Here Today... Gone To Hell!

...Well? I know it didn't do well at all, but I was just interested in knowing how many units it sold? How come they never put out a second single or even try to promote the album?

5, everyone in the band got it :hihi:

hold up buddy, pretty sure there were 3 singles;

She Builds Quick Machines"

Released: May 21, 2007

"The Last Fight"

Released: August 20, 2007

"Get Out the Door" - cant remeber if it was actually released

The album did average; i think it sold like 350, 000 i read somewhere? I do agree the promotion was fucking shocking; i didn't even hear about it on the radio; or hear any singles ONCE on the radio. 

I think there were so many tensions in the band, they probably were half like "fuck it". It's a pretty avg. album.

Right my mistake. There were two singles. :-[

It was a shit album, plain and simple. Get out the Door was easily the best song and mainly written by Dave, his baby i think, great song indeed. Other than that and one or two others its basically unlistenable.  Can't wait for new Loaded and CD or course, which after seeing the track list, i am nervious about for the first time.

I loved Contraband, but Libertad felt like a throw-away to me. I don't think I've listened to it in months.

They made a concert video for "Get out the door". I saw it online tho. I never saw any videos on tv and only heard SBQM on the radio. Still hear "Slither" once in a while and never the Libertad stuff. I still like the album. A couple clunkers but overall good.

SBQM had the worst video I think I've ever seen in my life.

I do like the album though. It took a shit load of listens to get into, but now, I can listen to Let It Roll, She Mine, Get out the Door, Last Fight, Grave Dancer, Messages is still one of the best fucking songs ever and they are still complete retards for not putting that on the album.

Is that that cowboy one? When Slash body slams someone in a bar brawl whislt smoking a fag and wearing a tophat?

I would have refused point blank to take part, what an embarresment. I think they all must have fell off the wagon that day!

Agree, SBQM was a terrible choice for a lead single - and that awful, awful video totally killed it.

However, I still like the album, Let it roll, Get out the door, Last fight, just 16 etc, great songs, not to mention Messages!

I lovethe album and listen to it on a regular basis, much more so than Contraband, but I love that album too : ok:

Get Out The Door was a single, there were 3 singles.  I heard them all on the radio, I heard SBQM a few weeks back.  Haven't heard TLF or GOTD in some time though.  I have Sirius and the rock station on there (Octane) pumped the album pretty good.  They had a VR weekend and members of the band came in and took over the weekend the album came out.  They promoted their tour and gave away concert tickets.  The DJ's spoke highly of the album.  They did their part for sure.  Maybe that just shows you not many people had Sirius at that time, OR the interest just wasn't there this time around.  I'm going with the latter.

at first i liked it but lets face it ...its shit and if u hadnt of known u would have thought it was slash

Good-album, I liked it, horrible choice for first single-I think messages would have been great on the album, and maybe as a first single for something different-I just think they were good tracks, but nothing outstanding

Humpf. That just goes to show. I didn't even know about it. I still think they just gave up on the album midway. They could have done better I guess, but the music is still better than most of the crap out there today....

I don't understand this statement.
anyhoo, I like the album. too bad it didn't get the promotion it deserved. anyway, from later statements, it doesn't seem the band was fully behind the album, and in that has probably contributed a lot to how it all ended up.

Yeah that was the one they had the fans vote on the website what their next (and last) single should be.  Get Out The Door won.

Just Sixteen and Gas And A Dollar Laugh were both cool songs.  And there were a few others that were ok.  But generally, it was distinctly average album, which I think I only listened to once or twice in full. 

Hopefully the next stuff and slash's solo stuff is a big improvement. 

The joke is, that they put the best song (dont drop that dime) as a secret track. I guess it wasnt "hip" enough. Messages was also good, but ofcourse left out.

When I first heard the album, I mostly felt betrayed by the band, after all they really hyped the shit out of it.

had totally forgotten gas and a dollar laugh, will give it a listen now

I don't think the problem with libertad had anything to do with the band, there were a few problems with it, three great songs: messages, gas and a dollar, drop the dime, weren't even proper songs on the album. Problem 2: It wasn't promoted at all and neither was their tour, i live in buffalo and i never heard any libertad songs on the radio and new many people who were fans, albeit not hardcore fans, of either GNR, VR, or STP and they didn't even know they came here when i talk to them about the concert with alice and chains. Problem 3: the song order is bland it kind of drones on but listening to the songs in a different order really spices up the album, and problem 4, it was mixed like garbage, there are cool things being done with vocal layers, guitar parts, bass lines, but the way its mixed i sounds like one blob of music and it totally ruins it, the other day i finally listened to it after partaking in some uh.... "medicinal herbs" and cranked it and it sounded amazing, that shouldn't be the way i have to listen to that album but if it was mixed better i wouldnt have to haha.

People keep saying the album wasn't promoted at all.  That's just not true.  There was PLENTY of promotion for the album.  They were on Kimmel, took over Sirius Octane for a weekend, on Stern.  Maybe those 3 things only appeal to people like me, but I certainly heard plenty from them leading to and after the albums release.  The lack of promotion was NOT the reason the album failed, all those that think that have to come to grips with that.  The interest just wasn't there this time around.  It was highly anticipated the first time around, but the interest just died down.  And if you continue to blame the lack of promotion, anything that is highly anticipated would get plenty of promotion.  If you think Libertad didn't get proper promotion, what does that tell you?

I'll tell you what happened.

The album lacked the firepower and hard rock that Contraband had. It had too much filler tracking.

Also, it was over 3 years from the time Contraband came out.

06 should of been the year... but they took too long, and lost firepower in the music.

Still a solid album, but Contraband will always be a classic to me.

I strongly feel that V.R. should reflect on their choices in marketing, promotion, etc. For example, 'She Mine' had a very modern sound to it; I feel the choices in singles were marketed towards a watered-down classic rocker demographic: i.e. those of us in our 30's who 'apparently' sit around and watch VH-1 all of the time. Hell, even 'Psycho Killer' could have been a single or used in a film. All in all I feel the record is good, the first song on the album, 'Let it Roll' is strong and up-beat. But it is as if there was a fear and reluctance to direct the album towards the youth as opposed to, say, the Matchbox-20 crowd. Fingers started pointing and the band dissolved. How Sad. I wish they followed their muse and didn't worry about who it reached; That the art was in the music, sort of a Stooges, 'Raw Power' direction instead. None the less, I love those guys and the music they've collectively made over the years.

Couldn't have said it better. Slash has never tread water with his guitar riffing more than he did on Libertad.
There are some good solos here and there, but riff wise, it might as well be some other by-the-numbers bland rock guitarist in there.

Contraband still kicks ass. It's the perfect mix of STP and GN'R.

The album was promoted, but not to the extent of Contraband. Also as someone already mentioned they should have put Messages on the album and released it as a single. That is a realing amazing song. I am sure that song would have gotten plenty of airplay. The album is good, but you can tell it was rushed. I really wished they would have stuck with Rick Rubin to see what they would have come up with. I am sure it would have been way better than what it is.

It is funny how Axl & Slash are on the two opposite extremes when working on material. Axl takes seventeen years to finish an album and Slash takes seventeen weeks to finish an album. Neither is good for the fans.

They should have included Surrender, good vid of it on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbCA4CAhiyE

surrender is from the contraband era. It was released as a b-side to the 7" fall to pieces single as well as on a bonus disc that was exclusive to best buy that included surrender, no more no more and negative creep.

it was a fucking terrible album...thats what happened to it...Gravedancer and Last Fight dont suck....but the rest of it does...boring, boring, boring, boring , boring, generic radio rock....worse than Nickelback, Hinder, and Daughtry combined....which pisses me off because 'Contraband" was awesome....and "Messages" might be the best VR song ever and they left it off of the album ???

It wasn't that bad lol.I quite liked the album athough it had a few week songs on there.

What the fuck is a libertad

But if you never liked STP, it sucks. I'd love to see what the Revolver boys can do when they find a lead singer with actual range.

one of the worst albums ever made

I like Libertad much more then Contraband, production was also a lot better.

what the fuck is a troll

one of the worst posts ever made

btw. why the hell do you come to "Ex-Gunners" section Jimbob? I dont think you've ever said anything "positive" here?

Yeah, and Libertad is a retarded name for their album. I remember them trying to put some idiotic twist to what it ment...

wow.  i guess you really told me.   ::)

I am a huge Izzy Stradlin fan, own and love a lot of his solo albums.    I think Paul Tobias is one of the most underrated guys ever to play in GnR.   Buckethead is probably the most technically gifted guy to ever be in the band.     I have positive things to say about ex-gunners.  And Robin Finck is my favorite guitar player ever and its quite possible we will be using this section to talk about him as well in the near future.. 

But lets be real.  This is a Guns N' Roses site, so if someone wants to post that Libertad is a horrible album, I don't see a problem.    People are here on this site for Chinese Democracy.. if they want VR, they have their own fansites as they are their own band.

I should've been more accurate and ask you why you come to VR section.

Nothing wrong with criticism, but you're just trolling this section.

The problem with both Contraband and Libertad to me is that I was expecting VR to be a GNR like band, but Scott managed to influence the other guys so that VR albums were much more close to STP sound than to GNR sound.

Thank god that Scott is back to STP, that's his place, and let's hope they can find a nice singer!

Listened to the album some on the way home.  Some really great songs and great playing on the album.  You can hear all the intruments clearly and and Duff's Bass sounds great.  I think lack of promotion and poor single choice killed the album.  Last Fight was a Cool tune.  The Can't Get You Out of My Head was smoking!

What people don't realize with VR also is, They'd slap that album together in like a couple months. Not really taking time to throw away the duds and really refine everything to be great.

They settled for good and thats why a lot of people don't like it.

Solid songs on there

I still sing the hell out of Let It Roll

Yet the production/mix is better than that of CD because I can hear Duff, Dave, Matt, Slash very clearly... And I like that.  I like being able to hear the bass guitar.

I think VR just couldn't reach that certain level of heavy rock n' roll that people wanted out of SLash, Duff and Matt, due to Scott's limitations and vocal range. As I have stated before, I'm not dumping on Scott, he's one of my favorite singers, even way before VR, but he is more melodically inclined and not so much raw energy. Contraband fared well as it had certain pop elements to it, but also a heavy rock n' roll atmosphere thanks to the material being wirtten pre-Scott, but it's obvious the writing on Libertad was done in a way to fit Scott's voice and what he could do best. Scott can't sing rock n' roll songs like Perfect Crime or My Michelle, his voice would be done after two minutes of either of those songs. And that, is my theory on why Libertad didn't do well...That and the fact that it sucked big fucking donkey dick.  :o