Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Saw this at gnrevolution.com

http://www.chopaway.com/evolution/release_list_screen.jpg

Could be fake but lets see. Mysteron? ;)

Here's why I would be skeptical:

Typically, when I've seen release schedules (which admittedly isn't often) ,especially those meant for in house, they refer to the release within the fiscal year/quarter, NOT the calender year/quarter. That's true for games, music, and movies, that I've seen.  So the question would be, is this an in house release schedule (it looks like it, by the way they report on the line account Geffen would use) or something from a trade show/exhibition/retailers event.

That doesn't mean it's bunk, but it something that would make me wonder.

I have never seen it before.

I have the release schedule for Universal up until 28th October (Bo Diddley, Bobby Brown released) and Guns are not listed. Guns are also not listed on Universal's database for CD or anything CD related.

Could it be Universal is keeping it off the release schedule due to being a exclusive at either Best Buy or Walmart ?

yeah, that or could Gn'R be added to the list anytime soon? Otherwise, no CD in '08 :'(

Well thanks, I guess it is killed!

forecast...
If true  hope it's not another re release.

oh, wait. Mysteron said 28th OCTOBER, not december. I thought he said 28th december... :P

52 tuesdays still left for next year........... :)

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 ;D could u imagin!

Collecting release schedules a hobby of yours

or are you looking for something?!   ;D

Let's not overthink this.  CD doesn't have a release date yet.  That's why it's not on any schedule.  And if it doesn't come out in '08 that should surprise absolutely no one.

Well it could be a hobby, but also a good thing u can look ahead wich artist are bringing out goog music.
you can watch your outgoing money on it so u could buy something that is released in oct. but u already know about since may or something like that.

But I hope it's true but to say..

GNR has been on such a list before... like almost each year Univseral just puts em on it's no big deal unless it's coming out..
but I think we should take it with a grain of salt until something better comes out.

How in the world would someone get a hold of something like that - and then post it online... unless it was self-made and... well, fake?

the list isnt fake due some are actualy coming out on the dates posted on the list. but GNR has always been on that list.. at least more then once or twice...

The another times CD was on that list(i havent seen it before) the album wasnt finished.

in 2005 it was almost done remember. Tommy Said so!. and hes the bassplayer :rofl:   And Dizzy said it!. Richard,  so I think it realy was almost done in 2005 but then it didn't work out.

and same story for 2004(wich is a part of bucket)... but don't blame him for all the things we dont have

I wonder how much work, on an average day, between the band, management, record company, etc. goes into getting CD ready for release.  Are negotiations still being worked out?  How many revisions of the contract have there been?  Because if everyone focused on getting this thing done we certainly should have CD in our hands by say, March 2009, no?  I mean, thats 2 years since Axl gave us a tentitive release date.  Surely if all stakeholders have a genuine interest in releasing this thing 'soon' then we shouldn't have much longer to wait, right?  

It would be nice to get an official update, even if they can't give us a specific date, just to let us know that they are working hard.  Can you imagine if Axl had a blog?  That would be phenominal.  Maybe then people would understand him and these 14 years a little better.  Not saying he or anyone else owes us anything...but it sure would be nice to know whether we should expect CD in the near future because whether I'm crazy or not, I do go on here everyday with a glimmer of hope that I'll find some really big news.  The release of Shackler's Revenge on RB2 certainly leads me to believe that CD will 'soon' follow...but the lack of additional promotion or information from GN'R has me dissappointed that I may be waiting a lot longer then March 2009.

You need an update to hear that?



March 2009?

How did you figure that one out..




/jarmo

has it? I haven't ever seen GNR on a uni schedule. actually I don't think I've seen any real list.


for Bo Diddley(RIP) and Bobby Brown obviously.  :P

Man I have so much faith in this band and just hearing what Mysteron said " makes me wanna take a break from the band for awhile"

With the release of SR, it is strange to hear of no new news or promotion for the album release. If the CD was "on the schedule" you would think it would be a bit more PR out there.

Jarmo - do you feel like they've been consistently working hard on releasing this thing?  Personally I have to imagine that months at a time go by with nothing being done.  And thats dissappointing.  So yeah, it would be nice to understand why things have taken so long.  And I'm not even necessarly referring to the many years since new material was last released...just this window since Axl thought he could release CD until now.  And thats where I got March 2009 in my head...its 6 months from now and 2 years since Axl made his tentitive release statement.  Its a date which if was announced today, I would think was still reasonable. 

You wanted an update about them working hard.

So when you didn't get one you assume nothing is done?





/jarmo

What?

GnR the last year have been working hard on getting this album out.  Maybe a list shouldn't spoil a release for 2008.

Jarmo - do you feel like they've been consistently working hard on releasing this thing?  Personally I have to imagine that months at a time go by with nothing being done.  And thats dissappointing.  So yeah, it would be nice to understand why things have taken so long.  And I'm not even necessarly referring to the many years since new material was last released...just this window since Axl thought he could release CD until now.  And thats where I got March 2009 in my head...its 6 months from now and 2 years since Axl made his tentitive release statement.  Its a date which if was announced today, I would think was still reasonable.


I wouldn't worry about why it's taking so long, because really, what reason could they possibly give you that will make you say, "oh, right, I can see why it would take 14 years to make this record. It all makes sense now!".

I can't think of anything. Unless the band slipped into a coma for 12 years or so...

Maybe if GNR released CD, AIG wouldn't need a 85 billion in aid.  Or if CD gets released the economy will come back.  I very much doubt releasing a record would prevent those things, so it's safe to say no one is really going to depend on a GNR CD to change their life.  Just enjoy the new tune, and go see them live if they tour

God, I hope this is real.  At this point, there really is no excuse for this album to not be released in '08.  : ok:

So someone posts that allegedly the album is scheduled to be released later this year and a few of you go into your usual "why is it taking so long" mode.....

AMAZING!

Congratulations!

You really are special.  : ok:



/jarmo

You act as if that is such an unreasonable question.  15 years is a long time.  I hope the date is real but I will not believe it until I have CD in hand.

Jarmo, why do you run a GNR board if you don't like to hear anyone's opinion? There is very rarely any GNR news, so all there is to do is to speculate about the new album and rehash the the past. It is pretty pathetic to say the least that an album could possibly take 15 years to create. That isn't an opinion, that's a fact. Whether it's GNR's fault, or management's, or Elvis's, it's pretty strange. The longer it takes, the more bizarre it becomes, so people are going to talk about it on a GNR board. The people that care anyway. At the rate this album is taking, there may not be many left when it does come out.

Jarmo is the "special" one, not us.  Even though he has devoted a significant part of his last 11 or so years to GN'R and this website, he has never felt frustrated about the lack of information or new material from GN'R.  He hasn't even been tempted to listen to the leaks.  Now that is special and I'm being sincere when I say it.

Well basically I don't think it's none of our business how others decide to use their time....

Axl could give an accurate explanation of the whole process tomorrow and still, you probably would only say "but it took too long!".


I don't need some kind of assurance that they're working hard on getting the album out because I'm sure they're doing what they can.

This all comes down to the whole "owing" thing. If you feel like you're owed stuff, I guess you'd feel differently.






Ever since you've started posting, the majority of messages have been negative.

Maybe I could've had some fucking sympathy for you in 2003 or 2005 or something.

We just had a new song out in Rock Band 2 and you're acting like nothing has happened. Unbelievably predictable.


You're right, I don't need to hear somebody whining about almost everything. It doesn't interest me at all.

Save it for your Festivus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus#Airing_of_Grievances) celebrations.  : ok:



It's bizarre for people to decide what's right for them?




Here's your thread: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49910.0

Some of you can go post and stay there until you have something new to say.




/jarmo

GNR4L

Yeah I'm sure they do, but it is a GNR board, and like I've said, GNR hasn't really given the fans much to cheer about the last 15 years. I'm not saying it isn't annoying to hear people complain sometimes, but you kind of have to expect that when you are reading a fan site of a band that has been working on the most anticipated, expensive album of all time. There are gonna be some restless fans.

I definitely heard a "few" cheers in 2006 and 2007 at the gigs I attended.




/jarmo

Festivus. Its a festivus for the restofus. Thats hilarious.  :rofl: : ok:

Hopefully this rumor pans out to be true. I am really excited with what's going on in Guns right now. And Jarmo is right, its not 2003 or 2005 when absolutely nothing was going on in the world of guns. That was a depressing time. This a very exciting time.  : ok: :smoking:

To say it shouldn't matter to us, the fans, how a band uses its time is to ignore the whole symbionic relationship between band and fans.

GnR has one of the greatest managers in the game Azoff he's gonna get the CD out don't worry, I take back what I said earlier about taking a break from the band.  Shacklers Revenge is the start of Chinese Democracy ! it may not be a single but they released the song on the game.  Why you ask ? cause nobody listens to the Radio anymore ! Sirius destroyed FM radio ! in fact they can get a larger fanbase cause millions of people buy Rockband.  Its the first step Guns N' Roses don't half to update there site about Shacklers being released cause basically the game is promoting it itself.  Gritty get that Dr.Pepper ready your gonna be thirsty after singing all those songs your gonna hear off of Chinese Democracy.

I definitely heard a "few" cheers in 2006 and 2007 at the gigs I attended.




/jarmo



Yes, and I was one of the loudest I can assure you, but that's not what this thread was about. I have to give it to you, being GNR SuperFan #1 could be a tough job, but you are incredibly patient, but you have to understand, not everyone was born with that trait. You are a bit of a freak in that regard(that's a compliment).

I've got some Gin for that tonic fellas...!

GnR has one of the greatest managers in the game Azoff he's gonna get the CD out don't worry, I take back what I said earlier about taking a break from the band.  Shacklers Revenge is the start of Chinese Democracy ! it may not be a single but they released the song on the game.  Why you ask ? cause nobody listens to the Radio anymore ! Sirius destroyed FM radio ! in fact they can get a larger fanbase cause millions of people buy Rockband.  Its the first step Guns N' Roses don't half to update there site about Shacklers being released cause basically the game is promoting it itself.  Gritty get that Dr.Pepper ready your gonna be thirsty after singing all those songs your gonna hear off of Chinese Democracy.


I love me some Dr Pepper and GNR! But I have a feeling when this CD does come out, whiskey and beer will be in the cards.

not mixed of course, that would be weird

It's not pathetic really.

A good spaghetti bolognese takes three times longer to cook than the usual one people eat.

If Axl can stick to his 'Guns' and release the material he wants the way he wants it, then that is great. We live one life, let people do what they want to do.

Musicians create music. Somebody likes it and becomes a fan. Some just enjoy the music but don't turn into a fan.

You buy the album, you get to hear the music and hopefully the musicians get their share of the money.

You buy the ticket, you get to see a show. Once again, hopefully the musicians get paid too.

And so on.


It kinda stops there. Whatever the musicians do with they earned money isn't really the point.

Some of you seem to think "well, we gave them the opportunity to live in big houses and so on".

Well lots of professionals do. Do you think a doctor owes you because he's successful and makes money?



"I've been a fan forever, they owe us..." seems to be a general misconception among certain people.





/jarmo

Mix it with Dr Pepper  :beer:

Yawn.

Would some people be happier if GNR put out a statement saying they will not put out any more CD's, but they ll continue to tour.  Instead of hearing CD will be out soon ?  Either way people will take a lose/lose attitude.  

Let me ask you this Jarmo.

If CD doesn't come out in 2008, will you at least then give people who are frustrated some benefit of the doubt?


People always suffer on here from getting too excited and by getting their hopes way up. Everyone thought Shackler's was the first single and figured it would be released in concert with the video game *makes sense*

Now there have been zero announcements and zero single release, people are getting back those old feelings of past years.

Realistically, if CD is coming out in 2008, something has to start happening pretty damn soon for that to happen.

Some bands interact with their fans, some don't.  Oh well I don't care if they don't update there site unless they have something to say which has been more often.  

thats exactly it...I think that explains most of the "bitching and moaning" that we see on this site and on others.  GNR already gave us several AMAZING albums, so you think people would be happy with that.  I'm just happy that a new album is in the works, it seems like some people here are pissed that Axl hasnt personally dropped the new album off at their house AND cooked them dinner....

Thread 4,392 that's turned into nothing more than a bitch fest.

So. A release date list eh? Interesting. It'll be even more interesting to find out the validity of the list, and what happens after that.

Interesting indeed.

Now close the thread.

Totally agree with you there Jarmo. I get so fucking tired of people who think bands owe them something. the funny thing is you can't argue with them. they don't get the point at all!! lol A jobs a job.
you'll get the cd when they are good and ready to put it out people. Until then put in another cd and injoy. I am a diehard gnr fan and always will be but there is a lot of great music out there. So go out and buy it and injoy. The key there is go out and buy it.

Why?

Because they think they're owed the album? Because they "need" to have it?

People are so hung up on numbers. Like years.

How about just wishing for it to be out when things are fully in place?


I want to hear the album as much as anyone, but it's not like I get upset and login on fan sites to bitch about it.  :P

2008 looks more promising than any previous year, for obvious reasons.





/jarmo

Axl said " he will share his Dr. Pepper with Buckethead" what does that tell ya ! Chinese Democracy is coming out in 2008 ! Shacklers is out if he didn't intend on releasing the album he wouldn't of put the song on Rockband 2.

I heard the same thing just as recently as last week...that they are currently still targeting late Nov/ early Dec release...it was from someone working on the project.
Did I believe it? Yes. Why would anyone involved who chooses to even talk on this touchy subject lie, especially when there was no question asked to begin with.
Did I get excited? No. I've come to realize by now that despite the good intentions in the GN'R camp, 9 out of 10 times things do not work out as planned. So, until they do, there's no point to be overly excited nor sceptical nor stressed about the matter. Things will happen when they happen.

My point is the list is probably legit....as of last week at least, yet we are probably better off worrying about other things at this time.

I think people getting upset doesn't necessarily have to be because of some sort of sense of entitlement.

You said it yourself that this looks to be the most promising year so far and that is why to me, it would be extremely disappointing to not get it this year.

I understand some people go overboard. I'm not going to bitch,complain or any of that but I honestly will say that I'll be disappointed and let down because everything just seems perfectly in place.

The rockband 2, the shear volume of great feedback the leaks got, the fact the recording industry is dying and if Axl doesn't release it soon, Cd's may be obsolete the time he does.

My hangup right now is, if 2008 isn't the right time after all the great publicity and the game, WHEN will be the right time?

Surely if it isn't released this year, we will at least get some sort of statement, not because we are "Owed" but because it is the right thing to do.

He should have followed that statement up with his famous "This is not a lie, a promise, etc..." so the apologists can continue to do their thing.  :hihi:

Apologists?


Let me guess, you're a realist.  :rofl:



All this whining reminds me of this quote from a song released a while ago:

this song is dedicated to all the Guns n' fuckin' Roses fans, who stuck with us through all the fucking shit....





/jarmo

Nah, believe me I hate to be unoptimistic about the release situation.  God knows I'm gonna buy 10 copies just for the hell of it when it's released, just out of sheer excitement as a fan.  Saw the band live in both 02 and 06 and will support them to the end no matter what.  However, that being said, if the planned 08 release fails to produce any results...I think it's safe to say that something aint right.  We'll never know what's preventing a release. But if this fall comes and goes with no news of the album, something, well...strange has got to be preventing it's release.

Shackler's Revenge sounds great and I'm way psyched that Guns has put out a new tune.  BUT...I think we all know that real payoff for both the fans and the band is the release of Chinese Democracy.  Being a tad jaded after everything we've been through does not make ANYONE any less of a fan.

After looking at the list I believe its real ! if you look in the past and all those artist who released a album they all did.  Eminem is on the schedule for Dec and MTV news has a article on it and it says you will be seeing him real soon.  EVERYONE QUIT COMPLAINING THE ALBUM WILL BE OUT THIS YEAR.

That's the spirit.  : ok:




/jarmo

They should wait until Rock Band 2 is out in the PAL region when everybody else can play the new song...

Why does a September forecast list include previous releases?

Why is called "major releases releases".  Did they have a spare "releases" around and decide to throw it in here?

Why would a forecast list not include any known dates?

Why did they use such a poor version of the logo into the top left corner? Do they not create these on a recurring basis?  Would they not have professional corporate templates?

we've looked into the source of the file and double checked with another source who is close to universal and both point to a 4th quarter release for gnr at this time....which i believe is nov 08 - feb 09 but that being said ... its not like things havent changed before, but it appears the promised land may finally be near

and we also have 2 sources claiming that geffen is going to be the label...one being universal canada the other being this list

buckle up this may start to get interesting  8) if not we keep waiting  :-\

Q= quarter.  so Q4 is Oct/Nov/Dec assuming a calendar year.   Some organizations use a year starting April 1, so in that case Q4 would be Jan/Feb/Mar.   But it would not be both.   

This seems like good news.  I don't see why it's so hard to believe that this would be the plan.  If that plan can be executed, well that remains to be seen.  I have no idea what the accuracy percentage a major record labels forecasted releases is?  I'd assume it's not 100%, so while it's possible the Nov. 25th rumor just may come true, I'd wait to pop the cork on the champagne until we hear definite word.  Things are closer than they ever have been though, so that's cause for celebration alone.

Good point, anyone know which Q4 Universal uses?

Call me a skeptic,  but this list looks waaaayyy phony.  Too many 'friend of a friends' working at Interscope, 'intercepted e-mails', psychic forcasters, etc.  I still believe we will have an album in our hands this year - in spite of the shortage of reliable information.

I will trust a release date when I see it in 'News' section here, or on gunsnroses.com

According to the attachment, Q4 = Oct/Nov/Dec. 

well there ya go but i thought fiscal quarters are broken down like this

Q1 = Mar - May
Q2 = Jun - Aug
Q3 = Sept - Nov
Q4 = Dec - Feb

but the list is obviously created with calender quarters

besides with the 8 weeks rule, if the release date is late november we are still 10 weeks from then so technically we shouldnt even know about this for another 2-3 more weeks

another thing to keep in mind...we were told about htis list 3 days ago but didnt see the excel spreadsheet until this morning..and the list is apparently from late august...since then the papa roach album has already been delayed until february 09 so like i said things can always change...but as of like now we are told that gnr is still on the 4th quarter schedule...how the next few weeks play out is another story and one we'll have to wait and watch it unfold

Wow..I really hope that was sarcasm. Because it may have been the "slowest" thing ever emitted by your fingers.

Thanks.

It means a lot to me to not be like you.  :P


Will it be out in 2006, 2007 or 2008? How about just caring about it being out once it's ready for release? No matter what the year is....




/jarmo

It'll be out in Q5. :)

RollingStone >> Issue 1062 >> October 2, 2008

FALL MUSIC PREVIEW
Legends of the Fall
Some of the season's biggest potential hits are still just rumors.  Will they come out?

Guns n' Roses

WHAT IT IS  You don't know?  Axl Rose has been working on G n' R's comeback disc, Chinese Democracy, since the Nineties.

THE OFFICIAL LINE  No comment whatsoever.  Axl who?

WHAT WE HEAR  Rose hired a high-powered new management team this year, and the Chinese Democracy track "Shackler's Revenge" is on the new Rock Band 2.  A source says the group has reserved a November date - and is in talks with Best Buy for an exclusive release.  That said, don't hold your breath - this is Chinese Democracy we're talking about.

Oh please let this be true..

I'm always looking forward to this album coming out in its own time .. but if it is really not so far away.. wow..

I have to agree with that.  After all these years, to do it any other way...now that would be pathetic.

well... i love GNR and ever will... but.. we need to know facts about humanbehavior when talking about GnR.!

Yeah! We know people have waited lots lots lots of years for new material. We know how hard it is to wait for our favorite artist to release music.
I dont think we always have to blame the fans, because they are humans, and they are reacting the way humans do. I also really do wish Axl could give us a sign..We cant pretend that we dont care about GnR. coz thats why we are here. Thats what most of us do.. I know the Rockband 2 release was a kind of a sign.. but what now? Not everyone plays games like this..

Not saying i loose hope. But i would really like to know more about whats going on..

well idk about the others but flobots cd came out may. i doubt theyll release another a couple months later.  i know some of the others are correct though. So who knows. Only time will tell

edit: also, Eminem, Dr Dre, 50 Cent, all on the same page. all friends with each other. Dont think they would release each others album so close together. most people wait awhile so they dont have to compete with sales.

There seems to be one or more albums of material put together ready for release at the right time, seemingly with input from all band members over the years regardless of changes, so for the moment I don't think we need to be concerned with, for instance, how Robin Finck's commitment to NIN will affect the release of the album itself.

We've heard about all sorts of legal/business/band issues surrounding the release of the album itself.

However, unlike "Oh My God", which was a 'new song' Axl released from a whole lot of music he was working on (going in and out of the studio frequently at that time even during the 01/02 tour), this song has been confirmed as being one of however many songs are on the "Chinese Democracy" album.

Whatever business/legal issues withstanding, they've managed to release one song off the album into the public, regardless as to how/where it came out.

Much like how Metallica started to throw out one or two new songs before they officially released a single and then the album "Death Magnetic", this is the first official, real, authorized preview of the album itself we've got. Unless "Shackler's Revenge" is pulled off the album, we can expect the rest of it will have to follow because they can't turn back now.

That is of course, unless "Chinese Democracy" is only a one song album.. Doubt that you know..

I'm starting to get a little bit different of a point of view.

I totally support Axl taking as long as he desires to "MAKE" the album. Now that it is finished though, I just hope he releases it.

makes u wonder if the hold up now is Robin/NIN and getting that sorted out.

I've been wondering the same thing.

I doubt it NIN are on break right now I bet there getting video plans, promo's, pictures, ect ready for the release maybe they want that all done before they make an annoucement.

You think so?

You think Axl would let some other band dictate when he's gonna release his music?

I don't think so.


As he said himself, once there's touring plans they'll think about it.


/jarmo

Is there any way this release info could be verified by someone in the label?
Whether this info is authentic or not?

I wonder how old this is supposed to be? If legit, it was made recently enough for U2 to be removed from the list...

Well hopefully the album is relaesed before the year is out. I think GNR has a lot of momentum going with Shackler's Revenge and the leaked songs. I know the media would be interested when it comes out. At the financial news media  company that I work for here in the NYC area, I think they would be interested in a story when it comes out.

Speaking of financial news, does anyone else think it's a little interesting that Best Buy just bought Napster?  Would an exclusive Chi Dem deal be a good push for them to compete with Apple in the digital media market?  Regardless, there's a lot to be excited about!

Absolutely, could be one reason why Shackler's hasn't been released on iTunes.

That document looks FAKE as hell....wish it was real though.

Let's not forget that Chris Pitman is still on a commando mission in the lawless tribal region of Northwest Pakistan...

Like someone said earlier, you seem to be blessed with a good portion of patience. If that's genetic or because of something you know and we don't, doesn't really matter.

Good for YOU!  : ok:  Know what I'm saying? You be happy about that, thumbs up! No disrespect....

But people are different, and obviously a lot of people on the boards is not so patient/understanding. And I must say, I feel you sort of disrespect a lot of the members of your board, when you sort of like say; "NO! You don't have the right to feel the way you do!!"

If Gn'R had been completely GONE and SILENT for 15 years, and we didn't hear a diddly squat from them all those years, THEN some of your logic would be understood.

But there has been so much going on, off and on since 2001. When the tour was anounced then pulled, that was the year I really started to get jazzed up again, and it really hasn't gone away since.

Every time we've had a song leaked or sometimes many songs leaked, tours here and there under the ChiDem-banner, band-members telling us the album is done or nearly done, Tantive releasdate from Axl etc etc,  I can't personally help to start wondering: "It sure would be nice to know exactly what's going on..."  Most of the time I keep thoughts like that to myself, I'm not a frequent poster. But I sure as hell understand those that do post their thoughts on the matter. I guess to a lot of people, that's why they like going to these kind of boards. You know, to share their thoughts on different topics, read what other people thoughts are and having debates etc etc...
Sure you should be able to express your thoughts on topics, hell it's your site! But some of your posts makes you look like "Hey, I'll tell you what you can and can't feel.... Go on tell me not to stop by anymore, it tends to be your solution when members don't agree with you...

Hell! I recently turned 31, I'm on this and other boards many times daily, fingers crossed hoping for THE big news!!

Usually I'll just read posts to see what's going on. But I gotta say, Jarmo, being the Administrator around here and in some way "in the loop",  the way you talk down to board-members gives me a bad feeling....

lets just wait untill the end of the month for any word from gnr before we start
being negative and talking about how this album/gnr wont give us any "news" or cd this year...
In my opinion, if we dont have any word from gnr within the next 2-3 weeks then I will be very skeptical of a release in 2008..

I'm surprised this topic hasn't been deleted by now.

But, mixed with a new management team, rumors of an exclusivity agreement with Best Buy, Schackler's revenge and for the very first time a genuine feeling of urgency I think its fair to be pretty optimistic about this forecast. It seems as though the planets are finally aligning and we may have some tunes on our ipods, stereos and pcs before the end of the year. Santa Claus is coming to town!  8)  :drool:  :beer: :beer:

I don't talk down on anyone. I say what I think and tell people I think they're wrong when they post things I disagree with.

I've seen people post the same things for years. And they keep doing it even though times have changed.



I'm not telling anyone what they can feel either. I'm telling people that if they're frustrated, there's a place for that.

I'm also telling them that a lot of their feelings I don't understand. It makes very little sense to me to be angry at the band for things you built up in your own head for example.






/jarmo

Jarmo , could you find out for us , to put the argument one and for all to bed,

if it is indeed Bumble on the solo or Bucket?

Bumble did say he will talk about the songs once they are released, and this song is now released
so I can't see the harm in him just clarifyng whos playing what on the song Shacklers Revenge...
might be a nice little update from a gnr member ;)

Yeah right, people thinking the album was coming out had nothing to do with "people will here music this year", "there are 13 Tuesdays left" or Axl even giving a specific release date for March 2007.

It's just that crazy fan boys making things up in their head and then blaming the band and Axl for things not turning out as the fans hoped they would.  :yes:

I don't think we need to run down a list of things that have "held up" the album, or concerts, etc...

You're just digging a hole for those of us with a pesky long term memory.

The album is coming out. Let's be happy for it....stop turning every thread into a bitchfest about the same god damn things.

Don't make me slap you J. Even if I agree with you. Don't make me do it.

Here we go again.

The March 2007 was not a "specific release date". You made that part up!

It was a TENTATIVE release date. Meaning, it was not final. So, once again, you assumed shit and got frustrated. Which proves my point.


"You will hear music". Yes, that was the plan when he said so.





/jarmo

Looks fake to me  : ok:.

Well,  it's very clear you don't understand some peoples frustration. Like I said you're blessed with a good patience (and contact with GN'R), but maybe you have some work to do with a thing called empathy.... A person with little or no empathy, would respond exactly the way you do! "I don't tell people what to feel, think or say..." 

But the thing is, most people don't have regular contact with GN'R or the GN'R-camp, get emails from bandmembers or their assistants/managers.

So, for you to say that we as fans, keep repeating the same thing for years or we are not owed anything, doesn't hold any water.

I know perfectly well that Axl or GN'R don't literally owe me a song, an album or an update. But no matter how hard I try not to be bothered with the lack of information. It still finds a way to creep up on me.... :-\ It's not a "general misconception" (as you put it..). It's how I feel! Simple as that!  Sure, I know that there probably is a valid reason for the silence, well that doesn't make the feeling go away....

Oh! One more thing. Please think before using the "Do you think a doctor owes you because he's successful and makes money?"-line again. That was just silly! You're lack of empathy shined through on that one!!  : ok:

I don't say that GNR camp necessarily lied to us (can't say they didn't either), my point is just that the fans just didn't make things up in their head. GnR promised them an album and they didn't deliver, that's a fact.

That's all I wanted to say.


BTW Jarmo,  you sid:  "So, once again, you assumed shit and got frustrated. Which proves my point."

This is an ideological statement. You cannot be proven wrong with this kind of attitude.

Fans don't make things up?  Are you fucking kidding?

It was a TENTATIVE date.  But within SECOND it was all over the place that it was a confirmed release date.   As for all the other deranged rumours.  Yes, fans make up shit about this band all the time, it's stunning.  Where exactly did Axl promise you that you'd get Chi Dem?

I keep repeating the same shit over and over. I don't know if you refuse to read it or what.

I've said I could understand it if things were like in (for example) 2005. When nothing was happening as far as we could tell.

Things have changed, people haven't.

So by saying I don't understand it, you're making assumptions based on false information.





Thank you Dr Phil.  :D

I respond to your personal attack and I get attacked again. I guess nothing I say will change your mind. I have no empathy.

Right.



Are you telling me how to feel?  :P






Maybe you should try harder?

Does the constant whining make things better?

What exactly are you hoping to get out by saying things like "the album's not out! Boohoo!" year after year?

Help me understand!

To me it just seems like pointless whining. Not productive at all.

My attitude is that "it's not out yet and I can't do anything about it, but at the same time I'm confident that it'll be out as soon as possible".



All the negative people, if this was a party, they'd be the ones who were constantly trying to keep everybody else down. Nobody's allowed to have fun! Constantly reminding everybody about how much everything sucks.

And you wonder why some of us aren't exactly thrilled about having that kind of people around?




It was an analogy about how you pay for a product and/or service, you still don't have the right to claim you're owed because that money is used to buy a house or something ("he wouldn't have that house without my money"). Obviously since you have to respond that way, it must've touched a nerve.




Exactly.



To further prove the point about constant negativity, look at what route this thread has taken.

Something positive to talk about (the possibility of the album being on a release date schedule for Q4) and some of you can't live with that.... The ship has to be turned around!






/jarmo

Are you guys out of your minds? When Axl comes out with a release date, tentative or not, it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that, hey, fans might expect the CD to come out around then! But it didn't. Didn't even come close. I doubt anyone expected "tentative" to mean years from March. You can be as patient/positive as you want about it, but it doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is a circus.

Exactly!

Yeah, even thought it was "not a promise, a lie or a guarantee".

 : ok:




There's your explanation for it.

When are you gonna move on?





/jarmo

I think what seems to be lost in the GnR camp is that the band needs the fans more than the fans need the band.  Throughout history there have been lots of bands/musicians that have been extremely talented but not had a fan base to support them and thus, they fade away.  With GnR you have a loyal fan base but the band does not seem to have the same loyalty to the fans.  It is a relationship and for 15 years it has been, for the most part, a one way relationship.  Would it really be so hard for Axl to do what Trent Reznor does with his fans: communicate?

I don't care what they do with their money.  And you're right, they don't owe us anything but some sort of communication with the fans they are in a relationship with would be nice.

Yes, this!

A tentative date, generally means, it has at least a snowball's chance in hell of coming out sometime near March. But it's been years. Not days, weeks, months. Nearly two years.

As for Jarmo's attitude, it gets old. This is supposed to be a place to discuss GNR, but if you ever say anything that can be construed as negative, Jarmo jumps in and tells you how your wrong, threatens to throw your posts to Dead Horse or worse. I mean, he apparently has some kind of contact with the band, and has become a yes man for them. Anything they do is justified in his opinion. If they came out tomorrow and said "CD WILL BE RELEASED by  Dec. 25, 2008" and nothing happened for another two years, he'd defend it.
Now I'm not trying to be down on Jarmo, I know he's put a lot of work into this site, I'm just saying I have empathy for the people who feel like he's constantly talking down to them for being critical of a band that hasn't released an album in 15 years.

Okay, some got Shackler's Revenge (those who have a gaming system for Rockband 2). I see that as a positive step. I hope the album does make it out this year, but I doubt it. It just scares me to see Dizzy and other band members going off to do their own things (albums, tours). What if the release date is secured, and they other members of GNR decide, "hey, it's time to do my own thing, I've spend enough time on that" and never come back?

I don't know, maybe Jarmo has some perspective on this possiblity?

I'm over it. I was backing the kid who you blasted, saying fans make shit up, which I'm not saying doesn't happen, but in this case, a "tentative" date was announced. It's not strange to think it may come out somewhere around that time. You make it sound as if people are stupid and unreasonable to assume that. Maybe you're right, as long as this has been going on, we probably should disregard everything they say until an album is actually in stores.

I understand it's a very strange situation, the Axl excerpt you posted just backs what I said. It's a circus. That's not being negative, it's calling it what it is. It doesn't mean I like the band any less, or I'm not gonna buy the album, or tickets to any show within 100 mile radius of my hometown. I'm as psyched as anyone for an album and some real rock n' roll shows.

They've thanked the fans for their continued support several times.

Once again, it comes down to the whole "do you need to be told things" attitude.

Somebody needed to be told that they were in fact working on getting the album out, somebody else needs to be told the band appreciated its fans.






Dead Horse was created specifically for one purpose. It's even mentioned in its description. Frequently asked questions.

I think most of what you complain about falls under that, don't you?




Of course you have empathy for those who think I talk down to them.

It would be a miracle if you understood my point of view.

Day after day, seeing the same people go on and on about how horrible everything is.

Why not do something about it?

Maybe listen to some other artist that "appreciates you more"? Oh wait, maybe their music sucks?

There's only one GN'R and they're not the band who is out to please everybody in this age of instant information.




I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation on how all this fucking whining helps.

Does it help the band to have a group of fans constantly whining about the album not being out?

Does it make your day better?

Also, what are you here for? The album's not out, so obviously you're not gonna be happy. Why do you keep going to a fan site for a band that makes you unhappy?

I'm curious. Please, let me know.





You think I made it up?

You saw with your own eyes how tentative was translated into meaning it would definitely be out in March 2007.

That's only one example.


Some people see "signs" everywhere. Then get their hopes up and once they realize it's not happening, hold it against the band.




/jarmo

Do I "need" to be told things?  No, but it would be nice

When a band goes on tour, don't they expect the fans to show up for the shows?  Why is it so wrong for the fans to have expectations as well? 

Why is it that you consider any kind of opinion that varies from your whining?  Sometimes you just need to get things off your chest.  You ever have one of those days at work that you need to go home and vent to someone then you feel better? 

1. Oh God. Play the tortured artist.

2. Actually, it was while spending the $20 I had set aside for CD back when the tentative release date was blown by without a mention that I discovered Queens of the Stone Age. Hell, I've discovered a lot of different kinds of music while "whining" about CD. Actually, I'm really into a lot of classical stuff right now.  
So yes, whining about it does make my day better, especially when I see and hear how disrespected my favorite band is out in the real world. I'm just sick of the way that GNR has become a running joke for people in the press, and people on the street. The only way to overcome it is to release the album. Release it, and the ammunition for the jokes and disrespect goes way. I don't bitch because I have a dislike of GNR or Axl, I bitch because I love the band and its music, and I want to see Axl admired by the public at large as much as I admire him. That's what I think people don't understand about us "whiners." If we didn't care, and didn't support the band, we wouldn't be here. I fucking hate Pearl Jam, I think that Eddy Veder is an overrated, underperforming punk. I don't go to their fan sites and stir shit up.
I love GNR, I think Axl is a living legend, so I come here, poke around for some news, make a few posts. Sometimes I come across as negative, but only because I want to see GNR be successful again. One thing for sure, but not releasing the album, no further success will ever come.

Axl can do no right in some "fans" minds.  He wrote an open letter, which fans who are clamoring for information must've been pleased with at the time.  But since he didn't follow through with the "tentative" release date, they feel slighted, betrayed.  I realize he said he'd keep us updated, and many people are probably wondering why Axl doesn't start a blog and give us minute to minute updates of his life, but let's give up that dream.  It's not gonna happen.  Axl's biggest mistake may have been writing that letter.  He tried to inform fans about the process, which was a nice gesture.  But it has backfired because people now expect even more.

You think I made it up?

You saw with your own eyes how tentative was translated into meaning it would definitely be out in March 2007.

That's only one example.


Some people see "signs" everywhere. Then get their hopes up and once they realize it's not happening, hold it against the band.


I made my point about the tentative date, I'm not gonna beat it to death. I understand what you are saying about the "signs", but don't think it applies in that case, it was straight from Axl's mouth. Right or wrong, I think people's frustration does stem from the lack of communication from the band. They are the only big act I can think of that is so secretive about what's going on. I'm sure they have their reasons, but it is a unique situation. Most other bands you can look up online to see what the lead singer ate for lunch, and when the drummer last took a shit. You say that GNR has never been a band to talk when they had nothing to say, but that really doesn't hold water, because when they were relevant, they were all over the news, radio etc. They were one of the biggest bands in the world, so there was no escaping the media's attention. People get frustrated because they want a CD or a show to get excited about. Because they are passionate about GNR. I don't really understand why you blast them for it. At least they are fans, that still care. I now plenty of people that will not be supporting GNR's future releases. There are a ton of people that think Axl is completely washed up and a has been. He put himself in that situation. You are right, GNR doesnt owe us anything, but they are lucky they have fans that still care. I think everybody posting on this site, it's a given will buy the CD, and I have a feeling the complaints will stop when that happens.

It's a bit sad that Jarmo needs to defend himself for:
- how he runs this board
- to clear out what he said
- what we should think/how we should feel as 'real' fans
- and most important: in every possible way defending Guns N' Roses not matter what...

I think all this frustration by many fans, myself included for a bit, is blamed to GN'R. Is it so hard to be clear and concrete?
If they do not have a clue about the release of an album; well then say it: there is no album at this moment to be released. Period. People will at first be dissapointed, but then at least they know it and stop whining about it. The lack of info, status updates, etc...is just silly. Or GN'R is finished and the musicians go all there own way and we have nice memories of the greatest band ever, or they give information - news - whatever - ... to the fans just like any other band that respect theur fans. There is always something ongoing when you exist and work as a band. And if they are on a break, well, let us know!

I think that's the thing. We feel like this album has been teased for us since 1999. That's when they started talking about it by the name Chinese Democracy. I mean if GNR was totally quiet about it, that'd be one thing. The problem is that it's been, "It's coming really soon!", "We'll be back next year with a whole bunch of new songs", "There's only 14 Tuesdays left!", and "It's tentatively going to be released on ..." immediately followed up by months or years of nothing.

That's the maddening thing. Either don't tell us that it's coming out until you're sure, or give us regular updates. But jump into the spotlight with announcements, then jump back out for months and years at a time. Hell, hire a part time PR dude to type bullshit on your website twice a month for $20,000 a year. At least that's giving us something.

As far as Jarmo, he's done a lot of work on this site and for the GNR community.

I enjoyed your post. I feel like many of us have probably felt that way.

That being said... the reality is that OUR objectives and hopes and dreams for Axl may not correlate with AXL'S... and guess whose are going to win out?

Hopefully there's at least some "overlap"... but I think we have to ditch the idea of assuming (at least) that Axl gets up in the morning and looks forward to putting Eddie Vedder and other pretenders to the hard rock frontman throne in their place and "paying us back" for our loyalty by shutting up all the critics and buzzards that have picked over the bones of Guns N' Roses over the last 15 years.

My best guess is that this is an EXTREMELY personal and emotional album for Axl and he wants it to the best possible artistic statement it possibly can be (in his eyes). If it "sets the record straight" for the fans along the way... great. Bonus. But that's not the main focus IMHO. I think Axl is more motivated by the idea that (like AFD or Physical Graffiti, etc.) someone might pick up Chinese Democracy 20 years from now and will say.... "Holy shit! What an amazing fucking album!!". Now the beautiful thing is if he succeeds in achieving his objective (at least as how I see it)... then he will almost invariably succeed in achieving some of our objectives (shutting the critics the fuck up).

Seriously, if you look through my post history (the ones that haven't been erased), I'm FAR from the "worship Axl" type, and that's why Jarmo has sent a large portion of my posts to the digital bit bucket.

But - I DO understand what tentative means.  Not only do I know how to look it up in a dictionary, I actually know how to use the word in day to day conversation, and clearly there are a significant number of people here that do not.  Not correctly anyway. 

Tentative March does not mean that if it's not March it's going to be April.   It doesn't even mean that if it's not March it's going to be December.   It means that they will attempt to have it out in March. 

So while "fans" might expect a tentative March date to mean that if it's not coming out in March it's coming out in "insert month here", that's not how it works.  If you read tentative March and figured "Hey if it's not March, at least it'll be May" then you have only one person to blame.   And it's not Axl.  Or me.  Or even Jarmo. 

If a thousand people are all wrong, they don't become right once they reach a certain greater number. 

The situation is a circus, I agree.  But GNR provide the tent, it's the fans that are doing most of the clown work from what I see. 

I'm sorry, no one is going to convince me that when Axl said tentative, he really meant within years of March 2007. If so, I guess he's still on track to be right.

So the fuckin thing didn't come out in March of 2007.  This has already been bitched about to no end. Let's look ahead.... :D

It wasn't aimed directly at you. It's something I have noticed over the years.




It depends on the expectations.

If for example you expect GN'R to start fulfilling all your wishes, that might not happen.....





Umm, in case it's not clear, I don't.

I do consider the whole "it's taken too long, it should've been out in 2007, he promised us" etc etc etc as pointless whining.

There's nothing constructive about it.



Ok, fair enough, you need to vent.

I was actually expecting somebody to say that. So, I ask you, is it something you think the rest of this board is interested in?

You "venting" about the same thing in every other thread? What good does it do?





Not playing anything, just saying what I think.





Are you aware that when certain fans are doing the same thing, those people will think they must be right?

"Even the fans think it's a joke"....

So basically you have more in common with the "people out there" than with the fans who still support the band.

Is that the way things should be?


I guess a lot of people think they're "on board" so to speak. Well that's true, they're here.

But at the end of the day, when this all comes to that date you're waiting for, can you honestly say that you really were on board all the way?








This is interesting.

On one hand, some are upset that the March 2007 "promise" didn't happen and wanted a new update on the record.

But you're saying they should tell us when they're sure it's coming out..... Isn't that what they're doing?

Maybe that's why there's no album updates....



On another note, did you ever make plans and they didn't fall through? Did you ever have hopes of doing something during a certain year, but for some reason didn't?

Just saying, these things happen. Even to Axl.

He hoped and wanted to have the album out, things didn't go as he (or we) had hoped.



Now, what do you think of Q4 2008?



/jarmo

good calls lunsjail and haward2k.

frustrated people, please have some empathy with us and use the frustration thread.


no he didn't. what he said was that as soon as there was a new date we'd know.


or say some kid in a small village in china might hear it on the net and maybe they can't get it immediately but later.
would be great if it helps them, whoever and wherever they are, live strong.

I have one question for Jarmo. Do you think the Gn'R camp has done ANYTHING wrong concerning the treatment of their fans over let's say the last 2 years?

If you think "yes, they've down some uncool things", could you please elaborate.

But if you tend to respond by saing "Gn'r have done everything just perfect", then it's ok, too.

This question is in no way meant offensive, I'm just interested in finding out what your up to when it comes to critizing Gn'R.
  :peace:

in my opinion (and I haven't said it for a long time) GNR have treated the fans in the best way it was possible in light of legal issues, record label issues and all other fuckin things going on around we can only guess about. so my (and I know You haven't asked for my opinion) answer would be simply YES.

offtopic: kind regards to all the people I met in London. hope You are all well

They've done things the way that was right at the time. You know what you know, you make a decision based on that.

You can always guess what might happen in the future and make decisions based on that too. Is it wrong if that didn't happen the way you thought it would? I don't think so....
 

So I don't think they've done anything wrong. It's always easy to say things afterward and criticize when you know what happened.

I know it might seem like it's wrong not to update the fans on stuff, but like I've said, they seem to update fans when there's something to say.


And you can never please everybody. So you gotta start by doing what you think is right.

If it pisses people off, all you can do is to wish that at least some people understand.



I don't see any difference in how GN'R has "treated its fans" now or 20 years ago.

Maybe many of you weren't around back then and can't relate.

I just think GN'R is a genuine band. There doesn't seem to be that many of those left these days.

They do what they do and they do it their way.




 :o





/jarmo

Ok, thanks Jarmo for your reply!

You're welcome.




/jarmo

why does every single thread around here inevitably turn into an argument between jarmo and everyone else?

Guess there are too many jarmo fanatics. ;D

So back to the topic,

it says forecast that it's not dead concrete yet. when it is we will be officially notified.

Really just reinforces what we'd already heard from Rolling Stone, right?

Let me ask you guys a question.  What do you think shacklers revenge is ? PROMOTION FOR CHINESE DEMOCRACY !!!!  :drool:

No hard feelings.  Just put it down to your own misunderstanding of the word tentative and lack of ability to understand the entire statement in context. 

that would be logical.


this might be a stupid question but.......

do you think GNR would make more money releasing CD OR licensing off all the tracks individually to outlets such as Rockband?


for the record of course I would rather they release CD

No hard feelings.  Just put it down to your own misunderstanding of the word tentative and lack of ability to understand the entire statement in context.


I understand it quite fine thank you. I guess what you are saying is that Axl is either stupid or has no concept of time, because so far he is 1.5 years off from his initial goal. I can understand the how the negativity can be tiresome but I think the Axl apologists are just as mind boggling. He's 1.5 years off the month he gave. Let's leave it at that.

Axl is just teasing us.  


Seems to me like the perfect method to warm up the general population for new GNR music.  RB2 is charting pretty high in terms of sales, and has still yet to be released on PS3 and Wii.   My personal guess is that we'll see RB2 move to PS3 and Wii before we see Chi Dem on CD.

So Oct 19 for PS3 and Nov 18 for Wii.  

If I was going to release Chi Dem, I'd be wanting the PS2 and Wii kiddies to have been given a chance to listen to the tracks to.   So I'm going out on a limb (or not) and saying that despite seeing SR public release on RB2 on Xbox360, we won't see Chi Dem till Q1 next year at the earliest.  

For what it's worth, I asked someone at Universal about it who deals with the new releases and they had never seen it before. They pointed out that the logo on the document is out of date and the word 'International' on it made it dubious as well.

No, I'm not suggesting he's either.  And I'm not an Axl apologist.  Far from it.   I guess I just understood that when he said "tentative" he meant "tentative".  There ARE those people on here that look through everything through rose tinted glasses too.  I'm not in that bunch, but I just happened to not get sucked into the "Chi Dem comes out in MArch!!!!one!!11!!" group and took the statement in context.   He said they'd tentatively release it in March.  It was tentative.  Didn't happen.  Oh well.  

Okay Howard2k

We'll put that one to bed. No hard feelings. For the record, I didn't get sucked in either. Nothing surprises me with this band anymore. After 15 years nothing should.

so you weren't surprised when the first track off Chinese Democracy was released on a video game ? after 15 years ? your not the only one who has had to wait.  Hell I saw GnR live with no CD and it kicked ass !!! Im not an Axl apologist, maybe take some business classes and see that just releasing this album any ol' time isn't an option.  Tentative release date they only gave one of them, everyone acts like they have gave us several, believe me the next date they give us will be THE DAY.

No can't really say I was that surprised. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just saying nothing surprises me. I saw them live too and it was one of the greatest concert experiences of my life. Don't really care about the business side of it. Any 'ol time like, say 15 years? I hope your right about the next date they give, but I'm not taking anyone's word for it. I'll believe it when it's in my hand. No actually I'll believe it after I open the CD and put it in my computer and listen to it in itunes. Only then will I believe it's true.

It does look kinda fake. To be honest I don't really look everywhere on online stores and stuff (or the official site ;D) to see when the album is gonna be released. I guess it'll be released when the time is right and that's the bottom line for me. I've been a fan for 17 years, it's not like it's gonna change because it's not released in 2008. :)

Now I'm waiting for Rock Band 2 on PS3 in October, at least that's a 100% concrete release. :)

but both RB shop and amazon say they don't ship it to the outside of NA. ???


still then only gamers in North america will have had the chance.
Id say anytime after wii.

1. No, just because I accept reality that this band has become a joke in people's eyes, doesn't mean I'm one of them. I love the new music, I may be in the minority, but I really do like it. I just don't like that music I like and know exists is being used as a punchline for assholes.

2. Blind devotion to anything, even GNR, isn't a good thing. Critical thinking is needed in all situations. I'm not saying tear apart the band at every opportunity, but to say I'm as devoted as I was 10 years ago ... no. I've been burned by them financially due to a cancelled show. I stopped being totally devoted to them. So I consider myself on board, but I also carry a life jacket with me. I'm not going to defend and accept everything they do. They are HUMAN AND AS SUCH make mistakes. Just like you and me. And even if I can't say I was onboard all they way, so what? On board for what? An aging rockstar's comeback? I'll buy the album the first day it comes out. Probably two copies (one for my friend who would steal it online anyway). That's pretty good support in today's world of digital theft.

3. No, man, that's not what I'm saying. I mean the tentative date blowing by without so much as a whisper was disappointing and all, but I'm talking on the larger scale of what's going on for the past 9 years. That's how long we've been talking about this album. Nine years. A good portion of what may or may not be on the album is going on 9 years old in fans' minds because it was played in concert ... 8 years ago. That's a hell of a long time. There is no getting around it.

4. I'm hopeful, I hope it happens, I hope it's the biggest thing in music in years, I hope it kicks everyone's ass, including mine and yours, and I hope it brings GNR all the success they can stand. If not, from what I've heard so far, I think it will more than fulfill my expectations. If the songs that haven't been played live or on video games are half as good as the ones that have, I'll be totally happy with it.

Did you understand what I was trying to say at all?

You can love the new music, but by constantly expressing your so called frustration, you're basically just showing these assholes that even the fans think the band is a so called joke.







That was about the so called turn coats.

People who'll automatically become "supportive" once they get what they want, but in times when things don't go their way, they make sure everybody knows it.





Did you read the open letter from 2006. I think it explains it pretty well.

If Axl says that shit has happened that has made the process longer, I believe him.



It doesn't matter if a song is nine years old or 9 weeks old. If it's good.

November Rain wasn't exactly a new song when it was released. That didn't stop people from liking it.





/jarmo

Yep - and as much as I dislike the whole "USA is the centre of the universe" mentality, the fact is that North America IS the biggest market for GNR.   So I don't expect that they will wait for RB2 to filter to the rest of the world.   I vote for release sometime after Wii in NA, and possibly before RB2 hits Europe. 

Right now you can buy the Xbox360 version of Rock Band 2 on eBay (and have it shipped to Europe or wherever). And it's the official and new game. I think (hope) it'll be the same for the PS3 version. Harmonix released Rock Band in Europe a year after the US, I sure hope they don't expect us to wait another year for RB2.

That's true for any international artists.

Apparently USA has about a third of the whole market value.




/jarmo

Here is what is on Uni's database right now, in a jumbled format

Contributor Title/Version Title Selection # UPC Format Config Desc/Type Release Date Division Label Price Code Genre Cover Art Publicity Photo Other

Guns N' Roses  Appetite For Destruction  224148 720642414828 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Jul 21, 1987 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Appetite For Destruction  224148 720642414828 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Jul 21, 1987 UMD Geffen J12 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Appetite For Destruction / [edited]  224211 720642421123 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Aug 26, 1988 UMD Geffen J12 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Appetite For Destruction / [edited]  224211 720642421123 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Aug 26, 1988 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Appetite For Destruction / [Vinyl Reissue]  GHS24148 720642414811 Physical LP Vinyl  Oct 28, 2008 UMD Geffen L19 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Civil War / [Chorus]    602517036864 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Mar 06, 2007 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Don't Cry (Original) / [Chorus]  0249859932 602498599327 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  May 09, 2006 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Estranged / [Chorus]    602498599341 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  May 09, 2008 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  G N' R Lies  224198 720642419823 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Nov 30, 1988 UMD Geffen J09 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  G N' R Lies  224198 720642419823 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Nov 30, 1988 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Greatest Hits  B000171402 602498613696 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Mar 23, 2004 UMD Geffen J12 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Greatest Hits  B000171402 602498613696 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Mar 23, 2004 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  It's So Easy    602517414389 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Knockin' On Heaven's Door    602498779590 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Mar 23, 2006 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Live Era '87-'93  0694905512 606949055127 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Nov 30, 1999 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Live Era '87-'93 (2 CD)  0694905142 606949051426 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Nov 30, 1999 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Live Era '87-'93 (2 CD)  0694905142 606949051426 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Nov 30, 1999 UMD Geffen J19 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Live Era '87-'93 / [edited] (2 CD)  0694905512 606949055127 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Nov 30, 1999 UMD Geffen J19 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Mr. Brownstone  0249859935 602498599358 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  May 09, 2006 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  My Michelle    602517414396 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Nightrain    602517414419 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  November Rain / [Chorus]    602517036888 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Mar 06, 2007 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  One In A Million    602517414433 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Out Ta Get Me    602517414440 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Paradise City / [Chorus]    602517037038 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Mar 06, 2007 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Patience / [Chorus]    602517037090 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Mar 06, 2007 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Patience / [Whistle]    602517320826 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Mar 08, 2007 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Reckless Life / [live]    602517414464 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Rocket Queen    602517414471 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Sweet Child O' Mine / [Intro]    602517098350 Digital Alert Tone  Oct 05, 2006 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  The Spaghetti Incident?  GEFD24617 720642461723 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Oct 31, 1997 UMD Universal Special Products "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  The Spaghetti Incident?  GEFD24617 720642461723 Physical Album Length Compact Disc  Nov 23, 1993 UMD Universal Special Products 4.00 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Think About You    602517414495 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion / [edited]  GEFD24463 720642446324 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Aug 25, 1998 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion / [edited]  GEFD24463 720642446324 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Aug 25, 1998 UMD Geffen J12 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion I  GEFD24415 720642441527 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Sep 17, 1991 UMD Geffen J12 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion I  GEFD24415 720642441527 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Sep 17, 1991 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion I / [DVD]  B000091809 602498605714 Physical DVD-Video  Oct 28, 2003 UMD Geffen D14 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion II  GEFD24420 720642442029 Physical Full Length Album Compact Disc  Sep 17, 1991 UMD Geffen J12 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion II  GEFD24420 720642442029 Digital Full Length Digital Album  Sep 17, 1991 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion II / [DVD]  B000092009 602498605738 Physical DVD-Video  Oct 28, 2003 UMD Geffen D14 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion II / [DVD-Jewel]  B000092109 602498605745 Physical DVD-Video  Oct 28, 2003 UMD Geffen D14 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion World Tour I - Tokyo '92  GEFV39521 720643952138 Physical Videocassette  Dec 08, 1992 UMD Geffen V07 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Use Your Illusion World Tour II - Tokyo '92  GEFV39522 720643952237 Physical Videocassette  Dec 08, 1992 UMD Geffen V07 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Used To Love Her / [Chorus]    602498599365 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  May 09, 2006 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Welcome To The Jungle / [Intro]    602517098381 Digital Alert Tone  Oct 05, 2006 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Welcome To The Jungle / [Knees Knees]    602517098398 Digital Alert Tone  Oct 05, 2006 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Welcome To The Jungle / [Verse]  0249889335 602498893357 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Dec 21, 2005 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock
Guns N' Roses  Welcome To The Videos  GEFV39557 720643955733 Physical Videocassette  Oct 27, 1998 UMD Geffen V16 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Welcome To The Videos / [DVD]  B000091509 602498605684 Physical DVD-Video  Oct 28, 2003 UMD Geffen D14 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Welcome To The Videos / [DVD-Jewel]  B000091609 602498605707 Physical DVD-Video  Oct 28, 2003 UMD Geffen D14 Rock     
Guns N' Roses  Yesterdays / [Chorus]    602498599372 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  May 09, 2006 UMD Geffen "NA" Rock     
Guns N' Roses  You're Crazy    602517414501 Digital Mastertone/Ringback Tone  Jun 21, 2007 UMD Interscope "NA" Rock 

so whats the big deal about that?
all of GNR's stock is in their database?
and a ringtone or two?

i don't get it....??

hmm interesting

When a release date is confirmed, it appears in the database. When CD is confirmed, it will appear here before it's release. It may be this year, but it is yet to be confirmed. People in the retail industry and the media will get pictures, interviews and clips before the general public does through this resource. This is where the media gets (alot) of it's info.

thank you mysteron. so it doesn't necessarily mean Uni doesn't have cd in hand.


and prolly europe is more ready to rock to new music and a long warmup isn't necessary... :P

@will, Thanks for the reply. I think I better check ebay bestbuy etc.

That's interesting....

This is the current logo I guess:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/Umg.png)



/jarmo

and the last letter 'l' of universal seems to be missing in the document logo? universa


maybe rolling Stone made this up to reinforce their story.  :hihi:

http://i34.tinypic.com/qzlkdz.jpg full pic

How easy is it for universal to add Chinese Democracy and what would be a certain time table for it to be released this year ? or I should say is there a deadline for album releases to be out by Dec 31 ?

Possibly, I do not know.

All I know is that when people fake shizz, people can suffer unecessary shizz for no reason.

I hope CD is out QTR4. Let's see what happens.

Do you think this song was ever considered as a cheeky little inclusion to CD?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz7ghrbPecY

I didnt want any cover versions on it but I think I've changed my mind ;D

Even without this document, there are other rumors pointing in the Q4 direction: The whole retail exclusive rumor, Rolling Stone mentioning November...

Then we have the facts: There's the new management team in place this year, a new track is already out in Rock Band 2 and the fact that people buy stuff around the holidays....





/jarmo

I guess there's an l.  :-X

found a similar image. it's a universal studios logo.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/Universal_logo.jpg)

Exactly my thoughts...Don't trust the doc. but I still believe...all indications are SOON - still holding my breath for marketing to kick off  :-X and make it official!

This thread died pretty quick didnt it.    :confused:

Jarmo, do u think the Amazing numbers Metallica's new CD did will also help push CD out this year?

There is still obviously a HUGE market for legendary rock acts, GNR presumably have the same clout as Metallica especially after Metallica's clunker of St Anger and the Napster.

So this has to encourage Axl that CD could presumbably sell very very well.

only problem with Nov is, the stiff competition u are up against BUT, Axl will have the rock fanbase exclusively cause people who buy the other people's cds arent necessarily GNR fans anyway.

I don't know. It's a very special album in many ways. That alone makes it stand out from many other albums.


But I guess the people at Universal Music might be following how other rock acts are selling....




/jarmo

Cause when u think about it

Metallica didnt have a world exploding single..... nothing in the top 100.

GNR's Chinese Democracy is so mythical and talked about whereas Metallica pretty much have a standard CD release.


So if they sell 500k in 3 days, CD absolutely would be between 500-750k for a full week presuming they have a nice release strategy and Im sure they will.

I was thinking on this also, after seeing the #s , surely, GNR will  should by every stretch of the imagination, meet , or imo surpass the #s of what MEtallica did. And not meaning in a competition way but just realist way.

I'm thinkin March myself....but then what do I know? : ok:

St. Anger...eeeewwwwww.  Only CD I have ever bought, and never made it through a full song.  Metallica sales look great, though, and with obvious acceptance - market is RIPE...Gn'R has the 'anything' Gn'R fans, the SCOM/NR fans, and now - hopefully, the SR fans.

Metallica have a very strong fanbase-aside from the whole Napster deal, Metallica have worked for years to build a strong and loyal fanbase by touring and so-on-I think it really has nothing to do with GNR-I think both bands have a very different fanbase than 15 years ago-I'm not sure if GNR has that strong of a fanbase to put up those numbers

true. I don't think talica would draw as large audiences as GNR did in 2006/7 if they didn't constantly tour and so on.


me me me!

Even if the document's real...it doesn't mean it's 100% definitive.  It may just be a tentative list of "prospective" releases.

I'm pretty sure Dr. Dre's album is getting pushed (because of the stuff with his son).  Eminem is still recording...so that's doubtful.

Isn't it all but confirmed that the label has the album?  But legal issues are holding it up?  If that's the case, it's not surprising that the label may be pushing to get it out by year's end...but that doesn't mean everything will fall into place for that to happen.  I would just take this with a grain of salt.

If the gnr album was going to be released this year,
and by going off of what Axl said about giving it the proper promotional time needed to market cd,
then we would have to start seeing the ball rolling at the very latest This time next month,
which would give the 2 months worth of promotion that cd needs in Axls eyes..

so we shall know in 30 days whether or not we can leave the milk and cookies out for the gnr's sack of toys!

Yeah, its awesome to know that in about one month, we are gonna know if CD is coming out or not.

So this board should be getting very interesting in the next 30 days.

Id say the deadline is October 15th

If we haven't heard anything by then....... I say we aren't getting it.

U have to have at least one month, although an Exclusive deal MAY not require that much time.

so I think it is safe to assume now , with the circumstances the way they are,
that it will be a "make" or "break " time  for a release this year,
if we hear soemthing within the next month,
otherwise a release would be rushed for it to be out this year,
And im sure Axl wouldn't want that

You gotta love the eternal optimism of GNRs holdout fans. Newbies (anyone who's come along in the last five or so years) don't realize how long this has been going on ... how many half baked rumors got taken deadly serious here, thread page counts runnin up to the 100s or beyond. That anyone can still getting excited by unfounded release rumors ... in 2008 .... 9 years after Oh My God ... 7 years after Vegas and "Chinese Democracy Starts Now" ... 6 years after the first tour, the VMAs and "Round One," and the Philly walkout ... 4 years after the second tour ... 2 years after Axl's "by the end of the year" announcement on Eddie Trunk ... to still get excited without anything official from THE RECORD COMPANY .... wow, that is something to behold.  :beer:

how do you stay so ... . optimistic!

Gnr have a new management team that are kicking ass,
Its been reported that negotiations are going well,
it will most likely be agreed to have a best buy exclusive..
shacklers revenge was just released on a game platform.
and now rumours around a november/december 2008 release

and all you can do is talk about the past which has no bearing on whether cd will be out this year or not,
so your point isn't really valid... :hihi:

I talked about the future for a good 15 20 years before I started to notice that the past was telling me something.

These rumours don't mean anything. There have always been rumours and how many times have Rolling Stone or Amazon changed it's release date? They don't know anything more then us.


Still no word from GN'R in regard to a new date so we have no reason to assume it's coming out this year.

The 'retail exclusive rumour' was never confirmed by the band. Maybe they thought about it, maybe not. Who knows?

How many months does it take to promote un upcoming album? If it's more than three, I doubt we'll hear Chinese Democracy this year. If it's just two months we should find out in the next two weeks.

Isn't Shacklers promotion? What else are GN'R getting out of it being on RB2?

I'm still hoping that it will be released for the festive season.

Could just be for the money.  Refer to OMG, and Sympathy for the Devil.  I am holding out belief that we will have Chidem in our hands this year...you have Beta claiming it was turned over, Axl claiming he will share his Dr. Pepper with Buckethead, a new song on RB2, more press than in the past...I mean, the planets are REALLY aligned this time around...I think we would need to see some serious action on the part of Label/Band at least 4 weeks out.  I am disturbed by the lack of ANYTHING from the Band, Label, Press post-RB2 release...especially failure to include SR in post release commercials (I do like the AC/DC spot though)...like I have said before, if it was part of some grand marketing scheme, you would NORMALLY expect it to have kicked off already...thank God we rarely see anything 'normal' from Gn'R!

Or just for fun, like the radio show Axl had on GTA San Andreas.

naa this time it's a band thing. a track off cd. it made its game d?but on xbox a week ago, which
I waited for just 2 months.

be excited but don't really start waiting until you hear it officially, from the band, the label, bestbuy or whatever.

Actually beta didn't say it's turned over did she? I hear she only stated it's done.

And axl said it would take about 8 months for an album to be released after it delivered to a label. He didn?t say how long a proper promotion should take.

Yeah, I might be mixing up her 'everyone knows its done' comment, with the story in the 'press' around April that it was handed in - don't even rem the source...its all blended into one big ball of twine in my head.

Shacklers/RB2 promo started 2 months out (official announcement 7/14)...I would expect that is probably the 'formula' the industry uses...that is why the clock is ticking, in my mind, if Nov is really the date.

Rock band 2 exclusive shacklers debut - sep : slow and study buildup to
one retailer exclusive release -  nov/q4 (to be announced soon?)
general record store release - dec/09 q1

one of possible scenarios. just sayin ;D

No way. Axl appearing on GTA was most likely fun and a nice little paycheck. Shackler's Revenge appearing on this new game is definitely promotion and GN'R business.

I would expect, if this was planned promotion, that they would have immediately put the song on the radio - and possibly their website/myspace - or at the very least, have an RB2 commercial feat. SR...note that AC/DC is feat. on all the ads.

the rolling stone was metioning the november 14th I think back in 2006... so I wouldnt give much thought to that... especially since the article was published days after MSL "anounced" the date... so I think it's a fan started rumour gone wild.

as for the rock band... it's a sign... but the band not commenting on it kinda makes you wonder.
as for the new management and people buying things in december is nothing substantial.

only thing that's substantial evidence is Axl's comment about him drinking Dr Pepper this year... and that was a while back.

to conclude.... I'm hoping for a release this year... but the time is running out. to put it in other terms... "there are only 14 tuesdays left in 2008"... and the calendar is slowly ticking.
it was said that it takes 8 weeks to properly promote the album and release it.... for a november 25th release... this is cutting it awfully close...

for a nov. 25th... that would mean that the promotion would have to start next week ...

we can consider "shacker" as the promotion... if the case... we can expect\hope them to follow up with more in the days to come.

It could be starting tomorrow with Best Buy....................

well... if album released by march.... I'm making a birthday party.... and I'll ask only one thing....  a copy of Chinese democracy.... from each and every of the people invited :) hopefully... that will boost the CD sales a bit :)

It 'could'?  Do you have any info that it will?

I would say that putting a new unreleased song in a game is a bit different than what Axl did with the GTA game....

 :)



/jarmo

Could the global economic turmoil be another reason for the album release to be pushed back yet again? If people are spending less on luxuries it could have an effect on sales. I also think it will be a very poor xmas season sales for retaillers this year.

On the on the other hand, mabye more people would be happy to splash out on simple gifts like music and dvds as oppose to more expensive indulgences, pushing the sales figures up.

On a slightly different note but still an interesting read, considering some GN'R issues:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/DN-moviesdates_0829gl.ART.State.Edition1.4ddeeae.html

The latest Harry Potter film release got pushed back a full year just because Warner Bros decided they needed one more big film next summer.
It just shows how much making as much money as possible governs decisions.

Shackler's Revenge is a major promotion.  In almost every article about RB2...everyone mentions that the new unreleased song from the upcoming Chinese Democracy.  It's mountains of free publicity.  Also, the band has confirmed that Shackler's will be on the new album. 

This is the first official legit release that is directly linked to Chinese Democracy of any kind.  This is huge.

Don't forget that part of the deal with RB is that they have "exclusive" rights to the song for a specific period of time...meaning "probably" the band/label can't release it in other formats just yet.  And on top of that, RB is exclusive to xbox right now.  I would assume that this "exclusive" deal is for about a month until the other platforms get the game.  Once that happens, then we will hear more.

BTW...

Can anyone explain how over the past decade the same people have been bitching for GNR to release some new material...then when they finally do...these people keep bitching?

^^^

the band technically have not "released" material. They have lended a song to a video game which has exclusivity.....its not "general release".

the whiners as you call them, would be happy with an i tunes single imo. Not because of quality etc, but because it would herarld the start of CD, the fans would have a single, artwork etc. it would be means the release would mena the release is round the corner.........thats still seems a long way off for some folks

how is Rock Band not an official release? 
Most bands don't sell as many copies of their album...as Rock Band sells of their games.

yeah, it's more like what GNR did with OMG  ;)

Nice try.

Shackler's Revenge will be on the album. No word on Oh My God..



/jarmo

If Jarmo is allowing this to be discussed, it gives me confidence CD is close to being released.


With Metallica doing huge numbers and ACDC releasing an album. Its the perfect time for a rock legend like Axl to follow suit.
The market is ready for this music.

whine happy aren't they?
the same people never appreciate new materials. wonder what they are waiting for.

I don't see how they could possibly think waiting to release it later would help sales. Its' been 15 years, waiting is the last thing that will help. GNR fans are gonna buy it when it comes out. I don't think money will be an issue for most people waiting for the CD to come out. We've had 15 years to save $15. I think GNR and Metallica are completely different situations. Metallica hasn't made a great album in 15 years, GNR hasn't made one in that time period. Metallica has never really left the spotlight. I think the curiosity factor and the GNR loyalists are what will drive the sales of CD. Metallica's fans forgave them after that trainwreck st. anger, and bought the new album. GNR hasnt put out a bad album yet. I think Shackler's revenge has the potential to make new fans, but it's also exactly the type of song that'll scare old fans off. I think for the most part, people have made up their minds wether they will buy the CD or not.

non diehards are apt to change their minds.
Sorry but those casual music fans and new fans that will like and buy cd will hugely outnumber GNR loyalists.

You maybe right. I think just about all my friends at least like some GNR, and a ton of them love the old stuff. None of them are excited for the new stuff besides my younger brother, and he's a cheapskate, so I'll probably have to buy him his copy.

make Christmas pressies of cd to all of them .  :P

not to brag or anything but .... nana-nana-nana  :P

where the fuck is ppbebe?!  :-\

I'm did actually notice an abscence from her/he in the intial frenzy but I noticed jimbob was quiet too, both them were posting regular for months beforehand, then I noticed jimbob returned.  She/ he (can never tells if its a dude) might well just be without an internet connection, have more important things to do, or just be indisposed. I'm sure its nothing bad, mabye he/she heard the single and thought "oh fuck this shit!"

So can places like Australia that dont have a best buy store get more than 1 edition of CD?? Id love to get a special ed of CD too??

I've been here.   I was just using different screennames.

To be fair, it wasn't that hard to guess a release date in Nov. Its like giving MSL props when all he did was venting a probable release date.

I sent an email a week ago. No answer yet.  :(

well msl said he got that info from 1 of the gnr mangers

...he's still a liar! ;)

Maybe he/she likes having 7777 posts.

I'll send the signal.