Title: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Spirit on October 16, 2008, 03:03:24 AM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&type=product&id=1925065 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&type=product&id=1925065)
(http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/musicmoviegame/pdpimages/9111016.gif) 01 Chinese Democracy 02 Shackler's Revenge 03 Better 04 Street Of Dreams 05 If The World 06 There Was A Time 07 Catcher In The Rye 08 Scraped 09 Riad N' The Bedouins 10 Sorry 11 I.R.S. 12 Madagascar 13 This I Love 14 Prostitute Title: Re: Tracklist!!! Post by: tim_m on October 16, 2008, 03:05:37 AM Hell yeah! Maybe this should be in the existing thread though?
Title: Re: Tracklist!!! Post by: xj220 on October 16, 2008, 03:07:58 AM NO FUCKING WAY! I'm definitely starting to believe now. That's awesome, I can't wait.
Title: Re: Tracklist!!! Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 03:08:38 AM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067) 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Scraped 3. Shackler's Revenge 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. Better 7. This I Love 8. There Was A Time 9. Riad N' The Bedovins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Catcher 13. Madagascar 14. Prostitute riad n' the bedovins (sic!) and street of dreams (=the blues?)... strange. no atlas shrugged? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Spirit on October 16, 2008, 03:10:14 AM Some comments.
I'm really excited for "Catcher In The Rye" to be there. "Street Of Dreams" is "The Blues" I guess? 4 songs we haven't heard before. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tim_m on October 16, 2008, 03:12:03 AM Some comments. I'm really excited for "Catcher In The Rye" to be there. "Street Of Dreams" is "The Blues" I guess? Or maybe the blues just won't be on this album and thats a song we never heard before. I hope it is formerly the blues though i really like that song and would be bummed to have to wait to hear its official release. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: greekmule on October 16, 2008, 03:20:33 AM Quote I'm really excited for "Catcher In The Rye" to be there. thank god Catcher is on the album!!! i was so worried they would save it for future releases! i am really happy now :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 03:22:58 AM I really hope Street of Dreams isn't the blues. Guns have always refered to it as The Blues. Odd.
Thats for cover B. Street of Dreams may be an old name for it so maybe cover Bcould be a bemo cd like Metallica did with Death magnetic? Doubt it but I hope. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SLCPUNK on October 16, 2008, 03:24:04 AM "Bedovins "
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 03:27:25 AM Catcher (in the rye)!
TWAT! Prostitute (Message for you)! :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ak1nney on October 16, 2008, 03:28:06 AM I knew there was a reason I was up late on here...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Pine Barrens on October 16, 2008, 03:28:37 AM I can't see the tracklist on the provided BestBuy url... Is it the source?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 03:28:48 AM Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tim_m on October 16, 2008, 03:29:04 AM Isn't it supposed to be bedouins or something like that? I wonder who will get chewed out for that typo. :hihi:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Spirit on October 16, 2008, 03:30:41 AM I can't see the tracklist on the provided BestBuy url... Is it the source? Try this one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~ccat02001%23%230%23%235cvq~~nf300%7C%7C436f6d696e6720536f6f6e&list=y&nrp=15&sc=musicSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=cat02001 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~ccat02001%23%230%23%235cvq~~nf300%7C%7C436f6d696e6720536f6f6e&list=y&nrp=15&sc=musicSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=cat02001) It's on the top two albums. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 03:30:53 AM I dont want to sound like an idiot, but Jarmo can you confirm this to be a true tracklist? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SLCPUNK on October 16, 2008, 03:31:09 AM I just found the misspelling odd... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: greekmule on October 16, 2008, 03:33:04 AM Quote Catcher (in the rye)! TWAT! Prostitute (Message for you)! :beer: My fellow gunner i agree 1000% with you. these are some really BIG guns. This tracklist made my fucking day! : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 03:33:55 AM I just found the misspelling odd... Me too. I thought Riad had a H in there somewhere? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2008, 03:41:22 AM I wonder whats become of the song "Silkworms"
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 03:46:39 AM I wonder whats become of the song "Silkworms" I think that might come out after the first album Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 03:46:55 AM i was really looking forward to hearing atlas shrugged. and i thought that riad was only a try out track. spelling errors and some strange song titels here (like "street of dreams" and only "catcher" instead of catcher in the rye). any chance that some hacker did this?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gnrjanus on October 16, 2008, 03:53:05 AM Like said by a user on Cd.com
I think it's a tease. and this isn't just a tracklist... I think we might be getting more tracklist..... like differend versions. I wanna believe Street of dreams is the blues but Axl has always and even in 06-07 called the blues the blues.. But like others have said from camp... These are not the final versions. so it just may be all these sogns are very differend then we know them as of today... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 03:56:34 AM yeh, mabye there will be different songs on the other versions that will be released along side it,
and they will all be linked in a similar way to each other.. who knows what axls plan is, lets just hope we see something on the gnr site soon. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: iloozion on October 16, 2008, 03:57:21 AM wow! it's deffinately happening! and with a few different covers
can anyone get a bigger version of this cover from the site? (http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/musicmoviegame/pdpimages/9111016.gif) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2008, 03:57:55 AM I can't wait to just sit down and play this album all the way through.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 16, 2008, 04:02:57 AM wow! it's deffinately happening! and with a few different covers can anyone get a bigger version of this cover from the site? (http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/musicmoviegame/pdpimages/9111016.gif) Sorry, this was the best I could do. :-\ (http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5837/9111016ek8.th.gif) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 04:05:50 AM I dont want to sound like an idiot, but Jarmo can you confirm this to be a true tracklist? Why would he have to? Best Buy didn't pull these titles out of their ass. CATCHER IN THE RYE-HELL FUCKING YEAH!!!!!!! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: w.axl.rose on October 16, 2008, 04:06:07 AM Garry asked me to post it because he couldn't upload the picture right.
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5837/9111016ek8.gif) -yes its a joke. i dont think there is a high res picture yet Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 04:09:36 AM thats really crap quality man
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 04:15:52 AM this is great we got to see the real album cover art and now the real tracklist ;D
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2008, 04:18:52 AM this is great we got to see the real album cover art and now the real tracklist ;D an excellent tracklist at that. this is a GREAT fucking time to be a GnR fan. Maybe the best ever! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 04:20:39 AM this is great we got to see the real album cover art and now the real tracklist ;D an excellent tracklist at that. this is a GREAT fucking time to be a GnR fan. Maybe the best ever! ;D Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 04:21:20 AM I hope theres no baby in that basket on the bike ;) :rofl:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 04:23:26 AM thats really crap quality man he got me laughing.. which was the point : ok: mysteron can u confirm or deny that street of dreams is indeed the blues? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 04:26:05 AM thats really crap quality man he got me laughing.. which was the point : ok: mysteron can u confirm or deny that street of dreams is indeed the blues? it is the blues listing to the blues leak or live version and you will hear the street of dreams in it ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 16, 2008, 04:27:02 AM I hope theres no baby in that basket on the bike ;) :rofl: HAHA! Child abandonment! :rofl: No. ::) thats really crap quality man he got me laughing.. which was the point : ok: mysteron can u confirm or deny that street of dreams is indeed the blues? it is the blues listing to the blues leak or live version and you will hear the street of dreams in it ;) Thomas, say that again? ??? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Pine Barrens on October 16, 2008, 04:29:55 AM I can't see the tracklist on the provided BestBuy url... Is it the source? Try this one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~ccat02001%23%230%23%235cvq~~nf300%7C%7C436f6d696e6720536f6f6e&list=y&nrp=15&sc=musicSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=cat02001 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~ccat02001%23%230%23%235cvq~~nf300%7C%7C436f6d696e6720536f6f6e&list=y&nrp=15&sc=musicSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=cat02001) It's on the top two albums. Ah, I see it now. Good find! I wonder if album cover B will be a totally different Chinese Democracy. Two different albums, same name but totally different covers and tracklists. Kinda like UYI 1 and 2 but without the numeric distinction...Would be a neat idea. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 04:30:09 AM I hope theres no baby in that basket on the bike ;) :rofl: HAHA! Child abandonment! :rofl: No. ::) thats really crap quality man he got me laughing.. which was the point : ok: mysteron can u confirm or deny that street of dreams is indeed the blues? it is the blues listing to the blues leak or live version and you will hear the street of dreams in it ;) Thomas, say that again? ??? listing to the blues and you will hear street of dreams in the song put 2 and 2 together my friend street of dreams = the blues ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 04:31:00 AM he means that in "the blues" there's a line axl singing that is
I know its called the street of dreams But thats not stardust on my feet It leaves a taste that's bittersweet that's called the blues Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 04:32:43 AM he means that in "the blues" there's a line axl singing that is I know its called the street of dreams But thats not stardust on my feet It leaves a taste that's bittersweet that's called the blues thank you cheapjon well case closed :hihi: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CD on October 16, 2008, 04:43:12 AM I'm starting to think there will be two different albums : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2008, 04:46:11 AM I'm starting to think there will be two different albums : ok: nah I don't think so, different covers. Jarmo said one album. I do believe there is at least another album coming out in due time. Thats just my opinion based on comments Axl has made in the past and Brain confirmed he recorded at least 30 songs. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 04:46:28 AM I'm starting to think there will be two different albums : ok: you mean like uyi1 and 2 could be Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 04:47:33 AM I'm starting to think there will be two different albums : ok: Yeah I'm kind of leaning that way but im also open to the Fucking with us senario. lol :hihi: :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CD on October 16, 2008, 04:53:29 AM I'm starting to think there will be two different albums : ok: Yeah I'm kind of leaning that way but im also open to the Fucking with us senario. lol :hihi: :peace: This is also quiet possible...axl having some fun with the forums..... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 04:56:58 AM I'm starting to think there will be two different albums : ok: Yeah I'm kind of leaning that way but im also open to the Fucking with us senario. lol :hihi: :peace: This is also quiet possible...axl having some fun with the forums..... Could it possible that some dick at BB is doing it, if we are being fucked with? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: domingo on October 16, 2008, 05:05:36 AM and thanks god there is no "Oh my god"!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 05:10:38 AM and thanks god there is no "Oh my god"!!!!!!! And no Silkworms :hihi: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kupirock on October 16, 2008, 05:12:11 AM Thank god for Catcher, but where are Thyme, Seven, Leave Me Alone, Atlas Shrugged etc ???
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CD on October 16, 2008, 05:13:28 AM Did I miss something was there not 3 covers yesterday?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: John Galt on October 16, 2008, 05:24:29 AM 4 covers now - 2 for CD's and 2 for Vinyl - one in each format of Cover A and Cover B, whatever that means....
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 05:25:58 AM Concerning "street of dreams", remember that "the garden" is one song, "garden of eden" is another.
So maybe it's "the blues", maybe not. And what about "Lies They Tell"?? It's not there!! two albuns?? bonus CD?? Or only for the next record? Answers in few hours (days) I guess. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 16, 2008, 05:29:08 AM Concerning "street of dreams", remember that "the garden" is one song, "garden of eden" is another. So maybe it's "the blues", maybe not. And what about "Lies They Tell"?? It's not there!! Lies They Tell = Scraped. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 05:31:28 AM The more I look at this tracklist the more suss I am. I dunno, maybe its just so awesome that I cant think straight, maybe all the Spelling mistakes (might not be spelling mistakes) I dont know. Im feeling very weird about it.
:peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kollemann on October 16, 2008, 05:33:02 AM I think street of dreams is The Blues....
No oh my god and silkworms : ok: :hihi: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 16, 2008, 05:35:23 AM I think a re-recorded version of Oh My God would be kick ass,
it has some of my favourite lyrics by axl in that song.. although his voice in it is average at best. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 16, 2008, 05:37:01 AM I dunno about the "spelling mistakes" , but cover A cd seems to have the same tracklist as cover B vinyl, which means that if there are different bonus tracks on each cd, they don't know of it or won't tell...
Damn we need some news fast! :confused: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 05:37:48 AM I think street of dreams is The Blues.... No oh my god and silkworms : ok: :hihi: I don't know why everyone bags on Silkworms so much. I really dig that song. Is anyone else a bit skeptical about this tracklist? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Butch Français on October 16, 2008, 05:42:53 AM I think street of dreams is The Blues.... No oh my god and silkworms : ok: :hihi: I don't know why everyone bags on Silkworms so much. I really dig that song. Is anyone else a bit skeptical about this tracklist? :peace: I don't like Silkworms, but I am definately sceptical about the tracklist as well! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 05:45:04 AM I think street of dreams is The Blues.... No oh my god and silkworms : ok: :hihi: I don't know why everyone bags on Silkworms so much. I really dig that song. Is anyone else a bit skeptical about this tracklist? :peace: I don't like Silkworms, but I am definately sceptical about the tracklist as well! I hope Im wrong but something doesn't feel right. I think I might just be tired though. LOl. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: imsorry on October 16, 2008, 05:49:54 AM Im pretty happy it will finally come out to make any complain. : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: domingo on October 16, 2008, 05:53:48 AM maybe we will have Silkworms as a b-side...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Butch Français on October 16, 2008, 06:04:57 AM I think street of dreams is The Blues.... No oh my god and silkworms : ok: :hihi: I don't know why everyone bags on Silkworms so much. I really dig that song. Is anyone else a bit skeptical about this tracklist? :peace: I don't like Silkworms, but I am definately sceptical about the tracklist as well! I hope Im wrong but something doesn't feel right. I think I might just be tired though. LOl. :peace: was hoping for more unheard tracks, so because of that I hope the listing is bogus. but if it's the correct one, Im definately happy enough! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 06:06:11 AM I think a re-recorded version of Oh My God would be kick ass, it has some of my favourite lyrics by axl in that song.. although his voice in it is average at best. The lyrics and voice are great but the melody itself doesn't hold up to GNR standard. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lucs on October 16, 2008, 06:44:54 AM There's the tracklist on every version of Chinese Democracy on BestBuy.com now !
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 06:48:47 AM I think street of dreams is The Blues.... No oh my god and silkworms : ok: :hihi: I don't know why everyone bags on Silkworms so much. I really dig that song. Is anyone else a bit skeptical about this tracklist? :peace: I don't like Silkworms, but I am definately sceptical about the tracklist as well! I hope Im wrong but something doesn't feel right. I think I might just be tired though. LOl. :peace: was hoping for more unheard tracks, so because of that I hope the listing is bogus. but if it's the correct one, Im definately happy enough! I'm not that surprised to see alot of songs we've heard before. I was kind of expecting it. Again about Street of Dreams, even on the Set list during the Ausralian tour it was down as BLUES. It wouldn't surprise me either way but still not too sure. I know it's early in the morning in the states but its getting late here and I'm getting keen on bed so could someone please wake the fuck up a tell us something. :hihi: :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Continental Drift on October 16, 2008, 06:52:14 AM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067) 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Scraped 3. Shackler's Revenge 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. Better 7. This I Love 8. There Was A Time 9. Riad N' The Bedovins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Catcher 13. Madagascar 14. Prostitute Any of you "old timers" remember an alleged Axl quote (reported in a Rolling Stone rumor section I believe) from the late 90's where he said that he wanted the next Guns album (no title at that point) to be made up of entirely "chart worthy singles" or some such thing (The quote may have been from Moby or Youth actually now that I think about it)? Based on the songs we have heard of on this list already (bolded)... all of which I think have solid chart potential... could that be where we're headed here? Especially if you take into consideration: (1) how Bach was raving about "Sorry"; (2) "Street of Dreams" could be "The Blues"; and (3) "This I Love" has long been rumored as a next "chapter" of the trilogy or whatever... That really only leaves "Scrapped" as a complete stylistic unknown as far as I know... I honestly think Uncle Axl could be making a run at putting out an album where EVERY TRACK charts at some level or another. The ultimate fuck you to the critics and haters. Kind of a Guns N' Roses Achtung Baby of sorts. Incredible. :drool: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 06:52:59 AM There's the tracklist on every version of Chinese Democracy on BestBuy.com now ! Yet there is still no tracklist for AFD limited edition :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 06:55:19 AM What a ting to wake up to!!! Incredible! AWESOME!!! : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kupirock on October 16, 2008, 06:56:27 AM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067) 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Scraped 3. Shackler's Revenge 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. Better 7. This I Love 8. There Was A Time 9. Riad N' The Bedovins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Catcher 13. Madagascar 14. Prostitute Any of you "old timers" remember an alleged Axl quote (reported in a Rolling Stone rumor section I believe) from the late 90's where he said that he wanted the next Guns album (no title at that point) to be made up of entirely "chart worthy singles" or some such thing (The quote may have been from Moby or Youth actually now that I think about it)? Based on the songs we have heard of on this list already (bolded)... all of which I think have solid chart potential... could that be where we're headed here? Especially if you take into consideration: (1) how Bach was raving about "Sorry"; (2) "Street of Dreams" could be "The Blues"; and (3) "This I Love" has long been rumored as a next "chapter" of the trilogy or whatever... That really only leaves "Scrapped" as a complete unknown as far as I know... I honestly think Uncle Axl could be making a run at putting out an album where EVERY TRACK charts at some level or another. The ultimate fuck you to the critics and haters. Kind of Guns N' Roses Achtung Baby of sorts. Incredible. :drool: You have heard prostitute? is it confirmed that leaked song # 2 is prostitute? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 06:58:49 AM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067) 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Scraped 3. Shackler's Revenge 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. Better 7. This I Love 8. There Was A Time 9. Riad N' The Bedovins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Catcher 13. Madagascar 14. Prostitute Any of you "old timers" remember an alleged Axl quote (reported in a Rolling Stone rumor section I believe) from the late 90's where he said that he wanted the next Guns album (no title at that point) to be made up of entirely "chart worthy singles" or some such thing (The quote may have been from Moby or Youth actually now that I think about it)? Based on the songs we have heard of on this list already (bolded)... all of which I think have solid chart potential... could that be where we're headed here? Especially if you take into consideration: (1) how Bach was raving about "Sorry"; (2) "Street of Dreams" could be "The Blues"; and (3) "This I Love" has long been rumored as a next "chapter" of the trilogy or whatever... That really only leaves "Scrapped" as a complete unknown as far as I know... I honestly think Uncle Axl could be making a run at putting out an album where EVERY TRACK charts at some level or another. The ultimate fuck you to the critics and haters. Kind of Guns N' Roses Achtung Baby of sorts. Incredible. :drool: You have heard prostitute? is it confirmed that leaked song # 2 is prostitute? Who confirmed that? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Continental Drift on October 16, 2008, 07:02:07 AM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067) 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Scraped 3. Shackler's Revenge 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. Better 7. This I Love 8. There Was A Time 9. Riad N' The Bedovins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Catcher 13. Madagascar 14. Prostitute Any of you "old timers" remember an alleged Axl quote (reported in a Rolling Stone rumor section I believe) from the late 90's where he said that he wanted the next Guns album (no title at that point) to be made up of entirely "chart worthy singles" or some such thing (The quote may have been from Moby or Youth actually now that I think about it)? Based on the songs we have heard of on this list already (bolded)... all of which I think have solid chart potential... could that be where we're headed here? Especially if you take into consideration: (1) how Bach was raving about "Sorry"; (2) "Street of Dreams" could be "The Blues"; and (3) "This I Love" has long been rumored as a next "chapter" of the trilogy or whatever... That really only leaves "Scrapped" as a complete unknown as far as I know... I honestly think Uncle Axl could be making a run at putting out an album where EVERY TRACK charts at some level or another. The ultimate fuck you to the critics and haters. Kind of Guns N' Roses Achtung Baby of sorts. Incredible. :drool: You have heard prostitute? is it confirmed that leaked song # 2 is prostitute? No. Sorry guys. Guessing that "leaked song #2" was Prostitute at this point. Sorry for the false alarm.: ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: m_rated96 on October 16, 2008, 07:07:50 AM TBH i rkn street of dreams is the blues; there's no way the blues would be cut, and also "the blues" is a pretty gay name, esp. for mainstream people; not epic or meaningful enough..
Also, the fact that "street of dreams" is included in the tracklist has convinced me that thats the real tracklist; i mean cmon, if you were a BB employee/hacker, changing the blues' name to "street of dreams" is a pretty obscure random thing to do. As is shortening Catcher in the Rye to catcher; totally reads like an album tracklist. I'm convinced. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 16, 2008, 07:10:20 AM This is awesome....great tracklist....I can't wait to hear the final verison of these songs....I personally do hope "Street of Dreams" is "The Blues" because it is one of my favorite songs that GNR ever did...having said that I am really excited that "Rhiad" is on the album because for a long time now I thought that it wasnt going to be...I can't wait!!!!!!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Grouse on October 16, 2008, 07:11:13 AM Fuck yeah! Catcher is on there!, can't wait to hear that one in cd quality :drool:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 16, 2008, 07:14:58 AM More good news which has come to us.
Kind of expecting that we've already heard a majority of the songs on the album, but they will sound much better, trust me. There are going to be BIG differences between whatever live versions and incomplete demos/rough mixes are out there and the final versions on the album. And we get two or three newer songs, not to mention "Catcher in the Rye", that is fuckin amazing. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 07:17:00 AM Fuck yeah! Catcher is on there!, can't wait to hear that one in cd quality :drool: I really really really hope Brian may's parts are still on there. I love that song! :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: m_rated96 on October 16, 2008, 07:20:03 AM We can assume that brian's parts MAY be on there
..... Shut up it's funny :rant: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 16, 2008, 07:23:12 AM We can assume that brian's parts MAY be on there ..... Shut up it's funny :rant: Don't worry I actually did laugh when I saw that. :rofl: :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ClintroN on October 16, 2008, 07:40:35 AM gr8 stuff!!!
excellent, just fk'n excellent!! :beer: :beer: :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: olschoolboro on October 16, 2008, 07:41:37 AM I can't believe this is really happening : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: waxlrick on October 16, 2008, 08:04:16 AM I wonder if the new song with the lyrics "fortune and fame, if my intentions" e.t.c is on there?
What is the likely title of this? W.Axl.Rick. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on October 16, 2008, 08:09:46 AM Good news to wake up to this AM. : ok:
Looks like this may actually be released! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wadey on October 16, 2008, 08:10:17 AM Tracklist sounds cool to me
i do hope "street of dreams" is the blues though............i fucking love that song, be a great shame not to have it on there Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 08:18:17 AM everyone saying stuff like "where is this and that song" well there's a big chance this and that song will be on the following records
mysteron, was this the kind of announcement that maybe were going to happen today? but from the website? will we get any kind of announcement today from god? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 08:23:19 AM Yeah, i Think "Street of Dreams" is a better title for "The Blues"
Isnt there lots of songs by other artists called the blues? Elton John? Anyway, the tracklist looks so amazing.. This i Love! Damn, we are going to hear that song soon. That IS CRACY! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dont Try Me on October 16, 2008, 08:29:09 AM I'm very excited! :beer:
:love: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Brundle25 on October 16, 2008, 08:32:08 AM Is 'This I love' the one with the woman who plays the Harp?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 08:34:01 AM Yeah, i Think "Street of Dreams" is a better title for "The Blues" Isnt there lots of songs by other artists called the blues? Elton John? Anyway, the tracklist looks so amazing.. This i Love! Damn, we are going to hear that song soon. That IS CRACY! agree on all accounts.. (at least elton john has a song called "I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues") and about this i love holy fuck yeah! i was thinking about that on my ride home from school on the bus, "damn that song and dylan still means so much to him" :) it's most likely a fuckin fantastic song too :smoking: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 08:34:51 AM Is 'This I love' the one with the woman who plays the Harp? yeah.. Patti Hood have done some harp on that song.. http://www.pattihood.com/ Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 08:36:49 AM Yeah, i Think "Street of Dreams" is a better title for "The Blues" Isnt there lots of songs by other artists called the blues? Elton John? Anyway, the tracklist looks so amazing.. This i Love! Damn, we are going to hear that song soon. That IS CRACY! agree on all accounts.. (at least elton john has a song called "I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues") and about this i love holy fuck yeah! i was thinking about that on my ride home from school on the bus, "damn that song and dylan still means so much to him" :) it's most likely a fuckin fantastic song too :smoking: Yeah, i wonder if its a hard song, or a calm one.. By the Title it seams to be a slow rocker, but i think i read somewhere it was pretty hard? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkFairy on October 16, 2008, 08:37:45 AM I hate myself for having heard the leaks of some of these songs :no: I be stoopid.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 08:41:05 AM I wonder if the new song with the lyrics "fortune and fame, if my intentions" e.t.c is on there? What is the likely title of this? W.Axl.Rick. I call the song "Message for you" and I hear the word "prostitute" in the same song. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 08:41:38 AM i think it's "pianobased" song.. some producer or engineer said that i think?
and somewhere didn't axl say that it was the heaviest song he ever wrote? (but with heavy it means it took a lot out of him, emotionally and shit i think) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 16, 2008, 08:51:08 AM I hate myself for having heard the leaks of some of these songs :no: I be stoopid. Yeah, I'm a little disappointed since I basically already own this album, and have for a long time. Of course it should sound much better. Can't wait to hear Street of Dreams and Catcher studio versions. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 08:53:22 AM only 4 new songs....... :(
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on October 16, 2008, 08:54:50 AM I hate myself for having heard the leaks of some of these songs :no: I be stoopid. Yeah, I'm a little disappointed since I basically already own this album, and have for a long time. Of course it should sound much better. Can't wait to hear Street of Dreams and Catcher studio versions. The versions that are out there could be pretty different than the finished song. Also, other than us, no one has heard any version of these songs yet. ( except Shackler's & If the world) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 08:55:06 AM I can see Catcher in the Rye being shortened to Catcher, as there was much talk over the years about how Salinger would never allow that title to be used. Maybe Axl fought it for 9 years and then gave in. It's also plausible for The Blues to be called Street of Dreams. Both make sense. I don't think I'm ready to give this 100% authenitcation yet though.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Chuzeville on October 16, 2008, 08:56:59 AM only 4 new songs....... :( Well nobody made us listen to these songs when they leaked... On other hand I'm almost relieved to know beforehand that the album is indeed going to be something special. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 08:57:42 AM for fuck sake people what did you think when you downloaded songs?
"hey if i download this then axl will have to put other songs on the record.. i believe that because i'm so stupid" that's pretty much what you're saying fuck be happy, i know i am even if i've listened to the songs which i thought back then were fantastic and they still are and listening to the final versions and see what happens with everything will make me fkn proud of the band.. you don't already own this record if you have some songs on your computer, you don't own what you steal Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on October 16, 2008, 09:00:23 AM I'm very pleased to see Catcher on there. Really wish we would have gotten the official annoucement before all this information came out. Hopefully we get it today!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bucketofguns on October 16, 2008, 09:17:54 AM This refutes the rumor that the different album covers will have different bonus songs in them.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 09:21:40 AM This refutes the rumor that the different album covers will have different bonus songs in them. It wasn't even a rumour. It was just some people who believed so. ::) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axljungle on October 16, 2008, 09:23:01 AM It's a very good tracklist. It's normal there are the leaks, Axl don't tell us, "download it now!"
Mr. Rose won't change his plans because gnr fans download the leaks, it's our problem, we can choose to download it or not. I like this tracklist, : ok: :drool: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 16, 2008, 09:23:54 AM for fuck sake people what did you think when you downloaded songs? "hey if i download this then axl will have to put other songs on the record.. i believe that because i'm so stupid" that's pretty much what you're saying fuck be happy, i know i am even if i've listened to the songs which i thought back then were fantastic and they still are and listening to the final versions and see what happens with everything will make me fkn proud of the band.. you don't already own this record if you have some songs on your computer, you don't own what you steal Axl doesn't have to do anything. I said I'm a bit disappointed since I have heard most of it. I realize that's my fault, but I have a right to be disappointed and don't need you to tell me to shut up and be happy. I stole the songs and now I own them. I'm still very excited about hearing the versions we are meant to hear. I would just like the CD to have more songs on there because I'm a greedy bastard! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 16, 2008, 09:24:37 AM Catcher in the Rye!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 16, 2008, 09:27:46 AM Very cool to see catcher on there if the list is legit. I thought I had read it wouldn't make the cut. One of my favorites by the new band.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: oneway23 on October 16, 2008, 09:34:49 AM This refutes the rumor that the different album covers will have different bonus songs in them. Version C is not yet listed, I think. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: LittleFly on October 16, 2008, 09:36:01 AM I can't wait to hear Rhiad!! It's one of my absolute favorites. This is freaking amazing : ok:
;D Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 09:43:41 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !:
SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SINSHINE on October 16, 2008, 09:45:22 AM At first glance...it just doesn't seem correct to me. I don't know...between mispellings, possible title changes (Street of Dreams = The Blues?) and (Catcher = Catcher in the Rye?)...if it wasn't posted on Best Buy.com I would have thought this was just another bogus tracklisting. I guess the fact that it's on BB.com makes it semi-official...unless there's some kind of ruse in order to detract leakers and DLMFs.
I don't know about this tracklisting. I wish someone would confirm or deny this. C'Mon GN'R...time to speak up and show us your goods! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 09:46:39 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: So did you blame the band when UYI's came out and they had "Don't Cry", "KOHD", and "Back off Bitch", plus another cover "LALD". I bet you were so pissed about that?SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 09:47:41 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: So did you blame the band when UYI's came out and they had "Don't Cry", "KOHD", and "Back off Bitch", plus another cover "LALD". I bet you were so pissed about that?SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Rocksteady on October 16, 2008, 09:49:03 AM I'm freaking happy over Catcher, I hope that "Street of Dreams" is The Blues though...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 09:49:19 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: So did you blame the band when UYI's came out and they had "Don't Cry", "KOHD", and "Back off Bitch", plus another cover "LALD". I bet you were so pissed about that?SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P But seriously, the songs GNR played prior to releasing UYI's did not amount to half of the material found on the albums. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 09:53:40 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: So did you blame the band when UYI's came out and they had "Don't Cry", "KOHD", and "Back off Bitch", plus another cover "LALD". I bet you were so pissed about that?SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P But seriously, the songs GNR played prior to releasing UYI's did not amount to half of the material found on the albums. I will still buy it though. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 16, 2008, 09:54:32 AM I would like to say again that there will be 3 different version of the artwork, but I don't think the songs will change any...
just 3 covers will change. love it! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Chuzeville on October 16, 2008, 09:54:47 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P The man has a point. :hihi: I gotta admit it's pretty weird to think it's been over 6 years since we heard Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy... and only now they find their way on a CD. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 09:55:50 AM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: So did you blame the band when UYI's came out and they had "Don't Cry", "KOHD", and "Back off Bitch", plus another cover "LALD". I bet you were so pissed about that?SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P But seriously, the songs GNR played prior to releasing UYI's did not amount to half of the material found on the albums. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: russtcb on October 16, 2008, 09:56:10 AM You should go back and check some setlists from before 09/91.
Songs I can think of off the top of my head that were played well before UYI came out were: Right Next Door To Hell Perfect Crime Estranged November Rain Pretty Tied Up Live And Let Die Don't Cry Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War Bad Obssesion Back Off Bitch You Could Be Mine 14 Years That's 13 out of 30. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 09:58:34 AM The man has a point. :hihi: I gotta admit it's pretty weird to think it's been over 6 years since we heard Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy... and only now they find their way on a CD. he has a point but he would have whined if they didn't play new songs live back on the old tours.. btw this i love is from the very early 90's and i love that it'll finally see the light of day, it's not weird Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 09:59:37 AM You should go back and check some setlists from before 09/91. Thanks, I completely forgot that they played a good portion of UYI's before the album actually came out. I was just going from their early days prior to AFD. I knew the "7 years" argument would pop up, at least 3 songs from those albums were played 5 years before they came out. Then 10 more prior to the album's release. To think everyone was screaming for the band to play more new songs when they were touring. God forbid, some people would have no reason to buy the album anymore the way they are reacting.Songs I can think of off the top of my head that were played well before UYI came out were: Right Next Door To Hell Perfect Crime Estranged November Rain Pretty Tied Up Live And Let Die Don't Cry Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War Bad Obssesion Back Off Bitch You Could Be Mine 14 Years That's 13 out of 30. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: norway on October 16, 2008, 09:59:52 AM The plan was to release another album (and a 3rd) some time after CD too, can always wait for that :hihi: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Silverchair on October 16, 2008, 10:07:04 AM I think this is just a taste...
there is going to be atleast another record... possibly 2. Axl didn't spend 14 years working on 14 songs. that's ridiculous. just because these are the supposed 14 to hit the tracklist on this INITIAL release... doesn't mean that's where it ends. Unheard songs??? yeah... there's over 30 that Brain just confirmed... so will there be more?? yes!!! PATIENCE guys... all we need is a little PATIENCE!!!! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 10:12:17 AM You should go back and check some setlists from before 09/91. Thanks, I completely forgot that they played a good portion of UYI's before the album actually came out. I was just going from their early days prior to AFD. I knew the "7 years" argument would pop up, at least 3 songs from those albums were played 5 years before they came out. Then 10 more prior to the album's release. To think everyone was screaming for the band to play more new songs when they were touring. God forbid, some people would have no reason to buy the album anymore the way they are reacting.Songs I can think of off the top of my head that were played well before UYI came out were: Right Next Door To Hell Perfect Crime Estranged November Rain Pretty Tied Up Live And Let Die Don't Cry Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War Bad Obssesion Back Off Bitch You Could Be Mine 14 Years That's 13 out of 30. well, the times have changed and I wouldn't say it's fair to compare both releases. So I stand by what I say, people are blaming the illegal downloads for the fact we have heard most of the songs, I say NEY ! it's only 2 out of 14 ! and by the way I'll buy the album to have perfect quality songs, not lossless demos and shit ! and as norway says... we can learn a lesson and not download anything (especially live stuff ;) ) while awaiting for the next two albums Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 16, 2008, 10:20:50 AM holy shit. I am so pumped to hear prostitute and sorry and a studio catcher!
did that RS article say that scraped was a rocker? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 10:20:59 AM You should go back and check some setlists from before 09/91. Thanks, I completely forgot that they played a good portion of UYI's before the album actually came out. I was just going from their early days prior to AFD. I knew the "7 years" argument would pop up, at least 3 songs from those albums were played 5 years before they came out. Then 10 more prior to the album's release. To think everyone was screaming for the band to play more new songs when they were touring. God forbid, some people would have no reason to buy the album anymore the way they are reacting.Songs I can think of off the top of my head that were played well before UYI came out were: Right Next Door To Hell Perfect Crime Estranged November Rain Pretty Tied Up Live And Let Die Don't Cry Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War Bad Obssesion Back Off Bitch You Could Be Mine 14 Years That's 13 out of 30. well, the times have changed and I wouldn't say it's fair to compare both releases. So I stand by what I say, people are blaming the illegal downloads for the fact we have heard most of the songs, I say NEY ! it's only 2 out of 14 ! and by the way I'll buy the album to have perfect quality songs, not lossless demos and shit ! and as norway says... we can learn a lesson and not download anything (especially live stuff ;) ) while awaiting for the next two albums Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: adman2374 on October 16, 2008, 10:23:52 AM You should go back and check some setlists from before 09/91. Songs I can think of off the top of my head that were played well before UYI came out were: Right Next Door To Hell Perfect Crime Estranged November Rain Pretty Tied Up Live And Let Die Don't Cry Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War Bad Obssesion Back Off Bitch You Could Be Mine 14 Years That's 13 out of 30. add "dead horse" and "yesterdays" to that list... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: michaelvincent on October 16, 2008, 10:35:04 AM I remember hearing that Rhiad and Catcher weren't going to be on the album? Weird.
Either way, I'm very interested in hearing it. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 10:35:39 AM You should go back and check some setlists from before 09/91. Thanks, I completely forgot that they played a good portion of UYI's before the album actually came out. I was just going from their early days prior to AFD. I knew the "7 years" argument would pop up, at least 3 songs from those albums were played 5 years before they came out. Then 10 more prior to the album's release. To think everyone was screaming for the band to play more new songs when they were touring. God forbid, some people would have no reason to buy the album anymore the way they are reacting.Songs I can think of off the top of my head that were played well before UYI came out were: Right Next Door To Hell Perfect Crime Estranged November Rain Pretty Tied Up Live And Let Die Don't Cry Knockin' On Heaven's Door Civil War Bad Obssesion Back Off Bitch You Could Be Mine 14 Years That's 13 out of 30. well, the times have changed and I wouldn't say it's fair to compare both releases. So I stand by what I say, people are blaming the illegal downloads for the fact we have heard most of the songs, I say NEY ! it's only 2 out of 14 ! and by the way I'll buy the album to have perfect quality songs, not lossless demos and shit ! and as norway says... we can learn a lesson and not download anything (especially live stuff ;) ) while awaiting for the next two albums Yeah, but then there's no perfect scenario.. However, I think Metallica did pretty good on the last album. Sure it leaked before the release but it leaked as a whole and it hadnt been leaked years before. So I was able to ignore the leak and wait for the release and when I bought it It felt like the old days, discovering a whole new cd, unwrapping the cd, putting it on and hit PLAY. ;D With Guns, one was always under the impression of what if I die tomorrow... or in two ...three years... and I have not heard the songs from chinese democracy? for a long time we were under the impression that it was never going to be released (though I never lost hope the fear was there) Dying without listening to a new gnr song ? I don't think there's much of a choice for a true gnr fan.. So I hope the next record comes quickly that way I won't have to download them. Sorry if you don't like what Im saying but Im being honest. A friend of mine died from cancer and he was a gnr fan and will never have the chance to listen to CD. So what if I was afraid that it would also happen to me ? I like GNR more than Metallica, so no I won't bugger off to a Metallica forum :P Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: cyllan on October 16, 2008, 10:48:19 AM This seems the perfect moment to play my 'smug git' card :hihi: - so here it is:
If the tracklist posted is correct, then it'll mean that there are 5 songs I'm familiar with from live shows, 1 song that I've heard live only once, and 8 songs that are completely new to me. That's right, 8 brand, spanking new songs in which I'll shortly be wallowing in aural pleasure. 8) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: crayallica on October 16, 2008, 10:50:46 AM I like GNR more than Metallica, so no I won't bugger off to a Metallica forum
Please don't, many of us love both bands and cherish that tour. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Tommie on October 16, 2008, 10:57:33 AM Holy shit... its finally happening isnt it?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sky dog on October 16, 2008, 10:58:35 AM Either way, the production and sound of the final album should blow away any leaks. Catcher will be essentially a whole new song. I'm getting pretty excited. :peace:
Also, remember, Axl mentioned he had narrowed the songs being worked on down to 32 in 2006. I will take him at his word and assume there are now 18 finished tracks we still haven't heard. I get the feeling album 2 will be a very quick turnaround release. I hope they do like Radiohead did with KID A and Amnesiac. 2 albums from the same recording session released 6 months apart. If Axl is planning something like this, he should announce it now so that the critics won't rip him with the inevitable "14 years for 14 tracks?" or "14 years for this?"..... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Apollon on October 16, 2008, 11:08:39 AM No word from Mysteron or Jarmo yet?
The Tracklist looks good but it's even better that there are 7 new songs for me to listen to... :) (Didn't want to spoil anything so I haven't listened to the CD, The Blues, ITW, Rhiad & Song 2 yet...) All in all: :drool: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Giant_Robot on October 16, 2008, 11:20:05 AM This tracklist is awesome :drool:
People who have heard the leaks know there is at least 11 classic tracks on that album and i am sure the other 3 won't disappoint ! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: russtcb on October 16, 2008, 11:22:04 AM How come people from both sides of the fence are already posting reviews on Best Buys website?? Those of you who love the leaks: You still don't know that the finished album is going to be "perfect" or "5 stars" yet, so why post it? Those of you who hate the leaks and the new band: Same goes for you, you don't know that you'll hate the finished product or that it's "not worthy of the GNR name" yet so why post it?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: adman2374 on October 16, 2008, 11:23:04 AM No word from Mysteron or Jarmo yet? The Tracklist looks good but it's even better that there are 7 new songs for me to listen to... :) (Didn't want to spoil anything so I haven't listened to the CD, The Blues, ITW, Rhiad & Song 2 yet...) All in all: :drool: At this point, We should only expect reliable info from the band itself. No one else, IMO. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 16, 2008, 11:24:08 AM I hate to admit this ::) but I've listened to live versions/demos of:
The Blues Better I.R.S. Madagascar TWAT Catcher in the Rye song #2 If The World I've also heard Chinese Democracy and Rhiad, but only once. And lately I've listened to Shackler's Revenge. But it's been so much fun that I don't regret listening to them beforehand, even if they sound exactly the same on the album (which I doubt!). :) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: BKinNYC on October 16, 2008, 11:30:29 AM Just a rumor from other sites, and I don't know how true they are (as always), but some are saying that the tracklist is correct, but the order isn't. So maybe someone did "leak" the tracklist, but doesn't have it in their hands, or did it from memory or something. That's why there's all the misspellings.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 16, 2008, 11:36:58 AM Just a rumor from other sites, and I don't know how true they are (as always), but some are saying that the tracklist is correct, but the order isn't. So maybe someone did "leak" the tracklist, but doesn't have it in their hands, or did it from memory or something. That's why there's all the misspellings. That'd be very unprofessional of them (BB). Imagine if the photo or tracklist was indeed fake... They'd be advertising their own exclusive with the wrong details. But, did I miss something or did they just change the genre from "pop" and something else (can't remember), to "rock". :hihi: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Giant_Robot on October 16, 2008, 11:39:58 AM Just a rumor from other sites, and I don't know how true they are (as always), but some are saying that the tracklist is correct, but the order isn't. So maybe someone did "leak" the tracklist, but doesn't have it in their hands, or did it from memory or something. That's why there's all the misspellings. Its on the best of buy website, and some other mod from anthor site thinks he knows.... better :hihi:Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: mnsotapop on October 16, 2008, 11:40:16 AM I hate to admit this ::) but I've listened to live versions/demos of: The Blues Better I.R.S. Madagascar TWAT Catcher in the Rye song #2 If The World I've also heard Chinese Democracy and Rhiad, but only once. And lately I've listened to Shackler's Revenge. But it's been so much fun that I don't regret listening to them beforehand, even if they sound exactly the same on the album (which I doubt!). :) I don't know why you "hate to admit it" who cares? :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 16, 2008, 11:50:06 AM When GN"R went after the person who leaked the songs, they said something along the lines of "material that was ready for release" (not the exact words I know)....
If that's the case, doesn't this tracklist pretty much confirm that the leaked song without a name is "Prostitute"? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 16, 2008, 11:56:14 AM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 11:58:13 AM When GN"R went after the person who leaked the songs, they said something along the lines of "material that was ready for release" (not the exact words I know).... If that's the case, doesn't this tracklist pretty much confirm that the leaked song without a name is "Prostitute"? I've felt that this was pretty obvious all along. Either way, I'm beyond thrilled with this tracklist if it is, in fact, the real deal. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 11:58:39 AM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 16, 2008, 11:59:53 AM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! sorry so will i. i just thought it was gunna be a crazy rocker so id be slightly let down Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 12:01:56 PM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! Same here. How anyone can be negative right now is just astonishing. Like Axl "owes" them certain songs on the tracklist. Gimme a fuckin' break. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 16, 2008, 12:02:40 PM Billboard:
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003874830 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2008, 12:05:09 PM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! Same here. How anyone can be negative right now is just astonishing. Like Axl "owes" them certain songs on the tracklist. Gimme a fuckin' break. Some people will never be happy. They bitch the album isn't out. They bitch that not enough "new" material is played at the shows. Then they download illegal leaks and bitch when they've heard a good chunk of the album already. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Giant_Robot on October 16, 2008, 12:07:31 PM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! Same here. How anyone can be negative right now is just astonishing. Like Axl "owes" them certain songs on the tracklist. Gimme a fuckin' break. Some people will never be happy. They bitch the album isn't out. They bitch that not enough "new" material is played at the shows. Then they download illegal leaks and bitch when they've heard a good chunk of the album already. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 16, 2008, 12:10:23 PM Im pumped dont get me wrong but didnt someone describe prostitute as "nightrain part 2"?
i dont see how it could be song 2 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: PJ on October 16, 2008, 12:14:10 PM no one ever said that
they say: prostitute is like a combination of nightrain and november rain and: is mid-up song with an aggresive rhythm section... perfectly fits with song 2 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: michaelrose on October 16, 2008, 12:17:36 PM I cannot wait to hear This I Love! ;D
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Rhino on October 16, 2008, 12:18:58 PM i believe prostitute will turn out to be what we know as the clip checkmate
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Rhino on October 16, 2008, 12:19:24 PM I also believe that this I love is song 2
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Tyson on October 16, 2008, 12:19:58 PM Is there any precedent for bands releasing innacurate tracklists prior to their ablums being released? If so, what would be the point?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ali on October 16, 2008, 12:20:27 PM Is there any precedent for bands releasing innacurate tracklists prior to their ablums being released? If so, what would be the point? The band didn't release this, though. Best Buy did. Ali Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 12:21:41 PM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute Why? Prostitute and TWAT = 5 stars : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GeraldFord on October 16, 2008, 12:26:37 PM Why do some people think "Prostitute" is "Message for You"? I hope it is as that would be a great way to close the album.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2008, 12:27:20 PM i believe prostitute will turn out to be what we know as the clip checkmate we should know for sure in about a month :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: veritas55 on October 16, 2008, 12:27:54 PM My guess is that Song #2 is indeed Prostitute -- that slow, great atmospheric fade-out would be the PERFECT ending to this CD. I hope I am right.
I also kick myself a bit for listening to the leaks: it would have been an amazing experience to listen to this whole CD through with NO clue what the songs would sound like. That said, I also needed a little something to get me through this long wait. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 12:29:43 PM I'm feel a bit shit now because I have played most of those songs to death, some of them for years :crying: - its my own fault I know.
So now I have 2, mabye 3 new songs to look forward too - oh well, not what I was expecting but I'm still very excited to hear the finished versions of the other ones. Its so unfortunate that it has taken such a long time for these songs to be released, 4 of them were played live in 2001 for goodness sake. I do think the final versions of these songs will blow most people away, its a very strong album, thankfully the millions who will buy the record wont have spoiled their appetite by listening to live versions and demo's. For most people this will be a whole new experience. Roll on the world tour!!! Funnily enough I changed my signature last week to refer to my favourite new song, which I now see is called "Street of Dreams". I even had to foresight to give it capital letters as it sounded more like a name, than a desription to my mind. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 16, 2008, 12:29:58 PM Why do some people think "Prostitute" is "Message for You"? I hope it is as that would be a great way to close the album. Yeah, I've always thought that it might be a good way to close the album. I love the way it kinda fades out. Although I'd be happy with almost anything. ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 12:36:01 PM Man, I hope we get a confirmation on this soon.
Catcher!! This I Love!!! I never thought I'd hear finished versions of either of those and now I'm just thrilled at this news. Mysteron/Jarmo, To your knowledge can you confirm or deny this tracklist? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Silverchair on October 16, 2008, 12:41:25 PM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! Same here. How anyone can be negative right now is just astonishing. Like Axl "owes" them certain songs on the tracklist. Gimme a fuckin' break. Some people will never be happy. They bitch the album isn't out. They bitch that not enough "new" material is played at the shows. Then they download illegal leaks and bitch when they've heard a good chunk of the album already. everyone bitches... 1. albums is coming. stop bitching. 2. album is coming. stop bitching. 3. album is coming. stop bitching... see where I'm goin' with this? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 12:42:33 PM What excites me even more is that besides the incredible tracklist that we already have for CD, there are many other rumored songs over these years that, eventually, could be on the next records or as bonus.
Oh my God Silkworms Checkmate Oklahoma Seven Leave Me Alone General Thyme Ides of March Atlas Shrugged Zodiac Eulogy of a Broken Heart Cock-a-roach Soup Suckerpunched No Love Remains Friend or Foe Zip It Something Always Hearts Always Get Killed Closing In On You Strange Disease Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ulises on October 16, 2008, 12:44:45 PM "Zip It" doesn't exists.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 12:46:38 PM "Zip It" doesn't exists. How do you know?? And do all the others exist? We don't know. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 12:47:41 PM What excites me even more is that besides the incredible tracklist that we already have for CD, there are many other rumored songs over these years that, eventually, could be on the next records or as bonus. Oh my God Silkworms Checkmate Oklahoma Seven Leave Me Alone General Thyme Ides of March Atlas Shrugged Zodiac Eulogy of a Broken Heart Cock-a-roach Soup Suckerpunched No Love Remains Friend or Foe Zip It Something Always Hearts Always Get Killed Closing In On You Strange Disease Exactly. Some people are acting like Chinese Democracy is their only chance to hear these other songs. It isn't. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 12:48:14 PM ill be so pissed if song2 is prostitute ill be so excited if Chinese Democracy is coming out now! Same here. How anyone can be negative right now is just astonishing. Like Axl "owes" them certain songs on the tracklist. Gimme a fuckin' break. Some people will never be happy. They bitch the album isn't out. They bitch that not enough "new" material is played at the shows. Then they download illegal leaks and bitch when they've heard a good chunk of the album already. everyone bitches... 1. albums is coming. stop bitching. 2. album is coming. stop bitching. 3. album is coming. stop bitching... see where I'm goin' with this? LMAO Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 12:50:18 PM What excites me even more is that besides the incredible tracklist that we already have for CD, there are many other rumored songs over these years that, eventually, could be on the next records or as bonus. Oh my God Silkworms Checkmate Oklahoma Seven Leave Me Alone General Thyme Ides of March Atlas Shrugged Zodiac Eulogy of a Broken Heart Cock-a-roach Soup Suckerpunched No Love Remains Friend or Foe Zip It Something Always Hearts Always Get Killed Closing In On You Strange Disease Exactly. Some people are acting like Chinese Democracy is their only chance to hear these other songs. It isn't. ...very hard to please... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 12:52:35 PM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..."
also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sky dog on October 16, 2008, 12:54:54 PM I am tired of worrying and debating about song titles for heard and unheard tracks. Let's just take what we have now and go with it. :-*
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 01:05:49 PM Man, I hope we get a confirmation on this soon. Catcher!! This I Love!!! I never thought I'd hear finished versions of either of those and now I'm just thrilled at this news. Mysteron/Jarmo, To your knowledge can you confirm or deny this tracklist? catcher and this i love to be on the album is indeed very good news, if legit! still i think there must be lots of better songs than riad. i really wanted to have some of those cool sounding titles on there instead: seven, thyme, atlas shrugged (i knew "the general" wouldn't be)... but enough of that. i believe it will be a strong album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 16, 2008, 01:06:13 PM Why do some people think "Prostitute" is "Message for You"? I hope it is as that would be a great way to close the album. From what I know... The setlist that was posted on the official GN'R website last year had "Prostitute", "If The World" and "Rhiad" listed on it... then it turns out that three songs get leaked: "If The World", "Rhiad" and one without a name. The descriptions of the song over the years seemed to somewhat matchup with the unnamed song and some people think he even says the word "Prostitute" in the song. Then, GN'R refers to the recently leaked material as being prepared for release and this tracklist shows that Prostitue is on the album, so the unnamed song could only be one of: Sorry, Scraped, This I Love or Prostitute... Odds are pretty good that's the name of the song. : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 01:06:58 PM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 01:10:18 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice.
It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 01:12:33 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo That's it. ;D Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 01:12:42 PM Why do some people think "Prostitute" is "Message for You"? I hope it is as that would be a great way to close the album. From what I know... The setlist that was posted on the official GN'R website last year had "Prostitute", "If The World" and "Rhiad" listed on it... then it turns out that three songs get leaked: "If The World", "Rhiad" and one without a name. The descriptions of the song over the years seemed to somewhat matchup with the unnamed song and some people think he even says the word "Prostitute" in the song. Then, GN'R refers to the recently leaked material as being prepared for release and this tracklist shows that Prostitue is on the album, so the unnamed song could only be one of: Sorry, Scraped, This I Love or Prostitute... Odds are pretty good that's the name of the song. : ok: well, the outro of song nr. 2 sounds as if it was meant to be an album closer. but some people i tend to trust, say it is NOT prostitute. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 01:13:53 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo +1. Did people really think Axl would rethink the entire tracklist so not to disappoint everyone who indulged in the leaks. ::) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 16, 2008, 01:18:57 PM I always thought There Was A Time was the perfect way to close the album... but I guess that's not meant to be. Maybe they can use it to close a few shows on the next tour.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Rocksteady on October 16, 2008, 01:19:11 PM I am actually happy that I have heard most of the songs before. Now I KNOW the album is gonna rock! Otherwise it would have been just an opinion, an opinion that would probably turn out to be true, but still just an opinion. And besides there's only so many songs that you can fit on a cd, I wouldn't have wanted to see any of the familiar songs being replaced by something we have never heard before.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: destroier on October 16, 2008, 01:19:18 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 01:24:37 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo but what do you expect from the kids, when christmas is postponed for years and years? those kids have even grown up and still believe in santa. that's something. i saw listening to the leaks more like opening those small doors on my advent calendar... and i still don't know all the presents i'll get. so, i'm a bit ambivalent when i look at the tracklist, but still excited. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sky dog on October 16, 2008, 01:25:24 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs. NOBODY ever said The General was supposed to be the best of the new songs.....people just make shit up. ::) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 01:26:34 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs. I dont think anyone have heard the final mixes yet.. Wasnt the leaks demos from way back? Anyway. You stil have some new songs there u havent heard.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on October 16, 2008, 01:27:16 PM I am so pumped!
Street of Dreams is such a better name than The Blues and if song #2 is indeed Prostitute, its a killer way to end the cd. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Silverchair on October 16, 2008, 01:27:48 PM I'm not disappointed. It is what it is. I have played/listen to the songs to death too... i made that choice. In fact my band covered two songs a while back. Chinese Democracy and Better. But that doesn't take away from the record for me. I already know how to play most of the songs... but I still love them.
There's 3 things in it for me... 1. GNR giving the one finger salute to the naysayers. 2. Axl putting out material that puts to rest the "need" of Slash in GNR. (GNR w/out Slash is still GNFR) 3. Having an official copy in my hands... That's about it. Everyone can have their own... that's what CD means to me. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 01:29:42 PM but what do you expect from the kids, when christmas is postponed for years and years? those kids have even grown up and still believe in santa. that's something. i saw listening to the leaks more like opening those small doors on my advent calendar... and i still don't know all the presents i'll get. so, i'm a bit ambivalent when i look at the tracklist, but still excited. Christmas wasn't postponed. You just didn't know what Christmas THAT gift was gonna be under the tree. Then when you knew it was closer than ever, you decided not to wait. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: suicide on October 16, 2008, 01:30:44 PM I'm glad I heard the leaks or live songs! Without the leaks or bootlegs GN'R wouldn't be this popular anymore and this board wouldn't even have as many members.
When CD gets released we'll hear the new / final / improved version of the songs we already know and some totally new songs. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 16, 2008, 01:31:47 PM What excites me even more is that besides the incredible tracklist that we already have for CD, there are many other rumored songs over these years that, eventually, could be on the next records or as bonus. Oh my God Silkworms Checkmate Oklahoma Seven Leave Me Alone General Thyme Ides of March Atlas Shrugged Zodiac Eulogy of a Broken Heart Cock-a-roach Soup Suckerpunched No Love Remains Friend or Foe Zip It Something Always Hearts Always Get Killed Closing In On You Strange Disease "Zip It" doesn't exists. Man, I wonder why people have such level of certainty even knowing a thing. That's why some tend to think Axl is a freak and stuff. They must believe in Yoda and those other odd GNR Tales. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 01:32:10 PM but what do you expect from the kids, when christmas is postponed for years and years? those kids have even grown up and still believe in santa. that's something. i saw listening to the leaks more like opening those small doors on my advent calendar... and i still don't know all the presents i'll get. so, i'm a bit ambivalent when i look at the tracklist, but still excited. Christmas wasn't postponed. You just didn't know what Christmas THAT gift was gonna be under the tree. Then when you knew it was closer than ever, you decided not to wait. /jarmo ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 16, 2008, 01:33:01 PM I'm not disappointed. It is what it is. I have played/listen to the songs to death too... i made that choice. In fact my band covered two songs a while back. Chinese Democracy and Better. But that doesn't take away from the record for me. I already know how to play most of the songs... but I still love them. There's 3 things in it for me... 1. GNR giving the one finger salute to the naysayers. 2. Axl putting out material that puts to rest the "need" of Slash in GNR. (GNR w/out Slash is still GNFR) 3. Having an official copy in my hands... That's about it. Everyone can have their own... that's what CD means to me. I don't think anyone said Axl couldnt make music w/o Slash, they just said it wouldn't be as good. We will find out soon enough. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 16, 2008, 01:34:06 PM Then when you knew it was closer than ever, you decided not to wait. /jarmo AFAIK no new leaks has appeared after the 23:rd November news? Before that we didn't know it was Christmas this year we would get the gift. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 16, 2008, 01:39:29 PM The music industry is totally different today. I can't say its better thats for sure, but it's interesting to be able to get your hands on rough demos/mixes when they leak. It's a different way to experience music I guess. It probably will kill the surprise factor a bit when the CD is released, how could it not, but I'm not sure I regret it. I have worn these demos out, and when I think I'm sick of everything on my ipod, I can always turn to GNR. GNR is the only band I am interested in enough to bother tracking down leaked songs.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 01:42:24 PM Then when you knew it was closer than ever, you decided not to wait. /jarmo AFAIK no new leaks has appeared after the 23:rd November news? Before that we didn't know it was Christmas this year we would get the gift. I guess all the signs weren't enough for you. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 16, 2008, 01:44:35 PM i dont know why but im actually more excited to hear the framiliar songs and see how the final versions stack up.
apparently the chinese democracy (the song) that was played for those BB employees was covered in new guitar work and vocal layers and a totally ew mix Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: divoz on October 16, 2008, 01:44:52 PM AFAIK no new leaks has appeared after the 23:rd November news? Before that we didn't know it was Christmas this year we would get the gift. [/quote] Agreed, the news just came out, judging by how long the album took, there was always a chance this woulda took another god knows how many years. And NO im not complaining about the setlist or anything. They waited way too long to put this out. You ppl that are on here blaming the fans are blaming the wrong people. Not saying the cd wont be awesome, im saying it should have been out a long time ago, and it does take away from the finished product, and anyone that will come on here and say that the fact that most of the songs have been leaked DOESN'T take anything at all away from the album are lying through their teeths Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: 33 on October 16, 2008, 01:45:43 PM I wouldnt like to presume either way about the proposed song title of the Blues, I'm just looking forward to hearing this baby because I have avoided every leak and shitty version over the years, ready for the big event!!
But one thing I will say about the Blues is that during one of the 2002 shows Axl introduced The Blues as, a new song with a working title of The Blues. Maybe this is the proper title of the song, who knows! Mike Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 01:48:03 PM Is there any precedent for bands releasing innacurate tracklists prior to their ablums being released? If so, what would be the point? The band didn't release this, though. Best Buy did. Ali Uhh,where do you think Best Buy got that tracklisting from? GNR forums? It is clear that GNR signed off on the tracklisting and cover going up. I would love to know what GNR are waiting for as far as making an announcement. I just hope they let us know who is in the band. It is fairly silly that this close to ChiDem we do not know the status of Finck and Brain. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: adman2374 on October 16, 2008, 01:51:55 PM Is there any precedent for bands releasing innacurate tracklists prior to their ablums being released? If so, what would be the point? The band didn't release this, though. Best Buy did. Ali And where do you think BB got it from? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 01:53:03 PM Quote AFAIK no new leaks has appeared after the 23:rd November news? Before that we didn't know it was Christmas this year we would get the gift. Agreed, the news just came out, judging by how long the album took, there was always a chance this woulda took another god knows how many years. And NO im not complaining about the setlist or anything. They waited way too long to put this out. You ppl that are on here blaming the fans are blaming the wrong people. Not saying the cd wont be awesome, im saying it should have been out a long time ago, and it does take away from the finished product, and anyone that will come on here and say that the fact that most of the songs have been leaked DOESN'T take anything at all away from the album are lying through their teeths I dont think the intention is to BLAME anyone, unless u are complaining on the tracklist.. We dont know shit about whats been going on behind the scene in the GNR camp, so no one is in any position to blame them for when to release theyr music... Waited to long? Maybe you have waited to long.. and if thats the problem, then things have come back to bite u in the ass now. Myself have had and interesting ride in music all thease years. Guns N Roses isnt everything. I have discoverd lots of new music the past 10 years. And lots of the new GNR members have made me got into theyr music, as solo acts, previous bands, and side projects... It has also given me many cool ideas to develope my own music, (as i play in a band). We should be happy that GNR years for sure are ahead of us now.. and im sure the next couple of months will be really interesting in many ways.. so why complain? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 01:58:10 PM I am not complaining.I have heard Demos so for me it would be worth it to pay $20 just for a real version of Catcher.Not knowing who is in the band is not acceptable at this point in the game.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lucs on October 16, 2008, 01:58:17 PM I wouldnt like to presume either way about the proposed song title of the Blues, I'm just looking forward to hearing this baby because I have avoided every leak and shitty version over the years, ready for the big event!! But one thing I will say about the Blues is that during one of the 2002 shows Axl introduced The Blues as, a new song with a working title of The Blues. Maybe this is the proper title of the song, who knows! Mike In 2006, on the setlist (paper) of the shows, it was still written The Blues 8) So the title change has been made between 2007 and now. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 01:59:44 PM I am not complaining.I have heard Demos so for me it would be worth it to pay $20 just for a real version of Catcher.Not knowing who is in the band is not acceptable at this point in the game. We know who is in the band.. just go here and take a look www.myspace.com/gunsnroses Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CoBrA2168 on October 16, 2008, 02:00:21 PM I wouldnt like to presume either way about the proposed song title of the Blues, I'm just looking forward to hearing this baby because I have avoided every leak and shitty version over the years, ready for the big event!! On their first opening show with the new band, 01-01-2001, he said it was called the Blues.But one thing I will say about the Blues is that during one of the 2002 shows Axl introduced The Blues as, a new song with a working title of The Blues. Maybe this is the proper title of the song, who knows! Mike Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 02:02:36 PM The music industry is totally different today. I can't say its better thats for sure, but it's interesting to be able to get your hands on rough demos/mixes when they leak. It's a different way to experience music I guess. It probably will kill the surprise factor a bit when the CD is released, how could it not, but I'm not sure I regret it. I have worn these demos out, and when I think I'm sick of everything on my ipod, I can always turn to GNR. GNR is the only band I am interested in enough to bother tracking down leaked songs. Me too, I've never looked for demos of any other band at all. Nor do I visit forums unless a tour is on that I fancy going to see or a new album is coming out. Its because we know fuck all and every day we hope to gain an insight into our favourite band, all we get hints and whispers and the enigma of this version of GN'R. Its very addictive, I dunno why. Mabye the release of this record will resolve a lot of the mystery and bring the enigma back down to earth with a bump. I doubt I will have the same anticipation for the next album, but thats hardly suprising, I dont know if anyone will. This has been a completely unique experience and I think it will go down in folklore. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: PENNY16161 on October 16, 2008, 02:06:07 PM Maybe Song 2 is Scraped -- it is the 2nd song on the track list...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 02:06:49 PM I am not complaining.I have heard Demos so for me it would be worth it to pay $20 just for a real version of Catcher.Not knowing who is in the band is not acceptable at this point in the game. We know who is in the band.. just go here and take a look www.myspace.com/gunsnroses So going by that Brain is out? Well that sucks.Please don't tell me Finck can be in 2 huge bands.This isn't liek jumping back and forth between two local bar bands, I highly doubt he can be in both NIN and GNR.What is he gonna do, toss a coin and decide what band he is going play live with on a certain day? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GypsySoul on October 16, 2008, 02:08:16 PM I just hope they let us know who is in the band. It is fairly silly that this close to ChiDem we do not know the status of Finck and Brain. The status of Robin and Brain is that they are both on the album ... as is Buckethead and Frank and Bumblefoot and Tommy and Richard and Chris and Dizzy and Axl.What is silly is looking for something negative with all the positive things happening. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 02:10:34 PM I am not complaining.I have heard Demos so for me it would be worth it to pay $20 just for a real version of Catcher.Not knowing who is in the band is not acceptable at this point in the game. We know who is in the band.. just go here and take a look www.myspace.com/gunsnroses So going by that Brain is out? Well that sucks.Please don't tell me Finck can be in 2 huge bands.This isn't liek jumping back and forth between two local bar bands, I highly doubt he can be in both NIN and GNR.What is he gonna do, toss a coin and decide what band he is going play live with on a certain day? NIN isnt a band in the same way.. NIN is driven and written by Trent Reznor Robin have played for NIN before.. and gone back to Guns.. Maynard has 2 big bands.. Tool and A Perfect Circle lots of people have different projects.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SINSHINE on October 16, 2008, 02:12:27 PM Maybe Song 2 is Scraped -- it is the 2nd song on the track list... 'Song 2' refers to the order in which the last batch of Leaks (aside from Shackler's) came out...in other words file 1, file 2 and file 3. It became known as 'Song 2' because it was the second song released and nobody knew the actual title. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Silverchair on October 16, 2008, 02:12:49 PM It's nice to see how the thread went from everybody excited and happy to bickering and bitching overnight...
ahh... the memories of Yesterday... :no: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 02:13:21 PM I just hope they let us know who is in the band. It is fairly silly that this close to ChiDem we do not know the status of Finck and Brain. The status of Robin and Brain is that they are both on the album ... as is Buckethead and Frank and Bumblefoot and Tommy and Richard and Chris and Dizzy and Axl.What is silly is looking for something negative with all the positive things happening. What the hell?I didn't ask who played on the album, I asked if they were in the band. Wanting to know who is in my favorite band is not silly, especially when Finck/Brain have apparently played a big role in writing for the album(s) Bucket is on the album too, however I know his status in the band. Maybe you don't care who is in the band but others of us do. I must not be a fan though,after all I am probably only buying all 3 covers and 3 different vinyls. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 02:16:47 PM I just hope they let us know who is in the band. It is fairly silly that this close to ChiDem we do not know the status of Finck and Brain. The status of Robin and Brain is that they are both on the album ... as is Buckethead and Frank and Bumblefoot and Tommy and Richard and Chris and Dizzy and Axl.What is silly is looking for something negative with all the positive things happening. What the hell?I didn't ask who played on the album, I asked if they were in the band. Wanting to know who is in my favorite band is not silly, especially when Finck/Brain have apparently played a big role in writing for the album(s) Bucket is on the album too, however I know his status in the band. Maybe you don't care who is in the band but others of us do. I must not be a fan though,after all I am probably only buying all 3 covers and 3 different vinyls. No one have said your not a fan.. comon Lets put the discussions like that to rest for a second, and just injoy whats happening.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 02:17:40 PM No one have said your not a fan.. comon Lets put the discussions like that to rest for a second, and just injoy whats happening.. I think that's the whole point. Why do you need to "worry" about that now? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 02:22:08 PM No one have said your not a fan.. comon Lets put the discussions like that to rest for a second, and just injoy whats happening.. I think that's the whole point. Why do you need to "worry" about that now? /jarmo I am not worrried, I just think it would be cool for Brain and Finck to still be in the band.I have no problem with Frank and if Finck has chosen to go back to NIN then so be it.We have heard of plans for an 09 tour and a new video so this issue is going to have to be resolved sooner rather than later Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GypsySoul on October 16, 2008, 02:23:46 PM I just hope they let us know who is in the band. It is fairly silly that this close to ChiDem we do not know the status of Finck and Brain. The status of Robin and Brain is that they are both on the album ... as is Buckethead and Frank and Bumblefoot and Tommy and Richard and Chris and Dizzy and Axl.What is silly is looking for something negative with all the positive things happening. What the hell?I didn't ask who played on the album, I asked if they were in the band. Wanting to know who is in my favorite band is not silly, especially when Finck/Brain have apparently played a big role in writing for the album(s) My point is why worry now about who the touring band members will be when right now the album is coming out and it's already been confirmed that Robin and Brain's parts are on the album. I must not be a fan though,after all I am probably only buying all 3 covers and 3 different vinyls. I pre-ordered all 6 versions too!!! ;DTitle: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bitch Slap Rappin on October 16, 2008, 02:24:27 PM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111034&type=product&id=1925067) 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Scraped 3. Shackler's Revenge 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. Better 7. This I Love 8. There Was A Time 9. Riad N' The Bedovins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Catcher 13. Madagascar 14. Prostitute Wow!!! I'm impressed. 14 new songs that I've never heard. (Yeah, I know I could hear them else were but I'm a cd kind of a guy who likes to purchase the finished product of the artists. ) This is fantastic. And this is just the first one...........In all the freaking bullshit that's been going on this year this will make me happy and lift the dark cloud above. Thanks G&R....... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 02:24:34 PM No one have said your not a fan.. comon Lets put the discussions like that to rest for a second, and just injoy whats happening.. I think that's the whole point. Why do you need to "worry" about that now? /jarmo I am not worrried, I just think it would be cool for Brain and Finck to still be in the band.I have no problem with Frank and if Finck has chosen to go back to NIN then so be it.We have heard of plans for an 09 tour and a new video so this issue is going to have to be resolved sooner rather than later And im sure it will be.. I dont think Axl wont solve that issu, "when" the tour plans starts.. like he have said on www.gunsnroses.com Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 02:28:45 PM I just hope they let us know who is in the band. It is fairly silly that this close to ChiDem we do not know the status of Finck and Brain. The status of Robin and Brain is that they are both on the album ... as is Buckethead and Frank and Bumblefoot and Tommy and Richard and Chris and Dizzy and Axl.What is silly is looking for something negative with all the positive things happening. What the hell?I didn't ask who played on the album, I asked if they were in the band. Wanting to know who is in my favorite band is not silly, especially when Finck/Brain have apparently played a big role in writing for the album(s) My point is why worry now about who the touring band members will be when right now the album is coming out and it's already been confirmed that Robin and Brain's parts are on the album. I must not be a fan though,after all I am probably only buying all 3 covers and 3 different vinyls. I pre-ordered all 6 versions too!!! ;DTitle: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ali on October 16, 2008, 02:44:12 PM Is there any precedent for bands releasing innacurate tracklists prior to their ablums being released? If so, what would be the point? The band didn't release this, though. Best Buy did. Ali And where do you think BB got it from? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???? No shit, but the tracklisting still wasn't put out by GN'R on their website. That's the only way it is official. Ali Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GunnerOne 84 on October 16, 2008, 02:48:05 PM As excited as I am, I am waiting for the word of Axl before I truly go nuts with this news.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RancidPunx on October 16, 2008, 02:49:01 PM Is there any precedent for bands releasing innacurate tracklists prior to their ablums being released? If so, what would be the point? The band didn't release this, though. Best Buy did. Ali And where do you think BB got it from? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???? No shit, but the tracklisting still wasn't put out by GN'R on their website. That's the only way it is official. Ali Of course it is official.Do you think Azoff/GNR gave BB a fake tracklisting? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 02:59:21 PM Maybe Song 2 is Scraped -- it is the 2nd song on the track list... thought about the same thing. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 16, 2008, 02:59:40 PM Do you guys think that by putting "Catcher" Axl tried to avoid a lawsuit from Salinger, the author of the book?
Also, I remeber hearin that "Rhiad" wouldn't be on the cd... There's still some mistery on the air. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GnR-NOW on October 16, 2008, 03:08:03 PM I'm so excited to finally hear mastered versions of these songs. Hearing TWAT, Better, CD, Street of Dreams aka The Blues, IRS all on one official CD excites the living hell out of me, then hearing being able to hear IF the World, Prostitute, the much talked about This I Love is goign to be something else.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 03:17:14 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs. NOBODY ever said The General was supposed to be the best of the new songs.....people just make shit up. ::) dizzy said general is his favorite. so did baz. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GnR-NOW on October 16, 2008, 03:21:07 PM Just enjoy the album. How many times did we hear that once we hear the mastered tracks that the demos wont even compare
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR4L on October 16, 2008, 03:28:50 PM I love the tracklist when I first read it I was like where is The Blues ??? but then I saw Street Of Dreams and then I got it. I can't wait to hear Better, Catcher, and Sorry those are the most im looking forward to in hearing. Im REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE FIRST SINGLE AND VIDEO !!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 03:31:48 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs. NOBODY ever said The General was supposed to be the best of the new songs.....people just make shit up. ::) dizzy said general is his favorite. so did baz. Sorry is Baz's favorite. He also said Axl told him that The General is the sequel to Estranged and will be released in a future album, not CD. So we knew it wasnt going to be on CD from that interview. I dont remember Dizzy saying that though, when was that? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 03:37:41 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs. NOBODY ever said The General was supposed to be the best of the new songs.....people just make shit up. ::) dizzy said general is his favorite. so did baz. Sorry is Baz's favorite. He also said Axl told him that The General is the sequel to Estranged and will be released in a future album, not CD. So we knew it wasnt going to be on CD from that interview. I dont remember Dizzy saying that though, when was that? yeah, we kind of knew general wouldn't be on the album. but axl said at a certain point, catcher won't be either. things can change pretty quickly. glad that catcher made it. it's so beautiful. but i think baz mentioned in one of his interviews, that general was the one song he was really blown away when he heard it (and then axl told him it wil be on the 3rd record). to dizzy: he mentioned that in an old interview, saying that brain wrote the track. i'll try to give you a link. hold on, i hope i find it. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 03:40:01 PM This list is disappointing. Not because we've heard most of these songs already, but because there are only three that I really like, and a couple that just suck. I just hope the four new ones are really good. I was also hoping to hear The General. That's supposed to be the best of the new songs. NOBODY ever said The General was supposed to be the best of the new songs.....people just make shit up. ::) dizzy said general is his favorite. so did baz. Sorry is Baz's favorite. He also said Axl told him that The General is the sequel to Estranged and will be released in a future album, not CD. So we knew it wasnt going to be on CD from that interview. I dont remember Dizzy saying that though, when was that? sorry was his favourite, then in a later interview he referred the general as his favourite.. never ever heard him say anything about the general have any connection with estranged? it's a brain song.. (and i've read every interview with baz since i dunno how long..) dizzy said so at some frat party in 05 or 06 i think.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 03:40:14 PM Axl never said Catcher in the Rye wouldn't be on CD. He said that the demo version with brian may's parts might not be on. So he basically said the guitar could be rerecorded by a member of the band.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 03:41:26 PM ^ and he said that in the eddie trunk interview in 06
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim on October 16, 2008, 03:44:01 PM Well, I like the tracklist. Seeing Catcher in the Rye (if it is Catcher in the Rye...) possibly making an appearance has just about made my day. And as for all of you fff... pieces of shh... Who have downloaded a massive amount of the material already, well... All the more reason to look forward to the next album!, and the next...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 03:51:39 PM Well, I like the tracklist. Seeing Catcher in the Rye (if it is Catcher in the Rye...) possibly making an appearance has just about made my day. And as for all of you fff... pieces of shh... Who have downloaded a massive amount of the material already, well... All the more reason to look forward to the next album!, and the next... axl said - at least that was what people were reporting - that chatcher would be on the 3rd album during some of the first cd tours, long before the trunk interview. the dizzy mention of "general" is from metal sludge interview I: In terms of the tracklisting on Chinese Democracy, what is your favorite track on the album? D: umm... I don't know... last year Brain had this song called 'the General' that was really cool... and another song called "we were lying [not sure if thats the name he said]" ... I don't know [Dizzy shrugs] Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jimmy? on October 16, 2008, 03:56:16 PM Well, I like the tracklist. Seeing Catcher in the Rye (if it is Catcher in the Rye...) possibly making an appearance has just about made my day. And as for all of you fff... pieces of shh... Who have downloaded a massive amount of the material already, well... All the more reason to look forward to the next album!, and the next... axl said - at least that was what people were reporting - that chatcher would be on the 3rd album during some of the first cd tours, long before the trunk interview. the dizzy mention of "general" is from metal sludge interview I: In terms of the tracklisting on Chinese Democracy, what is your favorite track on the album? D: umm... I don't know... last year Brain had this song called 'the General' that was really cool... and another song called "we were lying [not sure if thats the name he said]" ... I don't know [Dizzy shrugs] Hmmmm, "we were lying"??? Could this be "Lies They Tell" otherwise known as "Scraped"? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 03:56:26 PM Yea i remember people saying that back in 2002, but it was never confirmed. The Eddie trunk Interview was much more recent and during that interview he said that the version with Brian May probably wouldn't be on the album, and he wasn't referring to the song in general. :peace:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 03:58:14 PM Quote Catcher (in the rye)! TWAT! Prostitute (Message for you)! :beer: My fellow gunner i agree 1000% with you. these are some really BIG guns. This tracklist made my fucking day! : ok: Agreed. I couldnt be happier with this tracklist. To me, "This I Love" is a real treat to see on the album. Back in I believe 1993 Axl spoke about it in an interview as being the "heaviest" song he ever wrote and how he wants it to be on the next album. I honestly did not expect it to survive the original band's separation. It must be a very special song for Axl. Can't wait to hear this one. Here is Axl's quote regarding This I Love... "I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that?s the heaviest thing that I?ve ever done." -Axl Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: 33 on October 16, 2008, 04:02:50 PM I wouldnt like to presume either way about the proposed song title of the Blues, I'm just looking forward to hearing this baby because I have avoided every leak and shitty version over the years, ready for the big event!! But one thing I will say about the Blues is that during one of the 2002 shows Axl introduced The Blues as, a new song with a working title of The Blues. Maybe this is the proper title of the song, who knows! Mike In 2006, on the setlist (paper) of the shows, it was still written The Blues 8) So the title change has been made between 2007 and now. Oh yeh I agree with you mate, it has always been known as The Blues during the shows. It's just I remember one of the bootlegs during the 02 tour had that particular quote from Axl before he introduced The Blues referring to it as the working title. It just made me wonder when I saw this track listing today if this working title thing meant that for the album version it would have a different name!! Just a thought really!! I will get out the old bootlegs and see what show it was in!! Mike Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim on October 16, 2008, 04:06:25 PM Well, I like the tracklist. Seeing Catcher in the Rye (if it is Catcher in the Rye...) possibly making an appearance has just about made my day. And as for all of you fff... pieces of shh... Who have downloaded a massive amount of the material already, well... All the more reason to look forward to the next album!, and the next... axl said - at least that was what people were reporting - that chatcher would be on the 3rd album during some of the first cd tours, long before the trunk interview. the dizzy mention of "general" is from metal sludge interview I: In terms of the tracklisting on Chinese Democracy, what is your favorite track on the album? D: umm... I don't know... last year Brain had this song called 'the General' that was really cool... and another song called "we were lying [not sure if thats the name he said]" ... I don't know [Dizzy shrugs] Yeah, well, err... Eh? What does that have to do with me? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 16, 2008, 04:11:45 PM Quote Catcher (in the rye)! TWAT! Prostitute (Message for you)! :beer: My fellow gunner i agree 1000% with you. these are some really BIG guns. This tracklist made my fucking day! : ok: Agreed. I couldnt be happier with this tracklist. To me, "This I Love" is a real treat to see on the album. Back in I believe 1993 Axl spoke about it in an interview as being the "heaviest" song he ever wrote and how he wants it to be on the next album. I honestly did not expect it to survive the original band's separation. It must be a very special song for Axl. Can't wait to hear this one. Here is Axl's quote regarding This I Love... "I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that?s the heaviest thing that I?ve ever done." -Axl By heaviest, does he main heavy, musically/aggressiveness or heavy lyrically? Ala, Estranged. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 16, 2008, 04:13:35 PM Quote Catcher (in the rye)! TWAT! Prostitute (Message for you)! :beer: My fellow gunner i agree 1000% with you. these are some really BIG guns. This tracklist made my fucking day! : ok: Agreed. I couldnt be happier with this tracklist. To me, "This I Love" is a real treat to see on the album. Back in I believe 1993 Axl spoke about it in an interview as being the "heaviest" song he ever wrote and how he wants it to be on the next album. I honestly did not expect it to survive the original band's separation. It must be a very special song for Axl. Can't wait to hear this one. Here is Axl's quote regarding This I Love... "I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that?s the heaviest thing that I?ve ever done." -Axl By heaviest, does he main heavy, musically/aggressiveness or heavy lyrically? Ala, Estranged. the interesting about that "old" question, is that its about to get answered.. : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jack49 on October 16, 2008, 04:33:03 PM Im lovin the tracklisting. So glad Catcher made it
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 04:33:33 PM Didnt he find writing the lyrics to coma "heavy" as well?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 04:48:23 PM I prefer The Blues as a title rather than Street Of Dreams, mabye its because of familiarity. Street of Dreams sounds too optimistic, The blues sounds sombre and reflectfull.
Just so fucking chuffed to find out that Catcher In The Rye will be on it and I will soon be able to hear the finished article. I'm not to keen on the intro though, its not that I dont like it, its more that I think it could do with a little more constructive piano. I heard "Loving Cup" on Exile on Main St and I thought Catcher would sound great with a little piano interlude like that before the main piano riff. I also prefer how that Stones piano sounds, more wholesome and warm :) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 16, 2008, 04:55:00 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo I agree 100% with this...and I would be lying if I said I did not hear all of the leaks. Some of these songs were unavoidable if you went to several shows like I did. I think anyone that went to a show or two heard Better, IRS, Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy and TWAT. Or if you own rockband you heard "Shacklers Revenge." I know for a fact we have been hearing "The Blues" , "Chinese Democracy" and "Madagascar" since Rio in 2001. The only real solid "studo quality" tracks that I have known to come up were the ones from the Antiquiet site a few months back and I believe it was Ron who said he wa relieved when he head it because those were not finished versions of the songs. Jarmo is right that anyone who decided to download any of the leaks shouldnt be upset that you chose to download the songs before they came out. I am actually very excited now that I saw the tracklist, because I LOVE those songs that are on the record..and now we will actually have REAL official versions of them... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: dont_damn_me on October 16, 2008, 04:55:49 PM Not to be negative, but am I the only one who is just slightly bummed that there are only 3 new songs we havn't heard yet? Sorry and Scraped are new, Prostitute and This I love could be new songs, although one could be the Message for you leak, other than that everything else we'v heard allready. 14 years for 3 or 4 new songs and people are loving the tracklisting??
I like the leaks and i'm sure i'll love the disk, but I will admit I was expecting more surprises, I'm hoping for another tracklist, maybe a double disk with some BIG guns we havn't heard yet. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 16, 2008, 04:56:16 PM I prefer The Blues as a title rather than Street Of Dreams, mabye its because of familiarity. Street of Dreams sounds too optimistic, The blues sounds sombre and reflectfull. Just so fucking chuffed to find out that Catcher In The Rye will be on it and I will soon be able to hear the finished article. I'm not to keen on the intro though, its not that I dont like it, its more that I think it could do with a little more constructive piano. I heard "Loving Cup" on Exile on Main St and I thought Catcher would sound great with a little piano interlude like that before the main piano riff. I also prefer how that Stones piano sounds, more wholesome and warm :) I always thought of Elton John when I heard the title "The Blues"..."I guess thats why they call it the Blues" was always the first thing to come to mind... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 05:00:25 PM Quote Catcher (in the rye)! TWAT! Prostitute (Message for you)! :beer: My fellow gunner i agree 1000% with you. these are some really BIG guns. This tracklist made my fucking day! : ok: Agreed. I couldnt be happier with this tracklist. To me, "This I Love" is a real treat to see on the album. Back in I believe 1993 Axl spoke about it in an interview as being the "heaviest" song he ever wrote and how he wants it to be on the next album. I honestly did not expect it to survive the original band's separation. It must be a very special song for Axl. Can't wait to hear this one. Here is Axl's quote regarding This I Love... "I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that?s the heaviest thing that I?ve ever done." -Axl By heaviest, does he main heavy, musically/aggressiveness or heavy lyrically? Ala, Estranged. the interesting about that "old" question, is that its about to get answered.. : ok: it's a piano song.. Axl: I wrote and recorded a new song that I want to have on the record called "This I Love."1 Howard Karp (Engineer): I only worked with Axl, no one else, it was a solo piano piece. I heard nothing else. Axl was cool, two short evenings, nothing too eventful. Dave Dominguez (Engineer): "This I love" is actually an old GN'R song that the original GN'R wrote and recorded for the "Illusion" records. I like that song a lot. It took a couple of weeks to find all the tapes because they finished recording "Use Your Illusions" on the road and one tape was in Paris, another in London and another in Sydney I believe. http://www.gnrsource.com/songinfo/cd/thisilove.htm Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 16, 2008, 05:01:54 PM Not to be negative, but am I the only one who is just slightly bummed that there are only 3 new songs we havn't heard yet? Sorry and Scraped are new, Prostitute and This I love could be new songs, although one could be the Message for you leak, other than that everything else we'v heard allready. 14 years for 3 or 4 new songs and people are loving the tracklisting?? I like the leaks and i'm sure i'll love the disk, but I will admit I was expecting more surprises, I'm hoping for another tracklist, maybe a double disk with some BIG guns we havn't heard yet. that the point..from one "downloading motherfucker" to another, you really have no right to be pissed...you decided to hear the album early...there are 14 NEW songs on this disc, but only 4 or 5 that you have not been able to steal yet... :hihi: I have heard alot of different versions of these songs on the tracklist and I am not disappointed at all...quite the opposite...I was actually quite relieved to see that the songs i have come to know and love over the years made it onto the record.... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 16, 2008, 05:02:06 PM Not to be negative, but am I the only one who is just slightly bummed that there are only 3 new songs we havn't heard yet? Sorry and Scraped are new, Prostitute and This I love could be new songs, although one could be the Message for you leak, other than that everything else we'v heard allready. 14 years for 3 or 4 new songs and people are loving the tracklisting?? I like the leaks and i'm sure i'll love the disk, but I will admit I was expecting more surprises, I'm hoping for another tracklist, maybe a double disk with some BIG guns we havn't heard yet. You should be bummed at yourself for listening to stuff you weren't suppose to. If you were like Me and some others on here, you would have 14 brand new songs to hear. :hihi: OK damn it, I get 3 new ones as well, but hearing them finished etc will be amazing. I can't wait to hear Sorry and This I Love. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 16, 2008, 05:03:47 PM When he says "HEAVY" does he mean heavy as in musically heavy, like WTTJ heavy or just lyrically and emotionally heavy?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 16, 2008, 05:04:14 PM I prefer The Blues as a title rather than Street Of Dreams, mabye its because of familiarity. Street of Dreams sounds too optimistic, The blues sounds sombre and reflectfull. Just so fucking chuffed to find out that Catcher In The Rye will be on it and I will soon be able to hear the finished article. I'm not to keen on the intro though, its not that I dont like it, its more that I think it could do with a little more constructive piano. I heard "Loving Cup" on Exile on Main St and I thought Catcher would sound great with a little piano interlude like that before the main piano riff. I also prefer how that Stones piano sounds, more wholesome and warm :) I always thought of Elton John when I heard the title "The Blues"..."I guess thats why they call it the Blues" was always the first thing to come to mind... What if they changed it because it's a better title for a single? (radio voice) "This is guns n roses: street of dreams"... Nah, probably wishful thinking... I love that song. ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 16, 2008, 05:04:52 PM I wonder how big input baz will have on sorry if it's only harmonies and no real lines, i don't think it's more then that tbh
When he says "HEAVY" does he mean heavy as in musically heavy, like WTTJ heavy or just lyrically and emotionally heavy? look just a couple of posts above yours and you'll most likely find that out.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 05:05:33 PM I always thought of Elton John when I heard the title "The Blues"..."I guess thats why they call it the Blues" was always the first thing to come to mind... Well the piano always made think Elton John, well, at least 7 odd years ago it did. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 16, 2008, 05:09:07 PM Since the first time I heard "Chinese Democracy" i knew it would be the open track, even in my unnofficial bootleg Chinese Democracy is the opening track. And "Message for You" is the closing one, right after "Catcher"!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mr. Nik™ on October 16, 2008, 05:12:25 PM And "Message for You" is the closing one :confused: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: dont_damn_me on October 16, 2008, 05:16:18 PM Not to be negative, but am I the only one who is just slightly bummed that there are only 3 new songs we havn't heard yet? Sorry and Scraped are new, Prostitute and This I love could be new songs, although one could be the Message for you leak, other than that everything else we'v heard allready. 14 years for 3 or 4 new songs and people are loving the tracklisting?? I like the leaks and i'm sure i'll love the disk, but I will admit I was expecting more surprises, I'm hoping for another tracklist, maybe a double disk with some BIG guns we havn't heard yet. that the point..from one "downloading motherfucker" to another, you really have no right to be pissed...you decided to hear the album early...there are 14 NEW songs on this disc, but only 4 or 5 that you have not been able to steal yet... :hihi: I have heard alot of different versions of these songs on the tracklist and I am not disappointed at all...quite the opposite...I was actually quite relieved to see that the songs i have come to know and love over the years made it onto the record.... I didn't steal anything, I paid money to seem them live in concert and listened to one or two demos posted on Youtube briefly. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 16, 2008, 05:16:39 PM I mean, the last track on the "album". Apologies from a ESL dowloading motherfucker! :-[
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mike McKagan on October 16, 2008, 05:22:38 PM For those of you hoping that version B is a second album, the thing that makes me think it's VERY unlikely (other than Jarmo's word on the matter, which seems like enough) is that ALL of the leaks are on the tracklist we've seen. Imagine if songs from UYI had leaked. Wouldn't the law of averages say that some of them would end up on I and some on II? Since all the leaks are on this tracklist, my thought is that this is all we're getting. (And by "all," I of course mean a mind-fucking kickass sonic bowel-emptier that will have everyone who listens to it cursing the heavens that no other album they ever hear will be worth their time after Chinese Democracy brain-rapes them in the most rawking way imaginable.)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 16, 2008, 05:25:55 PM For those of you hoping that version B is a second album, the thing that makes me think it's VERY unlikely (other than Jarmo's word on the matter, which seems like enough) is that ALL of the leaks are on the tracklist we've seen. Imagine if songs from UYI had leaked. Wouldn't the law of averages say that some of them would end up on I and some on II? Since all the leaks are on this tracklist, my thought is that this is all we're getting. (And by "all," I of course mean a mind-fucking kickass sonic bowel-emptier that will have everyone who listens to it cursing the heavens that no other album they ever hear will be worth their time after Chinese Democracy brain-rapes them in the most rawking way imaginable.) and the dude from best buy said "i hope we dont have to wait another 14 years for the second album" Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 05:33:19 PM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 05:38:07 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 06:42:24 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 16, 2008, 06:50:14 PM to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. Dude - did you read what you wrote, before you posted? You stole the music, which you wouldn't have done if Axl told you to wait...and now you are bummed because you have been listening to these stolen songs, and it is a letdown? :confused:i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR4L on October 16, 2008, 06:55:48 PM Yeah I cant believe people are complaining ! man can't please some GnR fan's. Good tracklist here's my order of the tracks im most eager to listen to.
1. Better 2. Catcher 3. This I Love 4. I.R.S. 5. Street Of Dreams 6. Prostitute 7. Madagascar 8. Scraped 9. Sorry 10. TWAT 11. Shacklers Revenge 12. If The World 13.Rhiad 14. Chinese Democracy Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: AC on October 16, 2008, 06:59:23 PM I'm listening to the leaks right now as I type this and read about all those who are disappointed. I'm not disappointed, quite happy in fact. If I get killed on the way home from work (knock on wood) at least I can sit at the pearly gates knowing I got some of it in.
It's like dying before getting laid, but you had a chance with an ugly girl and took it, nothing wrong there. Now I get the ugly girl and the hot girl. Works for me, and I'm all practiced up for the hot girl. I'm actually more excited now that I have the leaks, because before I had almost lost interest in GN'R, but the leaks brought back all level of high interest! LOL. Peace, a. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 16, 2008, 07:08:01 PM The same with me. I downloaded all leaks, but of course that I'm still waiting very anxious for the cd, for the new songs and for the definitive versions of the leaked ones.
But I can't help but remember of people saying that these leaks wouldn't be on the album, and I kind of hoped for the album to be 13 new songs... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 07:08:25 PM seems as if i was WRONG and song nr. 2 is prostitute. according to mygnr and cd.com...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 07:10:10 PM Some people are bummed because they expected the release of this album to match the last release of original works from Guns N' Roses, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2.
People are just commenting their opinion thats all. For anybody to saddle up on the High Horse Sanctimony and strike them down as infadels cuts no mustard with me at all. Its deeply unimpresive, the vast majority of people who listen to leaks - love the band, love the songs and will buy the album. Its a sad state of affairs that I think twice before posting here that I'm suprised that it has taken until nearly 2009 to get these 14 songs out. I am very suprised that so many old song titles appear, I thought with the delays something bigger was coming. But I can hardly wait for the follow up, because I havnt heard a note of it, nor do i want to! I thought Chinese Democracy would be a huge musical acomplishment and unique expression of unparalleled creativity, but for the time being it appears to be a mere mortal rocking album thats only fucking brilliant. Thats not whining. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:10:56 PM Anybody who's "disappointed". You had a choice. It's like opening your Christmas presents days early and then sit at Christmas all bummed out because you got nothing left to unwrap. You made the decision. Nobody else. You did! /jarmo to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. objectivity would have led someone to at least entertain the thought the album would never see the light of day. I always held out it would, but when nothing was told to us for quite a while, one has to get objective about it. again, as i said, while i'm a bit let down i know half the songs, i will get the album and wear it out listening to it. My posts are with regards to marketing the album to the general public. and by the way, as far as the "you stole the song so why are you complaining" BS, at least 5 of these songs have been played live very often. My concern is with the ready availability of at the very least those songs played live, the hype surrounding the release will get muffled somewhat. IE. what will reviewers be reviewing? three or four songs. MOst every major music publication i;ve read has done some sort of write up on the leaks and the live material. Didnt one review cover the leaks song by song as an album review would? Point being, an 80% complete initial reaction has already been made by the people who will or would have written reviews. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: C0ma on October 16, 2008, 07:13:43 PM seems as if i was WRONG and song nr. 2 is prostitute. according to mygnr and cd.com... The leaker who was arrested confirmed it is prostitute, because he was charged with violating it's copyright Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 07:14:12 PM Anyone think we may see some kind of official announcement tonight regarding this track list?
I think an official confirmation or denial would end a whole lot of debating and confusion among fans. : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 16, 2008, 07:14:31 PM I'm listening to the leaks right now as I type this and read about all those who are disappointed. I'm not disappointed, quite happy in fact. If I get killed on the way home from work (knock on wood) at least I can sit at the pearly gates knowing I got some of it in. It's like dying before getting laid, but you had a chance with an ugly girl and took it, nothing wrong there. Now I get the ugly girl and the hot girl. Works for me, and I'm all practiced up for the hot girl. I'm actually more excited now that I have the leaks, because before I had almost lost interest in GN'R, but the leaks brought back all level of high interest! LOL. Peace, a. I agree with this completely. I know downloading the leaks is wrong but I was very eager to hear the music and I wasn't sure when or if I would ever get to, and that music has had a great impact on me and continues to. Now, it can only be better getting to hear the songs in their completed format as the band wants them to be heard. Like Aaron said, hearing this music has made me so much more excited for the album, even if I've heard some of it already, in a incomplete state. And now, so close to the album? I've stopped listening to the leaks. I've gone back to the live versions from Pittsburg 2002 and Rock in Rio 3. Oh yeah, and "Oh My God' :D This is going to make the first listen of the CD even more exciting. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 16, 2008, 07:15:38 PM Anyone think we may see some kind of official announcement tonight regarding this track list? I think an official confirmation or denial would end a whole lot of debating and confusion among fans. : ok: Hopefully at the very least Mysteron might have some update to give us?.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lucs on October 16, 2008, 07:16:36 PM Anyone think we may see some kind of official announcement tonight regarding this track list? I think an official confirmation or denial would end a whole lot of debating and confusion among fans. : ok: Hopefully at the very least Mysteron might have some update to give us?.. Yeah I'm waiting with some other french fans, it's 1.15am here, we'd like to know if we can go to bed ? ;D Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 07:20:53 PM Some people are bummed because they expected the release of this album to match the last release of original works from Guns N' Roses, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2. I wonder how many of those same people thought UYI wasn't great at first because it wasn't AFD.... I thought Chinese Democracy would be a huge musical acomplishment and unique expression of unparalleled creativity, but for the time being it appears to be a mere mortal rocking album thats only fucking brilliant. If you look back at what GN'R has gone through since the last album was released, wouldn't you still think it was a huge accomplishment, and not only musically, to get the album released? and by the way, as far as the "you stole the song so why are you complaining" BS, at least 5 of these songs have been played live very often. Unless you went to multiple shows on the tours, you wouldn't really know the songs. But things are a bit different if you downloaded them, either pirated versions or live recordings. MOst every major music publication i;ve read has done some sort of write up on the leaks and the live material. Didnt one review cover the leaks song by song as an album review would? Point being, an 80% complete initial reaction has already been made by the people who will or would have written reviews. And now you know why we're against leaks on this site. Thanks for explaining it so nicely. : ok: At the end of the day, I'm still amazed of the ones who feel "let down". This is the moment you all claim you've been awaiting for since 1993. And what happens? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:22:02 PM to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. Dude - did you read what you wrote, before you posted? You stole the music, which you wouldn't have done if Axl told you to wait...and now you are bummed because you have been listening to these stolen songs, and it is a letdown? :confused:i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. i wouldnt have listened if Axl said the album was coming, but he didnt, so i listened because frankly i (we?) were desperate for new material. To say someone stole the music is kind of leap. I'd be more than willing to pay for it, but we were never given a sense of when or if we'd ever get the chance. hypothetically...say the leaks come out, but we never get to where we are now, 5 weeks short of a release. At what point would you or anyone else then listen to the leaks? Are you willing to say you'd go to the grave never having heard those songs, on principle? Of course not because that's ridiculous. So everyone has a line. For Better, IRS, CD etc, my line was "i already heard em live" for the rest it was "we've heard nothing indicating these will come out, and it's been 13 years already (for me)" for what it's worth, the leaks i downloaded off limewire i've set it so those songs specifically cant be uploaded by anyone off my computer, so i'm not sharing them. And i will be buying every single one of them probably twice (assuming an Itunes release) so it's not like i "stole" them as a replacement for physical property. I downloaded them in temporary lieu of physical product with the hope of replacing them with official, sanctioned releases. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: -Jack- on October 16, 2008, 07:26:25 PM lol at people saying they downloaded the music because they "didn't know the album was coming" and "were desperate for new material" :hihi: :hihi:
Obviously the album was coming eventually. For those disappointed, you spoiled the album for yourselves, and people even WARNED you about it. Having downloaded the leaks and listened to them, I'm still very excited for the album, and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have the balls to complain about it since it would be MY fault I've heard most of it. lollllllllllllll.... people : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RoCoKiN on October 16, 2008, 07:28:33 PM It's all about the liner notes...that's gonna be some interesting stuff!!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:31:53 PM Some people are bummed because they expected the release of this album to match the last release of original works from Guns N' Roses, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2. I wonder how many of those same people thought UYI wasn't great at first because it wasn't AFD.... I thought Chinese Democracy would be a huge musical acomplishment and unique expression of unparalleled creativity, but for the time being it appears to be a mere mortal rocking album thats only fucking brilliant. If you look back at what GN'R has gone through since the last album was released, wouldn't you still think it was a huge accomplishment, and not only musically, to get the album released? and by the way, as far as the "you stole the song so why are you complaining" BS, at least 5 of these songs have been played live very often. Unless you went to multiple shows on the tours, you wouldn't really know the songs. But things are a bit different if you downloaded them, either pirated versions or live recordings. MOst every major music publication i;ve read has done some sort of write up on the leaks and the live material. Didnt one review cover the leaks song by song as an album review would? Point being, an 80% complete initial reaction has already been made by the people who will or would have written reviews. And now you know why we're against leaks on this site. Thanks for explaining it so nicely. : ok: At the end of the day, I'm still amazed of the ones who feel "let down". This is the moment you all claim you've been awaiting for since 1993. And what happens? /jarmo is there ANYONE on this board who heard of Better and didnt at least check it up on youtube multiple times? The show i went to was Dec 6, 06, when everyone already knew better was out and there were multiple live recordings on youtube. Were we supposed to not watch those? At the very least, the most pious, legal minded person on this board who would never download leaks, has most likely heard Madagascar, Better, the Blues, CD and IRS many many times on youtube. i get why the board, you and the band are against leaks. I would have much preferred it didnt leak, but given the circumstances of the wait and the multiple false starts and the lack of communication from the band as to what/ when/ why, it should be at least understandable that people listened to them. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 07:32:13 PM Some people are bummed because they expected the release of this album to match the last release of original works from Guns N' Roses, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2. I wonder how many of those same people thought UYI wasn't great at first because it wasn't AFD.... I thought Chinese Democracy would be a huge musical acomplishment and unique expression of unparalleled creativity, but for the time being it appears to be a mere mortal rocking album thats only fucking brilliant. If you look back at what GN'R has gone through since the last album was released, wouldn't you still think it was a huge accomplishment, and not only musically, to get the album released? and by the way, as far as the "you stole the song so why are you complaining" BS, at least 5 of these songs have been played live very often. Unless you went to multiple shows on the tours, you wouldn't really know the songs. But things are a bit different if you downloaded them, either pirated versions or live recordings. MOst every major music publication i;ve read has done some sort of write up on the leaks and the live material. Didnt one review cover the leaks song by song as an album review would? Point being, an 80% complete initial reaction has already been made by the people who will or would have written reviews. And now you know why we're against leaks on this site. Thanks for explaining it so nicely. : ok: At the end of the day, I'm still amazed of the ones who feel "let down". This is the moment you all claim you've been awaiting for since 1993. And what happens? /jarmo So Jarmo, are you still pleading the 5th on whether this set is legit? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 16, 2008, 07:32:28 PM but what do you expect from the kids, when christmas is postponed for years and years? those kids have even grown up and still believe in santa. that's something. i saw listening to the leaks more like opening those small doors on my advent calendar... and i still don't know all the presents i'll get. so, i'm a bit ambivalent when i look at the tracklist, but still excited. Christmas wasn't postponed. You just didn't know what Christmas THAT gift was gonna be under the tree. Then when you knew it was closer than ever, you decided not to wait. /jarmo ;) yeah well, n 2006 "santa" threw 4 or 5 presents live from the stage to me... I didn't unwrap shit ! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:37:47 PM lol at people saying they downloaded the music because they "didn't know the album was coming" and "were desperate for new material" :hihi: :hihi: Obviously the album was coming eventually. For those disappointed, you spoiled the album for yourselves, and people even WARNED you about it. Having downloaded the leaks and listened to them, I'm still very excited for the album, and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have the balls to complain about it since it would be MY fault I've heard most of it. lollllllllllllll.... people : ok: the album was "obviously" coming in 1999 when OMG and the rolling stone article came out. It was "obviously" coming in 2001 after rock in rio, it was "obviously" coming in 2002 after MTV, it was "obviously" coming in 2006 after a successful tour and Axl saying he hoped it'd be out by March the next year...back to my point above: at what point do you say "gee, it might never come, i'm gonna listen to these songs"? How long do you reasonably wait? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 07:38:57 PM to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. Dude - did you read what you wrote, before you posted? You stole the music, which you wouldn't have done if Axl told you to wait...and now you are bummed because you have been listening to these stolen songs, and it is a letdown? :confused:i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. i wouldnt have listened if Axl said the album was coming, but he didnt, so i listened because frankly i (we?) were desperate for new material. To say someone stole the music is kind of leap. I'd be more than willing to pay for it, but we were never given a sense of when or if we'd ever get the chance. hypothetically...say the leaks come out, but we never get to where we are now, 5 weeks short of a release. At what point would you or anyone else then listen to the leaks? Are you willing to say you'd go to the grave never having heard those songs, on principle? Of course not because that's ridiculous. So everyone has a line. For Better, IRS, CD etc, my line was "i already heard em live" for the rest it was "we've heard nothing indicating these will come out, and it's been 13 years already (for me)" for what it's worth, the leaks i downloaded off limewire i've set it so those songs specifically cant be uploaded by anyone off my computer, so i'm not sharing them. And i will be buying every single one of them probably twice (assuming an Itunes release) so it's not like i "stole" them as a replacement for physical property. I downloaded them in temporary lieu of physical product with the hope of replacing them with official, sanctioned releases. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 16, 2008, 07:40:49 PM lol at people saying they downloaded the music because they "didn't know the album was coming" and "were desperate for new material" :hihi: :hihi: Well said. I am not judging anyone - its between you and your God - but how can you justify complaining if you gave in? I have only one thing to complain about - tomorrow is Oct.17th and not Nov. 23rd. :hihi:Obviously the album was coming eventually. For those disappointed, you spoiled the album for yourselves, and people even WARNED you about it. Having downloaded the leaks and listened to them, I'm still very excited for the album, and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have the balls to complain about it since it would be MY fault I've heard most of it. lollllllllllllll.... people : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 16, 2008, 07:41:08 PM lol at people saying they downloaded the music because they "didn't know the album was coming" and "were desperate for new material" :hihi: :hihi: Obviously the album was coming eventually. For those disappointed, you spoiled the album for yourselves, and people even WARNED you about it. Having downloaded the leaks and listened to them, I'm still very excited for the album, and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have the balls to complain about it since it would be MY fault I've heard most of it. lollllllllllllll.... people : ok: I never said I was disappointed. I willingly chose to listen to the new music when it surfaced, but if anything it has kept me more interested in following the GNR news and now I'm more excited about the album than I might have been before. I personally wouldn't give a shit if the whole album was just the 8 or 9 songs that have already come out, whether live or leaks. I consider it a bonus that there'll be another 3 or 4 songs that are completely brand new. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 07:41:20 PM is there ANYONE on this board who heard of Better and didnt at least check it up on youtube multiple times? On one hand you talk about the general public and on the other you talk about fans like yourself. Make up your mind. Yes, it's possible some casual fans thought the new material was great and went on Youtube looking for it. So they heard other live versions. It's not really the same as listening to the album on your stereo.... it should be at least understandable that people listened to them. I understand people wanting to hear new music. That's not the point. The point is some of you not taking any responsibility for the choices you made. You chose to download and listen. Nobody forced you no matter how much you claim otherwise. The proof is the fact that many people here didn't make the same choice you did. You chose to open the presents because you didn't know what day it would be ok to open them. It just wasn't enough to know that the day would come. You had to know when. Now you're all upset because the date is almost here and you already ruined some of the surprises. So you blame Santa Claus! /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 07:41:46 PM lol at people saying they downloaded the music because they "didn't know the album was coming" and "were desperate for new material" :hihi: :hihi: Obviously the album was coming eventually. For those disappointed, you spoiled the album for yourselves, and people even WARNED you about it. Having downloaded the leaks and listened to them, I'm still very excited for the album, and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have the balls to complain about it since it would be MY fault I've heard most of it. lollllllllllllll.... people : ok: the album was "obviously" coming in 1999 when OMG and the rolling stone article came out. It was "obviously" coming in 2001 after rock in rio, it was "obviously" coming in 2002 after MTV, it was "obviously" coming in 2006 after a successful tour and Axl saying he hoped it'd be out by March the next year...back to my point above: at what point do you say "gee, it might never come, i'm gonna listen to these songs"? How long do you reasonably wait? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:47:22 PM to be clear, i will buy the album and probably each song on itunes, so chalk me up for two.....however, i listened to all the leaks and burned most of them to CDs or ipod. Why? because it'd been a long time and we had no reason to think the album was coming anytime soon, as of the last leaks. If Axl would have written a note saying "the album IS coming, please wait to hear it as a singular entity" or something to that effect, i personally would have held off. Dude - did you read what you wrote, before you posted? You stole the music, which you wouldn't have done if Axl told you to wait...and now you are bummed because you have been listening to these stolen songs, and it is a letdown? :confused:i dont mean to bring negativity to something i've been waiting 13 years for, it's just a bit of let down when i can sing probably 4-7 of the songs along with the track on first listen. i wouldnt have listened if Axl said the album was coming, but he didnt, so i listened because frankly i (we?) were desperate for new material. To say someone stole the music is kind of leap. I'd be more than willing to pay for it, but we were never given a sense of when or if we'd ever get the chance. hypothetically...say the leaks come out, but we never get to where we are now, 5 weeks short of a release. At what point would you or anyone else then listen to the leaks? Are you willing to say you'd go to the grave never having heard those songs, on principle? Of course not because that's ridiculous. So everyone has a line. For Better, IRS, CD etc, my line was "i already heard em live" for the rest it was "we've heard nothing indicating these will come out, and it's been 13 years already (for me)" for what it's worth, the leaks i downloaded off limewire i've set it so those songs specifically cant be uploaded by anyone off my computer, so i'm not sharing them. And i will be buying every single one of them probably twice (assuming an Itunes release) so it's not like i "stole" them as a replacement for physical property. I downloaded them in temporary lieu of physical product with the hope of replacing them with official, sanctioned releases. i never made the assumption it wasnt coming out, but common sense seems to dictate time was the enemy of the album's release. Hypothetically Axl is the one person who would never say it wasnt coming out. But i had read many what seemed to be reasonably informed sources, saying the album was dead (purported label execs, etc) on another board i had a sound engineer who worked on the album tell me Axl had nothing done vocally about 3 years ago...point being it's dishonest to say there were never any legitmate concerns that the album was dead. of course i'm excited as hell for the album. I've waited longer for this than anything in my life and been through a lot directly for this band/ album, as my name will attest. And if he's actually got three albums canned, then we get two whole new albums. But from a marketing perspective, which is what my original posts were concerned with, it would seem to make sense to have the hyped comeback album be completely new, with the exception of the title track which obviously has to be on the album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 07:49:46 PM But from a marketing perspective, which is what my original posts were concerned with, it would seem to make sense to have the hyped comeback album be completely new, with the exception of the title track which obviously has to be on the album. But the songs are new to most people.... November Rain or Don't Cry weren't new when they were released officially. It didn't stop them from becoming what they are today, classics. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 07:56:27 PM Some people are bummed because they expected the release of this album to match the last release of original works from Guns N' Roses, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2. I wonder how many of those same people thought UYI wasn't great at first because it wasn't AFD.... Sorry, I was referring to volume of new songs is all, not style - for me Illusions is a huge acomplishment that still offers new exploration and thrills. I thought Chinese Democracy would be a huge musical acomplishment and unique expression of unparalleled creativity, but for the time being it appears to be a mere mortal rocking album thats only fucking brilliant. If you look back at what GN'R has gone through since the last album was released, wouldn't you still think it was a huge accomplishment, and not only musically, to get the album released? /jarmo Yes and no, being ignorant of what has actually been the fundamental reasons for such long periods of inactivity I can only imagine. Looking back over the last 8 years,excluding the live shows and some other brief periods, it seems most of the members of Guns N' Roses have kept themselves busy with their solo work have not been working on this album. So who knows where the the real story lies or when it will be told, if ever. I have my own thoughts on such matters, I have a massive respect for Axl Rose and I feel a connection to him through his words, deeds and music. My own thoughts on what some of the personal matters are, that may have made this whole process slower to many people than what they would consider to be the norm, are no more than my own thoughts and considerations. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the greatest achievment in the history of Guns N'Roses, I cant imagine how many times Axl has pulled the plug and walked away, only to suck it up and struggle on. The turning point for me, this is no word of a lie, was in 2006 to see Axl Rose looking so comfortable with himself, so happy,content and pleased to be where he was and with what he was doing. Thats when I knew that one day he would release this album. Prior to that he seemed a shadow of himself, he really did. I think the day this album is released the weight of the world will be lifted from his shoulders and I am completely thrilled for him. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:57:11 PM is there ANYONE on this board who heard of Better and didnt at least check it up on youtube multiple times? On one hand you talk about the general public and on the other you talk about fans like yourself. Make up your mind. Yes, it's possible some casual fans thought the new material was great and went on Youtube looking for it. So they heard other live versions. It's not really the same as listening to the album on your stereo.... it should be at least understandable that people listened to them. I understand people wanting to hear new music. That's not the point. The point is some of you not taking any responsibility for the choices you made. You chose to download and listen. Nobody forced you no matter how much you claim otherwise. The proof is the fact that many people here didn't make the same choice you did. You chose to open the presents because you didn't know what day it would be ok to open them. It just wasn't enough to know that the day would come. You had to know when. Now you're all upset because the date is almost here and you already ruined some of the surprises. So you blame Santa Claus! /jarmo saying i lacked responsibility for my choice seems to be making a bit much out of this. The only thing ruined for me, one among the many die hards, is the initial reaction. This isnt like seeing half a movie before it comes out, because whereas i'll watch the movie once, twice, three times, i'll listen to great songs 100s or 1000s of times. So while it is my fault i wont have the initial excitement of hearing completely new stuff, that would only last a short while. if you read what i initially said, my concern was with how this affects the marketing of the album and the reviews of it. My having listened to the leaks is of no concern either way to the reviewer who has when he writes his coloumn. That they exist at all is the focus, because his job isnt to promote GnR, it's to report on GnR. And his reporting will reflect the lack of an initial, complete reaction. as an aside, have you, Jarmo, listened to If the World prior to the movie, or Catcher in the Rye or the other non-sanctioned (lets be honest) leaks? And if not, at what point would you have listened to them? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 16, 2008, 07:57:45 PM But from a marketing perspective, which is what my original posts were concerned with, it would seem to make sense to have the hyped comeback album be completely new, with the exception of the title track which obviously has to be on the album. But the songs are new to most people.... November Rain or Don't Cry weren't new when they were released officially. It didn't stop them from becoming what they are today, classics. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 07:58:59 PM lol at people saying they downloaded the music because they "didn't know the album was coming" and "were desperate for new material" :hihi: :hihi: Obviously the album was coming eventually. For those disappointed, you spoiled the album for yourselves, and people even WARNED you about it. Having downloaded the leaks and listened to them, I'm still very excited for the album, and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have the balls to complain about it since it would be MY fault I've heard most of it. lollllllllllllll.... people : ok: the album was "obviously" coming in 1999 when OMG and the rolling stone article came out. It was "obviously" coming in 2001 after rock in rio, it was "obviously" coming in 2002 after MTV, it was "obviously" coming in 2006 after a successful tour and Axl saying he hoped it'd be out by March the next year...back to my point above: at what point do you say "gee, it might never come, i'm gonna listen to these songs"? How long do you reasonably wait? obviously i'm expressing a selfish concern...again, i will direct to my initial post here which was about the marketing of an album which has for all intents and purposes already been 75% released. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 07:59:43 PM Oh Lord, I hope we get an update ASAP so we can end all this debating over leak ethics. ::)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 08:00:14 PM So who knows where the the real story lies or when it will be told, if ever. Quote from: Axl To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insane amount of obstacles faced by all involved, notwithstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone -- the fans, the band, our road crew and business team -- has at many times seemed like a bad dream in which one wakes up only to find that they are still in the nightmare. Unfortunately, this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life. The true, ongoing, behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that the media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time, various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome-- especially one that wouldn?t jeopardize the band or the album. It?s easy for people to point out how others have handled similar situations or how they would have dealt with these issues themselves if they encountered them in their own lives. But again, without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, these types of comments or commentary are just uninformed, disassociated, generally useless -- and often hindering --speculation. There you have it. Now please move on. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 16, 2008, 08:04:43 PM So who knows where the the real story lies or when it will be told, if ever. Quote from: Axl To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insane amount of obstacles faced by all involved, notwithstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone -- the fans, the band, our road crew and business team -- has at many times seemed like a bad dream in which one wakes up only to find that they are still in the nightmare. Unfortunately, this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life. The true, ongoing, behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that the media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time, various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome-- especially one that wouldn?t jeopardize the band or the album. It?s easy for people to point out how others have handled similar situations or how they would have dealt with these issues themselves if they encountered them in their own lives. But again, without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, these types of comments or commentary are just uninformed, disassociated, generally useless -- and often hindering --speculation. There you have it. Now please move on. /jarmo Have what Jarmo? That tells me nothing. Its a long winded way of reaffirming the fact that we dont know anything without revealing anything whatsoever. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 08:05:45 PM So who knows where the the real story lies or when it will be told, if ever. Quote from: Axl To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insane amount of obstacles faced by all involved, notwithstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone -- the fans, the band, our road crew and business team -- has at many times seemed like a bad dream in which one wakes up only to find that they are still in the nightmare. Unfortunately, this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life. The true, ongoing, behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that the media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time, various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome-- especially one that wouldn?t jeopardize the band or the album. It?s easy for people to point out how others have handled similar situations or how they would have dealt with these issues themselves if they encountered them in their own lives. But again, without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, these types of comments or commentary are just uninformed, disassociated, generally useless -- and often hindering --speculation. There you have it. Now please move on. /jarmo Have what Jarmo? That tells me nothing. Its a long winded way of reaffirming the fact that we dont know anything without revealing anything whatsoever. This is sooooo pointless....Mysteron where are you?! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 08:06:01 PM But from a marketing perspective, which is what my original posts were concerned with, it would seem to make sense to have the hyped comeback album be completely new, with the exception of the title track which obviously has to be on the album. But the songs are new to most people.... November Rain or Don't Cry weren't new when they were released officially. It didn't stop them from becoming what they are today, classics. /jarmo in 1991 there were like 3 rock music magazines and the only way you knew of Rock in Rio is if you were there. Look how quickly this present news has spread about the release. The AM news only radio station where i live had a by line about Axl Rose finally releasing his album etc etc. The info is all over the place and is readily available for anyone. Does ayone think every review wont be something like "After 17 years and untold millions of dollars, Guns n Roses is finally releasing Chinese Democracy. The album contains 14 songs, 10 of which have been floating around the internet for months and in some cases up to 7 years...". The label is concerned about getting their money back, hence the exclusive deal, and now more than ever movies and album releases hinge on opening week numbers to generate buzz. With that in mind, i just think it's a poor marketing decision. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 08:15:20 PM That tells me nothing. Its a long winded way of reaffirming the fact that we dont know anything without revealing anything whatsoever. Why the hell do you need details? It's been a rocky road. Why isn't that enough for you? Fucking amazing how you like to focus on this now. During the most exciting days we've seen! You have the release date, so you focus on "but it's not the songs I wanted" or "but it took too long". You probably said that it took too long five years ago. Leave those comments in 2003. The album contains 14 songs, 10 of which have been floating around the internet for months and in some cases up to 7 years...". Who do you make music for then? The fucking reviewers or yourself? Honestly. If you should be angry at somebody, it's the people who decided to put these songs online. They ruined it for you, they fucked up things for the band, they ruined it for the people marketing the album (as you put it) and so on. But you're not doing that. You're just pointing out how the songs were leaked and how the band shouldn't have released their music based on that. You're not angry at the car thief, you're angry at the car owner. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jack49 on October 16, 2008, 08:20:05 PM But from a marketing perspective, which is what my original posts were concerned with, it would seem to make sense to have the hyped comeback album be completely new, with the exception of the title track which obviously has to be on the album. But the songs are new to most people.... November Rain or Don't Cry weren't new when they were released officially. It didn't stop them from becoming what they are today, classics. /jarmo in 1991 there were like 3 rock music magazines and the only way you knew of Rock in Rio is if you were there. Look how quickly this present news has spread about the release. The AM news only radio station where i live had a by line about Axl Rose finally releasing his album etc etc. The info is all over the place and is readily available for anyone. Does ayone think every review wont be something like "After 17 years and untold millions of dollars, Guns n Roses is finally releasing Chinese Democracy. The album contains 14 songs, 10 of which have been floating around the internet for months and in some cases up to 7 years...". The label is concerned about getting their money back, hence the exclusive deal, and now more than ever movies and album releases hinge on opening week numbers to generate buzz. With that in mind, i just think it's a poor marketing decision. Poor marketing? How so? The marketing of the this album has only begun with the Best Buy deal. I am floored by all this negative drivel by these people who are disappointed that all the songs some of us have already heard are indeed shockingly a majority of the songs on the album. MOST of the world has NOT heard these songs. There great songs, enjoy them. I am so pleased that the good songs I heard are gonna be heard on the album and they were not put aside because they were not "fresh" to bunch of die hards who wont be happy anyways.. I mean if 6 of the leaks were not on 14 song tracklist... This entire thread would be about "Where did all the songs we been hearing go?" This is rediculous Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Christian on October 16, 2008, 08:28:03 PM the album isn't released yet and people are saying shits about marketing and setlist? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: cotis on October 16, 2008, 08:43:33 PM this is hilarious.
people bitching about stuff they aren't even sure about yet! we won't know anything until an official release. it would be nice if the track list was true on Best Buy, but who knows...it could be a ploy by Best Buy to screw with fanatical GNR fans that will go crazy at the littlest thing (...think it's working? :hihi: ) Mysteron said at the earliest an announcement would be Thursday, today. give it some time, RELAX, and let things play out people. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 08:44:48 PM if you have some pro and contra arguments, trying to see things not only in black and white, there's not much space here sometimes. it's a bit sad, that these discussions always get so polarising and personal.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 16, 2008, 08:45:59 PM I can't believe some of the negativity on this board...well i can because it is nothing new...Im not talking about the majority of you, but a small minority...THIS IS A GREAT DAY...A FUCKING TRACKLIST FOR SOMETHING WE HAVE WAITED OVER A DECADE FOR!!! So what if you have heard a good portion of the songs? They are great songs! And I have heard most of them and I am more excited now then I ever was...for those of you complaining Bumblefoot even said alot of what you heard were not finished versions...How could anyone be complaining today?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 09:03:24 PM Even if you heard some/most of the songs, they were incomplete unfinished versions. Now you will get to hear finished mastered and mixed versions. : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 16, 2008, 09:06:06 PM Even if you heard some/most of the songs, they were incomplete unfinished versions. Now you will get to hear finished mastered and mixed versions. : ok: exactly...having some songs downloaded off the internet means nothing to me...I care about things like the album cover, the artwork, liner notes, song order and the whole package that is album....Thats what I care about...the fact that I have had a few of these songs downloaded for a while means NOTHING to me...im still buying every version there is... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 16, 2008, 09:10:16 PM I can't believe some of the negativity on this board...well i can because it is nothing new...Im not talking about the majority of you, but a small minority...THIS IS A GREAT DAY...A FUCKING TRACKLIST FOR SOMETHING WE HAVE WAITED OVER A DECADE FOR!!! So what if you have heard a good portion of the songs? They are great songs! And I have heard most of them and I am more excited now then I ever was...for those of you complaining Bumblefoot even said alot of what you heard were not finished versions...How could anyone be complaining today? Even if you don't consider reworked vocals, extra guitar parts, string additions etc, there is going to be a big different just in the way the sounds sound with proper mixing etc. For instance, the difference between the leaked version of "If the World" and the final version as it was heard in the movie. There are no major changes to the song itself from what I've heard (apart from a new guitar lead going into a chorus), but the drums are much heavier, the bass line is more defined and together with the drums drives the song with a killer groove. Pitman's synth/strings also don't sound so flat - it gives the song a fuckin epic, cinematic feel. And of course, Axl's vocals lead the song, strong and clear in the mix. You might have heard this song hundred times already but when I heard it during the film I was blown away all over again. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 09:10:29 PM Yea, I cant wait to see the liner notes, cover art, and all that has to do with CD
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on October 16, 2008, 09:11:23 PM I can't believe some of the negativity on this board...well i can because it is nothing new...Im not talking about the majority of you, but a small minority...THIS IS A GREAT DAY...A FUCKING TRACKLIST FOR SOMETHING WE HAVE WAITED OVER A DECADE FOR!!! So what if you have heard a good portion of the songs? They are great songs! And I have heard most of them and I am more excited now then I ever was...for those of you complaining Bumblefoot even said alot of what you heard were not finished versions...How could anyone be complaining today? Agreed! I'm excited for the rest of the world to be exposed to what many of us already know. I'm curious why Axl changed the name from The Blues to Street of Dreams. If I heard that song on the radio I'd assume it was called The Blues and would look it up under The Blues. The average person may hear it, like it, but not realize that Street of Dreams is that song. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 09:12:14 PM You will be able to walk into a store and buy Chinese Democracy.
That alone should generate enough excitement for quite a while for GN'R fans. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Chad Cometh on October 16, 2008, 09:12:23 PM only 4 new songs....... :( There are actually a whole album of new songs. Now if you had done what Axl and the band wished and not downloaded the leaks like some of us then you would be just as excited as us. **ends father mode** Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: russtcb on October 16, 2008, 09:13:31 PM It's like faldors been saying all day; people wanted to hear new music on the tours, people wanted songs to leak. Now they don't want the album to contain anything they've heard. Strange.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 09:13:41 PM But from a marketing perspective, which is what my original posts were concerned with, it would seem to make sense to have the hyped comeback album be completely new, with the exception of the title track which obviously has to be on the album. But the songs are new to most people.... November Rain or Don't Cry weren't new when they were released officially. It didn't stop them from becoming what they are today, classics. /jarmo you are totally right. catcher and better for example: im looking forward to hearing these songs in their final versions. they are nothing but stunning and have the potential to become classics. like the songs you mentioned. it doesn't matter if you already heard them (and most people haven't). you will probably love em more when you get them in a proper version. but i think that some people - and that's because they know the demos - are a little disappointed that axl (after all those years) also chose some songs that might not be at that great level (e.g. riad, irs). Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on October 16, 2008, 09:15:09 PM You will be able to walk into a store and buy Chinese Democracy. It's more than enough for me. I can't wait to plop down $20 and get the album and some change.That alone should generate enough excitement for quite a while for GN'R fans. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Chad Cometh on October 16, 2008, 09:18:10 PM To the people saying it's our fault that we downloaded the leaks I say NO !: SEVEN SONGS were already played live (its not illegal to go to a concert and listen to the songs being played !) Chinese Democracy Street Of Dreams (The Blues) Better There Was A Time Riad N' The Bedovins I.R.S. Madagascar and two of them were already released elsewhere 3. Shackler's Revenge 5. If The World so that leaves us with only two illegally downloaded tracks: Prostitute (if it's the unknown song number two) and catcher (if it is really catcher in the rye) 7 TO 2... SO I MOSTLY BLAME THE BAND. :P Sheesh! So I take it you have only heard the songs live, when you went to a gig. You don't have them downloaded at all? That would mean you've heard LIVE versions only and then only a couple of times each AT THE MOST. You should be PUMPED to hear them over and over again in high quality. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: vicente on October 16, 2008, 09:27:12 PM "You try and hold me down
With your complaints You cry and moan and complain You whine an tear" Man, we're beyond crazy, we're borderline esquizofrenic... How come we spend 10 years or more demanding, asking, begging for news and when they come we bitch about the very news we've been asking for?! Those who think the CD is full of "known" songs don't see two things: every band perform new songs live before they release them on an album and, yes, shit (or leaks) happens to almost every band. I, for one, am glad that I could see my favourite band live on RIR 3, where not only they performed the classic songs which I loved and made me a fan in the first place, but also brand new songs from an album I was and I would expect for years to come. Those brand new songs transformed me from a huge fan to a follower. And since then I've been seeking for every single piece of news and information from this band, avid for words such as "RELEASE DATE", "COVER ART", "TRACKLIST". And now, here they are. At last. And I'm happy. And above it all, I'm happy that I'll hear those songs I've heard live in 2001, or on youtube videos of other shows, or in the end credits of a movie, or on a videogame, all at once, and with the certainty that this time I'm gonna hear it the way the band wanted me to hear it. The way they spent years perfecting it to be the best piece of work they could make. And, man, I'm really looking forward to it. : : Vicente : : Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wight gunner on October 16, 2008, 09:31:13 PM So the Rubber in your wallet has passed its used by date, buy another in-case that hot chick you've had your eye on decide to say "go to town" - your GNR song virginity is always broken the first time you hear it, will it stop your hearing it again? not if you are anything like me you won't.
Its abit like getting laid with somebody new, it won't be the same as the last bird. I don't regret listening to leaks, are they the finished article? Better, Maddy et al you've heard live won't be anything close to an album. The quality with the real deal will also be better. Still there's always the next album to look to, in "saving yourself for" if you don't like your experience this time round, be strong, restrain yourself next time, and look forward to using a wallet full of rubbers next time. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: freedom78 on October 16, 2008, 09:32:48 PM Can't believe some people are bitching. ::)
Anyway, looking forward to hearing the album. Because songs can be good, but it's the album, as a whole, that is a true work of art. All the songs, in an order designed to take you from one experience to another. :drool: That's where the real joy of it is. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 16, 2008, 09:45:52 PM We haven't heard the real versions of any of the songs except for Shackler's, and 90 seconds of If The World
If The World in the movie sounded pristine. I can't wait to hear the songs the way they are meant to be heard. For example I think IRS on the album is going to capture the raw, massive sound of it live. These songs all have so many layers and nuances that, as great as they are, they can't be fully appreciated until you hear the final product Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 16, 2008, 09:58:59 PM People are going to complain if the booklet is made of recycled materials.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wheres Izzy on October 16, 2008, 09:59:34 PM I'm pretty pumped that "Catcher" is on there. I was disappointed by a false report a while back with a tracklisting where it wasn't mentioned.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 16, 2008, 10:01:24 PM I'm pretty pumped that "Catcher" is on there. I was disappointed by a false report a while back with a tracklisting where it wasn't mentioned. yeah, i know quite how you feel. catcher is maybe my all time gnr favorite... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 16, 2008, 10:11:21 PM I'm pretty pumped that "Catcher" is on there. I was disappointed by a false report a while back with a tracklisting where it wasn't mentioned. yeah, i know quite how you feel. catcher is maybe my all time gnr favorite... Same here. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: HoldenCaulfield on October 16, 2008, 10:13:28 PM I'm completely satisfied with the track-listing, there are some amazing songs on there. It just seems weird how it looks to have been quickly thrown together, with the spelling errors and whatnot. Weird. For what it's worth, I TOTALLY think 'Madagascar' should close out the album, though. I think it would if this were a concept album ;)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: crayallica on October 16, 2008, 10:21:41 PM posted on billboard.com
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003874830 and a blood curdling Axl scream doesn't open my leak of the song "Chinese Democracy", so maybe they are very different versions. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on October 16, 2008, 10:31:29 PM I am at a loss for words I'm so fucking happy. :love: So many years. I think I'm most happy for Axl...November is going to be unreal!!! :beer:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Continental Drift on October 16, 2008, 10:33:13 PM I'm pretty pumped that "Catcher" is on there. I was disappointed by a false report a while back with a tracklisting where it wasn't mentioned. yeah, i know quite how you feel. catcher is maybe my all time gnr favorite... Same here. THIRDED. "Catcher" is right there with "Estranged" and "Rocket Queen" on my best of the best of the best list. Absolutely phenomenal song.: ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNRreunioneventually on October 16, 2008, 11:03:26 PM November is set to be a kick ass month for me, new president to make fun of, Metallica concert :headbanger: and CHINESE DEMOCRACY :headbanger: x5
:peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 11:03:46 PM That tells me nothing. Its a long winded way of reaffirming the fact that we dont know anything without revealing anything whatsoever. Why the hell do you need details? It's been a rocky road. Why isn't that enough for you? Fucking amazing how you like to focus on this now. During the most exciting days we've seen! You have the release date, so you focus on "but it's not the songs I wanted" or "but it took too long". You probably said that it took too long five years ago. Leave those comments in 2003. The album contains 14 songs, 10 of which have been floating around the internet for months and in some cases up to 7 years...". Who do you make music for then? The fucking reviewers or yourself? Honestly. If you should be angry at somebody, it's the people who decided to put these songs online. They ruined it for you, they fucked up things for the band, they ruined it for the people marketing the album (as you put it) and so on. But you're not doing that. You're just pointing out how the songs were leaked and how the band shouldn't have released their music based on that. You're not angry at the car thief, you're angry at the car owner. /jarmo of course you make music for yourself, but froma label point of view they have to worry about things like this. There's no point being mad at the leaker at this point because it cant be undone, which is why i think they should have tried to maneuver around it. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: COMAMOTIVE on October 16, 2008, 11:04:07 PM I'm pretty pumped that "Catcher" is on there. I was disappointed by a false report a while back with a tracklisting where it wasn't mentioned. yeah, i know quite how you feel. catcher is maybe my all time gnr favorite... Same here. THIRDED. "Catcher" is right there with "Estranged" and "Rocket Queen" on my best of the best of the best list. Absolutely phenomenal song.: ok: It's not there for me, but I believe TWAT can hold it's own with the classics. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 11:07:29 PM What i think is interesting and great is that even us hard core fans have differing opinions on all the songs. Some say that catcher is among GNR's greatest songs, and then others say they disagree but think TWAT is among GNR's greatest. Ive also heard many say this about better, the blue, maddy, and so on. : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: novemberparadise23 on October 16, 2008, 11:08:11 PM Basically im saying that there is probably gonna be something on this album for everyone to like.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 16, 2008, 11:08:47 PM I definitely look forward to finished versions of these songs.
I haven't listened to them in a very very long time, so they are once again going to be very fresh to me when I do listen. Its gonna be difficult calling The Blues something different. I really hope they changed "Street of Dreams" back to more of the RIR3 version. I don't want to sound bitchy or whiny, but RIR3's version to this day ranks up there with Estranged for me as far as emotion etc. The 2002-2006 versions didnt for some reason. I can't put my finger on exactly what is different............. it seems slower maybe? less guitar?? The way Axl sings the part at the end after the last "All in Memories" I loved at RIR3 how he did the screams seems he changed them and they don't hit my heart the same way as they do at RIR3. but anyhow I look forward to seeing some of u guys at GNR shows Im praying they come somewhere remotely close to me SO GNR, Atlanta or Nashville, or even Cincinnati Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 16, 2008, 11:09:07 PM November is set to be a kick ass month for me, new president to make fun of, Metallica concert :headbanger: and CHINESE DEMOCRACY :headbanger: x5 :peace: i get, in chrono order Chris Cornell live, the orchestra in my city is playing all 9 Beethoven symphonies in order in late Nov, Chinese Democracy, then Metallica in concert... : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 16, 2008, 11:12:04 PM even know i heard all the leaks it great there going be on the album and i can not wait hear the studio version of the songs we heard and the new songs ;D
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 16, 2008, 11:15:27 PM of course you make music for yourself, but froma label point of view they have to worry about things like this. You don't think the fact that FBI agents were arresting that guy proved anything? Maybe they believe that once people hear the real deal, it'll work out? There's no point being mad at the leaker at this point because it cant be undone, which is why i think they should have tried to maneuver around it. Funny how forgiving you can be. Were you ever upset at those people because of what they caused you? They ruined your special day...... You didn't have much of a choice, you had to listen. They basically made you. You're worried about marketing issues that are the direct result of the leaking of music before its release. So your worries are caused by these individuals. Maybe you should take it up with them and tell them how you feel? How you think they're fucking things up for the record companies and artists who want to be able to decide when the music should be heard and not have leaks affect their marketing work? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jack49 on October 16, 2008, 11:32:32 PM I'm pretty pumped that "Catcher" is on there. I was disappointed by a false report a while back with a tracklisting where it wasn't mentioned. yeah, i know quite how you feel. catcher is maybe my all time gnr favorite... Same here. THIRDED. "Catcher" is right there with "Estranged" and "Rocket Queen" on my best of the best of the best list. Absolutely phenomenal song.: ok: It's not there for me, but I believe TWAT can hold it's own with the classics. TWAT is the stuff of legend Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Satapher on October 16, 2008, 11:55:28 PM The real name for The blues is: OK NEVERMIND :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mike McKagan on October 16, 2008, 11:58:47 PM Two points that seem fairly obvious to me:
1) Anybody who is surprised that the leaks take up most of CD should go back and retake Understanding the Obvious 101. 2) Anybody who is more disappointed than excited over the recent spate of information is categorically not a Guns N' Roses fan. Questions? :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 16, 2008, 11:59:41 PM So this was neither confirmed or denied today, correct?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mike McKagan on October 17, 2008, 12:03:20 AM Correct. Still waitin' on word from Mysteron, management, gunsnroses.com, or The Man himself.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 17, 2008, 01:23:45 AM I definitely look forward to finished versions of these songs. I haven't listened to them in a very very long time, so they are once again going to be very fresh to me when I do listen. Its gonna be difficult calling The Blues something different. I really hope they changed "Street of Dreams" back to more of the RIR3 version. I don't want to sound bitchy or whiny, but RIR3's version to this day ranks up there with Estranged for me as far as emotion etc. The 2002-2006 versions didnt for some reason. I can't put my finger on exactly what is different............. it seems slower maybe? less guitar?? The way Axl sings the part at the end after the last "All in Memories" I loved at RIR3 how he did the screams seems he changed them and they don't hit my heart the same way as they do at RIR3. but anyhow I look forward to seeing some of u guys at GNR shows Im praying they come somewhere remotely close to me SO GNR, Atlanta or Nashville, or even Cincinnati Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok, nevermind ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 17, 2008, 03:42:17 AM That tells me nothing. Its a long winded way of reaffirming the fact that we dont know anything without revealing anything whatsoever. Why the hell do you need details? It's been a rocky road. Why isn't that enough for you? Fucking amazing how you like to focus on this now. During the most exciting days we've seen! You have the release date, so you focus on "but it's not the songs I wanted" or "but it took too long". You probably said that it took too long five years ago. Leave those comments in 2003. /jarmo Why are you so aggressive? I left my thoughts on the topic and you leap on the defensive and start shouting me down, you have no right to tell me or anyone what to think. I'm not focusing on one issue or any another, theres a big picture with lots of components and I'm trying to look at all of them. This is a huge event, I'm very excited about it: excited about the next tour, excited to hear from Axl sometime soon, excited to hear new songs, excited to hear the album the way it should be heard, excited about a new single and video.... I'm excited. Theres nothing wrong with saying "hmmmm... I wonder why it took so long?" Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: remcognr on October 17, 2008, 03:51:34 AM seems that they changed the tracklist:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111043&st=chinese+democracy&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1925068 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111043&st=chinese+democracy&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1925068) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 17, 2008, 03:53:25 AM seems that they changed the tracklist: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111043&st=chinese+democracy&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1925068 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111043&st=chinese+democracy&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1925068) thats the final tracklist Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: remcognr on October 17, 2008, 03:59:02 AM seems that they changed the tracklist: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111043&st=chinese+democracy&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1925068 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111043&st=chinese+democracy&lp=3&type=product&cp=1&id=1925068) thats the final tracklist yeah, that's what I think... 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Shackler's Revenge 3. Better 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. There Was A Time 7. Catcher N' The Rye 8. Scraped 9. Riad N' The Bedouins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Madagascar 13. This I Love 14. Prostitute Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 17, 2008, 04:02:26 AM That looks much better :)
Thats a killer album, IRS looks like the last rocker. Seems like the last 3 songs are a very deep and thoughtful which is nice. I wonder if Riad will have changed much from the original performances, it had a lot of potential. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 17, 2008, 04:12:42 AM I guess they learned how to spell bedouins! :rofl:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Chuzeville on October 17, 2008, 04:56:51 AM Catcher N' the rye? ::)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 17, 2008, 05:20:51 AM The real name for The blues is: OK NEVERMIND :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: funny thing is , I love it when he says it ;D it flows so well with the song at first I thought they were lyrics. ;D Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: audjon on October 17, 2008, 05:30:48 AM thats the final tracklist 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Shackler's Revenge 3. Better 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. There Was A Time 7. Catcher N' The Rye 8. Scraped 9. Riad N' The Bedouins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Madagascar 13. This I Love 14. Prostitute I'm not sure that this is the real tracklist, it could be made up by the record company to avoid further downloading. There is only one 'new' name on that tracklist. I would be surprised if weaker songs like I.R.S and Riad would end up on CD. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 17, 2008, 05:42:34 AM 1. Chinese Democracy
2. Shackler's Revenge 3. Better 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. There Was A Time 7. Catcher N' The Rye 8. Scraped 9. Riad N' The Bedouins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Madagascar 13. This I Love 14. Prostitute Ah, that looks better. The sequence of the first five songs is pretty much how I've had them set up myself. Start off with two hard rockers, go into something more melodic, then take it down a little bit more with "The Blues" leading into the funk/soul/pop of "If the World". I always thought that "There Was A Time" would be the perfect album closer, but I can see now that it would be the closer to the first half/first side of the album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axljungle on October 17, 2008, 06:27:36 AM I like this sequence much than other tracklist.
It's gonna be a GREAT N' KILLER ALBUM Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: LordRazZ on October 17, 2008, 08:00:35 AM I wonder why the setlist got changed?
J? any comments? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 17, 2008, 08:07:24 AM I wonder why the setlist got changed? J? any comments? Because the first was in the wrong order and with titles spelled wrong. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl32rose on October 17, 2008, 08:08:01 AM last three songs, madasgascar, this i love, prosititue, sounds like something along the lines of DC,NR, Estranged. Anyone else feel thay way???
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 17, 2008, 08:10:01 AM last three songs, madasgascar, this i love, prosititue, sounds like something along the lines of DC,NR, Estranged. Anyone else feel thay way??? Yes. Big expectations from This I Love then : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: 33 on October 17, 2008, 08:43:40 AM At the end of the day, I'm still amazed of the ones who feel "let down". This is the moment you all claim you've been awaiting for since 1993. And what happens? /jarmo Tell me about it Jarmo. As I have always said though, a lot of people just moan for the sake of moaning!! Just be happy people. In fact be very happy! I know I am. Does it really matter what the tracklisting is? It will be what the band have decided and that is good enough for me. Surely it is for all the fans? Mike Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: norway on October 17, 2008, 08:52:52 AM For me that has heard all leaks it's more of a new beginning now.
GunsN'Roses is coming out again and intend to release new music. There will be more albums after this one which is already completed according to Axl :peace: Whats important is that they're back in action with a new album :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 17, 2008, 09:35:16 AM thats the final tracklist 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Shackler's Revenge 3. Better 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. There Was A Time 7. Catcher N' The Rye 8. Scraped 9. Riad N' The Bedouins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Madagascar 13. This I Love 14. Prostitute I'm not sure that this is the real tracklist, it could be made up by the record company to avoid further downloading. There is only one 'new' name on that tracklist. I would be surprised if weaker songs like I.R.S and Riad would end up on CD. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 17, 2008, 09:38:30 AM I totally agree with you. There's still a mistake here, I mean: Catcher N' The Rye is like Catcher and the Rye, as the title of the book is The Catcher in the Rye.
These guys are justing messing up, the definitive tracklist will be released by the band only. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 17, 2008, 09:40:18 AM I totally agree with you. There's still a mistake here, I mean: Catcher N' The Rye is like Catcher and the Rye, as the title of the book is The Catcher in the Rye. Maybe Salinger wouldn't let them use Cather IN the Rye, so they dropped the "I". Not sure if that would be enough of a difference to avoid litigation though.These guys are justing messing up, the definitive tracklist will be released by the band only. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mr. Nik™ on October 17, 2008, 09:41:42 AM I wonder why the setlist got changed? because the first one was incorrect, I guess Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Voodoochild on October 17, 2008, 09:42:08 AM thats the final tracklist 1. Chinese Democracy 2. Shackler's Revenge 3. Better 4. Street Of Dreams 5. If The World 6. There Was A Time 7. Catcher N' The Rye 8. Scraped 9. Riad N' The Bedouins 10. Sorry 11. I.R.S. 12. Madagascar 13. This I Love 14. Prostitute I'm not sure that this is the real tracklist, it could be made up by the record company to avoid further downloading. There is only one 'new' name on that tracklist. I would be surprised if weaker songs like I.R.S and Riad would end up on CD. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 17, 2008, 09:44:23 AM I totally agree with you. There's still a mistake here, I mean: Catcher N' The Rye is like Catcher and the Rye, as the title of the book is The Catcher in the Rye. These guys are justing messing up, the definitive tracklist will be released by the band only. Two things: "N'" makes it more GN'R style and avoids copyright problems. I guess. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 17, 2008, 09:45:03 AM I wonder why the setlist got changed? because the first one was incorrect, I guess Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 17, 2008, 09:46:45 AM I totally agree with you. There's still a mistake here, I mean: Catcher N' The Rye is like Catcher and the Rye, as the title of the book is The Catcher in the Rye. Maybe Salinger wouldn't let them use Cather IN the Rye, so they dropped the "I". Not sure if that would be enough of a difference to avoid litigation though.These guys are justing messing up, the definitive tracklist will be released by the band only. That would be a fuckin' clash of titans in a court of justice, W. Axl Rose versus J.D. Salinger. "Catcher" is by far my favourite new GNR song. I hope Brian May's guitar is still on it, it would add a lot of class to the album! 8) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 17, 2008, 10:01:29 AM I totally agree with you. There's still a mistake here, I mean: Catcher N' The Rye is like Catcher and the Rye, as the title of the book is The Catcher in the Rye. These guys are justing messing up, the definitive tracklist will be released by the band only. Two things: "N'" makes it more GN'R style and avoids copyright problems. I guess. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wight gunner on October 17, 2008, 10:35:56 AM Shouldn't it be Catcher 'n the Rye, the ' replaces a letter Otherwise it would be Catcher
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: anythinggoes II on October 17, 2008, 10:39:06 AM Shouldn't it be Catcher 'n the Rye, the ' replaces a letter Otherwise it would be Catcher Quote from: Blueheart the title is catcher in the rye. it's a typo mistake at bestbuy.com Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: russtcb on October 17, 2008, 10:55:55 AM Shouldn't it be Catcher 'n the Rye, the ' replaces a letter Otherwise it would be Catcher Quote from: Blueheart the title is catcher in the rye. it's a typo mistake at bestbuy.com I'm just wondering if the sequence is correct. They could title every thing "Song 1" "Song 2" etc for all I care. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Meanmachine22 on October 17, 2008, 10:57:02 AM ?hmm What happened to MOTHERMOUTH ?
That one was listed on one of the first track liste that appeared on best buy , wasn't it ? Maybe we are in for a two disc release CHinese Democrazy I & II, simillar to what happened in 1991 ? Or cover a and B contain the same songs with some exceptions ???? :love: ??? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ak1nney on October 17, 2008, 11:00:04 AM It wasn't on the first on best buy. All the tracks are the same, different order and spellings.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Meanmachine22 on October 17, 2008, 11:03:03 AM thanks for clarification ! : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: BKinNYC on October 17, 2008, 11:06:13 AM Just a rumor from other sites, and I don't know how true they are (as always), but some are saying that the tracklist is correct, but the order isn't. So maybe someone did "leak" the tracklist, but doesn't have it in their hands, or did it from memory or something. That's why there's all the misspellings. Wait - the tracklist changed? I can't believe it! I never saw that happening. ::) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ak1nney on October 17, 2008, 11:08:04 AM I have class from 12-2, I better see an announcement about CD when I get back!
Oh and I like this tracklist, I quit listening to the leaks about 5 days ago, so this cd will kick ass when I get it. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 17, 2008, 11:08:44 AM Just a rumor from other sites, and I don't know how true they are (as always), but some are saying that the tracklist is correct, but the order isn't. So maybe someone did "leak" the tracklist, but doesn't have it in their hands, or did it from memory or something. That's why there's all the misspellings. Wait - the tracklist changed? I can't believe it! I never saw that happening. ::) only the order, it's the same songs and it was only like 2-3 songs switchin' places Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: veritas55 on October 17, 2008, 11:12:04 AM The sequence of songs now looks pretty good - I might have put TWAT a little later in the sequence because it is so epic that it seems better placed toward the end. As someone mentioned, it would have been a great closer of Side 1 on an LP (or cassette), back in the old days. With CDs and Itunes, we have sort of lost the ability to get as much of a flow going.
Still, lots of epic tracks on here. By the way, I always thought Rhiad was a VERY weak song, until I heard the (apparently) final mastered version, and it sounds really great. Same with Chinese Democracy -- the live versions are hard to sing and it is hard to capture the punch that they deliver in a studio setting. I think the album will have a real nice balance of "rockers" and epics. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ak1nney on October 17, 2008, 11:16:59 AM I agree. We know Axl likes to get pissed and rock out some of the time, but we all know how he loves the "epic" tracks now. I love both, so I'm very excited for this...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: BKinNYC on October 17, 2008, 11:19:53 AM Just a rumor from other sites, and I don't know how true they are (as always), but some are saying that the tracklist is correct, but the order isn't. So maybe someone did "leak" the tracklist, but doesn't have it in their hands, or did it from memory or something. That's why there's all the misspellings. Wait - the tracklist changed? I can't believe it! I never saw that happening. ::) only the order, it's the same songs and it was only like 2-3 songs switchin' places I know. My point is that I posted that there was speculation this was incorrect a couple of days ago. With the horrible spelling, it was obvious that someone jumped the gun. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: stvyrayvhn on October 17, 2008, 11:22:24 AM Hmmm...
(http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Gulch.JPG) (http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/musicmoviegame/pdpimages/9111016.gif) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: TVC15 on October 17, 2008, 11:34:29 AM The next 4-5 weeks shall be exciting (website updates, interviews, questions answered, a single, THE ALBUM, etc.).
8) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Wooody on October 17, 2008, 11:39:51 AM why should we trust this tracklist knowing that the last one was wrong ?
I don't remember very well, but wasn't catcher going to be on the second or third album ? and wasn't rhiad going to be a b-side... I vaguely remember reading something about it somewhere. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 17, 2008, 11:46:54 AM hmmm...shackler's in the 2 spot? Was hoping they'd bury that at the end or leave it off altogether. Oh well, looks like I'll be skipping tracks 1 and 2. Cant wait to hear the finished version of catcher in the rye. Brian May is nasty.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: stvyrayvhn on October 17, 2008, 11:55:21 AM Checkout my post here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53264.1780 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53264.1780) there are changes to the tracklisting on some of the pages.
-Larry Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: estebanf on October 17, 2008, 12:11:58 PM Oh well, looks like I'll be skipping tracks 1 and 2. CD and Shackler's can make together one of the most aggresive and outstanding startings of a rock album in history and you're gonna skip them? ??? when you think you've seen it all in the GNR world, something like this appears... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 17, 2008, 12:17:15 PM Check out the main page!! I guess it must be official as Jarmo NEVER posts rumors. ;D : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 17, 2008, 12:19:17 PM this is cool. catcher after twat. pretty daring, but i love that! first 4 tracks... excellent order.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: norway on October 17, 2008, 12:20:35 PM Check out the main page!! I guess it must be official as Jarmo NEVER posts rumors. ;D : ok: Credible rumour/assumption still ;) This is existing, am curious how all the unheard songs will be like. I love SE :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: estebanf on October 17, 2008, 12:22:37 PM http://www.brianmay.com/brian/briannews/briannewsoct08.html#04
Brian May posted the news in his official website. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: grog mug on October 17, 2008, 12:23:22 PM I guess the intern/person for Best Buy put the names of the songs up real quick and didn't worry about spell checking them. I think it might change again....
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 17, 2008, 12:23:38 PM Checkout my post here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53264.1780 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53264.1780) there are changes to the tracklisting on some of the pages. -Larry But he makes it clear that is according to Best Buy. He's the first one to say the will only be official when it comes from GNR. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 17, 2008, 12:24:02 PM Oh well, looks like I'll be skipping tracks 1 and 2. CD and Shackler's can make together one of the most aggresive and outstanding startings of a rock album in history and you're gonna skip them? ??? when you think you've seen it all in the GNR world, something like this appears... Well I'm happy for you that you'll enjoy them, but it's your opinion. In my opinion Shackler's is a train wreck and the worst thing Axl has ever attached his name to. Chinese doesn't bother me, just doesn't do anything for me. Music is eh, and lyrics are weak. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kunzerd on October 17, 2008, 12:24:11 PM my track listing for the past few months has been:
1. chinese democracy 2. oh my god 3. better 4. street of dreams 5. there was a time 6. riad 'n the bediuons 7. irs 8. catcher 'n the rye 9. prostitute 10. madagascar 11. shacklers revenge 12. if the world i noticed that what they have is close, if not in song order, at least in feel. give it a listen, it flows pretty nicely. let me know what you think. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: norway on October 17, 2008, 12:24:34 PM http://www.brianmay.com/brian/briannews/briannewsoct08.html#04 Brian May posted the news in his official website. Thats cool, he played on Cather, maybe it will be on the album? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 17, 2008, 12:26:55 PM my track listing for the past few months has been: 1. chinese democracy 2. oh my god 3. better 4. street of dreams 5. there was a time 6. riad 'n the bediuons 7. irs 8. catcher 'n the rye 9. prostitute 10. madagascar 11. shacklers revenge 12. if the world i noticed that what they have is close, if not in song order, at least in feel. give it a listen, it flows pretty nicely. let me know what you think. I like that. I'd prefer yours, with OMG 2nd as opposed to Shackler's. Maybe I'll shuffle the songs, remix by kunzerd. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: stvyrayvhn on October 17, 2008, 12:29:14 PM Checkout my post here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53264.1780 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53264.1780) there are changes to the tracklisting on some of the pages. -Larry But he makes it clear that is according to Best Buy. He's the first one to say the will only be official when it comes from GNR. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kunzerd on October 17, 2008, 12:33:03 PM my track listing for the past few months has been: 1. chinese democracy 2. oh my god 3. better 4. street of dreams 5. there was a time 6. riad 'n the bediuons 7. irs 8. catcher 'n the rye 9. prostitute 10. madagascar 11. shacklers revenge 12. if the world i noticed that what they have is close, if not in song order, at least in feel. give it a listen, it flows pretty nicely. let me know what you think. I like that. I'd prefer yours, with OMG 2nd as opposed to Shackler's. Maybe I'll shuffle the songs, remix by kunzerd. im waiting to hear the whole album to hear where the new songs fit in, but yeah, im also considering shifting the tracklisting on my ipod to fit how i have it currently. i just thing the tail end epicness of prostitute and madagascar works well, then shacklers gets me pumped up, then if the world does a great job of winding me down. it really caps off the experience nicely. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 17, 2008, 12:38:22 PM Deleted all the leaked demos yesterday. Waiting for the real stuff now. : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: badobsession81 on October 17, 2008, 12:46:30 PM Does that tracklist include all of the songs that leaked? I remember reading about another new song apart from If The World - was it Message For You?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 17, 2008, 12:55:16 PM What is funny is that all of the July leaks, those are the finished versions.
So I don't know why people think we're going to get something new on the real CD. The 9 song leak, and Shackler's Revenge, those are the real things... the over 4 songs, no clue. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ines_rocks! on October 17, 2008, 12:56:05 PM OMFG!! :o :o :o
(this is all I can say... for now) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 17, 2008, 12:58:42 PM What is funny is that all of the July leaks, those are the finished versions. So I don't know why people think we're going to get something new on the real CD. The 9 song leak, and Shackler's Revenge, those are the real things... the over 4 songs, no clue. The July leaks aren't finished. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 17, 2008, 12:59:11 PM Does that tracklist include all of the songs that leaked? I remember reading about another new song apart from If The World - was it Message For You? New song #2/Message for you = Prostitute. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 17, 2008, 01:00:01 PM leaks weren't finished. songs we haven't heard are: scraped, sorry and this i love.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 01:00:09 PM Does that tracklist include all of the songs that leaked? I remember reading about another new song apart from If The World - was it Message For You? Well, we believe Message For You is Prostitute, but remember on that website it said every song had leaked except "Scraped", "Sorry" and "Prostitute" so does that mean Message for You could be "This I Love?" Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 17, 2008, 01:05:26 PM What is funny is that all of the July leaks, those are the finished versions. No, they aren't. If The World played in Body of Lies and at the Best Buy convention is different that it was in the leak. The version of Chinese they played at the convention has some very blatant new, heavy guitars during the verses that have never been there on the leaks Ron even confirmed that the songs leaked in the summer were old demos from before he recorded with the band. If you missed his quote, he states that he plays on every track. He's not on those leaks. So don't spread misinformation The only "real" that have been heard so far are Shackler's in Rock Band and the 90 seconds of ITW in Body of Lies, both are different from the leaks Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GypsySoul on October 17, 2008, 01:06:48 PM Check out the main page!! I guess it must be official as Jarmo NEVER posts rumors. ;D : ok: Jarmo is NOT saying the info is official. He is CLEARLY stating that this is what is currently listed on the Best Buy site. Unlike the other fan sites that are implying they have some kind of "inside" info when all they are really doing is taking what is already on the www and posting it as their own.http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1927 Quote Best Buy adds Chinese Democracy tracklist and release date According to Best Buy, this is the tracklisting for the album: The album's release date is listed as November 25th. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 17, 2008, 01:07:14 PM Does that tracklist include all of the songs that leaked? I remember reading about another new song apart from If The World - was it Message For You? Well, we believe Message For You is Prostitute, but remember on that website it said every song had leaked except "Scraped", "Sorry" and "Prostitute" so does that mean Message for You could be "This I Love?" It's not, because Patti Hood who plays the harp on This I Love confirmed that it's not the same song Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 17, 2008, 01:12:57 PM What is funny is that all of the July leaks, those are the finished versions. So I don't know why people think we're going to get something new on the real CD. The 9 song leak, and Shackler's Revenge, those are the real things... the over 4 songs, no clue. No they aren't If The World has a way different mix and there are glitches in those songs, hicups at the end ect. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Izzy on October 17, 2008, 01:15:41 PM Lol - after all these years, we get only three new songs on the album!!!
U cant make this stuff up! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 17, 2008, 01:16:38 PM Lol - after all these years, we get only three new songs on the album!!! U cant make this stuff up! Well that's what you get for downloading demos. I deleted all mine today, I expect the full versions to be a lot different anyways. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ali on October 17, 2008, 01:31:41 PM Lol - after all these years, we get only three new songs on the album!!! U cant make this stuff up! Well that's what you get for downloading demos. I deleted all mine today, I expect the full versions to be a lot different anyways. Exactly. The other songs are only "old" to those of us who've heard the leaks. It's the risk we all took by listening to them. It's no one's fault that those songs aren't "new" but our own. To complain and/or blame the band for that is ridiculous. Ali Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 17, 2008, 01:32:17 PM No. It has taken all these years, and you think the leaks from July weren't finished songs?
I know there's no way to tell for sure, but IMO those are the done tracks. So most of us have 10 of the 14 tracks off chinese democ. It's just the truth! I mean how long could you rework a song for? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 17, 2008, 01:37:25 PM Exactly. The other songs are only "old" to those of us who've heard the leaks. It's the risk we all took by listening to them. It's no one's fault that those songs aren't "new" but our own. To complain and/or blame the band for that is ridiculous. Ali This is what kills me. Yeah we listened to the leaks, our fault. I get that. Why... just why did most of us succomb to listening to the leaks? think... some more... Probably because this album took a fucking decade to come out. Makes sense? Yea... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Voodoochild on October 17, 2008, 01:45:37 PM So? It took 10 years, but does that give you any right to do it?
Lots of people downloaded, I did. But we don't have any right to complain about the tracklist, because they didn't worked in all those amazing songs we heard just for some of us. It's just not fair to demand such a thing. Anyways, it's getting tired. It should be a Frustration Tracklist Thread for that. No. It has taken all these years, and you think the leaks from July weren't finished songs? Just listen to Chinese Democracy from the Best Buy event (or from any 2007 shows) - straight drums and fretless. There's no such a thing on the July demo.I know there's no way to tell for sure, but IMO those are the done tracks. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 01:47:29 PM Lol - after all these years, we get only three new songs on the album!!! U cant make this stuff up! Well that's what you get for downloading demos. I deleted all mine today, I expect the full versions to be a lot different anyways. Exactly. The other songs are only "old" to those of us who've heard the leaks. It's the risk we all took by listening to them. It's no one's fault that those songs aren't "new" but our own. To complain and/or blame the band for that is ridiculous. Ali Agreed. Plus, Its not like we will have to wait 14 years for the follow up. Hell the follow up could come Spring/summer 2010. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 17, 2008, 01:49:48 PM so.... what would you take..
a long ass press release that takes 8 minutes to read or a press release saying: "Ever been in an earthquake motherfuckers? Chinese democracy starts now!" i'd take the longass motherfucker, and i think it will be one like the personal letter from late 06 early 07 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 17, 2008, 02:03:53 PM No. It has taken all these years, and you think the leaks from July weren't finished songs? I know there's no way to tell for sure, but IMO those are the done tracks. There are numerous ways to know for sure. One is to go see Body of Lies and listen to If The World, it is different from the leak. Another is to hear the footage from the Best Buy convention, where Chinese Democracy has new, heavy guitars during the verses that have never been on any leak. Another way is to listen to Ron. He stated that the songs that leaked in the summer were old demos that are from before he joined the band. He also said that he plays on every track on the album including a lot of solos, and is clearly not present on any of the songs leaked in the summer. And finally, there are numerous additions that were made on the 2006/2007 tour (e.g. the drum fill before the outro on The Blues, some of the rhythm guitar on IRS) that are not on the leaks. They are not final versions. They are not fully mixed and mastered, that is blatantly obvious if you watch Body of Lies and hear If The World Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 17, 2008, 02:03:56 PM I'm not complaining.
I just think that the leaked songs from July are the ones that will be on C.D. it was just 3 months ago people. I think they are current. So we have most of the album now. THat is all i'm saying. I love the tracklisting! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 17, 2008, 02:07:41 PM I'm not complaining. I just think that the leaked songs from July are the ones that will be on C.D. it was just 3 months ago people. I think they are current. I'm not sure about the logic behind this. 1999 versions of IRS, TWAT and Catcher leaked in 2006. Does that mean they were current? It's not even about opinions. It's an indisputable fact, that can be verified by either listening to someone in the band who knows what's going on, or by listening to the versions of the songs in the movie and at the convention. Those leaks are not final at all Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Sweet Black Magic on October 17, 2008, 02:08:39 PM Those who have somehow "obtained" the leaks knew the possibility of ruining any surprise, but at the same time we have been waiting what...17 years? I can understand not only the impatience...but the feeling (mine included) that it would NEVER actually see the light of day.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: younggunner on October 17, 2008, 02:20:54 PM I see both sides of the tracklist argument. Although I feel both the band and the fans are to blame, ultimately we the fans cant say anything. We downloaded the leaks and have listened to them non stop.
My only issue with the band is that they played the majority of the leaks on tour countless times. I just wish they never played the new songs until the album was ready and they were ready to get the ball rolling. I was always of the opinion that I rather see the album before any gnr tour. I have said that since day one. But there is nothing we can do about it now. What I am going to try and do is not listen to the leaks from now till release day and I def will not be re arranging the order of the leaks to the official track list. I will also be listening to the album straight thru so that I can get a natural first impression of the songs we havnt heard.. btw the main reason I am pissed at the band is because they didnt rename "The Blues" to "Ok, Nevermind" ..lol how great of a title would that have been! Although I love Rhiad I am dissapointed it made the cut. I always thought it should be on a follow up and not this album. I could do without IRS as well...I think its an ok song but maybe the studio version will change my opinion. Above all I am really looking foward to the album as a whole. The songs we have heard are amazing and I still listen to them non stop after all of these years. Out of the old songs I am anxious to hear CITR and TWAT studio versions. I think the other old songs will pretty much sound like what we have. Cant wait!!! Soon IS the word! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 02:25:48 PM I think people kid themselves a little with thinking new versions are going to be different. sure, there may be some guitar here and there, a drum fill here and there, a backing vocal but you've heard the main riffs, vocals, lyrics and melodies. If you hated IRS back in 2004 or whenever Trunk/Piazza leaked it, u will probably still hate it in 2008. I am very excited about a proper version of Catcher in the Rye. Amazing song. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 17, 2008, 02:27:00 PM I think people kid themselves a little with thinking new versions are going to be different. sure, there may be some guitar here and there, a drum fill here and there, a backing vocal but you've heard the main riffs, vocals, lyrics and melodies. If you hated IRS back in 2004 or whenever Trunk/Piazza leaked it, u will probably still hate it in 2008. I am very excited about a proper version of Catcher in the Rye. Amazing song. The Mix will be a lot different, and that's a huge difference with songs. Take a listen to WTTJ mix before it was released or even November Rain, Night and day basically. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: estebanf on October 17, 2008, 02:32:30 PM Some people will never be happy.
No matter what. Everybody is always able to whine about something. If GNR tours, ''GNR is touring without a record''. If GNR doesn't tour, ''GNR doesnt tour''. If GNR delays the album ''GNR delays the album''. If GNR releases the album, ''well, I dont like the tracklist''. There is absolutely NO reason, at this time, for not being happy and excited. Some people find reasons where they doesnt exist, anyway. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on October 17, 2008, 02:34:08 PM I think people kid themselves a little with thinking new versions are going to be different. sure, there may be some guitar here and there, a drum fill here and there, a backing vocal but you've heard the main riffs, vocals, lyrics and melodies. If you hated IRS back in 2004 or whenever Trunk/Piazza leaked it, u will probably still hate it in 2008. I am very excited about a proper version of Catcher in the Rye. Amazing song. The Mix will be a lot different, and that's a huge difference with songs. Take a listen to WTTJ mix before it was released or even November Rain, Night and day basically. The versions I've heard, other than Catcher, sound pretty damn good quality wise. Yes, we may hear some improvements, but I agree with D 100%, and think the arranagements will be basically the same if not exactly the same. This is not like back in the day when you'd get a demo of WTTJ copied many times over on cassette. Don't set yourselves up for dissappointment when you can't tell the difference between what you've heard and whats on the album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: younggunner on October 17, 2008, 02:36:02 PM I agree. I am amazed about the amount of complaints coming from the boards about the tracklist. In fact shocked. What did these people expect? I also find it odd that these people think that the tracklist is a "front" for the real one and that people still dont think song#2 isnt Prostitute. The funniest one is when I read that people think Street of Dreams is a totally new song. Lets get it together people. btw Street of Dreams should have been changed to Ok, Nevermind. A much better title than the one they gave it
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 17, 2008, 02:38:51 PM I think people kid themselves a little with thinking new versions are going to be different. sure, there may be some guitar here and there, a drum fill here and there, a backing vocal but you've heard the main riffs, vocals, lyrics and melodies. If you hated IRS back in 2004 or whenever Trunk/Piazza leaked it, u will probably still hate it in 2008. I am very excited about a proper version of Catcher in the Rye. Amazing song. That original IRS is my favourite so far, the most recent was really lacking the ooomph that the first one had. I can hardly wait for Catcher as well, I really hope that it still has that same vibe and feel of the demo. I just love the way Axl sings "but every time I see them makes me wish I had a gun..." It will be interesting to see if he sings it in that unraspy fashion, I think it really suits that song. I think Riad will be the most changed of all we have heard, its the one song that I really hope that there is less Axl. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Voodoochild on October 17, 2008, 02:39:13 PM I think people kid themselves a little with thinking new versions are going to be different. sure, there may be some guitar here and there, a drum fill here and there, a backing vocal but you've heard the main riffs, vocals, lyrics and melodies. If you hated IRS back in 2004 or whenever Trunk/Piazza leaked it, u will probably still hate it in 2008. I am very excited about a proper version of Catcher in the Rye. Amazing song. The Mix will be a lot different, and that's a huge difference with songs. Take a listen to WTTJ mix before it was released or even November Rain, Night and day basically. The versions I've heard, other than Catcher, sound pretty damn good quality wise. Yes, we may hear some improvements, but I agree with D 100%, and think the arranagements will be basically the same if not exactly the same. This is not like back in the day when you'd get a demo of WTTJ copied many times over on cassette. Don't set yourselves up for dissappointment when you can't tell the difference between what you've heard and whats on the album. A bad mix can ruin a song. A good one can make it even better. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 17, 2008, 02:45:21 PM I think people kid themselves a little with thinking new versions are going to be different. sure, there may be some guitar here and there, a drum fill here and there, a backing vocal but you've heard the main riffs, vocals, lyrics and melodies. If you hated IRS back in 2004 or whenever Trunk/Piazza leaked it, u will probably still hate it in 2008. I am very excited about a proper version of Catcher in the Rye. Amazing song. The biggest thing for me is hearing songs that have a real mix and are mastered. These songs have so many layers of sound that listening to songs that don't have a real mix does a disservice That said, if you listen to the 1999 version of IRS and TWAT compared to later versions it's night and day. And the new 2006 version of CD was much better than 2002. The album version of CD played at the Best Buy convention is going to kick serious ass. Ron's really, really beefed up the guitars during the verses and added a whole new element to the song. That's the problem with the leaks. They are not complete. There may be entire guitar tracks that are missing that will be there on the final version Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 17, 2008, 02:47:27 PM I wonder why the setlist got changed? J? any comments? the tracklist you see now is the final tracklist Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 17, 2008, 02:50:42 PM btw Street of Dreams should have been changed to Ok, Nevermind. A much better title than the one they gave it Recycled joke.... 17 years and 10 million dollars will all be worth it just to properly release a song like Catcher in the Rye. True meaning of the word "classic". Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 02:59:00 PM 17 years and 10 million dollars will all be worth it just to properly release a song like Catcher in the Rye. True meaning of the word "classic". That's the amazing thing. Everybody has their favorites that they consider classics. Somebody says "oh that song shouldn't be on the album" and so on, and then somebody else considers that particular track a classic! Seems like there really is something for everybody on the album. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: bangit on October 17, 2008, 03:05:42 PM exactly jarmo,
an album that truely has something for everyone, the diversity of the music will be the thing that is celebrated about chinese democracy and indeed axl rose. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 17, 2008, 03:06:41 PM 17 years and 10 million dollars will all be worth it just to properly release a song like Catcher in the Rye. True meaning of the word "classic". That's the amazing thing. Everybody has their favorites that they consider classics. Somebody says "oh that song shouldn't be on the album" and so on, and then somebody else considers that particular track a classic! Seems like there really is something for everybody on the album. /jarmo Couldn't agree more. Something tells me This I Love might be a throwback to fans who are all about the UYI albums, since that's around the time it was first written. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: AC on October 17, 2008, 03:08:05 PM Catcher is amazing. Lyrically, and musically. I've never been a fan of IRS, but just recently starting to love it. Can't wait till this thing is out.
Is it for sure Nov 25 and not Now 23? a. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 17, 2008, 03:11:38 PM Catcher is amazing. Lyrically, and musically. I've never been a fan of IRS, but just recently starting to love it. Can't wait till this thing is out. Is it for sure Nov 25 and not Now 23? a. Today's Rolling Stone article says that Best Buy confirmed 11/23, but their site still says 11/25? Confusing. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: *Timothy* on October 17, 2008, 03:14:37 PM Catcher and this i love are the ones I am most pumped for . i loced the Catcher Demo even though it wasn't that great as far as sound quality , but you can tell that song is going to be fucking epic.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: BurningHills on October 17, 2008, 04:01:22 PM I couldn't be happier with that track list.
November 23 is going to take FOREVER to get here. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 04:21:01 PM Agree and thats why this album is gonna be classic
U can't pick one song and say "THIS" is the best I think Madagascar is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better and more epic than TWAT I think Catcher in the Rye is one of the best songs I've ever heard and it was a very shitty quality demo dont even get me started on how awesome Prostitute is, probably some of Axl's greatest lyrics to date if not the best. They have done wonders with the title track as well. I use to think it was ok............ but they've really made it into a great song. I still love Shackler's The Blues or Street of Dreams........... I think it may be the one that has lost the most steam with me. There Was A Time *HAHAHA NICE PUN* that it was right up there with Estranged for me but now, it doesn't hit me as strong for some reason. IRS is ok............ not my favorite, sometimes though I really like it, sometimes its ok Better......... runs hot and cold with me. some days its the most amazing song ever, others its ok........ If The World sounds timeless, its the one song that really just sounds timeless. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: loretian on October 17, 2008, 04:23:43 PM If The World sounds timeless, its the one song that really just sounds timeless. Agreed entirely... of the songs we've heard, I think If The World has the greatest chance of extreme success in any sort of mainstream sense. It's catchy, has an incredibly strong hook, and is a very diverse sounding song, while still retaining all the basic elements that make a good rock song. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: bangit on October 17, 2008, 04:36:51 PM what would be amazing, just thinkin, as a massive thankyou to the fans who quite frankly have supported gnr through thick and thin, us.
If axl were to post his statament here first, what a gesture of thanks would that be to us, the people who have helped keep this band alive or 15 years. just a thought.......................... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RoCoKiN on October 17, 2008, 04:49:57 PM I wish they'd record a folksy version of My World and slip it in there as a hidden track.
Sorry I'm just getting all excited...very much like Jimmy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjJyE6M3H4s :smoking: :beer: :peace: : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 17, 2008, 05:17:34 PM Was it Tommy that described the album as a "melting pot"? I could easily see that being the case... can't wait for the unheard songs!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 17, 2008, 05:24:53 PM do we know something about the track "scraped"? any rumors on that one? rocker, possible single etc.? sorry, so many threads here, didn't want to make another one for this... i guess it's the only song we only know the writing-credits and nothing much else. true?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Butch Français on October 17, 2008, 05:27:49 PM 17 years and 10 million dollars will all be worth it just to properly release a song like Catcher in the Rye. True meaning of the word "classic". That's the amazing thing. Everybody has their favorites that they consider classics. Somebody says "oh that song shouldn't be on the album" and so on, and then somebody else considers that particular track a classic! Seems like there really is something for everybody on the album. /jarmo absolutely, no doubt the album is filled with nothing but shit strong songs! I was a bit disappointed first with the tracklist since I've heard most the songs, but now I don't give a fuck. the album is coming for fucks sake! and we'll hear the final final versions of the songs in the right order with the cover in our hands for the first time ever! my favourite atm is probably If the World. and then we have Shackler's Revenge too, I can't get enough of that song! I haven't heard Better in a year or two at least, and I fucking love it! hearing the final version of it will blow my head off! in total, I like all the songs. when everyone was dissing Riad years ago, I firmly believed that it the studio version of it would kick serious ass, and I'm glad it made it on the album! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on October 17, 2008, 05:31:11 PM do we know something about the track "scraped"? any rumors on that one? rocker, possible single etc.? sorry, so many threads here, didn't want to make another one for this... i guess it's the only song we only know the credits and nothing much else. A while ago in an interview, Brain mentioned a rocker that Bucket wrote when discussing CD. That could be Shackler's, Scraped, or another song that will be on a later album, but he seemed to think at the time it would be on CD. Eddie Trunk mentioned after playing IRS on the air that the CD had a couple other songs. Here's what he had to say about one of them "The last track, which I did not play, was the best. A great rocker, with tons of shredding guitar from Buckethead. I don't know what the title was, but I kinda wish I had the chance to play that one as well. Mike & I didn't really know what we had, so we just played the first track IRS." Sounds like that could be it Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ali on October 17, 2008, 05:38:29 PM btw Street of Dreams should have been changed to Ok, Nevermind. A much better title than the one they gave it Recycled joke.... 17 years and 10 million dollars will all be worth it just to properly release a song like Catcher in the Rye. True meaning of the word "classic". I agree. Cannot wait to hear a proper version of that gorgeous, lush and moving song. It has a touch of the Beatles with the "Na, Na, Na" hook and that Queen feel thanks to Brian May's solo among other things. Which reminds me, I wonder if his solo will be on the final version of the song? I hope so. It was amazing. Ali Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 17, 2008, 05:40:20 PM do we know something about the track "scraped"? any rumors on that one? rocker, possible single etc.? sorry, so many threads here, didn't want to make another one for this... i guess it's the only song we only know the credits and nothing much else. A while ago in an interview, Brain mentioned a rocker that Bucket wrote when discussing CD. That could be Shackler's, Scraped, or another song that will be on a later album, but he seemed to think at the time it would be on CD. Eddie Trunk mentioned after playing IRS on the air that the CD had a couple other songs. Here's what he had to say about one of them "The last track, which I did not play, was the best. A great rocker, with tons of shredding guitar from Buckethead. I don't know what the title was, but I kinda wish I had the chance to play that one as well. Mike & I didn't really know what we had, so we just played the first track IRS." Sounds like that could be it yeah, hope it's a rocker in that direction described in the quote... thanx anyway. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: younggunner on October 17, 2008, 05:42:09 PM CITR is simply amazing. It has such a classic and epic feel to it. The tone and delivery of the song from start to finish is magical.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 17, 2008, 05:44:59 PM do we know something about the track "scraped"? any rumors on that one? rocker, possible single etc.? sorry, so many threads here, didn't want to make another one for this... i guess it's the only song we only know the credits and nothing much else. A while ago in an interview, Brain mentioned a rocker that Bucket wrote when discussing CD. That could be Shackler's, Scraped, or another song that will be on a later album, but he seemed to think at the time it would be on CD. Eddie Trunk mentioned after playing IRS on the air that the CD had a couple other songs. Here's what he had to say about one of them "The last track, which I did not play, was the best. A great rocker, with tons of shredding guitar from Buckethead. I don't know what the title was, but I kinda wish I had the chance to play that one as well. Mike & I didn't really know what we had, so we just played the first track IRS." Sounds like that could be it yeah, hope it's a rocker in that direction described in the quote... thanx anyway. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nonlinear on October 17, 2008, 05:56:26 PM best buy has updated the tracklist with a new order, full "catcher n' the rye" and "riad n' the bedoUins"
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&st=guns+n%27+roses&type=product&id=1925065 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Drew on October 17, 2008, 05:57:39 PM ^^^Link isn't working for me.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nonlinear on October 17, 2008, 06:00:14 PM http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&st=guns+n%27+roses&type=product&id=1925065
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 06:01:06 PM ^^^Link isn't working for me. Looks like the same one that was posted earlier today.... /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nonlinear on October 17, 2008, 06:06:36 PM oh i missed that link, sorry
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Sober_times on October 17, 2008, 06:14:06 PM So i really dont feel like reading through the thread so i thought i would just ask.
Are you all in agreement that Street Of Dreams is The Blues? That was my first reaction when I asked myself where is The Blues but thought I would ask what the consensus is. I really love The Blues and would be really dissappointed if its not on the album. :smoking: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Drew on October 17, 2008, 06:18:47 PM So i really dont feel like reading through the thread so i thought i would just ask. Are you all in agreement that Street Of Dreams is The Blues? That was my first reaction when I asked myself where is The Blues but thought I would ask what the consensus is. I really love The Blues and would be really dissappointed if its not on the album. :smoking: I really hope they are one in the same. Cause that is one of the songs I was really looking forward to hearing as a finished track. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 17, 2008, 06:23:51 PM So i really dont feel like reading through the thread so i thought i would just ask. Are you all in agreement that Street Of Dreams is The Blues? That was my first reaction when I asked myself where is The Blues but thought I would ask what the consensus is. I really love The Blues and would be really dissappointed if its not on the album. :smoking: I really hope they are one in the same. Cause that is one of the songs I was really looking forward to hearing as a finished track. same song. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: destroier on October 17, 2008, 06:30:08 PM So i really dont feel like reading through the thread so i thought i would just ask. Are you all in agreement that Street Of Dreams is The Blues? That was my first reaction when I asked myself where is The Blues but thought I would ask what the consensus is. I really love The Blues and would be really dissappointed if its not on the album. :smoking: I really hope they are one in the same. Cause that is one of the songs I was really looking forward to hearing as a finished track. Thirded. I've been looking forward to the finished version of that song ever since it was played at RIR. It seems logical that they are the same song, my only question is why the title change? To me, "The Blues" was a perfect title for it. Actually, I've been looking forward to hearing it ever since it was first mentioned in Rolling Stone back in 1999 I think. I thought of all the titles, it sounded the most promising. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lucky on October 17, 2008, 06:30:38 PM Catcher N' the rye?
is this the way to avoid any copyright? N' instead of IN... or is it just another typo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mobenrad on October 17, 2008, 06:34:37 PM So i really dont feel like reading through the thread so i thought i would just ask. Are you all in agreement that Street Of Dreams is The Blues? That was my first reaction when I asked myself where is The Blues but thought I would ask what the consensus is. I really love The Blues and would be really dissappointed if its not on the album. :smoking: I really hope they are one in the same. Cause that is one of the songs I was really looking forward to hearing as a finished track. Thirded. I've been looking forward to the finished version of that song ever since it was played at RIR. It seems logical that they are the same song, my only question is why the title change? To me, "The Blues" was a perfect title for it. Actually, I've been looking forward to hearing it ever since it was first mentioned in Rolling Stone back in 1999 I think. I thought of all the titles, it sounded the most promising. Fourthed. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nonlinear on October 17, 2008, 06:39:49 PM i don't see how it could be a typo..,.
i mean, i assume best buy is receiving pre-typed lists, and not transcribing over the telephone????? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mr. Nik™ on October 17, 2008, 06:43:05 PM i mean, i assume best buy is receiving pre-typed lists, and not transcribing over the telephone????? maybe managers receive pre-typed list..... but the young clercks running the website transcribe over the phone Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 17, 2008, 06:46:59 PM The way that this album sounds, how it brings together elements of Classic Rock, Industrial, ballads, Metal, electronic, and even hip hop beats so perfectly, I think is going to make the rest of my album collection irrelevant for the most part haha. I have always been the weirdo who listens to so much different types of music, and this has put it together like the dream band you always think about.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mike McKagan on October 17, 2008, 06:56:16 PM Copyright doesn't apply to titles, at least in the literary world. If you mention a song by title in a story, you don't have to pay royalties, but if you mention specific lyrics, you do. Go figure.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 17, 2008, 06:57:41 PM The way that this album sounds, how it brings together elements of Classic Rock, Industrial, ballads, Metal, electronic, and even hip hop beats so perfectly, I think is going to make the rest of my album collection irrelevant for the most part haha. I have always been the weirdo who listens to so much different types of music, and this has put it together like the dream band you always think about. Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel bad for the OLD Appetite fans that may not be down with a new sound. But a lot of them never got that with the Illusions albums either really. Ive always been a bigger fan of the Illusions and thought they'd have done way better as ONE album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 17, 2008, 07:16:35 PM The way that this album sounds, how it brings together elements of Classic Rock, Industrial, ballads, Metal, electronic, and even hip hop beats so perfectly, I think is going to make the rest of my album collection irrelevant for the most part haha. I have always been the weirdo who listens to so much different types of music, and this has put it together like the dream band you always think about. Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel bad for the OLD Appetite fans that may not be down with a new sound. But a lot of them never got that with the Illusions albums either really. Ive always been a bigger fan of the Illusions and thought they'd have done way better as ONE album. There's no point trying to 'recapture' something that's already been done. I'm sure Axl could have got a group of rock players together and banged out another AFD if he really wanted to, but what's the use? It's not 1985 anymore. A real musician doesn't limit themselves - they take in all the sounds around them, and push themselves and challenge themselves. Sure people might not like the direction the music has taken, but you should admit that it works well together, and sounds new and inspiring. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nonlinear on October 17, 2008, 07:21:54 PM i mean, i assume best buy is receiving pre-typed lists, and not transcribing over the telephone????? maybe managers receive pre-typed list..... but the young clercks running the website transcribe over the phone wow, it would take a totally illiterate moron to transcribe an oral "Catcher IN The Rye" as "cather n' the rye" LOLOLOLOLO Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 17, 2008, 07:25:49 PM i mean, i assume best buy is receiving pre-typed lists, and not transcribing over the telephone????? maybe managers receive pre-typed list..... but the young clercks running the website transcribe over the phone wow, it would take a totally illiterate moron to transcribe an oral "Catcher IN The Rye" as "cather n' the rye" LOLOLOLOLO Are you surprised man? How many young kids have proper grammar these days? It's all fuckin OMG Loolllzzzz h8 u ROFFLLL sup G2G i no eyyy Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nonlinear on October 17, 2008, 07:35:26 PM seriously though, i highly doubt track listings for the website are transcribed from an oral conversation. talk about error prone.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 17, 2008, 07:39:16 PM seriously though, i highly doubt track listings for the website are transcribed from an oral conversation. talk about error prone. as long as they get it right on the cd... ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mr. Nik™ on October 17, 2008, 07:46:40 PM wow, it would take a totally illiterate moron to transcribe an oral "Catcher IN The Rye" as "cather n' the rye" LOLOLOLOLO unfortunately, there are many illitterate morons, nowadays Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eternal Flaming Sword of Death... on October 17, 2008, 07:48:37 PM i guess that "Riad N' The Bedouins" is a typo as well.....
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: dont_damn_me on October 17, 2008, 07:50:41 PM The way that this album sounds, how it brings together elements of Classic Rock, Industrial, ballads, Metal, electronic, and even hip hop beats so perfectly, I think is going to make the rest of my album collection irrelevant for the most part haha. I have always been the weirdo who listens to so much different types of music, and this has put it together like the dream band you always think about. Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel bad for the OLD Appetite fans that may not be down with a new sound. But a lot of them never got that with the Illusions albums either really. Ive always been a bigger fan of the Illusions and thought they'd have done way better as ONE album. What!!?? Couldn't DISAGREE more! What songs could you have done without from the Illusions?? :nervous:..besides My world? You mean to say you wish you hadn't the opportunaty to hear an albums worth of material from the Illusions?? strange...i don't understand that, even if you don't like a song or two, lots of other people will, the more songs the better.IMO Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: TheRaven on October 17, 2008, 08:25:27 PM The way that this album sounds, how it brings together elements of Classic Rock, Industrial, ballads, Metal, electronic, and even hip hop beats so perfectly, I think is going to make the rest of my album collection irrelevant for the most part haha. I have always been the weirdo who listens to so much different types of music, and this has put it together like the dream band you always think about. Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel bad for the OLD Appetite fans that may not be down with a new sound. But a lot of them never got that with the Illusions albums either really. Ive always been a bigger fan of the Illusions and thought they'd have done way better as ONE album. What!!?? Couldn't DISAGREE more! What songs could you have done without from the Illusions?? :nervous:..besides My world? You mean to say you wish you hadn't the opportunaty to hear an albums worth of material from the Illusions?? strange...i don't understand that, even if you don't like a song or two, lots of other people will, the more songs the better.IMO Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 17, 2008, 08:37:48 PM The way that this album sounds, how it brings together elements of Classic Rock, Industrial, ballads, Metal, electronic, and even hip hop beats so perfectly, I think is going to make the rest of my album collection irrelevant for the most part haha. I have always been the weirdo who listens to so much different types of music, and this has put it together like the dream band you always think about. Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel bad for the OLD Appetite fans that may not be down with a new sound. But a lot of them never got that with the Illusions albums either really. Ive always been a bigger fan of the Illusions and thought they'd have done way better as ONE album. What!!?? Couldn't DISAGREE more! What songs could you have done without from the Illusions?? :nervous:..besides My world? You mean to say you wish you hadn't the opportunaty to hear an albums worth of material from the Illusions?? strange...i don't understand that, even if you don't like a song or two, lots of other people will, the more songs the better.IMO Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 08:43:50 PM There is no such thing as filler
there are songs u like and don't like case closed I think its being a complete fucking snob to try and say cause u don't like something its "Filler" bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 08:44:26 PM I think it's fucking great the album is finally being released, but I'm not overly impressed with what I'm hearing in the songs. That's not a knock on Guns necessarily. I felt the same about Death Magnetic too. I think maybe rock (as we know it) is dead. CD sticks out worse, because it's been 15 years, but think about it... 15 years is a long time... almost a generation. Things have changed so much. Pop is THE music of choice now. It's no longer rock. I miss those days, man. I'm proud of the work these guys did on Chinese, but I think it's too little - too late. This thing sells 1.5 million to 2 million tops. I wish it the best!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 17, 2008, 09:05:04 PM There is no such thing as filler there are songs u like and don't like case closed I think its being a complete fucking snob to try and say cause u don't like something its "Filler" bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is such a thing called filler. Black Sabbath's most famous song is a filler. They needed one more track for the Paranoid album so they wrote and recorded the song Paranoid there and then in the studio. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 09:31:38 PM There is no such thing as filler there are songs u like and don't like case closed I think its being a complete fucking snob to try and say cause u don't like something its "Filler" bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is such a thing called filler. Black Sabbath's most famous song is a filler. They needed one more track for the Paranoid album so they wrote and recorded the song Paranoid there and then in the studio. :peace: Exactly and Paranoid isn't filler. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 17, 2008, 09:38:46 PM There is no such thing as filler there are songs u like and don't like case closed I think its being a complete fucking snob to try and say cause u don't like something its "Filler" bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is such a thing called filler. Black Sabbath's most famous song is a filler. They needed one more track for the Paranoid album so they wrote and recorded the song Paranoid there and then in the studio. :peace: Exactly and Paranoid isn't filler. Paranoid was recorded to fill an empty slot on the record. So yes it is. its a good song but its was written as a filler. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 17, 2008, 09:45:01 PM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion OK, so still (kinda) outside of your perspective: Yes, they have to sell it to the general audience, not only to GNR fans. Anyway, the option of downloading the leaks or not is the same. Those who likes any kind of music (hard rock) and wanted to listen to them just did. It's their problem, they should've known it would be on the next GNR record. Just don't have the right to complain now. Getting to your point, let?s consider what general music fans could've legally heard: Regularly played since 2001/02: "CD", "Madagascar" and "The Blues"= 3 songs; If we count "Rhiad", played only 3 times. = 4 songs On 2006 they added "Better" and "IRS", so we have 6 "revealed" songs. TWAT, on just 2 shows = 7 songs Rock Band (not everyone has videogames): Shackler's = 8 songs Body of Lies: If the World (1:30, not everyone saw/will see the movie) = 9 CD "revealed" songs Ask those people this: 1) When was the last time GNR toured? 2) Have you been there? 3) Did you listen to some bootleg track/video? Like it? 4) Say 3 new GNR song titles? 5) Could you sing them/remember the melodies? 6) Who are the members these days? The ordinary answers you would have: 1) Not sure or / Maybe 2006. 2) No or / I went to one concert and was great. 3) No or / I saw a bootleg couple times. I liked, but prefer the old songs/band. 4) Madagascar, Axl played on VMA's;.... Better and.... don't know. 5) No. Wait! Na na na na .. I know better, better.. na na na... that's all dude. 6) Axl, Bucket.. no, Bumblefoot, Robert Finck and.. well Slash is out. Remember those guys looking scared at you when you sang along "the blues" at one of the concerts? That was not because your voice sucked.. in fact, they didn't know the lyrics and didn't understand how you knew it. So, do you really think that those "9" (5) songs are old to them?? I'd say 3 "vaguely known" songs at the most. On the other hand, the reason GNR showed this songs on gigs/game/movie was to make the public familiar with at least 1 of those tracks, generanting curiosity and interest, and that's what marketing is all about. Sales are just consequences. Could we have the same hype if the songs were totally new? Maybe for us downloading motherfuckers, but not for the rest of the world. Just promotion for 14 unknown tracks of a "15 years inactive" band, even with strong "brands" like GNR, Axl and Chinese Democracy, wouldn't be enough for this shitty music market nowadays. The "making it familiar" strategy is a very smart way to mitigate that, a least a little. My friends, those "free trials"(legal ones) along with apropriate mass promotion, which is on it's way, the band members charisma, AND THE FINISHED TRACKS, will make GNR rule the world again. P.S.: Also, remember, if they didn't play any new songs on those ways: "Fuck! they play the same songs since 1994"; "I told the album doesn't exist"; "It's a cover band"; "No singles until now? 2009 here we go"; etc, etc, etc Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR4L on October 17, 2008, 09:55:23 PM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion OK, so still (kinda) outside of your perspective: Yes, they have to sell it to the general audience, not only to GNR fans. Anyway, the option of downloading the leaks or not is the same. Those who likes any kind of music (hard rock) and wanted to listen to them just did. It's their problem, they should've known it would be on the next GNR record. Just don't have the right to complain now. Getting to your point, let?s consider what general music fans could've legally heard: Regularly played since 2001/02: "CD", "Madagascar" and "The Blues"= 3 songs; If we count "Rhiad", played only 3 times. = 4 songs On 2006 they added "Better" and "IRS", so we have 6 "revealed" songs. TWAT, on just 2 shows = 7 songs Rock Band (not everyone has videogames): Shackler's = 8 songs Body of Lies: If the World (1:30, not everyone saw/will see the movie) = 9 CD "revealed" songs Ask those people this: 1) When was the last time GNR toured? 2) Have you been there? 3) Did you listen to some bootleg track/video? Like it? 4) Say 3 new GNR song titles? 5) Could you sing them/remember the melodies? 6) Who are the members these days? The ordinary answers you would have: 1) Not sure or / Maybe 2006. 2) No or / I went to one concert and was great. 3) No or / I saw a bootleg couple times. I liked, but prefer the old songs/band. 4) Madagascar, Axl played on VMA's;.... Better and.... don't know. 5) No. Wait! Na na na na .. I know better, better.. na na na... that's all dude. 6) Axl, Bucket.. no, Bumblefoot, Robert Finck and.. well Slash is out. Remember those guys looking scared at you when you sang along "the blues" at one of the concerts? That was not because your voice sucked.. in fact, they didn't know the lyrics and didn't understand how you knew it. So, do you really think that those "9" (5) songs are old to them?? I'd say 3 "vaguely known" songs at the most. On the other hand, the reason GNR showed this songs on gigs/game/movie was to make the public familiar with at least 1 of those tracks, generanting curiosity and interest, and that's what marketing is all about. Sales are just consequences. Could we have the same hype if the songs were totally new? Maybe for us downloading motherfuckers, but not for the rest of the world. Just promotion for 14 unknown tracks of a "15 years inactive" band, even with strong "brands" like GNR, Axl and Chinese Democracy, wouldn't be enough for this shitty music market nowadays. The "making it familiar" strategy is a very smart way to mitigate that, a least a little. My friends, those "free trials"(legal ones) along with apropriate mass promotion, which is on it's way, the band members charisma, AND THE FINISHED TRACKS, will make GNR rule the world again. P.S.: Also, remember, if they didn't play any new songs on those ways: "Fuck! they play the same songs since 1994"; "I told the album doesn't exist"; "It's a cover band"; "No singles until now? 2009 here we go"; etc, etc, etc I agree it's your choice if you decided to listen to the leaks or not. If you went and saw them live and they played the new song's well that's live, so nobody's heard the studio version (final version). What you guy's heard are old demo's there's gonna be a BIG DIFFRENCE from those, GnR is back and its a great time to be a Guns N' Roses fan. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 17, 2008, 09:56:37 PM I think that some albums have filler songs.
By this I'm meaning songs that aren't singles and aren't "special". For instance D, me being a huge Bon Jovi fan, there song "Last Cigarette" or whatever it was called off of HAND is a filler track. It wasn't a single, and wasn't good, or special. C.D. will not have 14 singles, so the what isn't a single, or a fan fav is typically a filler song. Libertad is all filler but 3 or 4 songs. Slippery When Wet has NO filler, that album is solid and classic. Appetite For D. has no filler, because it all works and is classic. Def Leppard's Hysteria, the same. Def Leppard's Songs From the Sparkle lounge, it has filler... there's songs that are just songs. I'm rambling... sorry. I think some albums have a couple filler songs. Bon Jovi's song "Joey" perfect example of a filler track. Not bad, not good, just there. Filling in. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 10:00:09 PM If you wanna talk about other bands besides GN'R, there's a place for that.
It's not this thread or this section. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GnR-NOW on October 17, 2008, 10:03:47 PM All of these songs have single potential
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jizzo on October 17, 2008, 10:13:32 PM i think the tracklist is great and the album will be epic
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GnR-NOW on October 17, 2008, 10:16:22 PM Great word. These songs are epic sounding, and will have a very hard hitting, emotional, epic sound
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 10:22:29 PM Call me crazy, but my favorite song of the lot is "IRS". I think it has the most potential too. Just my gut feeling. Has a catchy chorus and a fucking awesome hook. The music is well done and Ron's solo fucking rocks at the end.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GnR-NOW on October 17, 2008, 10:26:00 PM IRS is an awesome choice. All of the songs will have their own hook that will draw you in. For me its the second solo in there was a time
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 10:29:40 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: chineseblues on October 17, 2008, 10:30:40 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. You have no one to blame but yourself though.. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RoCoKiN on October 17, 2008, 10:33:59 PM I'm excited just to rip that plastic off the case and read the liner notes and see what pics are inside.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 10:34:27 PM IRS is an awesome choice. All of the songs will have their own hook that will draw you in. For me its the second solo in there was a time I say "IRS" because it's a reasonable length for radio play and it's something everybody can relate to right away: the fucking IRS! TWAT is a cool song too, but I think there's too much in it personally. Too much from too many directions. Street of Dreams is my 2nd favorite and again... a song that can make popular appeal. TWAT would be my 3rd, but it seems more like an "Estranged" type song. It will take a lot of interest in the album for that song to stick. Just my two... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ulises on October 17, 2008, 10:35:11 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. Bad luck. We chose hear them before but I don't care...the final version will be so much cooler than DEMOS Never forget that we listened DEMOS...just that. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 10:36:51 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. Very few bands have been able to pull of a "true" renaissance. Aerosmith did it. Many others tried, but failed. Some bands are timeless like the Stones and well, Aerosmith. What you're seeing here is a musical project by Axl and the others. I don't think it will be a trend setting album by any means. Cool, but not mind-blowing. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 10:37:55 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. You have no one to blame but yourself though.. You have a point... kinda ;) And I know HTGTH users are the minority when it comes to the sheer number of people who are going to buy this album, but by playing the songs in concert and having so many of the songs leak, GNR isn't exactly playing to the base. I doubt many of us will be 110% beyond excited to get this album when I could listen to over 2/3 of it right now if I wanted. You can go on limewire, or youtube and hear half of it right now. in reality, I'm just being selfish, i know that, but having waited over a decade for this album to drop, as a die hard, I'm extremely unimpressed. some of these songs are a couple of years old (some even more!!) at this point. I might not even bother getting this on opening day. Sorry, just being honest. Flame away. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: $$$$ on October 17, 2008, 10:40:22 PM ^
well alls im gunna say is that the song chinese democracy played fopr best buy was quite different from the leak. so im gunna assume the same holds true for the rest of the songs Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 10:40:32 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. Very few bands have been able to pull of a "true" renaissance. Aerosmith did it. Many others tried, but failed. Some bands are timeless like the Stones and well, Aerosmith. What you're seeing here is a musical project by Axl and the others. I don't think it will be a trend setting album by any means. Cool, but not mind-blowing. But it SHOULD have been mindblowing. part of me has been hoping a lot of the leaks were just fuck-around songs Axl and company were just dicking around with. to see that most of CD will be these songs is just disappointing to me. I agree, cool, but def not earth shattering. Very curious to see how critics will react to this. Shit, some of these songs have already been reviewed by big time magazines/reviewers!!!! in terms of anticipation and hype, CD, in my mind, has already fallen short. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: chineseblues on October 17, 2008, 10:40:39 PM I really have no sympathy for ya dude. You know that by listening to the leaks and shit that this was a possible outcome. Can't expect the band to put all different songs on the album because of some people online now can ya?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 10:43:16 PM I really have no sympathy for ya dude. You know that by listening to the leaks and shit that this was a possible outcome. Can't expect the band to put all different songs on the album because of some people online now can ya? TOTALLY agree with you. not asking for sympathy : ok: Just my own personal feelings here as a long time member of this board. i would think GNR would be total fucktards if they were just catering to us online a-holes. but there is just minimal excitement from me right now. and that sucks for me. this SHOULD have been the biggest news of my life as a GNR fan. just being honest. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 10:46:36 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. Very few bands have been able to pull of a "true" renaissance. Aerosmith did it. Many others tried, but failed. Some bands are timeless like the Stones and well, Aerosmith. What you're seeing here is a musical project by Axl and the others. I don't think it will be a trend setting album by any means. Cool, but not mind-blowing. But it SHOULD have been mindblowing. part of me has been hoping a lot of the leaks were just fuck-around songs Axl and company were just dicking around with. to see that most of CD will be these songs is just disappointing to me. I agree, cool, but def not earth shattering. Very curious to see how critics will react to this. Shit, some of these songs have already been reviewed by big time magazines/reviewers!!!! in terms of anticipation and hype, CD, in my mind, has already fallen short. Well, if Axl secured 3 million copies with BB, he did himself a favor. If it sells much more than that, I will be surprised. But AGAIN, this is NOT a knock on Axl or the band. Rock has been down for years now. It's a new era - let's face it. If this was 1992, the album would probably sell 5 or 6 million copies. I admire some of the musical composition in this album, but rock's glory days are gone. Unless you consider that wank-crap like Nickelback being rock. It doesn't help that Axl is older, many of the band members are unknown to the general public. It's a tough hill to climb. I'm glad Axl secured 3 million and I am fucking glad it's being released, but it's not 1990 anymore people... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 17, 2008, 10:46:37 PM One of the bigger mistakes we all make is thinking that we are important.
The GNR community doesn't matter basically. If u think, honestly, there may be what? 15k of us? For GNR to be successful, they have to reach the masses. We would buy Axl playing a Clarinet and shouting random rambling nonsense. So just cause we've heard most of the album, millions haven't. For CD to be successful, it has to reach the Junior High/High School and early 20's crowd. The hardcore GNR fanbase even if we all bought 10 copies a piece won't make this successful on its own. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mike McKagan on October 17, 2008, 10:46:47 PM I really have no sympathy for ya dude. You know that by listening to the leaks and shit that this was a possible outcome. Can't expect the band to put all different songs on the album because of some people online now can ya? TOTALLY agree with you. not asking for sympathy : ok: Just my own personal feelings here as a long time member of this board. i would think GNR would be total fucktards if they were just catering to us online a-holes. but there is just minimal excitement from me right now. and that sucks for me. this SHOULD have been the biggest news of my life as a GNR fan. just being honest. :peace: I think you may be the first person to express your disappointment without sounding like a douche. Nicely played, Hil-Dog. :) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 10:48:10 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. This one's for you: :P this SHOULD have been the biggest news of my life as a GNR fan. Yeah, that's what you guys kept saying when there were no tracklisting, cover art or release date. Now that you have all of the above, things still suck. So obviously things don't suck because of the band. They supplied you with the missing piece that was gonna make everything awesome. But it turns out that things aren't awesome even after you get news about the album you've been "waiting for since 1993". Why not just admit that you're probably never gonna be pleased? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: destroier on October 17, 2008, 10:48:36 PM All of these songs have single potential Only the most hardcore fans would believe that. For instance, Rhiad might be a favorite among some fans, but it wouldn't have the mass appeal needed to be a single. Just because you happen to like a song, doesn't mean that it can be a single. I happen to love OMG, but if it had made it on the cd, it would've been filler. Filler doesn't necessarily mean a song sucks, it just means it won't appeal to most people. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 17, 2008, 10:50:35 PM I was referring to what filler is and isn't and I did mention Gn'R as this pertains to them..
Thanks for reading it though! : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 10:51:40 PM I was referring to what filler is and isn't and I did mention Gn'R as this pertains to them.. Thanks for reading it though! : ok: You're welcome. It seems like some of you are always happy to bring other bands into this section in order to point out the "faults". /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 10:54:53 PM Pretty disappointing. I know I'm a downloading mother fucker, but I've heard almost the entire album!! lame. This one's for you: :P this SHOULD have been the biggest news of my life as a GNR fan. Yeah, that's what you guys kept saying when there were no tracklisting, cover art or release date. Now that you have all of the above, things still suck. So obviously things don't suck because of the band. They supplied you with the missing piece that was gonna make everything awesome. But it turns out that things aren't awesome even after you get news about the album you've been "waiting for since 1993". /jarmo I wouldn't say "things suck". The fact CD is going to be released is a small miracle to someone like me. This sums it up from my point of view.... When you peak at your Christmas presents, you definitely spoil the surprise for yourself, but you're still excited for Christmas. of course its always better when mom and dad got you a handful of presents that you didn't know about : ok: Please don't lump me in with all of the a-holes who were just NEVER satisfied with ANYTHING this band has done over the past decade... but this is the moment that's been building up for over 10 years and as a die hard, I'm just not as excited as I thought I'd be b/c I already know what 2/3 of the surprise is. I guess there is always next Christmas ;) More importantly, if this track listing is legit, I don't think the average person is going to think this album is amazing and I don't think the average critic is going to give it a rave review. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: destroier on October 17, 2008, 10:56:18 PM I really have no sympathy for ya dude. You know that by listening to the leaks and shit that this was a possible outcome. Can't expect the band to put all different songs on the album because of some people online now can ya? TOTALLY agree with you. not asking for sympathy : ok: Just my own personal feelings here as a long time member of this board. i would think GNR would be total fucktards if they were just catering to us online a-holes. but there is just minimal excitement from me right now. and that sucks for me. this SHOULD have been the biggest news of my life as a GNR fan. just being honest. :peace: The only disappointing thing is that a few of the songs I don't like made the album, but I know others are going to love those songs so it's cool. I'm still stoked to hear finished versions of Better, The Blues, CITR, Madagascar, and Prostitute. I'd be disappointed if any one of those songs weren't on it. So for me, it's not a matter of having heard any of them before, it's a matter of which ones I like and which ones I don't. I honestly think I'm more excited to hear the finished versions than I would be if I hadn't heard any of the leaks. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 11:09:07 PM I'm glad Axl did it HIS way though. Maybe not the delay, but everything else is perfectly cool with me. Going out and hiring the best musicians who he could work with. He did this project wisely. I'm happy he's finally getting it out to the masses.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 11:14:02 PM Will be interesting to see when three MONSTERS of rock, AC/DC, Metallica and GNR, all release albums in the same year, assuming they are all successful when all is said and done, if we don't see a return of the rock in 2009.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 17, 2008, 11:21:14 PM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion OK, so still (kinda) outside of your perspective: Yes, they have to sell it to the general audience, not only to GNR fans. Anyway, the option of downloading the leaks or not is the same. Those who likes any kind of music (hard rock) and wanted to listen to them just did. It's their problem, they should've known it would be on the next GNR record. Just don't have the right to complain now. Getting to your point, let?s consider what general music fans could've legally heard: Regularly played since 2001/02: "CD", "Madagascar" and "The Blues"= 3 songs; If we count "Rhiad", played only 3 times. = 4 songs On 2006 they added "Better" and "IRS", so we have 6 "revealed" songs. TWAT, on just 2 shows = 7 songs Rock Band (not everyone has videogames): Shackler's = 8 songs Body of Lies: If the World (1:30, not everyone saw/will see the movie) = 9 CD "revealed" songs Ask those people this: 1) When was the last time GNR toured? 2) Have you been there? 3) Did you listen to some bootleg track/video? Like it? 4) Say 3 new GNR song titles? 5) Could you sing them/remember the melodies? 6) Who are the members these days? The ordinary answers you would have: 1) Not sure or / Maybe 2006. 2) No or / I went to one concert and was great. 3) No or / I saw a bootleg couple times. I liked, but prefer the old songs/band. 4) Madagascar, Axl played on VMA's;.... Better and.... don't know. 5) No. Wait! Na na na na .. I know better, better.. na na na... that's all dude. 6) Axl, Bucket.. no, Bumblefoot, Robert Finck and.. well Slash is out. Remember those guys looking scared at you when you sang along "the blues" at one of the concerts? That was not because your voice sucked.. in fact, they didn't know the lyrics and didn't understand how you knew it. So, do you really think that those "9" (5) songs are old to them?? I'd say 3 "vaguely known" songs at the most. On the other hand, the reason GNR showed this songs on gigs/game/movie was to make the public familiar with at least 1 of those tracks, generanting curiosity and interest, and that's what marketing is all about. Sales are just consequences. Could we have the same hype if the songs were totally new? Maybe for us downloading motherfuckers, but not for the rest of the world. Just promotion for 14 unknown tracks of a "15 years inactive" band, even with strong "brands" like GNR, Axl and Chinese Democracy, wouldn't be enough for this shitty music market nowadays. The "making it familiar" strategy is a very smart way to mitigate that, a least a little. My friends, those "free trials"(legal ones) along with apropriate mass promotion, which is on it's way, the band members charisma, AND THE FINISHED TRACKS, will make GNR rule the world again. P.S.: Also, remember, if they didn't play any new songs on those ways: "Fuck! they play the same songs since 1994"; "I told the album doesn't exist"; "It's a cover band"; "No singles until now? 2009 here we go"; etc, etc, etc missing the point...the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". Also, we've all seen the songs reviewed when they were leaked; i'd say it's well beneath 50% that those reviews were generally good. So people will have pre-conceived notions pushed on them maybe even before the already listen to the album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 11:27:23 PM To us huge GNR fans, of course we'll want to hear the finished versions of these songs and we'll be excited to do so.
to the average rock/gnr fan, they are going to seek out these songs (especially now that there is a track listing, making it 1,000,000 times easier to do so) and they will find them. as many have said, whats out there right now are demo versions... reminds me of when the first HULK movie came out and was panned by those who saw rough cuts of it. by the time the real version came out on the big screen, early reviews had tainted the real reviews and made everyone think the actual movie was just as sucky as the "demo"/rough cut was. ---- if the album versions are better than the demos, it won't matter, the demos are what most are going to hear first. And lets be honest, how different can the album versions REALLY be? I like these songs, but not sure the avg. music fan is going to be blown away by them. everything today is about perception. the fact this is dropping and some of the songs are 5-6 years old will be insane to some people. CD has already been dragged through the mud by some just for the fact of how long it's taken to release it and how much money it's cost to create. I hope there is a 2nd disc chock full of new songs that will be released in early 09. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 11:32:45 PM the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". What if the reader hasn't heard any of the songs or only heard them at a concert two years ago? Does it take away any of the quality if the songs are "old" because of certain individuals stealing from the band? In your opinion none of the leaked tracks should've been released so you don't have to worry about the reviewers thinking the songs are old? Would it be a good idea to let thieves decide what you do with your music? This is nothing new. GN'R recorded songs that were around during the AFD days for the UYI albums. Did it stop Don't Cry, November Rain or You Could Be Mine from being hits? You keep repeating this day after day. ::) /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DarkKnight on October 17, 2008, 11:34:01 PM Will be interesting to see when three MONSTERS of rock, AC/DC, Metallica and GNR, all release albums in the same year, assuming they are all successful when all is said and done, if we don't see a return of the rock in 2009. No. All these bands are very old. I hate to say that, but in the entertainment business, age matters. You're going to need a lot of youth to bring rock back. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 17, 2008, 11:36:19 PM Those 2 albums aren't really forward moving. In order to get it back, has to be something new and fresh.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 17, 2008, 11:40:36 PM the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". What if the reader hasn't heard any of the songs or only heard them at a concert two years ago? Does it take away any of the quality if the songs are "old" because of certain individuals stealing from the band? In your opinion none of the leaked tracks should've been released so you don't have to worry about the reviewers thinking the songs are old? Would it be a good idea to let thieves decide what you do with your music? This is nothing new. GN'R recorded songs that were around during the AFD days for the UYI albums. Did it stop Don't Cry, November Rain or You Could Be Mine from being hits? /jarmo I gotta say its hard to refute a lot of your points. Though calling leak listeners "thieves" is a bit Lars Ulrich of you :hihi: Not to argue with what you said, b/c for the most part I agree with you, but almost NOBODY heard DC, NR or YCBM until they came out on the illusions - there wasn't a napster/limewire/youtube back then. If there was, and you heard all of those songs a a few months, a year after AFD was released - and then you found out UYI was full of "old" songs, I think you'd be a bit bummed. the illusions were highly anticipated albums (and there was also two of them at once - even if all of those songs were "old" to most/some people, there would still have been enough new material to go around). Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 11:51:03 PM Though calling leak listeners "thieves" is a bit Lars Ulrich of you :hihi: I didn't call listeners anything. Not to argue with what you said, b/c for the most part I agree with you, but almost NOBODY heard DC, NR or YCBM until they came out on the illusions - there wasn't a napster/limewire/youtube back then. I knew that point was gonna be made. A lot of points that have been made is nothing new in the world of GN'R. In the past, before Chinese Democracy, they did play new songs live before the album in question was released. In the past, they used songs that we written years earlier on the albums. The point wasn't really about hearing songs, the point was about the songs being old. Only two of the songs have been officially released. One in a video game and the other is in a movie. That's a fact. And there's a bunch of people out there that might not be big enough fans to look for illegal leaks, but when they hear a song they like on the radio, they'll want the album it's on. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jazjme on October 17, 2008, 11:52:20 PM the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". What if the reader hasn't heard any of the songs or only heard them at a concert two years ago? Does it take away any of the quality if the songs are "old" because of certain individuals stealing from the band? In your opinion none of the leaked tracks should've been released so you don't have to worry about the reviewers thinking the songs are old? Would it be a good idea to let thieves decide what you do with your music? This is nothing new. GN'R recorded songs that were around during the AFD days for the UYI albums. Did it stop Don't Cry, November Rain or You Could Be Mine from being hits? /jarmo I gotta say its hard to refute a lot of your points. Though calling leak listeners "thieves" is a bit Lars Ulrich of you :hihi: Not to argue with what you said, b/c for the most part I agree with you, but almost NOBODY heard DC, NR or YCBM until they came out on the illusions - there wasn't a napster/limewire/youtube back then. If there was, and you heard all of those songs a a few months, a year after AFD was released - and then you found out UYI was full of "old" songs, I think you'd be a bit bummed. the illusions were highly anticipated albums (and there was also two of them at once - even if all of those songs were "old" to most/some people, there would still have been enough new material to go around). Thats not true I had NR, DC, Back of Bitch, in 87 on vinyl boots as demos, and I was ecstatic when they finally hit Illusions. And let me tell you I may have been used to and had a love and affinity for the way they sounded as demos. But to hear them finally finished was so awesome. And all my friends and I were so pumped at the concerts when they played them (and knowing the words)! But to be fair, I a,so heard DC, live in 87 as I was attending shows since then. On topic I think the track list is great. I think this as a whole is gonna be an incredible musical journey and I believe , even though Ive heard the songs, Ive not hard anything till I hear the actual album, that excites the hell out of me! :beer: :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 17, 2008, 11:53:04 PM Axl should release this album the way HE wants to release it, and not let others actions dictate what songs he puts on it. This has been his vision and his many tireless years of work.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 17, 2008, 11:55:31 PM Axl should release this album the way HE wants to release it, and not let others actions dictate what songs he puts on it. This has been his vision and his many tireless years of work. Exactly. It's quite astounding seeing people saying things like "this song shouldn't be on the album because I heard it already and I want something new". /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Montrealrocks on October 17, 2008, 11:57:41 PM Axl should release this album the way HE wants to release it, and not let others actions dictate what songs he puts on it. This has been his vision and his many tireless years of work. Exactly. It's quite astounding seeing people saying things like "this song shouldn't be on the album because I heard it already and I want something new". /jarmo Did somebody said that? REALLY? hahahahah pathetic.... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 18, 2008, 12:01:37 AM I deleted every single leak off my computer. No need for demos when the real deal is on its way. Not hearing these songs for a month is going to make Nov 23rd all that much better.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 12:03:06 AM Axl should release this album the way HE wants to release it, and not let others actions dictate what songs he puts on it. This has been his vision and his many tireless years of work. Exactly. It's quite astounding seeing people saying things like "this song shouldn't be on the album because I heard it already and I want something new". /jarmo Did somebody said that? REALLY? hahahahah pathetic.... That's the impression they give when they complain about the tracks on the album and hearing them already or there not being enough "new songs"..... /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 12:03:17 AM Here is my take on it. Im glad these songs are gonna be released now and get them out of the way.
So now we know, for next album, to be patient and not DL anything. I for one will never DL anything else. This is in no way GNR's fault. its like a guy going into a whore house and cheating on his wife. He can easily say......... "Well there were 5 naked women all over me........ Yeah but its still your fault for being in there. Same with this. It's not GNR's responsibility to cater to people who illegally DL their songs. when u make a CD or an album, its very special and personal to u. Axl isn't a POP star chasing a hit. He is a guy who writes deep, introspective songs and if people relate, GREAT, if they don't thats ok also. so this is his vision and how he wants it and the fact a couple thousand of us DL them before hand is in no way gonna influence him on what to put on the Cd. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lord Kayoss on October 18, 2008, 12:12:15 AM Quote I'm really excited for "Catcher In The Rye" to be there. thank god Catcher is on the album!!! i was so worried they would save it for future releases! i am really happy now :beer: Amen to that! Bottoms up! :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: lennonisgod on October 18, 2008, 12:17:59 AM I don't have a problem with this tracklist at all. Of course the leaks are on the album... that's not really a big surprise.
The worst part about listening to the tracks early when they leaked, is it's gonna be hard to actually sit down and listen to this album and think of it as "an album." Does that make any sense?? We've heard these songs so many times, over so many years, that it will just be weird to hear them all grouped together with a few new songs thrown in. Of course, we have only ourselves to blame for that. This album is going to kick so much ass regardless... nothing else even has to be said. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 18, 2008, 12:18:56 AM the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". What if the reader hasn't heard any of the songs or only heard them at a concert two years ago? Does it take away any of the quality if the songs are "old" because of certain individuals stealing from the band? In your opinion none of the leaked tracks should've been released so you don't have to worry about the reviewers thinking the songs are old? Would it be a good idea to let thieves decide what you do with your music? This is nothing new. GN'R recorded songs that were around during the AFD days for the UYI albums. Did it stop Don't Cry, November Rain or You Could Be Mine from being hits? You keep repeating this day after day. ::) /jarmo so is TWAT gonna change leak to master the way NR changed from 20 minute song to 9 minute all time great? and i think we can agree that there are some songs that thieves legitimately stole and leaked and some songs that managed to slip out of the studio, nudge nudge, wink wink i would also think that if they're doing a single in the normal manner, you cant possibly have the debut single be a song that's already been going around a couple years. Is that letting the leakers decide the course of action? maybe so, but it's the new age of music distirbution that no one's been able to figure out. If there's truly 3 albums of material and the label is getting all their money back in this best buy deal, if i was Axl i would have released the titles we've already heard from leaks on the website a la Radiohead or NIN, and publicize it as such (pay what you wish kinda thing) and then release the all new album via best buy, or maybe best buy first then web release of the "old" new stuff...yeah, he's been shackled-pardon the pun-by the leaks but that way he avoids negative press based solely on the fact we've heard the material already Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 18, 2008, 12:19:24 AM I love how on the best buy page posted on the original post in this thread, there are already 39 reviews of an album that isn't out yet :hihi:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 12:29:18 AM so is TWAT gonna change leak to master the way NR changed from 20 minute song to 9 minute all time great? Does it matter? If you wanted to be as technical about it as you seem to be, both songs were "old" when they were released. he avoids negative press based solely on the fact we've heard the material already But "we" haven't... You still don't seem to get the idea that it's possible the record company thinks this is an amazing album. Do you think it would be possible that they, even though you're worried about the reviewers bashing the songs for being old, think the songs are so fucking awesome that they need to be released? Just for the record. I'm curious, this worry you have, is it legit? Or is it just another way for you to say that you wish they would've put other songs, that you haven't heard, on the album? Because you chose to ruin the surprise..... /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 18, 2008, 12:32:13 AM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion OK, so still (kinda) outside of your perspective: Yes, they have to sell it to the general audience, not only to GNR fans. Anyway, the option of downloading the leaks or not is the same. Those who likes any kind of music (hard rock) and wanted to listen to them just did. It's their problem, they should've known it would be on the next GNR record. Just don't have the right to complain now. Getting to your point, let?s consider what general music fans could've legally heard: Regularly played since 2001/02: "CD", "Madagascar" and "The Blues"= 3 songs; If we count "Rhiad", played only 3 times. = 4 songs On 2006 they added "Better" and "IRS", so we have 6 "revealed" songs. TWAT, on just 2 shows = 7 songs Rock Band (not everyone has videogames): Shackler's = 8 songs Body of Lies: If the World (1:30, not everyone saw/will see the movie) = 9 CD "revealed" songs Ask those people this: 1) When was the last time GNR toured? 2) Have you been there? 3) Did you listen to some bootleg track/video? Like it? 4) Say 3 new GNR song titles? 5) Could you sing them/remember the melodies? 6) Who are the members these days? The ordinary answers you would have: 1) Not sure or / Maybe 2006. 2) No or / I went to one concert and was great. 3) No or / I saw a bootleg couple times. I liked, but prefer the old songs/band. 4) Madagascar, Axl played on VMA's;.... Better and.... don't know. 5) No. Wait! Na na na na .. I know better, better.. na na na... that's all dude. 6) Axl, Bucket.. no, Bumblefoot, Robert Finck and.. well Slash is out. Remember those guys looking scared at you when you sang along "the blues" at one of the concerts? That was not because your voice sucked.. in fact, they didn't know the lyrics and didn't understand how you knew it. So, do you really think that those "9" (5) songs are old to them?? I'd say 3 "vaguely known" songs at the most. On the other hand, the reason GNR showed this songs on gigs/game/movie was to make the public familiar with at least 1 of those tracks, generanting curiosity and interest, and that's what marketing is all about. Sales are just consequences. Could we have the same hype if the songs were totally new? Maybe for us downloading motherfuckers, but not for the rest of the world. Just promotion for 14 unknown tracks of a "15 years inactive" band, even with strong "brands" like GNR, Axl and Chinese Democracy, wouldn't be enough for this shitty music market nowadays. The "making it familiar" strategy is a very smart way to mitigate that, a least a little. My friends, those "free trials"(legal ones) along with apropriate mass promotion, which is on it's way, the band members charisma, AND THE FINISHED TRACKS, will make GNR rule the world again. P.S.: Also, remember, if they didn't play any new songs on those ways: "Fuck! they play the same songs since 1994"; "I told the album doesn't exist"; "It's a cover band"; "No singles until now? 2009 here we go"; etc, etc, etc missing the point...the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". Also, we've all seen the songs reviewed when they were leaked; i'd say it's well beneath 50% that those reviews were generally good. So people will have pre-conceived notions pushed on them maybe even before the already listen to the album. And there have been a bunch of articles already written about the deal with Best Buy, and I don't remember reading anything about the fact that fans will really only be getting the chance to hear 3 new songs. Maybe I missed that part. If they know about the leaks, they certainly know they're all a part of the tracklist, why wait for the official review to mention that? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 18, 2008, 12:51:14 AM "We do about four or five songs that we've done at the various shows ... but we're still holding our big guns back..."
At this point, I think they had played Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy & Rhiad live... I am also under the impression (though I could be wrong) that at least Shackler's, Better & Sorry came together after this statement. So that leaves If The World, Prostitute, Catcher, There Was A Time, This I Love, Scraped & I.R.S.... I wonder which songs in particular he was referring to, considering how everyone seems to have their own favourites when it comes to these songs. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 18, 2008, 12:57:30 AM I'm guessing. Twat (song is amazzzzzing) This I Love, Scraped, Maybe that song thought to be "Checkmate" I'm actually hoping that is "Scraped" cause that song had a serious kick to it. You can include Prostitute to that list. I think all these songs are going to be money.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: destroier on October 18, 2008, 12:59:00 AM "We do about four or five songs that we've done at the various shows ... but we're still holding our big guns back..." At this point, I think they had played Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy & Rhiad live... I am also under the impression (though I could be wrong) that at least Shackler's, Better & Sorry came together after this statement. So that leaves If The World, Prostitute, Catcher, There Was A Time, This I Love, Scraped & I.R.S.... I wonder which songs in particular he was referring to, considering how everyone seems to have their own favourites when it comes to these songs. I think he mentioned Better as being among his two or three favorites at one point. This I Love is probably a "big gun", based on it being a follow up to November Rain/Estranged. The rest, such as The General are probably being saved for the other two albums. It would be kind of stupid to release 14 "big guns" on one album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 18, 2008, 01:00:34 AM "We do about four or five songs that we've done at the various shows ... but we're still holding our big guns back..." At this point, I think they had played Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy & Rhiad live... I am also under the impression (though I could be wrong) that at least Shackler's, Better & Sorry came together after this statement. So that leaves If The World, Prostitute, Catcher, There Was A Time, This I Love, Scraped & I.R.S.... I wonder which songs in particular he was referring to, considering how everyone seems to have their own favourites when it comes to these songs. Eazy, that statement sounds like it was made back in 2002. Better is a HUGE gun. TWAT was played twice and IRS replaced Rhiad in the rotation every show. And then we hear the other new songs... Axl has more guns than the late Charlton Heston had. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 18, 2008, 01:25:24 AM so is TWAT gonna change leak to master the way NR changed from 20 minute song to 9 minute all time great? Does it matter? If you wanted to be as technical about it as you seem to be, both songs were "old" when they were released. he avoids negative press based solely on the fact we've heard the material already But "we" haven't... You still don't seem to get the idea that it's possible the record company thinks this is an amazing album. Do you think it would be possible that they, even though you're worried about the reviewers bashing the songs for being old, think the songs are so fucking awesome that they need to be released? Just for the record. I'm curious, this worry you have, is it legit? Or is it just another way for you to say that you wish they would've put other songs, that you haven't heard, on the album? Because you chose to ruin the surprise..... /jarmo the implication with NR at the very least is that yeah it was from pre-AFD, but it was completely retooled. That contextual argument probably wont apply here. "we" being a collective... who knows what the record company thinks? were they the ones that sicced the FBI on the guy that leaked If the world? Why was no one arrested for Better? Why wasnt Mike Piazza arrested when he let that song (IRS was it?) out? My answer would be that those songs were meant to be leaked in order to play them at concerts and not have people be lost. my worry, if being completely open, is multi faceted: literally the first thing i ever searched on the internet was GnR, i've stuck with Axl through a lot, and i want that to pay off by my (all of ours) loyalty being rewarded by GnR becoming huge again, and anything that interrupts that i see as a set back. as a personal fan of Axl, i'm pulling for him to release some stuff that shuts up the haters, which means a great album. frankly, of the songs leaked, i think Catcher has greatness in it, TWAT is fantastic, If The World has some of the coolest guitar i've ever heard in mainstream rock, Better is cool but overrated by a lot of us....of the rest of the rockers i still think Oh My God is the best i've heard. The rest arent terrible songs, but arent Jungle, Sweet Child, Estranged, Dont Cry etc, they're more along the lines of the Garden or Rocket Queen; cool stuff but wont be hits and wont be classics. And, bluntly, i think the weakness in what i've heard so far is Axl's lyric writing, at least on the level of the subjects. He's self-indulging too much on the pain he felt from whatever (Steph, the band breaking up etc etc). I realize that youthful anger wont be there, but that's the problem. He was gone so long and left at the apex of the world that there's a void. His legend never "cheapened" the way Vedders did or Metallica's did, in a way he died like Cobain. Except he's going to release new material and we expect or want another record with the same ground breaking kick in the ass that Appetite had or Illusions had...and frankly it isnt there. I havent heard any big guns. The songs i think are great arent really hit material and i'm not sure i hear anything to stop the critics from breaking out the "14 years for THIS?" critique. If this album is released by a new band no one's ever heard of, it gets 4-5 stars out of 5. But for the guy that wrote November Rain and Sweet Child i'm not sure the burden of expectation allows what i've heard to be more than 3/5. i cant say i'm disappointed in what i've heard because on an objective level it's very very good with moments you can put up with anything ever released by anyone (the breakdown and chorus in Catcher for instance), but on a selfishly subjective level i think i was expecting 80 minutes of spellbinding amazement. And i think i'm disappointed, not in what i hear, but in what i dont. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: riotact_vancity on October 18, 2008, 01:30:31 AM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion OK, so still (kinda) outside of your perspective: Yes, they have to sell it to the general audience, not only to GNR fans. Anyway, the option of downloading the leaks or not is the same. Those who likes any kind of music (hard rock) and wanted to listen to them just did. It's their problem, they should've known it would be on the next GNR record. Just don't have the right to complain now. Getting to your point, let?s consider what general music fans could've legally heard: Regularly played since 2001/02: "CD", "Madagascar" and "The Blues"= 3 songs; If we count "Rhiad", played only 3 times. = 4 songs On 2006 they added "Better" and "IRS", so we have 6 "revealed" songs. TWAT, on just 2 shows = 7 songs Rock Band (not everyone has videogames): Shackler's = 8 songs Body of Lies: If the World (1:30, not everyone saw/will see the movie) = 9 CD "revealed" songs Ask those people this: 1) When was the last time GNR toured? 2) Have you been there? 3) Did you listen to some bootleg track/video? Like it? 4) Say 3 new GNR song titles? 5) Could you sing them/remember the melodies? 6) Who are the members these days? The ordinary answers you would have: 1) Not sure or / Maybe 2006. 2) No or / I went to one concert and was great. 3) No or / I saw a bootleg couple times. I liked, but prefer the old songs/band. 4) Madagascar, Axl played on VMA's;.... Better and.... don't know. 5) No. Wait! Na na na na .. I know better, better.. na na na... that's all dude. 6) Axl, Bucket.. no, Bumblefoot, Robert Finck and.. well Slash is out. Remember those guys looking scared at you when you sang along "the blues" at one of the concerts? That was not because your voice sucked.. in fact, they didn't know the lyrics and didn't understand how you knew it. So, do you really think that those "9" (5) songs are old to them?? I'd say 3 "vaguely known" songs at the most. On the other hand, the reason GNR showed this songs on gigs/game/movie was to make the public familiar with at least 1 of those tracks, generanting curiosity and interest, and that's what marketing is all about. Sales are just consequences. Could we have the same hype if the songs were totally new? Maybe for us downloading motherfuckers, but not for the rest of the world. Just promotion for 14 unknown tracks of a "15 years inactive" band, even with strong "brands" like GNR, Axl and Chinese Democracy, wouldn't be enough for this shitty music market nowadays. The "making it familiar" strategy is a very smart way to mitigate that, a least a little. My friends, those "free trials"(legal ones) along with apropriate mass promotion, which is on it's way, the band members charisma, AND THE FINISHED TRACKS, will make GNR rule the world again. P.S.: Also, remember, if they didn't play any new songs on those ways: "Fuck! they play the same songs since 1994"; "I told the album doesn't exist"; "It's a cover band"; "No singles until now? 2009 here we go"; etc, etc, etc missing the point...the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". Also, we've all seen the songs reviewed when they were leaked; i'd say it's well beneath 50% that those reviews were generally good. So people will have pre-conceived notions pushed on them maybe even before the already listen to the album. And there have been a bunch of articles already written about the deal with Best Buy, and I don't remember reading anything about the fact that fans will really only be getting the chance to hear 3 new songs. Maybe I missed that part. If they know about the leaks, they certainly know they're all a part of the tracklist, why wait for the official review to mention that? how would any review mentioning the leaks automatically have been a bad review anyway? gets right down to it, i havent seen many reviews of the leaked tracks that were positive, i'd say it runs 50/50, with a good number of them at least leaving the "...but we'll wait for the album" caveat maybe my mind is going (been writing a paper all night) but every story i've read with the tracklist mentioned threw out the leaks issue Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 01:48:45 AM the implication with NR at the very least is that yeah it was from pre-AFD, but it was completely retooled. That contextual argument probably wont apply here. So you don't have a problem with the song being "old", it's just that you chose to listen to it that is causing problems? who knows what the record company thinks? were they the ones that sicced the FBI on the guy that leaked If the world? Why was no one arrested for Better? Why wasnt Mike Piazza arrested when he let that song (IRS was it?) out? My answer would be that those songs were meant to be leaked in order to play them at concerts and not have people be lost. Who knows what they think? Well, I assumed that since you're so good at coming up with possible scenarios for what the reviewers will say, I thought you could do the same with the record company. It was the FBI and RIAA. RIAA works for the record companies. The law didn't exist until 2005 (I think). as a personal fan of Axl, i'm pulling for him to release some stuff that shuts up the haters, which means a great album. Exactly. And a great album doesn't become less great because you heard the songs. AFD is still great! And you might have been listening to that for over 20 years! Except he's going to release new material and we expect or want another record with the same ground breaking kick in the ass that Appetite had or Illusions had...and frankly it isnt there. That's you being the reviewer you worry about. Kinda ironic.... You keep comparing LEAKS to finished tracks you have listened to for at least 17 years. That's such a fair comparison. Maybe you don't get what you want out of the album (which you haven't heard yet) because you changed? Maybe you don't get what you want out of it because you ruined it all for yourself? Basically everything you said, with the exception of things that relate to the Internet, could've been said in 1991 before UYI were released. Here you are slamming the album before you even heard it while "worrying" about critics. To me it just looks like you're upset because you ruined the surprise. I kinda feel sorry for you. At a time, that everybody looked forward to, some claimed to have waited for it for years and how great it would be once the day came, you're focusing on the negatives. It just seems that everything nice is followed by a "but......". /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl4ever on October 18, 2008, 02:12:42 AM One thing that gets really old is people complaining about an album that's never been heard. We've heard leaks but have not heard a finished product. I love what I've heard from leaks and am looking forward to the completed album. It's like there are so many people against Axl. It's not going to be Appetite for Destruction part II, but neither were UYI's. Even if the "original" GNR were together today, they wouldn't be putting out another AFD. If they had stayed together, they would have moved forward musically and their interests would have changed. I don't think Velvet Revolver is a redo if AFD but it feels like because it's Axl doing it solo (which Chinese Democracy is for the most part), it's wrong. Fans have let previous GNR members move forward and appreciated their work. Why not Axl?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RTK on October 18, 2008, 02:37:04 AM This is awesome stuff, love the trackilsting. 14 songs is great, I hate it when bands put out like 10 songs, the CD is 80 mins for a reason!
Also, I don't think that having heard the songs diminishes them in any way. The first time I heard the latest version of Chinese Democracy (the song) I was blown away, cuz it was familiar to the live version we'd had for years but sounded really good and improved. The only bad thing will probably be lazy critics and reviewers who will just spend the whole review retelling the story of how long its been and who's been in and out etc... I don't think there's gonna be any problem with the quality of these songs, Axl knows the importance of the album on both the public perception of him and the band and his psyche. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl4ever on October 18, 2008, 02:43:06 AM This is awesome stuff, love the trackilsting. 14 songs is great, I hate it when bands put out like 10 songs, the CD is 80 mins for a reason! Also, I don't think that having heard the songs diminishes them in any way. The first time I heard the latest version of Chinese Democracy (the song) I was blown away, cuz it was familiar to the live version we'd had for years but sounded really good and improved. The only bad thing will probably be lazy critics and reviewers who will just spend the whole review retelling the story of how long its been and who's been in and out etc... I don't think there's gonna be any problem with the quality of these songs, Axl knows the importance of the album on both the public perception of him and the band and his psyche. You've got a good point abut the critics rehashing the time it took to get the album out and forgetting about the content. I honestly believe that true fans of GNR will get past the critics and that new fans will listen to the music and not the BS being put out their by people who for one, never thought the the album would come out, two, who may have a grudge against Axl and three, can't admit they were wrong about the BS they spoke for yrs when they didn't think it would ever see the light of day. All reviews should be based on the content and quality of the music, not the other stuff. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: big guns on October 18, 2008, 02:50:54 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!!
Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 18, 2008, 02:54:31 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!! Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Axl was playing a lot of Piano back then. A lot of songs he had written before GNR even became a band. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bruno Poeys on October 18, 2008, 03:02:15 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!! Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Axl was playing a lot of Piano back then. A lot of songs he had written before GNR even became a band. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jazjme on October 18, 2008, 03:04:09 AM DUDE why are you here?^
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 18, 2008, 03:09:35 AM Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jazjme on October 18, 2008, 03:14:34 AM TO say that NR, and DC, etc sucked ,back then is to say why you even bother spending time on something or a band you clearly don't like, that's kinda fucked upped imo. What the fuck you looking for.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DEAD HORSE on October 18, 2008, 03:30:41 AM I don't care if I've heard 9 songs already, I wish IRS would be there though, I LOVE that song, :crying:
I'm glad there are 14 songs, I hope the cd booklet rocks and have tons of pictures ;D :drool: Hail Axl! ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 18, 2008, 03:32:39 AM I don't care if I've heard 9 songs already, I wish IRS would be there though, I LOVE that song, :crying: I'm glad there are 14 songs, I hope the cd booklet rocks and have tons of pictures ;D :drool: Hail Axl! ;) IRS is there my friend! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: RTK on October 18, 2008, 03:33:10 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!! Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Way to put so much pressure on the guy. I don't think that one album can cement someone's status, the best I think it can do is justify the long wait. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: DEAD HORSE on October 18, 2008, 03:35:48 AM I don't care if I've heard 9 songs already, I wish IRS would be there though, I LOVE that song, :crying: I'm glad there are 14 songs, I hope the cd booklet rocks and have tons of pictures ;D :drool: Hail Axl! ;) IRS is there my friend! OOoooPS! LOL my bad! :beer: cheers then Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 18, 2008, 03:37:50 AM I don't care if I've heard 9 songs already, I wish IRS would be there though, I LOVE that song, :crying: I'm glad there are 14 songs, I hope the cd booklet rocks and have tons of pictures ;D :drool: Hail Axl! ;) IRS is there my friend! OOoooPS! LOL my bad! :beer: cheers then Salud! :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bodhi on October 18, 2008, 03:39:57 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!! Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Axl was playing a lot of Piano back then. A lot of songs he had written before GNR even became a band. Guns N Roses have never released anything that sounded "dated." That is one of the reasons why they are great...their music stands the test of time. All of GNR songs are still in heavy rotation here in the NYC area on 92.3 K Rock. You can not go 1 hour without hearing a GNR song...and none of it sounds dated... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 18, 2008, 03:43:44 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!! Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Axl was playing a lot of Piano back then. A lot of songs he had written before GNR even became a band. Guns N Roses have never released anything that sounds "dated." That is one of the reasons why they are great...their music stands the test of time. All of GNR songs are still in heavy rotation here in the NYC area on 92.3 K Rock. You can not go 1 hour without hearing a GNR song...and none of it sounds dated... When you're getting a tongue lashing from the oldest guy on the board, you know you're wrong. When I first heard Jungle, I thought it was a new song. When I researched it, I was blown away that it was a song from 1987. My mom who is almost 60 has become a fan of the band. She will probably take in a GN'R show the next time they play. I've gotten lots of people from college into GN'R, new and old songs, and they love 'em. When a song is good, it's good! Doesn't matter when it was written or released. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gilee7 on October 18, 2008, 04:28:06 AM I can't believe so many people are bitching about the track listing. What the fuck did you people expect? You knew when you listened to the leaks that you were spoiling the "surprise" factor. That's your own fault, not Axl's. We've known for awhile now what 3/4ths of Chinese Democracy would look like. There was only going to be room for 4 or 5 unheard songs.
I tried my best, when "Better" and "TWAT" and all those were leaked, to keep from listening to them. I went several months, but eventually I couldn't resist the temptation. Plus Axl was playing the leaks at the concerts, so I figured it was okay to give them a listen. I never downloaded any; I only listened to them on Youtube, and only for a few times a piece; I knew I didn't want the songs to get old, so I wrapped them back up and placed them under the metaphorical Christmas tree. It's been probably a year and a half now since I've heard any of them. I never did seek out the leak of "If the World," so that song is new to me, too. I did listen to "Shackler's Revenge," but only twice. For the most part, I'm proud of myself for trying to maintain the "newness" of the album. When I first read the track listing, I started freaking out 'cause I was like "Oh, my God, where's 'The Blues?'" Then I remembered the lyric about "the street of dreams," and figured the title had just been changed, though I don't know why, 'cause "The Blues" sounds so much cooler. I was going to very bummed if that song wasn't on the album, though. From my understanding, there's never been a leaked studio version (that I know of). I've only heard it played live. Same goes for "Chinese Democracy" and "Madagascar." Considering how awesome those songs already are live, I can't imagine how much more awesome they're going to be on the studio versions. Whenever I buy an album, there's usually at least a couple of songs I've already heard on the radio or something, and can't get out of my head, so I'm excited to put in the CD and listen to those songs over and over. For me, that's how I'm feeling about "Better" and "TWAT" and all these amazing songs on Chinese Democracy. Yeah, I may have heard them before, but that's been awhile, and I'm dying to hear them again--- Plus, I only heard them on some website, through my crappy computer, not in my kickass stereo. Now we to get to hear the final versions, instead of some unfinished demo. I think you people also overestimate the number of people who have actually sought out these leaked tracks. I don't think the common person, even the casual GNR fan, has ever heard any of these songs. Maybe a couple of them, but no way they've heard as many as you guys have. For a long time now I've been dying in anticipation of all my friends hearing "Better" for the first time, along with all these other songs. I want to share this amazing music with as many people as I can. Now, after Nov. 23, I'll finally be able to. I expect to have my friends saying to me, "Oh, my God, I just heard this new GNR song on the radio--- It's fucking awesome!" And just because we've heard a song doesn't diminish it anyway, either. Don't we all still listen to AFD? That album's twenty years old now, yet it still kicks more ass than anything released today. Same goes for the UYI albums. A great song is a great song, no matter if it was created yesterday or a decade ago. I've been bouncing off the walls ever since I saw the track listing and the album cover, because that "Oh, my God, it's actually happening; it's finally coming out!" moment hit me. The only thing I'm disappointed about is the inclusion of "Rhiad and the Bedouins" because I just do not like that song; it'll probably end up being my least favorite GNR track of all time, though the final version may sound better than what I had heard originally. I don't know about you other guys--- we have all ages here it seems--- but I'm 21 years old; I was too young to ever even know who GNR was when the original line-up was together. I remember seeing my brother's cassette of AFD, and that's about it. I discovered GNR around the sixth grade, when there was absolutely nothing going on in the GNR world. Seeing the surprise performance at the VMAs was the coolest shit ever for me because that was the first time I ever saw GnR performing live (on my T.V. of course, not in person), right at that very moment, instead of just some music video or footage from back in the day. The release of Chinese Democracy will be the first GNR album I will have ever bought on the day of its release, instead of several years later as it has been with the others. I've always looked back on the late 80's and early 90's and wished that I had been old enough to experience and appreciate GnR when they were the biggest band on the planet. Now, in this "second coming," "resurrection," "re-emergence," whatever you wanna call it, I'm finally going to be able to live that experience. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Chuzeville on October 18, 2008, 04:36:55 AM Whether the songs on CD are old is a moot point really.
But I'm also wondering about Axl and about the band. It's gotta be strange to them to finally release songs that have been around for years. I'm afraid they might be tired of them even before they're released... :-\ Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Butch Français on October 18, 2008, 04:54:52 AM Whether the songs on CD are old is a moot point really. But I'm also wondering about Axl and about the band. It's gotta be strange to them to finally release songs that have been around for years. I'm afraid they might be tired of them even before they're released... :-\ bah, they still play songs live that are a LOT older than these. I think they're more relieved to get these awesome songs they've been hiding for years out into the public, and I think they'll be too proud and excited to think too much about the age of the songs. on another note, how can someone believe that an album that's been in the making since 1993, according to some people, have only new songs? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: cyllan on October 18, 2008, 05:16:05 AM Great post, Gilee7, and even though I don't know you personally, as a fellow GN'R fan, I'm so happy that you're going to get to experience this release as it happens. Although things have undoubtedly changed since the release of the Illusion albums, it's still going to an incredible moment when this album makes its debut into the spotlight.
To those who are worrying about the tracklist and/or not feeling as excited as they'd imagined they would, I'd just like to add my tuppence to the debate. Firstly, you feel what you feel and just because it doesn't match other people's experience doesn't invalidate yours. We will all get to experience this album in our own way and at our own pace. To some it may hit them like a lightning bolt and to others I think it'll be a slow burn. I know that I'll have to take a few minutes just holding the CD and savouring the moment before opening it. It's a moment that'll never come again and I know it'll take a while to sink in. For some, the real excitement may hit days or weeks after that first listen, you'll suddenly glimpse the album in the rack and it'll be like, yeah, it's real. Also, (and sorry to bore those of you who've heard this story before), I heard Estranged for the first time at a show in Germany and it was one of those moments where you get goosebumps all over. I thought it was the most hauntingly beautiful song I'd ever heard and was totally lost in the moment. But just because it wasn't 'new' to me when I heard the album, it made absolutely no difference and I was just as touched when I heard the studio version. Don't Cry is another that, strictly speaking, wasn't 'new' to me on the album, but that didn't stop it reducing me to tears. And it still does at times; the version from 2007 in Japan brought back all the emotion I'd felt that very first time I heard the Illusion albums, and with such intensity that I had tears rolling down my cheeks. The bottom line is that music can move you the first, second, third or however many times you hear it. I still hear new things in UYI or AFD and I believe that as you mature your reaction to certain tracks changes too and this keeps the music sounding fresh - well, quality music like GN'R makes anyway. My last point to the worriers is to take you back to the 2006 tour. Imagine this scenario: you're looking forward to the show you've booked for, but a week or so before you read the set list for a previous show and are a little disappointed that there's not your favourite song listed or not enough new material being played. You feel a little subdued and not quite as excited but, of course, go to the show anyway. Now, the moment the band stepped on stage and Axl let loose with his trademark scream, how did it feel? I doubt for one moment that you were giving any thought to the set list at that precise time. I expect you were caught up totally in the present and I truly believe that this is how you'll feel when the first notes of CD begin blasting from your stereo. Any doubts will be swept away. OK that wasn't my last point, but I promise this really is. The cover art. No-one can possibly form an opinion from a computer scan a couple of inches in size. Wait until you've seen the real thing. Album covers were meant to be viewed in all their 12" glory - from front to back (and inside to outside, in the case of a double) - and, once again, I think people are worrying unnecessarily. This album will be nothing short of genius in all aspects and I think we all need to keep faith with Axl for just a few more weeks; after all we've been through together, let's not fall now at the final hurdle. : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: bolton on October 18, 2008, 05:17:49 AM I like set list.
1. Chinese Democracy- great song 2. Shackler's Revenge- don't like this song 3. Better-first single (amazing song) 4. Street Of Dreams (didn't hear) 5. If The World - great Axl poem 6. There Was A Time - like song number five 7.Catcher N' The Rye- second single 8. Scraped- didn't hear 9. Riad N' The Bedouins- don't like 10. Sorry-didn't hear 11. I.R.S.- great song (probably single) 12. Madagascar- the best song 13. This I Love- didn't hear 14. Prostitute - didn't hear for me this will be a KILLER ALBUM..... i don't know why they didn't put "the blues"...this song is amazing Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 18, 2008, 05:19:36 AM I like set list. 1. Chinese Democracy- great song 2. Shackler's Revenge- don't like this song 3. Better-first single (amazing song) 4. Street Of Dreams (didn't hear) 5. If The World - great Axl poem 6. There Was A Time - like song number five 7.Catcher N' The Rye- second single 8. Scraped- didn't hear 9. Riad N' The Bedouins- don't like 10. Sorry-didn't hear 11. I.R.S.- great song (probably single) 12. Madagascar- the best song 13. This I Love- didn't hear 14. Prostitute - didn't hear for me this will be a KILLER ALBUM..... i don't know why they didn't put "the blues"...this song is amazing "The Blues" is there. It has been renamed to "Street of Dreams". Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: bolton on October 18, 2008, 05:20:57 AM I like set list. 1. Chinese Democracy- great song 2. Shackler's Revenge- don't like this song 3. Better-first single (amazing song) 4. Street Of Dreams (didn't hear) 5. If The World - great Axl poem 6. There Was A Time - like song number five 7.Catcher N' The Rye- second single 8. Scraped- didn't hear 9. Riad N' The Bedouins- don't like 10. Sorry-didn't hear 11. I.R.S.- great song (probably single) 12. Madagascar- the best song 13. This I Love- didn't hear 14. Prostitute - didn't hear for me this will be a KILLER ALBUM..... i don't know why they didn't put "the blues"...this song is amazing "The Blues" is there. It has been renamed to "Street of Dreams". [/quote Ok thanks,i didn't read all posts before my coment Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: ben9785 on October 18, 2008, 05:22:03 AM No worries man. There's too many posts to go through i know hehe
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: bolton on October 18, 2008, 05:25:48 AM No worries man. There's too many posts to go through i know hehe YupTitle: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 18, 2008, 06:26:27 AM I like set list. 1. Chinese Democracy- great song 2. Shackler's Revenge- don't like this song 3. Better-first single (amazing song) 4. Street Of Dreams (didn't hear) 5. If The World - great Axl poem 6. There Was A Time - like song number five 7.Catcher N' The Rye- second single 8. Scraped- didn't hear 9. Riad N' The Bedouins- don't like 10. Sorry-didn't hear 11. I.R.S.- great song (probably single) 12. Madagascar- the best song 13. This I Love- didn't hear 14. Prostitute - didn't hear for me this will be a KILLER ALBUM..... i don't know why they didn't put "the blues"...this song is amazing "The Blues" is there. It has been renamed to "Street of Dreams". [/quote Ok thanks,i didn't read all posts before my coment and Prostitute is song number 2 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 07:14:23 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it?
:peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 18, 2008, 07:25:07 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 07:26:24 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 18, 2008, 07:41:16 AM It could have been renamed as the title "Guns N' Roses - Street of Dreams" has an appealing and memorable ring to it, it makes me think it has been selected for a single.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 18, 2008, 07:55:16 AM Dude, this album seems like a Greatest Hits II - the new GNR era!!
Can't wait! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 18, 2008, 08:05:35 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: the guy who leaked the 9 songs in june said that he knows that "song 2" "message for you" whatever people call it is prostitute because he has been accused for violating it's copyright or something Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 08:09:39 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: the guy who leaked the 9 songs in june said that he knows that "song 2" "message for you" whatever people call it is prostitute because he has been accused for violating it's copyright or something Ah ok. Cool What about Street of Dreams? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Giant_Robot on October 18, 2008, 08:12:06 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: the guy who leaked the 9 songs in june said that he knows that "song 2" "message for you" whatever people call it is prostitute because he has been accused for violating it's copyright or something Ah ok. Cool What about Street of Dreams? :peace: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53521.0 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 08:18:00 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: the guy who leaked the 9 songs in june said that he knows that "song 2" "message for you" whatever people call it is prostitute because he has been accused for violating it's copyright or something Ah ok. Cool What about Street of Dreams? :peace: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53521.0 But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gunns1 on October 18, 2008, 08:52:41 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: the guy who leaked the 9 songs in june said that he knows that "song 2" "message for you" whatever people call it is prostitute because he has been accused for violating it's copyright or something Ah ok. Cool What about Street of Dreams? :peace: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53521.0 But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? :peace: I dont know anymore then anyone else around here (gnr fanbase wise) but It must be the blues Axl has played it at every show (if im right) with the new band, in 01/02-06/07 and It seems to be one of his favourite songs, so it would make sense to have it on his first album, I mean, if they are going to have IRS on chinese, it would make sense to have a song which is more liked by the fanbase such as street of dreams/the blues... but logic isnt the truth.. so who knows Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: younggunner on October 18, 2008, 09:47:52 AM Quote But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? We know for sure because its common sense. The line is in the song and its one of Axls favorite songs. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 09:48:14 AM Has Street of Dreams been confirmed as the Blues? And has song 2 been confirmed as Prostitute? Are we just guessing or is there truth to it? :peace: It's confirmed by well informed sources. Who? :peace: the guy who leaked the 9 songs in june said that he knows that "song 2" "message for you" whatever people call it is prostitute because he has been accused for violating it's copyright or something Ah ok. Cool What about Street of Dreams? :peace: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=53521.0 But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? :peace: I dont know anymore then anyone else around here (gnr fanbase wise) but It must be the blues Axl has played it at every show (if im right) with the new band, in 01/02-06/07 and It seems to be one of his favourite songs, so it would make sense to have it on his first album, I mean, if they are going to have IRS on chinese, it would make sense to have a song which is more liked by the fanbase such as street of dreams/the blues... but logic isnt the truth.. so who knows That is another reason I don't full trust this tracklist. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 09:49:11 AM Quote But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? We know for sure because its common sense. The line is in the song and its one of Axls favorite songs. Because we ASSUME its one of Axl's favourite songs. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 18, 2008, 10:01:24 AM Quote But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? We know for sure because its common sense. The line is in the song and its one of Axls favorite songs. Because we ASSUME its one of Axl's favourite songs. :peace: Quote After all, before he lends his talents to others' projects, Rose has one of his own to finish, and he says it's getting there. "We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album. Among Rose's favorites are "Better," "There Was a Time" and "The Blues." http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9155514/axl_rose_breaks_his_silence although i think he mentioned those just like he could've mentioned any 3 other songs or maybe that at that time they were his favourites.. i have changed favourites a dozen of times i just read this little bit in a whole new way :P you know all the talks about 3 records and stuff.. and he says "13 songs are slated for the final album", final album means the last, not the first :hihi: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim on October 18, 2008, 10:20:41 AM Street of Dreams...
... Well, maybe, right... Just maybe, Street of Dreams is Part I of a new trilogy! Because the Street of Dreams from The Blues sure ain't feeling like a Street of Dreams no more! So maybe The Blues is the more the more solemn sequel to Street of Dreams? You feeling me? No? Whatever. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 10:26:41 AM Street of Dreams... ... Well, maybe, right... Just maybe, Street of Dreams is Part I of a new trilogy! Because the Street of Dreams from The Blues sure ain't feeling like a Street of Dreams no more! So maybe The Blues is the more the more solemn sequel to Street of Dreams? You feeling me? No? Whatever. You should have said "You know what the fuck I'm sayin', homefuck. OWWW" :hihi: I can dig it. And thats been something I've been thinking since 01/01/01. : ok: :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 18, 2008, 10:43:20 AM Something totally off topic...was reading the Mark Canter book and some stripper from the 80's said she was hanging out with Axl (Pre-Appetite release era), and he played Novermber Rain for her and told her he wrote it when he was 15 years old!!! Dude, I always knew he was a lyrical mastermind, but that is fn' insane. CD will prove who really is (and was) the heart of GNR. Axl's status will be cemented in time forever as one of the greatest frontmen upon release. Axl was playing a lot of Piano back then. A lot of songs he had written before GNR even became a band. Guns N Roses have never released anything that sounds "dated." That is one of the reasons why they are great...their music stands the test of time. All of GNR songs are still in heavy rotation here in the NYC area on 92.3 K Rock. You can not go 1 hour without hearing a GNR song...and none of it sounds dated... When you're getting a tongue lashing from the oldest guy on the board, you know you're wrong. When I first heard Jungle, I thought it was a new song. When I researched it, I was blown away that it was a song from 1987. My mom who is almost 60 has become a fan of the band. She will probably take in a GN'R show the next time they play. I've gotten lots of people from college into GN'R, new and old songs, and they love 'em. When a song is good, it's good! Doesn't matter when it was written or released. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 18, 2008, 11:03:39 AM Street of Dreams is probably the blues... 80% chance of it.
Song #2 is Prostitute IMO. the lyrics go with what a prostitute is, and it was said by the leaker that it is also i believe. So we have 3 new tracks to look forward to Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 11:06:15 AM Street of Dreams is probably the blues... 80% chance of it. Song #2 is Prostitute IMO. the lyrics go with what a prostitute is, and it was said by the leaker that it is also i believe. So we have 3 new tracks to look forward to I'm not worried about how many "new" songs we have. Just curious how we "know" what we "know"? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 18, 2008, 11:13:05 AM Street of Dreams is probably the blues... 80% chance of it. Maybe I'm taking your words too literally, but we have a lot more to look forward than 3 new tracks. That's reducing this accomplishment quite a bit.Song #2 is Prostitute IMO. the lyrics go with what a prostitute is, and it was said by the leaker that it is also i believe. So we have 3 new tracks to look forward to Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Voodoochild on October 18, 2008, 11:22:15 AM I'm sure Bruno was being sarcastic, lol.
And for those assuming the NR demo was too raw, what about the Don't Cry one? But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? I guess people are quoting Blueheart, adm from chinesedemocracy.com:Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? BLUEHEART: so here are few notes about the album. 1. It is true that the album is coming out on 23rd of November. 2. An official announcement will be made soon directly from Axl. 3. The artwork we've seen listed on bestbuy.com is the official CD cover 4. The tracklist is legit but the songs won't be on disc with this order. 5. The album will be released worldwide the same day but it might hit the stores in some areas the next day 6. Street Of Dreams is confirmed as The blues 7. The final tracklist of CD is the following: - Chinese Democracy - Shackler's Revenge - Better - Street Of Dreams - If The World - There Was A Time - Catcher In The Rye - Scraped - Riad N' The Bedouins - Sorry - I.R.S. - Madagascar - This I Love - Prostitute more updates to come soon - blueheart/ChineseDemocracy.Com Source: http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/forum/guns_n_roses_news/cd_cover_art_more_info_added_at_first_post-t38507.0.html;msg959805#msg959805 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 18, 2008, 11:26:02 AM I'm sure Bruno was being sarcastic, lol. And for those assuming the NR demo was too raw, what about the Don't Cry one? But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? I guess people are quoting Blueheart, adm from chinesedemocracy.com:Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? BLUEHEART: so here are few notes about the album. 1. It is true that the album is coming out on 23rd of November. 2. An official announcement will be made soon directly from Axl. 3. The artwork we've seen listed on bestbuy.com is the official CD cover 4. The tracklist is legit but the songs won't be on disc with this order. 5. The album will be released worldwide the same day but it might hit the stores in some areas the next day 6. Street Of Dreams is confirmed as The blues 7. The final tracklist of CD is the following: - Chinese Democracy - Shackler's Revenge - Better - Street Of Dreams - If The World - There Was A Time - Catcher In The Rye - Scraped - Riad N' The Bedouins - Sorry - I.R.S. - Madagascar - This I Love - Prostitute more updates to come soon - blueheart/ChineseDemocracy.Com Source: http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/forum/guns_n_roses_news/cd_cover_art_more_info_added_at_first_post-t38507.0.html;msg959805#msg959805 Ok.... We know who mysteron is. So who is Blueheart? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 18, 2008, 11:27:41 AM I'm sure Bruno was being sarcastic, lol. And for those assuming the NR demo was too raw, what about the Don't Cry one? But how do we know for sure? I know its in the lyrics but has anyone put up their hand and said yup this is 100% the blues. I don't mean one of us but someone from GN'R or Mysteron or someone like that? I guess people are quoting Blueheart, adm from chinesedemocracy.com:Who is this credible source people are speaking of that apparently knows whats doing? BLUEHEART: so here are few notes about the album. 1. It is true that the album is coming out on 23rd of November. 2. An official announcement will be made soon directly from Axl. 3. The artwork we've seen listed on bestbuy.com is the official CD cover 4. The tracklist is legit but the songs won't be on disc with this order. 5. The album will be released worldwide the same day but it might hit the stores in some areas the next day 6. Street Of Dreams is confirmed as The blues 7. The final tracklist of CD is the following: - Chinese Democracy - Shackler's Revenge - Better - Street Of Dreams - If The World - There Was A Time - Catcher In The Rye - Scraped - Riad N' The Bedouins - Sorry - I.R.S. - Madagascar - This I Love - Prostitute more updates to come soon - blueheart/ChineseDemocracy.Com Source: http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/forum/guns_n_roses_news/cd_cover_art_more_info_added_at_first_post-t38507.0.html;msg959805#msg959805 Ok.... We know who mysteron is. So who is Blueheart? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Dog on October 18, 2008, 12:56:32 PM It is going to be cool to be hearing new GNR songs on the radio. Definitely looking forward to that. Going to be A LOT of haters out there though :-\
As far as the NR/DC songs were "old" but still amazing - yeah, those are truly amazing songs. Be hard pressed to find many guns fans who don't like those songs or think they are over rated. Personally, I don't feel that way about any of the CD tracks. maybe TWAT. The rest of them don't have that timeless sound to them that all of the biggest GNR songs do (to my ears at least). Songs like SCOM and PC transcend peoples taste in music - people who only love shitty pop music or indie bands still get pumped up at a bar when the intro to jungle comes on. I just don't see that happening with a song like Better. If I'm disappointed about the lack of "new" songs on CD, its more so b/c the songs that I've already heard are for the most part, just kind of "meh". I was hoping for more "big guns". its not a question of having heard them already or not - i'd feel the same way on 11/25 after listening to the album. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: loretian on October 18, 2008, 01:14:11 PM Songs like SCOM and PC transcend peoples taste in music - people who only love shitty pop music or indie bands still get pumped up at a bar when the intro to jungle comes on. I just don't see that happening with a song like Better. If The World is the type of song that people who only love shitty pop music can get into. It, as you say, "transcends taste in music"! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Bruno Poeys on October 18, 2008, 01:19:35 PM I THINK Bruno was joking when he said NR, DC, etc. sounded dated when they came out. I THINK he was being sarcastic and pointing out how ridiculous all the people sound when they complain about the current songs not being as new as they'd like them to be. That's how I took that comment. I'm sure Bruno was being sarcastic, lol. Thank you, guys. Ya got it. ;)Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jada on October 18, 2008, 01:20:13 PM I was suprised to see that there's also a Rainbow song called Street of Dreams. I've never really listened to them though.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: chriskon72 on October 18, 2008, 01:24:43 PM Jesus, I come here everyday at least once. I haven't posted in ages because for awhile there was nothing to post about and now that there is LOTS of stuff to post about, I can't believe the stuff I see. I have been critical of the band in the past and was pissed beyond belief when March 9 past with no news. In fact pretty much no news till now and even now nothing has come from the band.
But I am sooooo fuckin happy right now. I really don't understand anyone who is complainig about the tracklisting. This will be a killer album, I'm so happy that Catcher is on there it is my fav of the new songs. I think TWAT and Catcher are up there with any other GNR song (Estranged, NR,SCOM) not only that we haven't heard the finnished versions : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: sofine11 on October 18, 2008, 01:51:35 PM I think Madagascar is one of the best GnR songs ever written That's how I feel about both Catcher and TWAT...masterpieces. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jaakko on October 18, 2008, 01:56:06 PM Am I the only one who's anxious to hear Sorry ? Bach's talk of doom metal got me waiting for this. I'm not a metal fan really, but I'd love to hear new Guns doing a Right next door to hell-type heavy rocker !
Catcher in the rye is still biggest gun to me too : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 02:05:32 PM If we are talking about what the new songs dont have
Really, and it may be intentionally due to changing styles, but I don't really hear those classic, amazing guitar riffs that every person will run out to try and learn. Its just a new style though, one that u are going to have to forget about the old and accept the new for what it is and thats different. Its not the blues rock based guitar riff that the old band was famous for. The new songs are great, just in a different way. Catcher in The Rye for me is the best of the "ballads" that or Madagascar. I really really have high hopes for "This I Love" though. I have been intrigued by the idea of this song for ever. Remember on the Behind The Music, Matt Sorum talking about Axl working on........... shit what did he say, some type of 52 instrument orchestra masterpiece or something................. I can't remember the exact quote, but I am positive this is "This I Love" he was referring to. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 18, 2008, 02:05:49 PM Am I the only one who's anxious to hear Sorry ? Bach's talk of doom metal got me waiting for this. I'm not a metal fan really, but I'd love to hear new Guns doing a Right next door to hell-type heavy rocker ! Catcher in the rye is still biggest gun to me too : ok: biggest gun indeed. but i always say that. sorry, nothing new from me. but what i wonder is how the chorus of twat (that song comes directly before catcher) will sound like in the final version. coz in the leak axls voice and the guitars didn't really fit in my humble opinion. hope it's rocking instead of being a noisy mess now. verses are so lovely, so is the outro. hope they "fixed" it. or do you guys don't see it that way (and the chorus is the even stronger part for you)? i'm just interested... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 18, 2008, 02:11:01 PM Am I the only one who's anxious to hear Sorry ? Bach's talk of doom metal got me waiting for this. I'm not a metal fan really, but I'd love to hear new Guns doing a Right next door to hell-type heavy rocker ! Catcher in the rye is still biggest gun to me too : ok: biggest gun indeed. but i always say that. sorry, nothing new from me. but what i wonder is how the chorus of twat (that song comes directly before catcher) will sound like in the final version. coz in the leak axls voice and the guitars didn't really fit in my humble opinion. hope it's rocking instead of being a noisy mess now. verses are so lovely, so is the outro. hope they "fixed" it. or do you guys don't see it that way (and the chorus is the even stronger part for you)? i'm just interested... I think there are three versions of TWAT? Twat '99, the leak from i think -04 and the leak from last summer. The one from -04 is perfect. It just needs final mixing and mastering and we have an instant classic. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 02:12:07 PM Am I the only one who's anxious to hear Sorry ? Bach's talk of doom metal got me waiting for this. I'm not a metal fan really, but I'd love to hear new Guns doing a Right next door to hell-type heavy rocker ! Catcher in the rye is still biggest gun to me too : ok: biggest gun indeed. but i always say that. sorry, nothing new from me. but what i wonder is how the chorus of twat (that song comes directly before catcher) will sound like in the final version. coz in the leak axls voice and the guitars didn't really fit in my humble opinion. hope it's rocking instead of being a noisy mess now. verses are so lovely, so is the outro. hope they "fixed" it. or do you guys don't see it that way (and the chorus is the even stronger part for you)? i'm just interested... Yeah, the Chorus is my least fave part of Twat. Like u said, it just seems kind of square into a round hole type of thing............ Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 02:16:40 PM So I assume you've all heard the finished album since you keep going on and on about the songs?
/jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SLCPUNK on October 18, 2008, 02:20:55 PM It is going to be cool to be hearing new GNR songs on the radio. Definitely looking forward to that. Going to be A LOT of haters out there though :-\ There were plenty of haters since day one. Any old school peeps remember that GnR was despised as much as they were loved since the start. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 18, 2008, 02:33:00 PM So I assume you've all heard the finished album since you keep going on and on about the songs? /jarmo ? no, we just discuss old leaks, how they changed, what we hope to hear in the final version(s). at least that's what i do. thinking about what parts (or songs as a whole) have been either very cool or a bit problematic (you can discuss that in terms of how parts are arranged or in terms of the potential of the songs). by the way i think that the new (or newly mixed) bass line somewhat improved the chorus in the last leak of twat. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 02:34:15 PM In that case, I suggest you stop and contain yourself until you have bought the album next month. : ok:
Thanks. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 18, 2008, 02:37:15 PM In that case, I suggest you stop and contain yourself until you have bought the album next month. : ok: Thanks. /jarmo yeah, i know. but it's easier said than done. ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GnR-NOW on October 18, 2008, 02:40:36 PM I'm perfectly fine with the track list, I'm more interested in knowing if Cover B will just be a different cover, or different version of the songs. Didn't bach say Axl had cd's with different versions of each song ?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 18, 2008, 02:53:06 PM I think thats fair enough. At this point, with a lot of interest being generated in the new album, new people will be visiting the boards. It would be generous to them as well to the band, not to promote the leaks and not to be disecting the songs bit by bit before the are even released.
I know thats been the policy here for a long time, the rules have been slackened I've noticed :yes: But theres a difference in mentioning songs you have heard and like, than sitting picking them apart. I think everyone should forget the leaks, discard them from your life, listen to the original albums for that GN'R fix, and just wait and look forward to getting the new album in your hands next month. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wight gunner on October 18, 2008, 03:01:04 PM Quote no, we just discuss old leaks, how they changed, what we hope to hear in the final version(s). at least that's what i do. thinking about what parts (or songs as a whole) have been either very cool or a bit problematic (you can discuss that in terms of how parts are arranged or in terms of the potential of the songs). by the way i think that the new (or newly mixed) bass line somewhat improved the chorus in the last leak of twat. And the there lays the problem, I'm in your boat, have listened to the leaks. The potential of the song should be judged on the final cut and not the leaks. It wasn't the bands version of the music being ready to be heard, there was stuff to do to complete it, like me, you've looked at your xmas ipood - when you wanted an ipod, lucky the real deal is still there to be enjoyed-in all its glory. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: domingo on October 18, 2008, 03:10:20 PM any news about the japanese edition? any bonus tracks?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 18, 2008, 03:12:24 PM I think thats fair enough. At this point, with a lot of interest being generated in the new album, new people will be visiting the boards. It would be generous to them as well to the band, not to promote the leaks and not to be disecting the songs bit by bit before the are even released. I know thats been the policy here for a long time, the rules have been slackened I've noticed :yes: But theres a difference in mentioning songs you have heard and like, than sitting picking them apart. I think everyone should forget the leaks, discard them from your life, listen to the original albums for that GN'R fix, and just wait and look forward to getting the new album in your hands next month. ok, one more post, then i'll leave things be. i don't actually think i'm just "picking" at songs (check out my recent comments). just telling my subjective pros and cons. sorry, i'm an analytical and emotional kinda guy. i'm the first to say that "catcher" and "better" are among the best songs gnr have ever done. i don't want to discuss things on a meta level, like explaining why i posted this or that, all the time. i'm excited that the record is coming, i'm excited that i'll hear the songs in their proper versions. i'm excited that i haven't heard some - probably very cool - songs: the mythical "this i love" and the "sorry"-track bach has been praising so much. i was just mentioning some things, adressing issues, hungry for other opinions. i mean this forum is supposed to be a place to discuss stuff (and i can't discuss the final versions already). so, now back on topic. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 18, 2008, 03:52:18 PM I wasnt referring to you in particular, I was just commenting in general terms. There is only one more month till the new music is released and the leaks are effectively spoilers.
Imagine a big book launch was coming up from your favourite author, you start to get really excited and interested so you go onto websites and forums to really get into the spirit of things - only to find people are talking about the plot and there favourite parts of the book. Kind of spoils it. I've played the leaks to death and still love them and I've spoke about them till I'm blue in the face. But now I know that after all these years I will get to hear the album, in a very short period of time! I think leaked demos, that the band really dont want promoted, should be put out of mind. Just my opinion, not judging anyone. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jizzo on October 18, 2008, 04:54:23 PM Street of Dreams is probably the blues... 80% chance of it. Song #2 is Prostitute IMO. the lyrics go with what a prostitute is, and it was said by the leaker that it is also i believe. So we have 3 new tracks to look forward to the guy who leaked the 9 tracks says song 2 is called prostitute. he said they charged him with copyright infringement of that song Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 05:00:11 PM I gotta take back something I said earlier about the songs and if u didn't like them before u probably won't now.
I was completely wrong with this. While running last night, i was watching RIR 3. I heard Chinese Democracy and I didn't much care for it. I've always thought that song was very very average until here recently. It is amazing what they have done to make this song go from being average to very very good. so if that is an indication of how different the album versions will be from the leaks, we are definitely in for greatness. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: snascarella on October 18, 2008, 05:19:01 PM any news about the japanese edition? any bonus tracks? oh,,.... I disagree only japanese version should have a "bonus track"... why don?t launch the SAME album with the SAME tracks worldwide?!?! :P Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Ak1nney on October 18, 2008, 05:22:53 PM I don't think any country will get extra tracks, only if it's with the best buy exclusive. At least I think... not for this album.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Butch Français on October 18, 2008, 05:24:52 PM I gotta take back something I said earlier about the songs and if u didn't like them before u probably won't now. I was completely wrong with this. While running last night, i was watching RIR 3. I heard Chinese Democracy and I didn't much care for it. I've always thought that song was very very average until here recently. It is amazing what they have done to make this song go from being average to very very good. so if that is an indication of how different the album versions will be from the leaks, we are definitely in for greatness. yeah, that's what I thought too. I felt it was a good song when I heard it live and I thought the studio version would be good. but when I heard it, I thought it was kick ass! and I haven't even heard the final version yet! (I think) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 05:45:53 PM Same with Madagascar. I loved it instantly at RIR 3 but that even pales in comparison with the latest versions.
IRS the same way, the Eddie Trunk leak of it, is nowhere close to as good as the latest. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Light_LcL on October 18, 2008, 05:50:51 PM any news about the japanese edition? any bonus tracks? oh,,.... I disagree only japanese version should have a "bonus track"... why don?t launch the SAME album with the SAME tracks worldwide?!?! :P They do that in Japan so that the local industry is not afected over there. Because it's cheaper to buy imported CD's in Japan than CD's produced there, they includ bonus tracks to encourage people to buy the local version. At least that's what I've been told Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Butch Français on October 18, 2008, 05:54:06 PM Same with Madagascar. I loved it instantly at RIR 3 but that even pales in comparison with the latest versions. IRS the same way, the Eddie Trunk leak of it, is nowhere close to as good as the latest. not with me, I like the latest versions of those better. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 18, 2008, 05:54:57 PM Same with Madagascar. I loved it instantly at RIR 3 but that even pales in comparison with the latest versions. IRS the same way, the Eddie Trunk leak of it, is nowhere close to as good as the latest. not with me, I like the latest versions of those better. I think that's what he said! ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 06:11:25 PM Which part of "wait until you bought and heard the album until discussing the songs " didn't you understand?
I asked nicely, and that didn't work. Don't expect me to be a nice about it anymore. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: bodine on October 18, 2008, 06:36:56 PM Which part of "wait until you bought and heard the album until discussing the songs " didn't you understand? I asked nicely, and that didn't work. Don't expect me to be a nice about it anymore. /jarmo We've waited a long time for sure! 37 more days till we can judge everything all we want based on its own merits! Surely we've learned percerverence if nothing else over these many years! Yes please let's not ruin this moment!!! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 07:32:28 PM We can't talk about the songs that have been played in concert?
so I cant say the 2006 Madagascar on tour destroys the RIR 3 version? just need clarification.... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 18, 2008, 07:58:42 PM We can't talk about the songs that have been played in concert? so I cant say the 2006 Madagascar on tour destroys the RIR 3 version? just need clarification.... I think he's talking about leaked demos which are illegal. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: fito_gnr on October 18, 2008, 08:42:15 PM OMG!! finally is really happening!!!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lord Kayoss on October 18, 2008, 08:53:45 PM We've heard these songs so many times, over so many years, that it will just be weird to hear them all grouped together with a few new songs thrown in. Of course, we have only ourselves to blame for that. That's a two-sided coin in my view. While it isn't right to steal and leak any artists' music -- no album should ever, EVER take this long to complete and release. Especially when we're talking about a legendary name like Guns N' Roses. Of course someone was gonna leak the material as it began to roll out of the studio. We didn't have to take the step to find the leaks and listen, but who could blame us in this case? Especially when considering every person on this board and any other is gonna buy the album despite having heard most of it already. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CaughtMeInaComa on October 18, 2008, 09:10:15 PM Which part of "wait until you bought and heard the album until discussing the songs " didn't you understand? Why, for what reason? because you said so? The track list is up! BB said it's official! The CD is coming out!There's nothing to hide, WeI asked nicely, and that didn't work. Don't expect me to be a nice about it anymore. /jarmo know what the CD consist of. We cannot post links, Which I completely understand. Why can't we discuss the tracks which are officially posted on BB website? Wait until Nov. 23rd at 12:00am to discuss a song? makes no sense to me. In that case you should tell Bodine to change his avatar from the Cover picture from the BB website. Because we all can see what the cover is going to be. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 18, 2008, 09:15:52 PM I don't ever remember being allowed to talk about illegal leaks here. Why would it change just because we are a month away from a release?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 09:27:36 PM I don't ever remember being allowed to talk about illegal leaks here. Why would it change just because we are a month away from a release? we talked about all of the songs that were played live, leak or not. See the recent Rhiad thread someone started a while back. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 18, 2008, 09:27:58 PM I would just like some more clarification on the release and track listing.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: JustalittlePatience on October 18, 2008, 09:31:34 PM Despite hearing most of the tracks before...I have to say I am still excited. To hear all of these tracks in all of their fully mastered glory will be awesome. I just hope my car sound system can handle it.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Lord Kayoss on October 18, 2008, 09:50:21 PM I don't ever remember being allowed to talk about illegal leaks here. Why would it change just because we are a month away from a release? we talked about all of the songs that were played live, leak or not. See the recent Rhiad thread someone started a while back. Exactly. Only recently have harmless threads about the tracks been deleted. Discussion about all four leaks in 2006 were pinned to the board the whole year. What was that all about? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 18, 2008, 10:49:04 PM Why, for what reason? because you said so? The track list is up! BB said it's official! The CD is coming out!There's nothing to hide, We know what the CD consist of. We cannot post links, Which I completely understand. Why can't we discuss the tracks which are officially posted on BB website? Wait until Nov. 23rd at 12:00am to discuss a song? makes no sense to me. Yeah, exactly because I said so. I asked nicely, but that didn't work. Oh wait, maybe the REAL reason could be that you're talking about songs that aren't out and might not be the final album versions? You're already talking about stuff like you've heard the finished album when you and I know that's not the case. And add to that the fact that you're spoiling the surprise for those who haven't listened to them by dissecting every leak you are listening to! We're not gonna have that here. Get it? So stop being a fucking smart ass already. Discussion about all four leaks in 2006 were pinned to the board the whole year. What was that all about? It's not 2006 anymore is it? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 18, 2008, 11:17:46 PM Can we talk about "If The World" and Shackler's though?
I think all of us when talking made it clear we thought the album versions would be leaps and bounds better and were only using songs like Chinese Democracy as examples of how much improved they all were from the demos. Surely that isn't so bad right? I will stop talking about them though. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CaughtMeInaComa on October 19, 2008, 12:00:35 AM Why, for what reason? because you said so? The track list is up! BB said it's official! The CD is coming out!There's nothing to hide, We know what the CD consist of. We cannot post links, Which I completely understand. Why can't we discuss the tracks which are officially posted on BB website? Wait until Nov. 23rd at 12:00am to discuss a song? makes no sense to me. Yeah, exactly because I said so. I asked nicely, but that didn't work. Oh wait, maybe the REAL reason could be that you're talking about songs that aren't out and might not be the final album versions? You're already talking about stuff like you've heard the finished album when you and I know that's not the case. And add to that the fact that you're spoiling the surprise for those who haven't listened to them by dissecting every leak you are listening to! We're not gonna have that here. Get it? So stop being a fucking smart ass already. /jarmo Please do not include me as a person who goes all around talking about Leaks. Thanks! : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 19, 2008, 12:24:00 AM By the way, last time I checked "we" includes yourself.
Why can't we discuss the tracks which are officially posted on BB website? Obviously you can refer to those we you mentioned. If you wanted to exclude yourself from the group that wants to discuss the songs that aren't officially released, maybe you could've used "they". In addition, you doesn't have to be one person, it can refer to a group of people. English lesson over. : ok: /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nekomex on October 19, 2008, 12:30:59 AM about the people puting reviews in the best buy site, its always like this with almost everything, thats why IMDB(a site for movies) change their format and only lets people vote until the movies are released, because people vote before even watching the movie, just because they could.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 19, 2008, 12:32:18 AM By the way, last time I checked "we" includes yourself. Why can't we discuss the tracks which are officially posted on BB website? Obviously you can refer to those we you mentioned. If you wanted to exclude yourself from the group that wants to discuss the songs that aren't officially released, maybe you could've used "they". In addition, you doesn't have to be one person, it can refer to a group of people. English lesson over. : ok: /jarmo i don't want make a ass out of myself but can we discuss Shackler's Revenge since it ben release to rock band 2 the video game and If The World since it in the movie body of lies Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Duffio on October 19, 2008, 12:35:11 AM Wow Jarmo, haven't you changed? I remember you keeping order on this forum, not being so draconian as to people having the freedom to express themselves etc..
I've been part, watched, and hibernated (reading posts and not writing or responding) some of you may refer to that as "lurking". yeah you're gonna flame me, no one even, you should care. Since when did it become soo wrong to discuss songs that were played live/leaked? thought this was a place for fans to be able to discuss everything i mean, one would think so with a heading like this for THIS specific forum "Guns N' Roses: Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members." Just saying, you come down hard on people that aren't posting links etc to the leaks.. which is more understandable than a discussion. I respect and honor your rule over your board with an iron fist, i just don't agree with it. Best of luck & hope we all get to hear the album soon, if that's the word, lol yeah remember that?... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: D on October 19, 2008, 12:35:27 AM Sorry Jarmo
Honestly, I didn't see where u said to not discuss them. : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Duffio on October 19, 2008, 12:37:36 AM i don't want make a ass out of myself but can we discuss Shackler's Revenge since it ben release to rock band 2 the video game and If The World since it in the movie body of lies the fact that members have to do this now, is just kinda pathetic, what happened? after this post you may ban me, but come on man, you used to be waaaaay cooler. btw, both new songs, are mediocre at best (compared to earlier gnr material), but better than the other music out there. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 19, 2008, 12:43:57 AM i don't want make a ass out of myself but can we discuss Shackler's Revenge since it ben release to rock band 2 the video game and If The World since it in the movie body of lies the fact that members have to do this now, is just kinda pathetic, what happened? after this post you may ban me, but come on man, you used to be waaaaay cooler. btw, both new songs, are mediocre at best (compared to earlier gnr material), but better than the other music out there. ok you got me confused Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Duffio on October 19, 2008, 12:45:27 AM just read it, the guy has to ask for permission on what he able to discuss about the band.
"Guns N' Roses: Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members." With the way things currently are it should be "Guns N' Roses Everything GN'R related, with the exception of unreleased "new" songs, discussions about present members are allowed." Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 19, 2008, 12:55:11 AM just read it, the guy has to ask for permission on what he able to discuss about the band. I suggest you stop trying to be a renegade and respect the rules. It's really that simple. You're not gonna start a revolution, so it's really not worth the effort. I'm sure you can find other places to discuss the leaks, and I'm sure you know that."Guns N' Roses: Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members." With the way things currently are it should be "Guns N' Roses Everything GN'R related, with the exception of unreleased "new" songs, discussions about present members are allowed." Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Eazy E on October 19, 2008, 12:56:48 AM Ahh, 10 years and we finally get a "Chinese Democracy Tracklist" thread... and 30 pages later, it's the same old shit. :hihi:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Duffio on October 19, 2008, 01:01:19 AM just read it, the guy has to ask for permission on what he able to discuss about the band. I suggest you stop trying to be a renegade and respect the rules. It's really that simple. You're not gonna start a revolution, so it's really not worth the effort. I'm sure you can find other places to discuss the leaks, and I'm sure you know that."Guns N' Roses: Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members." With the way things currently are it should be "Guns N' Roses Everything GN'R related, with the exception of unreleased "new" songs, discussions about present members are allowed." I suggest you update the heading to the board and make it clear to all users. I'm not trying to start a revolution, just bringing stuff to the attention to he whome is in charge. and I'm sure yes, everyone could just stop coming here and boycot this forum. I'm not telling anyone to do so, i'm not doing so, i'm stating the change i've observed over the years.. yes YEARS. This could have been totally constructive, but you became defensive. Thanks a lot for your time. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Duffio on October 19, 2008, 01:03:04 AM Ahh, 10 years and we finally get a "Chinese Democracy Tracklist" thread... and 30 pages later, it's the same old shit. :hihi: can't say you're surprised can you? hahaha :-\ Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 19, 2008, 01:04:11 AM just read it, the guy has to ask for permission on what he able to discuss about the band. I suggest you stop trying to be a renegade and respect the rules. It's really that simple. You're not gonna start a revolution, so it's really not worth the effort. I'm sure you can find other places to discuss the leaks, and I'm sure you know that."Guns N' Roses: Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members." With the way things currently are it should be "Guns N' Roses Everything GN'R related, with the exception of unreleased "new" songs, discussions about present members are allowed." I suggest you update the heading to the board and make it clear to all users. I'm not trying to start a revolution, just bringing stuff to the attention to he whome is in charge. and I'm sure yes, everyone could just stop coming here and boycot this forum. I'm not telling anyone to do so, i'm not doing so, i'm stating the change i've observed over the years.. yes YEARS. This could have been totally constructive, but you became defensive. Thanks a lot for your time. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 19, 2008, 01:04:34 AM i don't want make a ass out of myself but can we discuss Shackler's Revenge since it ben release to rock band 2 the video game and If The World since it in the movie body of lies Considering there are threads dedicated to those two songs... Since when did it become soo wrong to discuss songs that were played live/leaked? Since people started using the illegal leaks as a way to review an album they don't own yet. I don't think that's fair. Why is it so horrible to wait until you got the real finished album in your hands and then post your thought? And since you've been lurking, maybe you should've noticed the lack of threads about the recent leaks? I guess somebody didn't pay attention.... So there you have it, you can discuss the songs when they're officially available. Just like Shackler's Revenge and If The World. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on October 19, 2008, 01:05:48 AM I suggest you update the heading to the board and make it clear to all users. Faldor doesn't work here. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 19, 2008, 01:08:49 AM I suggest you update the heading to the board and make it clear to all users. Faldor doesn't work here. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Duffio on October 19, 2008, 01:10:55 AM i don't want make a ass out of myself but can we discuss Shackler's Revenge since it ben release to rock band 2 the video game and If The World since it in the movie body of lies Considering there are threads dedicated to those two songs... Since when did it become soo wrong to discuss songs that were played live/leaked? Since people started using the illegal leaks as a way to review an album they don't own yet. I don't think that's fair. Why is it so horrible to wait until you got the real finished album in your hands and then post your thought? And since you've been lurking, maybe you should've noticed the lack of threads about the recent leaks? I guess somebody didn't pay attention.... So there you have it, you can discuss the songs when they're officially available. Just like Shackler's Revenge and If The World. /jarmo I guess it isn't.. just i dunno, sorry i ranted, i normally don't do crap like that, i was just pointed that it seemed unlike you (at least unlike how you were when I first started posting and stuff here) but eh.. i say why not let people discuss things about the band as long as they're not breaking any laws? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 19, 2008, 01:23:15 AM I guess it isn't.. just i dunno, sorry i ranted, i normally don't do crap like that, i was just pointed that it seemed unlike you (at least unlike how you were when I first started posting and stuff here) but eh.. Yeah well my only answer to that is that things change. If you started posting in 2002, you can't expect everybody to live in 2002 now can you? i say why not let people discuss things about the band as long as they're not breaking any laws? I'm sorry, I feel like I have to keep repeating myself to every one of you that has an issue with the "no discussion about the leaks" policy. Stealing music isn't exactly legal. I'm not interested in promoting that kind of things. I also believe it's the decent respectable thing to wait until you have the finished album before you review it. You know, at a time when you don't have to do something illegal to actually hear the album. Maybe it's only me, but if you keep talking about leaks, people who read the discussion might wanna take part. Now, they obviously can't buy the album in their store or on iTunes, so how do you suggest they get the tracks? And is that legal? I hope this answers your questions and I don't have to keep repeating this to everybody who thinks otherwise. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: norway on October 19, 2008, 05:43:06 AM "Guns N' Roses: Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members." With the way things currently are it should be "Guns N' Roses Everything GN'R related, with the exception of unreleased "new" songs, discussions about present members are allowed." I think you also have to view in from a diferent side to, not only by disagreeing with Jarmo. This site is even bigger than the official site to Gn'R and therefore take into consideration the punitive damage posters, IE Jarmo can do to the band and 3rd partys (company for example). But we don't need to understand it. It's true some moderation here is annoying but the positive side outweigh the negative side to it. :peace: I also believe it's the decent respectable thing And it is, + the discussions here are so diferent than those on blabbermouth, youtube comments etc... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 19, 2008, 06:07:36 AM fuck, can people take the whining about what you can discuss in the admin section?
I don't wanna wake up seeing there's three new pages of posts in this thread only to find out it's all offtopicwhining Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Litti10 on October 19, 2008, 06:10:16 AM : ok: yeey! very cool but still waiting to see it on the official web site, good cover art all in all
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 19, 2008, 07:26:35 AM I hope Scraped is a 10 minute pounding rock epic that makes Coma seem like twinkle twinkle little star.... :drool:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: CheapJon on October 19, 2008, 07:59:57 AM I hope Scraped is a 10 minute pounding rock epic that makes Coma seem like twinkle twinkle little star.... :drool: naah that's what i hope sorry will be.. baz impact will probably only be like shannon hoon on DC Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: snascarella on October 19, 2008, 09:01:00 AM I hope Scraped is a 10 minute pounding rock epic that makes Coma seem like twinkle twinkle little star.... :drool: naah that's what i hope sorry will be.. baz impact will probably only be like shannon hoon on DC I can?t wait to listening to Sorry with BAZ!!! his voice sounds AWESOME beside Master Axl! and I was thinking here about a "10 minute" song too! we have only three options: Scraped, Sorry or This I Love - personally, I guess it?s gonna be This I Love! :smoking: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: badobsession81 on October 19, 2008, 09:01:39 AM Just to get back to discussing the tracklist -
Of the songs I've heard, it seems to be a strong album and I'm definitely not disappointed by the tracklist. The flow seems great too, with CD, Better and The blues all being near the top of the album. Can't wait to hear tracks like Sorry and This I Love, but where is the hottly tipped General? And wasn't there something called Thyme?... One thing I do find weird is how this thread ended up as a what's legal or not. I trust we can discuss live songs that we've heard since they're in the public domain and I've been to many of the performances. - I do find it odd that the bootleg section of the forum is allowed to continue.... although, I understand that recent stuff is more likely to impact on the right to have the first opportunity to release. I don't think it should be wrong to discuss angles though... I can't understand either how there can be reviews of chinese democracy already, but people are always going to do that. We do need to step back and not treat everyone as stupid, most people can view these reviews objectively, just like most people can read through the BS in the UK tabloids! Blatant judgements based on leaks should clearly not be taken seriously, but people should be free to express their opnions based on their own experiences of the music live and their excitement, or disappointment, regarding any upcoming release. Extreme censorship is always an issue for debate, but imo can be just as damaging as not censoring. My two pennys worth :-) I can't believe it's only a month away!!!!! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 19, 2008, 09:19:56 AM I hope Scraped is a 10 minute pounding rock epic that makes Coma seem like twinkle twinkle little star.... :drool: naah that's what i hope sorry will be.. baz impact will probably only be like shannon hoon on DC I can?t wait to listening to Sorry with BAZ!!! his voice sounds AWESOME beside Master Axl! and I was thinking here about a "10 minute" song too! we have only three options: Scraped, Sorry or This I Love - personally, I guess it?s gonna be This I Love! :smoking: I want to hear the other members singing backing as well nevermind Baz. I always liked the live outro of Maddy with Robin singing seperately. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Reinaldo on October 19, 2008, 10:17:50 AM from the point of view of the record company or Best Buy, i'm not sure i see the rationale behind releasing an album with at least 5 songs that can be listened to on Youtube the last few years and a few more that can be picked up by anyone with modest understanding of the internet. Every review is going to be "...with only 4 songs not previously heard...". To my mind, that kind of takes away the steam of promoting it as "FINALLY after 17 years..." also, doesnt the first single, if they're releasing a traditional single, HAVE to be a song no one's heard before? I listened to the leaks... but it was my choice. If people/critics are downloading them or listening via you tube.. their choice. It's not an obligation. But please, listen/judge unfineshed tracks and still critize the album for having leaked songs.. well that's the normal level hipocrisy that we have in almost every journalist that write something about Axl, GNR and CD. I'm a fan, I want to buy the album, listen to the finished tracks, no matter if I heard 1 or 14 of them before. i'm saying more from a sales/ marketing point of view...it's not really a new album. Madagascar was on MTV 6 years ago. They dont have to sell it to the choir (us) they have to sell it to a million or two other people as the triumphant return etc etc, but with more than half the album available online for years, the return is more of a trickle-again, from a marketing perspective-than an explosion OK, so still (kinda) outside of your perspective: Yes, they have to sell it to the general audience, not only to GNR fans. Anyway, the option of downloading the leaks or not is the same. Those who likes any kind of music (hard rock) and wanted to listen to them just did. It's their problem, they should've known it would be on the next GNR record. Just don't have the right to complain now. Getting to your point, let?s consider what general music fans could've legally heard: Regularly played since 2001/02: "CD", "Madagascar" and "The Blues"= 3 songs; If we count "Rhiad", played only 3 times. = 4 songs On 2006 they added "Better" and "IRS", so we have 6 "revealed" songs. TWAT, on just 2 shows = 7 songs Rock Band (not everyone has videogames): Shackler's = 8 songs Body of Lies: If the World (1:30, not everyone saw/will see the movie) = 9 CD "revealed" songs Ask those people this: 1) When was the last time GNR toured? 2) Have you been there? 3) Did you listen to some bootleg track/video? Like it? 4) Say 3 new GNR song titles? 5) Could you sing them/remember the melodies? 6) Who are the members these days? The ordinary answers you would have: 1) Not sure or / Maybe 2006. 2) No or / I went to one concert and was great. 3) No or / I saw a bootleg couple times. I liked, but prefer the old songs/band. 4) Madagascar, Axl played on VMA's;.... Better and.... don't know. 5) No. Wait! Na na na na .. I know better, better.. na na na... that's all dude. 6) Axl, Bucket.. no, Bumblefoot, Robert Finck and.. well Slash is out. Remember those guys looking scared at you when you sang along "the blues" at one of the concerts? That was not because your voice sucked.. in fact, they didn't know the lyrics and didn't understand how you knew it. So, do you really think that those "9" (5) songs are old to them?? I'd say 3 "vaguely known" songs at the most. On the other hand, the reason GNR showed this songs on gigs/game/movie was to make the public familiar with at least 1 of those tracks, generanting curiosity and interest, and that's what marketing is all about. Sales are just consequences. Could we have the same hype if the songs were totally new? Maybe for us downloading motherfuckers, but not for the rest of the world. Just promotion for 14 unknown tracks of a "15 years inactive" band, even with strong "brands" like GNR, Axl and Chinese Democracy, wouldn't be enough for this shitty music market nowadays. The "making it familiar" strategy is a very smart way to mitigate that, a least a little. My friends, those "free trials"(legal ones) along with apropriate mass promotion, which is on it's way, the band members charisma, AND THE FINISHED TRACKS, will make GNR rule the world again. P.S.: Also, remember, if they didn't play any new songs on those ways: "Fuck! they play the same songs since 1994"; "I told the album doesn't exist"; "It's a cover band"; "No singles until now? 2009 here we go"; etc, etc, etc missing the point...the reviewers will make sure everyone knows there's only 4 or 5 actually new songs on the album. Regardless of what people think of the music when they review, there's the negativity built in "why do we get an album with 7 year old songs on it?". Also, we've all seen the songs reviewed when they were leaked; i'd say it's well beneath 50% that those reviews were generally good. So people will have pre-conceived notions pushed on them maybe even before the already listen to the album. Thought you were previously on the marketing point of view, not the asshole full of prejudice reviewers one. Reviwers can write wherever they want, as long as honesty is there. If people/media take that on consideration to buy or recomend CD, again, that's the normal leval of hipocrisy and stupidity they have, especialy about music, these days. Lack of personality. Come on, we are adults, must turn on the filter when someone is giving us some piece of information, making our own opinion, not turning anyone else thoughts the absolute truth. Concerning that unreasonable negativity: frequently that's just a way reviewrs have to show how frustraded they are for not being well succeeded (musicians/producers/anything) in life. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 19, 2008, 12:19:12 PM With all the negativity blowing around in here...am I the only one who believes Axl has a couple surprises left up his sleeve? Remember people, you never forget how to ride a bycicle...this is Axl Rose we are talking about. Keep the faith, let the cards fall where Axl throws them. : ok:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: whiny on October 19, 2008, 03:38:44 PM i wonder if scraped will be the first song on the second side of the vinyl version...
Title: Album duration Post by: Thorned Rose on October 19, 2008, 04:25:22 PM A maximum album holds 80 minutes of music.
Do you guys think that this album will be like a 70 minute one? 14 songs at 5 minutes a piece is 70 minutes... so it is safe to say we'll get a full album in minutes.... Axl likes those longer songs anyways Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dave Jenno on October 20, 2008, 10:54:20 AM Can't see why anyone would be disappointed with the tracklist, its awesome and every song we've heard is very strong, there's no fillers on there. I'm really looking forward to hearing the final mastered versions of those songs, they were pretty amazing before! This album is gonna sound unbelievable, a masterpiece. Plus 3 complete surprises that we've never heard, so so cool. I feel like an 8 year old kid waiting for Christamas again ;D
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Aero on October 20, 2008, 11:18:30 AM 01 Chinese Democracy [PLAYED LIVE] [1]
02 Shackler's Revenge [OFFICIAL RELEASE] 03 Better [PLAYED LIVE][1] 04 Street Of Dreams [2] 05 If The World [OFFICIAL RELEASE] 06 There Was A Time [PLAYED LIVE] 07 Catcher In The Rye [1] 08 Scraped 09 Rhiad N' The Bedouins [PLAYED LIVE] 10 Sorry 11 I.R.S. [PLAYED LIVE][1] 12 Madagascar [PLAYED LIVE][1] 13 This I Love 14 Prostitute 1* Axl played publically those tracks at bars in 2006 2* Probably the blues, played live GNR manager played publically 3 new songs at a best buy store some weeks ago. My point is that, besides the antiquiet leaks, gnr camp already showed us almost all chinese democracy. It wont be a surprise, a shock :( Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Pingouirose on October 20, 2008, 11:24:22 AM Quote Axl played publically those tracks at bars in 2006 ??? ok cool, 15 people heard these tracks so it has spoiled the surprise?? If the world is 30sec in Body of Lies, SR is played by hardcore gamers and will not be a big gun... You killed YOUR surprise but Axl won't chose songs you have not heard when 99.999% people on this planet don't fuckin know any track on this album Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: justastud79 on October 20, 2008, 02:22:10 PM So you're saying that the "Asshole Song" won't be on the album..rats.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 20, 2008, 06:58:07 PM 01 Chinese Democracy [PLAYED LIVE] [1] Just wait...I think we are all in for a surprise. : ok:02 Shackler's Revenge [OFFICIAL RELEASE] 03 Better [PLAYED LIVE][1] 04 Street Of Dreams [2] 05 If The World [OFFICIAL RELEASE] 06 There Was A Time [PLAYED LIVE] 07 Catcher In The Rye [1] 08 Scraped 09 Rhiad N' The Bedouins [PLAYED LIVE] 10 Sorry 11 I.R.S. [PLAYED LIVE][1] 12 Madagascar [PLAYED LIVE][1] 13 This I Love 14 Prostitute 1* Axl played publically those tracks at bars in 2006 2* Probably the blues, played live GNR manager played publically 3 new songs at a best buy store some weeks ago. My point is that, besides the antiquiet leaks, gnr camp already showed us almost all chinese democracy. It wont be a surprise, a shock :( Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNRreunioneventually on October 20, 2008, 07:10:51 PM so the sorry thats gonna be on the album is that the one that baz sang on? or was that one shelved
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Aero on October 20, 2008, 07:59:56 PM Quote Axl played publically those tracks at bars in 2006 ??? ok cool, 15 people heard these tracks so it has spoiled the surprise?? If the world is 30sec in Body of Lies, SR is played by hardcore gamers and will not be a big gun... You killed YOUR surprise but Axl won't chose songs you have not heard when 99.999% people on this planet don't fuckin know any track on this album LOL 5 or maybe 6 songs on that tracklisting were part of one of the biggest world tours in 2006. Better leak was played worldwide on 1st class radios Madagascar hass been seen by 14 million people at the MTV VMA 2002 Almost anybody who owns a gnr album knows about chinese and heard new material dude Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 20, 2008, 08:09:28 PM LOL 5 or maybe 6 songs on that tracklisting were part of one of the biggest world tours in 2006. Better leak was played worldwide on 1st class radios Madagascar hass been seen by 14 million people at the MTV VMA 2002 Almost anybody who owns a gnr album knows about chinese and heard new material dude But can you buy them? Can you walk into a record store and buy the album, take it home and listen to them the way they were intended to be heard? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 20, 2008, 08:11:53 PM Stop f'n complaining about unofficial tracklists (inserting fingers in ears and singing "LaLaLaLa"). There is a lot more to come...we could have years more of B&C posts at HTGTH! :rant:
Edit: B&C being BITCH AND COMPLAIN...2012 for General, according to Baz. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gcluskey on October 20, 2008, 09:13:01 PM I'd say The Blues will appear on the next album. I'm guessing we won't have as long to wait for a follow up album and there'll be some song names we might recognise
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: *Timothy* on October 20, 2008, 09:16:05 PM Street if dreams = the blues ,sir,
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Loaded NightraiN on October 20, 2008, 09:25:37 PM Street if dreams = the blues ,sir, yup, "the blues" was an internet dubbed name.. never mentioned as such by the band Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: *Timothy* on October 20, 2008, 09:30:37 PM it was mentioned ,but I think Axl said at a show in 02 that is was thewroking title.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SINSHINE on October 20, 2008, 09:34:52 PM Street if dreams = the blues ,sir, yup, "the blues" was an internet dubbed name.. never mentioned as such by the band 'The Blues' was written on the setlist for the 2006 shows. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Loaded NightraiN on October 20, 2008, 09:40:51 PM 'The Blues' was written on the setlist for the 2006 shows. Well then, I will shut the hell up But I still say Street of dreams = The Blues Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: big guns on October 20, 2008, 09:50:10 PM When Axl was interviewed at Korn's record release party he stated The Blues was one of his favorite songs. It seems most people agree that The Blues and Street of Dreams are one and the same... Its cool the album has 14 songs on it.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: John Galt on October 21, 2008, 04:32:31 AM Re supposed titles The General and Atlas Shrugged (actually went and bought the book on the back of that) I wonder if either of those became Scraped, or if they are still works in progress, or never made it..... ???
Still psyched to see the tracklist, despite no news for UK release dates.... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Aero on October 21, 2008, 10:56:47 AM LOL 5 or maybe 6 songs on that tracklisting were part of one of the biggest world tours in 2006. Better leak was played worldwide on 1st class radios Madagascar hass been seen by 14 million people at the MTV VMA 2002 Almost anybody who owns a gnr album knows about chinese and heard new material dude But can you buy them? Can you walk into a record store and buy the album, take it home and listen to them the way they were intended to be heard? /jarmo Nope we can't. My point is that GNR camp has already spoiled 75% of the new album. We already heard some of those songs since 2001. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 21, 2008, 11:00:54 AM LOL 5 or maybe 6 songs on that tracklisting were part of one of the biggest world tours in 2006. Better leak was played worldwide on 1st class radios Madagascar hass been seen by 14 million people at the MTV VMA 2002 Almost anybody who owns a gnr album knows about chinese and heard new material dude But can you buy them? Can you walk into a record store and buy the album, take it home and listen to them the way they were intended to be heard? /jarmo Nope we can't. My point is that GNR camp has already spoiled 75% of the new album. We already heard some of those songs since 2001. Spoiled? That's funny. They don't play enough new songs, they play too many new songs. They can never win.... Personally I didn't get tired of hearing the new songs at concerts in 2006 and 2007. Cant wait to hear them like they were intended to be heard on an album. 8) /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Nytunz on October 21, 2008, 11:03:42 AM Quote Personally I didn't get tired of hearing the new songs at concerts in 2006 and 2007. Cant wait to hear them like they were intended to be heard on an album. 8) /jarmo And i agree sooo much on this part : ok: People need to just lean back and relax! Everything points to a release next month, and some of you are still concerned? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Aero on October 21, 2008, 11:09:14 AM LOL 5 or maybe 6 songs on that tracklisting were part of one of the biggest world tours in 2006. Better leak was played worldwide on 1st class radios Madagascar hass been seen by 14 million people at the MTV VMA 2002 Almost anybody who owns a gnr album knows about chinese and heard new material dude But can you buy them? Can you walk into a record store and buy the album, take it home and listen to them the way they were intended to be heard? /jarmo Nope we can't. My point is that GNR camp has already spoiled 75% of the new album. We already heard some of those songs since 2001. Spoiled? That's funny. They don't play enough new songs, they play too many new songs. They can never win.... Personally I didn't get tired of hearing the new songs at concerts in 2006 and 2007. Cant wait to hear them like they were intended to be heard on an album. 8) /jarmo Allright... thats your opinion. I like to listen 1 or 2 songs as a promo and then get a full album... not to listen lots of new songs and 7 years later get the studio album. I never said they don't play enough songs or they play too many songs. GnR did LOTS of dates since 2001 playing appetite + few illusions + few new songs. But that's not my point. I just wanted to say that PERSONALLY, even if I never heard any leaks, I already know the lyrics, the music, the solos from 7 or 8 out 14 tracks. And I personally think that this is not the best scenario for a killing come back. I love gnr, but I belive they had to release chinese in 2002, or play new songs only in the last tour. Or better yet, to put into chinese democracy 2 or 3 songs from previous concerts. Not 60% Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 21, 2008, 11:11:54 AM Re supposed titles The General and Atlas Shrugged (actually went and bought the book on the back of that) I wonder if either of those became Scraped, or if they are still works in progress, or never made it..... ??? Still psyched to see the tracklist, despite no news for UK release dates.... God I hope not, Atlas Shrugged is one of my favourite titles. I think the working title for Scraped was Lies They Tell. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 21, 2008, 11:15:31 AM Allright... thats your opinion. I like to listen 1 or 2 songs as a promo and then get a full album... not to listen lots of new songs and 7 years later get the studio album. You went to Rock In Rio in 2001? So that was seven years ago. If you only heard the new songs live there once, chances are you might not remember them note for note today. Plus they have probably been re-worked since then. So is it really about them playing the songs live or about you listening to them? Maybe you downloaded show bootlegs and listened to them? That was your choice. I never said they don't play enough songs or they play too many songs. I apologize if you felt targeted with that remark. I was just pointing out how impossible it is to please GN'R fans. I just wanted to say that PERSONALLY, even if I never heard any leaks, I already know the lyrics, the music, the solos from 7 or 8 out 14 tracks. You chose to listen to those tracks. As far as I know, you went to one show in 2001. I don't think one show is enough for you to know all those songs. Especially since they played three of the album's tracks. So the whole argument of them playing the songs live isn't really an argument. It's all about how you decided to listen to live versions. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: MJ23 on October 21, 2008, 11:23:22 AM I fully agree with jarmo here.
It was always up to us to download leaks and to listen to them. It was never intended by the band. If you spolied your fun on the record by listening to leaks, well, your fault. As far as playing live is concerned, the band for sure wanted to give old and new fans the chance to hear some new material and they maybe wanted to see how the audience reacts on the new tunes. Complaining about it is making mountains out of molehills. We need to chill a little bit and look forward to listening to the final product on the stereo. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 21, 2008, 11:37:46 AM Personally I didn't get tired of hearing the new songs at concerts in 2006 and 2007. Cant wait to hear them like they were intended to be heard on an album. 8) /jarmo These songs have never got old to my ears yet, they still sound wonderful . Thats no mean feat considering how much I listened to them over the years, its a true indication of just how good they are. Most of them are probably my favourite songs of the last 15 years and they have not even been the finished article, and in a months time I know they are going to get even better!! I was excited about going to buy Live Era when it came out because it was something new from GN'R to listen to, didnt matter that I had heard all the songs for years gone by, I still could not wait to get home and start playing it to death. That will pale in comparison to this experience, it doesnt matter what I've heard, for me and for everybody else this album is still the great unknown. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 21, 2008, 11:45:57 AM My take on a Jeff Foxworthy staple ("you might be a redneck...":
If you are sitting in the dining room of the Waldorf Astoria, just ordered Surf & Turf with Bacon Wrapped Filet and Seafood Stuffed Lobster, and spend the next 30 minutes complaining about how you 'always get Surf & Turf', and dread having to shovel down your throat...you might be a Gn'R Fan. Are you really going to skip/leave the concert because you heard the soundcheck? We will have an actual CD, with a case, liner notes, the full monte - in just over 30 days! Rejoice! All you "Downloading Motherf---ers" can finally stop peeking in windows, and listeneing through walls...and hear/see what Axl intended you to hear/see. :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 21, 2008, 12:55:32 PM We will have an actual CD, with liner notes, the full monte - in just over 30 days! We now nothing about liner notes. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wight gunner on October 21, 2008, 12:58:09 PM even if you've listened to the leaks seen them live and know the words, you won't have heard it in the state that it was composed.
And by anybodies reckoning, have heard the leaks/live/youtube/other you will play it again and again as yoy have with AFD,UYI 1&2, SI, LIES, Live Era and GH (bought by most for the final track). Next you'll be saying when they tour, as you've heard this stuff, you want CD2 and CD3 (or whatever they are called) fuck me, I'm stoked at this news, and have bought a new sound system on the strength of this, my house is gonna rock come the hour I get it. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 21, 2008, 01:47:55 PM We will have an actual CD, with liner notes, the full monte - in just over 30 days! We now nothing about liner notes. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 21, 2008, 01:52:53 PM We will have an actual CD, with liner notes, the full monte - in just over 30 days! We now nothing about liner notes. Okay, I'm talking about lyrics and info on who contributed to each song a la UYI. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wight gunner on October 21, 2008, 01:59:44 PM With the amount of stories that are associated with CD, the info is gonna be on DVD, a bible thick booklet wouldn't fit or isn't enviromentally friendly :rofl:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: overmatik on October 21, 2008, 02:42:59 PM I have a feeling that the next 2 albums will be better than Chinese Democracy, I mean, Axl is hiding his treasures! >:(
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 21, 2008, 04:16:12 PM With the amount of stories that are associated with CD, the info is gonna be on DVD, a bible thick booklet wouldn't fit or isn't enviromentally friendly :rofl: We can only hope for a DVD - or perhaps Axl will hold his cards until he releases his autobiography.I have a feeling that the next 2 albums will be better than Chinese Democracy, I mean, Axl is hiding his treasures! >:( I have a very strong feeling that there will be more surprises - perhaps even a few treasures - before Nov. 23rd.Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: KeVoRkIaN on October 21, 2008, 04:39:44 PM Hearing the Back Off Bitch, Dont Cry and November Rain demos didn't spoil Illusions for me. I was more glad to see the evolution of those songs.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jaakko on October 26, 2008, 05:06:10 PM I'm glad they chose all the leaks, live played stuff and two most speculation-heavy songs (This I Love & Prostitute ) to be on the album. Possible follow-up can start from a clean table 8)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: wight gunner on October 26, 2008, 06:06:20 PM I'm glad they chose all the leaks, live played stuff and two most speculation-heavy songs (This I Love & Prostitute ) to be on the album. Possible follow-up can start from a clean table 8) Silkworms.......... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: AC on October 26, 2008, 07:08:59 PM Hearing the Back Off Bitch, Dont Cry and November Rain demos didn't spoil Illusions for me. I was more glad to see the evolution of those songs. I completely agree. I'm really excited to hear the songs mixed/mastered/eq'd properly. I've heard all the leaks, and they only excited me more for the actual album. For all those that didn't hear the leaks, I think they're missing out! a. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nateinthehon on October 26, 2008, 08:50:01 PM I am not a regular message board poster, I only ever really posted in smaller boards like 2ti. So, I'd like to interject some thoughts on this tracklist.
I 100% agree that its our own faults for listening to leaks. Thats does not mean that its our faults if we do not like the leaks, and feel dissapointed looking at the tracklist of the CD, and saying...this is it? I have heard some of these songs anywhere from 7 years to a few months now...and there is nothing that makes me think that they are legendary tracks. I will say that I was impressed with the final product of Chinese Democracy, a song I thought was blah live before..I do like the studio version. Its all about the time, all this waiting. Most of these songs, have been played/previewed in Rolling Stone in 99, Vegas in 01, and so on. WHat the fuck has taken this long? This CD woulda been exciting in 01/02...not 75 months later. I fully expected to get 8-10 songs that we never heard, or heard about...remember, the BIG GUNS. We are just getting the same OK tracks, and some new ones like Shacklers, which is not very good either. Too me, TWAT is the only fucking A yeah song, a elite GNR track, I am pumped for the final mix of that. I am kinda hoping this tracklist is a throw off, and when i get the album(Ill buy it not matter what) there is a different set, and they sed that to throw off future downloads. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 26, 2008, 08:51:18 PM I am not a regular message board poster, I only ever really posted in smaller boards like 2ti. So, I'd like to interject some thoughts on this tracklist. I 100% agree that its our own faults for listening to leaks. Thats does not mean that its our faults if we do not like the leaks, and feel dissapointed looking at the tracklist of the CD, and saying...this is it? I have heard some of these songs anywhere from 7 years to a few months now...and there is nothing that makes me think that they are legendary tracks. I will say that I was impressed with the final product of Chinese Democracy, a song I thought was blah live before..I do like the studio version. Its all about the time, all this waiting. Most of these songs, have been played/previewed in Rolling Stone in 99, Vegas in 01, and so on. WHat the fuck has taken this long? This CD woulda been exciting in 01/02...not 75 months later. I fully expected to get 8-10 songs that we never heard, or heard about...remember, the BIG GUNS. We are just getting the same OK tracks, and some new ones like Shacklers, which is not very good either. Too me, TWAT is the only fucking A yeah song, a elite GNR track, I am pumped for the final mix of that. I am kinda hoping this tracklist is a throw off, and when i get the album(Ill buy it not matter what) there is a different set, and they sed that to throw off future downloads. I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment. If you are so disappointed in the songs, why are you even here? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: IKnowWhereIAM on October 26, 2008, 08:51:57 PM I'm glad they chose all the leaks, live played stuff and two most speculation-heavy songs (This I Love & Prostitute ) to be on the album. Possible follow-up can start from a clean table 8) "Guns N' Roses fans have every reason to celebrate, for this is only the beginning." Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: axl2 on October 26, 2008, 08:59:09 PM I am not a regular message board poster, I only ever really posted in smaller boards like 2ti. So, I'd like to interject some thoughts on this tracklist. I 100% agree that its our own faults for listening to leaks. Thats does not mean that its our faults if we do not like the leaks, and feel dissapointed looking at the tracklist of the CD, and saying...this is it? I have heard some of these songs anywhere from 7 years to a few months now...and there is nothing that makes me think that they are legendary tracks. I will say that I was impressed with the final product of Chinese Democracy, a song I thought was blah live before..I do like the studio version. Its all about the time, all this waiting. Most of these songs, have been played/previewed in Rolling Stone in 99, Vegas in 01, and so on. WHat the fuck has taken this long? This CD woulda been exciting in 01/02...not 75 months later. I fully expected to get 8-10 songs that we never heard, or heard about...remember, the BIG GUNS. We are just getting the same OK tracks, and some new ones like Shacklers, which is not very good either. Too me, TWAT is the only fucking A yeah song, a elite GNR track, I am pumped for the final mix of that. I am kinda hoping this tracklist is a throw off, and when i get the album(Ill buy it not matter what) there is a different set, and they sed that to throw off future downloads. Haha, I remember you... As far as the songs go... Better, CD, Twat, Maddy are all big guns for me. Different arrangment and mixes can make the differences in songs however so we'll see what the album brings. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 26, 2008, 09:19:57 PM This CD woulda been exciting in 01/02...not 75 months later. Kinda ironic that the release "excited" you enough to come and post. :hihi: You haven't heard the finished album and you're asking questions and bashing it. Nice! /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 26, 2008, 09:22:56 PM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up
:peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 26, 2008, 09:26:33 PM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Like Chris Pitman said, they're just waiting for the world to catch up with that song... /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tat2d1 on October 26, 2008, 09:36:26 PM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Like Chris Pitman said, they're just waiting for the world to catch up with that song... /jarmo Well, the world needs to hurry the hell up then ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on October 26, 2008, 09:39:43 PM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Like Chris Pitman said, they're just waiting for the world to catch up with that song... /jarmo Well, the world needs to hurry the hell up then ;) You're telling me! Since I have heard the single I have become even more impatient for this album. I can't wait to hear the final versions of these songs. Quick question, was If the World for Body of Lies the same as the leak? :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on October 26, 2008, 09:43:28 PM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Like Chris Pitman said, they're just waiting for the world to catch up with that song... /jarmo Pitman has to realize the only world that song's gonna catch up with is "My World," and don't get me started about how horrible that world is. :hihi: I am very happy with the tracklist/s I've seen. Apparently there have been different orders...I am forgetting what I saw earlier and I'm glad. I want a little surprise on November 23rd. (and that surprise better not be a hidden track called My World Part II :hihi:) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 27, 2008, 12:53:27 AM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Like Chris Pitman said, they're just waiting for the world to catch up with that song... /jarmo Pitman has to realize the only world that song's gonna catch up with is "My World," and don't get me started about how horrible that world is. :hihi: I am very happy with the tracklist/s I've seen. Apparently there have been different orders...I am forgetting what I saw earlier and I'm glad. I want a little surprise on November 23rd. (and that surprise better not be a hidden track called My World Part II :hihi:) Well, nowadays My World is actually listenable. It wasn't listenable in 1991. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 27, 2008, 01:27:31 AM Hearing a studio version of Silkworms would be amazing! Maybe it will pop up on a future album.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jaakko on October 27, 2008, 02:17:46 PM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Feel free to kick me, but I think Prostitute could be Silk Worms ! I'm glad they chose all the leaks, live played stuff and two most speculation-heavy songs (This I Love & Prostitute ) to be on the album. Possible follow-up can start from a clean table 8) "Guns N' Roses fans have every reason to celebrate, for this is only the beginning." Hope everything planned happens ;) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 27, 2008, 02:43:49 PM It really sounds like they have a lot of industrial stuff that they are saving back for a later album, which is really cool...
What are the other songs that we've heard that aren't on this cd besides Silkworms? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Gritty on October 27, 2008, 03:12:33 PM It really sounds like they have a lot of industrial stuff that they are saving back for a later album, which is really cool... What are the other songs that we've heard that aren't on this cd besides Silkworms? I really hope that isn't true. I hope Shackler's is the last experiment with industrial music. OMG is a great song, but I was hoping they'd end it there. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: nateinthehon on October 27, 2008, 06:18:02 PM I am not a regular message board poster, I only ever really posted in smaller boards like 2ti. So, I'd like to interject some thoughts on this tracklist. I 100% agree that its our own faults for listening to leaks. Thats does not mean that its our faults if we do not like the leaks, and feel dissapointed looking at the tracklist of the CD, and saying...this is it? I have heard some of these songs anywhere from 7 years to a few months now...and there is nothing that makes me think that they are legendary tracks. I will say that I was impressed with the final product of Chinese Democracy, a song I thought was blah live before..I do like the studio version. Its all about the time, all this waiting. Most of these songs, have been played/previewed in Rolling Stone in 99, Vegas in 01, and so on. WHat the fuck has taken this long? This CD woulda been exciting in 01/02...not 75 months later. I fully expected to get 8-10 songs that we never heard, or heard about...remember, the BIG GUNS. We are just getting the same OK tracks, and some new ones like Shacklers, which is not very good either. Too me, TWAT is the only fucking A yeah song, a elite GNR track, I am pumped for the final mix of that. I am kinda hoping this tracklist is a throw off, and when i get the album(Ill buy it not matter what) there is a different set, and they sed that to throw off future downloads. I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment. If you are so disappointed in the songs, why are you even here? I think Dissapointed in the songs is a bad way of explaining the way I feel. I am kind of baffled, if you will. I still have my magazine where all of these songs where played for Rolling Stone. If these songs all came out 6-7 years ago, then yeah, great. I just don't undertsand the postonements. Why not the March of 07 date? I just thought that there was something bigger. I always figured the album would be overhyped on everyones level based on the time and speculation. I am just being honest, something that I dont always think bloggers on any level can do. Some people who will just love anything Axl puts out no matter what, almost like a robot. I was rooting for this thing every step of the way. I wanted to love it, I still do want to love. I am hoping the final mixes will blow me away and prove myself wrong. From what I have heard(about 10 of the songs)..soley based on the songwriting, trying to ignore production..i'd give it 3 1/2 stars max. I hope I am wrong, but Im trying to lower my hoped over the final weeks. And 1 side bar...I wonder if any of these songs are "Oklahoma"? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jbenzz on October 27, 2008, 08:23:03 PM The only thing I find disappointing is that Axl said way back in the day that CD, the Blues, Madagascar etc (the early show stuff) wasn't going to be single material, and now CD is the first single. A bit confusing and the only reason I can see them doing this is because its the title track and the name Chinese Democracy has so much weight, so people will be more inclined to listen to it.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 27, 2008, 08:25:09 PM The only thing I find disappointing is that Axl said way back in the day that CD, the Blues, Madagascar etc (the early show stuff) wasn't going to be single material, and now CD is the first single. A bit confusing and the only reason I can see them doing this is because its the title track and the name Chinese Democracy has so much weight, so people will be more inclined to listen to it. yea but that was 6 years ago, and in 2006 it was reported the single was going to be Better. Things change, plans change. I think they figured the title track was a good way to introduce this album and I think it makes sense. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gcluskey on October 27, 2008, 08:34:18 PM Can't believe anyone can be disappointed with the tracklist. The final mix of the song Chinese Democracy is brilliant and I wasn't a big fan of the song before but it sounds great now and grows on me the more I hear it. Shackler's is the same, the more I hear it, the more I like it. Better and IRS are really good GNR songs and are a progressive step in the right direction from UYI. Street of Dreams reminds me of Breakdown, another classic GNR song. TWAT and Catcher in the Rye sound amazing and I'm sure the final mix will be awesome. Everything I've heard from this album just sounds really good. Any artist that alters their style in the name of artistic progression will be criticized to some degree. The Beatles, Queen, Radiohead, U2 all got slated when they tried something new but looking back, I felt they were all brilliant. I love Appetite, Lies and UYI but I don't expect Axl to regurgitate them with a whole new band of musicians. Its nearly 2009, I would've hoped GNR would've progressed by now and it has... we're about to receive one of the most remarkable albums of this decade. I can guarantee it :)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mike McKagan on October 27, 2008, 08:37:35 PM Well, nowadays My World is actually listenable. It wasn't listenable in 1991. Only if you've gone deaf between 1991 and 2008. :rofl: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 27, 2008, 08:51:56 PM problem with you is all you keep talking about is how it compares to the old.
fuck expectations and just enjoy it for what it is, great music. Thats all that matters. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: efish on October 27, 2008, 08:52:55 PM So has it been confirmed if 'citr' is going to be spelled as "Catcher N' The Rye" on the album, or if that was just a spelling error on best buy's site?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Estranged MrFlashbax on October 27, 2008, 08:55:08 PM The song I was most stoked to see on the tracklist was Catch In The Rye... I completely fell in love with that song when I heard it and was disappointed when everyone dismissed it to be on the 2nd or 3rd album, if at all. Very excited to hear it
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: gcluskey on October 27, 2008, 08:55:59 PM So has it been confirmed if 'citr' is going to be spelled as "Catcher N' The Rye" on the album, or if that was just a spelling error on best buy's site? I'd say it probably will be Catcher 'N The Rye, same as Dust 'N bones, Guns N' Roses...it sort of fitsTitle: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: SkeletorSerpent on October 27, 2008, 09:14:11 PM Whatever happened to the bonus album/cd with all covers? I thought Axl stated in an old interview around 2000 that CD would include a bonus album of covers or a few "hidden" or extra tracks.
I was thinking that some of the old UYI live show covers would have been on there, e.g. Pink Floyd "Mother," Black Sabbath "It's Alright," Bob Dylan "Hurricane," CCR "Fortunate Son," etc. Anyway, I think "We are Sailing" would be the perfect addition to CD or included on a bonus album. I think a polished, studio version of that song would blow the masses away, catch the mainstream attention, and make Gnr a household name again. It would really convert the people who miss the "melodic presence of Slash's weeping, crying, soulful, and bluesy" Les Paul. From the live versions I've heard, it had the old school, loose, anthemic, bluesy Gnr feel. They could also throw on The Doors' "Light My Fire" and James Brown's "I Feel Good" Hopefully, CD has at least one raw, stripped down, loose and bluesy jive, similar to You're Crazy (acoustic). I think it would prove to all the doubter that the new band is taking a new direction but STILL has a bluesy core and are talented and tight enough to create the raw energy from a blues-based rock song with all the old school Gnr jive and swagger. I can't wait to hear This I Love, I think this will be on par with Estranged and NR. It will pick up where Axl left off and where Slash and Duff ceased to "see" and "feel" Too bad for them. They just simply couldn't keep up with Axl's eclectic, Mick Jaggeresque soul. Their talent maxed out with blues-based rock and punk. They don't have the vision and foresight of Axl. They're just kick ass, straight forward, blues-based rock. Anyway, I hope CD includes at least one blues-based, loose and jivy, stripped down track (perhaps even acoustic) Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: estebanf on October 27, 2008, 09:39:25 PM It's not the greatest song of the tracks we know, but it is by far the most addictive.
Shackler's Revenge will be played everywhere, radio, tv, pubs, discos, everywhere. I felt, the first time I listened to it, like ''what the fuck is this engender? Axl must have driven totally nuts, and whoever is playing the solo, that guy must be insane'' Then, I dont know why, it stuck in my mind (i was working when I first heard it). I couldn't concentrate in anything 'cause my mind was repeating the chorus in its own. Shackler's an amazing song. It's heroin. Its 100% crazyness. It must have the most catchy chorus I've ever heard from GNR, and I cant remember any other chorus as catchy as it in other bands (maybe ''Moneytalks'' or ''Territorial Pissings'', I dont know) CD's got 10 out 14 potential hits/singles. I dont know Sorry, Scraped and This I Love, but we can be sure there will be no fillers in this album. ''Great art takes time''. Well said! :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 27, 2008, 09:42:29 PM Well I decided to clean up a little after that troll....
I will not let some so called fans who have issues with GN'R releasing new material without their favorite members ruin these threads. /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jim Bob on October 27, 2008, 09:44:14 PM Thanks, we don't need posters here with an agenda against the band. :peace:
CD's got 10 out 14 potential hits/singles. I dont know Sorry, Scraped and This I Love, but we can be sure there will be no fillers in this album. ''Great art takes time''. Well said! :beer: This I Love is supposed to be pretty huge. I also see this as one of those albums without filler, where every song is top quality. Roll on Nov 23! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Mobenrad on October 27, 2008, 11:43:07 PM Thanks, we don't need posters here with an agenda against the band. :peace: CD's got 10 out 14 potential hits/singles. I dont know Sorry, Scraped and This I Love, but we can be sure there will be no fillers in this album. ''Great art takes time''. Well said! :beer: This I Love is supposed to be pretty huge. I also see this as one of those albums without filler, where every song is top quality. Roll on Nov 23! Yeah I remember reading interviews about that song. Axl called it his best. I'll see if I can find the sources. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: daviebuckethead on October 28, 2008, 05:49:55 AM when bbf waqs on trunk he said the tracks we haven't heard are among the best the album has to offer, i can't wait to hear them. Although there is always the worry that ron has to say that......
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jazjme on October 28, 2008, 06:00:57 AM Thanks, we don't need posters here with an agenda against the band. :peace: CD's got 10 out 14 potential hits/singles. I dont know Sorry, Scraped and This I Love, but we can be sure there will be no fillers in this album. ''Great art takes time''. Well said! :beer: This I Love is supposed to be pretty huge. I also see this as one of those albums without filler, where every song is top quality. Roll on Nov 23! Yeah I remember reading interviews about that song. Axl called it his best. I'll see if I can find the sources. http://www.gnrsource.com/songinfo/cd/thisilove.htm Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: russtcb on October 28, 2008, 06:44:46 AM Well I decided to clean up a little after that troll.... I will not let some so called fans who have issues with GN'R releasing new material without their favorite members ruin these threads. /jarmo Good. : ok: It's almost like some of those "fans" are trying to will this single to fail just because their favorite members have been gone from this band for over a decade. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 28, 2008, 07:31:01 AM The song I was most stoked to see on the tracklist was Catch In The Rye... I completely fell in love with that song when I heard it and was disappointed when everyone dismissed it to be on the 2nd or 3rd album, if at all. Very excited to hear it N' stands for and, not in. Right? That means Rhiad N' the Bedouins and Catcher in the Rye. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: italysfinest1985 on October 28, 2008, 09:06:10 AM The tracklist seems incredible.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 28, 2008, 09:15:10 AM Well I decided to clean up a little after that troll.... I will not let some so called fans who have issues with GN'R releasing new material without their favorite members ruin these threads. /jarmo Good. : ok: It's almost like some of those "fans" are trying to will this single to fail just because their favorite members have been gone from this band for over a decade. geez people need get over it and move on on topic: i like the track list and im really happy the leaks we heard made it on the album Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: KillKurtzKids on October 28, 2008, 09:54:10 AM The only title worse than 'Street Of Dreams' would have been 'Stardust On My Feet'!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: adman2374 on October 28, 2008, 10:02:17 AM I'm very happy with the tracklist, but to be honest I would have loved to have seen Silkworms on there. I dig that song so much. Pumps me up :peace: Like Chris Pitman said, they're just waiting for the world to catch up with that song... /jarmo Well, I heard that too, but I view gnr as a band that pushes the envelope and leads and doesnt follow regarding musical styles. They do things on their own terms and don't put out music that just fits with the times. SW's is a great song and it would have been cool to get a studio version, but I guess we will have to wait for it. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 28, 2008, 10:05:43 AM Street Of Dreams sounds nice, but to much of a mouthful for those used to calling it The Blues ;D I think they will be planning on releasing it as a single and thought it a good idea to tart up the name. I'm telling you, the chicks will dig it more than they would The Blues :peace:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Alfie Bones on October 28, 2008, 10:13:57 AM It really sounds like they have a lot of industrial stuff that they are saving back for a later album, which is really cool... What are the other songs that we've heard that aren't on this cd besides Silkworms? I really hope that isn't true. I hope Shackler's is the last experiment with industrial music. OMG is a great song, but I was hoping they'd end it there. I hated OMG, but Shackler's is an amazing song. I respectfully disagree here. Whatever happened to the bonus album/cd with all covers? I thought Axl stated in an old interview around 2000 that CD would include a bonus album of covers or a few "hidden" or extra tracks. I was thinking that some of the old UYI live show covers would have been on there, e.g. Pink Floyd "Mother," Black Sabbath "It's Alright," Bob Dylan "Hurricane," CCR "Fortunate Son," etc. Anyway, I think "We are Sailing" would be the perfect addition to CD or included on a bonus album. I think a polished, studio version of that song would blow the masses away, catch the mainstream attention, and make Gnr a household name again. It would really convert the people who miss the "melodic presence of Slash's weeping, crying, soulful, and bluesy" Les Paul. From the live versions I've heard, it had the old school, loose, anthemic, bluesy Gnr feel. They could also throw on The Doors' "Light My Fire" and James Brown's "I Feel Good" Well, on the bright side, GN'R did release their cover of Sabbath's "It's Alright" on "Live Era: '87-'93". Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on October 28, 2008, 10:43:48 AM Street Of Dreams sounds nice, but to much of a mouthful for those used to calling it The Blues ;D I think they will be planning on releasing it as a single and thought it a good idea to tart up the name. I'm telling you, the chicks will dig it more than they would The Blues :peace: We already have Shotgun Blues with the line "And then you tell me 'bout singin' the blues". Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kaasupoltin on October 28, 2008, 11:10:17 AM I'm glad to see Rhiad there, I liked it very much when I first heard it in 2001. Then there were these rumours about the song getting cut from the album. Good to see it never happened!
But I would have liked The Blues to stay as The Blues (assuming that Street Of Dreams is The Blues), I think it's a great title. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Thorned Rose on October 28, 2008, 11:36:04 AM The tracklist is great!
We get 14 finished songs. 3 of them we've never heard right? I liked the Shackler's feel. I don't want an whole album of that, but from what I'm feeling and what I've read in the past, Axl probably has a full album worth of Shackler-esq songs ready, and I would be okay with it, but I'm sure he'll do 1 or 2 of them on a album. Chinese Democracy starts now baby! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: thomas on October 28, 2008, 02:13:01 PM The tracklist is great! We get 14 finished songs. 3 of them we've never heard right? I liked the Shackler's feel. I don't want an whole album of that, but from what I'm feeling and what I've read in the past, Axl probably has a full album worth of Shackler-esq songs ready, and I would be okay with it, but I'm sure he'll do 1 or 2 of them on a album. Chinese Democracy starts now baby! yes 3 Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: snascarella on October 28, 2008, 07:49:27 PM jarmo or Fernando, could you please help me with a question?
we (members from perfectcrimgnr.com) are going to make some T-Shirts to celebrate the Chinese Democracy release. We selected the layout, and in the back of the T-Shirt, we are gonna put the tracklist from the album, BUT, we are in doubt with two songs: What is the right name of the songs: RHiad AND the Bedouins or Riad N' the Bedouins Catcher In The Rye or Catcher N' The Rye The doubt appeared after the updates from BestBuy. Thank you guys! : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR_Green on October 30, 2008, 04:44:44 PM I've just seen the news on CD coming out for the first time - talk about feeling unprepared!
AAAAAAAAAAHH! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR_Green on October 30, 2008, 04:53:33 PM Next you'll be saying when they tour, as you've heard this stuff, you want CD2 and CD3 (or whatever they are called) fuck me, I'm stoked at this news, and have bought a new sound system on the strength of this, my house is gonna rock come the hour I get it. :beer:That's the attitude! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR4L on October 30, 2008, 06:29:24 PM I'm glad to see Rhiad there, I liked it very much when I first heard it in 2001. Then there were these rumours about the song getting cut from the album. Good to see it never happened! But I would have liked The Blues to stay as The Blues (assuming that Street Of Dreams is The Blues), I think it's a great title. I think Riad will be one of the most underated songs on the album. It's a awesome track. Street Of Dreams is a better title, alot of people are gonna have a hard time not calling it The Blues. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GNR_Green on October 30, 2008, 06:41:48 PM I'm glad to see Rhiad there, I liked it very much when I first heard it in 2001. Then there were these rumours about the song getting cut from the album. Good to see it never happened! But I would have liked The Blues to stay as The Blues (assuming that Street Of Dreams is The Blues), I think it's a great title. I think Riad will be one of the most underated songs on the album. It's a awesome track. Street Of Dreams is a better title, alot of people are gonna have a hard time not calling it The Blues. I prefer the new name, The Blues was too generic for me and surely hundreds of artists have got a song with the same name?! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kaasupoltin on October 31, 2008, 08:42:44 AM I prefer the new name, The Blues was too generic for me and surely hundreds of artists have got a song with the same name?! Might be, but what about Street Of Dreams..? Not so unique either. But who really cares when the album is coming out :P Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: snascarella on October 31, 2008, 04:18:54 PM jarmo or Fernando, could you please help me with a question? we (members from perfectcrimgnr.com) are going to make some T-Shirts to celebrate the Chinese Democracy release. We selected the layout, and in the back of the T-Shirt, we are gonna put the tracklist from the album, BUT, we are in doubt with two songs: What is the right name of the songs: RHiad AND the Bedouins or Riad N' the Bedouins Catcher In The Rye or Catcher N' The Rye The doubt appeared after the updates from BestBuy. Thank you guys! : ok: couldn?t you help me?! :-\ Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GeraldFord on October 31, 2008, 04:27:28 PM If "Street of Dreams" is "the Blues," I wonder if some of the lyrics were changed? I think he only says that line once, as it is. What if the lyrics were changed to...
"That's what they call...the street of dreams."???? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 31, 2008, 04:28:58 PM If "Street of Dreams" is "the Blues," I wonder if some of the lyrics were changed? Why? Didn't the song always have the line where Axl sings "street of dreams"? /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GeraldFord on October 31, 2008, 04:30:56 PM If "Street of Dreams" is "the Blues," I wonder if some of the lyrics were changed? Why? Didn't the song always have the line where Axl sings "street of dreams"? /jarmo Right, but it's used just once, and he says "the blues" several times, that's why I was wondering if some of the lyrics might have changed. Find out soon enough, I guess. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on October 31, 2008, 04:35:39 PM If "Street of Dreams" is "the Blues," I wonder if some of the lyrics were changed? Why? Didn't the song always have the line where Axl sings "street of dreams"? /jarmo Right, but it's used just once, and he says "the blues" several times, that's why I was wondering if some of the lyrics might have changed. Find out soon enough, I guess. On the live versions both phrases were sung, so.... :) /jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: GeraldFord on October 31, 2008, 04:37:09 PM Ok, my bad...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 31, 2008, 05:18:01 PM If "Street of Dreams" is "the Blues," I wonder if some of the lyrics were changed? Why? Didn't the song always have the line where Axl sings "street of dreams"? /jarmo Right, but it's used just once, and he says "the blues" several times, that's why I was wondering if some of the lyrics might have changed. Find out soon enough, I guess. Doesnt he say "..thats called the blues..." only once? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Olorin on October 31, 2008, 05:20:11 PM Incidently, that song is a sure fire hit!
I cant wait to hear it on the radio, I reckon it must be the most mainstream of all the songs on the album and it will be huuuuuge :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: dodger girl on October 31, 2008, 05:37:44 PM oh gosh i can't believe it's finally happening.. i was so obsessed with CD two years ago and it fell short then.. now two years later it's finally happening! i'm sad i'm no longer involved in the GnR boards for this epic and legendary time in GnR's history as i once used to, but i'm as happy as any fan knowing that it's really happening and that come november we will be able to hold CD in our hands!!! :beer:
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Jaakko on October 31, 2008, 05:47:50 PM If "Street of Dreams" is "the Blues," I wonder if some of the lyrics were changed? Why? Didn't the song always have the line where Axl sings "street of dreams"? /jarmo Right, but it's used just once, and he says "the blues" several times, that's why I was wondering if some of the lyrics might have changed. Find out soon enough, I guess. Doesnt he say "..thats called the blues..." only once? Who gives a shit what's the official name and how many times some line can be heard ? The Song Formerly Called The Blues is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: faldor on October 31, 2008, 07:10:38 PM Incidently, that song is a sure fire hit! I thought that back in 2002 when I first heard it. I'll still hold to that.I cant wait to hear it on the radio, I reckon it must be the most mainstream of all the songs on the album and it will be huuuuuge :beer: Title: Great tracklist! Post by: The Catcher on October 31, 2008, 07:39:38 PM The tracklist is beyond great. Simply brilliant. it's jam-packed with instant hits and classics, and will take the world's attention by storm. I haven't heard all the songs, but the ones I have heard bode for the greatest GN'R record ever. Well worth the wait, even if you only look at the ones they have played live. Can't wait to hear the whole thing.
P.S.: Chinese Democracy as an opener is brilliant. Welcome to the Jungle 2. Title: Re: Great tracklist! Post by: duga on November 01, 2008, 04:08:41 AM The tracklist is beyond great. Simply brilliant. it's jam-packed with instant hits and classics, and will take the world's attention by storm. I haven't heard all the songs, but the ones I have heard bode for the greatest GN'R record ever. Uhm, no. But the best since Use Your Illusion I & II : ok: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: COMAMOTIVE on November 01, 2008, 07:14:19 AM Anyone else wonder how they came up with the order of the list?
I have a picture in my head of Axl playing each song and trying to decide at the very end notes, which song would flow better immediately afterwards....and I'm thinking this went on about 100,000 times over the last few years Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: Dead N' Bloated on November 01, 2008, 07:40:41 AM Does anyone still this SOD is a missing piece of "the trilogy"?
:peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: C0ma on November 01, 2008, 08:16:36 AM jarmo or Fernando, could you please help me with a question? we (members from perfectcrimgnr.com) are going to make some T-Shirts to celebrate the Chinese Democracy release. We selected the layout, and in the back of the T-Shirt, we are gonna put the tracklist from the album, BUT, we are in doubt with two songs: What is the right name of the songs: RHiad AND the Bedouins or Riad N' the Bedouins Catcher In The Rye or Catcher N' The Rye The doubt appeared after the updates from BestBuy. Thank you guys! : ok: couldn?t you help me?! :-\ Riad N' The Bedouins Catcher In The Rye Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 11, 2008, 08:20:35 PM I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about the inclusion of "This I Love" in the tracklist.
Fact is that many of us, for years, expected this song never to be heard, and had no idea if it even existed. All we had was Axl's statements about it back in 1993, and here were are, 15 years later, and the song has not only survived but is about to be released and heard by everyone. I find this to be nothing short of a miracle! :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 11, 2008, 08:37:26 PM By the way, chinesedemocracy.co.uk lists the song as "Catcher In The Rye".
To answer the question asked above. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kupirock on November 12, 2008, 01:14:43 PM by the way, what does RIAD mean?
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: duga on November 12, 2008, 01:23:21 PM by the way, what does RIAD mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: kupirock on November 12, 2008, 02:56:17 PM by the way, what does RIAD mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia yeah i know what is Riyadh, but wtf is riad? Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: LunsJail on November 12, 2008, 03:16:17 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riad_(Morocco)
I think it's this and not the Saudi capital. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 12, 2008, 08:34:40 PM Hm. Interesting. Is that where the bedhouins used to be?
I know a few things about them, but not enough about their location, though I do associate them with North African culture. What about the Middle East, is there any connection to them there? Personally I think Rhiad is going to be one of the most kick-ass songs on the album! It's the only song that's been played live that I haven't listened to since I got the bootleg back in early 2001. I can barely remember it, only vaguely the chorus, so it will be almost like a whole new song to me! :peace: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: jarmo on November 12, 2008, 08:36:58 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedouins
/jarmo Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on November 12, 2008, 08:38:08 PM So lookin at the tracklist, looks like its almost an even split of rockers and ballads. Im diggin it!!!!
Cant wait for this motherfucker!!!!! :drool: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 12, 2008, 08:40:11 PM So lookin at the tracklist, looks like its almost an even split of rockers and ballads. Im diggin it!!!! Cant wait for this motherfucker!!!!! :drool: I hope you're not counting There Was A Time as a ballad, even Catcher in the Rye is a stretch and at least a couple of those unheard ones are supposed to be pretty fucking hard-hitting, so I don't know where you get your seven ballads from. Personally I see Street of Dreams, This I love and Madagascar. I think it will be a surprisingly hard record. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 12, 2008, 08:43:25 PM I forgot If The World. My bad. That makes it four as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on November 12, 2008, 09:02:22 PM So lookin at the tracklist, looks like its almost an even split of rockers and ballads. Im diggin it!!!! Cant wait for this motherfucker!!!!! :drool: I hope you're not counting There Was A Time as a ballad, even Catcher in the Rye is a stretch and at least a couple of those unheard ones are supposed to be pretty fucking hard-hitting, so I don't know where you get your seven ballads from. Personally I see Street of Dreams, This I love and Madagascar. I think it will be a surprisingly hard record. Yeah a few of those have elements of both in it, thats why i said almost. :beer: Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: demanding_GNR_rock on November 13, 2008, 01:04:04 PM I know this will seem a stupid question but is anyone else looking forward to hearing IRS in it finished form, Probably my favorite song ive herd so far!
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Illusionist on November 13, 2008, 01:15:15 PM As for the ballads on the tracklist I'm going to say "This I Love" is the main ballad on the album while "ballad" would definitely have to be defined in order to make an accurate assessment...as it's no longer the 1980's...and ballads have changed. I'd have to agree with Sebastian Bach with his assessment on "Sorry" as that could also be a deeper, darker ballad...
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on November 13, 2008, 01:20:51 PM As for the ballads on the tracklist I'm going to say "This I Love" is the main ballad on the album while "ballad" would definitely have to be defined in order to make an accurate assessment...as it's no longer the 1980's...and ballads have changed. I'd have to agree with Sebastian Bach with his assessment on "Sorry" as that could also be a deeper, darker ballad... Plus the fact that GN'R's ballads never really were the same as their peers. They're ballads were in on a whole different level (November Rain, Estranged, etc.) Also, they werent the so called norm of what a ballad would have sounded like. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: demanding_GNR_rock on November 13, 2008, 01:25:41 PM ^dont know if you class 'breakdown' as a ballad but is was certainly underated GNR song, and i agree 'sorry' could be the dark horse on CD
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Illusionist on November 13, 2008, 02:22:41 PM I am a HUGE fan of the Illusion's albums...they were extremely underrated.
The fact that a lot of the songs on them weren't very popular makes me wonder how some of these songs on Chinese Democracy are actually going to do in regards to being received by the public well. I'll never forget the Use Your Illusion review in Rolling Stone where the reviewer (forgot who it was) talked about "Don't Damn Me" as the best song on the album...which is interesting. I LOVE "Don't Damn Me" but it certainly never became popular amongst the rest of the world... It'll be curious to see which amazing songs we all have come to love will inevitably become the "sleepers" on this album... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: pilferk on November 13, 2008, 02:42:00 PM I am a HUGE fan of the Illusion's albums...they were extremely underrated. The fact that a lot of the songs on them weren't very popular makes me wonder how some of these songs on Chinese Democracy are actually going to do in regards to being received by the public well. I'll never forget the Use Your Illusion review in Rolling Stone where the reviewer (forgot who it was) talked about "Don't Damn Me" as the best song on the album...which is interesting. I LOVE "Don't Damn Me" but it certainly never became popular amongst the rest of the world... It'll be curious to see which amazing songs we all have come to love will inevitably become the "sleepers" on this album... Actually, THAT'S one of the things I really liked about the Illusions albums....almost everyone had their own 'best song on the albums" pick. There was something for pretty much everyone....and there were songs on there that some consider filler, or sleepers, that were GREAT stuff and others thought were the strongest material there. I think we're going to see something similar with CD. Sort of a real eclectic assortment of material, where the song YOU love and can't imagine the album without others will think is good, but not "the best song". The song THEY think is "the best song" is one you could skip past after having heard it 10 times or so. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Illusionist on November 13, 2008, 02:51:13 PM You're absolutely right. Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel the same way about the Illusion albums. Personally, I have a new favorite song on those albums every other week. And then they recycle back and forth. I can't really name a bad song out of the entire 2 album set.
To be honest, I've already heard it on this board where some songs people feel are the best ever while they feel others aren't as great as the ones I may feel are incredible. I guess you can say this happens with any album...but to ones of the magnitude of Guns n Roses...it just makes more sense and is more in the forefront. Needless to say, it's going to be interesting whether you love it or hate it...and as much as the "haters" pretend to think they're going on this "crusade" against Axl Rose for no reason...they're probably putting in more time and effort caring about the status of Axl himself than maybe even some of the big time Axl fans... Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: eragon on November 13, 2008, 03:06:16 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riad_(Morocco) I think it's this and not the Saudi capital. Riad: a garden inside Morocco's houses Garden of eden pt.2 ;D Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 13, 2008, 03:13:16 PM I know this will seem a stupid question but is anyone else looking forward to hearing IRS in it finished form, Probably my favorite song ive herd so far! No, it's just you. Of course we are looking forward to hearing IRS in the finished form, it's on Chinese Democracy! And yes, it is one of my absolute favourites as well. Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: russtcb on November 13, 2008, 03:57:47 PM I think IRS and Better are what I'm waiting to hear most. Mostly because of Frank. I'm hoping his two bad ass drums fills (one in IRS and one in Better) will be on the finished product! (crosses fingers)
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 13, 2008, 04:50:44 PM It's true that many people don't see the brilliance of IRS though. I would call it my favourite of the new songs as well, although Madagascar and There Was A Time come extremely close. IRS was played at one of the concerts I attended on the 2006 tour, and although I was clapping and cheering vigourously after the song ended, most people were just standing and sitting there dumbfounded like they've been hit with something they didn't get or understand at all. Fuckers. IRS rules, but even my own sister has told me it wasn't any good. If she wasn't my own flesh and blood, I'd have to smack her for saying something like that :hihi: I guess it's one of the songs you just have to "get", though.
Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: freddiebrph on November 13, 2008, 10:57:25 PM ^dont know if you class 'breakdown' as a ballad but is was certainly underated GNR song, and i agree 'sorry' could be the dark horse on CD good call! breakdown is one of my favorite songs on the uyi albums. I love the words! Title: Re: Chinese Democracy Tracklist Post by: The Catcher on November 15, 2008, 02:20:48 AM I'm very interested in hearing the finished version of Riad. :smoking:
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