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Del Confirmed it.

just plain fuck me!


hope it's something we've heard though

Fuckin A

that doesnt confirms a damn thing. a non-trained monkey could have photoshopped it.

the url that appears in the screenshot is not working, i mean, the www.myspace.com/thelanguageoffear

hope to see un update soon

 :rofl: its true don't worry my friend.

The profile is private, you'll may not have access.

nice, i hope its not shackler's

apparently the soundtrack will be released 7th octuber and the movie 10th octuber.
now the question: will it be on itunes... CD quality or what?

great news !

so how did people get to know this? was it at some best buy thingie or what?

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Hello everybody
About time to post something after years sneaking around...

Really exciting things happening now:)

Thanks Del! Nice to see that the ball is really rolling now!
amyl

If this is really going to happen then you can't doubt things are well moving along now..

Thanks for posting the information.

So does this mean that the Best Buy deal is indeed sealed? 

It would appear to be so, being that the Body Of Lies story was attached to that story when it first broke.  Any thoughts?

I wonder why aren't people more excited about this...

Come on, this is great news!!! A new GNR song on a movie? How often does that happen?

If this isn't good news, I don't know what might be, then... :beer:

Oh, but if this was a thread about a member going on tour with some other band, or about the setlists, this thing would be flooded by now... ::)

Some people are posting in the Best Buy thread....




/jarmo

What do you think Del means when he answered we'd have to wait and see what song it was? "a lot can happen between now and then".  Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but is he saying the song may change between now and then?  He's/They're not sure what song will be in the movie?  Or a lot MORE can happen between now and then?  I hope the latter.

It could be Gn'r saying what song is going to be included or Gn'r releasing whichever song is in this movie as a single.

I would take that as meaning that there is a plan but all the details are not definite yet, which is why it hasn't been officially announced.

Let's just wait and see for more news :)

It's a polite way of refusing to answer.  Obviously he is way too smart to blow an announcement, or press opportunity, in a fan e-mail.

This is exciting news and will be happening very soon. :yes:

This is only info. I could find regarding anything on the soundtrack...

Serj and Mike Patton to collaborate on film soundtrack song.

Serj Tankian has confirmed that he has finished recording a track with Mike Patton.

The as-yet untitled song will appear on the soundtrack for the forthcoming Ridley Scott movie, 'Body Of Lies'. 'Body Of Lies' stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Russel Corwe and is due in UK cinemas on October 10th.

Sweet, nice start for the makings of a kick ass soundtrack.

Something else I was thinking about relating to the film..

Surely they would invite Axl and maybe even the rest of GNR to the premiere of the film?

Perhaps we might hear from Axl again then?..

Awesome :headbanger:


i heard once that the movie "Max Payne" was suposed to have a new g'n'r tune in it is that true? i just thought of it again now cause an advertisement just came on the TV and i remembered some one here said some thing about it a while ago :-\

But at least this one is confirmed........i hope

:peace:

"A lot can happen between now and then".........My take is that big annoucements are forthcoming!

Max Payne was just another rumour..

Even though all the details haven't been confirmed yet, a new song attached to this particular movie "Body of Lies" seems more likely right now..

its been confirmed by del himself so dont worry about it being a rumor now its just figuring out what song is actually in the damn movie

My guess is it is If The World.

I foresee a few mediocre songs being released in this fashion over the next few month,
so they can save the BIG GUNS for single/video, and real hype.

Might as well milk this album for all its worth.

azoff is doing his job very well for this band

if they have a song in a movie called body of lies wouldn't it be a song thats mostly hard hitting rather than the softness If The World has? i think it will/should be something new something hard :headbanger:

I really hope it's not If The World. We need the next hard smashing song. A typical GNR vibe. If there's something like that, that we alreayd heard, it's Better.

Shackler's fits this movie perfectly

watch the trailer and check out the lyrics.

a new song would be so much better

i think this is great news.but does it mean the cd will come out nov 25 th ?
with no promotion's at all but this.how about promotion's for cd coming out ?
when do we get them ?

it might fit but i think it should be something else. Shaklers Revenge is already on RB2 and plus only certain people are going to appreciate that song when the mass majority are gonna say "wtf is this peice of shit" or "this sucks". Those aren't my words i'm jsut saying, i like SR personally but i think it could have been better where it could attrack more of an audience than it inevitably will. But i'll take what i can get :)

This is very exciting news!

New tracks on a popular video game and an upcoming movie.

It's already a good Autumn  :yes:

The Beginning of what every GnR fan has been waiting for !!!! everyone should give Axl a thank you.  This will go down in music history ! no other person has had to rebuild a band that was the biggest in the world from scratch.  Only Axl has the talent and personality to due this, Plus if any indication from seeing them live playing the new songs it's gonna blow VR out of the water.

I love the enthusiasm, but let's wait until all the chips fall into place first.

yeah this is the beginning of something very big that will happen for sure

I understand your concern, but sorry nothing can ruin my mood today either.

THIS IS AWSOME NEWS

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Go buy yourself a can for now.  :P

the source being fan forum posts. :hihi:

anyway it's great that it's to be heard during the closing credits without other sounds.
and after a thrilling film with violent scenes a mellow tune will be very soothing.

RS just officially confirmed "Body of Lies" story


Exclusive: Guns N? Roses Premiering New Song ?If the World? in ?Body of Lies,? Release Date Reserved
9/26/08, 5:14 pm EST


There?s yet another sign that this might finally be the year for Guns N? Roses long-in-the-works Chinese Democracy. Rolling Stone can confirm that the album track ?If The World? ? a version of which leaked earlier this year ? will appear in the upcoming Leonard Dicaprio/Russell Crowe movie Body of Lies, in theaters October 10th. The track features the guitar work of GNR guitarist Robin Finck, as well as Buckethead, who left the band in 2004. The song plays during the closing credits of the movie, but it won?t appear on the soundtrack album. It will be the second official release of a Chinese Democracy track, as ?Shackler?s Revenge? is included in the new Rock Band 2 game. A source has told Rolling Stone that Guns N? Roses has reserved a November 25th date for the possible release of the album, which will be a Best Buy exclusive.

That doesn't seem like a very good idea, does it?  This band has been away for too long to come back with anything less than "big guns" straight off.  Who's going to check out the record to find the gems if the songs they've already heard are mediocre?

Won't be on the soundtrack though, eh?  So it looks like this won't be the first single off the album either.

Basically I foresee few mediocre songs being on cd. :smoking:

Surely this will be acknowledged on the band's offical site at some point?  WOOO-HOOOOOO!!!!

Even if it hasn't been officially confirmed by the band yet, this is it guys.

wondering when they are updating the official site regarding the soundtrack.  :love:

This is the best news i'v seen in sometime now. Just i think there waiting to see if U2 are putting out there album at the same time. BUT i think U2's new album got pushed back to 2009.

If they are going to play during the closing credits, why wouldn't it be on the soundtrack ?

NO they could be putting it out on itunes with Shackler's like a single. The B-side being If The World. NOT say it is or could be a B-Side or a single. But singles sometimes have 2 songs on them. Like VR did with there singles or what U2 does with theres.

In a different thread, I was asking where 'new' SCOM played in Big Daddy...it was not on soundtrack...poster claimed it was over credits, but I don't have the movie, and can't check.  I thought only version was Sheryl Crowe...but, perhaps this is a common thing, after all, the credits roll after 'the end' - perhaps that is where soundtrack ends.  Anyone who knows please respond...

Also possible that whomever wrote this piece was looking at 'soundtrack' available for order online...has only the 'score', or classical instumental pieces.  I am sure there are more 'real' songs on the actual soundtrack, which will eventually be available (Oct 7th?).

I think ITW will be in Body of lies and shackler will be in max payne movie (will be perfect the lyrics with the all story)!

I cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol

  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SCOM was played during the closing credits in Big Daddy.

Was it Sheryl Crowe (on Soundtrack) or 'new' Gn'R (not on soundtrack)?

New GN'R was during the closing credits.

Then we can assume ITW will also NOT be on soundtrack.

I am going to have to rent BD just to hear that...

Scom was also ending song in credits for a movie Bad Dreams..

i havent head the song, why people seem to think its not good for the movie? please elaborate

yea it wont be on the soundtrack, i hate when they do that, i went to watched  saw4 just to hear the new single by xjapan, because its not in the soundrtack of the movie.

How can you say the song won't fit the movie when you have not seen the movie or heard the finished version of the song?

I am super-excited any new gnr song is going to be in a movie. Regardless of what it is, its new music and that is fucking fantastic!  : ok: :smoking:

Wow, if I were Axl and I read this board and heard some the junk science speculation on shit you people know nothing about.   I would probably just do a cover album of all of Limp Bizkits music and release it as CD.   Furthermore, do you think there going to stick a song into a movie and it doesnt fit.  Shacklers Revenge is going to play in the background of THe Breakfast Club remake.  Shouldnt it be the blues.  I am drunK an dont care.  Embrace new GNR releases.  Or go root for Brett Favre..  You stupid fanboys.  Axl knows what he is doing.  Hes had plenty of time to think this one out.  He probably lives on same block as Leo, Russel and Ridley Scott.  There probably just all pulled this together after a drunken block party.  Which makes its pretty fucking rocking.  Leo, Russel and Axl have very similar relationships with the press.  I bet these three fuckers really get along.  

credits?






i guess its atleast something

Promoting music today is way diffrent from the last time UYI's were released.  Each song can cater to an audience of diffrent age groups, plus generating more intrest in Guns N' Roses.  Take for a example a 21 yr old girl could go see Body Of Lies and hear If The World and say " Oh I like this song who is it ?" thus creating a new fan ! Axl is no stranger in putting music into Movies.  You hear these two new song's and then you drop your first single with a video creating even more promotion and leading into the release of Chinese Democracy.

Well this is certainly sweet news.  the trailer i saw before looked interesting but now i definitely want to see the movie!

I felt the same, I was always interested in seeing this flick for awhile, long before it was confirmed GNR song would play. now I am more pumped!

The Sheryl Crowe version of SCOM was played during the movie and appeared on the soundtrack.  The GNR version was played during the closing credits and did not appear on the soundtrack.  The first half of the song was performed by the original lineup and halfway through the "new" lineup (at the time) kicked in and played the rest of the song.  

And for people saying "If The World" doesn't fit the movie, I think it's a little premature to say that.  First off, I wouldn't classify ITW as strictly a "love song", and without seeing Body of Lies I wouldn't strictly classify it as a thriller without any sense of romance.  Is it possible there's one girl in the movie who Leo may lust after?  Rarely do they make movies where there's a bunch of dudes running around with no women in sight.

Also, the part of SCOM from the original line-up was live and I think Duff and Slash may have sued, IIRC.

I hate to dump on this movie - but it is 'The Departed' (great Boston movie - to pronounce correctly say "th(a) dep-aaah-t(i)d)", but on a global scale, with the mob's part played by terrorists.  Not very original, and strangely Leonardo Diprickleo is playing the same character in both movies.  I will hopefully be in theater to see something else, and be able to sneak into this flick for closing credits!

As for SCOM in BD...I can't believe I missed that...now I need to go rent it, since they voice over credits on TV - if they run them at all.

The Departed was a great movie.  DiCaprio made some pretty good movies recently. The Avaitor, Departed, Blood Diamond, Body of Lies will be good with Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe.  Not to mention Titanic, while I'm not a huge fan of the movie, its the highest grossing of all time.

So this is not a risk by GNR to have a song on Body of Lies.  The movie will be good.

The novel of Body of Lies is pretty good... if the film captures it... it could be an oscar contender for sure. it's sick that GN'R released a song to them. No movie producer would not accept a GN'R song, it'd be seriously stupid. Can't wait to hear the final version...

I definitely wouldn't go with If The World for a soundtrack release. 

Axl must be very confident in his material now.  Hope he knows what he's doing.

It's Axl fucking Rose were talking about here!!


Of course he knows what he's doing  : ok:

then why the dolphins :P

He might not know what he's doing, but atleast he does what he wants  :)

Like Sex Pistols put it: "I don't know what I want, but I know how to get it !"

I think "If the World" fits this type of movie very well. As others have said... "If the World" immediately reminded me of the songs usually played during the beginning animated sequences of James Bond movies. It will fit in well with this spy movie as well IMHO. No problem. Axl, Russell and Leo... AWESOME. Now just sit back and enjoy. :peace:

depend on it it will fit.  it's the director of the sf classic, alien, right?

it depends on when in a film a song is used. t's during the closing credits.
after a drama of the brutal world of terror, you'll need cooling and soothing.

Who's to say Axl chose it?  It isnt Axls film. And im sure the filmmakers wouldnt just say "Axl, give me a song."   They probably chose the song from a group of songs deemed "releasable" by Axl and Co.   Or, someone involved with the film heard If the World, and wanted it for the credits.

Hopefully it's at the beginning of the credits, so people walking out of the theater will be able to hear at least a portion of the song. I don't know many people that wait and watch the credits at the end of a movie. All of us would watch the credits just to hear the song, but most people going to watch this movie will be totally unaware that a new GN'R song is playing during the credits.

Even better if the song were to start playing 20-30 seconds before the credits begin at the very end of the movie... I guess we won't find out until we actually see the movie...

Yeah Axl should've known his fanbase and realized that the majority would never grasp the Metaphor of the Dolphin in the Estranged video.

Damn shame people can't cause that video is amazing and has deep meaning.

Think about how many people will hear the song when they rent or buy the DVD. : ok:

Oh wow I can't wait to hear this new Guns N' Roses song!

We love you Axl :)

looks like the ball is finally beginning to roll. first shacklers, now this.

perhaps a release of the album will be out soon.

Yup it appears to be a SLOW rolling ball, but a rolling ball none the less. Lets just hope this string of a few songs turns into something!

Hey. I just want to drop this link by the NY Times regarding a brief article  on the song and the best buy deal. Nothing new though.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/arts/music/27arts-CHINESEDEMOC_BRF.html?ref=music

i don't think this song will be on the soundtrack.

It wont. Just like the other soundtracks GNR have been on...

it will be on cd.

The way things are going I bet we will have CD before the movie is released on DVD. I'm definately gonna check this out in the movie theatre

The song won't be on the soundtrack. I think that means that won't be the first single as well (different case of YCBM in T2). That's good... I expect a real big gun as first single (Better, CD or another heavy/hard stuff that we haven't heard)

Can't wait to go see body of lies and then while everybody's leaving the theatre rock out to If The World !

I think that after the second song is out there it will be a proper time for a video.

As cheesy as it would be, they almost need to show a quick promo before the movie starts saying "Stay after the movie to hear the brand new Guns N' Roses song, 'If The World', off their new album 'Chinese Democracy', out on Nov. 25th, only at Best Buy!". Most people won't know or pay attention to actually stay and listen to the song. They got less than 2 weeks to get the word out...

I wonder if some of the music will be n the film, like the jams they did of it in 2006/7 when so many people were complaining about solos. lol, cause they did jam the song ! But I just wonder if in the movie itself if there will be musical interludes, that we as fans would hear.

So is this a rumor or is this confirmed??  ???

*EDIT* Nevermind, I found out thanks to google that it is indeed confirmed, this is great news and I feel like this IS going to be the year for ChinDem, can't wait to purchase it!!!!

good song too, i've liked all the new songs i've heard, the album should be amazing and i'll def go see this movie now as it looks semi-good plus I wanna hear the studio version of this track

this is very cool - good work to them for getting another new song included in a non-standard release (as per normal single etc) that will reach lots of people.  look v forward to it  : ok:

I had a dream last night that I went to see the movie with my family and totally forgot that the song was to be played during the credits.  I watched the entire movie basically just to hear the song and I somehow forgot about it.  What a nightmare!

Here is the first review as far as I can see:

http://www.emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=11460 (http://www.emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=11460)

Seems as though they've put their song on a movie which is gonna be well received!

I thought the movie looked good anyway, but know it will be a must see.

what type of movie is body of lies? maybe we could get a feel to what type of song if the world is.i wonder if it is a rocker or a balled.

Agreed, long before I knew about the rumors then this confirmation I wanted to see it.

It's actually an action/semi-political thriller that takes place in the Middle East (Iraq I think). And 'If the World' is neither a rocker nor ballad. It's got a very "Arabian" sound to it, though, and I'm sure that's why it was picked. The lyrics apparently don't fit with the movie. It's cool, though...

its a song that fits the mood for the movie

I disagree, being Arabic myself, I believe the song sounds very "Latin" as far a the guitar anyway. It also sounds very "Mike Patton/Lovage". It is a very, very sexy song. You could easily imagine Santana playing the opening riff, and further riffs.

System of a Down has mastered the "Arabic" sound.

just found this article from KBS , heres what theyre saying

"If The World" features the guitar work of Robin Finck and Buckethead, who have both since departed Guns N'Roses.

http://www.kbsradio.ca/news/music/87/799648 (http://www.kbsradio.ca/news/music/87/799648)

Well, they are just speculating about that, since he is with NIN now.. they dont have any source we dont have..

First of all they arent going to interrupt a movie that will gross 100 mil domestically to say, "NEW GNR SONG AT END OF CREDITS."  not going to happen.  That would make the movie look cheap and take people out of the experience.  Trust me, Ridley Scott, Leonardo Dicaprio and Russel Crowe have way too big of egos to think they have to sell their movie with a GNR song.  Also if you are wondering what If the World sounds like all you have to do is take IRS, subtract the rock and add some latin pop beat and thats what you get.  I really dont know why GNR is leading with the weaker songs.

trust me dude this song is not weak really shows off axls vocal ability and appeals to the type of audience seeing this movie. i see it as, Shackler's Revenge appealing to the pre teens/teenagers when If The World appeals to adults

while I like the song I don't think it fits the movie... it's too sexy and almost porno, which doesnt make it very serious.. (not that there's anything wrong with that , but the movie is serious.... I think)

who's to say there isn't a sexy aspect in the movie....if you haven't seen it?

too sexy?  wow is this really the best description for this song?  Again, this song sounds a lot like IRS and honestly just makes me want to listen to IRS which shows off Axl's voice more.  Maybe the final version of If The World will actually be Axl's voice and not some super synthesized pro tools nonsense, but If the World still definitely lacks that anger and rock that is in so many gnr songs, while also not having the deep and passionate feelings of one of GNR's ballads.  Also, this song doesnt have an alt-chorus which it definitely needs and that so many of songs that otherwise would be weaker GNR songs include.

well, we wont know before we have heard the song.. the final recording.. and together with the move...

"If The World" sounds like "I.R.S."?  Wow, that's.....interesting.  I disagree completely with your assessment of its lack of "deep feeling".  I have no idea what an "alt" chorus is, but the song has a great chorus.  It's one of the strengths of the song.

Ali

It has the same line delivery as IRS and you can call it an alternative chorus or a finale or whatever youd like to call it, but GNR are the kings of using that structure.  Also the rhyme and rhythm schemes are very similar between if the world and IRS.  If you want just interchange the lyrics and sing them along with either IRS or If The World and it works almost too well.  Im disappointed with the lyrics in if the world and shacklers revenge and I dont quite get what Axl's doing.  Theres too much backstreet boys rhyming.  He rhymes the word "me" with the word "me" like 10 times in If the world and the other rhymes are all "away, say, today." Too me that just lacks inspiration and feels forced and contrived.  Im not going to get into the wicked demon debate again, but that same "say, way, today" rhyming is used in IRS and i dont think both songs should be on the cd.  Also, the IRS lyrics are so much deeper and the song is so much stronger.  It is harder rock, the version that was released has purer vocals, better lyrics, better structure.  It contains everything If The World does, but much more.   I assume its ok to discuss both songs since IRS has been played live and the movie that contains If the World had several advanced screenings in the U.S. last night.  Se
IRS
Wouldn't even matter the things that I say
You've made your mind up and gone anyway

If the World
if the world would end today
all the dreams we had would all just drift away
no, there's nothing more to say
if the world would end and all loves drift away

I really hope If The World is going to be released as a single, like OMG, Sympathy for the devil and YCBM... :)

Stylistically, the two songs are nothing alike.  You are nitpicking with rhyming schemes.  That's a pretty trivial and stupid thing to focus on, I have to say.

Ali

I have nothing against it but can we now suddenly discuss If The World?? ???

apparently there have been advance screenings, so it's been heard in an official way in the public domain.....so i suppose its cool to talk about


 ???

Axls part is pretty much interchangeable in the two songs, and I dont know if its ok to talk about.  I know there were a lot of advance screenings in Columbus, Ohio and I know a few people who went to see the movie...said it was like a mix between blood diamond and training day.  To me Axl's parts have always been the most crucial and important in the songs.  I always listened to GNR for Axl primarily and I was disappointed with this song as well as Shacklers.  I dont get why you dont lead off with Better, the blues and then TWAT.  To me that would blow people away.

I don't agree at all.  The vocal lines are not interchangeable between the two songs at all.  The chorus of "If The World" has an almost reggae quality to it.  And the melody lines aren't the same at all, especially if you look at the verses as well.

Ali

I didn't know Oh My God was released as a single like YCBM and SFTD

It wasn't.

Only a promotional single was sent to radio.



/jarmo

Re-Recorded In 2006.

 8)

dont know when it was rerecorded do we? all we know is that they have another newer version of it, i think it was nytunz that met dizzy in oslo and asked about it, pretty fkn sweet

That's cool cos i've always loved that song and thanks jarmo for clearing up that other question about OMG : ok:

Oh really? I never knew "Oh My God" was re-recorded.

I love that song so much, I really hope they'll release it. The version that was released before didn't really do any justice to the song.

You guys, do you believe HBK? I love the guy but sometimes the guy goes crazy :hihi:

a rerecorded omg can be on chinese democracy I hope

It's shame that the song wouldn't be released on the Soundtrack...

I never know about a re-recorded version of Oh my God..... I hope it's true, because I believe that if this band re-work on the song, it could become a great track.... for example, listen the new version of Rhiad: it's way better than the oldest we heard

I see comments like this a lot.  I find it funny that some of the fans of the "new" band think these three songs are the greatest, and are so much better than the "june leaks."   Its the same reaction that casual fans of the "old" band have when they hear any of the "newer" stuff.  You do realize that "better", "irs" and "twat" arent better or worse that the new stuff, its just that they have been around long enough that they have become part of your life; youve lived with them for a while.  Just like Appatite and UYI are for older fans.    See any irony?

From what I have been told the entire GnR catalogue has been re-recorded...mostly for 'training' purposes.  Perhaps we could see an official re-release of everything - eventually.

I had no interest in seeing the movie Body Of Lies when i saw the preview. But I'm starting to think it would be worth going to the theater just to hear "If The World" playing over the credits.
I'm thinking it's going to sound really good in movie theater digital surround sound.

i think it'd be a decent movie none-the-less with G'n'R init or not but with them having a song in the movie i most likely will make an extra effort to see it : ok:

That's why I'm going. Leo is nice to look at too

I was planning on seeing it first, but now that I heard about "If the World"...I'll have to definitely check it out.

No  ;)

I've had interest seeing the film before GN'R was ever mentioned to have a song included.

Don't get your hopes up, just because the song is  on the soundtrack, doesn't mean it will be played in the movie.

Other way around is the more likely scenario. The song is in the movie but not necessarily on the soundtrack.




/jarmo

Can someone clarify me this? Some people told me that today the movie was showed to certain people in a private session, that's right?

All Hollywood movies are usually given as private screenings to people in the industry, even normal people.

There's seems to be a few people who've seen it on the IMDB forum for the film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758774/board

Damn it >_<

The movie is released on November 26th where I live ! I might have Chinese Democracy before I get to see the movie ;D

Do we have any real confirmation that the song actually is on the movie?

Yes, Gould saying that on Best Buy convention.

SERJ TANKIAN And MIKE PATTON Collaborate On 'Lies' Song - Oct. 1, 2008

SYSTEM OF A DOWN singer Serj Tankian and former FAITH NO MORE vocalist Mike Patton have collaborated on a new song called "Bird's Eye", which will appear on the soundtrack of the upcoming movie "Body of Lies". The track, which was co-written with composer Marc Streitenfeld, was sent digitally to radio stations on Tuesday (September 30). "Bird's Eye" will play during the film's closing credits. A new track from GUNS N' ROSES, called "If The World", is also reportedly going to be heard at the end of the movie as well.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=105974

Hopefully ITW will be played before Birds Eye... :-\

I hope they have enough credits to last through 2 full songs.

I wanted to see this movie anyway, so this is a great bonus. Going Friday night.

I just saw it at a sneak preview.  Pretty good movie and "If The World" starts playing during the final 30 seconds of the movie and a little into the closing credits before another song starts (I'm assuming that Mike Patton one).  The song intro is identical to the leaks and definitely sounds like Bucket doing his flamenco thing.  They chopped the song up a little bit so there's only part of the first verse and then the chorus starts up again.  So there ya go.  I'm not sure what kind of promotion that's gonna produce but at least its something.  I get to stay and see the song writing credits so the next person to check it out make sure to check that out. 

So the full song isn't played?  Just the intro and one verse, and chorus?

Yeah didn't even play bucket's solo so I'm not sure if its still in there.  But the 2 chorus lines and one verse was all I heard.....

gee.. I was expecting the full song to be played,
oh well least its something ;)

Sounds to me like it'll be played last.

Same as OMG i'm thinking.

A review is up if anyone is interested:

Hey AICN. I'm a long time reader, but never really had the chance to contribute at all. However, last night I saw a free sneak for Ridley Scott's "Body of Lies" at my university and thought I'd give my thoughts on the film in a relatively spoiler-free fashion.

If you're like me, you watched the preview for this thinking "OK, it looks pretty cool, but I have NO IDEA what's going on." After rewatching the trailer now that I've seen the movie, I can tell you that any sort of promotional piece on this movie can't even cover a fraction of the plot of this film. Again, without giving away this complicated plot, deception is everywhere and I think the tagline was pretty accurate: TRUST NO ONE. Every ten minutes or so you have a title card explaining yet another location within the Eastern U.S. or the Middle East... make no mistake, it's a BIG movie. It is one intricate and finely crafted thriller courtesy of "Departed" screenwriter William Monohan, and in hands other than his or Scott's, I'm convinced it would have failed miserably.

I advise anyone who wants to see this movie to go in as spoiler free as they can. I was glued to the screen for the whole movie, and I think knowing close to nothing about this film made it all the more exciting. Although I'm sure some will complain about some use of "Shaky cam"/Paul Greengrass style camerawork (it isn't much, but there's a bit), the action is tightly shot and had the audience pretty reactive, not to mention there is some torture scenes that still make me cringe just thinking about them.

In my opinion, this is really DiCaprio's movie. He owns every second of this film. Every time he's on screen he brings an intensity to the movie that few actors could. Though I'm pretty sure everyone's past stereotyping him for his days as the object of teen girls' obsession, this film further SHATTERS any misconceptions that he's not to be taken seriously. This man is a badass. Now Crowe... he didn't really do anything for me. In my honest opinion I'm not sure if he really brings much to the movie. Whereas the trailer makes this movie look like some sort of cat-and-mouse thriller with Crowe chasing DiCaprio, really all Crowe does is play a detestable schlub who does his fair share of lying and deceiving. I feel kinda bad that he put on so much weight for the role because honestly there seemed to be little inspiration behind his performance. It's really unfortunate, but didn't take away from my enjoyment of the film.

In the end, as an action thriller, "Body of Lies" holds its own with the Bourne series that has basically reinvented the genre. It's exemplary of Monohan's gift with creating a HUGELY entertaining story with unpredictable twists, Scott's ability to make a solid and engaging film (only a year after "American Gangster"!), and DiCaprio's phenomenal acting chops. While I'm not sure it will be as much of a smash as last year's "Gangster" was, I can see word of mouth spreading about this one. I would most definitely pay to see this film again. This may not be remembered come Oscar season, but I'm expecting everyone to be quite surprised with "Body of Lies". Overall I'd score it about an 8.5/10, and will be sure to tell more about this great thriller.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38638

Jonx

Cool review, look forward to seeing it

this is cool..it reminds me of the summer of 99 when I went to go see" big daddy" just because I heard that there was a half new/half old version of "Sweet Child" at the end of it....I actually brought a tape recorder into the theater to try and record the song(haha it was my only feeble attempt at bootlegging anything in my life) and the tape sounded terrible but i still listened to it on my walkman all the time until one of my friends from high school who used to run this other GNR forum that focused only on the new band got me a decent copy of it on cd.....haha good times....ill be seeing it friday...

Going to a screening of the movie at UMiami tonight!

let us know how the end is :) i mean the credits not the actual end of the movie

I think this'll be a good film to see. I was interested in it before I heard about the GNR song being in it, so either way its win-win.

Disappointing that we don't get to hear the full song, but I believe this is part of the promotional strategy at this point - they're just offering previews of the album in different mediums, first the video game and now a major film, kind of testing the waters to see what kind of reaction or feedback it gets.

I think we could get another 'preview' of this kind somewhere else before the proper album promotion really kicks in.

But what's the point of testing the waters? I mean it's not like if the response from the public isn't good enough they won't release it, right? And if everything is basically done and it's only left to announce the release date, why haven't they done it? I mean it's not like we haven't waited long enough. Including new songs in games and movies is all cool, but ultimately what people want is a release date, and not another tentative one. God I hope the big announcment happens soon.

I know what you mean. Can only leave it up to the band to wait for the announcement in their own time.

Isn't it good that new music is getting out there though? Even if it is low profile? It shows that the music is ready and they will deliver it to us in full at the right time. They want people to know its coming, even if they're not screaming it from the rooftops yet. Things could be alot worse if "Shackler's Revenge" or "If the World" didn't come out at all.

@Kaneda
 
 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758774/soundtrack   :beer:

I know that GNR are not on the soundtrack but GNR are mentioned at the front page...

i wonder what the point of having a song in the movie if it's not on the soundtrack?  not everyone goes to a movie to hear a GnR song

You answered your own question.




/jarmo

It also costs more to put the band on the soundtrack itself rather then just in the movie. I can't remember all the times I've heard AC/DC in a movie, then have them not appear on a soundtrack, Who Made Who not withstanding.

What "la la la"?
Is that referring to the part before the acoustic interlude just before the solo?

Yes I think so...

For promotion or fun even....think about it...Rolling stone had a story on their main page about this track being in "Body of Lies"...it also exposes people to new GNR music who might not have gone out of their way to check it out for themselves...I dont know if the band just did it for fun, cause they like the movie, or promotional puposes...but it sure has alot of people talking...

only a minute and a half, thats lame

ill still go see the movie on friday

going to see "Body of Lies" tomorrow, and if so who is going strictly because they would like to hear new song, and how many of you previously planned on seeing movie before anyone know about new song? Just curious!!

i would if i lived in the US. but i dont think the movie will be on in europe before November.. but exciting anyway! Hope u have a blast  : ok:

To be honest I am going just to hear a minute and a half of this new track...........i haven't been to the movies for ages and this seems like a good reason to go........

i haven't read through all the pages but ign has posted an article on this song and rated it an 8/10 which is impressive in their scale.


http://music.ign.com/articles/916/916983p1.html

(http://musicmedia.ign.com/music/image/item/506/5066812/music_100708_436.jpg)

if its been discussed then you can delete this post

Good review.  Does that guy really think that's the whole song though, 90 seconds?  I can just imagine the backlash, "It took Axl 15 years to make a 90 second song?"  Just enough to wet your appetite.

Man the comments that people make are soooo annoying. Same shit over and over regarding GNR for like 9 years.

To find showtimes for the movie, visit IMDb.com (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758774/cinemashowtimes).





/jarmo

I believe it comes out today right? I will be seeing it soon.

I don't really like the song a whole lot, but it's an okay song.

im going to see it in an hour.

i wanted to see it before, but with the part of the song it should be epic

Just got back from the movie.   "If the World" starts to play during the final scene, *before* the credits start.   It's not the full song, and it seems to be a very, very condensed version of what the full track will be.   I was disappointed by this, but good God, was it great to hear Axl's voice again.  When the final scene of the movie ends, so does the song, and the music changes as the credits start to roll.

The movie was okay, too.    :)

Quality was much better then the leaks I'm guessing. Did the rhythm guitar in the verses cut through better?

Quality was quite good.  And the guitar parts really jumped out.  Not much of the verse to hear, though.  Pretty sure it was chorus, (very) condensed verse, chorus, then done.

I'm sorry I meant chorus. In the verses it's got that Spanish feel to it.

Everything sounded clear in both the verse and the chorus.  It was just over too soon.  And to clarify, I didn't stay through all the credits to see if the full track played later on.  Anybody else?

Going to see Body Of Lies this Saturday afternoon. I'm looking forward and hoping to see a good film and hearing the new GN'R song.  :)

I'm watching that shit on high quality tonight. Making a movie date with my chick. We have a cinebistro where I'm at. It's a 21-or older ONLY!!! in big sofas, with a table and dinner and cocktails... lol. The only way to watch a movie... no goddamn kids running around and screaming. Can't wait. 

hated the movie, terrible, i didnt want to sit through the the credits to see if it was played again or how the songwriting credits were distributed

well, i heard mixed reviews. also going tonight...

I'm going to see the film today also. Seems like a good story, and of course looking forward to hearing however much of "If the World" plays.

Saw the movie, good film, not amazing, but good.  Sort of similar in feel to Spy Game, done by Ridley Scott's brother Tony.  Much better choice to debut a song than the dud that was End of Days

The song kicks in during the final scene and fits very well with the movie's themes.  Sound quality and mixing were fantastic.  In the final credits, here's what was listed:

"If The World"

Written by W. Axl Rose and Chris Pittman (spelled with two t's in the credits)

Performed by Guns N' Roses

Courtesy of Interscope Records, licensed by Universal Music Group

oy fuckin vey!!!  I'm surprised they didn't spell the other name Axel.  How fuckin hard is it to spell someone's name correctly??  :rant:

so did Pittman write the guitar parts or did Axl? Seems his guitar lessons have really played off if he wrote that

or is it like NR and Estranged, where Bucket or whoever wrote the flaminco type parts but it isn't considered enough to be a songwriting credit?

Songwriting credits are for music AND lyrics.

NR has guitar too.
"November Rain"
(Rose)

Like Gypsy pointed out, just look at past song writing credits to get an idea.


/jarmo

just came back from "body of lies". like others have said, the movie is ok, but not a must see...

well, "if the world"... it fits the film perfectly. they have the song played from the intro to the end of the first real chorus (not just the intro chorus). sound was very, very good. only thing i still have to get used to, is the fact that axl's vocals seemed pretty shrill at the beginning. the verses rocked and axl sounded super-fine here! man, the guitar is heavy! much better and more energetic than in the leak (nothing much has changed though during that 2 minutes i heard; i guess it's just the mixing and mastering...). not really worried about "if the world" anymore. this album will probably blend lots of different musical elements together in a cool way.

Just saw Body Of Lies good movie I was really into, If The World is a masterpiece Axl really made some special I can't wait to hear the rest of the album.

I enjoyed the movie. sorry for those that didn't. the song sounded great. TWAT would've been a better choice IMO.

In the article he mentions that the song would fit more a James Bond movie.  Maybe, but I.R.S. would be just perfect, and as the main theme. It would make people forget about the horrible Madonna'a theme.

Yeah, if they were really smart, they would've saved 'If The World' and used it as the theme to 'Quantum of Solace', the new Bond flick. It sounds like it was written to be a Bond theme, but it's cool that it's in this movie...

I saw the movie last night with my father. The movie was ok. I was a bit disappointed. If The World sounds really good! I
agree that it would have been better for the new James Bond movie. My father, who introduced me to Guns music 20 years ago,
liked the song. He thought that Axl's voice sounds a little bit higher now.

Anybody who's seen the movie, is there any buzz about the song in the theater?  I would kind of doubt it, as people are there to see the movie and probably don't give a hoot about the song.  But anyone hear any mentions?  Maybe, is that Axl or something to that effect?

i was looking out for that, but i didn't see it happening. a few people were sitting through the whole end credits. most people left immediately when the movie was over. but i guess i was not the only one in the cinema (at loes lincoln square) that was there because of gnr... saw some dudes with long hair giving each other a look when if the world started...

There was two guy's with GnR shirts in the 3 rows back from the screen !!! I was in the middle row and loving Axl's voice at the end.

Saw the movie last night. The placement of the song is perfect. It sort of forces those in the audience to hear most of it if you want to see the final images of the movie. As for the quality, it's the same as what I have already (hehe).

a.

What do you do after a week filled with incredible Guns news, releasedates, new songs and constantly pressing reload on gunsnroses.com.............

Well I've just opened a beer, put Appetite in the cd player and wandered of into the jungle!!!!!

Have a fantastic weekend everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like a great way to spend a Saturday :beer:  Your right everything is sooooooo exciting right now, Axl pretty much has the world hangin off the edge of their seats.  Welcome to the board :)

Guitar isn't music?

You're asking who wrote the guitar parts and assume it's either Chris or Axl since they're the credited song writers.

She says there have been examples in the past where no guitar player has been credited as a songwriter on the track.


So, what's the problem?




/jarmo

I think it may be just confusion, I dunno Ive made demos and had a guitar player play on tracks, they didn't technically write the music, only add riffs, or licks, but not necessarily be composer of the song they added to. Then again Ive had demos done where The guitar player actually really had major influence in how the song structurally was done. And Ive copyrighted accordingly. Credits giving where there was much structural changes, with song on behalf of the guitarist.. and non cre4dit where it didn't structurally change  the song, only added, and it was done so with all parties agreeing.   

She said songwriting credits are for lyrics and music and I was simply pointing out that Guitar is music. I feel if the guitar is a heavy contributer to the song, that should count as credit.

Whoever wrote the flaminco guitar thing, should get credit for it cause its a huge awesome part of the song that elevates it.

And you think you have to be a great guitar virtuoso to come up with a melody played on a guitar?

 :P


/jarmo

Song writing means. Lyrics and chord progression. The reason Axl wrote all of November Rain is because he wrote the Piano part and the lyrics. Rest of the instruments were just their own flavors added in.

So I'm assuming that If The World was something Axl and Pittman put together jamming and then the rest of the band joined in and put in what they could add to the song. That's why you get so many flavors of Keyboard jam, Exotic guitar and heavy rock guitars in parts with a blues solo. Technically this is a really solo musical song.

Aren't yourself a musician? You should know exactly what means songwriting.

Solos, riffs and arrangements are not included in this category. I don't know how you can argue with that.

Brain did an AMAZING job on If The World, by far one of his best contributions (along with Rhiad). Did he get any credits?

Who cares. It's a good song. Written by Brittney Spears and done by Guns I'd be happy with it.

slash says in his biography he spent ages arranging lots of illusion songs etc, and wrote heaps of parts but got no credit; i mean, i guess you have to draw a line somewhere, and yeah i think axl and chris probably wrote the foundations of the song, and the others added to it..

the songs pretty awesome; axl is a bit hit and miss.. i hope he hits alot on the album

But the fact is most of those songs he didn't write. He may have made them sound better with his guitar twists. But unless he wrote some lyrics or came up with the chord progression or melody then he didn't write the song.

what?

true, but riffs are included mostly. imagine jack buce getting no credit for the "sunshine of your love" riff. or ritchie blackmore not credited for "smoke on the water"... anyway, who gets songwriting credits is not always so clear and a band might fight and argue about it as well...

I really liked the movie and I TOTALLY LOVED THE SONG!  :beer: :smoking: :love: :hihi: :peace: : ok: :-* ;D :D ;) :)

I agree, I just got back from seeing it a while ago.

wow

that chihuahuas movie got the first place again in the boxoffice,body of lies was 3rd. really sad. :no:

who cares, its not like it ws billed as GNR movie

i mean for the movie industry not for guns, to get a new ridley scott movie and preffering to watch that chihuahuas movie? i know it was probably the families that went with their kids and all, but no one was anticipating this.

people that care about this and spend time covering movie grosses speculate it was due to the subject matter of the movie and the dark times in the US due to the activies of the stock market and people wanting to escape from that reality :-\

I agree. The movie is really good . I thought it had a strong message for the US to get out of Iraq. To be honest, I only went to see the movie because I wanted to hear the new song. It was so cool to see Axl and GNR's name up there on the big screen! And Leonardo is pretty cute too.

Seems to be a bit of an ego thing, though it's not unusual at all for the guitarists not to receive songwriting credit, even though they have a huge impact on how the song comes out. I am always interested in seeing who writes what, but I don't put a ton of stock into it for that reason. I always respected the bands that credit the band as a whole for what they create, as that is probably the closest to the truth in most cases anyway. If you dont have a good songwriter, then you dont have shit. Axl is a great songwriter, and has always had great musicians to add to his songs. I am pretty sure Slash wasnt credited for Estranged, and while I realize that it is one of Axl's masterpieces as far as songwriting goes, it certainly isnt the epic it turned out to be without Slash's axe work. Axl did praise him for it in the making of, and was obviously very gracious of the work he did, but I can see how in similar cases that would really rub a musician the wrong way. It's believed to be the reason Mick Taylor left the Stones, basically ending the greatest rock n roll band of all time.

It's just the way it is. I've been in many bands. And unless you wrote the chord progression or lyrics, you did NOT "write" the song.

Axl wrote Estranged as a piano song and later added to the UYI2 booklet:
"Thank you Slash for the killer melodies."

I know that. I was just using Estranged as an example. My point is that, no matter who the song is credited to, in this case only Axl, there is no way you can think of Estranged without thinking of Slash's solos. Obviously the song doesnt exist without Axl, but its not an epic w/o Slash. Thats why I dont pay much attention to the credits. Is it possible to listen to Estranged w/o picturing Slash soloing on the water? Priceless!

There's know way Slash should be in credits for song writing in Estranged. That's a song written by Axl. There's no 2 ways about it.

Song writing does NOT include adding parts on top of the base of the song.

"killer GUITAR melodies". Rose wrote the song.

I realize that. You guys aren't saying anything I didn't already. Regardless of the fact Axl wrote it, people are going to associate Slash with the song as much as they do Axl. Axl wrote it, great, he deserves the credit. I'm just saying I can see where musicians that dont get credit could be upset by it. Its very well documented that it happens. I'm not saying its right or wrong, or that I even care, just throw'n my 2 cents out there.

good movie, great song and the placement in it was perfect

u do know that this is about if the world.. great, moving on

Thanks board nazi.
 

Piss off dude...

 I agree... I dont want to come into this thread reading about 1991 credit arguments.... I wanna see what people have to say about the song!

Oh agreed, especially with lead guitar players because the majority of the time they don't "write" the songs. Although there's some "Slash" songs on GNR albums as well. Just not as many as Axl and Izzy.

just saw this movie tonight and was walking out during the credits when i thought i heard axl's voice... thought i would check on here to see if there was any mention of the track.  cool to see new gn'r material being released. 

Guess people didn't pic up on the fact that the music of IF the wold, was included in the movie also, in the background, during the fi, specifically the guitar parts. Just saw the film,, liked the movie .

I finally saw BOL Friday, and was the only one in the 'megaplex' to hear Axl sing ITW...of course, I was the only one sitting through the movie as well...place was M-T on a Friday at 5pm.   Movie was lame, undeveloped characters, seemed very condensed, etc...but song was worth $10.25 I paid to hear it (it was also very condensed). : ok:

Listening to the album on myspace and what a great suprise it was to hear if the world mastered. I heard the leak a couple months back and I thought it was cool, but the final version is so fuckin awesome. It tunes in and out, guitars are sick, it fuckin rules!!!!

Great fuckin song.  Love the funky intro

pretty fucking sweet, i loved the way "la dada" shit was played or how to say ;D

I love this song. In my opinion is the best one along with Better and the Democracy. The whole album kick ass.

WOW, This absolutely shits all over the leak version we got.

The part where Axl's voice slowly pans from right to left! WOW, what an effect.  the production and music and everything is just absolute perfection

I think this is one of the best songs I've heard maybe ever?

Seriously, I see people rating this one sort of low, but this song sounds like its been famous for 30 years or something.

Instant Classic

The first real shocker of the album. By that I mean it's the first track to go somewhere you never thought GN'R would. I like how the intro sounds like a skip but it's not. It's actually the underlying groove to the whole song. Takes getting used to but again the groove grabs you. Axl's vocals in the verses are much stronger then the chorus, same for the lyrics. More great guitar work both in what you expect and don't (the flamenco work is sooo cool).
4/5

Its a great song (weel, all of them are...) it caught me by surprise the first time i lestened to it, its very unique!!

Forgot to mention; LOVE the "la la la" part.

woah, cool song  :D would be cool to have an instrumental version of this one

The "new" beginning intro to this song must have been added on recently...it certainly wasn't in the movie "Body of Lies"...

If the World is probably one of the best tracks on CD, if only for being so out of left field. But it's a tight tune.

Oh and the level some of you go to split hairs astounds me. Here is a good metric for how to determine songwriting: If you strip it down to it's most basic level (ie: acoustic guitar and vocal, or piano and vocal) does it still stand up as a song with the same intent and emotion? For example: Smoke on the water without it's signature riff? Not a chance, Blackmore gets a credit. Estranged with just piano and vocal? Still works, no credit for Slash. His solos and parts are really nice, but they aren't the defining part of the song they are sugar on top. David Gilmour didn't get credits for plenty of Floyd tunes that contain what are considered signature Gilmour guitar solos. It's about the song, and anything you can take out of a song without the song itself breaking down are not integral (ie: worth crediting) parts.

I suspect that If The World is Axl's words, and Pittman's music (ie: initial chord progressions, piano parts), while it may not be as exciting without those guitars you could take everything but the vocal and Pitman's chords away and it would still function as the same song.

I LOVE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!! I thought this was one of the songs people seemed to like least and I FUCKING LOVE IT! I hope Axl does more Funky Tripped out shit in the future. So awesome! Goddamn I love If The World, always have, and always will. Its hard to shake from my mind.

Seriously people Chinese Democracy fucking rules.

Love this track, it was a real suprise for me to hear such a song, even when it leaked in demo form back in June.

I'm still loving the track, even more in the final product.

love it :) then again have not heard a song yet (heard up till scraped) that i have not loved.
Does not sound too different from the leak to me might be myspace's quality, love the quiet bit in the middle though

Right now i think this is the stand out track. Love it. Sounds alot better then i was thinking it would. My fav on the album so far  :beer: 5/5

P.S. THE DRUMS ARE KILLER!!! on this song and the album in all.

The solo just past the 5 minute mark is one of the greatest I have ever heard.

A-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y  FUCKING   AMAZING!!!!!

Is that Robin on that solo?

It's a great track but it also reminds me of he song "Ready for Love" a lot from Bad Company if anyone is familiar with that tune, same kinda groove, and its not a bad thing, but i def see a lot of 70's style influences.

i think this is my favorite on the album, not the best or standout track, but my favorite. The acoustic is amazing, the intro with the stuttering rhythm is so cool, and where the sound goes out into the right speaker at la la la is so good. His vox are as good as any.

Nup.  Bucket plays the solo.

And what do you mean the 5 minute mark?  The solo starts at 3:19.

Suggestion: Play the song as you're driving in the middle of a thunderstorm as the wind and rain is smacking your car around and the only thing you see in the sky as you look up is the pitch black of storm clouds only to be lit up by streaks of lightning flying through the vast darkness into the distant horizon.

IMHO it will be one of the most intense moments you'll ever have listening to a song  ;)

ooooook.......lol  :rofl:

i'm serious, dude. it was such a surreal moment.

To be honest, I think it's actually Richard on the solo, it's got that fat bluesy tone to it like his guitar did at Lisbon. Anyone else think this?

3rd favorite song on the album.

This song really does nothing for me. My least favourite track on the album.

Perhaps someday I'll come to like it  : ok:

Richard fan hey?

Sorry to tell you this mate.  But you can count Richard's solos on zero fingers. 

As for "If The World", that solo is Buckethead.

This would be one of those great "Say No To Drugs" Ads. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

The drums in this song just fucking rock

Keep listening Gunnerdownunder


It is one of my favorites.

The instrumentals are great on this song as well as the vocals.  I'm holding off until Saturday to hear Sorry, This I love, and Scraped.  So far this one sounds the best mastered!

This song is probably the one that has improved most from the leaks. I love everything about it. The drums, the new intro and the la la la part. I swear when I would listen to the leak I would say to myself that it would be cool if the la la part was like toned down kinda coming from a distance or a radio or something...i swear to God...no Lie!....and sure enough I read the reviews as it leaked and then bam just how I wanted!!!

This is def at the top in terms of album favorites for me.

It was such a surreal moment, I might as well have been on drugs.. but i wasn't :no:

this song has really grown on me. 

Typo, sorry.  Meant just past the 3 minute mark.

Bucket is amazing!

Sorry dude, was just busting your balls. I loved your beautiful imagery and all that. It was out there but I dug what u said!

I much prefer the stripped down demo to this version. I cant stand Pitmans sub bass or whatever it is, that naff electronic bassline drowning out some funky guitar work and just about everything else at times. Also the phased la la la sounds like what one of the sound effect buttons did on my first mixer in the early 90's, I cringe hearing it on this record.

One of the best guitar solos on the album for me is on here, but I'm already skipping this song. Its a shame cause I did like the demo.

I have a driving "If The World" story too.

Last night, I was playing the CD for the first time in my truck.  My speakers in my truck suck ass, so I only play music in there once in a while.
 
Anyway, when I got to this song, I just started grooving along.  Eventually, I looked down and found I was going 10 BELOW the speed limit :hihi:  I have to say, that's the first time I've ever caught myself going too slow! ;D

Bloody women drivers  ::)

THAT WAS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Very underrated song, I'm surprised more people don't dig it. Very experimental, and I think that is cool as fuck, and even after hearing the whole record, this is still the song that I constantly have stuck in my head. Extremely catchy, almost contagious :peace:

Totally agree, just bought the album and listening to If The World at the moment, I think its sooo much better than the demo version. Fanastic song, I think it was pretty ballsy to put this on the album and for me it totally works!

My main complaint about the radio effect is that it kicks in shortly after Axl start singing the lana na bit...

It's one of my favorites off the album. Every time I hear it I just start head bobbing.  8)

This was one of the most unusual and refreshing moments of the album for me.....what a combo...

LOVE the official version....the drum opening at the beginning and the "Creeping Mono AM radio" effect after verse 2...very slick.....leading into the amazing dual guitar melodies running together up to the amazing acoustic run at the end of the song.

Bad ass all the way around  :beer: :smoking:

I've realized there is something very special about this song. I can't get it out of my head! Ever! It's always the one song I find myself stuck with in my head. It's really a beautiful. Amazingly, I can be listening to an absolute masterpiece like This I Love before I go to bed and have that one in my head, but when I wake up If The World has taken its place. Irresistable tune. 8)

its simply lush.

This song is so catchy and funky and i see a lot of people dislike it. I love it and it is pushing to be my favorite along with sorry, catcher, better, twat,shackler,maddy and basically every song  :hihi:

To me this version sounds way better than it did when I listened to the demo a while back.  I am surprised that this is one of my favorite songs on the album!

This song is an absolute masterpiece in my opinion, and was the biggest surprise on the album for me back when it first leaked. A very laid back, funky, melancholy piece. Absolutely beautiful stuff, I absolutely ate it up. This is a song that would best be listened to when driving on a rainy day. Very mellow and reflective; yet powerful. They added some nice punch to it in the finalized production, great, great stuff.

I think it would be a good choice for a future single.

Another song I didn't quite get until I set down w/ the lyrics N' concentrated on it..I love it now...

The final production on this track is superb. Chris really shines on it, the sub-bass gives it that power.

The Na-na section has some great panning! Right to left.

Fuck.  Me.

A guitar solo like that has absolutely no business being in a song like If The World.

My first impressions of the song from the leaks were very poor.   But listening to the song in all it's glory from Chi Dem I absolutely love this track.

And that guitar work....   Wow....

This is definately my 2nd favourite on the record. I love how much panning there is throughout the song, mainly the ending. Such a funky tune but still rocks the shit outta ya.   : ok:


 :peace:

Slowly becoming one of my many favourites on the album! ;D

Yes, this song is like good sex. You just can't get enough of it.  :peace:

this song has grown on me so FAST.  pittman justifies his importance to the band in this song ALONE.  what he does for GNR is great.  buckethead's spanish acoustic guitar is amazing, blended with a slow, heavy metal riff.  the vocals remind me of almost something ESTRANGED.  anyone agree?

At first I thought it was too much like Frank Sinatra, but after a few listens it really grew on me and now I love the song. Very beautiful...

I love this song.

Thought forsure the solo was played by Robin - good work Buckethead :beer:

When I first her the short clip at the end of Body Of Lies, I wasn't sure about it. But after listening to it several times on the album it's definitely a catchy song for me.

i think it sounds like a good theme song for a james bond movie

Totally agreed! i saw the new bond which I loved last night and I thought it would have fit in there perfectly!

I agree.  at the movie i said to myself, "What the Fuck???????"
But on listening to the whole thing, its a good song.  i liked it the first time i heard it on the albumn

I can get my head around the Shacklers intro but I just cant like this song yet it just seems way too sub par

Only it goes for twice as long as good sex.  : ok:


 :peace:

god dam man, theres nasal spray you know  :hihi:


favourite part in it is the solo how it fades from right to left channel with the flanger on the guitar bit at the end back into the chours...
very nice.

I think I would REALLY like this song even more if Axl didn't go so high when he sings "If The World..."

I have a hard time listening and getting into that voice.

Anybody else?

nope  :) no hard time ...

really nice guitar work by Bucket. One of his best solos on the album no doubt.

 Thank you!   I was wondering if I was the only one who thought this song would have made a GREAT Bond theme.

and nope.

I also love the oooh ah lalala bit.

Have you noticed in the CD booklet on the "If The World" page,

behind Chris is an eye!  ;) (Aye!)  You have to turn the booklet on its side to see it rightly.

Maybe it goes with the line - "I never knew the way that you looked at me.."

I know the perfect video for this, I see it in my head every time I listen to the song, PM me axl  :hihi:

The 1st few listens ITW didn't grab me..I felt it was a bit artsie..But I think that is the point of CD..Differant styles..If it would have been AFD sounding all the way through there would have been no point w/ the new lineup(s). Now ITW is one of my favorites..
I think it would be a great set closer leading to the the encore..

i played this song to my friend who only likes bhangra,indian,hip hop..and he loves it!!!!!!!! he loves the spanish acoustic guitar..when i said to him its guns n roses...he couldnt believe it..he said it sounds so cool...axl rose has good variations!

Alot of my friends say it's their favorite track on CD.

one of the top 3 songs on the album!

I would say that If the World is definitely the most successful song in that GNR has truly conquered new musical terrain with it.
I usually picture the ending of "Fight Club" with this song with all the skyscrapers being blown up and the simultaneous love-making.

It could very well be the sexiest GNR song ever made alongside Rocket Queen.

This should be the next single after Better,
has the most public appeal IMO

When I first heard the demo leak back in June, I remember for the first 30 seconds or so I was truly confused and frightened from the flamenco guitar. It grew fast though, and the finished version has a lot of power. Axl sounds like he did in 1991 again.

I don't know if this has been said yet but this week on the History channel it is Armaggedon week.......and If the World came to my mind.......... :smoking:

alot of my friends that are into rap and hip hop like this track the best i do not no why but this track always grows on me ! kick ass! :peace:

The beats.

i got really stoned a few nights ago and listened to if the world like 5 times in a row because I noticed so many things layered in there that I never noticed. It's really one of the best songs. 

Love the song!
The first time I went through the album, I said to myself, that this is the only song, that has some kind of the mystery in it. I think that in many songs on this album, the flirtation with electronic sound didn't go to well. But this one fuckin rocks. It's fresh, it's crazy, it's very eclectic, but not overwhelmed by too many forms. Great, what can I say.
The only flaws here, are... someone said about high voice on the begining. I liked it myself, but the sound of the voice could be different, like stronger maybe, wider. The other thing is to many glissandos.

Cheers

love the flamenco guitar and rhythm. Ooohla la la la
makes me ponder why human beings are created so lone.

I think ITW would be a great set closer leading to an encore of CD, Sorry and PC..
The lighting  could be flashes of white and purple lights to reopesent some sought of storm or mayham....
After ITW ends the stage could go black w/ GN'R flashing like the UYI tour..
Than after a few min. the intro and movie, that they did on the last tour , for CD could start up..After CD I think Sorry would be great...It's a bit slower and could give Axl a bit of a rest before PC..Everything from the tempo and the positive outlook of the song make PC the perfect closer.

Does anyone else cringe when they hear the second verse?  I don't think lyrically it's quite up-to-snuff with what Axl can do, but musically the song rules ass.

No.




/jarmo

yeah i sure haven't cringed once listening to this album, I'm excited to hear this song live at some point this year, after the 06,07 shows with all the jams , i'm thinking this track will fit nicely.

Interesting. I don't know why I should have, explain more.

The AM radio la, la, la part is great.I wonder how/if they will do it live..

roadies will have jetpacks on their backs holding all the amps and flying from one side of the arena to the other :o

It's really not that hard to do live. The sound tech will need to pull the bottoms out then pan the master for left and right front of house. Might be an easier way but that is how I've done things like that in the past.
It would give it a close enough sound i think.


 :peace:

Just not a fan of the constant repitition of the word "love", I think everything else about this song is great, but if you really listen, the second verse is so basic it could be a pop song from the '90's.  It sounds, to me, like Axl singing to Beta because it's "you're the only one I have ever loved that has ever loved me", but if this is a testament to his apprecitation and love for Beta, he could have hit us with something more powerful and real.  This is also my problem with "This I Love", if this is as deep of a song as Axl means it to be, he should have gone for something that isn't as basic.

Just sayin', lyrically it can be kind of drag... now bring on the arguments.

Or what if he was alone singing to the mirror  :o would it still sound basic to you?

kinda yeah... the point is not who he's singing to/about but how.

I meant I wonder if they play ITW wether  the AM part would be played live or recorded like the orchrester in Bohimium Rapsody or the spoken part of God of Thunder.

I'm sure Chris has adequate gadgets to reproduce the effect in a live environment.

I loved hearing this song on the big screen when I went to see BODY OF LIES.

I fuckin love this song... anyone find it sounds like it should be in a James Bond movie?  :smoking:

Yeah, which is why it was appropriate for Body Of Lies.

not me.


my point is not who in particular he's singing to either.

You said the word love is thrown too cheep seeing it as just his to someone near him like everyone else but I see more.

Whose love would just slip away at the end of the world? Not just the singers and his loved ones. But also yours and everyones in the world.
when our history ends, the dreams we humans have had, everything human have made for some millenniums will drift away into the silence of the dark cosmos.
aliens that arrive this planet 5670 million years later or so to find the ruins may find our far behind technology retard but can they relate to our art, literature, music, thoughts, sentiments, jokes, which even your dog doesn't?

we are so alone in the universe. Do other creatures even feel lonely? Do androids dream of electric sheep?

When you think of the end of the world, don't you feel that our species are so dear and precious to you?

Na I'm not saying that is what this song is meant, but, as axl said he?d like people to develop their own relationship with the songs a bit, this song make me think of our planet?s uniqueness in the space. Think of our/ human's solitude in the entire universe.

It's interesting you'd take that approach, and that's kind of a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  If the song really is that deep, doesn't it make you wish he hit that nail on the head a bit better?  The music certainly suggests something great and big like this, but I just don't feel the lyrics jive well-enough with it.  And don't get me wrong, it's easily one of the best songs on the album, but he's just being way too general for me to really relate to this one.  I don't say this out of criticism, only confusion and disappointment.

like bono would? nope,
the song is perfect as it is. No no there's no more to say, the music is already beautifully eloquent.
the lyrics are nicely refined. the vocals are singnficant. If they were verbose they wouldn't give the lingering imagery as they do.
the imagery of the rondo of planets and the infinite silence of the universe.

I loved it in that movie!

I sure he does, I bet Bumble will be on the flamenco playing buckets parts.

this song...kinda...gosh, hard to describe..! I'll try my best.

 if the entire planet got blown to hades, it's almost too hard to imagine the billions of souls getting judged and going to heaven or hell (if you subscribe to that theory or any kind of life after death). It'd be too much effort. So we'd just be drifting out in the cosmos with all our unfinished business and hopes and wishes and love and lust for life that was denied us, we'd be bound together in some dreamtime reality. And it'd be kinda nice because humanity would be united in something at last...dreaming of each other.

I sorta feel that we'd be nothing but our drifting dreams, if the world ended.

(I wouldn't say we're alone in the universe, though. Unique, and isolated, yes, but not alone...far from it...)

on the other hand, if it's more of an 'ending of the world-as-we-know-it', all our hopes and dreams would be crushed and shattered. can't you imagine the dead look in people's eyes? To think of all the lost opportunities and 'what-ifs'. 

In some small way, this song tells me to seize the day and not waste time dreaming of love. Not to fear making your own dreams come true.

I can't personally explain the meaning of If The World to me, but I can say it creates a deep emotional feeling in me.  A longing and a sorrow... hard to describe.  I love the lyrics and to me, it's the most classic rock sounding song on the album.  I know many will disagree with it because of it's arrangement, but if you take that away, what's left is a very simple, very awesome classic rock song.

Yea, it kind of plays off the line in Breakdown when Axl sings "You aint got no woman better get back out and find her."

"You're the only one I have ever loved that has ever loved me"

That is really profound even in its simplicity. I had teenage crushes I mistook for love. I had some girlfriends I thought I loved who I felt used by, and didn't feel they loved me as I did them. My wife is different. I feel her love. I feel it and my love for her is... I don't really have the words for. My love for my daughters and the love I get from them is also just boundless. There is nothing like loving someone who also loves you, and you know they do deep down in every fiber of your being. And life is so precious. Goddamn I really love this song. Its still so fucking tripped out for me. It continues to be my go to when I have smoked a bowl. It just moves me. So much goodness going on.

What lingering imagery? It doesn't say any of that anywhere.

-facepalm-    are you a troll, or just ig'nant?

who'd have thought the alien was already here.   :P

that's the imagery suggests itself in the song and resounds after the song finishes like an afterglow or an ember.
or like our dreams and love after the world ends.

you know the expression 'to read between the lines'.  between the lines is space.


If so, maybe what we hear at the am radio bit is the drift of dreams from a varnished planet, comes and goes as a meteor.
the stars we see every nite are many million light years away from us. many of them are no more.  :'( still we are seeing them.


constructive.  :)   

bono would go 'Save the world!'

yeah the arrangement is far from classic rock....but let's face it, it's a stand-out track BECAUSE there's fuck-all-else that sounds like it.



are our dreams really our own?  or the memories of a world long-ended..?  if energy such as light can go on for so long, surely the hopes and dreams we put our very souls into can do the same.

i love this song. its amazing.

its paradoxical that a song about the world ending has a such a sense of freedom about it but that's axl for you. :) there's a joyful feeling of liberation about the song that i really dig.

-ball punch-  niether I just hate crappy lyrics. 

Why don't you show us the lyrics the way you think they should be?

Since you know what crappy lyrics are, it should be easy for you to come up with something non-crappy.



/jarmo

I was actually trying to talk about this shit and get into a real discussion about it.  Not bashing, not just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, but having an actual discussion.  People are throwing gigantic ideas around from this song, and I just have no idea where they're getting them from.  But rather than explain this shit, I get called a fucking troll.  So many apologies, I guess, but I've got to defend myself.

anyway it's one of my favorite songs on the album and I was expressing disappointment in it.  And you want to know what I think are good lyrics? Better, TWAT, Right Next Door to Hell, Estranged, and Prostitute.  All of them show Axl can write great shit.

I love the heavy guitar sound in this song.  :)

so was I. no need to call what we appreciate crappy or cringe worthy.
so you really could not make sense out of my post?  ???

Good poems leave space for us to appreciate the subtle overtones of them. I consider such lyrics deep.

i know you were, my problem came from the dude who called me a troll.  you and I were getting somewhere... kinda.  I still disagree that these are great lyrics, and I'd counter your argument by saying that although it's true there is always space in all of the great poems, too much space is dangerous in that the meaning will be lost.

Right next Door To Hell has great lyrics?

Totally dude, they're fierce, cutting and Axl holds nothing back.

I know I love the lyrics in that song.

she was just asking because the way you replayed to the post was quite strange, i reckon.

anyway,
with if the world, I think the 'dangerous' space allows us to use our own imagination freely.  That works superb with the instrumentals.
like rabia said there's a joyful feeling of liberation about the song.

i understand you're not used to it but try give your fancy free play in space.
You needn't get the same imagery to the next person.

I think it does

I like them (I dig the line with Freud). Its that I think with ITW its really more of an overall experience. I hate the thought that other fans aren't feeling this type of journey. I still dig the sleaze rock of a RNDTH but, I love IFW for where it takes me. I would get drunk to a track like RNDTH but I wouldn't still trip to it. ITW on the other hand...

A big part of that isn't just the tripped out music its Axl. What he is saying and how he is singing it connects with me.... almost visually. Not necessarily seeing through the mind's eye but... eh, I guess either you get it or you don't.

To me, like Walter Sobchak would say, "The beauty of If The World, Dude, is the simplicity."  It's a beautiful track and the lyrics are very, very simple but very effective

But I'd still say Right Next Door To Hell has better lyrics

"I'll take a nicotine, caffeine, sugar fix
Jesus don't you get tired of turning tricks
And when your innocence dies you'll find the blues
Seems all our heroes were born to lose
Just through town you believe scene
Another empty house, another dead end street
Gonna sit my bones, sit for a spell..........

My momma never really said much to me
She was much to young and scared to be, hell
Freud might say that's what I need
But all I really ever get is greed
And most my friends, they feel the same
Hell we don't even have ourselves to blame......

Not bad kids just stupid ones
Yeah we thought we'd own the world
An gettin' used was havin' fun
I said we're not sad kids just lucid ones yeah
Flowin' through life not collectin' anyone

I prefer ITW lyrics way more ... way ... but it is really subjective I guess  :)





-velimir

This is one of those songs that could have never been done in the old days.    Stuff like this took me pleasantly by surprise as I was hoping to see Guns and Axl take things in directions they hadn't previously.   

It also really makes me appreciate what Chris Pitman brings to the band.

completely agree, that's one of the main reasons why this who album kicks so much ass.

I Iike this song a lot.  Its just has this whole James Bond or Jason Bourne vibe to it too.  Like I could see them in the begining of the movie on a boat cruising on a mission or something.  I like the guitar solo in the song too..

Too much of Apple and orange aren't they? try and imagine these words set to if the world music and vice versa.
better comparison could be?scraped? Sorry? I donno.

these are eloquent, clever in the rhetoric, confrontational touching on profound issues,  etc but you can't say they are lyrical or poetic like if the world, can you?

"If the world would end today
All the dreams we had
Would all just drift away
You know there's nothing more to say
If the world would end
And our love slipped away

I never knew the way that you looked at me
Would ever mean so much to me
But in my heart I found
The feelin's that I've never shown
And now they've
Got the best of me"

See the contrast between the first verse and the second. the long shot and the close up in turn.

For it's lyricizm and grandeur, if the world has better lyrics. Walter Sobchak would say, "Dude, it's pathos."

Nice way too put this ppbebe.

This is what I have been taking with Chinese Democracy as a whole. The themes are so much bigger.

Its the Watchmen of music.

I'd like to hear faith no more interpret this song :smoking:

Prior to the release of CD, Axl spoke of wanting to bring a few friends of his with him into the 21st Century.

If The World, reflects this sentiment.

It is about a promise made long ago, of shared dreams, of a mutual love of music.

This world is not over.

The song has the essence of Brotherhood and Sisterhood. All for one and one for all.

Don't You Try and Stop Us Now (oh, that's Scraped)  :hihi:

"Right next Door To Hell has great lyrics? "

Yes it does....What I like about them is how they are autobiographical to a point..Like much of AFD..I believe RND2H is in reference to Axl's former condo neighbor and stardom..
Here are a few of the great lines:But when your innocence dies
You'll find the blues
Seems all our heroes were born to lose
Just walkin' through time
You believe this heat
Another empty house another dead end street
Gonna rest my bones an sit for a spell
This side of heaven this close to Hell

But times are hard and thrills are cheaper
As your arms get shorter
Your pockets get deeper

So much out there
Still so much to see
Time's too much to handle
Time's too much for me
It drives me up the walls
Drives me out of my mind
Can you tell me what this means...huh?

It's a very under rated and forgotten song..

Body of Lies is out on glittering BLU-RAY  8)

Check out a review here: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=3203&show=review

Props to the audio (in general) and some people might wanna blast that movie towards the credits...  ;)

I'm buying that disc on release day just for ITW

I'm sorry If the World is not enough for you lyrically.
Its meant to be a catchy upbeat love song.

I find it personally refreshing. Its better to just enjoy a song sometimes than pick Axl's brain in his lyric writing (which I'm as guilty as everybody else on this board sometimes). Its even got that elevator music sound in the song, so it fits in everywhere at any time.

I still think it goes best with the end of Fight Club.

MNW

Very nice description!  :)

I was watching my BODY OF LIES DVD today and it hit me. IF THE WORLD should have been nominated for an Academy Award along with Bruce Sprinsteen's song from THE WRESTLER. Why did they only have 3 songs in the category this year? I'm not too impressed with the songs that they did nominate.

Was that Springsteen song on the movie soundtrack?  Not sure if that's a requirement, but If The World wasn't on the soundtrack, only played during the credits, and not even in full.

I can't enjoy this song anymore after I started to think those little electronic sound effects or whatever is playing in the backround sounded like someone farting.

Huh?   :nervous:

Okay, moving on. It occured to me that Axl might be singing to all of us. When I say all of us, I mean the ones who are his true fans who have stuck by him through all the fucking shit, and continue to dig the fuck out of him and his music.

We are the "They" and the "You" is each one of us fans.

... or maybe I just had a little too much medicine before listening today.

That is possible.

through the entire album. :yes:


I think that's also an apt approach to the song  :yes: for we're in the GNR world of love and dreams.

this is one of the best songs on the album axl's voice is amazing in it and the guitar work is astounding.

To me it's a very sexual song with an Arabic sound to it and it's like travelling into a tent in the sahara...

It's actually a great film too if anyone hasn't seen it already.

I watched a DVD of it recently and got excited all over again hearing the song at the end.

Your thought has always intrigue me.   :-*

The Arabic guitars show me a scenery of a boundless barren land and a lonely moon. Guess I'm not sexy.

I love it when the guitar comes in with that mean riff !

Haha, magic carpets.

IMO, the accoustic guitars are more spanish then something else.

The accoustic guitars are nothing else but a spanish ones. Great song though.

Yes, the heavy guitars are great!

I was referring to the tune. As A in jimmy page's "CIA" tuning (Celtic, Indian and Arabic.)
Didn't Arabic music have heavy influence on Spanish via moors?

Arabic music influenced flamenco.

If the World is pretty sexy.

guess it's sexy for sexy people.
and poetic for dreamy people.


and so did it other Spanish folk music as well as some opera, rock and so on.

are you implying the guitar's precisely flamenco?

Not sure if it's precisely flamenco. I'm pretty ignorant about guitar styles. It sounds similar to flamenco.

I like the accoustic guitars...

to me as well  :yes: and unsure of what style it exactly is. Where are all our guitar specialists from Spain or the Mideast?

Gypsies have drifted about.

Guitars on the song are very much Spanish influenced.

I think the best word to refer this song it is "Interesting".

To the guys questioning if this is flamenco playing or not.....no, it's not flamenco, it just sounds a bit like it here and there. It's more fusion jazzy rock played on an electro spanish/classical guitar.

I like Bucket's work on this, ace.

And yeah, take away Arabic music and you have no flamenco --> no development of acoustic guitar --> etc.

I like "incredible" "great" "awesome"

http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=G0200903005

DUBLIN (CAP) - As U2 prepares to launch its latest world tour, lead singer Bono says he's done with philanthropy and will now spend his spare time "looking out for No. 1."
"I'm done saving the world," said the U2 frontman this week. "I'm a rock star and I'm going to start living like one. The third world can reduce its own bleedin' debt."...
...Meanwhile, Guns 'N Roses frontman Axl Rose has announced his intention to end world hunger by 2012.


hehe :hihi:

Bono is such a joke.

This song is addictive, I can't get enough of it, it's like crack.
The rhythm, bass and heavy guitars towards the very end... :drool:

I saw this article the other day and I was like  :o ! we aren't alone.

http://gizmodo.com/5238308/get-ready-humanity-because-space-is-a-freak-show

"The WOW! Signal. Or, Holy Crap, Alien Avon Calling!

Before Jodie Foster implored humanity to send poets to document the denizens of Vega, there was a real-life signal from the heavens that has, to date, remained one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that we are not alone.
Called the WOW! signal, this 72-second beacon was detected by Dr. Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977..."

 the WOW! signal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSWDzd2cDU&feature=related fyi

"So, was it aliens? If we get off this rock and jet off into the stars, will we one day find the source of this mysterious signal? Who knows, as subsequent attempts made over the past 20 years to locate the Wow! signal, or another one like it, have failed. Even when more powerful systems were implemented, like the Hollywood-friendly Very Large Array in New Mexico, the results were all the same: Utter silence.

If you'll yourself a bit of wishful thinking, however, the idea that this was some kind of powerful last-ditch burst of radiation from a dying alien race is not implausible. As detailed by author and astronomer David Darling, the Wow! signal could have been generated by an alien civilization with access to a transmitting dish like our Arecibo radio telescope. They'd also need a 2.2-gigawatt transmitter?extremely powerful, but plausible for humans (and definitely plausible if your race is, say, facing extinction)."
er mewl

I was just curious as to who decided to put this song in Body Of Lies. I loved the movie, but it was a huge commercial flop. Americans don't want to see movies about Iraq. The Hurt Locker may have won best picture, but it made very little money. A GNR song needs to be in a movie with a more youth oriented market that will be a mega-blockbuster like IronMan2 or Avatar2. That's how an artist gets buzz in the industry these days to get airplay on the radio. Estranged would have been a great choice for Shutter Island. :yes:

Yep. As we were packing up band practice last night, I threw the CD vinyl on and was really rocking out to ITW. The groove is SOOOOOO infectious.

Yeah, unfortunately the last two films GNR has had NEW songs in haven't done too well.  Although "Body Of Lies" wasn't as bad as "End Of Days", so maybe the next one they'll strike gold.  The cast was great for "Body Of Lies", but as you said the timing with the subject matter didn't really relate to the public interest.

When I first heard this song, I was in a state of shock. I kept on listening to it the whole summer, and still do. I love the part halfway through the first and second verse, when that sexy guitar riff comes in. In the first verse it's just as Axl says "But in my heart I found, the feelings that I've never shown" and in the second it's when Axl says "But your the only one, I have ever loved that has ever loved me".

A really groovy and sexy song.  :love:


Lee

Yeah, this song and Shackler's were the 2 songs that when I first heard I had a "What the hell is this?" reaction.  It was just so different from what I expected.  But both songs grew on me quickly, and I love how different they are.

See, so many people disagree with me, but I really dislike this song,
I don't even think it's meant to be anything serious, sorry if this has already been mentioned (but I'm far too lazy to read through everything, I know I'm horrible) I'm sure I watched a video of Axl describing it as a pisstake song, of what he came up with if he were asked to write a cheesy theme tune for a James Bond movie?

I'm sure he wouldn't bother playing it at every show, considering how hard it is to sing, if he didn't actually like the song.

I wasn't saying he didn't like it.
I'm just sure I've seen somethin before where he describes it as what he would have written for a cheesy James Bond film, which is really funny, because it would make an excellent James Bond theme tune. Y'know, the opening credits with all the naked ladieees.

I'm pretty sure he was only joking about people who said the lyrics were stupid. Not only the song is a major hit live (and indeed rocks hard!), but it was also one of the first tracks to come up officially (in the Body of Lies ending credits), so I don't think the band wrote just a "pisstake song".

I like chinese democracy a lot...Every fuckin day i listen this amazing rock album...But only one song which i don't like is IF THE WORLD :-\

I think at this point after so long - I've got certain songs that I may like a little more or a little less than originally thought..but this one has not changed for me, to be honest

I dig the groove, I love how tight and clear the recording sounds and I'm pretty sure it is one of the better vocal recordings he's laid down

Definite highlight on the album

Meh...everyone to their own
I like every track on the album except for this one.
Don't like the music, don't like the lyrics.

I think this song would have been great in a James Bond movie.

it sure will

Fuck you If The World haters. F U and Fuck You. This song is trippy as fuck and continues to this very day to be my main go to track when I am stoned. It is a fucking gift from Axl. I have always dreamt that one fucking day Axl would sing fucking tripped out, almost Beatles style, on a groovy ass song. This song is dreamy. Goddamn I hate some of you. There is nothing subjective about this. If you don't like it, you are a fucking square and you need to feed your mind. I listen to this song and the only thing I want to say to Axl is, thank you.

Jesus, take a Valium.

you're the most hateful and aggressive stoner i've ever seen

go smoke a joint and listen to the song instead, that just might be my friday night plans

What ... is it still April fools day? Yea that must be it.

I sure hope so. Otherwise, there would be no explanation for describing a song as "dreamy."  :)

Hahaaa, that is a good one. Damn that does sound kind of gay to use the word "dreamy" (not that there is anything wrong with that).

I wouldn't call him an angry stoner, but a full supporter of GNR and If The World with no other bullshit allowed, isn't that right Buddha?

I honestly don't know how any GN'R fan can not like If The World. I feel this song showcases Axl's amazing vocal range more than most. I love the vibe and feel to the music, and Axl's vocals speak for themself, superb.  :)

Yes, exactly. Thank you. To be truthful, I wasn't stoned when I did the post that labeled me as an angry Stoner. Today, If The World got the much playtime. It was the Anthem to 4/20... and deservedly so. I hope everyones 420 was a fun one.

On a side note, my bro just got a new car and we wanted to test out its sound system. If The World is a perfect song to test out a sound system. There is so many things happening in the song that a good system can really bring out. And my science the sub woofer does this song justice. This song is Top Dog. Still.

I couldn't stand this song until I heard it live and now it kicks ass with Axl's old sounding voice.

Good to hear you have a positive change of opinion, "now that's what I'm talkin about"!

someone who knows how to do shit should do a dubstep remix of if the world, that could be fucking amazing if done right

This is one of the songs i liked the final version better, because of the power and the sound effects put into the drums and bass. Its awesome, makes me remind a bit of Faith no more and Led Zeppelin mixed.

Took a few listens, now it's 1 of my favorites..

This song is such a fun song, with a serious underlining message.

It's also a song that I can instantly think of a video idea for. What I'm thinking is lots of space and nuclear shots, with maybe snippets of 2 lovers in a natured setting. Sort of like a romantic galactic feel, a really nice concept, and the music fits the lyrics perfectly.

And the message in this song I feel is to enjoy life to it's fullest and to follow your dreams, as lifes too short.  :)

I actually did really like this song when i first listened to CD, but after hearing it live i fucking love it! The live version is much heavier, and now when  i listen to the studio version i crank it up more than i used to and kinda picture what i heard in concert. Great fuckin song. A lot of non-GnR fans i've plyed "Chinese Democracy" for really seem to dig this song. Especially if they're stoned. Definitely one of the better stoner songs on the cd :smoking:

fuckin ehh man ,agreed. same here --100%

twat and itw are easily :) my favorites on cd for that occasion


oh and sorry!!

Riad N' The Bedouins, good Sir, Riad N' The Bedouins :smoking:

I really like the sound of Axl's voice in this song. One of the highlights in Chinese Democracy.. I really dig the new straight rock edit/remix too.  8)

Could someone tell me whos playing the guitar in If the world , the acoustic one that sounds a bit like the one Slash used to play at the end of Double talkin jive , i always thought Bucket but just had another look in the CD booklet it says Buckethead acoustic guitar Chris Pitman 12 string guitar,  so thats got me wondering which is which? if it is Bucket then what is the 12 string guitar parts in ITW.
Any guitarists out there care to explain please

This took a few listens for me tappreciate, but after a couple o' days it became a favorite!!
N' I don't get stoned!

The 12-string guitar is the repetiive riff (the first thing to be heard in the intro).

The flamenco-style accoustic (including the little solos) is Buckethead's work.

thanks for that

ITW continues to be the most played song of CD for me. I am literally obsessed with it. I get high I listen to ITW. Its my number 1 go to song. Jesus Chinese Democracy is seriously great shit.