

Thats pretty much a given with anything Steven has ever said.

hmm i was reading something on it a couple of days ago let me look at my history

Blabbermouth article:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=67085
Some other forum thing:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/archive/t-492678.html

here's something from Newgnr.com, same shit

In an interview with a fansite, Steven said "I saw Axl, talked with him from, shit, what was it? 10 or 12 at night to 8 in the morning, we talked. ... We resolved a lot of fucking shit! It was wonderful! Just wonderful. I was the same happy-go-lucky person that I've always been to him, and he enjoyed it. It was at The HardRock, when he played there. I saw the show, three people in his band all look like Izzy! I told him it sucked, I was kidding. I said "You know the five of us have to get back together! That's when it will really fucking take off again! Nothing will be bigger. It would be the biggest reunion ever in history". You know how he is. He just grinned and giggled a little bit.

Everybody in his band came up to me, "You're the greatest fucking drummer! We tell Axl, 'you gotta get the band back together'!" That's what they said to HIM! It was wonderful!"


All say basically the same thing. Funny, in one of the forums i was reading they were claiming steven was talking shit about axl right up till he met him, when he suddenly starting kissing axl's ass. Wrong!

Heres an interview on HTGTH from a year before their meeting:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=145

Have you seen or heard the current GN'R line-up?
Steven: "Is there one? You tell me. I'm pretty sure what they're doing now won't sound like the Guns N' Roses I knew. But despite all the sadness and heartache that Axl put me through, good luck to him. I still love him. It was all a decade ago, I'm over it."

Anyways, I seriously think the fact that steven is such a douche means GnR may never re-unite. There's no point doing it with another drummer, it wouldn't be a real "re-union", and axl would never play with a fuck-up like steven, he's way too proffessional a musician. (just watched a video of hammerstein where he stopped nighttrain after a small mistake).

Oh well. Maybe for one song one day.

I am glad Steven and Axl were able to hang out. This was probably a big deal to Steven to see and talk to Axl after so many years. Steven was probably ecstatic that Axl would even speak to him let alone want to hang out with him. Axl was probably in a really good mood that night. I am sure Axl's impression of Steven is still that he is a lovable person, but is still dealing with a lot of the issues that caused him to get kicked out of the band. He know that Steven is harmless, but does have a big mouth. Axl will always have his guard up with the former members even if they ever become friends again.

I think one of the reasons that Axl prefers this version of the band is because he is in complete control over the band, wereas with the original members everybody had a say in music and direction of the band. Then you have people like Steven that wear there emotions on their sleeve and say what they feel before thinking about what they are saying, that allows for fights amongst members and awkward situations. I don't think anyone has the balls to challenge Axl these days because it could cost them their job. Shit I wouldn't.

I don't believe it is about challenging Axl, these chosen members are all very talented musicians, that is why they have been hand picked by Axl,  however these men all have great musical talent and that talent has led them down other musical paths, as well, as we all know they extend their talents to other musical interests  ie... Robin and NIN for example, I haven't seen them stop just because they are members of GNR. However I am sure their in a place musically because they choose to be, not because they are controlled. :)

I agree. They were hand picked by Axl and I think his strategy was to get the best musicians available. However, none have been in bands as big as GNR and are probably getting paid very nicely, and will probably even get paid more now when CD comes out and start touring again. With that said I think they may think twice before questioning or challenging Axl with a creative decision, and even if they do they know Axl will do whatever he wants anyways. Whereas someone like Steven or Duff would be more outspoken (back in the day) because they probably felt that they were all equals. I don't think even Robin or Dizzy consider themselves equals to Axl when it comes to GNR.

Yeah they met, we talked about it here, in the main section. It was a good read. I'd find the link for you but the forum won't let me search right now.
I have no idea why "certain" people insist on taking the fact that they met lightly, or talk-trashing steven. I thought It was awsome and truely worth
reading that they met after such a long time. I only wish we knew exactly what they talked about. Don't let people get you down Bridge, I hope you
find the info. you seek.

Ahh!!! I better understand you with that said : ok:

Steven was suing for royalties that were rightfully his.Dude got a raw deal in the first place being kicked out of Guns when many were in just as bad of shape as he was.So,again, why should Steven not have sued for royalties that were rightfully his?

He was obviously messed up when he signed an agreement cutting him off from future royalties and yeah that is his fault but he deserves that AFD money as much as anyone else does.

The comments/attacks on Steven make me wonder if most of you were ever GNR fans to begin with.Steve is a talkative guy, so what if he expresses hope for the guys  to get back together?

We should all be wishing the best for Stevie not making jokes about his addictions.

The poll on here for favorite drummer should show what ,hopefully,most GNR fans think of Steven.

I agree he should have sued for royalties... he was getting fucked. That is why the court actually awarded him the right to collect royalties. What I meant about putting himself in that situation is that as a result of suing GNR and Axl... Axl was bound to get pissed off at him and he did. Who would not be pissed if they get sued by someone even if they are in the wrong. It is a natuaral human reaction.

I believe that the he was the scapegoat or sacrificial lamb so to speak for the drug issues of everybody else at the time. I think Slash, Duff, and Izzy and even Axl could have been a little more supportive and tried to be there for Steven. It appears that at this time Axl was the only sober one and the one that was trying to get the band in gear. I could understand Axl's impatience trying to deal witha bunch of addicts while he is trying to work... it must have been a frustrating situation because he must have felt alone in his efforts.

I always saw these guys as family and brothers. They have always said they were brothers and a gang. I aalso felt that they kind of turned their back on Steven... like sorry buddy your still fucked up, and we are not, but we got to go peace! I understand they were younger and  immature at the time and maybe more selfish but it was still fucked up.

I think they did not explore every option that was available to them to get Steven better because all of sudden they were on a diligent schedule to work on UYI. The irony is that Axl took 17 years to finish CD for his own personal reasons, and that is fine, but I think that considering what was going on with Steven from a humanitarian point of view they could have been like... you know what lets get Steven help and get him clean. He could DIE from this shit. Thank God he did not, but I think his life is more important than finishing a record.

I actually think if Steven could have gotten better at this point in his life his life would have turned out different and he would not be dealing with all this shit today. It's obvious he is till carrying with all the shit of being kicked out of GNR, and that probably has to do with drug use. I think if we would have gotten clean back then there may have been a chance he may have turned out like Izzy that he stopped with the drugs and stayed clean.

Not really. They met, and after that all that happened was Steven blabbing his mouth about a reunion.

If you knew your GN'R history a little bit better and didn't automatically blame everything on Axl, you'd know this already:

AXL: The misconception is that we kicked him out for the hell of it, and that I was the dictator behind it. The truth is, I probably fought a little harder to keep him in the band, because I wasn't working with him on a daily basis like the other guys were. They grew tired of not being able to get their work done because Steven wasn't capable of it. I've read interviews where he's saying that he's straight. Most of the time he isn't. He's the type of person who wants everything handed to him, and he did get it handed to him. He got it handed to him from me. At one point, in order to keep this band together, it was necessary for me to give him a portion of my publishing rights. That was one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my life, but he threw such a fit, saying he wasn't going to stay in the band. We were worried about not being able to record our first album, so I did what I felt I had to do. In the long run I paid very extensively for keeping Steven in Guns N' Roses. I paid $1.5 million by giving him 15% of my publishing off of Appetite For Destruction. He didn't write one goddamn note, but he calls me a selfish dick!





/jarmo

I was just going to say.... kinda the same thing, they all a hand in helping poor Steven, Steven didn't want to help himself :no:

well unlike many Axl ass lickers on here I don't believe some of the things Axl has said over the years,but I suppose I don't believe half of what any famous person says anyway.

Hey, all I'm going to say is if his position in GNR meant so much to him then why is it he could not make it his priority to get clean and stay that way, what is important to Steven is being high, and then feeling sorry for himself, and now on national  television, If I were Steven I would be ashamed of myself, but how can he be, he is to @#%$ up 99% of the time to feel anything. Steven through away Steven's life, and you say that makes some of us Axl ass lickers?

is that really necessary?

I don't want to open Pandora's box and start a whole Steven vs. Axl thing, but what I said about not only Axl but the rest of the guys, with regards to being supportive was to be there through Steven's bullshit to get him off drugs.

Axl's statement says he was not even there but that everyone was saying they could not work with Steven... that he read reviews about him saying he was sober, and he really  wasn't... that he was fair  to Steven because he gave him a cut of publishing rights? Come on this is bullshit... what kind of friends are you... if you have to read about what is going on in someones life through a magazine.

It is obvious the band members were all busy doing their own shit. I do not know any heroin addicts, but from what I have seen, heard, and read I imagine it is a very difficult situation to deal with if you are a family member  or friend and not very pleasant. Axl nor anybody else had to do shit to help Steven, but it would have been big on Axl's or Slash's or Duff's part to say... get me on a plane let me see Steven and be like dude you need help and we are not going anywhere until you are better.

I read in Slash's book when they went on that retreat in Hawaii or wherever and all they did was play golf and get high or something that... that is not Rehab or trying to help someone. People around the band were enabling these habbits not trying to prevent them. However, there came a time when everyone had to get back to work and Steven was to far gone and no one tried rescuing him and in my opinion that is kind fucked up even though he did put himself in that situation by doing drugs. Obviously it is a lot easier to just say fuck him man he is just a junkie anyways. Well he was not always a junkie he was your friend.

Now if they would have tried to get him the help he needed and after a certain time nothing was changing then I would agree there is nothing more you can do and you must move on.

I understand your feelings, the thing is, when it comes down to it, the public only knows so much, and in all reality it is probably all we will ever know.  We were not behind the scenes. so we all base our opinions with what is available, rumor not fact. You had five guys, each one chasing the same dream, together they were a family, that dream became reality and with it came extreme excess, out of the five, one stayed sober, 4 did not, 3 struggled but did not falter, 1 did.  I think everyone is greatful and loved Steven (what's not to love, he is really sweet it seems) for his contribution to Guns, he filled his spot well, and it is sad it ended, he is and will be always remembered, but regardless it has been many many years and that chapter is over.