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Listening to CD the other day and now knowing its the first song off the album, it reminds me a lot of WTTJ and how it leades off AFD.  They both have that delay effect going in the intro which leads to a big build up.  Also you hear a lot of bluesy rock fills going on as well, similar to the guitar fills on WTTJ.  Also the long scream by Axl both take place in beginning of the song.  Just thought there were some similarities.  Its one of the few songs that sounds like the older GNR songs.  Its a great way to kick off the album IMO.

I posted this a long time ago and got some nay sayers. I agree.

I desagree. Welcome to the Jungle is a masterpiece, a classic song. It has a great riff, Great solo y the Axl's voice is Killer. on the other hand, Chinese Democracy its a average song.

just because axl doesn't use his high pitch voice in the song doesn't make it average. i've always thought CD would make a great first track because the intro just grabs your attention and the whole song doesn't let it go

I'm glad you think that. I wish I could.
I think it would be a fine concert-starter, but it will never top WTTJ in its suspense, pop appeal and both musically and lyrically.

MNW

I can see the similarities, but don't think CD is on the same level as WTTJ. WTTJ is a classic, but CD is kind of blah. I do think it's got intro written all over it. The way it builds up it would probably sound out of place anywhere but the intro song.

I absolutely love Gn'R, but Welcome to the Jungle is one of the few Gn'R songs that never did that much for me (aside from the intro).  (And yes, I know I'm in the very small minority here).  Chinese Democracy does a lot more for me....  It's more accessible, it has better melodies, and the guitar work is better!

I wouldn't say the guitar work is better. Cool if it sounds better to you, but really, these guys can't hang with Slash. GNR may have some virtuosos, but Slash is a legend. CD just sounds like it's been done before, whereas WTTJ was a breath of fresh air. This of course I'm judging by the leaks and live versions, so I will revise my opinion when I hear the final version, which I'm hoping does change my mind.

He wasn't a legend before AFD came out.   : ok:

Good point!

Guys, don't confuse me... My point was the songs have similarities to each other.  The intro with Delay, axl scream, opening track etc.  I am not saying the song is as good as WTTJ, just saying they share some common traits. 

I Definitely see where you are coming from.

CD is a cool song and great starter for the album. I even think it has been overlooked and a little underrated, but it is not even in the same league as WTTJ.

WTTJ tells a story about this band when they started, their fuck you attitude, get  in your face, take no shit persona. The intro and break down. This is one of those songs that justs pumps people up when Axls says... you know where the fuck you are? and then the intro riff hits. It is just amazing live or on the radio. CD is cool but lacks the former. That does not mean its not a good song because it is. Its just not in the same arena as WTTJ.

I think Madagascar reminds me NR, DC, Estranged.

Yes C.D. is the PERFECT lead off track or opener for the upcoming tour!!!

I love this song...

Agreed!  Its one of my favorites of the new songs.  It fucking rocks.

And Hudson, for the 10th time, I am not saying this song is close to WTTJ.  I agree, it isn't, but has common traits.

I would say the guitar playing in WTTJ is raw with a blues back bone. Technically speaking CD has the better guitar work though. And I like the better melodies. I like WTTJ but never got it like a lot of others have. I'd lived PC and Sweet Child O Mine from that album much more.

yeah I like that part when he screams "can't hold back now"

very cool great track

Good description, I guess that has a lot to do with why I like WTTJ much more. I'll take raw and bluesy over technical 7 days a week. I'm a sucker for a great guitar solo, but not just because it's hard to play. That means nothing to me. Anyone can learn how to play the guitar, but to write is another story. For instance Bumblefoots solos I saw on GNRs tours. He'd play this whacky Tom Morello sounding solo that, you know can't be easy to play, but it just sounded like noise to me. Then he took the Don't Cry solo, and put his own touch on it and it sounded amazing. 

This guitar riff is more Nirvana than Original GNR though so I don't think they have any similiarities whatsoever.

Are u kidding me?

Power Chords are more technical than the riffage in WTTJ? CD is like 4 power chords the entire song.

Actually WTTJ is a pretty complex arrangement, CD, not so much.  But the delay on the guitars at the intro and the howl by Axl are the similarities I am noting.

WTTJ is straight forward blues. CD Is straight forward as well but obviously the intro and solo area are a lot more complex. The solo in WTTJ is blues based as you can get.

Smoking Gun- I never said you think CD was better than WTTJ. My last post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. In my last post... I was illustrating the differences between the two songs based on my opinion. Don't be so sensitive.

whats complex about playing 4 power chords?

The verses and chorus aren't more complex but the solo sure is. As well as the intro. And the music behind it.

Sorry hudson for lashing out.  It won't happen again.

I really feel like Chinese Democracy is the new Welcome to the Jungle and would work equally well as an opener at concerts.
The intro to both songs as well as the solo and the general feel of the song both give me goosebumps. They're both brilliant album openers as well as concert openers.

And what about Bucket's licks throughout the whole song? ::)

The few notes at the beginning of WTTJ doesn't make it technically hard either.

Technically speaking CD is much harder to play as a whole, not comparing the chords to the little riffs here and there. That's my opinion based on playing the two songs (rhythm and lead).

IMO, CD has much more energy and would go great as a concert opener, and I think it's time to change it up a bit and promote the new album. Normally the first song in support of a new album is a new song. We all know GN'R aren't "normal" so who knows what they will decide to do.

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CD is awsome as an opening song to the album. With the chinese voices and the guitar in the begining is killer. But not their best song in general.
As for similarities to WTTJ. None that I can see, except they both have the slow delay guitar intro, Which is cool.

chinese is a great opening song for the album, i still think axl will open up with jungle at concerts. the song is fucking epic and classic, and gets the crowd going into a huge frenzy. chinese is a great rocker tho and i think should be played first song in the encore!  8)