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...in a setlist? I'm not suggesting that it doesn't, rather, between what two songs would YOU sandwich 'Shackler's Revenge?'

I think it would work well after 'Welcome to the Jungle' and perhaps be a good segue into 'You Could Be Mine.' Might even work well straight after 'It's So Easy' too.

Well it depends on how much the setlist would change in terms of addition of new songs, what old songs they would still play and the running order..

But I'd probably say this would fit maybe 2nd or 3rd in a live setlist.

If "Chinese Democracy" was to become an opener, this would work great as the 2nd song

not sure how well 2 new songs would fit in as set openers.. Is CD still a new song? We've been hearing it since 01/01/01..

I mean after the album comes out. When people really hear the songs as they are meant to be heard. Apart from a few files floating around the internet, most people would have only heard these songs at the live shows for the first time so they haven't really had proper exposure.

I can't see them opening up with anything else BUT 'Chinese Democracy' if/when the album's release and promotional tour are finally realized. Certainly seems like it will be the opening track on the album with that intro, but who knows.

As for the type of setlist, I'm really not speaking of number of songs, new or old, etc...more of what two songs would flow well into and out of 'Shackler's.'

Would be a great opener for the encore

Shackler's Revenge could be the opener perfectly. It's a very aggresive song, incredibly catchy, and it could be inmediatly followed (because of the way it ends, in an abrupt silence) by Chinese Democracy's introduction.

I would love to put into the paper can all those old songs that were always after jungle, I mean ISE, MB, LALD, KOHD and replace them all by the new songs (with the exception of jungle)

Shackler's > Democracy > Rhiad > Better > jungle.

After that begining, if the crowd is still alive, they can go on with some calm old/new ballads.

I dont know if i'm too excited or what, but after hearing all the new songs I find the old ones... ?boring?... dont know...

I am the same.
I wouldn't say its boring..but I'm very excited about the new songs and the new band. Been listening to them alot more than older ones though.
I know GNR is ultimately Axl, but with new band members and a new album forthcoming I would hope we get some more recognition towards the new band members, and on tour, we hear more new songs than old songs.

SHACKLER'S WOULD GO NICELY AFTER MADAGASCAR, I THINK

the middle of the set or during the encore

w/ the deep base vocal in the beggining I would say it's a great way to start the encores..PC is a great closer...

shackler for the encore!

CD will be  a future opener i think, but imo its the poorest of the songs we know. I think axl is kinda tied into the chinese democracy thing, and probably wishes he could just drop that tag and that song.

i rekon its good enough to replace Nightrain for a live gig.........

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Yeah I wouldn't mind a new album title, and really not overly impressed with the song. I mean, it's a rocker, it ain't bad, but normally when you name the album after the title of a song, it's one of the strongest tracks. Plus I kind of like the fact that GNR hasnt name an album after a song in the past.

I'm not sure SR is a song I need to hear at a show. Axl's voice makes the song, and he couldn't replicate it live. Some songs don't need to be played live. I love the song OMG, but heard a live version and it was dreadful.

Agreed.

OMG should never be played live again.

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Nightrain is the one old song that the new band has basically made their own IMHO (Ron, Richard and Robin tear that song up).

If he can make IRS sound badass live,  why not OMG? His voice sounds different now to 2001, he has more fire in his belly. Also Oh My God sounded a bit unprepared when they played it and I agree it didnt sound good.

On my own compilation I have Shacklers after Oh My God, seems to fit ok. Song 5 on my disc :peace:

Good call. And for the record I really hope CD does become the opener. That, or they go back to swapping the opening out more often.

I saw them twice, but they didn't play IRS either show, so I haven't heard it live. I'm sure they could play OMG better than the version I heard, and i agree about his voice, it seems stronger now, but I think it could easily be lost in those songs live(SR and OMG). His voice is buried even in the final mixes. I wouldn't be upset if they played them live, just wouldn't be on my wish list.

If it could be done well, then yes I would like to hear then live. I wasnt that keen on Better until I heard it live, after that I became a fan.

I have heard a version of "Shackler's Revenge" where his voice is much clearer and the overall mix seems more spaced out and clear.  Less compressed if you will.  I wouldn't say his voice is buried in the mix at all there.  And, I think live the mix may vary from show to show from the audience's perspective.  So it may be more buried one night as opposed to the other. 

I think the song could be played most anywhere in the set, except as an opening.

Ali

Yeah, could just be the version I have, I've only heard the one. The chorus is pretty clear, but some parts get a bit muddy.

I like the wild omg live. energetic and groovy.
and yes cd will be a great opener.
richard said cd was most fun to play. that was before 2006/7 tour tho.

shacklers, I don't know it's a revenge song isn't it? maybe in the middle, after a sad song?


me after hearing cd.  :yes: the old songs are classic and good but these new songs are amazing and thrilling.



 

I like Welcome to the Jungle as the opener.  It's a great way to start a show but I guess after seeing the band over and over again I'd get bored...

Just my two cents...

I am not sure Shackler would be an every-night song...certainly not an opener...It will be interesting to see how they pull it off, with all the layered vocals when they do play it.  We will have to wait and see what new material they have to work with...and of course Axl has said he changes things up depending on the crowd...perhaps SR could be a go-to to pump the crowd up, it is hard not to get pulled into that song.

I think SR will be an every-night song.  With this release, the dynamics of the crowd might change drastically.  People who were in their teens or in their 20s when GNR first hit the scene now have kids that age who are being introduced to GNR with this game/song.  SR has become like a new-age "game of catch" that both jock and geek families are bonding over.  So when the band looks into the crowd and sees this, I think they'll feed off that.



I like CD for an opening song.  : ok:

It's pretty strange to think that GNR could end up having 2 completely different fan bases, or I guess they already do to an extent. There are 15 year old that weren't alive the last time they put out an album. Those kids might love the new GNR and think the old stuff sucks, and for us old timers! Sort of reminds me of the Peter Green's version, and the more popular version of Fleetwood Mac. Kind of backwards circumstances, but strange to think about. Makes me feel real old!

thought i might get that kind of reaction  :rofl: :rofl:
of course i didnt mean get shut of nightrain all together..... but i rekon shacklers is on a definate par with nightrain in terms of been a kick ass rocker thats gonna work the crowd into a frenzy.......definately need to be at the barriers when they play it..... maybe play it towards the back end, 3 or 4 before paradise just to work the crowd again after the ballads

are you serious? ''Oh My God'' was incredible at RIR, the best performed song by far at that show, and then it was performed just one more time, at HOB 01.01.01 if I'm not wrong.

Oh My God is a killer tune. It even sounds better live. Brain did an amazing job at that song.

You cant say what you said based in just ONE mp3 you've heard. For example, if we have had to judge ''November Rain'' by its first performance, now we would all agree that NR sucks...

it will when the whole house sing along.
Most of us and RB players and their friends are already singing it by heart, I betcha. : ok:

I did say that I'm sure they could play OMG better than the version I heard. I also said I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if they played it live, but it wouldn't be on my wish list. I have the original demo of November rain and it never sounded that bad. OMG is a good song, but it's not on par with November rain. A lot has to go wrong for November rain to sound bad. For instance Axl's voice could be off that night, but Slash and co.(in those days) could save the song. If Axl is off playing OMG, then it's gonna be harder to overcome, because his voice and lyrics drive that song. It may differ from your opinion, but yes, I'm serious.

On a side note, I can hear the guys that work downstairs from me humming Patience...good stuff.

HELL HELL  HELL HELL HECK  HELL NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I dont know about in a setlist, but if i were to put Chinese Democracy together, my track listing would look something like this:

1. Chinese Democracy
2. Oh My God
3. Better
4. The Blues
5. There Was A Time
6. Rhiad and the Bedouins
7. IRS
8. Catcher in the Rye
9. Prostitute
10. Madagascar
11. Shackler's Revenge
12. If The World

And yeah, i know not all these titles are called official on the album and some of the titles might not even be right, but im sure you guys get the idea here.

i like it between slower songs. after november rain ,  before madagascar.

albumwise (without hearing any yet-to-surface songs) i say:

1. Chinese Democracy
2. The Blues
3. Better
4. TWAT
5.Shackler's
6. Madagascar

..and so on

I say u have to open with it and start doing a power encore of WTTJ and PC.

It would also sound very fucking awesome after Nightrain and before YCBM I agree with that.

like fuck no dude don't even say that shit :no: >:(




btw i say sandwhich it between Silkworms and a new tune  :yes:

ARE YOU FICKING KIDDING ME? THERES NO WAY THEY COULD REPLACE NIGHTRAIN. BEST SONG IN THE SETLIST...

almost forgot...

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yea if they put Silkworms and SR next to each other in the set I can have a decent amount of time to go and get a drink without missing anything

try reading my other post..............i replied to the other HELL NOOOOOOOOOOO'S

I played rhiad(live), and shackers immediately after, that sounded good.

I would like to GN'R to hit the road again. Just that.

I don't care if Shackler's Revenge is played or not.

Not sure If I want to hear Silkworms alive again... weakest tune from the material we've heard since 99 IMO... prefer another new song or even old stuff or a cover instead that...

Yeah I'm not impressed with Silkworms at all. Shackler's is great though. Wouldn't like it as an opener though...WTTJ works great first. Shackler's would sound good after Dead Horse and before Better

Silkworms is something of a joke to me. I like Shacker's Revenge but I don't think it fits anywhere other than after Better or Oh My God but that's irrelevant as the latter is hardly played live, if ever.

AFTER the album 'Chinese Democracy' should be the opening song. Shacklers would be GREAT after it. Follow that with Better, then Madagascar or There Was A Time.

Who knows though, once the album drops there will be a nice selection I guess.

The Jungle is the perfect song for an opener. Anyway, I see Shackler right after Brownstone. Jungle, Brownstone, Shackler, It's So Easy, Better.