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hey everyone,

I've got a laptop that I use on the go and an old desktop that I use for all my dvd burning, video editing, etc. It's quite old and I'm looking to get some parts and build it. I've got a neighbor that repairs computers so he can easily put it together. I saw some products on newegg.com and I'm looking to get some opinions.

I'm looking to make the desktop one that has a lot of memory, hard-drive space, good graphics (for gaming & viewing BLU-RAY MOVIES I'm planning on buying a burner soon..). Connect to internet through lan cable (no need for wireless PCI card). Vista compatible. Would like to have quite a few USB 2.0 slots, along with a firewire port or two for my camcorder. Three 5.25" bays for 3 dvd burners if possible, no need for floppy. Planning on buying another 500GB/1TB internal for it as well.

Here is what I have already that I'm planning on putting in/using with my new desktop..
-Acer P221W (22" monitor, using VGA...would like to use HDMI)
-2 internal DVD drives (no cables came with them...possible to use old SATA cables from old desktop??)
-500GB internal HD
-new power supply (just put into my old desktop)


Here are the items I'm looking at on NewEgg right now...
-APEVIA X-Navigator ATXA8NW-SS/500 Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window
-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600
-Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor
-ECS P45T-A LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
-Turtle Beach TBS-3300-01 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Montego DDL Sound Card
-G.SKILL 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5Q-8GBPQ
-Western Digital Caviar SE WD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive


Thanks for all your help!

whats your budget?

About $1000. I have seen some things cheaper on TigerDirect, and others cheaper on Newegg. I guess I can split the order two places if neccessary?

I'm also looking at this video card..

XFX GeForce 9800 GT Video Card - FREE Call of Duty 4 PC Game, 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, (2) Dual Link DVI, HDTV, VGA Support
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4104586&sku=P450-9826

i think that looks all good for the most part. don't know much about the video card, check the reviews.

i'd get a bigger hard drive.. or maybe the raptor model, those are among the fastest.

actually i'd get a smaller hard drive at 10K RPM for the operating system and some programs, and a 750 GB for data, or higher.

oh and check out  anandtech.com for some reviews of hardware.

I would definitely buy a new power supply for this system.

Yeah i agree looks good and i definitely agree about the raptors those are fast drives. I hear the hitatchi's with 32mb of cache are really good too. That video card only has a 58% rating on newegg though. So i would consider looking for another one. The GTX with 512mb ram seems to be much better. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150314. What size power supply you planning on putting in here? I would definitely get one with a very high wattage like 650 or higher.

What operating system are you gonna use?






/jarmo

I've got Windows Vista Ultimate on a disc that I'm planning on using, I've got Vista on my laptop and I like it so..

You need Vista-64 to use 8GB of RAM.

That's what I've got : ok:

When you buy Vista it has the 32bit and 64bit versions on the disc.

Bumping an old thread, same components still but am looking to upgrade a few things.

Seems I can't upgrade the memory at all, at the 8GB max capacity without spending $500 (NewEgg) for 16GB RAM.

I'm looking, possibly, for a new video card as well -- I watch (mostly) all blu-rays and HD stuff. I'm also looking to maybe get some sort of input/output for that where I can bring TV feeds in (currently have DirecTV if it matters).

Not sure how many HDD I can have -- I don't think it matters but still -- but am looking to add on a third or even fourth if it is possible. I've always thought you can only have two as more would crash the power supply/motherboard/something like that.

Also, would any of you suggest a new motherboard/processor? Not sure if these are outdated or anything but I haven't had any problems with it as of yet so I think it should be sufficient?


With the PC I plan to do movie editing, downloading (reasons for big HDD space needed) and maybe capture some TV stuff if possible.

Also, plan on upgrading to Windows 7 very shortly.

Thank you guys for any help.

Do you really need more than 8GB or RAM? Waste of money otherwise.


If money is no object, wait for the AMD 59xx series (dual 5870) to launch by the end of this year, or else go for the 5870 or the 5850 according to you budget.
Good for HTPC stuff as well since it supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD pass through and 8-channel LPCM and is DirectX 11 to boot so it's future proof (for a while ;)).


To run 3-4 HDDs reliably, you need a good power supply. Better to go for higher capacity HDDs or if you can afford it a SSD.


Depends on your budget. A Q6600 can still give decent performance.

As for RAM, I don't think I need it I have just always thought more RAM = better.

As for the Video card, I don't think that will fit in my case? Here is a link (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144095) to what I've got now.

As for a SSD/HDD, I think I'm just going to switch out my 500GB one for a 1TB one, it has my windows and everything installed on it, but with my new installation of Windows 7 -- I think I'm just going to back everything up on my secondary 640GB HDD and then transfer it back over when it's done. Do-able right?

Is there a processor you suggest for the stuff I want to do?

One thing I wanted to ask, why do you want a separate sound card? Granted some audiophiles will
go for a separate card, but for most people the on-board motherboard 8 channel audio is good enough.
You can save the money and spend it on another component.


It usually is, but 8GB is good enough for the time being. If you do a lot of video editing and Photoshopping etc.
in parallel and find that the system is slowing down, then you can go for more RAM later.


You're right. I didn't think about that. The 5870 is 10.5 inches long, the 5850 about an inch shorter. There are smaller versions
like the 5770 and the 5750. Whatever you get, I think a 5xxx series card is a good choice, especially if you plan on connecting
TV equipment later on for movies. I think the 5870 will fit in the case though. You might want to confirm.


Shouldn't be a problem.


Sorry, in the previous post I assumed you had already bought the motherboard. If you are going to buy a new
motherboard and processor by all means don't go for the Q6600. That's quite outdated. You might want to look
at the Core i7 860 and a new P55 board to go with it. You can also go for a Core i7 920 which is a better processor,
but then the motherboard will be more expensive.

Or

You could go for an AMD based system, which won't match Core i7 performance but gives very decent performance
at a lower price.

Confusing I know. How much you can spend for the mobo + CPU combo would be the decider, I guess.

I have those things in my PC now, and I'm just looking to upgrade to make it faster/stronger/more reliable.

I am fine with the sound-card built in now, but if I get a new motherboard without one, I'd likely have to get an additional one yes? But I didn't bring that up as it's one of the (if it comes about, deal with it) situations. Thinking about this MOBO (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4914874&sku=I69-2200) with this processor (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5210408&sku=I69-1860) but it would be a little while until I can buy it and such.

I'm going to stick with the 8GB RAM, buy a 1TB HDD to replace my smaller one (couldn't I just add it on, have a third??).

I wish that video card would fit, I'd love for it. Instead of that, what do you think about this one (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5316156).

I'm looking at about $600 right now with the new video card, processor and motherboard.

Processor is good. The motherboard I'm not so sure about. You might be better off going for a slighly better board from ASUS or MSI or Gigabyte.


I don't think it'll work but you can try. If the system is unstable then you can get a better power supply. Board + RAM + CPU + new Video Card itself
will eat quite a bit of power.


The niggle with the 5770 is that it sometimes performs slower than a older and cheaper 4870 in games so if gaming is important get that.. :)
I'd rather you go with a 5750 instead.

Gaming isn't important to me, but the 5750 looks nice and is cheaper, so I'll consider it.

As for the Board, what do you think about this one (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4914879&sku=I69-2206)? Do you suggest any specific board from TigerDirect? Looking to go under/around $250 for the board.

Uh oh, bad news cotis. Did you already buy that RAM? I just noticed. DDR2 RAM won't work with these newer platforms. You need DDR3.
I suggest you dump the RAM and go with newer RAM rather than keep the RAM and buy an older platform.

This board is a good one (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5083742&CatId=4720).

Well that RAM is still in my computer, as I said I'm running it now, just looking to make improvements to it and make it better for the future.

I have THIS CASE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144095) but was thinking about possibly moving to THIS NEW CASE (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4146085&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs). That doesn't include a power supply though, which would cost me a bunch more.


Not a definite but just some ideas going through my head of what to and what not to improve upon.

I particularly like this PC from the 1800's though the video card may not be able to handle the latest games!

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2008/09/14/5_5.jpg)

If you are keeping the RAM, you can't go for that motherboard and processor. You will have to stick with the Q9650 or Q8xxx series of processors or
go for an AMD platform which has the nice feature that the CPU can run with either DDR2 or DDR3. It's better to get a good 600W-800W power supply
which will be able to handle all your future cards and other peripherals.

I still say if you are going to spend so much upgrading your system, it would be better to sell your existing DDR2 RAM and get a new platform
with DDR3. A good DDR3 4GB dual kit will cost you less than $70.

Anyone recommend a nice video card? Finally am upgrading my whole system for myself for Christmas so I'm not really holding back. Max $250 for the video card though if possible.

Got a i7 processor with a ASUS motherboard, 1000w power supply, some ram and such.

Just need the final piece!

heres the one i have.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130434&cm_re=260-_-14-130-434-_-Product

Go for the AMD 5850. It's the latest and retails for about $260. The problem is getting one for that price, since the demand is crazy right now and there aren't enough cards. If you can't find one for that price, go for the equivalent nVidia GTX 285. The 5850 is strongly recommended if you can get it though. Also, be sure to check your case and PSU for compatibility.

I'm still waiting on my 5870 HD XFX to show up. Going from a 8800gtx.

Can only find the AMD 5850 for around $300, whether on eBay or TigerDirect/NewEgg etc....I really like it though how it has an HDMI input. Will help with an additional monitor/TV if I ever need it.

Is this an acceptable motherboard & power supply to work with that?
MB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131407
PS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817190025

I'm running i5 instead of i7 as well, a little cheaper but still good. My budget was around $850 for everything, but building it for aroudn $1200 isn't bad, an extra $350 won't kill me.

Looks good, although a 1100W PSU is probably overkill. That's just going to increase your power bill and will be noisy. I've not heard of Xion either, so don't know how good it is. 850W should be more than enough for anything you might want to connect later on.

if ur going to use just 1 card go with a 750. i had a 1000 watt power supply and it heated up my room like crazy. if u want ill sell you my power supply :D